Bae responds to the Speculation on Fauna's Graduation (and recent ones)

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[@aXsEpsilon769]

"Mumei is ok" thanks bae

[@duckyboy4329]

I think we all collectively forgot how much "civilization duties" get stressful AF this time of year

[@stephenvargas5806]

She wouldn’t say otherwise even if she wasn’t. Take it with a grain of salt she’s most likely next.

[@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932]

@@stephenvargas5806 I feel like if Mumei was going to leave, she would have done so a while ago.

[@darthrevan1225]

​@@stephenvargas5806 if this is your takeaway after hearing these words from Bae - y'know, genmate of both Fauna and Mumei who definitely has the most well-informed opinion out of anybody else involved and certainly more informed than us outsiders - then you did not pay attention to what she actually said.

[@stephenvargas5806]

@@darthrevan1225lol yes it my take away from watching Hololive for years. THEY LIE. Bae just gave you PR speak. Of course she’s going to tell you “mumei is ok” what else will she tell you. Mumei is next? She just told you they knew fauna was leaving way before it was announced. They aren’t going to tell you if someone isn’t ok. They never have.

[@Pitester]

Fauna needs 62k subscribers to get to 1M before graduation so that she can get a plaque. Go subscribe so that she can get a plaque before she graduates.

[@straumboney1903]

Hell naw, I ain't propping up a soft quitter.

[@andrewadhiatma7037]

​@@straumboney1903Soft quitter my arse. Wait until soneday you got screwed by your own workplace.

[@TheWes301201]

I think she gonna have to take that L. She got a month.

[@blizzard1198]

These replies funny

[@blizzard1198]

What if hololive just takes the plaque

[@Lord_Alzorn]

Being a Sanallite that was taken in by the Saplings... man this is a rough timeline

[@Dreadnote-pf7of]

But hey... now your two oshi-s could collab together in their izekai-after-Hololive life

[@ClubbingSealCub]

you can just become a lemon now

[@ironclad9498]

my condolensces man

[@EternalSanallite]

This is what i was talking about. The saplings along with mother Fauna takes us in and comfort us for our losses. Then this happens. What to do when our cure of comfort is also gone? I was taken by saplings and chattini & now chattini are my only place to go😢

[@zy2239]

At this point you should stop watching Hololive… in the recent share sale that Yagoo did when hololive when public he only got 30% of shares, which means that Hololive will never be the same any more (unless Yagoo manages to get 51% or more shares ) 😢😢😢

[@askatamvan1054]

"I'm still happy being here." This sentence is such a reassurance for us to hear.

[@Khosichilla]

Fauna was too and look what happened to her

[@XeroMaverick]

Of course she is. Shes benefitting from the changes at cover while those leaving are not.

[@PoyStar]

It's bitter sweet for me, I'm sure she's happy being around friends and other idols but you must be blind to think that management isn't failing to satisfy their talents with how many graduations we've been getting...

[@DiePinky]

Ah yes because they absolutely wouldnt fk her over if she said the truth that cover is bs. Unironically how much of a naive fking brainlet are you?

[@_PixelPie_]

fr

[@gundamboy1138]

I'm glad a lot of members have addressed this, but hearing from a genmate like Bae is a little more comforting. I hope Promise will be alright without their precious Kirin 🫂

[@topazokenni4869]

And the irony is, they will have a concert called "The Broken Promise"😢

[@mimoyfalcon2153]

​@@topazokenni4869the december musical?

[@PoyStar]

Don't worry, this is only the beginning

[@_PixelPie_]

Yeah

[@BeforeON3]

​@@topazokenni4869u sounds like fauna the one who broke her promise.

[@enju3588]

The fact that Bae said they've known for a while made me at ease because now we know she didn't decide to graduate out of nowhere

[@lyq232]

That would just be wild

[@MidoriMae]

Fauna doesn't seem like the type to do that under normal circumstances. But her phrasing do seem well thought through and is loaded with stuff between the lines. We're not to speculate but I do think in her own way, she's giving us the heads up. I'm not trying to jinx anything but we should prepare ourselves for more members that prefer similar things to her follow the same path. I think that might be what fauna was trying to bring out along with her announcement. The reality is that cover is a listed company now and that means liability to share holders.. which also means employees need to conform more.

[@bluebabble1257]

Bae has already mentioned before that in general, hololive talents know when a graduation is happening in advance. It just might seem like a surprise even to the talents themselves because although they know that someone is leaving they're not told when the exact announcement will drop.

[@Mournlied]

@@MidoriMae I wish people would understand that already, stop blaming the small fish, is the people putting the money the ones who want to be in control and make changes.

[@Marf69Marf69]

@@bluebabble1257 they know a rough time period, mentioned with Myth and Ame, and Jp members. They are told in advance to get the emotions out ahead early to prepare for a warm send off at the very end. The exact date doesn't really happen until management solidifies it or if the talent pursues a quicker deadline. But they do know like "hey in a few months I will be leaving hololive" kinda talk that happens in private. They are only shocked because, like Kiara said before, you know it's gunna happen but you dont wanna believe that it will until it ACTUALLY happens, then it really hits you right then and there. Everyone is different with this situation though; like how Kanata was for Aqua, she balled her eyes out everyday for months despite knowing.

[@judemathpopedude9830]

I’m glad bae said this. This has helped with the general anxiety surrounding not knowing what’s going on behind the scenes.

[@kindred6453]

Yeah despite the fact she said she was uncomfortable trying to explain the situation. I think she did a good job with just managing worry and reassurance. I'm glad to have heard this from bae as well.

[@XeroMaverick]

Nah if anything this reinforces the anxiety im feeling. Not everyone wants to be an idol and Cover is moving towards doing more Idol content. So those like Baw who want to be an Idol are benefitting and those who dont fall to the way side.

[@Burzum831]

@@XeroMaverick go outside and touch some grass. vtubers shouldn't have this much of an effect on your life that you're having anxiety issues. It's not the end of the world

[@_PixelPie_]

fr!!

