CWWK AMD-7840HS CPU+Motherboard Combo Deep Dive - DiY NAS Ready?

[@nascompares]

*UPDATE* Just a heads up. regarding ECC support, I did a quick test using a 16GB ECC Kingston 4800Mhz module and..well... here is how it went - kzbin.infoWnu2FbMY7H4

[@Noir1234]

Sad story, but expected

[@bw3803]

I don't understand why you would test it without also getting a cpu that supports it? Why/How did you pick the cpu you did?

[@jdigi78]

@@bw3803 the CPU is soldered on to the motherboard, so you don't have much choice unless you can find one with the one CPU that supports ECC.

[@GriffonWalker]

Well shit, the quest goes on :(

[@JackDespero]

so there it goes the only reason to consider buying that. Damn, I put it in the basket already, and I started to look for the answer to the ECC question. Out of the basket then :(

[@kryko.]

These DIY videos are always an interesting watch, keep them up. Hope your cat is okay!

[@nascompares]

Yep, he's fine. Had to get some splinters out of his paw (old fence he was climbing overnight). Thanks for the kind message

[@john_in_phoenix]

​@@nascompares Thanks, I was wondering myself.

[@udirt]

Ty for the review. That's a helpful board to have in some box for whatever random use case might come up

[@sinisterpisces]

Glad to hear your cat is well and on the mend. :) Great overview video. I wasn't aware of this board, so I'm really glad to see it here. One reason I haven't loved a lot of the CWWK (and Topton, etc.) boards in the past is parts of them have seemed kind of kludged together in the name of squeezing just enough ports on the board, nevermind whether there's enough PCIe bandwidth to support them all. I feel like this board in particular is a big step up in that department. It seems like the engineers who laid it out really tried to be thoughtful about how to balance features and ease of use. Not sure why there's one lone SATA port on the board. Maybe it's for a boot drive? I like seeing the two MiniSAS HD connectors; the really save space on the board, get a full 8 drives (instead of the usual 4-6 on a mini ITX), and will simplify cable management. Fewer ports also means fewer points of failure and less confusion when working on the board. I've had some bad experiences with some Asmedia controllers when working with TrueNAS in particular (the one in the QNAP JBODs won't work at all with TrueNAS and and a LSI SAS controller connected to SATA disks--SCSI errors forever). It's possible that was a combination of the Asmedia controller and QNAP's firmware, though. That said, I'm interested in seeing how you find the controllers' performance and stability. Hopefully, they can support the full bandwidth of up to 8 HDDs, or 4 HDDs and 4 SSDs (not sure about 8x2.5" SSDs...that might be too much?). I'm also curious of your insights as to why there are two controllers. Is it a cost saving measure vs. one 8 channel controller?

[@nascompares]

I'll be mounting 4 drives + the ECC memory for the video. Plus run some SSD tests. Trying to get the video finished and edited for Friday, but the new Jonsbo case + The N305 arrival might take priority

[@andrewharwood7843]

I have done some testing with this MB and can confirm the following: Support for 96GB Crucial 5600 - CT2K48G56C4685 Still investigating the performance of the onboard sata ports but initial tests show about a 20% drop compared to a SAS 3008 HBA Server 2022 support but installing the drivers is a pain in the ass. Power at idle Windows Server 2022 with 96GB + 5 SSDs: High performance: 42W Balanced: 35W Power saving: 30W

[@naylo44]

Thank you! Hopefully my board gets here in one piece from Aliexpress, and if so, I'm definitely getting 2x 48gb for it. ZFS looooovveeeesss ram

[@samo9288]

Eagerly awaiting the results of the ECC support. Please also measure power consumption please. Without hard drives and with if possible

[@nascompares]

Will try to include, but power consumption tests take quite a while around other adhoc tests (without the risk of invalidation), but I will try!

[@samo9288]

@@nascomparesI dont need anything technical, just curious as to the idle consumption

[@pabloszi]

@@samo9288 with one memory module installed and one nvme (kingston fury 2tb) and pico psu it takes something below 10W. With chieftec (gold? 85+) psu 200W - some old still available in ebay or something like (I've found that it is best low power performed psu) it takes about 14W. Suprisingly with platinum corsair sf750 it takes 21W! I have board with 7840HS CPU, not available today. But current board should be similar as cpus has no big differences

