Cut to the Chase Already!! | SPIES ARE FOREVER Act 2 Part 6

[@lisettegold7040]

No Joey, Lauren actually invented fire.

[@viamacnab8435]

I WISH I COULD LIKE THIS A BILLION TIMES! I'M DYING! 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@chantelmoncur426]

I WAS THINKING THIS TOOOOOOOOOOO

[@irisestern8806]

Actually, it came from Chorn, didn't it?

[@cadenerfvlogs2406]

No it Was Chooooorn

[@redacted5078]

All these references...

[@starzgoblu]

Well...that's one hell of a break up

[@vividly_valeska5738]

Tanya Charan yup lol

[@vividly_valeska5738]

Cassie's Creations I’m sry

[@adamdao4826]

Top ten most dramatic break ups

[@kiki8792]

Welcome back to Mrs. Mojo, today were counting down the Top Ten Worst Break Ups of All Time

[@kaylat514]

All of this because of a banana peel....

[@janedoe6866]

Robbie Rotten may have been the inspiration.

[@violetmenace6245]

This 👏 is 👏 why 👏 you 👏 never 👏 litter 👏

[@TheWeeklyFangirl]

* sniff * 😢 It all could've been avoided...if Curt hadn't been a damn slob!😭

[@starsscapes]

@@Sara-dx4ms okay, i will make sure not to leave my loose children lying around. commas are important, buddy.

[@loltadynicneni913]

This whole muscial was basically a reason why you shouldn't litter. Tell this story to kids when they ask you, why.

[@bluepinwheeldin]

how to establish and kill an otp in one scene 101

[@loltadynicneni913]

I won't ever get over this

[@seignee]

@@loltadynicneni913 same I think im going to die of heartbreak

[@sahayeda5220]

ikr

[@pigurl3.145]

That's what fanfiction is for.

[@cf-tk4vg]

Is it bad that even in the end I still really shipped them 🙈

[@msunitedstatesjames]

Little details I love about this perfect scene: -How Curt somehow manages to make the words, "Sounds boring," sound super emotional. -How Owen subtly starts to lower his gun when Curt talks about their past together, but then you can see the moment he remembers Curt leaving him and he raises it again. -The way Owen says, "What are you doing?"

[@aoife8977]

If I can add? Curt's line "after all those years" really makes it sound like he's thinking back on all the heartache and grief he felt after Owen died, just kinda reinforces that level of disbelief and joy that kinda just seems to be replaced by anger by the end. God it's just so good and I just can't.

[@James-hr3yh]

When Owen lowers the gun he points it at Curt's heart, and when he raises it again he points it at Curt's head, showing he's put their past and emotions behind him and is focussing logically on the situation again. GOD I love this show!

[@sophiisherman7463]

Also how tenderly Owen says “you’ll do your best”

[@lunaflammata8365]

@@aoife8977 Also how Curt's hands were litteraly shaking when he aimed the gun at Owen the first time.

[@bisexualbestie4351]

“you know you broke my heart.”

[@francabanillas813]

Sooo, in act 1 part 3, the deadliest man alive was actually played by owen, who was played by Joey ritcher, the same actor who plays the bomb seller, so then that scene would be Joey sells a bomb to Joey disguised as Joe

[@poisonghoul]

precisely.

[@AngelofMusic04]

It's a Joe-ception.

[@croissant632]

I think about this all the time

[@Cosmic_Mj]

The real question is « Y »

[@trickytreyperfected1482]

@@croissant632 No you don't

[@Sydneyismuwah]

When Joey sings the Spies are Forever Reprise it's almost like a lullaby, absolutely breathtaking. That whole ending scene was just beautiful, they did such an amazing job.

[@birdbird8364]

And Curt's FACE then??? Like you can just SEE his heart breaking

[@maximuskuenning6395]

Elin Taylor ITS SO GODAMN BAD I CANT WATCH WITHOUT CRYING

[@weirdhuman1703]

I SOB EVERYTIME

[@lozisimmortal]

The smoke makes the whole scene look kind of ethereal as well. It's really nice

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

@@lozisimmortal Added to the fact that his face is shadowed due to him looking down and it makes him look evil

[@wovendreams5207]

This killed me more than it killed Owen

[@babblegabblegamer5842]

wovendreams 2 soon 😂

[@birdbird8364]

Damn it how dare you I'm crying

[@bee458]

How dare you

[@Ra1neeee]

oh no

[@beatricefox937]

This comment killed me again/lh

[@ReanniexXx]

I swear the Curt/Owen scene means as much to me now as it did when I first watched it, it's just as wonderful and unexpected, especially for the genre and time period. The first time I saw it I physically screamed and it still spikes my heart rate. Thank you so much Tin Can Bros for this. I adore the way the relationship reveal was handled, not as a cheap joke or as something shocking, but as something that enriches the character and motivations. It may seem like a small thing for this musical to have, but it's so rarely done, and then done well. If you want to make a sequel I'm already throwing all my money at it.

[@curtmega]

This comment really means a whole lot. I am so glad you took that away from this. I know we really wanted to keep it grounded and honest and real and honor the characters and relationship. All the props to TCB for writing such strong characters and scenes that reveal character through real intention and emotion. So cool to get to do this scene every night.