[@DijiEva]

@@XeroMaverick fauna also didn’t say she didn’t want to do Idol content. She actually said the opposite

[@mongrelshadow14]

Very thankful for Bae talking about this but also her giving a different perspective that isn't diminishing anyone's feelings on the situation. It really is what it is and things are rough. But things will be okay, we got a month left with dear Fauna and Chloe. And we got so much more time with our other treasures. Make the most of your time

[@sparko9662]

Chat be like "Haha Bae is crying" meanwhile they are also crying :')

[@Jokoko2828]

"Haha, you're crying, I'm not crying" -said someone who's crying

[@bjornsteelside]

I'm going to be heartless but truthful here. I'm only sad that collaborations end. The vtuber themselves will be just fine. I think she already has her own model prepared.

[@Laksul]

Honestly same. It sucks that she's leaving, but I know where she's going afterwards, it isn't that bad. The only sad part is them not being able to collab anymore. But hey! We might get a Fauna Sana collab if we're lucky or something idk.

[@I_saw_that956]

True, I’m just curious about the nature of the changes as a nosy person. there had to be a sharp change at some point given the flux of grads, or maybe it’s just a contract period thing.

[@simonsoupshark8009]

@@I_saw_that956 i suspect its contract periods thing given that her last stream is just after new years

[@ccg2301]

​​​@@I_saw_that956 Seeing as Cover/Hololive already has future projects in progress in a global scale. I'm thinking the members that are backing out, doesn't want to or can't participate in such events that will require them to constantly travel to other countries for work. 🤔

[@I_saw_that956]

@@ccg2301 that’s a good thought, global travel definitely isn’t for everyone especially for business. Just moving around the us during my dad’s service was annoying, can’t imagine being shipped around the globe repeatedly.

[@FrozunLightning]

If Bae is still happy with Hololive, then I can be, too. Fauna was my #1 top watched streamer this past year so of course it hurts. But let's try to stay calm and support Fauna and trust her to do what is best for herself. And maybe what's best for her is not the same as what's best for the other girls. So for the next month let's at least try to put on a smile and enjoy every time we can until January 3rd. If you ever played earthbound/mother, let's try to stay strong and remember, "No crying until the end."

[@deadlishaoran]

Let's start praying.

[@javierflores09]

I personally don't care anymore. Fauna and Mori are my favorite holo EN members, and now one of them is gone because the company wants "change", I respect that however I am just done with Hololive. I won't get invested in talents which will just be gone every time the company feels like changing so for me at least, while I will continue watching Mori streams, spending a single dime on supporting the current direction will not be part of my plans for the foreseeable future, and I'm sure I am not the only one feeling this way. Hopefully we are getting the worst of it now and they make adjustments in accordance, so that the remaining members can at least be on the safer side.

[@setojinro]

@@javierflores09 Yea...a company should always prioritize it's employees. Sadly I think the shareholders have gotten a lot of power over hololive's future. While hololive has outwardly treated employees well for a most part, you don't know what is happening behind closed doors. Ame and Fauna are/were huge to HoloEN. I don't want to say the golden days of hololive are over but...someone else can do that for me.. The thing is that Ame, Fauna, Aqua, ect have been in the company for years now so the recent disagreements over "changes" don't appear positive toward the talents imo at least.

[@xKatsune]

At least we can continue to watch Fauna in her next life as an indie. I already subscribed and will be there to support her. Shes amazing and deserves all the support. Anyone that is my oshi, will remain my oshi, even after they become indie.

[@_PixelPie_]

YEAH FR

[@sansnom5269]

We love our emotional Rat. Somehow, her constantly stumbling and stuttering words make it feel way more genuine. Its reassuring to see her being honest intead of just going for one generic PR announcement.

[@NeuronActivation]

Im glad that everyone is talking about this situation and all the speculation. Fauna is leaving drama free and thats the important part.

[@chilfang2422]

so drama free bozos are trying to make drama

[@aurious5821]

Fauna made it clear it was not being a idol or streaming that caused her to leave, it was management, if people gloss over that and think nothing is wrong then we are heading in the same direction as Nijisanji

[@isaiascanete6651]

@@aurious5821 Maybe stirring that way but not deep enough to crash so let's wait and see how things go. No need to be all over fatalist about it

[@korsekil]

Ehh, I wouldn't call it drama-free. Maybe she didn't intend drama, but there's a lot of responses comparing Cover and Anycolor now and basically dragging Yagoo / Cover through the mud.

[@holoshrimping]

​@@aurious5821 remember... "management" is a very... BROAD term... can be their manager... the ofice managerial staff. And so on... The good thing is she is leaving in good notes... Every job change deals with non pleasent things...

[@zafranorbian757]

Bae says she is not good at this, but honestly this was the most reashuring awnser she could have given.

[@KnightofAges]

And then she proceeded to complain how insanely overflooded with work she is and has been for months, with no end in sight...

[@ScipioMassimo]

@@KnightofAges I mean, to be fair, she scheduled all that on herself and admitted on this same stream that she put off working on things until the last minute because she thought she'd have time later lol. At least according to the others in EN, they can essentially turn down almost any offer for joining projects or extra work. So as far as I can tell, that narrative people keep bringing up isn't accurate.

[@Candlemancer]

​@@KnightofAges It's been stated repeatedly by multiple talents that any work they do beyond streaming is by choice. The fact that they are all very ambitious people who often bite off more than they can chew is not a failure of management, who by all accounts frequently encourage the talent to take breaks and not jump on every project that comes their way.

[@BDK86]

I'm not a fan of change in my own life. But I totally understand what Bae is saying.

[@neonlight112]

then you'll never grow

[@Black-Eye]

same here, but in one point I disagree with Bae. It is really important that the growth is healthy and also there is a limit to it. Some times it is better to be happy with that what you have instead to keep growing for every price. We don't have the insider knowledge to know if there is still room for a healthy growth and I hope they don't overestimate them self. On top I'm really wondering why they did let Fauna go like that because in my eyes she was one of the figureheads of HoloEN (maybe I overestimate her role as a pebble/sapling). At least they should have tried to postpone it because lets be honest HoloEN isn't in such a great shape atm (Ame left recently, Gura is nowhere to be found, Mumei & Ina are also not there) + Chloe's announcement.