[@AinzOoalG0wn]

you made the right choice to explore/expand the channel into nas diy. not to say you can't also keep doing the prebuilt nas brand models. but people that have done that want to move onto diy since they want to buy parts for cheaper price and do more than prebuilt systems are able to. then load it up with like either unraid or truenas typically. since you are covering diy, plz also mention the ECC support options and the components to get that all to work for something like truenas. People would love to make a diy using parts you vetted as working so they can use that to make the diy truenas builds. in your diy videos you often mention pcie expansion options which i appreciate, since i myself need the nas casing to be able to support those since i use a SFP+ 10g pcie (in order to install fiber optic transceiver), m.2 ssd expansion pcie card, and a graphics card. So any diy nas cases that only have 1 or no pcie expansion slots just ain't gonna cut it 😢

[@Pr3mium2]

Could you please add the power consumption of the board? (Idle, load , max)

[@pabloszi]

I own one for two days. I can say for two day testing, that it takes 17W from the wall. Tested on Proxmox & Win11. Win11 takes slightly highier. One NVME, one LAN connected, no SATA disks connected. PSU - Chieftec 350W 85+. I will try with different configuration (PSU, disks, and so on, LXC/VM running) but it will take time. However currently I own Aoostar R7 with Ryzen 7 5700U (2x NVME, 2x SATA, some USB plugs). With two SATA disks connected (but when disks are in sleep mode) and plenty VMs/LXCs running it draws 17W from the wall. I am pleasigly suprised of power efectivness of AMD CPU. It draws significatly less power then Intel platform with same LXC/VMs runnig - previously tested with N100, i5-1135G7, i5-1240P NUCs. This board I bought to move to Jonsbo N3...

[@nascompares]

Thanks for sharing man

[@Versunix]

@@nascompares Thanks for the video. Can you please do a Plex/jellyfin test with this AMD GPU ? =)) And can you replace the standard CPU Fan ?, what socket did you need to pick up for replacing the standard fan ?

[@deejay5676]

I don't see the full Video at now I there a SATA Transfer Test too? If not, can You take one? Most of this bords have 575 1 to 5 SATA Chips. I have enough from this trash. This board have asm1166+1164 You say Sorry, my english is bad

[@404Darkice]

@@pablosziHave you checked ASPM support?

[@diablobarcelona]

My just arrived here in Spain today. Bought off the basis of your review. Arrived nicely and well packaged. Will be Saturday before I can put it in, but I bought it with the fan and cost me 400€ direct from manufacturer. Build looks extremely good to me (somewhat untrained eye as I only build new stuff once in a blue moon). I also got 64GB of DDR5 from Amazon for 333€ (2 x 32GB). First major hardware upgrade to my 11 year old TrueNAS build.

[@diablobarcelona]

OK I'm *REALLY* impressed ... wow... first impressions it's superb... will update a bit more one totally finished.

[@diablobarcelona]

God damn... OK, absolutely loving this. I'd been looking for *so long* for "that" motherboard that justified upgrading the hardware. Boy-oh-boy, this is justifiable. I've Got my 8 x 10TB WD GOLD drives, 1 x Transcend SSD (For TrueNAS OS), and 1 x Samsung NVMe for my FreeBSD Jails, such as Plex. I plan to also run a VM or two on this NVMe. Anyway, thank you so much @nascompares ... really happy. My only comment would be buy your own fan, because IMO this one is noisy.

[@pascalmunerot]

Hello, could you please give a link to the memory kit or the reference (ean...). Does it work well? thanks

[@diablobarcelona]

@@pascalmunerot Hi, sorry I thought I'd replied to this, its CT2K32G56C46S5 .... seems to be working superbly. I'm extremely happy with my entire setup.

[@АлексейТерещенко-д8н]

@@diablobarcelona Can u test SMB Multichannel with all 4 2.5gbe connected to a router if u have 10gbe? Cause the obly downside for me for this motherboard is the lack of 10gbe port. Well, and also that there is no version with 7940hs, both this one and Topton.

[@mamdouh-Tawadros]

Thank you for showing us this motherboard and for the way you describe things. I imagine this board to be in a rack server, or tower server. Which negates the need for ITX form. This CPU is a workhorse as you mentioned. Thank you so much again.

[@johnbeeck2540]

Such useful information - thanks!

[@nascompares]

Cheers john

[@thomasgessert8518]

What I really would like to see in a NAS mainboard is one to two 10 GbE SFP connectors. Those 2.5 GbE connectors may be cheaper but its not worth it for most use cases today. SFP especially because you are free to choose between fibre or dac cables and tranceivers if you need to use copper. Most affordable 10 GbE switches have SFP ports and limitations on how much copper transceivers you can use. 9 SATA are great. M.2 is only useful for caching until you go for 25 GbE or higher. But all those NIC depend on a number of PCIe lanes a mobile CPU could possibly not provide.

