What I Loved About the Snyder Cut - Spoiler Review!

Now that Zack Snyder's Justice League is out in the world, I wanted to do a deeper, spoiler-filled dive into the things I loved about the Snyder Cut!
00:00 - 04:45 :Intro/Aspect Ratio
04:45 - 11:04 : Part 1 "Don't Count on It Batman"
11:04 - 14:27 : Part 2 "The Age of Heroes"
14:27 - 21:20 : Part 3 "Beloved Mother, Beloved Son" / Cyborg Thoughts
21:20 - 30:55 : Part 4 "Change Machine" / Executives are Dumb
30:55 - 38:49 : Part 5 "All the King's Horses" / Who Got Cut and Why
38:49 - 44:00 : Part 6 "Something Darker" / My Favorite Part of the Movie
44:00 - 46:23 : Epilogue "A Father Twice Over" / Joker Stuff
46:23 - Final Thoughts
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[@victoriamuschka4207]

I loved the movie, and feel sorry for the actor who played Cyborg. He had to wait five years for people to see how well he did in the movie before the film was shredded for the time restriction.

[@BackYardBoxGardening]

I agree. I did not like Cyborg in the Josh Whedon version. At all. The Synder cut? Emotional impact caught me by surprise. I shed a tear with Cyborg's story arc and welled up when he helped that waitress. This is the Cyborg fans deserve.

[@Jjkhoza_vi]

Sacrificing heart for cringeworthy moments will always be beyond my reasoning

[@An_Inconvenience]

Joss: bUt It'S lIkE mAhVeL tHoUgH !?!?!?

[@Jjkhoza_vi]

@@An_Inconvenience the reason we love both is the contrast and not the similarities

[@Ray-gg3vq]

@@Jjkhoza_vi agree

[@An_Inconvenience]

@@Jjkhoza_vi exactly, thus the entire idea of "emulate the MCU" is conceptually fucked

[@Jjkhoza_vi]

@@An_Inconvenience they are opening a can of worms they won’t stand for

[@M1keFoxxx]

Man when Cyborg looks at his mom in the car and he's got tears streaming down his face, then the accident happens; that moment broke me. Such a great scene.

[@AlvaroChuquiureZadig]

its the shortest scene that has brought me to tears the fastest in my life.

[@Deidra-vu4hn]

I stop and watch it everytime. It brought so much humanity to the character

[@daniilashurov135]

I was already broken when he won the game but his father wasnt there...

[@kyransawhill6650]

You're not broken. And you're not alone.

[@Lionlovesunity]

😭😭😭😭😭🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🦁

[@M1keFoxxx]

"Why did you cut this?" may as well be a slogan for this movie

[@trylobyte07]

Yup. What I gather from many people (the general audience and casual viewers friends) was they also wondering why cut out good scenes and replaced with lesser scenes. I think most of them were expecting the cut stuff were some very dark and dour scenes hence why lighthearted joke scenes were inserted. But they were surprised that they were character scenes or funny scenes too.

[@kristingoree7105]

@@trylobyte07 I'm curious how people know what was a cut scene versus a Snyder reshoot? Is there a dead give away? Spotting Wheadon added scenes are easier, but for me personally I can't tell if its an original cut scene or a reshot scene.

[@jeremiahsagers135]

@@kristingoree7105 The scenes with Martian Manhunter and Joker were the only additional photography filmed in 2020/2021 (to my knowledge), unless you count some new mo-cap for the history lesson.

[@richardlinares6314]

Seems almost like Marvel paid Wheadon to sabotage Justice League. But really it was probably more like, "Well they're paying me to do something. Might as well make it mine no matter what the cost." Egos, SMH.

[@trylobyte07]

@@kristingoree7105 It's confirmed in the interviews that the additional scene that Snyder shot was only the last Knightmare sequence with Joker, Deathstroke, Batman, etc and the Martian Manhunter scene. The rest were shot before but he just finished the special effects.

[@bloodthirstyworks]

Love it when dan says, *insert scene* "Of course they cut it, moving on...."

[@personwithcommonname]

Agreed, that made the point perfectly.

[@Scrapluv]

I felt the scene with the Jor-El/Jonathan voiceover was the real birth of Superman

[@CorbCorbin]

Too bad Supes barely spoke 20 words

[@Scrapluv]

@@CorbCorbin That's ok. His hands did all the talking. No time for dialogue,

[@kevinlinsley9594]

MOS is about birth BVS is about death JL is about rebirth

[@VMG3001]

full circle from the very first man of steel teaser trailers

[@thefuzzyone933]

I don't know. I'm kinda with Aquaman on this one. I dont think superman is really back. They are heavy handed at setting up that he is going to be more susceptible to "dark"-er influences.

[@jackryan6747]

It’s ironic that Steppenwolfs character development and inclusion of his motivations made him more human than changing his look did.

[@emhu2594]

It still wasn’t enough. Shallow villains are not compelling.

[@ChildishGambeaner]

@@emhu2594 yeah he was better but still not all that great or complex

[@alvinanis3006]

@@emhu2594 Nothing shallow about his character

[@ndo533]

Ironic right

[@hello-gx6oi]

Atliest we can understand why he would do that

[@thisguydan]

Poor Miles Dyson just can't catch a break. He finds a new revolutionary technology he's excited about, it ends up being something that will destroy the world, he has to help the good guys break into his own facility to steal it, and then dies in the attempt. One day Miles, you'll make it through.

[@DATFilms]

He was in Godzilla King of Monsters... The third time is a charm if he's in Zilla V Konk

[@patrickcharles6983]

Terminator 2- Joe Morton sacrifices himself to save the world from evil cyborgs! ZS's Justice League- Joe Morton sacrifices himself to help his son who is a Cyborg save the world from evil!

[@SimonBuchanNz]

I just watched The Astronaut's Wife (which is pretty meh) and he's the NASA guy that figures out the evil plan, gets fired when nobody believes him, our hero doesn't believe him either initially then he gets killed by the villain. No luck at all.

[@viqneuman.5111]

Dr Hamilton from Smallville. Not that Dr. Hamilton. That was a later season.