[@salazar1211]

​@Black-Eye if they have kept Fauna, she would've been unhappy. Like you said, just because she's a figurehead in *your* eyes, does not necessarily make it true for anyone else. I doubt that they'll postpone change just because one or two people are not comfortable with change of direction they're going to. Now, thays not dismissing the fact that maybe it's not affecting other members because maybe it is, but we may never really know. The only thing we have is speculation. You also have to remember, that in end of the day, Cover is still a Company, and will move foward with things that others may disagree with, which is fine. Not everyone has to accept it and may deal with it in different ways. Sorry if this was long to read lol.

[@lunawense6288]

​@Black-Eye Imo it felt a little bit odd, feels very nijisanji to have talents defend company decisions on stream like that but I'm sure it's not like that

[@mareizia]

Change comes with pain but damn this feels worse than my own break up sometime

[@screemingnott]

These past graduations made me realize that the saddest part is not them going away, but rather the empty spot they leave in Hololive. Because we know they can always choose to come back in the internet, and resume streaming like always. And if not, we know that they're much much happier after leaving a job that was no longer ideal for them. But you can't deny that lingering feeling that this person is missing from a certain place.

[@Feanor1988bis]

While I kind of understand the reason for the secrecy, it's hard to get closure when you don't really know what is going on, and in a way that is where most of the hurt comes from.

[@hendrysuawa]

Agree

[@ScipioMassimo]

Completely agree with you there and it's sucks, but sadly that's how it works. To be brutally honest, we're not really entitled to know I suppose. It's some kind of disagreement between a person and their job, and while we feel like we're close enough to them that we should know everything that's going on, we're literally strangers on the internet. It's like thinking you're entitled to know why a show isn't getting renewed. Or why a specific actor was written off of the latest season. I guess it's just the parasocial nature of the situation that makes people so upset.

[@mattandrews2594]

We do "know" what's going on though, in a open secret sort of way. The industry wants to move away from streaming and much more into idol content. And a lot of members are not going to be happy with that. I can see Gura being the next big name to go.

[@Insane_Kane]

Unless its something mega personal i dont understand not sharing. "Fauna did not like Y and we are focusing on Y right now so we are parting ways" Yes people will be angry because this is the internet but right now everyones speculating and throwing around blame instead.

[@ExpertPlasma]

@@Insane_KaneTypically if you resign from your job due to disagreement with your bosses / management, those reasons stay private. Hololive is no different there. There’s an assumption seemingly from everyone that Fauna can’t say anymore, and that might be true, but it’s just as possible she doesn’t *want* to say anything more either. I certainly wouldn’t tell the whole world specific disagreements I’d had with my bosses.

[@Scoobies646]

Good on Bae. She said what we all thought and handled it well

[@nyankrauss]

it feels like a heartbreak, like someone you loved breaks up with you, and it's not your fault, they just don't feel like continuing this relationship is possible for ever more :'3

[@meisterl0]

Take me back to Enreco week! Jokes a side stay strong y'all and give her the best month as Fauna.

[@HudaefCares]

Fauna's graduation is making me think of that 13 reasons why song ngl, the one that goes "take me back to the night met".

[@zyxaqc]

Bruh, take me back to August 2020, when Gen 5 had just debuted, Myth was just around the corner, and I was a starryeyed new fan full of joy and excitement.

[@luisochoa576]

Lamy's reaction to Fauna graduating was completely wiped from the internet btw. And I think it's because in it she makes a huge revelation: "We are no longer able to talk about our health-issues". This appears to be a recent change, because they were able to talk about them before. For example we knew about Miko's condition and about Nene, Laplus and Chloe's throat issues. But Lamy stated they're categorically forbidden to do so now. This means they hide their problems until they can't. The reason management told Lamy to say is: "if we talk about it, the fans will worry". But I think anyone with a brain knows the real reason is because it would make management look awful if we knew how bad the girls health deteriorated and how many of them are getting sick.

[@feduwtc]

hi, could would please show me when she said this? Ive been doing some research and people were just saying that she basically said the same thing as bae

[@luisochoa576]

@feduwtc All the videos have been mysteriously erased as I said. Before you just had to search "Lamy reacts to Fauna" and it would come up. Now there's nothing. And like I said I think it's because she said something she wasn't supposed to. Yes she did say the exact same line Bae said which also made Bae's comment sound like a PR response. Because it was word for word the same thing about change and growth being good things. Except Lamy later went into some veiled criticism of management. Saying she understands why some of these changes can be difficult for some members. She said there's a lot of things we can't talk about and gave the health thing as an example.

[@TheMiror77]

I dont know , yes i looked it up and video was there and its deleted but maybe its not so bad but it looks terrible , i found up that Lamy was very sick sounded really bad 11 months ago so maybe thats why they told her that if it returns we will just say that you are taking break because Hololive should be entertainmen first and no drama , i dont know really i hope its not so bad there . I did a lot of diging fauna is my favorite after Ina so i am taking this really bad. A lot of idols are saying they are burned out basicly and others that i trust ( subaru , Ayame ) are saying they are not doing much at all

[@Raver_S_Thompson]

Bae bringing the heart for all the news.

[@majorghoul9017]

I wish Fauna the absolute best with her work in the future. Whatever she does coming up next and whatever face she wears, may she continue to grow and find happiness in her life.

[@IIC7]

I know it's a tought time for Chloe and Fauna fans out there and I want to let you know that our hearts are with you guys. We all know that graduation will come to our idols at some place and at some time beyond our control. It's ok to be sad, angry even, but cherish what was and what we have left. Change is neither benevolent nor malevolent. I can only hope and pray that they go on to better things.

[@AngelBattosai27]

Hey we should happy for her, she could be part of that awesome journey and hopefully made enough to live happily and peacefully

[@satsukisara]

yeah, i agree

[@---Rin---]

Nothing anyone can say will make it any less sad but I'm glad Bae is OK talking about it. I'm just sad bc my 2 favorites voices in EN are Fauna and Bae.