[@nascompares]

Tbh it's the lane usage. CWWK have a micro ITX board (in a fanless half case) that has 2x 10GbE. But then it only has 2x SATA and 1x NVMe (N305 version). It's about the lane deficit

[@nielsdebakker3283]

can't you stick a 10Gb external nic in the usb4 port?

[@drtbantha]

⁠@@nascomparesAquantia’s AQC113CS will do at least 10Gbase-T with one lane of PCIe 4.0 - would be nice to see someone use it onboard.

[@metrotechguru5863]

Brilliant video. Cheers.

[@wedemandcookies]

Yes! -- Ugreen DXP4800 Plus next week is fantastic! That's the one I "pre-ordered" in form of that weird $5 for 40% off deal. I hope it is going to be good and we are really in fact able to use Unraid with it? Great content, thank you! :)

[@nascompares]

Just finished testing the DXP480T. The included software is still in beta stages (and it feels it) but definitely more developed than the ZimaOS/Casa OS (barring custom container deployment). Plus, the build of the flash model + the DXP4800 Plus (the Pentium one) is very impressive. Just filmed the teardown and it's genuinely a surprise how well their launch product is put together

[@pincombe]

I like these hardware videos but personally I'm still not sure what direction to go in terms of software. I would love some kind of Unraid vs TrueNAS content. What I'm most concerned about is long term maintenance and running of the software stack. Switching drives, ease of updates, daily use gotchas that kind of thing.

[@cinemaipswich4636]

The more expensive option has the cables to SATA drives and additional NVMe drives. 2 years ago is was looking for something like this, and the offers were $900, without ram or break-out cables or NVMe or CPU cooler. Ignore the single SATA port and install your OS on 2 mirrored, and small, NVMe drives, and allocate cache to them. The HDD are the reason this board exists.

[@jhirschma]

Assuming this board does support ecc, I'd love to see a version with a 10GB SFP+ connector instead of the quad 2.5GB.

[@nascompares]

Tbh, now there is even more brands rolling out SoC mobile CPU mobos (see ZimaCube, UGreen DXP etc) with 10GbE on board, it can't be long now

[@jhirschma]

@@nascompares Well, 9 SATA, ECC memory support, two NVME, Ryzen goodness *and* a free PCIE slot means instant sale for me, that's for certain.🤑

[@jobertvangool9961]

I just put the board in my shopping card @ Topton, got a nose for it, it seems. 😂😂 It’s waaaaay over my budget to be honest, but you def got my attention now! 😂😂

[@nascompares]

Tbh it's been on/off testing for 48hrs now and doing everything and anything I am throwing at it

[@Bauanga]

@nascompares Can you tell me where you find the info about bifrucation? My board arrived and I can't find an option for it. I've installed one 32 GB Micron ECC stick. Sadly, ECC doesn't work. There is an option to enable ECC in the bios but it seems to do nothing. I'm really dissapointet right now, ECC was the main reason for odering the board. Did you have any contact with cwwk support so far?

[@pascalmunerot]

Aliexpress topton store support advised to use either samsung or Skhynix brand. They claim kingston and others are not reliable. I did not check myself yet though. Also told me they did not have any motherboard docs. Not sure about ECC.

[@bw3803]

For ECC you need to use a processor that supports it, from what I read either these are ones without a iGPU or the pro liine with one. What cpu did you pair it with for your try at ecc?

[@JohnPonthecuff]

I know it's late for this question, but: I have the latest version of this MB coming. Ordered it with the Jonsbo cooler, that they advertise. I want to put this in my Jonsbo N3. OK here's the question. Do you think it will fit in my N3 case with that Jonsbo cooler that they show (white one). I also have 2@ 25mm fans in the back and hope they don't get in the way.....

[@mndlessdrwer]

If this thing works without needing to jump through too many hoops for drivers then it may be the superior NAS/router/firewall motherboard of its generation. A low wattage, high performance mobile chip with that amount of connectivity is a great solution, particularly since it includes so many 2.5Gb network ports. The extra PCIe slot could also be used for GPU video transcoding for streaming purposes if you have a software that supports on-the-fly transcoding into a better format for streaming. Not sure if any of those applications have particularly good support for Intel Arc GPUs, but their video transcoding performance would really be ideal for that sort of application if they're supported.