[@andrewah15]

Perhaps he’s been typecast. Let’s hope that he makes it through in his next movie 🎥👍🏾

[@ManAtWar_8895]

"Dad, whatever happens, i want you to know that your kid was among one of the best of the best."

[@mikehartley8234]

That shit made water come out my face...lol

[@kyransawhill6650]

@@mikehartley8234 - Hopefully not in the same way Mera made water come out of Steppenwolf's face.

[@thelaughingstormbornagain1297]

The look Vic gives his mom when he's talking to her about his dad not showing up is heartbreaking.

[@ChildishGambeaner]

No wonder he was so pissed at the theatrical cut

[@thelaughingstormbornagain1297]

@@ChildishGambeaner No doubt so many excellent scenes showing off his acting range and ability to bring Cyborg to life.

[@abhishekkrishnan3850]

Dan's constant sarcastic refrain of "So obviously, it was cut" while discussing the wealth of Cyborg and Lois material that was removed is so funny

[@stanlee5465]

Well wasn't what Wonder Woman told the little girl just complete BS? I sure hope that little girl doesn't try deflecting bullets with her wrist bangles!

[@mikehartley8234]

@@stanlee5465

[@nIhIl34]

@@stanlee5465 setting limits on people's individuality is not something that a role model does, in good faith she told the little girl that she can be anything she wants.

[@kyransawhill6650]

@@stanlee5465 - I doubt the girl genuinely thinks she can be exactly like Wonder Woman. You can be like someone without having their entire set of skills and abilities. What matters is embodying what she represents. Being compassionate, headstrong, and setting a good example for others. The most important thing about Wonder Woman is her ability to inspire people and build their confidence in themselves. That's exactly what she did there and what that girl has the potential to live up to, as do we all. As Jor-El told Clark, "every person has the potential to be a force for good." It's also very similar to Stan Lee's famous words: "That person who helps others simply because it should or must be done, and because it is the right thing to do, is indeed without a doubt a real superhero."

[@morlun838]

@@kyransawhill6650 What's so inspirational about a murderer? Wonder Woman straight up murders dudes in front of those children, Diana may be inspiring elsewhere but in that sequence she was a straight up killer.

[@jamesgomez2361]

“There’s a reason I don’t have a long list of villains as long as Bruce’s, Barry’s or even yours. When I deal with them. I DEAL WITH THEM.” - Wonder Woman She was always a killer and very much ruthless. This was a faithful adaptation.

[@burninskin]

Well, she is a 5000 years old demigod warrior, so she must be a killer.

[@ImprintGMG]

@@burninskin exactly she an amazonian warrior why wouldn't she kill plus its the same in the comics how do heroes not till the villain like it doesn't make sense what are they gonna do lock up darkside in the future.

[@sirtoby4939]

That's bullshit. Wonder Woman has killed approximately one person in the mainline DC canon. That speech is a reference to that, written by a guy who shouldn't write Wonder Woman. But it's a movie. It's fine. Batman kills tons of people in his movies.

[@jamesgomez2361]

@@sirtoby4939 ok. So Wonder Woman crashing into church tower where a sniper is perched. Or when being punched, kick or slammed by a demi god wouldn’t kill you. Just because she isn’t outright slicing people in her own movies. Doesn’t mean she isn’t killing anyone by striking them. Ps. Ww84 hurt her more so then powered her.

[@hello-gx6oi]

Let's not forget that if Diana dint kill those terrorist Then those terrorist have a chance to hurt more

[@rkxproductions]

Hey. Lois IS pregnant! They show her in the end carrying a baby basket, Martha has baby toys in her hand, and Bruce's last line to Clark is "Congratulations by the way".

[@acceler8connections793]

They also showed a 🤰 pregnancy test kit in Lois Lane's drawer

[@jakubrejak1114]

@@makatron I have a similar issue in a different universe (Marvel). How can Vision have kids with Wanda if he's a hybrid between man and robot?

[@TiMonsor]

there s a rumor that the idea was its batmans baby. they fucked while sups was dead. i think Zack was thinking in this direction for a while at least.

[@chrishester9990]

@@jakubrejak1114 the kids weren’t real...

[@JordanSedai]

@@jakubrejak1114 As the Scarlet Witch, Wanda is a nexus being, whose capable of manifesting things out of nothing (details to be confirmed, it may actually be pulling things from other universes or something). So she presumably created them by herself using those powers. They were real, but were bound to her hex in Wandavision. If she knew what she was doing, it stands to reason that she could create them again in a way that they wouldn’t have to disappear.

[@davescarzo]

I'll bathe in your fear. Amazon's show him your fear! We have no fear! You cut that? Seriously?!?

[@Kevinselasie]

That shid hyped me tf up.

[@DanielTorres-pw8il]

This video forgot that scene completely. It had 300 vibes. I would pay to watch Snyder do a 300 style movie about the Amazons without Wonder Woman.

[@Ha1frican]

“Why do you ditch this scene?” Hubris. Joss believed anything he did would be better because he was the Avengers guy, and the studio did too. They couldn’t see the forest for the trees.

[@Shalalacls]

Meh, it was probably studio mandate to make it funnier. So he didn't really cut the scenes because he didn't like them, but probably because he thought "this is a point in the story where I can squeeze in a few jokes". The grave digging scene in particular comes to mind: it's a very good scene, but if you're on a mandate to make more jokes, a scene where two characters have to dig up a body is where I would go too. The dude's a dick, but he was as open as he could be about not liking how his version of the movie turned out.

[@clrae4882]

This movie looks so much like a dc comic book. Each frame looks like it can be captured and put in comic form. I can even imagine where the talking bubbles would go in the frame!

[@catspaghetti4515]

Yes! It felt so much like reading one irl, and i loved it, as ive always preferred dc comics over marvel, it felt good to see an adaptation that did the comics justice

[@alexsilva28]

That's how Infinity War felt for me

[@kfcbrahmin]

You can tell that this is the movie Zach ultimately wanted to make… had the most amount of heart compared to man of steel and Batman v superman

[@vishwanathh5029]

There is a 3hr 15-30 min cut somewhere that Zack would have thought of showing in theaters in 2017. I think the snyder cut is Snyder's promise to fans to show everything that he shot.