[@IshimurA99]

People don't stay in hololive forever because we all know they will leave one day, so instead of being sad, laugh with them so they can leave as happily as possible

[@cjnf11]

This is true, but this is not exactly what's happening here. There is an apparent shift in how Hololive does things, of which we don't know the specifics, but talents do, since it impacts them fully, and several very different talents don't like those changes and are quitting. Aqua is one of the most serious warning signs, you'd think Aqua could stay in Holo forever and be a cute onion, it's like a dream job. And yet she quit. Again because of "disagreements with management". And now Fauna quits, openly stating "disagreements with management". So no. This isn't just "people come and go". Yagoo had to make Hololive a public company, where any investor could buy its shares. The alternative was to either quit or completely sell the corpo. Can't blame him. But still this is the result. Some random boomer moneybags in Japan will vote for how Hololive will work now, having no idea what vtubing is or means for the people, and not caring about it in the slightest.

[@primecoconut4204]

@@cjnf11 this is showing that Hololive, as what Bae said, isnt how used to be back then. Every year the company is growing. The cruel reality when in comes to business: Is that business die or prosper? Everything has a price, you win some, you lose some.

[@icarovitormaximoliralinhar1428]

@@cjnf11 Its more likely theyre pushing more for the idol side of bussiness, regloss being the start to it, theyre the more idol like group without lore shennanigans, and they probably are making the streamer part being the side part while the idol, concerts and songs will be their main projects, thats propably why a lot of the girls have been moving to japan, and why some have been graduating. This is of course just my speculation from what ive seen from whats happening in hololive and i can see more members going to graduate yet.

[@ChrolloLucilfer_0]

I cant laugh knowing thats gonna happen

[@zir456]

@@primecoconut4204 I just hope they don't crumbled too fast

[@Pooh5821]

What Bae said is 100% correct. Hololive is changing, it's not the same as when Council just debuted. Changes will always happen, and they can be both good and bad. If Fauna decides to graduate, then I respect her decision and wish her the best

[@JoeHensley-i1g]

But that means its the policies with the company are getting more overbearing and prolly multiple other reasons I talk with someone that works with them personally it's contracts it's payment , the policies all calminate to get this

[@rainzerdesu]

People forgot a global pandemic with countries locked down were a thing. Between 4th Gen and Hololive Advent, every Holomem that joined did so while the world was on lockdown. Japan locked down from Apr 2020 until Oct 2022. So any Western fan that knew Hololive through the first 3 gens knew them as talents who had joined when streaming games were the only thing they could do because travel was globally restricted and expecting that to stay the same after is just unrealistic.

[@Narum18]

​@@rainzerdesu And they werent that famous. Even without the pandemia they didnt have the events and merchs like now.

[@FakfridSumanko]

@@JoeHensley-i1g We dont know what it means.

[@carlos-zy7vx]

​@@rainzerdesuAdvent was last year, not on lockdown

[@morphayangze2737]

News of Moomers! Yay! But seriously, I can't thank Bae enough for trying to talk about this stuff despite not knowing what to say in this situation. She's a helpful lass in these trying times. Everyone, cherish every memory you have of these girls who did everything to make our lives better. They deserve every support we can muster as a community.

[@ToonLinkHox]

Think you forgot an "enough" in that sentence there, otherwise you're saying you don't agree with Bae's action...

[@morphayangze2737]

@ToonLinkHox Somehow that was omitted...

[@NeuronActivation]

Hakos Baelz: "Im not crying guys im just sniffling" We're all gonna be crying on January the 3rd 😭

[@amia_mizu5]

*We be ballin' our eyes out with this one surely*

[@UnsungThermidor]

The writing is pretty much on the wall at this point. Cover was forced to go public, so things are changing behind the scenes. Talents most likely do not agree with the changes and choose to graduate, or feel they need to. This doesn't feel like the same situation as Nijisanji at all if anyone is worried about that. A disagreement with management on a contract isn't the end of the world and choosing to end a relationship professionally is probably what happened. Contract negotiations fall through all the time in a lot of different places doesn't mean people hate each other souls or there is abuse behind the scenes.

[@RicKo5896]

Sorta why i hate how Nijisanji tainted the graduation process. Now the community at larger is looking for some sort of scandal or someone to blame.

[@Lom-Rom]

Also just put it out there, Yagoo only has 2 options: either go public or sell, this from an interview with Yagoo which you can go search and read for yourself

[@amspook]

​@@Lom-RomTo add more, Cover already had shareholders, albeit small ones privately, most likely they are the one telling Yagoo that he either need to sell or go public And the management stuffs has been going on for long time now Coco mentioned that she leaves because of restrictions, and I'm pretty sure with how big Cover has become, the restrictions is getting tighter, and now, the EN side is experiencing the same thing

[@VladimirDT]

@@Lom-Rom You can also provide information as well so others may compare against it or alongside it, rather than just telling them to look it up themselves

[@jjQlLlLq]

​@@VladimirDT it's hard to link shit on youtube comments. But it should be on a main post in r/virtualyoutuber subreddit. The article is link there

[@akinako4064]

Thank you for clipping this, I really needed it :D I'm surprised and impressed how grown up Baes answer was without being like a "forced sentence" she learned by heart. Love my brat-rat

[@completelyferrouschemist6776]

The pain just means you're still alive...

[@unknownvariable2456]

that awkward moment when you look away for a moment and a dozen of your favorite vtubers graduate man 2024 has been rough

[@kojoydesu4107]

Changes denotes neither BAD nor GOOD but it certainly means NOT THE SAME ~ Chessire Cat

[@ghost707]

Feels like greed no matter how its spun company don't want to pay other company so they just stop doing games.

[@jjmara01]

@@ghost707 So what was it that made her leave? Paying other companies, glad to know you know the exact reason she left and the exact reason. We can assume stuff, but also know it can easily be wrong.

[@mareizia]

Man I sure like people spreading misinformation and chaos during times like these ,as if we don't have enough of it already

[@resuterubozu]

​@@mareizia fr, so many people are going around spreading pure speculations acting as if they're actual facts and getting mad about it, like damn calm down and go outside

[@mareizia]

@@resuterubozu nah those schizo mfker would never go out let alone touch grass they are too busy going to Twitter and reddit

[@flambelk4489]

It helps a lot that Bae says these things out loud.

[@r3.4ct]

Just like some marriages.. no abuse, just disagreements.

[@soulswalker2157]

"One friend will see all the funerals, one friend will see none, one hsve none at theirs, and one will only have one" goddamn i finally realize this shit but its too real.

[@janusng1223]

Think of it like this we all join a company for a different reason. Not everyone will stay for a company that long, when your colleagues leave you just glad they move on something better.