[@forevertommyqsgirl]

I agree that the relationship was handled beautifully. I actually went back and rewatched a couple of the parts after I saw reveal. And the small ways that you guys set it up were amazing.

[@DoeiDenise]

Reanne this!

[@ReanniexXx]

Man, a year later and I'm still having heart palpitations over this. For a silly comedy about spies the ending sure is brutal. Will I ever get over this scene? Tune in next year to find out.

[@lhdr_]

@@ReanniexXx So did you?

[@kyliekeller2147]

"youre a caveman, and i just invented fire" ZAZZALIL IS THAT YOU

[@bellatrixlestrange3212]

Recarnated Zazzalil!

[@katieanne4052]

Bro I think this is the line that inspired Firebringer lol

[@idontevenknowwhy3655]

Damn zaz

[@laurenherb3899]

No that’s clearly Grunt, duh

[@burhanuddinmaskawala187]

FIREBRINGER FIREBRINGER FIREBRINGER FIREBRINGER

[@Crazyaboutthemc]

The thing I love about this scene is the contrast between the rest of the show and it's comedy, and then the raw emotion shown through Curt and Owen's relationship in this scene. It honestly gave me chills especially in the last few minutes, especially seeing that the Owen that Curt knew did indeed die that night hit me hard.

[@hanzios]

well you know what they say, you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

[@abbyizes]

Han Wentz did he do both?

[@maggieeverman9913]

Ow my heart

[@AngelofMusic04]

@@abbyizes Technically, he did. He "died" spying on an adversarial government power and lived to see the monster in himself when left broken by the man he gave everything to.

[@MoonyFBM]

and then you have Owen who did both

[@webby9044]

Or you do both

[@barbaro267]

Joey as a bad guy is GOLD! Get on it, Starkid!

[@spottedwillowwh8725]

Estelle Frugoli yeah, but he also pretty much played every other character. And McDoon wasn't a very good villain bad guy wise

[@mirrorballmaria]

THE BANDIT KING *slowly moves 2 fingers in front of eyes*

[@wriggleby]

@@mirrorballmaria👀✌️ Okay it doesn't really work

[@shalev.]

You are forgetting gems like "YOUR WAGON IS ON FIREEEE" and "There are no more creeps. there are no more heroes. There are just people who are alive and people who are FUCKING DEAD"

[@ameliataylor4012]

I’m McDoon and I make the ladies McSwoon

[@nashtags6791]

When I first watched this I was super confused as to why Curt kept referring to Owen as his partner even though they never worked for the same agency. And then I saw this and the fucking stars aligned. Curt's early retirement, when his mom said he only brought home "drinking buddies" and she never knew what they did in the other room, what Tatiana meant by 'so you're into?' after their kiss in their duet. I also love how it isn't a plot twist but rather a final piece of the puzzle that they were building up to! goddamn well freaking done TCB!!!

[@jana7359]

Also Owen called Curt love in the first (I think it was first) scene of the first act

[@hamartiarobins8268]

@@jana7359 and the whole where doyou get off thing in the first scene

[@radxianixe]

@@jana7359 yes, but he also called cynthia "love" as well, so it's way more hidden. there's still that whole thing about curt being jealous, though. also, owen being british kind of makes us think he just calls people "love" 🤔 him as the dma also called a lot of people "love" every once in a while.

[@catiemei15]

Chris Meyer the way “‘how’d you know i’m ticklish behind the ear’ ‘personal history’ ” hits after you realize they were more than friends

[@annaward5486]

_The best plot twists aren't the ones that we didn't see coming, they're the ones that we kick ourselves over for not seeing them coming, and see how obvious it is once we know_

[@taylorsampson3702]

CAN'T YOU PEOPLE MAKE A CLIMAX THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME WANT TO HURL MYSELF OFF OF THE NEAREST CLIFF?!

[@curtmega]

THIS IS MY FAVORITE SCENE

[@ZainR]

You and Joey were phenomenal! To be honest, this to me is your best moment by far and the musical isn't even over yet.

[@lj10952]

Congrats on your amazing performance! Loving the show!!

[@chiarabowker6886]

+Lexie J I cried the first time I watched this (I have the digital download)

[@oliviahaglund8978]

MINE TOO UGH IT'S SO PERFECT AND HEARTBREAKING

[@Anacchi]

I've re-watched it a few times now. Such great performances from both of you. It felt real and it tugged at my heartstrings - can't exactly put it into words, but having scenes like this, of real intensity and drama within the comedy is so affecting.

[@brittanythompson580]

When Owen said " once a spy always a spy forever. Whatever" I got CHILLS!

[@oliviahaglund8978]

SAME

[@char124eve]

Joey's singing though!!! He's so good!!!!!!

[@kl-1447]

charlotte t. go back and listen to his first, which most (most being starkids) consider Granger Danger, listen to his improvement through a lot of their shows and then to this. He's improved so much, it is amazing

[@adamwise1111]

Wow. I didn't think Curt would actually do it. I love that he did, though, because it was unexpected and really shows his character development. It would have been so easy to just have a "you wouldn't kill me" "you're right I wouldn't" moment, but this means so much more. It means that he's no longer tied to the past. Not only is he no longer hung up on Owen, but he's no longer hung up on the spy he used to be. That was the main thing holding him back throughout the show, and this is where he decides to move on. He's finally letting himself move on and become a better spy than he ever was. What a twist. I love it.

