First Time building my own NAS

[@VTOLfreak]

Those cheap SATA controllers can get really hot. I have a few lying around that produce read errors when overheated and ZFS wrongly assumes the problem is with the disks and kicks them out of the array. An easy solution is to use thermal adhesive to glue a heatsink on them. With disks this big, I would have gone with RAIDZ2 instead of RAIDZ. Rebuilds can take a long time and put allot of stress on disks, there's a good chance another disk fails during the rebuild. And on a last note: Label your drive trays with the serial numbers. You'll thank yourself later...

[@der8auer-en]

thanks for this info :) I will make sure to check the temp of mine

[@RanjakarPatel]

@@der8auer-enyes my dear. I proud for you try you’re best you’re branes but please make more educashin four the computer. Germany xcelent four make the car but no strongly four understanding the pc. I proud you make you’re first nas but if I am honestly you need four more study the book. So no feel so much shame four no comprehenshin my sweet. Many my country ready four teach you how become excellent computer. Never give up and never remember my beauty.

[@bigpoppa1234]

Would be a good idea to swap out that Sata controller for a H310 HBA card flashed into IT mode (or the newer versions) with SAS to Sata cables.

[@RashakantBhattachana]

@@RanjakarPatel उस पर ज़्यादा कठोर मत बनो. वह अपना सर्वश्रेष्ठ प्रयास कर रहा है और अन्यथा वह काफी बुद्धिमान है। उन्होंने फायर बियर कंपनी को अपना ज्वालामुखी पेस्ट बेचने में मदद की, भले ही यह विचार पहली बार भारत में विकसित किया गया था।

[@Ravichandran_Gupta]

@@RashakantBhattachana ईमानदारी से कहूं तो इसे देखना काफी कठिन है। लेकिन वह अंदर से एक अच्छा इंसान है। और वह अपनी बुद्धि और शिक्षा के स्तर के लिए गंभीर प्रयास कर रहा है। इसलिए मैं आम तौर पर इसका आनंद लेता हूं और इसके लिए उसकी सराहना करता हूं।

[@JeffGeerling]

"25 TB of data, that's not too much" Spoken like a true datahoarder :)

[@NathOnGames]

I am a simple man. I enjoy tech content, I enjoy cats.

[@glmchn]

Same but with dogs. 👍

[@DadlyShadow]

my cat watches me use the toilet

[@smarthome2660]

@@DadlyShadow Mine too, I had to install a kitty door in the bathroom because my cats wanted in so bad they would pester me till I opened the door.

[@dwahnaslowdown8887]

I'm allergic to cats. ☹😿

[@sprocket5526]

@@DadlyShadow mine drinks water out of the toilet.. so yea.. cats are weird

[@Lishtenbird]

For the PCIe SATA card, if you won't be switching to an HBA as others have suggested, look up which controller it's running, and make sure it's all native ports and not SATA multipliers. Those (and overheating) are the main sources of issues on them.

[@gabest4]

Sata controller is probably a ASM1166. It's PCIe x2. A port multiplier would have been x1 only.

Yes, it's using the ASM1166

[@dazealex]

I've been using HBAs on my unRAID NAS, zero issues with it. Rock solid.@

[@paulbirch7635]

As others have noted: you should switch out the sata controller to a proper LSI HBA in IT mode. However, if you plan on using all eight bays in the future, you will have to mind the limited space between the pcie slot and drive bay nr 3 from the top. Also, this case run very hot when fully populated with drives. There are 3D print stl files available to direct the side fan airflow over the discs helps a ton! If it isn't allready obvious, I am running the same case in my NAS (24/7) for the last 6 years with 11 drives. The hardest part is cable management. Hit me up if you need pointers, or recommendations on parts

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

Can't never over appreciate such Thermal Kitty episodes.

[@diazrocks]

Be careful of those consumer grade sata cards. which i understand that you got the sata card for free, Truenas doesnt like them too much. Youre milage may vary, but i lost a pool by using these type of sata cards. Might be wiser to look at enterprise grade HBA. A Used HBA LSI-9300 doesnt cost too much and if youre using Harddrive, LSI-9200-8i.

[@twiikker]

100% this or just use oculink which is already on board.

[@diazrocks]

@@twiikker yup!

[@Makaveli6103]

Agree. HBA card is a better choice

[@BulllRush]

Fun video, man. It's cool to see a total pro like yourself trying something new and making a "beginner builds NAS" video.