[@agrocreepers]

i like how its called graduation but really its just getting fired/retiring which can often be the same thing

[@swegneto_9601]

People need to understand that this is a job first and foremost. People move on from them for various reasons everyday

[@sandwichmonster7067]

What Fauna's graduation has taught me is that people fuckin' LOVE to think that they know more than they actually do >.>

[@Gakusangi]

Shiori also did a good job of addressing all the doom posting going on. The company isn't suddenly sinking or turning black just because a few of the talents left for disagreements. They've been at this for at least a few years, it's not common for people to stay in one place or align perfectly with their work. They built up a good fanbase and they can now move out on their own and manage their content themselves, that doesn't mean the company is suddenly bad. Cover doesn't seem to follow the same patterns as companies that clearly don't care about their workers.

[@eraserhead6198]

I’ll be honest, this sounds like some “There is no war in Ba Sing Se” bullshit. Is Cover going out of business tomorrow? No, that’s ludicrous however the sheer fact that there are these growing abnormalities happening I.e multiple talents graduating with very little time in between when before Hololive graduations were a relative rarity is something that’s growing increasingly more alarming. Not to mention the issue of “Disagreements with management” seems to be occurring more and more frequently as well. Hololive is a company that exploded in popularity during the pandemic and their primary method of exposure was streaming so for them to suddenly change gears and expect their talent, most of whom likely signed on with the expectation of streaming being their primary job with the idol portion being more of a side portion of the job are getting blindsided. I personally don’t watch the concerts, I’m sure many do but the majority of people tune into the streams. Again, Cover isn’t going out of business right now or even next year but their decision making as of recent is growing more and more concerning and I don’t think they’re going in the right direction. When you ignore what made you, when you begin to focus more on pleasing your investors rather than your customers is the first sign of an unsustainable business.

[@SilverMystes1]

​@@eraserhead6198 Eh not really abnormal. It's actually quite normal for a startup company that became big. No company is perfect, and the more a company grow, the more likely it is to go away from status quo. And with more personnel, disagreements will also happen unavoidably. And this is where people start to leave. While I do believe things need to change to improve retention, as long as Cover is fair to their talents in the most part, they'll be fine. Though I do agree that it doesn't make sense for them to abandon talents that wants to focus on streaming. Is that really the case? Was this confirmed?

[@LongTran-x9z6n]

​@@eraserhead6198the concerts goers are paying customers. Most of the stream viewers are not.

[@eraserhead6198]

@ Theres still ad revenue, super chat, subscriptions and the stream viewers buy merch. To say they aren’t paying customers is wildly inaccurate and ignorant.

[@eraserhead6198]

@@SilverMystes1 Going away from the status quo and ignoring what caused your growth to explode in the first place is a fast way to absolutely throttle your momentum as a company long term. The shell shock alone is enough to put off your dedicated base. Trying new things whilst retaining what already made you grow is the better option long term because if a vast majority of your consumer base begins to see patterns that are worrying then they’re going to be more apprehensive. Fauna’s departure seems to have caused a massive shot through the heart of EN fans. While she wasn’t as big as some of the Myth girls in terms of subscribers she was still extremely beloved by…shoot almost everyone. So when she graduated that sent shockwaves through the community and her fans who are known for being clingy were devastated. The reason I bring this up is that VTubers and their fans grow very close and there’s emotional investment that cultivates a financial investment. Fans will spend money on the streamers they love and for the longest time people could count on Hololive talent being there relatively long term so they feel more comfortable putting money into that talent.

[@pupper9474]

Fauna is my oshi. Day 0 on announcement and today.

[@ThatGuy-c]

Man I Love Fauna

[@8-bitTaco]

She addressed it well and seeing other like shiori address it kinda gives me hope for the future

[@artix003]

3:55 subs: im (not) going anywhere

[@TheHunterSlayer15]

I really needed to hear this from Bae, it’s very reassuring coming from her and I’m very glad to hear the Mumei is ok. I pray that these next few months get better for everyone. Stay strong saplings, hoomans, and all Hololive fans

[@RixsEmporium]

Change can mean growth but it can also mean the opposite. It depends what the change is...

[@datemasamune2904]

Vids like this reminds you that Bae is leader of Promise.

[@xenophacilus5895]

Of course that Chaos Rat loves change due to it's Chaotic nature

[@TheRealRidley12]

Fauna and Chloe will always live on in Hololive fan games, and will be dearly missed. I know I'll miss Fauna, though I personally didn't follow her (or Hololive in general) as closely as most in the community. She had such a gentle voice, even if she was quite a feisty forest gamer. At least Botan, Okayu, and the rest of Myth/Promise are still here. Catgirls forever! Speaking of fan games, HoloCure and Idol Showdown are great ones. Go check them out!

[@Dearthagnan404]

That's just how it is I guess. I also experienced my workplace change after the 2 years i've worked there due to management change which forced me to resign and go work somewhere else. So Fauna's decision may be hard to swallow for now but that's just how the world works, if you're uncomfortable at something, then you just have to decide to leave in order to prioritize yourself above all else.

[@shelbyjackson6903]

Thank you, Bae.

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

thanks bae. i'm still hurt, but i'm forced to suffer this pain yet again because i'm alive.

[@volatile5460]

Four talents leaving just this year, all citing "disagreements with management". It's difficult to not speculate.

[@kirapatatochips]

She basically said the answer lol. Things are changing and they don’t like the changes it’s unfortunate but they’ll still be streaming on different accounts anyways. I think the changes have to do with hololive starting to lean more towards actual idol things like dancing and way less gaming and all of those things

[@volatile5460]

@kirapatatochips I'd say you should go and listen to that video again. She specifically says not wanting to be an idol/singer isn't why she's leaving.

[@Edelweiss1102]

I don't recall Ame citing disagreements with management. Aqua and Chloe mentioned it as one of multiple reasons, in Chloes case mostly health related. I don't know, still feels disingenuous to me to lump them all together.

[@killerking2346]

​​@@kirapatatochips"You shouldn't speculate! Here's my speculation based on no facts, that just happens to put all the blame on the talents, not on the company" Turns out holodrones were always nijisisters in waiting.