[@tobbakken2911]

he still cut some stuff actually

[@athenajaxon2397]

@@tobbakken2911 yeah like the "we live in a society" Joker thing

[@tobbakken2911]

@@athenajaxon2397 Snyder has actually said the black and white version (which will come soon) will have that alternate Joker scene.

[@athenajaxon2397]

@@tobbakken2911 ooooh I need to see that for sure

[@DoctorXander]

I'm keen to see some fan edits that bring it down to three hours. Sure it was great seeing Snyder go crazy with it but there's definitely a more concise movie possible. The obviously reshot content for one, I don't think Martian Manhunter was necessary at all. And then there's a lot of small edits that could be made, like that scene where Flash saves Iris West could work pretty well without showing why the truck driver got distracted

[@MrKstate21]

I was shocked at how much I liked this movie. There were moments I was laughing in bewilderment, like “what were they thinking cutting this?”

[@danielmillward9947]

And it's just beautiful simple stuff like sups and the butterfly or cyborg helping that woman with the atm expenses

[@qwertyferix]

There were some laughably corny or cliché things that were cut, too. Overall, _Zack Snyder's Justice League_ is the much better version, but it still has plenty of faults.

[@MrKstate21]

@@qwertyferix sure. I actually don’t agree with Dan about the flash scene, I thought it was pretty bad. But overall there were so many awesome scenes cut

[@MrKstate21]

@@danielmillward9947 agreed. So much better characterization and quality visual storytelling sometimes

[@samkj1953]

@@MrKstate21 what the hell😭

[@DrHiplop1]

Yeah I was stunned how much I loved the snyder cut. I watched it expecting it to be a silly movie to sort of laugh at because I hated the 2017 cut, but I left genuinely moved. I can not believe what they chose to cut. It had its issues, but it swung for the fences and really hit what it wanted to. Mad respect to Snyder for making this really special movie tbh

[@KPT437]

Agreed! Also, people forget that Snyder actually had a pretty difficult job of establishing all the new characters in this movie. Not just have them as tagged along. We understand Aquaman better because we’ve seen his movie but in 2017 that wasn’t the case. So Snyder has to do all that and tell a good story about the Justice League. Watching this version I can say that he had done a pretty good job of it! Especially with cyborg and flash.

[@mikehartley8234]

And Batman telling the Joker...”I’ll fucking kill you”. That was GOLD! You can’t be a Batman fan and NOT be annoyed at him not pulling the trigger on the Joker. The Joker, more than any villain in comics, ups his game after every escape from Arkham. And that shit is on Bats head.

[@MrRamonnoodles]

@@mikehartley8234 Yes sir!! I'll be honest it caught me by surprise but was a hell of a badass moment for Batman.

[@tamelo]

In the Aquaman movie the established that they speak in air bubbles when they don't want other atlanteans to hear.

[@TheShapingSickness]

Oh that makes sense

[@acceler8connections793]

Please share details. 🙏

[@vincentseidle954]

That was my understanding, makes sense since they are communicating outside of the bubble similar to a fish

[@kikilala9371]

And it's also true from a physics stand point, unless you have something that literally transmits/vibrates the noise into water any convo you have in an air bubble stays in the air bubble.

[@kyransawhill6650]

To be fair, Aquaman always uses speech bubbles in the comics.

[@mysticknight3302]

I felt every hero got their chance to shine.

[@phillipgray5394]

"Can I get a Bat, Bat, Bat?"Lego Batman 🤔 I don't feel like Batman got a chance to show his skills.

[@phillipgray5394]

@Meta Man I hate Batman relying on vehicles and didn't count that. Batman is a ninja but Snyder has him confused with Iron Man.

[@hello-gx6oi]

@@phillipgray5394 but he did Ninja moved After he ejected from his batmobile He did starts killing pwrademons in foot

[@samkj1953]

@@phillipgray5394 Dude, you do know that batman is old in this movie right? Yes your comment will be correct if batman was young and fresh like what Pattinson is portraying, but since he is old he is not that agile as he used to be.

[@phillipgray5394]

@@samkj1953 No, but that also doesn't make much sense. Why try to start a series of Justice League films with a Bat that needs to retire?

[@Zeratul187]

Dude I loved Cyborg sooooooo much ...... I want Ray fisher back #bringRayFisherback

[@Teatime7771]

Yes but he should say Boo-Yeah instead of Hell Yeah

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

The beginning scene of superman dying which ties back into BVS is a trend Zack does. BVS literally started by tying it into Man of Steel

[@Tomhyde098]

Here’s another example of things changing for the worst, I rewatched 2017 JL because I was curious. When Superman first brings Lois back to his childhood home in Smallville, in The Snyder Cut she says “You spoke”. In 2017 JL she says “You smell good”. It’s just a weird decision that diminishes her character. I couldn’t believe just how terrible 2017’s version is to the new one

[@kyransawhill6650]

There's also the fact that they replaced him affirming his engagement to Lois with jokes about him being itchy or wooden boxes. But replacing a meaningful line about him speaking like himself again (and for the first time since he's been back; it's the first time she's heard his voice since she lost him) with a joke about his smell is also pretty dumb. I guess it wouldn't have made sense in Whedon's cut, since he has that forced "Do you bleed?" exchange (with the weird accent) when facing Batman.

[@miridium121]

35 minutes in, I was about to write a sarcastic comment "so basically they cut out women and black characters" and then Dan reached that very conclusion.

[@swordsman111982]

It is shocking looking at the two versions how bigoted the theatrical release was.

[@garrettcarter5622]

And Asian characters.

[@Tike22]

Like fr, Ryan Choi - CUT; Ellinore Stone (Cyborg's mom) - CUT; Black Iris West - CUT; Silas Stone - Mostly CUT; Cyborg's whole purpose and backstory - Reduced to the shit that was in the Theatrical Cut. When Ray Fisher was speaking out on how Joss Weadon, Geoff Johns, other WB execs. were racist and covering up for Weadon, looking at it this way really makes you feel like he wasn't talking out of his ass and it was true.