[@barerfont]

Fingers crossed for ecc this will be a great option

[@nascompares]

I am not holding my breath!

[@barerfont]

@@nascompares we can but dream :)

[@JohnPonthecuff]

I installed the board with the 8845HS CPU and can't see the Network adapters in the BIOS (although they work). I will mention this CWWK and see if they update the BIOS. They did mention to me that they were fine tuning it before production. I guess they missed. The BIOS you show on the previous version is what I want....

[@nilsruss2288]

Nice review! Are there any other coolers which might fit well onto this board?

[@burntinphx736]

I saw this board and want it! I was thinking it would go good in the KCMconmey 8 + 2 Bay DIY NAS case. I like the bays being stacked. Now just time to save for the board.

[@markmonroe7330]

Excellent presentation. Thank you. Really wish these had 10gb network as a default. This thing should easily saturate a 10gb and probably come close on 25gb. I just don't understand why these companies are putting such a default bottleneck on their devices.

[@Spoolingturbo6]

always, nice informative video ! thanks for you videos !

[@nascompares]

Thanks man

[@pluggedfinn-bj3hn]

In the earlier video you talked plenty about how the CPUs TDP is more than you like, did you do any power consumption testing on this? Kinda interested to see how low the idle and regular NAS work consumption is.

[@madnlooney]

i ordered the all in bundle last week from topton and it was shipped yesterday. Now eagerly awaiting it for my N3 build. 9:25 bottom right standing, is the cpu heatsink sitting ontop of that cap?

[@nascompares]

I was really struggling with the CPU cooler angle here. Every single direction was obstructed or, in 2 cases, flat out blocking.

[@pascalmunerot]

thanks for the description of this board. this is exactly what I was looking for. I just ordered it and I am looking for the board documentation if you managed to find it. found some links in chinese but nothing so useful yet. also, I think I read the TDP can be changed by bios setting from 35 to 54w so that may explain why you see only 3,6ghz as max cpu speed. any idea on the TPM module that could fit? I see this is a 10 pin but not sure which to grab from aliexpress or others. fan out sata cable can be ordered in the bundle for a few extra euros.

[@nascompares]

Already ordered! Just didn't arrive in time for the record (ECC arrived an hour before this was published...bugger!)

[@eliteschw31n64]

This board looks interesting. I am currently on the search for a new board for my diy nas and it kinda fits well

[@nascompares]

Cheers for your thoughts man. Hopefully pt 2 will help in whether this suits you

[@EvilMmM]

Yet again! i just saw recently this mob . and was wondering do you have it allready :D, in what case will you put it in with 8 drives or 8 at least?

[@mrdali67]

Well, even without the ECC support the 7040HS is huge upgrade from those Intel N-series chips with their limited ammount of pcie lanes. I don't really get why the m.2 slots is downgraded to 2x, but most likely it's to avoid sharing lanes between the available periferies on the board. Just the 4x2.5gbe have to take the most of the available ones, and I'd personly rather have the performance on those than on the nvme connections. For a home NAS connected to a few PC's, It's quite nice to have 4 dedicated 2.5gbe connections. The CPU should be powerfull enough to support running it as switch too

[@mastermoarman]

Are you planning a build? Im seriously looking at this for my first diy nas / jelkyfin/ windows blue iris vm/ code project ai. I would really like to know how well it preforms

[@abb0tt]

Ultimately the BIOS will determine the ECC support on top of the hardware spec, which is great news, because the mobo vendor can create the firmware for it.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

what great news? All boards with an AMD CPU are like this, the only limit is in the BIOS flipping a setting. Most don't and don't even expose the setting

[@abb0tt]

@@marcogenovesi8570 your comment added no additional insight. Like I said it’s, the BIOS.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@abb0tt my comment disagreed with your "which is great news" statement. You are taking a situation that is 100% standard" and saying "this is great news". No it's not, it's just how it always is

[@seffka5659]

i think i heard those seagulls 🙈🤣 thanks for the great review!

[@nascompares]

stop giving the seagulls airtime!

[@danielzebrowski5038]

Does the BIOS / PCIe slot support bifurcation?

[@HockeyDadGB]

@nascompares Did you have any issues with this board posting ? Ive got a solid green light when gitting the power button. No sounds at all, fans dont spin up either

[@TheUnchartedBull]

Did you get your board working? I have a similar issue where 4 of the 5 leds light up. They then turn off except one and then come back on again. Also no POST beep or something, even after letting the board run for 15 min or so in this POST loop.

