Dallas made a mistake with a YOUNG PILATE? The Chosen Season 4

[@doloresparkinson8228]

I think Pilate’s quote of ‘what is truth?’ gives us an idea of how conflicted he was. Trying to please the powers in Rome and keep peace within the Jewish community. Every faction had opposing stories and interests. It’ll be a great opportunity for all the actors.

[@texaslocoman1]

What is Truth is a philosophical question that gives us hints the show might have the young Pilate right! This question was asked by ancient young philosophy students to their teachers and shows Pilate was highly educated not just a brute soldier. He was appointed procurator which was more of a civilian administrator!

[@texaslocoman1]

The animosity between Pilate and herod recorded by the apostle John might had to do with age. Herod Antipas was at least 10 years older than Pontius Pilate! Antipas was 15 when Jesus was born and Pilate was born about that time. Also chaifas was son in law of Hanas make him about the age of Antipas

[@Charlieafter2020]

I had no problem with the portrayal of Pontus Pilate I wasn’t there in Rome to give an eyewitness account, so 😅. Sometimes we get too caught up in how something is traditionally shown vs being open to something else. Now if the Chosen portrayed Batman as Pontius Pilate…then I might have an issue

[@byronscherer4986]

Thank you for your comment...somebody with some common sense is a breath of fresh air

[@LifeOfJoslyn]

Batman 😂😂😂😂

[@JeniRS7]

@@byronscherer4986ikr! I couldn’t agree more!

[@JeniRS7]

I didn’t really have a particular image or expectation for pontius Pilate so i didn’t really think that they presented it wrong 😅

[@perfectpeace00]

I was surprised to see him young, but Dallas' explanation makes sense.

[@2olivetreesinzechariah4]

Granted, the role is often given to older actors but maybe an inspired choice? Perhaps a more mature Pilate would not have been so eager to impress authority or so easily influenced by the crowd. I'm curious to see how this interpretation plays out.

[@texaslocoman1]

The traditional portrayal of Pilate is of a man in his 50s but the Bible gives us hints he was about the same age of Jesus! The gospels writers are telling us that this procurator is not old or experienced. But history tells us also that Pontius Pilate was appointed by special favors not because he was experienced soldier!

[@texaslocoman1]

Pilate wrote the case of Jesus in 3 languages by his own hands. He actually knew several languages. He was a smart educated guy.

[@perfectpeace00]

Most people were back then because they didn't have distractions like we do today. We have gotten dumber over years.

[@texaslocoman1]

@@perfectpeace00 less than 50% of the people knew how to read and write in those days. Common folks used to just look at the crucified and check for signs of the case why they were executed , like for example, a crown of thorns(traitor) , a bag of money(thief) , knife(murderer), etc. Religious leaders knew how to read so Pontius wrote that case just thinking about them!!

[@texaslocoman1]

The other two most likely didn't have their case written on top of their crosses either because they didn't need it or they were crucified on a T form cross!

[@karenhinds1238]

I love the character that plays Pilot. In my research I found that pilot was a young man.

[@texaslocoman1]

Several biblical hints and some historical hints tell us Dallas might actually have this young Pilate right!

[@Redrosewitch]

Really? How old do they think he may have been?

[@texaslocoman1]

@@Redrosewitch Many of Those provincial governors were appointed in their 30s and 40s like the provincial governor who sent to kill Polycarp in Smyrna in 150AD, that governor was in his 30s. Many biblical and historical hint tell us that Pilate was not a 50 something despot military man, in fact, military men didn't last to be 50 in those days.

[@Redrosewitch]

@@texaslocoman1 That I can well imagine. Thank You 👍👍👍

[@texaslocoman1]

@@Redrosewitch also the length of his term shows he was not in his 50s. Governors served for 2 to 5 years and then terms were extended. Pilate was extended twice meaning he was still young in 33AD

[@bernadettematera-stacey1982]

I was really taken by surprise by their choice for Pilate, in a good way 😅

[@vbetta8979]

I liked him too! Have you seen the Pilate in the series...oh I think it was called "AD the Bible Continues" or something (I didn't make it past the 2nd episode). Their rendition of Pilate was a horrible MONSTER! The Chosen was a relief.

[@PatriciaStuart-lw9fv]

Yes He existed. I saw the stone. It is impressive

[@JeniRS7]

Must have been awesome!