[@darthqrow4582]

@@Tike22 Don't forget the Latino waitress

[@jeffreviews4620]

@@Tike22 Not to mention all the non-white Amazon’s and the Asian armies during the Darksied fight. I don’t want to cry racism here, but it’s not a great look.

[@redassassinyt4908]

In the comics Wonder Woman is known to be a killer, it's one of the reasons why she doesn't have a rogues gallery like Batman and Superman

[@davidtillman137]

rogue gallery?

[@clarkspacewayne2672]

@@davidtillman137 villains, its why most of her villains are Godlike

[@mohammedhussain6749]

Murder in dc is a big thing though whereas with marvel murder isn’t as thing as it is in dc

[@jesusblanco7657]

@DOOM Dragon Goblin Slayer Trinity Batman has a specific no killing rule lol that is literally crucial to his character. Otherwise, he would of killed joker a long time ago

[@jesusblanco7657]

@DOOM Dragon Goblin Slayer Trinity that’s true again though the common understanding of Batman is he has one rule and that is the no killing rule. And that’s not true, Batman 1989 was showed when there was no social media. So you can’t say people were upset about Batman blatantly killing . Also I think in the Mcu films they don’t glorify the action that they are killing people. And specifically in Batman and Superman they try to preserve life as much as they can

[@adamisrandom3150]

I like to refer to that first Martian Manhunter moment as the Martha Manhunter scene

[@TiMonsor]

marthian marthunter

[@phillipgray5394]

I love Manhunter but what the heck?

[@adamisrandom3150]

Those responses are great, you guys are awesome =) Hope you all enjoyed the film

[@TiMonsor]

@@adamisrandom3150 i sure did.

[@phillipgray5394]

@@TiMonsor I enjoy the Whedon cut and Snyder cut for different reasons. Justice League still isn't one of my favs but now I have more ways to enjoy my favorite heroes.

[@DeePatience]

I did NOT watch the original and am so glad I waited. I really really loved all the heroes, the acting, the side characters etc. They all mattered. Steffenwolf, Cyborg, Flash. Amazing.

[@athenajaxon2397]

I watched it in theaters and everything I loved turned out to be Zack Snyder's the Superman fight gave me chills and I love that it was expanded in this movie

[@sigu3726]

Zack Snyder is the original. Joss Whedon is remake lol

[@swordmonkey6635]

I think the WW bank scene made her character mesh nicely with what we saw in BvS... and how she wasn't really afraid of Superman when they were fighting him, more like "how can I persuade him to come around without elevating the violence?" That's a very WW thing to do. She was trying to talk him down as the fought and you could tell she was holding back even as she was getting hit harder and harder by Superman.

[@danielmillward9947]

Funny thing is, that was superman fully depleted as well 😂

[@pindot787]

@@danielmillward9947 oh yeah good point this awoken superman has just revived from the death, hasnt charged in proper sunlight, and still decimated the team.

[@pindot787]

@Meta Man Nope, watch the movie, after being awoken, supes need the black suit precisely to heal his power, thats why he goes straight to the sun after wearing the black suit. he is fully depleted when he decimated the team.

[@TChalla616]

I know this is the DCEU, but didn't Wonder Woman kill Superman in a comic for letting Themyscira be destroyed?

[@pindot787]

@@TChalla616 In the comic everyone could beat everyone to advance the plot, there are story where batman defeated entire justice league. or flash decimated the team etc.

[@LordMauel]

I absolutely loved it, the scene where cyborg helped that single mom alone was worth like all of it. Only gripe I’ve had were the song choices at some points and the sometimes rough looking animation, but otherwise, I really hope they’ll let me buy it on Blu Ray at some point.

[@athenajaxon2397]

I heard somewhere that the songs he picked were his daughter's favorites which made me feel a lot of softer towards them

[@JeffZ1028]

@@athenajaxon2397 Sound like bs otherwise I feel people would either be quoting Zack or his wife on that. Though if that were confirmed, I'd probably warm up to 'em a bit as well.

[@athenajaxon2397]

@@JeffZ1028 if I find the article I'll link it here

[@Twinsfan1992]

He said Hallelujah was Autumn's favorite song, not sure about any other song choice

[@JeffZ1028]

@@Twinsfan1992 I don't think that one's even in the film though it was in the trailers. It was in Watchmen.... during a sex scene...

[@patriciocarrasco7641]

I loved this version and I agree, this is the superior version of the story. Regarding the air bubble, a friend of mine suggested an interesting explanation, they used it to have a "private" conversation, the air conducts sounds worse than the water. Probably wasn't the intention, but personally I prefer this over they can't speak underwater

[@lenkeogh-domingo8135]

You forgot to mention the conversation between Diana and Arthur at the graveyard. How both of their people have the same expression, symbolizing that people can be united even from different backgrounds. It's an important lesson that a lot of people need to learn and unification is what saves the world in this movie.

[@robertopalmieri3803]

"faster than the speed of light, far beyond the speed of light". Ezra's line delivery there is something else.

[@patrickcharles6983]

The aspect ratio kinda gives the film a comic panel/dream like quality. a 3hr20min cut could've worked well in theaters back then. Whoever chose the Whedon cut over Snyder's cut needs to be kicked in the crotch repeatedly for that choice.

[@sunsetman22]

I hate that their whole reasoning was "we payed money for the reshoots, it's not like we're not going to use them LMAO". just delaying the movie and perhaps demanding a refund from Joss Whedon could've saved it and made it come out in time to beat Infinity War (though knowing WB, they might've pushed it around the same time Infinity War came). now we have the entire movie in its pure form, but at the cost of it not having beat Marvel. but alas, for want of a yearly bonus...