[@JohnPonthecuff]

I ordered the 8/9 Bay NAS motherboard direct from CWWK. It came in 7 days after my order which wasn't bad. Problem? They didn't sent the Jonsbo Cooler (radiator) with it. I did notify them, so I would guess it's another week before I get it. Do you have any suggestions? I never had a big cooling surface like this cpu has. It will go into my N3 case.

[@milk4chillout]

Hey there, I've been testing a similar board for a few days and have two problems. Even though I use a 4pin fan on a 4pin connection, the fan does not react to temperature changes. Likewise, the sindown of the hard drives does not work when I use Unraid. Do you have any experience with this? Is that always the case with these motherboards? Is it due to the limited bios or do you have a tip for me? Thanks

[@laszlo.jozsef]

It was funny to see, that when you plug in the Ethernet cable at 11:39, the green link LED will light up, but only after that will you plug the mains cable into the power supply. (It hasn't had time to fully discharge since the previous power off.)

[@nascompares]

Yep, had to check the PSU was operational and working. Would have been a shorter video otherwise!

[@JohnPonthecuff]

Any idea how to update the CMOS on this board. I have the 8845HS model....Actually I wouldn't mind just clearing the CMOS, but can't see the jumper. I never liked doing the battery reset.

[@onechu]

Does PROXMOX support IOMMU? I'm considering a motherboard for my Nas, and this seems like the ideal board, but I've read on reddit that it doesn't support vt-d, so I'm asking. I know you have the latest firmware out, but could you please confirm?

[@zazelskycrest2525]

Hi, I hope later you will test the hard drive power supply holder on the motherboard to see how many HDD can it powered. When I looking back at motherboard, I suspect the manufacturer intent is that HDD power supply holder is most likely to power only 1 HDD (the one that will be connected to the SATA port) and the SFF 8643 is to be use on a backplane. Depending on this test, it might affect which case that is better for this motherboard

[@dhartifact6294]

Wow, thanks a lot

[@john_in_phoenix]

I would love to see you test Truenas when you get the ECC memory.

[@nascompares]

Tbh I was going to opt for UnRAID on this build, but will think about whether I can do both and a ZFS pools between

[@BarnardoPlays]

When given the opportunity to mill a finely shaped heatsink with fins to maximise surface area for dissipation of heat they really did just slap an oblong of copper on there and call it Edit: now that I'm halfway into the video, I'm curious what's actually going on with that heatspreader. Is it a mobile CPU and the block is to make it compatible with a standard socketed heaysink?

[@ispenttoomuchongear]

Did you test any of the other boards with the same specs and design as this one, but equipped with Intel 11. Gen G7 mobile CPUs?

[@tendosingh5682]

A gaming capable NAS!

[@nascompares]

Yep

[@MrPir84free]

The scratches on the copper makes me wonder if the item was returned and simply boxed back up and sent out to complete the "next order".

[@nascompares]

Wow...don't I feel special now!

[@hugevibez]

-I wrote a whole comment but foolishly added a link and my comment got eaten by the spam gods. I was saying the 7840HS officially doesn't support ECC memory, but the PRO version of that chip does. However, the difference between those chips might just be a simple microcode toggle in the AGESA.- I see somewhere else in the comments, no ECC confirmed. What a shame. You can see a diagram on the techpowerup page that breaks down the entire FP8 laptop platform that is used with the 7840HS. It only has 20 lanes since this is a laptop platform after all. 8 for gpu, 8 for nvme and the rest for wifi, lan and sata. To get that extra connectivity you're gonna have to sacrifice some lanes. I wish we got a version of this board with no connectivity, just a pcie x16 and an x4 so we could use adaptors to get the connectivity we need. (or even just an x16 and use the rest of the lanes for 2 10gbe nics and an x2 nvme for boot)

[@Ao-4]

Yeah, most likely because they sell PRO versions of these APUs, that do have ECC enabled. AMD deserve to get slammed for this scummy market segmentation, they really are just as bad as Intel in this regard. They do this with pretty much all their APUs that would be useful for a homeserver, at this point. It's really frustrating to have to get OEM parts in the used market for this, and if it weren't for the fact that AMD still allows for slightly cheaper ECC even with this taken into consideration, I would just have gone for Intel. I might still just go pay a bit more and opt for Intel's W680 chipset boards.