[@patriciamarino4418]

Yes he is young looking but he is a great actor with the right amount of "snarkieness" as Pilate. Also if you google life expectancy in 1st Centuary Rome, it is 35-45 years.

[@GEORGEGEORGEIII]

Pilate’s wife was Claudia Procula. She’s venerated as a Saint by the Orthodox Church, the Eastern Catholic Church, the Coptic Church, and the Christian Ethiopian Church.

[@jemsmom97]

Why??

[@barbarabaldwin7120]

SURPRISING!

[@colleenfisher9970]

❤ Brother Brandon sorry haven't been on here watching but I've been very ill. All better now thank you Jesus.. I think for me Piolet was just fine. Not every authority leader looked like a big old bearded beer bellied looking men.

[@TheSnipeLife]

aww Glad you're feeling better! Sorry to hear you got sick.

[@colleenfisher9970]

@@TheSnipeLife thank you.

[@barbarabaldwin7120]

"PILATE'

[@valeriefields7902]

Her name was Claudia Procula.

[@barbarabaldwin7120]

YES--THANKS!

[@texaslocoman1]

Claudia hair isn't 1st century Roman aristocratic woman hair style. But her clothes fit and Pontius Pilate clothes are okay. He was not wearing armor. He wore togas.

[@texaslocoman1]

@@josephinemarie5883 hair embroiled in jewelry and soft fabrics. Roman aristocrat women didn't cut their hair short. They had long hair. Short hair was for slaves. Just check 1st century art and you will see. Even statues and busts of aristocratic women.

[@ruthholbrook]

According to tradition, Claudia (wife of Pilate) was the granddaughter of Augustus Caesar. Her mother Julia (wife of Tiberius) was promiscuous so exiled from court, but after Julia's death Claudia was adopted by Tiberius - who wasn't her natural father. There are Eastern Orthodox churches dedicated to both Pontius Pilate and St Claudia. I can't remember where.

[@texaslocoman1]

Tradition is conflicting. There is no sense in having a member of the court given in marriage to a soldier. The tradition that Claudia was a widow and older than Pontius has more sense! But the young Claudia has much more sense and logic. They were married just a couple of years before they he trial of Jesus and seems they still don't have children! Big clue people! Claudia and Pilate didn't have children. They were still relatively newly married or Claudia was barren? Hence her superstitions and dreams?

[@Redrosewitch]

Wow! Pilate must have been quite high socially already. Not just any old man would get to marry a granddaughter of one emperor and adopted daughter of another.

[@texaslocoman1]

@@Redrosewitch The gospels and even the Pilate stone give us hints of how old Pilate was and what kind of man he was. The fact that his wife was with him and even intervened in his prefect decisions is telling us a lot about both of them.

[@jemsmom97]

Hmm that’s interesting!

[@mercedes523]

One thing to consider is that ife expectancy was 22-33 years in ancient Rome. It would have been out of the ordinary for someone to live way beyond that.

[@texaslocoman1]

More than 45. But we have many clues in the Bible and History Pontius Pilate was not old, experienced soldier, or even a maniac like Josephus writes. Josephus exaggerates about things he was not even witness.

[@loisgreen4372]

Thanks

[@Lee-Darin]

Usually Pilate would've been a soldier. As a military commander that would be used in his administration as Governor

[@texaslocoman1]

Remember that Pontius Pilate was appointed by special favors from his family to Sejanos who was doing businesses for Tiberius. Pontius Pilate was not appointed for years of military service. Even having his young wife Claudia with him is another big clue this couple was a young couple!

[@JeniRS7]

I didn’t really have a particular image or expectation for pontius Pilate so i didn’t really think that they presented it wrong 😅

[@RustyManisduckman]

I like the "youngness"(not a word lol) of everyone. Everything up to recently everyone is older except Jesus. Always shows a30ish Jesus and 60 year old disciples.

[@donnaanderson3857]

Enjoyed you sharing what you thought about a younger Pilate

[@Redrosewitch]

Actually. I can see a younger Pilate working out well. I've always had trouble with the idea that a tough and ruthless military veteran would have had trouble with the issue of whether or not to condemn a man to death. He has the authority of Rome behind him. A slightly younger man, with uncertainty behind his actions, makes a lot of sense. I can really imagine him being very much phased by a baying crowd, who could so easily be whipped up into a riot, and giving into them, because he doesn't want trouble to deal with.