[@veigacamargo]

The hard drives are the components under most heat pressure there, so I'd change the airflow inside the case to have intake through the drives and out take in the back.

[@arch1107]

knowing that he will use it as a backup not very often and knowing he will not use them hard, it is inncecesary to do that

[@noxious89123]

That's literally how it's set up.

[@mckidney1]

Just a note, you want to wire a 5 bay to use 5 even if the goal is to have 4 - replacing drive is correctly done without removing the old one first. That said soemtimes you do not have the option.

[@zamadatix]

That's really just a matter of cosmetics. You can keep the old drive connected, if you desire, without having it in a bay for the short period you're replacing it.

[@mckidney1]

​​@@zamadatixIt is not (edit cosmetical). Drives die around the rebuild, handling drives with no parity is prone to failure and finally the human errora related to interaction. It is objectively better to have an empty bay rather than shutting down the system amd handling rebuild that way. Of course there is no shame in doing things good enough and I am throwing no shade.

[@zamadatix]

​@@mckidney1 What about having an extra bay or not changes whether you have to shut the system down? Hot swapping is a function of the SATA controller, not the bay. The bay is just a nicer looking way of holding the drives long term. Whether or not you have the extra open bay or not you don't touch any of the previous drives already in bays (even the failing/failed one) until after the parity rebuild is complete. If "well, opening the case is just too risky" then the problem isn't the lack of additional open drive bays it's the lack of enough parity drives (like here using 2 drives for redundancy instead of just 1 so you keep redundancy during a failure and don't have to worry about a butterfly flapping its wings during a rebuild). Alternatively just keep a USB UASP SATA adapter around, a lot more handy than a permanently empty bay.

[@mckidney1]

@@zamadatix I think context of the video lost, option was there to wire it to an already empty bay. Self-proclaimed new NAS builder did not take it. I find this argument to be made for argument sake - yes it can be done even now, but at additional effort that is applied at the time of failure. Chosing between "wire the extra bays at a cost of a SATA cable and ports you already have empty on the main board" and "You can use open the case and wire it when the drive fails" - do you honestly thing the decision comes to cosmetics? Edit: My answer is no, the difference is that one is an advice and second is an excuse. Why would you send an excuse to a new builder?

[@zamadatix]

It's fine to wire it up, it's also perfectly fine to not wire it up. If you had said "You may want to wire bay 5 to save yourself time in a future drive replacement" I'd have agreed but you insisted one always wants to and gave the reason it's how you can correctly replace a drive as if it you couldn't just as correctly replace a drive without the 5th bay wired. Also note I didn't even say anything about wiring the 5th bay at all, again that's just one option of many in how to correctly replace a drive. There is so much misinformation in the NAS space because people like to describe their preferred way of doing something well as if it's the only correct way of doing something well. It's not that it's bad information, many will indeed want to wire a 5th bay (or even just all of them if they have the ports), it's just presented in the wrong light as if not doing it this way can't a valid option as well.

[@BikingChap]

Great video and love your cat being in the frame. Every PC channel should have a resident / co-presenting cat!

[@Enigma8750]

I am also searching for a replacement of my old WD NAS so it was very nice to see you do this build. That Silverstone case was perfect for looks cooling and function. Now I need one of those too. Thanks for the great content, kitty included. DAS All

[@Skungalunga]

That was me a few years back. A few learning, I'd like to share: HBAs work better. TureNAS does not allow for adding more disks to a pool (at least I have not figured it out), so max-out your pool size when creating it.

[@taselwyn]

You have to add more VDevs to increase the pool size. The truenas pool is all VDevs added together, with redundancy being in the VDevs themselves. So raidz2 vdev, out of those drives in the vdev 2 can fail.

[@FARBerserker]

The hot Swap part depends on how you configure the BIOS/UEFI. I had to get a cracked one for my N54L to get HotSwap because the standard one was locked down and hid that option from me.

[@karehaqt]

Thanks for highlighting that Silverstone case, I'm planning my own NAS build and was struggling to find a decent case but this checks all the boxes.

[@zxcvb_bvcxz]

Wouldn't recommend. The drive bays are extremely cheap and plastic. Drive cage is a pain to remove Everything feels like a cheap case from 20 years ago (slighly less injuries though)

[@someawesome7984]

Jonsbo N3?