[@kirapatatochips]

@@killerking2346 where did I say you shouldn’t speculate? Also I ain’t putting blame on anyone. And there are some things to back up that they are going that direction. Lately the newer jp gens are all more focused on the idol aspect of entertainment and a lot of the newest jp gen members are ex AKB48 members. I never wanted to put the blame on anyone it’s normal that cover wants to expand and it’s also normal that some of the talents don’t like the changes being made. i can’t do anything about the fact that you twitter ass mfs interpret it that way.

[@stinkybug1231]

Remember, for all the negativity surrounding this, the talents are free to tell their feelings and discuss these things. Some agencies will net you with suspension or retraction or blanket news black out.

[@logikx1325]

free is a strong word my dude......they are free to say limited things as long as they don't go into detail. It is understandable that that is how it is, but it is not freedom.

[@zir456]

@@logikx1325 yeah, freedom nowadays has different meaning

[@akira8393]

Nah, dorks say only vshojo has talent freedom

[@kokorochacarero8003]

If that was true, the people who left on bad terms would be able to be open about the shennanigans they had to endure behind the scenes but the threat of legal action is always there as a trump card for the company I love hololive, but we can't pretend this sort of legal blackmail is not a thing that happens with confidentiality clauses 🙈

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

"They're free to tell their feelings and discuss these things" If they were free to do that then none of the graduations would be a surprise, because they would have talked about them.

[@MystsyM_]

That`s Bae for yah thank you Bae this gives me Hope that`s everything's going to be okay 🫂

[@SilverMystes1]

The talents are defending Cover which makes sense, but obviously some people can't accept it because they are hurt and the explanations are not detailed enough for their satisfaction. Personally, I think it just boils down to whether the ex-talents were wronged enough for them to follow the Dokibird approach and expose the malpractice. If they didn't then maybe it's not that big of a deal. Just some differences that cannot be solved.

[@megamage911]

I think the only one who has left Hololive up to this point who had any major grievances was Rushia... But we've also seen the mental state she's in which isn't exactly great...

[@FantasiephilosophRaku]

​@@megamage911Not forgetting that Cover sended a Mob at her, tried isolating and blacklisting her and used Flare, Fubuki and Watame as a shild to shame Rushia by acting all uncarring, they did this to her while she was Su*cidal and depres*Ed, any mental state would be f*cked after that Public abuse

[@nekobread9430]

love how bae see the changing to the company. hope we can have bae for many many years

[@kingdovachief5707]

Bae being a voice of reason is actually pretty calming. Thank you Bae.❤

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

They always said she was the most responsible out of the council

[@kingdovachief5707]

@@flashtheshapeshafter That's why she's the leader.

[@_PixelPie_]

Yes.

[@imyabota5785]

I remember how I saw the announcment at 2 am and was just in utter shock as it came very unexpected for me. Fauna went straight to the point and before I could digest it the video ended and Bae's Kokoronashi cover got recommended as the next video. I'm lucky that neither of my Oshis have graduated yet and I hope they manage to remain in hololive till I graduate ^^' On that note: Keep fighting sapling!

[@pixymisa777]

It’s good to hear Bae in particular say this, because she’s one I’ve honestly had my eye on for a while who seems to be getting pretty miserably stressed out lately.

[@al_alemania]

I've been so anxious man... I'm glad Bae said she's still happy being here

[@lucasmendoza7576]

I love Bae's view on change, and that she reassured us that things are still pretty gucchi. Appropriate considering rats are very adaptable creatures.

[@Frank22lol]

I don't know how to correctly express this but what Bae said made me think that while some are ok with the company's changes and some are not, it might have been the case that if things stayed the way they were, others would've graduated instead.

[@Baka_Mop]

​@Frank22lol This is just me speculating, but it may have been a case of who wants to go full-on idol and who wants to stay just as a streamer. I think the company is pushing towards all talents being idols, and the members that would rather not sing and dance and live the idol lifestyle will leave with their current fanbase and return to their indie personas.

[@lunawense6288]

​@@Baka_MopThis seems to genuinely be where it's heading which seems really strange when the western market is not all that enthralled with plain old idols. Streamers and anime are popular over here but we literally have zero successful idol agencies. The male demographic over here just isn't really into that kind of stuff

[@Marf69Marf69]

It's a double edge sword, they are heading towards a more idol centric focus now. Bae has no problems with it given her talents and she doesnt truly need to take as many classes as frequently as other members. So for her, yes I'd imagine dancing and singing/rapping is not a problem and she is fine. But for others who havent really done it professionally, like Fauna, it may be really taxing on them and it is, I know she enjoys it but it's as a fun thing, not as a job with standards thing. Because they want these girls to be like kpop levels of standard now that they are public and not all of them are going to want to beat themselves over to accomplish that (chloe said her vocal chords hurts), remember these girls aren't like 18-25, some are in their 30s and have never had a career in dance or singing prior. It's like trying to make a pro boxer debut at 30-40 in a dominant scene of early 20s.

[@Baka_Mop]

@@lunawense6288 Japanese corpos usually don't see beyond their own country in terms of what's popular. That's why alot of the times, if something is extremely popular overseas, like an anime or videgame, but doesn't have much popularity in Japan, it most likely won't get a sequel even if there's a large demand for it overseas.

[@gregorh.3919]

Aw man Goomba is going to be sad that one of her Favs is graduating.

[@dragonhitman1071]

This is honestly probably one of the more normal graduations. No drama at its roots. While fauna goes to become a tree I'm sure a new bud will grow elsewhere.

[@Draklossse]

A new lemon tree perhaps

[@Archimagus7]

Probably, not a tree, but a leaf)

[@haxor-rex5705]

@@Draklossse perchance, it might even be a *leaf*

[@xXSamir44Xx]

I don't know. Saying she's leaving because of management and not because she doesn't want to be in Hololive should make us look at the company a bit more critically.

[@Draklossse]

@@xXSamir44Xx Going public as a company at this point honestly feels like a death sentence since everything becomes so focused on pleasing the investors

[@PrixtoTNT]

"I do hope that the speculations are at a minimum" I mean, if we're in Spongebob's opposite day... they are! They are at an all time mininum!