[@shephusted2714]

this is a bit more strident content and i like it - could make a good router board also - good look at the new hw, think about bonding all ethernet in followup, pls mention if x16(x8 elec) supports bifurcation for 4 more nvme...boards probably has good power stats both in performance and power usage - things are getting better - also compare costs to comm alternatives - should do well

[@nascompares]

EXCELLENT word use! *waves dictionary aggressively* lovely stuff. Cheers for watching

[@denvera1g1]

Officially, only the Ryzen Pro APUS support ECC. And unlike Desktop there is no unofficial ECC support on APUs. If you had a 7845HX or 8000 series equivelant it would be possible as these are desktop chips and the desktop chips have (unofficial) ECC support, where 7000G/U and 8000G/U do not get ANY ECC unless they are the Pro variants.

[@RockTheCage55]

awesome video....thanks mate

[@nascompares]

Bo worries. Thanks for watching it. Have a bloody great weekend

[@davidkpelle5472]

im looking to build my own as using this board. waiting for your video about a build with this card, could you also include the best gpu that will go with it?

[@bNNjh5fu000jy]

Will follow.

[@movax20h]

Hmm. I hope they will make lower tier CPU version. As it is a bit overpowered for a lot of applications. If they could shave 100$ and do 4 core version, at 15W TDP, maybe drop 2 of the NICs, that would be perfect (well, it would be perfect with builtin SFP+, but one can dream).

[@mastermoarman]

do you think the usb c could be used for a external video card enclosuer?

[@Hellraiserzzz]

How's the HW transcoding support with this CPU/APU on plex? Can it replace Intel QuickSync?

[@frankwong9486]

Interesting in does it got pcie bifurcation support

[@mastermoarman]

Are we able to bifurcation the pcie slot?

[@cam_934]

9:24 is that heatsink bracket really going to crush down on top of a capacitor?

[@nascompares]

Hi man. I made sure there was clearance..JUST. that jonsbo heatsink they include in this bundle really doesn't sit well in any direction sadly. It's a AMD/Intel combo cooler, but because of that and this being an oddly elongated CPU cover on the board, it's a bit of a mess. Might have to include this in part 2, as this video was expedited to hit the Friday deadline for us

[@PhotoJohn80]

Why didn't you ever do a performance review of the OWC 8 SLOT M.2 PCIE RAID CARD?

[@nascompares]

Good Question! The card arrived and I did provisional testing, however the SSDs the card arrived with were very low spec, so I tried to arrange high performance Gen4 SSDs to better show the performance potential. However, sourcing 8x Gen 4 SSDs (at least 1TB to avoid a performance hit per drive) was exceedingly hard (this is a small YT channel realistically ) and then there was debates with OWC in the background about using 3rd party SSDs. Eventually the testing was taking too long and other projects got in the way. This combined with a lukewarm reception to the content ultimately ended up with other videos and articles taking priority. The card was still featured on other content surrounding DiY NAS systems, but that's about it. Hope that all makes sense

[@PhotoJohn80]

@@nascompares I get it. The reason I was asking is because I am thinking of doing a compact low noise M.2 NAS with thunderbolt. I was looking at this card or the sonnet one. Sonnet one is my top choice since it’s fanless and one less component to fail. I was going to use the fractal design ridge case and a m.2 to 10gbe adapter as well. But I get it. Thanks for answering.

[@nitehawk68]

Can this motherboard boot up without a monitor, keyboard & mouse attached?

[@JohnPonthecuff]

Do you think the jonsbo cooler that comes with the cwwk board will fit in my jonsbo N3?

[@nascompares]

100% yes

[@Cynyr]

20 lanes total. 4 for the chipset, 1/ea for the network, 8x for the alot, that leaves 4 tital for the 2 m.2 slots.

[@nascompares]

They bifurcated a decent amount too I think. Those asmedia components are 3x2. Added an official breakdown on the article, but might have to knock something more formative up. Cheers for the comment and observations man, appreciated

[@raycollington4310]

Sorry to be thick, how do you know the quality of these electronic parts. If say, Synology spec components, they have to support them. How do I avoid building a NAS with low quality parts? Thank you.

[@nascompares]

Definitely NOT a thick question. Ultimately, you have to opt for the mobo CPU combo brands that are either the primary developers or the 'known' names in the market. I would recommend Topton, CWWK or Minisforum

[@buldezir]

Hi @nascompares ! can you please comment about x16 slot, what is its reals speed and is there bifurcation available?

[@nascompares]

I've seen online that bifurcated has been successful, but also that this is definitely x8 (hardware lot on ssh/terminal with sudo said as much)

[@DrMitsos]

Please if possible check if it will support 2 x 48GB DDR5-5600 SODIMM for a total of 96GB of RAM, as 64GB are not enough for homelab use.