[@Marco911]

​@@zxcvb_bvcxzI had the Same experience. It's a pain in the ass to wire that thing.

[@sprocket5526]

do you REALLY need hotswap bays? is it mission critical that you can swap drives while you server is turned on? if you do, then the silverstone case is not really "quality" server case for mission critical applications. if you dont, then a fractal node 304/804 or even the older define R7 is more then fine. I use my my NAS as media server and my own cloud services.

[@karehaqt]

@@sprocket5526 It's nothing mission critical, I just want to backup my music directory as I don't want to re-rip nearly 5000 CDs again, took me long enough to do it already. I just like the design of the case and having the drive access at the front is handy to have. As for the comment above yours about wiring being a pain, I've wired up worse looking cases than this so it's not a concern.

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

I've mostly moved to mini itx over the years and 12vo boards would be a godsend for working in those smaller cases. But you have to put a lot of faith in board manufacturers not to cheap out.

[@seethruhead7119]

I have two of these cases with 8 drives in each. One is a simple JBOD connected to the other. I created cardboard inserts to make sure that the 2 side fans are forced to cool the HDD, as they can get quite hot in this case without an air guide.

[@huzudra]

Synology stuff is nice, I've been using one of their routers I picked up cheap and it's been the most stable trouble free thing I've ever owned. For DIY NAS there's some older LSI cards that are getting CHEAP these days that do 6GB SAS and 12GB SAS and can do SATA as well if you want to roll with new cheap drives. I picked one up that'll do 4 drives on it's single port and has 2x100GB of eMLC flash onboard for cache. It's almost 10 years old, costs 1/100th of it's original price, and Windows picked it up immediately and the BIOS setup shows 100% health on the flash cache. Too cool! I might pickup a card with more ports that's lacking the eMLC cache since I don't really need that it just looked fun to play with.

[@nofreenamestoreg]

For those simple requirements (e.g. no VMs, Dockers, iScsi, etc. ), I would take out-of-the-box solution any day of the week. It is cheaper, easier to support down the line, way more power efficient, same reliability and more compact....

[@scsirob]

Nice video. I'd have made a few different choices but that's the beauty of home building. Everyone can build to their own specs. Note on your performance test: When you wrote 16GB and were surprised about the speed of the HDDs, your HDDs were actually idle. All 16GB went strait to memory cache. TrueNAS will use all remaining memory to cache data before writing to disk. So the true performance of your HDDs will not be apparent until you exceed the memory of your NAS.

[@KirbyTheKirby]

the rackmount cases from Sliger have been making a home NAS very tempting for a while

[@justinyoung5348]

Just bought a CX4728 (not listed on their website, but it's just a deeper CX47xx), and it should be here tomorrow pretty excited to get it set up and figure out how best to cool it and exhaust heat.

[@jeremytine]

Sliger cases are nothing special... Poor actually for a nas, no drive backplane. For the price of their case you can buy a used enterprise server. I bought a pair of Dell t320s years ago with 8 bay sas backplane and 96gb ram each for like $800(for both). They are still going strong. Replacement parts are cheap. Nothing against Sliger I own 2 of their desktop cases

[@justinyoung5348]

@@jeremytine Their NAS specific case(s) have a 10 drive SATA backplane. I would have gone with one of the newer 5 or 6U cases Silverstone is coming out with, but they haven't released a timeline.

[@jeremytine]

@@justinyoung5348 correct me if I'm wrong, but I looked at the CX4712 and it says direct wired, or aka no PCB backplane. Nor do I see any PCB in photos of case insides. Wired cable hot swap isn't the same. And you can still get a mostly complete used dell server with sas backplane, CPU, mb, ram, hba for the same price. For a nas, an older Dell that is way more tested seems like a much better value.

[@jeremytine]

@@justinyoung5348 so when you get your cx4278 please report back how they manage to stabilize the loose sata/power cables to simulate a hot swap backplane, because without seeing it, it just sounds janky. Not trolling, seriously curious.

[@Cr4zyB4st4rd]

I have this case for my nas. I found that under a lot of load the fan setup isnt great and drives got quite warm. My solution was to take two old fan frames and use them as ducts on both intakes and with some foam on the back of the fans they seal up against the drive bays much better. If i was going to do it now I'm sure a 3d printer and some planning could get a nicer solution, but mine has been running for 10 years or so now without any problems.