[@kennedyhedges6812]

I also loved the detail during the resurrection of Superman, cyborg had an apocalyptic vision akin to Batman. That scene of darkside recruiting Superman while he’s holding the charred remains of Lois, wonder woman’s funeral - chills. The cherry on top was cyborg then said “no” and Barry misinterpreted it as “go”. Another “it’s got cyborg, of course it was cut”

[@Dragonphoenix25]

That apocalyptic scene juste before awakening the 3rd Box really showed the threat level of Darkseid and his intentions.

[@kennedyhedges6812]

@@Dragonphoenix25 Exactly!!! As Dan would say “of course it was cut”

[@alvinanis3006]

Darkseid already obtained the anti life equation then, you can see it in his eyes.

[@akuma63]

The Anti-Life Equation will allow Darseid to rule the Universe. In Kirby's "New Gods" the Anti-Life Equations is what brings Darkseid to Earth. "Motherboxes" are living computers used by the New Gods for information, communication, opening "Boom Tubes", disguise and healing.

[@leonthesleepy]

I'll go out on a limb and say this. The flash entering speedforce/ reversing time scene tops anything i have seen from the DCEU or MCU to date. Just such a beautiful scene, both character wise and visually. And the music just sealed the deal.

[@ChickenOfTheCaveMan]

I disagree with Martha being revealed to be MM in that scene as bad. It shows how MM had been following different characters, studying them, so much so that he can have a very personal talk with Lois. So when he's warning Bruce, you know the threat is real, and I love Bruce's reaction of being kind of meh because he probably knew of MM already and already knows and talking steps to a Darkseid matchup anyway.

[@exhaustguy]

I find that a violation by MM of Lois. There should be repercussions from it if the story line continues. It fits in well if you assume MM is a fish out of water. I wonder when he replaced the General. I like to believe it was late in the process - perhaps the General actually got killed during Zod's attack. MM has been on the sidelines until another alien has revealed himself.

[@jacobaarum]

Well he is also a telepath...

[@jacobaarum]

@@exhaustguy Martian Manhunter was Swanwick in Man of Steel. He stood on the sidelines because he has been watching, not closely but enough to just try and be the thing that pushes Clark and Lois to be their best selves. I’m sure more will be explained later on.

[@hrishitelcontar]

This obviously wouldn't have been Snyder's theatrical cut in 2017, but its probably close to what his final director's cut with all the extra pickles would've been.

[@famousthaneus9810]

They wanted it trimmed down to 2, 2.5hrs. I think he even said he tried cutting it down before he left and it didn’t take well

[@kenco8679]

Fun fact. When superman is about to use his laser vision on flash in the JL vs. Superman scene, the flash throws out his hand the exact same way that he did to tap into the speed force at the end of the movie. Theres a theory that the flash was going to break his rule when superman was attacking them

[@korndud]

they cut all of ray fisher's scenes on purpose. that's why there's all that drama behind the scene. they were purposefully trying to sabotage his character.

[@XanthosAcanthus]

I believe the given reason was some exec made was something along the line of "we can't have the central character being an angry black guy." Don't quote me on that. It's funny how you can be even more racist when you try too hard to think about offending.

[@jokeisajokelol9018]

@@XanthosAcanthus nah ur right, that’s what Ray said a witness told him. WB need to clean house man

[@sunsetman22]

@@XanthosAcanthus it was Geoff Johns who said that, which for me is completely incomprehensible coming from THE comic book writer who basically introduced Cyborg to the Justice League and who's comic book stories are more or less in line with what Snyder did with his DC films. I guess that's why he's still featured in the "special thanks" segment of the credits, even though he gave up his producer credit along with Jon Berg. although, as someone suggested in another comment section, it could be that those excellent comics are the work of ghost writers...

[@XanthosAcanthus]

@@sunsetman22 thanks for letting me know. Crazy to think about.

[@JuneyYT]

the score for the speed force barry scene is called "At the Speed Force" and it might be one of the best scores for a superhero scene ever.

[@nicknacs7835]

Ah yes, Desaad, the guy who screens Darkseid’s calls

[@Double-R-Nothing]

Desaad: You have an incoming call, my master. Darkseid: (puts down Stadia controller) Put it through. Phone: *He Omega Beams it*

[@1305sarthak]

Steppenwolf: Notice me senpai!! Darkseid: Steps on his severed head

[@ReinJOaquin14]

This stephenwolf feels more human than the other one, you feel for this character and understand him.

[@yippykiyay89]

I felt so sorry for him. Poor guy just wanted to go home lol

[@bloodysundayrnr2933]

Which is funny because physically he looks more monstrous, but he's written in a way that's far more human and relatable.

[@ReinJOaquin14]

@@bloodysundayrnr2933 yes the way he’s written it humanise him

[@paulpesci1]

@@ReinJOaquin14 Also the eyes. He's completely alien but has very human eyes.

[@vagandoporelmundo]

I am not a fan of superhero movies...but I loved this Justice League movie.

[@allanm3797]

I had low hopes for this movie and honestly thought it was going to be shallow and corny, but I was wrong. This movie has depth ,great character development, entertaining story line, dramatic and dark(compared to the 21017 version),and seemed more realistic compared to the original. I've already watched it twice. Lol

[@asifrahaman8529]

Zack Snyder's [ancient lamentation music playing] Justice League

[@MrShaunG]

Lol , Guess I’m not the only one watching with subtitles.. didn’t even mean to but for some odd reason it was set

[@qwertyferix]

The music took me out of it at times and even made me laugh.

[@EE-bg1de]

Finally, Fans of the CW Flash can Fully embrace Ezra Miller as the Flash, he was that good.

[@justicekreider2978]

Personally i would have liked the CW running animation for this movie, for some parts at least, it feels like he's jogging even tho he is moving fast

[@AVeryHeavyAgenda]

Glad to hear you responded to that final flash sequence the same way I did, once that happened I finally realized Zack did the DC universe justice in a way that nobody had done before in live action, and this is coming from not a fan of bvs or mos

[@RamenzillaX]

I hate to be “that person”, but the reason the Cyborg character development was cut is because Joss Whedon is.....what’s the word? He has no interest in telling a compelling or complicated story about a Black character. Do with that what up you will.