[@krisfaust909]

Change isn't always good, or it may not be good for everyone. Change is change, it is not inherently and universally good nor bad. Only time will tell, but remember: 1) don't force yourself to support a company you disagree with; and 2) no company is immune to criticism. I am still on board with Hololive but that could change. 2025 will be pivotal for talents and fans.

[@Its-Me-ID-X]

It sucks, but you put it well, Bae. Changes happen in life and especially in companies. And with changes, there will be hard decisions. I see people attack Cover/Hololive since the Fauna announcement, also on Social media. It's crazy.

[@BlameCo]

The mumei is okay bit relieved hundreds of hoomans, thank you bae. :'D

[@josephkim007]

This was really helpful. Thank you Bae ❤

[@Sinloud]

Change means growth? Look at Bioware, Rocksteady, Obsidian, Blizzard, they've changed.

[@sammydray5919]

It sounded like pure Corpo PR speak. Maybe its just her naivete but its probably what she was told to say by the management

[@Candlemancer]

​@@sammydray5919 So you think she's lying? You think she's just a dumb mindless mouthpiece for the company? Shows how little respect you have for any of the girls as actual people

[@sammydray5919]

@Candlemancer What crawled up your ass and died? Sorry if you got offended but the change line just felt like PR speak to me thats all. Never said she was dumb. If you don't like it just pretend that she is just that naive to believe that. Nothing more nothing less.

[@rrrrrRainy]

is this gonna be the default bgm for graduation reactions? It's been a rough 2024 so I hope people take care of themselves!

[@LordValzy]

"change means growth" is not a true statement, shrinking is also a change. Not every change is positive.

[@CodeTalkerLooter]

this is the second time a gen member is leaving. "Axel and Altare: Welcome to the club!!"

[@Android-Twenty-One]

You know with what is happening in HoloStars and Regis Altare's feelings in his stream, it's kinda scary that it might just be Axel as the only dude in Holo Tempus Gen 1.

[@CodeTalkerLooter]

@Android-Twenty-One what is Altare feeling in his streams?

[@GoodOleDFT]

@@Android-Twenty-One No chance. If Altare goes, Axel goes with him. And so will practically all of Tempus Vanguard (with the possible exception of Hakka). Altare is VERY respected as a level-headed leader.

[@Android-Twenty-One]

@@CodeTalkerLooter To know Regis feelings, watch Staz latest video and in their recent clip video, if you can't find it just search “Alter needed a break after Cover did this”

[@IsTheOrderASapling]

​@@CodeTalkerLootervery pissed at imcompetent managements completely ignoring his request for months and when he does it himself it takes like an hour, can't paste the link here, search youtube for "Altare needed a break after Cover did this"

[@Satans_Adopted]

Don't cry now. Save your tear for 2025. You'll need lots of them.

[@wenousagi6213]

it's sad bc the count of holomem graduations were a lot near the end of this year. I'm glad kronii, bae, along with the others opened up and reassured us nothing wrong is going on in the company.

[@jamesklee]

I like the Rat (and the Clock/Nephilim/Owl) but I feel like the writing's on the wall for Promise. The corpo world throws around the words "change" and "growth" like the mere presence of those terms automatically makes things fine. There are such things as bad changes, and unsustainable growth. I get the feeling that there's quite a bit of killing the golden goose going on behind the scenes.

[@jaymzOG]

Change isnt for everyone. Clearly some talents are okay with the direction Cover is going. Clearly some aren't. I don't expect Fauna to be the final talent to leave because of those changes, or because of other reasons (ala Altare's grievance).

[@coolfish420]

There always was going to hit a point where talent would start leaving Cover alongside new talent arriving. It sucks but managing your expectations really helps.

[@KAINARTZ]

Warm moments like these are the reason i love them

[@Codyburgerking]

i don't want to be negative here but when has the "change" here been seen as positive. manage has been lacking and it's been shown from various talents. All the recent talents graduations due to the direction of the company and management is not a good sign. Instead of pretending it's "growth" we should be looking at and addressing the problems because things are only going to escalate from here. Both from the fans and the talents.

[@Buttsob]

Yeah good luck with that lol😂

[@WestefordVT]

I'm just...I don't know how to feel...Fauna is just...so special. I can't imagine a world without new clips from fellow saplings...I know we'll always have the clips, but...now there's that feeling...y'know?

[@soggypotato]

You should check out lemonleaf. I kinda get what you mean tho, there won't be any new "Fauna" conten, and honestly while she will still continue on her own, it really really sucks that she can't collab with the others from holo en anymore. It's always fun to see what they come up with and their antics in games, the banter and jokes flying all over the place.

[@raynightshade8317]

I wish Fauna would stay afiliated. Oh well at least she can stream with Sana again though im really going to miss her model

[@mojin7470]

Thanks Bae for talking sense and rationale into all the Doomsayers' minds. When I saw the Graduation of Fauna, my first thought was "OMG everything is doomed", but then I started thinking about it and honestly... I don't think there's any reason to be dramatic about all of these changes. People will have disagreements with their employers sometimes and just because one person is not happy anymore, that doens't mean that everything else will also be changing. Let's look positively into the future and appreciate and support all the talents that are still there and wish all the Best to Fauna and Chloe.

[@AlledThundes]

"change means growth" not always little bae, not always.

[@sammydray5919]

Sounded like Corpo PR speak ngl

[@fierytigergaming8112]

Change can mean growth, HOWEVER... Change can also lead to regression

[@flixelgato1288]

“Just a little shrimp that’s all I will ever be but I’m happy knowing that I will be alive maybe one day I’ll be okay”

[@krishnansubramoni7801]

The issue never really started because of the recent two graduations. The issue really came to light when we had the double Magni/Vesper sudden graduation. That's when things really started showing itself on the EN side. And then we had a string of graduations/terminations. Gura just streams once or twice a month on average nowadays (excluding special events). Even A-chan is gone. And I get it, fans are not really entitled to anything. But at one point it just gets frustrating. Recently, even the always-chill Altare got heated up because the boys get so little support from the company. Honestly, given zero explanation combined with all of these events, then the amount of speculation I am seeing online (at least on the relatively sane side) is perfectly warranted.