[@PhilJohn1980]

Those Asrock Rack boards are fantastic for home servers - I ended up getting the C246 WSI which has an i3 9100T 25W part, which supports EEC (although UDIMM, which are more of a pain to get hold of) and luckily had 8 SATA sports (4 physical, 4 via OcuLink). I went with a 2U short depth rack mount case to go into my network cabinet, and so I removed the required 12V pins from the 24 PIN ATX, reterminated them into a 4pin molex connector and only ran those, which saved a heap of space for the 24 pin cable and the included adapter.

[@scabbynack]

Only having it on occasionally, you'll want to make sure it's able to complete data scrubbing cycles ~once a month, especially with drives that size. Great vidya!

[@mr.bigmangames]

For 4-5 HDD You could use a Jonsbo NAS cases that are much more compact and nicer

[@someawesome7984]

Yeap, and for 8 HDD they have N3 already.

[@der8auer-en]

I didn't even know about them. Just checked and they indeed look really cool. Will remember that- thanks!

[@dobermanownerforlife3902]

I'm still rocking a Node 304. A bit bulky. If I had a 3d printer, the mods they are making are legit.

[@almostmatt1tas]

I built myself a NAS a few weeks ago after thinking about it and putting it off for a couple of years and it is wonderful, I really wish I had done it sooner!

[@converse1729]

same. i buildt my nas 9 months ago and i regret it havn´t buildt it years before. it´s running 15h/d on win 11 :´D it´s just a network storage for me and my wife and we´re happy. it will cost around 70/year electricity...not so bad for a 6TB "cloud" (two 6tb drives in windows storage pool) :D

[@Yuriel1981]

Roman! Scale is so much more than a NAS. It is really a basic hypervisor with built in apps and docker capabilities run by kubernetes. Increase your RAM to that 64 gigs and run a Jellyfin sever or PI hole or even a VPN sever/client. I've been learning it for the past year or so and I'm just a normal Gamer. It has been really awesome learning it and the Debian Linux behind it. Plus there is an amazingly supportive community behind it as well as IX systems having a basic open source policy for development of the apps and containers on it.

[@MrHakisak]

I have to say that I've been fiddling with Truenas for the past 2 weeks and outside of super simple NAS use; Truenas is THE WORST. Everything is incomplete and unfinished. The docs are utterly useless as a guide because they try to explain things but never provide examples or recommendations. The community sucks a lot, most threads never get resolved or they just link another thread to TNcore. KZbin tutorials never go in depth to teach you ways to do things (you'll never find a tutorial over 30mins) The experience has been a nightmare.

[@mycosys]

tried proxmox yet? Also debian but a full virtualisation platform as well as the container support and some standard deploys

[@Yuriel1981]

@mycosys as I am only running a small home lab with a few containers. It seemed unnecessary when scale could handle it. I did look at Proxmox though. Amazing system.

[@TheNikwad]

Happy to see some server-content, always fun for some reason. DS380 has a problem with high temp on the hdd. So i would recommend that you create/add/print a fan shroud that will force the intake fans to blow through the hdd cage, otherwise the air will just blow past them without providing any cooling. There are plenty of designs and guides if you google.

[@derekdal5185]

I put a foam baffle to block off the path to MB and force air through the HDDs, worked great

[@TheNikwad]

@@derekdal5185 i did something similair for my build. Used a piece of cardboard that i cut from the box it came in and some duct tape. Worked a treat for me too.

[@denvera1g1]

One thing i've liked to do recently is, instead of SSD servers, is get HDDs and optane(which works with AMD when used by NAS OSes) I have a 160TB RAW 112TB usable HDD NAS, i have 4 of the 118GB Optane drives that i use as read and write cache, but i also have 2 of the 960GB 905P drives for special metadata(i plan to reverse this in the future, 4x960GB for read/write with 3x118GB for special metadata) The specialmetadata drives REALLY speed up the sense of snappiness.

[@zazelskycrest2525]

Hi, may I know which Nas OS that work with optane? Also, do you have some guide or on using Optane for NAS and the special metadata?

[@denvera1g1]

@@zazelskycrest2525 I am using TrueNAS Scale, however most OSes can use optane, even windows as long as you use a 3rd party software like primo cache. The Level 1 Forums are a good place to go for Optane info, and i think they may even have a few videos on the subject.