[@kamarahjbayard9476]

Brandon, when you all went to Israel, did you see the stone with Pontius Pilate’s name on it?

[@MelvinWilliams-gl6wp]

Hello Brandon

[@texaslocoman1]

Porcius Festos was appointed governor when he was in his late 30s.

[@texaslocoman1]

Big hint: When the religius leaders threaten Pilate saying to him "If you let this man go(Jesus) you are not FRIEND of CESAR". "Friend" here is not pal lol. They knew what kind of "friendship" Pontius had with Tiberius! Pontius was one of the favorite "freinds" of old perverted Tiberius! Even the inscription of the famous "Pilate stone" we can see Pontius was more than "friend" of Tiberius!

[@mariemcclure151]

I think he is a good actor.

[@clarkbyron2581]

The Pilate Stone is indeed a magnificent find! However, there WAS historical evidence of the reality of Pilate's existence in Josephus: According to Josephus in his The Jewish War (2.9. 2) and Antiquities of the Jews (18.3. 1), "Pilate offended the Jews by moving imperial standards with the image of Caesar into Jerusalem. This resulted in a crowd of Jews surrounding Pilate's house in Caesarea for five days."

[@larryandbarbi6561]

We love your insight!

[@texaslocoman1]

Big hint guys: procurators were appointed for just 3 to 4 years. Pontius Pilate was appointed and re appointed for more than 3 terms which is unusual. This is a huge hint he was in his 30s not his 50s!!!

[@texaslocoman1]

@@FilippoPietrabissa I'm not historian, I'm a Christian. Pontius Pilate is not a historical figure like , for example, Napoleon Bonaparte. Pontius Pilate is a Biblical character and most of what we know about him is based on Scripture and TRADITION. But now, about the terms of Roman provincial governors it is stated that they were appointed for several years(not 11 like Pontius allegedly served). For example, Pilate's predecessor Vallerius Gratus served for about 11 years before he was replaced by Pilate. You can't quote historical events that might not 100% accurate. But , these are approximations but still you can tell that besides Valerius who was already OLD and about to retire, Pontious was the second longest serving governor of Judea. If you see the list of Judea administrators most of them served for less than 4 years or one term. These governors were appointed at the time they were about to retire(50 to 60 years old), they made it to an age most soldiers were already dead. So this perfectly fits into the notion that Pontius Pilate was young when he was appointed. I don't have to put links on here, you can search for yourself! If you are a real historian.

[@perfectpeace00]

​@texaslocoman1 Pontius Pilate is a historical figure which is why the stone was brought up that proves it. Just because you know little about him doesn't make him fictional.

[@deborahbraman3238]

I heard someone who had an NDE say that Pilot was in heaven. This makes sense to me, he didn't seem to want the role he was playing and his wife seemed to be headed in the right direction.

[@perfectpeace00]

I've heard stories he converted and also stories that he committed suicide. There is more evidence and tradition that his wife was a believer and the one who gave the disciples the information about her dream.

[@jemsmom97]

If true, that’s unfortunate considering our Catholic Apostle’s Creed attributes Jesus’s suffering as the decision of Pontius Pilate.

[@cherylrightnour9918]

I heard from someone not on this YT- but another one- that back in the days of that time, Pilate’s were usually from One of the preceding Pilates Pilates - like their Son’s- if the father dies- the Son takes their place- no matter how old they are! There is some where in the Bible, can’t remember where- but one of the Sons of a King (I think)- was only 7 or 8 years old.

[@perfectpeace00]

Kin Tut in Egypt started his reign at age 10

[@texaslocoman1]

The Gospels were written years after Pilate died. The earlier Gospel was Marc written in about 41AD. Pilate died about 40AD(some say suicide or horse accident). But all the Gospels infer Pilate was not a bad man or blood thirsty maniac . He was just a weak man who even might have converted to Christianity along with his wife. So we have 4 Gospels and several apocrypha vs Josephus.

[@kimbowers3607]

Interesting

[@vincenzadepalma2637]

Most bible movies I've seen her name is Claudia.

[@sebastiennudo7792]

Always laughed at the 19 year old Pilates in The Chosen.

[@slaveofYAH]

Old Pilate definitely looks more appropriate

[@texaslocoman1]

An old experienced soldier would never caved to Jews

[@barbarabaldwin7120]

NOT THE WAY It Was

[@L3v1music]

Can someone pls tell me or post a link to whenever Dallas mentioned the plan for Season 5 as Holy Week, and for future seasons cause I have no clue. Thanks

[@nancyswass119]

God himself has woven this tapestry.