[@meraarts8136]

Okay, so I see where you’re coming from, but I see it as the opposite. The old Curt was a pretentious prick that didn’t care for life. For example, the old Curt would have killed the bomb merchant, because criminal is criminal right? But the new Curt let him go, because he sees that the merchant wasn’t completely evil. By seeing Owen die, he learned what even impact death can have and that the people that were killed in the explosion of the first seen, were people with families. They mattered. It would be more character development if he had locked him up for life instead.

[@caraghscorner]

Just because it’s a cool metaphor doesn’t mean it’s any easier on my feelings!

[@maximuskuenning6395]

MJ Wise ok but Imagine they did the “you wouldn’t kill me” and Tatiana snuck up behind Owen and put a gun to his head and Curt said “yes I would”

[@lordbaphie]

@@meraarts8136 I don't think the jail ending would work for Owen, because 1. He'll probably escape easily because of his skills and 2. There's no hope for him. Curt tried. He tried to convince Owen to give up on Chimera but he lashed out. This moment made Curt realize that Owen is not the same man anymore. Sergio just sold bombs for his family, but Owen killed many people since his fake death. And he started to like doing it, with no remorse. He became a psychopath that's hell bent on revenge. So there's really no choice, and this is the better ending.

[@meraarts8136]

Chamily Vasquez-Mendez I know there is no hope for Owen. I just think it would be a good development for Curt’s character.

[@TheIslingtonAngel]

ALL HAIL OWEN THE FIREBRINGER

[@sophiesometimessews]

TheIslingtonAngel firebringer! Firebringer!

[@ColePenner]

How come the Firebringers always end up being gays 🧐

[@valentine8409]

or maybe fireshitter... or tigerfucker.

[@AngelofMusic04]

@@ColePenner Because, to make an abysmal joke, it's the flames.

[@michaeloconnor5904]

@@sophiesometimessews I AM NOT A FIREBRINGER!!!!

[@kittybax5450]

The title should really be "Curt to the Chase Already"

[@redacted5078]

kitty bax oh my god

[@risipieces]

the yelling of *”WE’RE DONE” “WE’RE THROUGH!”* implies that they just broke up right then. owen has been fake dead for four years and has been trying to kill curt for like a week? yeah but *NOW* its over. disaster gays

[@flamingkitten1]

Disaster gays is such a good term for these two. Owen literally became the most deadly assassin and Curr went off the deep end all over losing each other .

[@narniadici1976]

LMAO I LOVE THEM

[@juliemorell5712]

me: but maybe he's not dead i mean he survived once before right my brain: he was literally shot in the head me: my brain: me: me: BUT MAYBE HE'S NOT DEAD

[@chiarabowker6886]

Others have survived before....

[@oliviahaglund8978]

+Chiara Bowker if you're talking about Moriarty.....

[@chiarabowker6886]

+Olivia Cossette possibly....

[@left8277]

Choose one to survive: Owen or Moriarty!

[@Koarami]

+ParaMC Sam how can you ask people to choose ?? 😂

[@lamarlatrell5045]

You know the acting character exercise where you decide something the character wants but never articulates? Owen wants curt to join him. He tells him everything. All the details, what the future is because he wants him to come with him. And he’s heartbroken that curt doesn’t choose him.

[@KTr0ck]

i strongly agree. as much as owen hates curt, why else would he bother trying so hard to convince him? why use words at all if his only goal was really just revenge? and why didn't he disarm curt when he was being targeted at point blank range, something we know he's capable of, unless it's because he was struck by the futility of it all (oh curt mega, you're going to be the death of me)? or maybe he was testing curt one final time, hoping curt would have a change of heart at the last moment or chicken out like he did before

[@soontobedeleted942]

So, yeah, this is sad but when you think about the implications it's even sadder. The story was set between the 1950's, during the lavender scare. If someone found out about Curt and Owen's relationship they could've gotten fired, neglected, murdered, etc. When Curt says, "Some secrets aren't yours to share", he's probably refering to the thousands of citizens whose lifes could've been ruined by Owen's vigilance system, or maybe even to the two of them. Owen and Curt's relationship was secret for a reason. Conclusion: I'm not sure if this makes sense but when you're a history nerd and watch musicals set in the past you are risking your sanity by connecting the dots between the time parallels.

[@sienahyde876]

“OH GOD PAUL!! I DIDNT THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS!”

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

I don’t know if you already saw it or not but someone created a video about the historical implications of Spies Are Forever. They basically said similar things you did

[@bethisjolly8537]

for the sequel i really hope Tatiana spends the whole playing wingman to Curt and a british spy played by richter

[@meg4322]

Maybe but Tati also needs a lady love interest (preferably one that makes her flustered an stuff cuz she's always so confident and self-assured)

[@J4yMightWin]

Meg Conquest Wouldn’t it be cool if that girl was Barb.

[@meg4322]

@@J4yMightWin YESSSSS I really ship them

[@lilly-b874]

I just want Owen back

[@J4yMightWin]

Lilly-B Same

[@valdoxtheunmerciful]

the warmest hello to the coldest goodbye...