[@Skyblade22]

Thanks to Bae for being as real as she can be, I really appreciate it. But like she said, we'll never get the answer we are hoping to get. Namely to the question, "why?". she said she hopes we're ok with that, and that's fair. And I realize, for me personally, I'm really not ok with that. it bothers me so much that I'll never know why this pillar of community and support is just going to be gone without ever getting an explanation. I can't deal with the grief these graduations bring. So for me personally, I can't get involved again, I can't "get another oshi". It may be a personal failing, but I personally cannot just accept it and move on. I honestly hope others can, for the sake of the other talents and the company, because they bring a lot of good to the world.

[@khl2445]

lemonleaf, at 288k now was at 109k earlier today crazy spread this time

[@shiki3050]

appreciate the pointers, kind stranger

[@TheLuckySpades]

She was at 21k early last month, this is insa e growth

[@GoodOleDFT]

@@khl2445 Saplings are loyal beyond dimensions.

[@dodocom6490]

@@GoodOleDFT You could even say they're BREAKING DIMENSIONS. ...I'll see myself out now.

[@dgsalvilla]

she was at 50k when i subbed yesterday. and from what i've read around, she already grew by 15k at that point. hopefully YT doesn't bonk her for growing that fast.

[@v_vexx]

hopecore bae is best bae

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

Well said bae, I'm going to miss them both but all the speculation is getting out of control already to the point it's kind of scary, we don't know the full details and we probably never will but for now let's focus on sending them both off with a smile rather than grabbing pitchforks

[@brothermoth689]

Comments like this help me feel better from the doom and gloom of yesterday.

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

​@@brothermoth689 I try

[@brothermoth689]

@@flashtheshapeshafter sometimes trying is all that matters 😊

[@akaneriyun4774]

I mean, is it wrong of paying customers to complain and ask questions? Thing is, if Hololive was only a teeny weeny bit more transparent, then they wouldn't be getting these wild speculations. They made the bed so they should lay on it. I completely agree that change IS necessary but they also need to understand the inherent risk associated with that change. They can't have their cake and eat it, too.

[@WhisperingAila]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was straight up panicking from the reactions some people had. I guess I'm an outlier in that I never single out an oshi and choose to follow multiple Vtubers from time to time, and my lack of disposable income means i usually don't superchat so I don't feel a sense of entitlement monetarily. I just hope that the vibes of the people who support Fauna as well as her genmates and ENmates through the end far outweigh those who let their initial emotions get the better of them. I don't really agree with Cover's direction, but it's much easier on my heart to just adapt and support rather than riot and remain bitter over it.

[@fosterwalrus8413]

I’m really happy to hear bae say “I’m very happy” and it makes me feel better I still have stress over not seeing Mumei and Gura for a while but idk they have their own path. I assume the disagreements were related to travel to and from Japan since honestly idk what Fauna could be upset about she just seems so nice but you never know maybe she was really angry that her shade of green was going to change or something XD. It definitely hurt when Fauna said she really wanted to stay but it could not be helped. I love fauna and I feel like she is the warm embrace I used to fall asleep at night. And I will miss her…but I’m so worried about a cascade. I really don’t want 2025 to be the new death year for Hololive. So, hearing Bae say “I’m really happy” makes me hope a lot of other people are happy too.

[@Corrodias]

On the one hand, I'm not sure what good speculating can possibly do. On the other hand, it's impossible not to. When we're not given details, our minds will wander and search for meaning. Other possibilities that come to mind besides mandated travel are: changes to how game permissions or streams work; restrictions on content (censorship), collab partners, or talking about partners (like, spouse kind of partners); revenue sharing (money) negotiations; frustration at projects being cut or changed at the last minute; or general mistakes/failures from staff not being addressed (there are numerous examples from various talents). These may all be completely off base, though. That's the danger of speculation. The vibe I get from the videos around Aqua's departure are that the company is becoming more risk-averse and more restrictive. But even if that's right, as Bae says, there are plenty of people who can thrive in that environment.

[@kyugull]

I wish Hololive would go ahead and change already; this half and half situation where only new members stream before they're thrown into the idol grinder is tiresome

[@dansir4102]

Actually i don’t need to speculate on Fauna because she told us why. Most talents leave us so in the dark (NDA’s fault) that we worry they have stage 4 liver cancer and after speculation find that they actually just had serious (not life threatening) back issues and are going to continue enjoying their life as an artist and streaming when they feel like it. For those of us with compassion, the outcome for someone we love matters.

[@charltonrodda]

"change means growth" growth means change, change doesn't always mean growth...

[@fudgingnerd8210]

Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing and agree. Like sure its optimistic to think change is always a good or positive thing but in reality things can change for worse too...I want Bae to be right but don't have high hopes tbh though

[@dimetrodon2250]

I think what she meant was that Hololive was changing BECAUSE it was growing

[@sammydray5919]

​@@dimetrodon2250that.... Doesn't contradict what the guy was saying. Growth can lead to change but that change might not necessarily lead to further growth

[@BloodyArchangelus]

Damage control

[@hura6270]

Peoples are afraid to lose Hololive, the good old Hololive with all the joy and happiness it brings to them. It's understandable. Me too, I really really hope those changes are not the first steps of Hololive's downfall. But we should all stay calm about it. As a global Holo enjoyer with no specific one oshi, I just want to keep watching and giving supports to all of other talents in Hololive who (I hope) are fine and happy with whatever changes are going on in here. Those changes are not necessary bad, or good neither. And those graduations are happening just because, like she said, changes means disagreements and differences about how people involved see it. Doesn't necessary means that something DARK is happening beyond the scene. I'm sure this situation is difficult for other talents in Hololive who possibly genuinely want to stay, so let's just give them support and love instead of bringing up some negative theory crafts about stuff we don't have enough information about. And just hope that things will end up in a good way with still a lot of fun and love in the future !

[@samphoenix1674]

the saplings are simply going to sprout into lemonleaf trees

[@Killoer]

As realistic and straight to the point she was, its true. Best we can do is enjoy the rest of the time we have with these wonderful talents; and whether they reincarnate elsewhere (and one already is looking to), its up to you to jump down that rabbit hole. One thing is clear though: It never gets easier.

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

I do wonder how many people have to leave before the company realizes that there's a serious problem that needs to be addressed.

[@awen4784]

until gura leave