[@SamCoca]

Paul mentions Claudia in 2 Timothy 4:21 but no reference to her being Pilate’s wife. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@texaslocoman1]

This is TRADITION based on ancient stories and tales and commentaries from early Fathers! Paul mentions Clemente and Linus which the Church tradition says they were second and third POPES after Peter. Also Rufus and Alexander(sons of Simon of Cynrene "Lybia") are mentioned in the Acts of Dr Luke and other written ancient documents!!!!

[@perfectpeace00]

There is debate whether this is the same Claudia as Pilates wife I tradition became a believer.

[@Redrosewitch]

Traditionally, Pilate's wife is known as Claudia Procula. She's even a saint in the Greek Orthodox, Coptic and Ethiopian churches. They say she became a Christian and was martyred. In the Roman naming tradition, daughters were named with the feminine version of the family's dynastic title. And if there was more than one daughter, they'd have a second name, so as to be told apart. Pilate has married one of the daughters from a family of the Claudian dynasty. How this fits into the historical Pilate, I don't know.

[@texaslocoman1]

The most important thing to notice about Pilate wife is that she's with him and had access to his judgement decisions. Also implied is that they didn't have children yet and that they were a young couple!

[@texaslocoman1]

The gospels writers give us many hints of Pontius Pilate age and intelligence and education!!!

[@marymckeever7579]

I can now even "hear" him in Mark 15. ;-)

[@texaslocoman1]

When Paul talks to governor Porcius Festus as narrated by Dr. Luke, we can infer these two are about the same age!!! These are hints any person with analytical skills can see! Likewise, the way Pilate talks to Jesus is like of someone talking to another man about his own age. Please, see the difference between Herod Antipas talking to Jesus you can tell Herod is at least 10-15 years older than Jesus! Nicodemus was in his late 60s when he talked to Jesus at night! Check how they talk! These are some clues we can collect to infer how old these characters are!!!

[@Lee-Darin]

Personally I do believe that Pilate was older at least in his 40's-50's and that he was an experienced soldier.

[@byronscherer4986]

Remember people of that day was considered old at 40.

[@texaslocoman1]

A Roman soldier was lucky if he lasted to be 40 or 50 lol

[@perfectpeace00]

Look at all the Cesar's or leaders of that day. Rome's leaders were all young by appearance which is why Dallas mentioned Joaquin Phoenix in the Gladiator.

[@texaslocoman1]

@@perfectpeace00 some people argue that being a king or Caesar is different from being a "Prefect". Many think a "Prefect" was related only to the military and had been in the military for decades which is ludicrous. A "prefect" was a title and was not necessary a military title like a Centurion, General or Captain. Traditionally, people think Pilate was in his 40s or 50s but there is no evidence of this. There is more evidence Pilate was in his 30s at the trial of Jesus. If we see the history of people appointed as provincial administrators their age was in their 30s average at the time to be appointed. Some famous Roman provincial governors were in their 30s at the top of their rules. One of the most famous Roman administrators some tradition name him Marcus Tulius who was a first "prefect" then pro consul who ordered St Polycarp's execution. This administrator was in his late 30s at the time. This was about 155 AD.

[@nancyswass119]

QUESTION: REMEMBER THE STORY OF HOW JOSEPH AND MARY REALIZED THAT JESUS WAS NOT WITH THEM WHEN THEY WERE RETURNING HOME FROM JERUSALEM? (JESUS WAS ABOUT 12, I BELIEVE)? SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT HE HAD BEEN IN THE TEMPLE, AND THAT THE PRIESTS HAD BEEN AMAZED BY HIS UNDERSTANDING. Wouldn't someone have mentioned this in the extra-biblical writings? It would be interesting to see if there was something mentioned.

[@Annie0415]

The destruction of The Temple in 70AD destroyed all records and writings. If anything was mentioned about Jesus most likely perished in the fires.

[@perfectpeace00]

The only people there would have been pharisees, which were not typically scribes. Why would they write about a 12 year old kid asking questions and teaching in the temple? Yes it was unusual, but they were preoccupied with other things.