[@ThatGuyThai]

He cut out the black amazonians entirely, iris west as she was black, along with both black parents of cyborg. Oh and general swanwick. I'm probably forgetting a few others as well.

[@jacobaarum]

Well, Geoff Johns too. Gal Gadot had a bad experience with Joss Whedon and she went to Deborah Snyder. Ray Fisher had a bad experience and he went to Geoff Johns, who brought Whedon on in the first place. With the 2 hour mandate, Cyborg was gonna get cut anyway, but it was also Geoff’s pettiness and Ray having no prior on screen history that allowed for Johns to say, yeah; “we don’t need an angry black man to be the heart of this movie” and that’s the racist abuse part. Along with their weird obsession with letting the audience know, he has a dick

[@lazul6611]

Muh white supremacy! Why in the hell would there be black Amazonians anyway? It’s an Ancient Greek myth. Talk about cultural appropriation. Lol

[@RamenzillaX]

@@lazul6611 Did you really think that was a “gotcha”? You being bothered by seeing Black Amazons in a fictional story is really your problem. Not mine, not Zack Snyder’s, not the actresses. I recommend a productive hobby and maybe some therapy.

[@lazul6611]

Ramenzilla ah shit! You got me dude!

[@anngo4140]

I like this movie a lot, If they make a sequel, I'm willing to watch it in theater at least 3 times.

[@cristhian4301]

Your analisys on the cut scenes being targetted at specific characters makes so much sense. I'm glad i watched this video. Great work by the way, excellent stuff

[@slimpanther02]

I also prefer that they just talk underwater normally in the Aquaman movie, but as a counterpoint, I think the intent in ZSJL is that they need the air bubbles to talk to Arthur in English (presumably because he doesn't speak Atlantean). There are brief scenes where Mera speaks to the motherbox guards and it's in a kind of whalesong/dolphin speak. That would be hard to sustain for a whole movie, but it does make a kind of grounded sense in that language evolved for a thicker fluid medium probably wouldn't sound like everyday english. This one idea made the air bubbles palatable for me.

[@studynot757]

This movie was phenomenal. The word I think best describes it is MYTHIC

[@vinoveritas757]

This review should have been called “Character Devolpment! ... so of course they cut it.”

[@johnsteel2377]

The Flash speed of light scene was excellent. I got similar vibes from the “leap of faith” scene in In to the Spider-verse.

[@dontrailtyson8405]

Yes yes yes

[@leonthesleepy]

I hope we get to see more of Snyder verse on streaming! This format is perfect for letting snyder tell longer stories

[@davidwiley4953]

I hope he's done with DC. Let better directors take over.

[@WasimSaleem]

@@davidwiley4953 The multiverse allows different takes to exist at the same time. There is no take over.

[@davidwiley4953]

@@WasimSaleem Except it's been shit with Snyder at the helm. I want to see talent directors make DC movies now.

[@factoryofdivisiveopinions]

Hell yeah. I wish he'd finish the rest of the story via a miniseries. Would be perfect.

[@WasimSaleem]

@@davidwiley4953 You're not going to see any of that. You're going to continue to see WB try to emulate marvel.

[@aubrimartinez8726]

"If you can't figure out what your reason is, then ask yourself what that reason is", thank you for putting it in words Dan. It is extremely necessary for creators to think on these decisions and how they will stand

[@lettheloveflow]

She vaporizes Roose Bolton, glad I am not the only one who still calls him that. Lol

[@youarechallengedbychampion5303]

wtf that was Roose Bolton?! no wonder he looked familiar

[@TiMonsor]

i dont care for her killing but omg the property damage. why blow up the whole building, just punch a hole in his chest. she was to eager to snap those bracelets.

[@parkeranimations3671]

@@TiMonsor does it matter? It’s cool to look at. The whole building wasn’t even destroyed. It was just a wall.

[@arkym12]

I think most of Cyborg's cut stuff had to with either subtle or flagrant clashes between Fischer and Whedon on set. The result was just petty retribution on Whedon's behalf - which is why Fischer was so outspoken about the matter.

[@TheSt1092]

The fleshed out character development particularly for Cyborg made this film a much richer and memorable experience . The theatrical cut is kind of mindless fun whilst you are watching it but you instantly forget it once it's finished . Tom Holkenberg's score and the colour palette changes make this this film make this version much more intense , grounded and visceral as an ex. I actually don't think the theatrical cut is as terrible as some people make out because it does have good moments ( mostly if not all Snyder moments) but compared to Snyder Cut it is very generic and bland .

[@tucosito1]

The way I understood the air bubble thing is that It was used for land languages like English. Atlantean sounds more like the way dolphins and whales communicate, as is shown just before Steppenwolf attacks, and it makes a lot of sense to me given the properties of sound through water. Also makes sense they would skip that in the Aquaman movie and just get a dub from Atlantean to English

[@genises200]

I believe it's used to talk in private so other Atlantians can't hear what you're talking about

[@GreenCrib]

Zack Snyder’s Justice League is a Masterpiece! Thank you for braking down why Dan Murrell. I hope this story continues!

[@JeffZ1028]

Uhh... are those Dan's own words or are you putting words into his mouth?

[@daaniel_malik]

Retitle the video to: "Why would you cut this?" 🤔 😆 I was asking myself that every five minutes 😂

[@alaskamerryjane2182]

I am so glad you did this review. Watching Cyborgs story this time around added so much to the DC universe and gave his character so much more depth. So glad that cut the power plant family it made no sense . This movie flowed so much better and made the awkwardness of forming a new team believable

[@algill71]

The difference is astonishing and you have to wonder wtf they were thinking with the JW cut....seems malicious ....very happy for Snyder to get his movie out there...loved it

[@guguemichaels]

Man, you broke it down perfectly! I have entirely new appreciation for the Snyder's cut now. I enjoyed if yesterday, but now I really appreciate it more. Going to watch it again now that I've heard how you saw it. Thanks brother!

[@eyesofthefox]

I've seen the other JL a few times and didn't remember anything. I watched this one once, and remember everything.

[@thezx5795]

The 2017 movie is just a big "WHY?"