[@VerdASMR]

My nas setup is a raspberry pi 400 running OMV with two 500GB SSDs, one being a backup of the other. Has been running with no hiccups for like 500 days. Consumes a miniscule amount of power, i measured it but cant recall exactly.

[@XDSDDLord]

You should always have your operating system on a ZFS mirror. The best way to do this is with two good USB 3 drives. FreeNAS does very little; it doesn't need an SSD, let alone a fast one, to work; all the work is done on the storage drives. If you don't feel comfortable using USB drives, at least put in a second cheap SSD. A common way commercial solutions do it when they don't want the OS outside is to use internal USB ports or SATA DOM sticks (which are basically USB drives over SATA).

[@N0N0111]

3:29 Hope to see more SilverStone brand placement, they were a bit shy on advertisements but they make good products!

[@caspermartens]

DerCat as tech support

[@peterbratu]

The IPMI port is usually bridged to the 10G ports, so you can still access the remote management portal.

[@kevinh5024]

Thanks for putting your videos out there for us. Some say its not “perfect”, I dont care. Still enjoyable to watch. Like explainations you give.

[@TurboJailer]

You'll want to replace that SATA card with a proper HBA in IT mode for long term reliability as others have stated. You also might want to address the cooling issues this case has as others have suggested so you're not cooking your hard drives causing premature failure. Also with the wonky memory management in TrueNAS scale you'll only have 16GB of the 32GB available for ARC which may end up causing some performance issues if you are editing directly off the NAS so you may want to up that to 64GB. Memory is cheap so best to do it now while it's cost effective. There's a lot of good information and helpful/knowledgeable people available on the TrueNAS forums to point you in the right direction if you need help with anything. Nice job on the video, thanks for sharing your build.

[@someawesome7984]

Silverstone make good, but in some things very outdated cases. For such a build I would reccomend Jonsbo N2 (White!), which is more elegant, well thought-out and made from aluminium. If you need all 8 HDD - then Jonsbo N3.

[@vamwolf]

Get a ups!!! Also tip is mark date of install. For battery health life span . Also stagger offline back up to. Incase you get lock out due to ransom ware.

[@arch1107]

you are assuming he doesnt have a ups

[@Labombab]

Nice video, a nice addition would be to add a used parts list and price inidications.

[@LucaFiltroMan]

Came for the build, stayed for the cat ❤

[@directhex]

A friend and I have recently been working on VERY similar NAS projects, using Asrock Rack's X570D4I-2T, an AM4 equivalent to what you bought, paired with the Ryzen 5 Pro 5650GE 6-core 35W part. It also has two OCuLink 4i ports, so can run 8 drives without add-in cards

[@ABaumstumpf]

13:36 - "and with a speed of 250 - 300 gigabyte"😵‍💫

[@finbenton]

SSD cache drive would be great on this.

[@thaywiz_gwar]

Cat. I came for tech, I stayed for cat.

[@timgreen591]

Nice, i had the same issue needed a backup of my backup i.e if you don’t have a backup of your backup, you don’t have a backup. Used the same case, i5 intel cpu a sata port extension to give 5 mor ports installed/migrated true nas nvme from old hardware and walla. Extra storage for backup nas…

[@Nobe_Oddy]

WOW that looked really simple to setup... GOOD JOB!!! And the fact that you get about 250-300MB/s (you said GB/s btw lol) that's faster than what I get copying files from my HDD to my Gen4x4 nvme SSD lol - AWESOME WORK!

[@pondracek]

Your hard drive is only one drive. Roman has, depending on parity strategy, 2-4x your hard drives. And data having pointers to blocks scattered at on the drives to write as they come is the most natural of fits, so the sequential speed scales linearly.

[@magnusvaudane9450]

Just something to be aware of, nand loses its data over extended power outages. Even though you'll only be firing it up to use once every few months, probably good to boot it up once a month for a scrub to keep the nand cells fresh too.

[@mitcHELLOworld]

What are you talking about? His HDD array? Or his boot drive lol

[@fteoOpty64]

Welcome to the NAS world, Roman!. The 10G ethernet ports are the best selling point of this board. However, Some would just be happy with 2.5G ethernet. In my case, I have a X4 Card housing 4 port 2.5G . I am running Xpengnology DSM 7.1 on a 12core/24thread Xeon with 64GB RAM under ProxMos. If you use DSM 7, you can automatically backup main NAS to second NAS without hassle. That is the benefit plus all the other apps you can house on it including Surveillance Station!.