[@absolutegod456]

REMEMBER

[@Halbed_Lemons]

@@absolutegod456 I remember...

[@nosuchthingasgoodcows7003]

@@Halbed_Lemons spies never die

[@camillechauve1352]

@@nosuchthingasgoodcows7003 spies are forever

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

Two things about the stair scene that I love 1. Look at the way they are positioned. Curt is metaphorically and literally looking up to Owen. Judging by their first scene together, it severely implied that Owen complements Curt in being a spy. Every crack in Curt’s skill is filled by Owen. If everyone looks up to Curt, Curt looks up to Owen, even now. By contrast, Owen is metaphorically and literally looking down at Curt. He thinks he’s above everyone, including the man he once loved. 2. The lighting. Curt’s lighting shines on his face, looking up, and his face is clearly seen. In contrast to Owen, who is looking down, his face shadowed and partly obscured by smoke. I think Owen’s lighting probably meant that he is not the same person Curt looked up to, like he is now this dark person. I am probably overthinking this but the stair scene has been stuck in my head for far too long and I need to let some feels out.

[@briannahenshaw5928]

Joey's "I'm sorry my old friend" gets me every time. why am I so emotionally invested in this

[@DoeiDenise]

an office chair based chase scene, the tin can brothers are brilliant. The entire stage decor is so well put together!

[@HHSDaily]

Motorcycles**

[@weirdhuman1703]

Jaime Heck touché

[@finn8460]

I know everyone's making jokes about Joey saying "You're a caveman, and I've just invented fire." but. That line. Is really very powerful. You can see the look on Curt's face when, in that moment, he knows the man he loved is truly gone. And the nonchalance, the /arrogance/ that Joey has in that line, the soft finality of "and I've invented fire". That rends my heart.

[@Vekcrazah]

The thing is, Owen is still there. He's sharing the fire with Curt. But Curt truly believes in his cause, moreso than he believes in Owen.

[@emkaysmiles]

DAMN BOYS

[@curtmega]

:D

[@ZainR]

Right?!

[@lj10952]

GAAH SO MANY FEELS

[@Ampersandinmyeye]

And they call this musical a comedy.....

[@theliteraryspinster]

My newfound obsession with this musical is probably unhealthy, but I can't find it in myself to regret it.

[@hannahlabs4625]

When Owen says to Curt “I am going to singlehandely dismantle everything you’ve ever believed in,” and his voices get emotional and almost broken at the end. This is his revenge, destroying everything Curt believes in. Because when Curt thought he died and left him, he destroyed everything Owen believed in. Owen believed in their partnership, their love for one another, that they would never let each other down. In his eyes, being left to die completely broke everything he believed in, because everything was Curt. In this essay I will-

[@amberwasatomic]

i need Joey to play the bad guy/vigilante more often

[@ADragonAmongRoses]

Wish granted, and the result was glorious.

[@michaeloconnor5904]

Uncle Wiley says hello.

[@bradleydaphne1]

why does Joey always get the best villain songs I mean remember when he was the bandit king

[@kl-1447]

Bradley Spandley the Bandit King **does sideways peace sign in front of eyes**

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

*Made In America says hello*

[@paigestubbs9718]

The bandit king ✌️

[@hannahbarch4695]

Ok but during Owen’s reprise the line “remember....I remember.... Spies never die” I can’t help but think he’s referencing the time he spent lying on that cold warehouse floor, in agonizing pain, wishing he would just die already so it would be over. So the pain, not just from the fall but from knowing his partner, his lover, abandoned him, would end. I can’t help but wonder how long he laid there before someone found him thinking “this is it. This is the end.” But it just never came. Because Spies Never Die. Please help me I have a lot of emotions about this.

[@camillechauve1352]

Don't do this to me

[@akkadia_6605]

He would obviously be reminded of it because THEY'RE IN THE SAME PLACE THEY STARTED

[@Omnipotentpigin]

No and when he was torturing curt in disguise "you'll realise the pain of staying alive"

[@akkadia_6605]

@@Omnipotentpigin No... You may be thinking of "I'll show you the horror of staying alive"

[@ceruleanku]

Guys, if you keep putting in LGBT elements in your work, I will buy everything you sell. This is the representation we need. Thank you!!

[@charlottehhbays]

I think this is one of the best parts because of the amount of emotion in this scene. Like seriously wow. (Also wishing the reprise was on the soundtrack)

[@LesBugsDeGue]

Is Joey became a better singer? I mean he was good before but I feel like is even more great now.

[@MiniTalkin11]

He's improved a loooot since AVPM and MAMD.

[@headofathousandsheepswool]

He's come one hell of a way, yes.

[@plutopepsi578]

Pure poetry: Owen always sings before Curt. He’s literally one step ahead.

[@ellenrose101]

My jaw actually dropped at the end, i don't think I've ever been this emotionally invested in something jfc

[@ainsleydavis2922]

Saaaaaaammmmeeee I just kinda stared for a while after.

[@yessiel.6581]

JOEY SINGING THAT REPRISE IS NOT OKAY... WHY??????? 😭😭😭😭

[@LvndrHppE2]

2:06 Now kiss.