[@nancyswass119]

@@perfectpeace00 thank you for taking the time to respond. It just seems to me like the Jews wrote everything down. A twelve-year-old that amazed

[@nancyswass119]

@@perfectpeace00 in the temple would be remarkable.

[@richardtrudeau7363]

I always thought Pilate was mid 50s and Heavy set.

[@barbarabaldwin7120]

NO

[@slashtitan1035]

The actor who played Pilate in Passion of the Christ was perfect. He was also only 40. Not too young but not too old either like other portrayals. I think the actors who played Gaius or Quintus would have made better Pilates.

[@kamarahjbayard9476]

Also, when Brendon said, “Young Ruler” I was like *gasp “WHAT IF PILATE IS THE RICH YOUNG RULER!” I know that wouldn’t make much sense and it would be a big what if 😂 I’ve relaxed and come to my senses now 😅

[@TheSnipeLife]

😂 yeah he’s have to be Jewish lol.

[@Lee-Darin]

Pilate had soldiers sneak in standards of Caesar into Jerusalem to be in the Fortress of Antonia the Jews saw the standards and went to Caesarea and confronted Pilate to remove the standards and bring them back to Caesarea Pilate bluffed about killing them and they called his bluff and he relented and had the standards brought back to Caesarea. Another time Pilate built an Aqueduct for Jerusalem using the Corban from the Temple. The Jews found out about it and revolted. Pilate ordered his soldiers to mingle with the crowd dressed up as Jews. At a command from Pilate, the disguised Romans brought out concealed clubs and beat 3000 Jews. Some of them died.

[@irissiri1891]

In the end we all don't know if he was young or old coz our parents and my grandparents were not around during this time 😅 But for the disciples, I'm definitely sure they were young men or probably boys (less than 18 but not less than 15). Coz it would've been weird if Jesus was 30-33 years old teaching men who are much older than him except perhaps for Nicodemus 😂

[@texaslocoman1]

The youngest was John who was like 15 when Jesus called him with is brother James the Elder or TALLER who was like 18. Peter seems to be the oldest because he pays taxes with Jesus. Only males over 20 were obligated to pay taxes. If we analyze age and positions on ancient times we don't have to scratch our heads about Pilate's age. He was in his 30s at the trial of Jesus!

[@martinegauthier9081]

We should stop getting hung up on such petty details and focus on the story, period!

[@barbarabaldwin7120]

This is a Biblical discussion section.

[@Lee-Darin]

Claudia Procula

[@frederickrichards6878]

Being a soldier was not Pilates job. Remember that under Romes occupation, the local authority to Govern daily affairs and religious crimes remained with the local authorities, while still reflecting the overall authority of Rome. Local authorities could not kill an offender and had to pass the case back to Rome’s authority - Pilate to do so. A prefect’s job was to “Balance” the Roles of Jewish law and Roman Law, and it was a very difficult job to do. Like trying to keep all in balance on the Head of a pin. Fly Roman flags over a city or temple and you may cause the Jews to riot, which would require a response that may draw criticism from Rome. Remember, Rome was an empire-building machine with only so many well-trained and outfitted Roman Soldiers. Leaving as much local control meant that more soldiers could be used to control more lands defeated and rolled into the Empire earning more money for Rome to fund bigger armies of Roman soldiers to expand the Empire. Quiet tax collecting was always the goal. Everything else was a waste of resources to be avoided. This is why the judgment of Jesus was such a thorn for Pilate. He did not see charges that would warrant his getting involved and possibly setting off riots and discourse which he would pay for politically with Rome. He tried to place it back in Herod’s hands so that he Pilate, could not be directly blamed for the outcome of the sentence of death. Hence the political drama of the washing of the hands, done to try to protect his position in Rome after this all fell out. Think more Politics, less despot.

[@texaslocoman1]

Pontius was not appointed as a military commander. He didn't even have authority over a legion. He was just a prefect or civilian administrator with authority to make laws, execute traitors, get taxes etc

[@valeriefields7902]

So Pilate was maybe younger than Jesus. Like the actor who plays him. Fits the guess that his father pushed him into politics.

[@texaslocoman1]

If you read carefully the gospels gives us hints Pilate was about the same age of Jesus

[@smilingdog2219]

This series portrays Pilate with a split personality as far as maturity goes and I think that more than anything throws the audience off. In scripture, Pilate comes off more mature and slow to judge. Someone who ask the right questions, gives consideration and then makes a calculated ruling.