[@erhanozaydin853]

For anyone raid 5ing, I got some advice from bad experience. When the HD Drives get towards end of life, they tend to give SMART errors all at similar times. When you get the first SMART error, replace the faulty drive immediately with a new one. Reconstruction of data takes a looooong time, more than a day (possibly a few). The anxiety of waiting to reconstruct your data makes it feel like it takes much longer. Then you should assume that all drives are lost and change the rest of the drives one by one. Doing that work can take more than a week (please use a UPS) and you should pray no catastrophic failures happen in that duration. The problem with modern HDD's is that the read/write speeds are too low for their capacity. The real demo might be a dry run of how much a reconstruction scenario would take before any real data is placed in this system when/if the push comes to the shove. Raid 10 reconstructs faster, because there are less XOR operations. You could withstand to more drive losses, losing just 14 TB. The real shocker for me in this video is that , I knew Germans hybridized wolfs with dogs but hybridizing a cat with a tiger was a blasphemy man!

[@Fractal_32]

My only recommendations would be buying a proper HBA that is flashed to IT mode and buy more smaller capacity drives for the same capacity. Additionally make sure you have a few spare hard drives on hand for when your drives die. You buy smaller capacity dives so if a drive dies in your pool the time it takes to rebuild the data is less since the capacity is smaller. (Writing data at 250MB/s to five 4TB drives will be faster than writing to two 10TB drives in the event of a drive failure.) Wendell from Level1Techs has taught me a ton and I want to make sure I pass on what I’ve learned to others so they don’t make the same mistakes as me. (I bought four 12TB drives for fun and then I learned how long it took to build my RAID 5 array: 1000 minutes, if I went with more smaller drives it would have been done substantially faster.)

[@luiserasmo]

4:45 That's a big chonky cat! (beautiful)

[@nadtz]

I rebuilt my little 2 system homelab with a completely overkill Epyc system for the PCIE slots and BMC as well (full ATX board in a Fractal Define R5 though). So nice having a relatively modern board with recent IPMI that I don't need an old version of Java to access. As others have mentioned the SATA card might be a problem, but iirc occulink > sata cables are pretty inexpensive if you do run into problems or of course you could just grab an LSI HBA flashed to IT mode off ebay. Even with cables they can be had pretty cheap. That transfer speed was actually pretty slow, if you were going from > to 10G even without tweaking anything you should be seeing higher speeds unless the system you were transferring from was reading from a couple spinning disks.

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Shiek, Makita & Roman, My storage is in a CoolerMaster N300 Case, it supports 1x 2.5 SSD, 8x 3.5" HDD & 2x ODD, OS is on 128GB SSD & using 3x 6TB & 5x 4TB HDDs as a back up for archiving old Home videos I have Edited for Family & Friends. I am just using W10 as the Mob had an Activated Key while hardware is i3-3220 + ASRock Z77Professional Fatal1ty (10 Sata Ports) + 8GB DDR3-1300 which were just bits & pieces leftover when doing upgrades over the years so thought I give them something to do rather than buying new parts or a NAS as they still work fine.

[@kevinleptons8818]

I do not use a NAS at all. I just have a general purpose server where I do coding, compiling, and testing. However, I like the building and these hardware parts .

[@s0mveraa]

I bet your sand/snow castles/forts as a kid were gigantic with a few extra moats and stuff like that ..... "gonna turn it on for only a few days a year and leave it alone" he says, puts a 512 gb ssd in as the boot drive... brother !

[@sayeedalsifat1308]

I was also looking into building my own NAS myself but my old motherboard and cpu is dead so gotta look it some time later

[@darknessblades]

For the PSU I would recommend using the redundant atx PSU "FSP Twins "

[@ZleFox]

talking about overkill PSU :D

[@shephusted2714]

1 backup is not enough - you need two - and for small and medium biz concerns this is even more vital - 10g is good - networking is the weakest link, 2 raid10 with ssd is enough for most and it is cheaper to expand plus more reliable, less power and no moving parts plus much faster, use raid1 for the os drive, image raids to usb hdd regularly - you may goto nvme since they have price parity with ssd, also you can use bonding or bridging 10g or goto 40g - 40g cards are cheap and reliable - dual port 40g is 40 bucks - no switch needed just direct connect from ws to dual nas

[@qlum]

General wisdom with raids for a while is to keep 2 redundant drivers at least. Simply because the chances of a failure while rebuilding are pretty large. That being said an effective backup strategy is more important. If the nas is a total loss all relevant data should still be at two different physical locations ideally.