[@nascompares]

If I HAD 2x 48GB, I'd check...but...umm..poor!

[@JoshuaPeck-x2r]

are these computers was looking at this still new built a pc well upgraded which was really hard its a victus i found a 500w psu upgraded gpu it runs almost all but wat is a nas board can u game and do all other things a desktop can

[@razerf]

Test in game with an AMD rx or NVIDIA rtx please

[@404Darkice]

The board seems to have ASPM disabled thus drawing 17W (as mentioned in the other comment) off the wall. Is there an ASPM / PCIe native power management setting in the BIOS? Also powertop would be interesting

[@_cweb]

You can enable ASPM in one of those sub menus on PCIe device basis. But that only reduces idle by 1W, so really not worth it.

[@404Darkice]

@@_cwebThat would be weird. Does the processor reach higher C-States with ASPM enabled?

[@_cweb]

As it is an AMD CPU there is only C3 available anyways. And C3 is reached even without ASPM.

[@404Darkice]

That is not true. AMD can reach C6 nowadays

[@_cweb]

Well, C3 in Linux is C6 in Windows for AMD. So it can reach 3 cstates, but it depends on the OS on how it is displayed.

[@sumosys372]

Picked one of these up to upgrade my Celeron based itx board, as it wasn't capable of handling Agent DVR. It arrived a few days ago and a day was set aside to assemble it with 2 2TB NVMe d rives, 32GB of DDR5 in my existing case. Didn't put the Unraid drive in to do the initial start up, nor did I connect the 4 HDDs that are currently in the case. And......... Nothing! No chime, No BIOS. Tried HDMI and DP.Just lots of green LEDs on the MOBO, Has anyone else encountered similar?

[@pascalmunerot]

Hello. Can someone confirm that the motherboard only has LGA 1700 cooler (Intel) compatible holes? I was surprised as I was expecting an AMD but it does not fit (too long for the holes on the board).

[@pascalmunerot]

from the video at 9:19 it seems that this is the lga brackets.

[@roblewis6498]

Love these videos... But just do not recommend those Sata cables (Fan out).. They gave me nothing but issues with my DIY build and ended up those cables. TrueNAS was just throwing erros because of them

[@nascompares]

Cheers for sharing. I'll keep an eye out for that and report on pt2 if they are no good

[@666Maeglin]

Lol that MB install tune.. positively circus clown music🤣

[@jerryguizar7073]

Will this combo fit in the silverstone cs382?

[@Ao-4]

It would but why would you need to go ITX when CS382 fits mATX?

[@nascompares]

What he said! Yes.

[@BryceDearden]

I think for Ryzen it’s pretty much always just motherboard dependent on whether or not ECC works

[@nascompares]

I wish I could trust it, but I found TWO official AMD sites that list this ryzen 7 SoC as supporting ECC and NOT supporting it. I.T is fun

[@BryceDearden]

@@nascompares I mean if it was easy it wouldn’t be fun right! (right?)

[@Ao-4]

That's what you'd think, but their CPUs and APUs that would actually be useful for a NAS never offer ECC straight up. Intel were scummy for using it for market segmentation, but AMD isn't really doing much better. Their desktop APUs require you buying PRO versions to get ECC. These are OEM parts only, pretty much never sold to consumers, or if they are, hella expensive. They're only fine offering it in CPUs that are bad for home server use case, and they are bad because chiplet design => high power idle. So, you can't really trust AMD to have ECC support blindly. They don't support ECC on any consumer parts "officially", so if these CPUs don't have it, they don't give a damn

[@user-kg6uj6ji5p]

this board have ecc support ?

[@nascompares]

TBC baby!

[@Ao-4]

Yes, but the CPU needs to as well.

[@_cweb]

I could not get my Kingston ECC memory to work in ECC mode. I enabled ECC in the BIOS and disabled PFEH, but no signs of it working in Linux. Also idle consumption with only 1 USB stick was 17W. 16W after enabling ASPM. For now I am not satisfied with this product, as I mainly bought it for its ECC support and presumably low power consumption.

[@Ao-4]

Unfortunately if you check AMDs full specification webpage, none of the Zen 4 mobile APUs have ECC support. 7735HS has it, but it's a rebranded 6800HS, which is Zen3+. I think AMD decided to act scummy here and deliberately excluded ECC support from the Zen4 lineup. Same thing they've done with their desktop APUs for consumers.