[@butterfly_brain]

Erica Soto I don’t think you know how long it took for me to find this comment, but yes I agree

[@ayoutubechannel8540]

Yes

[@archimedesjericho6900]

THE WAY THEY SING INTO EACHOTHER'S MICS 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽

[@potatosaurrawr3628]

MY HEART FEELS LIKE ITS BEEN THROWN INTO A WALL A MILLION TIMES IM NOT CRYING YOU ARE

[@Electricmayhemmd]

I was going to comment something like this but... honestly I don't think I can top this.

[@annaelizabeth9706]

potatosaur rawr SAME

[@breadcrumbhoarder]

When Curt brings up their feelings for each other, Owen lowers the gun from his brain to his heart, and when he says those feelings died he immediately puts the gun back up to Curt’s head. I like to think it shows Owens own battle between heart and mind

[@toontownrules413]

I could go on a full positive rant about how good this scene is. It's... just so god damn phenomenal. Like, the smoke obscuring Owen's face? Owen has changed since the beginning, he isn't the same person that he was at the start. Our vision of him, as well as Curt's, is obscured because Curt literally has no idea who he is anymore. The Owen he had known died. (so in a way you can also interpret it as seeing Owen's ghost) And Joey and Curt's acting! Holy shit! They did such a good job in this. They deserve tonys just for this scene

[@radxianixe]

The smoke is one of my absolute favorite things!! Also, yes! They're fantastic actors, I wish one day they'd get way more recognition. (I know Curt's been on TV and Joey's been in quite a few stuff, but still. They still don't get enough recognition, neither did this musical itself. I hope more people find out about it, especially because they're doing a concert at 54 below!)

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

I know I’m 3 years late to this comment but I just want to add the positioning and the lighting of this scene. Curt is looking up to him and his face is clearly seen. It’s like an allegory of how he’s finally seeing things with a clear head. It’s also a clever way of showing how he “looked up” to Owen. If everyone looked up to the famous spy Curt Mega, Curt Mega looked up to Owen. Every crack in his skills was complemented by Owen In contrast, Owen is looking down at him. Because of Chimera, he believes he’s above everyone, including the man he once loved. His face is obscured by smoke and the shadow, like Curt doesn’t recognized him anymore.

[@toontownrules413]

@@ezelfrancisco1349 THE WAY THEY SHOT THE SCENE IS JUST SO GOOOOOOD

[@KTr0ck]

"you know, killing me wont take the system offline so... what are you doing?" THE MAN DIDNT WANNA DIE BUT HE WAS TOO PRIDEFUL TO OUTRIGHT BEG he was DISARMED and making ABSOLUTELY NO MOVE to retaliate or escape despite being skilled enough to have killed 1153 people as easily as breathing sorry ive probably harped on about this scene like 5 other times just in this comment section alone but it just.... kills. me. absolutely devastates me. how much tragedy there is to examine in a single scene, that then spreads through all the other scenes like fractures in glass owen didnt wanna die so hard that he survived falling down a stair shaft or whatever the hell he fell off of- we dont even KNOW how. luck. sheer willpower. hate-eating curt's banana peel for energy i dont fucken know. he doesnt wanna die so hard that he tries to break curt's spirit/desire to fight back with scorching insults, everything he's wanted to say to curt pent up for four years and then weaponized. he doesnt wanna die so hard that (even though he's proved himself the more capable one) after one emotional exchange he slips up (AGAIN) and loses the upper hand and immediately tries to reason his way out of it even though he has more effective methods of regaining his power here AS WEVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED its like..... its not trust that he has in curt at this point, i think thats easy to say. he doesnt TRUST curt not to shoot him, but. does he EXPECT curt not to shoot him?? does he HOPE that curt wont shoot him??? this fucking scene haunts me its so beautiful but its also so............... *much*

[@birdbird8364]

Oh Jesus why did you have to point out how many people Owen has killed?? Surely he could have killed curt so easily, even without his gun and yet....

[@radxianixe]

@@birdbird8364 i seriously think he hasn't moved on either. the pain in his voice at that last scene?? curt and joey made my heart break there. you're right, he could've killed curt easily, especially when curt was vulnerable. he killed the informant with no problem whatsoever. no hesitation, no nothing. just shot him with an exact aim. and yet, he stalled for such a long time with curt. the main comment's probably right, that he wanted to let out all the pent up anger he had and what he's wanted to say for four years. the subtext in everything makes this so beautiful, but also so heartbreaking. T^T

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

I’m sorry, your comment is just too funny with the line “hate-eating Curt’s banana peel for energy”. But you’re right. IDK how Joey manage to make this scene more tragic than it already is, but you put it into words

[@akkadia_6605]

My theory is, Owen expected Curt to be a massive emotional wreck so gambled on him not being able to kill him. But because of Tati and the others he now no longed needed to be sad over Owen. And @M C, I think Owen enjoys messing with Curt he enjoys pretending to be someone else to get revenge, otherwise he would've just shot Curt in the torture tango scene

[@josh___something]

@@radxianixe I think I agree with some of the other folks here, as much as Owen is saying to get over it, he clearly hasn't. Torturing Mega instead of just killing him; laying it on *_THICK_* with the whole reveal in the scene prior, toying with Curt and goading him to make a choice: Saving the world... or him; and him basically telling Curt the whole plan with the whole surveillance network where I honestly thought Owen's whole "A world without spies..." was gonna end with Owen asking Curt to join him.