[@kingofurukgilgamesh7828]

In addition to the things everyone is saying (Cyborg, etc) I think the Themyscira fight scene was improved extremely. In the 2017 version, it just seemed like the amazons were incompetent. It made the amazons look bad, and also didn't build up Steppenwolf, since he just beats a bunch of idiots. But the 2021 version showed the amazons as extremely capable, and still failing to stop Steppenwolf. This built up the amazons more, and also established Steppenwolf as a real threat. I think the value of this is kind of underrated. How Steppenwolf's first scene establishes him as a threat, compared to 2017 version, where he is just an evil guy who beats a couple of incompetent fools.

[@salemsaberhagen1570]

Did anyone else notice how Steppenwolf only engages with Diana in the Snyder Cut? Like he calls her by her race and speaks to her as if she's an equal. He doesn't do that with any of the others. I feel like that was a very interesting detail.

[@Nomarandus]

It's still understandable in the DCEU that Darkseid forgot a planet that fought back 5,000 years ago - not like forgetting a parked car

[@sunsetman22]

people forget what they were doing five minutes ago yet they complain about some alien warlord forgetting a planet he fought some thousand years ago?

[@matthewwestfall2688]

Let’s get the Snyder theatrical cut! A 3 hour justice league movie that cleans up the directors cut would definitely improve the film

[@puniopenetrante]

Darkseid didn't know the Anti-Life equation was there when he first went to conquer it.

[@Im_Ish]

Yeah that's one of a few moments that kinda doesn't makes sense in this version.

[@Tike22]

he didn't know it when he first smashed the ground and the big ass symbol formed around him??? IDK kinda seems hand-wavy to me.

[@thedarkemissary]

Seems like the giant symbol that pops up would have given it away, being that that's the exact same way Steppenwolf found out too.

[@danielmillward9947]

He new, he even states he went back out and destroyed thousands of worlds hoping one of them was the planet

[@yagopacheco2855]

He knew but couldn't find Earth again probably due to his injuries

[@bloodstarkidlander9159]

To no one's surprise, this is the most fair, well-balanced, and level-headed review of the movie. And that's not just because I loved it myself, it's because all of Dan's arguments have decent reasoning coupled with honest reception. No wonder this guy is THE Movie Fights and Schmoedown GOAT. I wish more of the internet paid attention to Dan's perspective as opposed to so many others here on KZbin.

[@Pedrg93]

This is exactly what I wanted to see someone do. Great work as always, Dan! I am glad this now, truly, exists.

[@sharangusername]

Please don’t stop making videos. Love this Dan

[@bilalsadain]

The only thing I'd change in this movie would be the real Martha Kent talking to Lois Lane instead of Martian Manhunter. Other than that this movie was amazing.

[@qwertyferix]

The world needs Martha Manhunter.

[@yagopacheco2855]

Really disliked MM, can't put my finger on why just felt weird and cgi wasn't on point but technically it was martha talking to Lois he's a mind-reader he expressed exactly what martha thinks

[@phillipgray5394]

I agree. I love Manhunter but him posing as Martha was just weird.

[@phillipgray5394]

@@qwertyferix I agree but the way he was used was odd.

[@phillipgray5394]

@@yagopacheco2855 So, then where's Martha? Did Manhunter kidnap her?

[@aaron6a]

That's a fantastic review dan, thank you, you speak all the things i want to say from my heart about this movie, please keep up the good work, been you fan since your screen junkies days.

[@teruphoto]

This was absolutely night and day better than the 2017 version, but I had problems with the editing early on. It felt like Zack reordered his own script because the way the bits played didn't flow smoothly. This was especially noticeable during the opening when Superman's scream affected all the Mother Boxes and then it cuts to Bruce looking for Aquaman. This takes place weeks if not months after Superman's death but the edit makes it feel simultaneous. In regards to all the great ideas that were cut from the 2017 version, I can't help but think that Whedon purposefully sabotaged the movie. There's no other way to explain why anyone would leave out something great and add inferior substitutes.

[@armel2467]

I like how they changed the way the Atlantians talk underwater without the air bubble, it sounds like they communicate using clicking sounds like dolphins which is much closer to reality than actually talking underwater in Aquaman movie

[@natethegreat7821]

Dan I’m not new to you as a personality but I’m certainly a new subscriber to your channel and I’m LOVING the vibes. You’re one of the most professional and least egotistical personalities out there so keep it up man! I must admit I was triggered by your admittedly brief mentioning of Wonder Woman killing. She’s a warrior! Ironman killed terrorists and nobody cared. Captain America, Black Widow...all of the Avengers kill and nobody cares. There’s no moral rule for Wonder Woman to not take lives to spare lives; she was a trained warrior and they were terrorists going to kill an all girls school at that! I’m not even mad at ya but I get triggered by people having this strange rule where DC characters are “gritty edgelords” for killing but MARVEL characters can literally do no wrong. Shoot even Spiderman has killed in the MCU😅

[@Natapier]

Well said!!

[@ryanburks1314]

So yeah, you’re the man. Always a pleasure watching your breakdowns, but especially because of your undeniable ability to consistently provide interesting & engaging discussions about the things we love to love.

[@eugenemcnair2254]

I love the mirror of Bruce about to kill Supes in BvS and Lois arriving and now Supes about to kill Bats and she arrives

[@clarkspacewayne2672]

if theres any hero that should kill people in the movies, its wonder woman

[@TonyLehane]

Especially terrorists

[@theman37379]

Especially terrorists who are trying to kill children just for the hell of it

[@ProuvaireJean]

Yup. Superman just should not kill people, period. Or if he does absolutely have to, then certainly not in the first movie in a franchise. And despite Batman's willingness to kill in his earliest comic book appearances, I don't think Batman should kill either. But it's justifiable to portray Wonder Woman, who was raised and trained in a warrior culture, as having no compunction to kill if she feels she has to. It's the interplay between her warrior prowess and her deep compassion that make her a compelling character.