[@nascompares]

I can confirm, that my ECC memory test was a failure!!!!

[@Bauanga]

What a bummer!

[@hugevibez]

@@Ao-4 7840HS PRO supports ECC memory, there are workstation laptops out there that require ECC memory. But yeah no NAS boards exist.

[@BrianDickens4]

AMD itself lists the Ryzen 7 7840HS as *not* supporting ECC memory.

[@nascompares]

Yep, that's the pain

[@nicketarsaldridge41]

2824 Champlin Lakes

[@marcogenovesi8570]

when you get the ECC ram you need to check dmesg with dmesg | grep EDAC If the ECC is enabled you should see something like this (this example has 2x 16GB and 2x 8GB ECC RAM installed) [ 0.449223] EDAC MC: Ver: 3.0.0 [ 50.316366] EDAC MC0: Giving out device to module amd64_edac controller F17h_M10h: DEV 0000:00:18.3 (INTERRUPT) [ 50.316372] EDAC amd64: F17h_M10h detected (node 0). [ 50.316378] EDAC MC: UMC0 chip selects: [ 50.316379] EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 8192MB 1: 8192MB [ 50.316382] EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 4096MB 3: 4096MB [ 50.316388] EDAC MC: UMC1 chip selects: [ 50.316390] EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 8192MB 1: 8192MB [ 50.316392] EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 4096MB 3: 4096MB the EDAC subsystem is the linux kernel component that reads the error report from the ECC, and will enable only when ECC is detected

[@nascompares]

Genuine thanks for that man, really. Appreciated

[@nascompares]

Hi man. Just a heads up, I tried ECC and no luck! Gave you a name check (sorry if I pronounced it wrong) kzbin.infoWnu2FbMY7H4

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@nascompares thanks for checking

[@Nalianna]

Interesting, interesting, INTERESTING, 7:30 x8 electrically? oh, it's trash.

[@nascompares]

Really, 4x8 and still has a couple of 4x4 m.2s and supports up to 9 SATA.....on an M-ITX! Come on mate, play fair!

[@Nalianna]

@@nascomparesStill struggling to pop these m.2 drives in sata ports. Any advice on how to? The only way that i know how to (without pcie bifurcation), is to use a highpoint controller card. That uses x16.

[@hugevibez]

@@Nalianna ASrockRACK ROMED4ID-2T if you need NVMe connectivity in ITX, there is no alternative but it has SlimSAS pcie not m.2. You shouldn't really use consumer-level NVMe drives in a NAS anyway, it's basically the equivalent of using SMR hard drives.

[@FredKennedy-s9t]

Albertha Route

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

interesting if a bit pricy...

[@maxdxs]

tehere are a good external 3.5 enclosure to connecto int oa (mini pc ans make it a nas) haha sorry I know can be a weird solution ,

[@abzzeus]

Board looked good for a replacement for my current TrueNAS system, but TWO things stand against it - no 10Gbit preferably SPF+ and Asmedia SATA on SFF-8643 connectors - I'd rather have a LSI chips driving those ports to handle high usage

[@JanBrinkmeier-i3w]

Archibald Stream

[@officialFUKU]

NAS video and not talking about power consumption. dafuq

[@angelinamacalister1740]

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[@sylvainalain6637]

Nice shirt lol

[@nascompares]

Thanks. It was not expensive...

[@sylvainalain6637]

@@nascompares it’s so funny , each time I hear a seagull in your videos , I’m waiting for your response

[@nascompares]

DON'T GIVE THEM ANY MORE ATTENTION!!

[@ChapmanRod-d2l]

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[@celiafeconors216]

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[@BettyHernandez-j2o]

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[@LeacockFrances-s6u]

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[@CristovamPeres]

most annoying music i've ever heard in a youtube video

[@nascompares]

Dude...magic roundabout..it's a many decade old, stone cold classic!

[@AndreasA.S.]

no ali express systems please.

[@nascompares]

Unfortunately, Ali is still the main outlet for boards like this. Even the Topton and CWWK official sites are just AliExpress distribution of the same regard. Sadly, it takes months, sometimes a year+ for boards like these to become more generally available. It sucks, but it's true

[@abb0tt]

A lot of robust components on AliExpress. More for the rest of us. If you know, you know.

[@Ao-4]

Why? It's interesting content.

[@not_authorized]

Would it be a good decision to use the PCIe Gen 5×16 slot for 10GbE ASUS XG-C100C?