[@threeleggedcat]

Honestly I discovered this show yesterday, and have already watched the whole thing twice, plus this scene a third time just now. It is honestly already become a favourite of mine. I have in fact never seen a relationship like this been done so well before, it is blatant, but yet so clearly there when you really watch the show. I have become quite good at reading subtext through time and already in the first scene I thought it seemed as though there was something more, but I never in the world thought that would actually happen, it rarely ever does. So I just sort of pushed it away and put it in the back of my mind. I thought for the longest time it wouldn't happen and that it would all end cliche, with Curt ending up with Tatiana. It wasn't until "I guess we're doing this" that I truly started believing that what I thought I saw in the beginning was actually there, and my heart honestly skipped a beat in that moment because it meant so much to me. I have never seen this done in any way like this before and it's honestly so beautifully and well written. The whole confession is itself is so outside of what's typical and I am so glad this exists because it shows how an original story should really be done.

[@threeleggedcat]

unintentionally long, whoops

[@chloeclover4223]

I just finished it at 5 this morning and since then it’s taken my whole life over and I’ve cried 13 separate times and recommended it to 3 people

[@akkadia_6605]

I agree with the doing this bit. My first thought when it came to that scene was "welp it was fun while it lasted". But thEn nO

[@lianaalmeida6289]

this seems like such a Captain America and Bucky situation

[@sophiisherman7463]

Liana Almeida except TCB aren’t cowards

[@pug567]

curt and joey's acting in the scene (and the rest of the musical) is amazing like I get shivers everytime when curt says the whole "the feelings we had for each other" it is executed so well and just is sooooooo amazing and when joey says "the secret died..." just all the feels

[@lucywalker4545]

I literally thought they were going to kiss, I'm shipping Curwen to the death

[@andtuf]

.....literally.

[@Isaac-3]

SHUT UP :)

[@nerdygirlrule]

SAME

[@theresaperson8923]

Alexandra K that passive aggressive smile

[@meg4322]

@Laura Rippon well it wasn't really abusive, was it? They were perfectly healthy, until the whole banana peel thing

[@doop5425]

Ok, so I don't know of anyone has pointed these things out before but here I go. In "Spies Are Forever" the lyrics are "Once a spy, always a spy, forever, forever." Owen dies, but he doesn't actually die. Because, "spies never die, spies are forever." However, in Curt and Owens final scene, Owen sings, "Once a spy, always a spy, forever...whatever." (btw an underrated moment and one of the best lyrics in the Starkid/TCB history) The "whatever" is really important. Owens not really a spy anymore, he doesn't have an agency, and at the end of the scene he dies for good, he's no longer "forever". He doesn't really care anymore. And another thing. "The warmest hello, to the coldest goodbye". In the first part of act one, when we first meet Curt and Owen, the lighting has more of a warm feel to it, "the warmest hello". They are meeting again as friends and (as we learn) lovers. In this final scene, the lighting is very cold feeling as it is "the coldest goodbye", and they end as enemies and ex-lovers. Just something I noticed. Basically every lyric of "Spies Are Forever" has a foreshadowing factor, which is why it is one of the greatest opening songs I have ever heard.

[@janeparis3579]

When he said "Som secrets aren't yours to share" i froze. When he said "For eachother" i physically shook. When he lowered the gun i cried. When he pulled the trigger i screamed. What is this musical doing to me?

[@BeththeNerdy]

I was already in love with this musical, but this part absolutely blew me away. The acting is just phenomenal. There are legitimately tears in my eyes. Well done.

[@jessb1610]

I love Joeys British accent. It's not exaggerated and it's actually realistic

[@rosedapple7754]

“That secret died the night you left me for dead” just omg he’s all choked up...

[@feelingbookish1533]

Watching for the third time after scrolling through the Spies Are Forever tumblr tag. This musical has taken over my life

[@curtmega]

YES

[@meraarts8136]

Are you psychic I was doing that exactly

[@birdbird8364]

Wow big mood

[@jaynaneeya]

I've counted 3 Sound of Music references in this musical and I can't decide which is my favorite

[@reptilected4097]

That was so beautifully done. Never have I seen an LGBTQ relationship in a musical represented so flawlessly and perfectly. Wow.

[@theDoctorPotterfan16]

This just punched me right in the gut. The raw honesty in the scene between Owen and Curt is just heartbreaking to watch. No need for comedy, just intensity that you cannot get anywhere better than the theatre and it's an incredible thing that it's translated to KZbin as that doesn't always happen (speaking as a theatremaker who has put stuff onto video and seen it back). TCB have really outshone themselves here, a climax to a show that has gone from strength to strength since the first part. And the first scene was incredible to start off with.

[@Ampersandinmyeye]

“You a caveman and i’ve Invented fire” I didn’t realize Owen was Zaazalil.....

[@hannahfrancis1455]

was that on purpose, "your a caveman and ive invented fire" sounds like firebringer

[@imsilyeah]

That's what I thought too!

[@hannahfrancis1455]

im guessing it was so I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE VERY CLEVER

[@tincanbros]

+Hannah Francis it wasn't. This line was written almost a year ago

[@hannahfrancis1455]

+The Tin Can Brothers well it works very well u could have taken some credit for it 😂

[@wanupgirl]

i just thought the same thing.