[@barbarabaldwin7120]

PILATE'S WIFE "CLAUDIA"--HE NAME MEANS "LAME."

[@judywilliams1928]

Why does Dallas make the sign of an UPSIDE-DOWN CROSS#!!!

[@oliverwilson4516]

Bye!

[@magdalenasharee2551]

Go away.

[@perfectpeace00]

Ridiculous 😅

[@texaslocoman1]

Can you analyze how old the woman at the well was? She was older than Jesus FOR SURE!

[@barbarabaldwin7120]

SHE LOOKED 28

[@texaslocoman1]

@@barbarabaldwin7120 The real biblical woman who had 5 husbands might have been older than Jesus

[@iluvrolaz]

Pilates portrayed age in the show didnt bother me at all

[@Hope-kx9lz]

In my opinion, the actor has far too weak physics to portray a high-ranking Roman, let alone a former soldier. He and his wife look more like dancers or characters from Monty Python.

[@TheSnipeLife]

😂 that’s hilarious

[@Hope-kx9lz]

@@TheSnipeLife 🙏😊

[@texaslocoman1]

I think the acting is bad. Pontius Pilate was appointed in his mid twenties but he was pretty mature. Alexander The Great was very mature for his age 😄

[@ludwigmises]

I heard that Pilate commanded a “quack” legion.

[@shirleymercier5862]

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[@2012escapee1]

I first thought Pilate's wife was a boy. Pilate also has a gay vibe IMHO.

[@TheSnipeLife]

😂

[@elijahobiago5268]

I feel you lol

[@texaslocoman1]

This is a big hint! Pontius Pilate was a rumored favorite of Tiberius! The marriage of Pontius Pilate with Claudia procula was staged!!!! The show might just got everything right here!!!!

[@texaslocoman1]

The Pilate stone gives us a hint Pontius Pilate was a very very good friend of old Tiberius 😊

[@texaslocoman1]

Yes, Claudia hair style isn't Roman but the show might have their relationship completely right!!;

[@logicaredux5205]

No disrespect to the actors who portray Pilate and Claudia, but of course they are too young, simply on the basis of how long Pilate was Governor before even encountering Jesus. It’s one more example of how the Chosen is becoming more of a soap opera than the Gospel with all the overdone “backstory.” No, Jenkins is not giving us the most authentic Jesus story ever.

[@gabedipaola996]

Terrible casting. Pilate was a nasty guy who hated his assignment

[@hadassahpurim6489]

I looked up her name it was Claudia

[@nancyswass119]

No name that is mentioned in scripture is insignificant

[@byronlewis4847]

I'm sorry but this seems a bit awkward. He would have been old enough to command people and deal with unrest. Pilate ruled for ten years. He would have probably been the son of a influential Roman family. His British accent if he was from Britain would have been minimal.

[@texaslocoman1]

No. Military officers could become commanders in their 20s. But Pontius Pilate was not a military commander he was a prefect sort of administrator judge mayor.

[@texaslocoman1]

Traditional depictions of Pontius Pilate dressed in armor at the trial of Jesus is not accurate. Provincial governors didn't wear armor to seat on the judgment seat and pronounce or declare sentence! Pilate most likely was dressed in toga. He was not going to war early Friday morning! People, even "historians" lack of common sense.

[@kathybj]

Young and very effeminate!

[@emeraldgemhomevideoproduct9115]

Yes it was a mistake, BUT? I don't care I'm watching anyway. The young man plays the part well? Then stick to the main focus. Jesus Christ

[@jemsmom97]

Why am I thinking other Pilate actors were portrayed as young and a bit effeminate? Jesus Christ Superstar?

[@generationtriumphant125]

It doesn't even bother me that he is "young" it bothers me that he is so effeminate and prissy. I'm sorry but Roman's were warriors. The strange valley girl accent and the weird flirattiousness with Atticus is off putting. so cringe. This guy is just not good for Pontius of all people. Mel Gibsons was by far the best. A man's man and conflicted yet honestly trying to make the best move possible and honestly influenced by his wife and her premonition that Jesus was someone more than human ans innocent.

[@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat]

I don't voutch for this show.

[@perfectpeace00]

Then go away

[@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat]

@@perfectpeace00 Fly your Pride for deplorable abominations flag belligerently in the face of your Divine Creator while pretending to honor His sovereignty of design then.