[@joemarais7683]

I have that case. It’s an actual nightmare to deal with. I hope you are able to keep the general heat under control and you never have to do maintenance on the thing.

[@gabest4]

The motherboard was overkill, but it looks used, so I am not sure about the real cost :)

[@MrCharkteeth]

How did you get your hands on that board? The only one i could find was over $500

[@methlonstorm2027]

great case been using one for along time now only downside is if u have an m.2 on the back of the motherboard there is no air flow ( i made a vent for mine and that solved that problem)

[@yobb89]

do you have a link to the mobo and case ? also no kitty pats ?

[@1NIGHTMAREGAMER]

id recommend doing a deprecation of old videos where you put rlly old videos on your hdd nas and keep newer videos on ssd nas it so you can free up space on your ssd nas

[@petrsehnal7990]

Very cool case!

[@Chris-on3vc]

I have a lot of data also. My objective is to economically back up my NAS. I backup my data directly to sata drives in a usb removable drive device where i can just plug in the drives easily. Each project can then be saved to disk, the disks stored off site. There in no additional hardware required complicated duplication of nas hardware waste of energy or having to fix more hardware. The external disks are the equivalent of tapes only more practical and longer lasting. That being said I didn't learn any new technology or get any new cool hardware to play with but what was the objective of the exercise backup data in a simple way because when the shit hits the fan I don't want to think just act. Cheers and thanks .

[@ShadeAssault]

Heh, just filled up my NAS too. Ordered a pair of used enterprise 4TB drives to hold me over until I build a new box. Currently running Unraid but want to move to ProxMox and TrueNAS. My old AMD FX-8150 will finally be retired for good once I build that box.

[@ambientnaturally]

I like orange cats. I've had two. One was named 'Orange', the other one was 'Big Orange'.

[@shortwaverPL]

TrueNAS Scale - excellent choice

[@BackOnElectone]

What is the model number of the ASRock mothoerboard? I can't find it in their website, thanks!

[@FARBerserker]

Is the fan in the rear intake or out? If it is in as well, you could just have ducted from there onto the CPU Heat Sink right?

[@der8auer-en]

out. In on the side towards the HDDs and exhaust for warm air

[@peterleon7101]

Very cute kitten. Thanks!

[@N0N0111]

Thank god you didn't ask Linus for help!

[@thereverant5203]

For my NAS, I went to a much cheaper but still extremely effective route: Asrock X570D4U mainboard (still with IPMI but takes standard AM4 processors!) with Ryzen 5700X (no GPU needed due to IPMI), Broadcom SAS 9300-8i adapter in HBA mode (software RAID5), 8x serial ATA SSDs and finally a used Dell SFP28 25GBps capable network card.

[@darvamehleran786]

also Ryzen without GPU or Ryzens with PRO suffix supports UDIMM ECC memory

[@niyamimbi1179]

wanted to do a nas-ish thing here, got my eyes ona b550m-vc, has 8 SATA, 2x m2-all of these work at the same time- and usual PCIe expansion slots of b550, coupled with a cheap 2nd hand ryzen on an old office case, need it mostly for redundancy, and alls in a box

[@WutipongWongsakuldej]

I built a simple NAS/server that’s still running today. I was trying NAS OS at first, but revert back to Linux build as I find those NAS OS annoying to manage. Basically containerized service acts like a separated machine whereas I have to hook them to ZeroTier separately ( and the limit of that network is 25…). My server is an old gen 4 core i7 build with a Chia-era case (remember those crypto craze on storage drive ??). The drives are 7 4TB drive in madden RAID6 configuration (2 parity drives).

[@thevoid6756]

It doesn't matter how many drives you have in your NAS, they're still all in one place. Look into 3-2-1 for a basic backup method that's much safer.

[@dobermanownerforlife3902]

Petting a cat during building can transfer static build up....