[@zephyranthes6101]

Curt shooting Owen was the Coldest Goodbye. He looked him right in the eyes. Can't get much colder than that

[@AnEmu404]

I love how Curt is handled in this musical, even though it’s never directly said (which is realistic for the time period) that he had feelings for Owen. Lines like “You know you broke my heart” really make sense considering how long Curt grieved and had a 4 year retirement.

[@mylahobbit1815]

2:04 the choreography.... having them clash, pressing against each other, faces close, right on the "vu" in "deja vu", since when you say "vu" your lips naturally make a kissing motion, making it look almost like they're about to kiss, and of course they're having deja vu about that because *they've kissed before*, which is about to be confirmed in the following (devastating) scene. this is what elevates this show from great to impeccable.

[@kl-1447]

Lauren did an amazing job on the choreography

[@mar-rv2qb]

I will always appreciate how curt and owen play into certain romantic tropes and are in many ways treated like any straight couple yet at the same time they aren't immune to the realities of gay men in the 50s and 60s and the show recognizes that along with the circumstances of the story (being spies and all)

[@ZainR]

I got chills from listening to Joey sing

[@shawndougherty6056]

“What about the others” has the same energy as “two doors not one”

[@mylahobbit1815]

the fucking care and attention put into this scene is beautiful. and no im not talking about the office-chair motorcycles, i'm talking about the slowly curling smoke turning Owen into a literal ghost, the lighting keeping owen in the dark and curt in the light, about how owen has the literal (on the stairs) high ground, about the subtle shift of power between the two from the second 'what about our secret' leaves curts lips. Before that, joey keeps his eyes calculating and cold, but as soon as he says that, you can see a slight drop in the facade. Owen hasn't shown any real emotion up until this point besides anger/frustration, but when curt mentions their relationship, you can see the uncertainty, you hear the waver in his voice at his next line. And when Curt shoots the gun out of his hands, Owen is shaking, basically asks curt not to kill him, but when kills him, he steps up to the stair just below him, and now his face is as certain as Owen's was because he's finally won.

[@Ampersandinmyeye]

“You know you broke my heart” oh Curt ❤️

[@hemmelgarndesigns]

I was having a perfectly fine day, and now I'm sad and I may or may not be crying💔

[@dbyron3824]

I just keep replaying 6:50 - 7:12 over and over again. His vocals are so beautiful

[@bjpe8228]

Curt's face during Owen's Reprise is breaking my heart

[@becca287]

Joeys acting and accent, especially when he’s shouting, spot on.

[@geschiedenisfan]

Joey's voice is truly amazing here!! And all acting in on point!! I LOVE this musical!!

[@misscakerbaker9153]

oh my god, so at 7:18 Owen laughs after singing “Spies never die” which could be for multiple reasons but here are some random ones for you and just some thoughts about it: 1. He knows that Curt followed this as well as many other spies, so when Owen “died” it broke Curt and caused him pain. But then Owen came back, so truly spies never die... Then again, he’s holding Curt at gunpoint so he could also be laughing at the fact that he’s about to kill a spy, proving the saying false. 2. At this point... is Owen even a spy? He’s working for Chimera but he even says to Curt that once Chimera have achieved their goal, there will be no agencies or spies. We can most likely assume though, that Chimera would remain to control silently from the shadows. This highlights how Owen is no longer a spy so the phrase “spies never die” no longer applies to him. Now this is seriously digging deep, so if you’ve given up at this point then fair enough loves. 3. At 7:55 (around 7:35 for Curt’s bit), Owen’s voice trembles when he says that his and Curt’s secret “died the night [Curt] left [him] for dead”. Yes, this shows how hurt Owen was by the event (as he would be!) but it also reveals that he’s not gotten over it and that he can’t bring himself to kill Curt. Just think, Owen had plenty of times during their conversation here to end it whenever; but he never does. Instead he keeps talking, and yes he does like having the final word and often having a quip here and there, but he said plenty with Curt. For example “You’re a caveman, and I’ve discovered fire.” We saw earlier how he shot Susan straight after telling Tatiana that Curt’s partners don’t last long, but here Owen just doesn’t do anything. So the obvious thing here is “Owen still has some deep, hidden feelings for Curt still”. But consider this; Owen understands that he’s gone out of control and dealt with power too great to control. This is seen when he has an outburst when Curt says he’ll stop the machine, telling Curt that he just doesn’t get it. Owen understands that Chimera is huge, but his aim here is to show Curt how he is better than him, that he is (or rather, was) the better spy. (But now Owen is in way over his head, he really should’ve been an actor instead.) So when his voice trembles talking about their secret, it’s almost as if Owen is realising that everything he did in the 4 years he was “dead” was just because of that one secret dying. So Owen realises that he isn’t the spy he thought he was, which means that his laugh at 7:18 was one of relief and realisation that he’s free to die. He doesn’t have an obligation for any country, and as I said earlier Chimera aren’t really an agency (I mean I’m not 100% so if I’m wrong then that’s a-okay!) thus he doesn’t have to worry about never dying for the saying. Also (last point I swear), he never really finishes saying “spies are forever”. He proved this wrong. Spies aren’t forever. He certainly wasn’t. So maybe his laugh was aimed more at “spies are forever”... Which means I wasted time with this but hey, it’s just a theory x

[@weesalikesmilktea4829]

A GAY THEORY, THANKS FOR WATCHING

[@Kathy-cg3yk]

I love how Owen mockingly bows his head at 2:19😁

[@carlyfichtner79]

MMMMM, JOEY'S VOCALS TOWARDS THE END!

[@hollieatkins2531]

The acting is this scene is just phenomenal. The contrast with the comedy of the beginning and the heartbreak of the final few lines... just wow 👏👏👏

[@ellamorton3257]

OK but in one step ahead they both say "feeling a lot of déjà vu again" while being about 2 inches from each others faces why have i never seen this before i -

[@charlieeaston4010]

The effort that went into building their characters is phenomenal (probably spelt wrong) The emotions on their faces is so incredible and really sells the song to us. Also so happy about the whole relationship dynamic in there (representation wooo!) and the incredibly sincere performances of the relationship and emotions. Bad at writing comments, but here it is. I'm loving the show so much

[@camdotcoms]

owen and curt: *put their faces very close together over the swords* me, through tears: haha gay

[@lydiamaddox9325]

Literally Joey Richter is so beautiful. His British accent makes me droool, his slicked back hair omg! Just him in general

[@rekieirene]

First I was like "yayyy new otp!" then I was like "well, there goes my otp" and then this happend. WHY?! I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THIS.

[@natt4020]

I genuinely will never be able to sit on one of those spinny chairs again without doing the driving thing they did about a minute in

[@elwood7402]

Word of Advice: Don't watch this in class at school. I actually nearly started crying. Like, my eyes were red and the teacher was very worried.

[@theDoctorPotterfan16]

No matter how many times i see this, I still get a lump in my throat...that hasn't happened since the end of AVPSY. So it's a high compliment. Well done TCB, Curt and Joey, you have officially destroyed me...

[@catriziacat1756]

What about the death of Abdul

[@weirdhuman1703]

Catrizia Cat the death of Abdul was the worst death

[@imconfused801]

ok but something has always stood out to me in the way that joey says "a world without *secrets*". all the examples he gave before, agencies, spies, etc., he seemed to be emphasizing them just for power. then the way he said "secrets", he added an extra accent on the word and his voice sort of breaks. just an idea, but what if curt interpreted that sentence wrong. i know owen hated curt by this moment, so what if he was saying he wanted the new world to be more open, so at least he didn't have to hide and pretend. He didn't want to keep his own self a secret. I dunno it's 12:24 am but just a thought

[@radxianixe]

the way joey said that makes me want to cry every single time dammit

[@Estaaa1306]

The amount of heartbreak and emotion on Curts face when they where on the stairs is one of the main reasons I love this musical so much also HE SHOT HIM WTF

[@sapphosspecialboy]

Am I in my room at midnight going absolutely nuts because of this musical about a gay secret agent in the middle of the Cold War.... yes.... THANK YOU CURT MEGA FOR THIS MASTERPIECE

[@char124eve]

Joey's performance is so good omg!!!! Comparing to his earlier work you can see his evolution and I swear he's so charismatic!!!!

[@andtuf]

WHAT. WHAT. WHAT.

[@redacted5078]

andtuf gayness

[@finn8460]

2:20 that little bow? Owen is one cocky sonuvagun and I love Joey Richter so much for (among other things) bringing this character to life in such a delightful way

[@pinkestpink2627]

It broke my heart the facial expressions of Curt when Owen is point him. He's a really good actor.

[@superanoniem9783]

they were a couple.... OMG i knew it!! :))

[@mickeylikesgreen8484]

I watched this musical to watch Joey Richter being attractive and more talented than any man has a right to be. I was not prepared to cry

[@pineapplejester7191]

Amen sister 🙏

[@lunavixrn5651]

Istg this is the best penultimate 20 minutes of an action movie that I've ever seen. And it's and eight minute long song in a musical, so that's really saying something. The props were kinda ingenious, the music was incredible, the pacing was perfect, the montage is so well-executed that you can fill in all the blanks in the progression of the fight, and the ending was just *chef's kiss*. I know this isn't technically Starkid, but as seen in Twisted, TGWDLM and BF, these people are comedic geniuses. But when they go serious, it's heart-wrenching. We need a sequel. (Or prequel, that works too).

[@ash-fz3tw]

This scene actually made me cry. This was my second time watching this, the first time being when it first came out over 2 years ago. I had completely forgotten the majority of the plot, especially their relationship. The first time I watched this I really didn't care-- but since then, I've realized both my love for emotional scenes, as well as the fact that I myself am gay. The reveal of their relationship (even though the homoerotic subtext was pretty obvious throughout), only for it to end so heartbreakingly for the couple... this is one of my favorite scenes in musical history

[@cobblehill2428]

“That secret died the night you left me for dead” he sounds so emotional I’m going to cry even more

[@thomasbennett7409]

Joey is my absolute favorite Starkid/Tin Can Bro. His acting versatility is INSANE. Also, his voice on that Spies Are Forever reprise at the end is so freakin perfect👌👌👌