[@arch1107]

you do know that esd is not the horrible monster everyone says it is and that a wriststrap properly installed wont make things harder? add to it a properly grounded mat and your conerns wont matter

[@juliangrinblat955]

interesting, I have a very similar setup, same case, only I went with the EPYC3251D4I-2T I was wondering how to attach a fan to it, been running it fanless for a while Did you just run those zip ties under the heatsink and tighten it? Is it required to remove the heatsink to mount it that way? I was also thinking about trying 3d printed mounts I found in some forum, and trying to attach one of the low-profile noctua NH-L12S there, but worry that it'll not clear the drive cage then...

[@serbomontanien]

Taking a long time to use an ISO from the KVM console is an asrock rack thing with that Aspeed BMC

[@mp0011]

I build my cheap NAS on HP z230 SFF with i3. Small and quiet, two HDD inside + one in additional in a swapable case. Works good enough to saturate 2.5Gbps lan. Everything under 50$

[@zMeul]

I went with TrueNAS CORE, SCALE is a mixed bag trying to do many things at once

[@stephenxs8354]

one is freebsd based the other debian based

[@ledoynier3694]

which isn't relevant here since he only does storage :P

[@zMeul]

@@ledoynier3694 storage is better on CORE

[@Ian_Carolan]

Freebsd with ecc ram plus zfs if you care about your data. It has never failed me so far, even with multiple hardware failures all data has remained intact.

[@TenFoot]

7:06 cat tax ❤

[@mamdouh-Tawadros]

Thank you for a new thing you are showing everyone. You have chosen wisely the hardware except for the M2 NVMe! You could have chosen a Samsung one since you will not have parity for the booting device. But the build is aesthetically pleasing and tidy. Thank you.

[@der8auer-en]

Thanks :)

[@TaiwanIsOurCountry]

Could you provide the asrock main board part number or something that I can buy it. Because I can see this on asrock web

[@kevinpedersen5290]

a lot of people in the comment section missed the part where he said he'd only use it a few times a year. Y'all give great advice, but cmon, he doesn't need enterprise grade equipment for 1000's of dollars just to do annual backups.

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

One can never have enough RAM or storage... I remember when IBM put out their first PC(yep, I'm old), and they said that no one will ever need more than 64K of RAM... Amazing, ain't it? ;-)

[@Nosity_]

Id love to know how long it would take to rebuild one of those drives after a failure, I know that people prefer to use more smaller capacity drives because it has less time where you would be in a position that a drive failure may result in data loss

[@orfeous]

4-6TB is the sweetspot

[@SeasonsOfMists]

Its great you went for the ipmi, you could script remote activation of the nas for backup then shutdown. Interesting you went for the Toshiba drives based on price a few months ago i update mine with the 18Tbs the price point has already moved on!

[@LesNewell]

That's pretty much what I did with my HP Microserver. It wakes up at 10PM every day, backs up my main server then goes back to sleep. It's been a couple of years since I built it but if I remember correctly the sleep script waits for at least 5 minutes with no disk activity and CPU load below a certain percentage before shutting down. I use IPMI to wake it at other times because the machine itself is buried in a barn some distance from the building my server is in.

[@565paolo]

I suggest you sometimes turn the NAS on just to let ZFS scrub the drives and check/repair corrupted files

[@temp50]

I saw the title -> Instant like :)

[@Do_High_Go]

You could get even better speed if you set up Arc and L2 Arc so your ram and SSD can be used as HDD cache, tho it might already be on for L1 RAM cache, having also L2 is still a great speed boost for HDDs.

[@aeonikus1]

I was about to say that he can get better performance with arc and l2 arc caching mechanism.

[@nadtz]

Most people misunderstand how caching works with ZFS. If you want to speed up writes you would want to add a ZIL device (for sync writes) or more likely tweak other ZFS settings, not tweak ARC (or L2 ARC) which are used for reads.

[@reasonss0fak1ngwut]

How do you set up all the drives to run in raid

[@EminemLovesGrapes]

There's nothing wrong with buying something like Synology, DSM is really good. Of course if your use case gets more advaced, or you just want to learn or whatever DIY'ing can be a good alternative.

[@DiyintheGhetto]

What is the model of that board please?

[@Thisandthat8908]

you'd think a certain long time server hoster would over some space to him...

[@Lishtenbird]

That should be the 3rd component of his "3-2-1" setup.

[@EvganyVorona]

Cat is HUGE!

[@s4091boat]

If you just want to keep the date maybe try tape storage instead of hard drives

[@ShaneBro]

How did the fins on the embedded CPU get bent?