[@Dragonphoenix25]

@@ProuvaireJean I would say that I didn't like seeing Superman killing Zod, but I understand it. It means that Zod was so dangerous, powerful, driven by hate and revenge by the fact that his role in existence was taken from him, that if Superman didn't stop him right there, people would die. Zod FORCED Superman to break his ethos, which is one of the reasons why Zod was a great villain and well portrayed too in Man of Steel!

[@rexcango7058]

@@ProuvaireJean he only killed zod because he had no choice.it was him or that family.you could tell he really didnt want to do it and hoe much it hurt him.im perfectly fine with that.it grounds the man of steel in a way that goes with this universe.

[@sony8591]

"Of course they cut it" Every time Dan says this I nod my head and said, "I know right" Like, I literally paused my movie multiple times while watching just to figure out why they cut it. Like seriously, why????? Especially Cyborg stuff. It made the while movie better and more cohesive. Like damn. I read someone say that Josh might have seen a really good Justice l ague movie written here and therefore decided to butcher it so that no one comes close to Avengers and these cuts really make me feel that way even if I know that's not the case.

[@LOTRFAN33]

Honestly, do you think that Snyder himself could have done a good movie from his footage if he had to cut it down to 2 hrs? Think of what can be cut from the Snyder cut without butchering something. Now multiply that serval times to bring it down to 2 hrs.

[@burninskin]

@@LOTRFAN33 If I knew from the start that I have 2h fixed. I could cut like 1h hour from the stuff we got in the SC and I would cut Aquaman and leave him for the 2nd part. I don't think he was really necessary for this movie. And I definitely would not include MM. But I think a 2.5h JL movie could be perfectly made out of the SC.

[@LOTRFAN33]

@@burninskin Maybe but the studio wanted 2hrs not 2.5. They made Snyder cut BvS to 2 hrs and look how that suffered. Also there is no reason to believe WB would have allowed a part 1 and part 2 for JL even though that would have made more sense.

[@android131c]

need a Affleck directed Batman series on HBO Max 👍 i wanna see him fight Killer Croc

[@raufxojasharifov]

After that scene with Luthor, I really wanna see him facing Deathstroke. Such a shame we probably won't get it

[@JeffZ1028]

I'm 1000X more interested in what they set up with Deathstroke considering he now knows who Batman is not to mention the potential for one of THE best fights in movie history with Batman vs. Deathstroke.

[@thomaspaterson1354]

My heart is so broken we haven't seen a solo batfleck outing and I so badly want to see it even if it's just one outing I'll be happy

[@ThatGuyThai]

Such an amazing experience. I personally loved the MM reveal, who knew that Swanwick had been under our nose the entire fucking time. I lost my shit because I avoided spoilers, didn't see it coming!

[@MonteLeeMyPOV]

So where the fuck was he when Zod almost destroyed the world?

[@edv8064]

@@MonteLeeMyPOV so there is a Snyder interview on utube, originally it was suppose to be John Stewart coming from the lantern corps. Introducing himself. Warner bros, did not want the green lantern to be in the end sequence, asked Zack to take him out. Snyder didn’t at first but then came out with Martian man hunter introducing himself, instead of the green lantern.

[@emhu2594]

it was supposed to be green lantern, which would have made a lot more sense to me

[@clrae4882]

The Lois and Martha (Martian man hunter) was brilliant in my opinion, because he also lost Superman. The only other alien, someone he had hope of connecting with, and needed to talk to someone about it, and He and Lois have an established relationship from the previous movies, so it’s still mourning between friends, Lois is just unaware which one.

[@thedarkemissary]

Except it removes Martha from the movie. Her character's emotional impact of that scene is completely undercut. And eventually the only thing she has in the movie is reacting to her son being alive. All for a weird Martian Manhunter tease.

[@JeffZ1028]

@@thedarkemissary This is how I felt. Martha needed another scene or two because of this fake out.

[@athenajaxon2397]

@@thedarkemissary yeah I'm mixed on that scene because it was a great reveal but took away from Martha

[@Matthew_Baratheon]

I agree and disagree. I wish we just had a moment where the General came and talked to lois, in addition to Martha. Him pretending to be Martha seems to undo the closeness that Martha and Lois have. I would have loved to have him approach lois seperately, after she talked to Martha..where he delivered that last line about her coming back to the fray.

[@Nerithielful]

also why you have to reshoot the farm scenes and have to cgi the mustache when you have one thats arguably better than yours. Great review

[@TheRealdealdude2]

Had to drop a sub for you. Really enjoyed this rundown talk of the movie. Great energy, and I agree with a lot of what you said Mr. Murrell!

[@peterwhitford8032]

Dan, the screen ratio comparison you opened with was brilliant and I love your analysis on movies, if I ever had a question about movies I would ask you.

[@quibblings]

Steppenwolf's final scene was him getting steppened on. *Chef's kiss*

[@JeffZ1028]

@@mattym8038 Ahh, a fellow Kevin Smith watcher? lol All I can think of everytime I see someone say "Chef's kiss" now 😅

[@joeykordahi9927]

I had a dream. More like a premonition. That HBO Max bout to restore the Snyder verse.

[@stephenthedude4383]

Hope you're right

[@davidwiley4953]

Please God no. Please let Snyder be done with DC.

[@luckyday8522]

Please no. We can’t let this level of writing be in any way acceptable.

[@davidwiley4953]

@@luckyday8522 You mean his shit writing, right?

[@juanpatriciomaqui5575]

Let’s just HOPE they’re not too late

[@TheShapingSickness]

Had no idea that you had a channel!!! Subscribed immediately. Loved your commentary on the movie. I just watched it, was really happy at how different it is. 2017 I was super angry and disappointed. This new version, I'm happy and satisfied.

[@cb1982]

Excellent analysis Dan. Thanks for the great content!

[@BebeSoule]

For the Darkseid segment, he forgot what planet he was defeated on because he hasn't just conquered 10,000's worlds, he's conquering universes. Remember when his convoy told Steppenwolf that he owes, "50,000 worlds after this" for betraying Darkseid? Meaning they conquer 10,000's of worlds on a daily bases. It'd be hard to remember the one that fought back. Also, how many worlds do you have to conquer to forget the one who fought back? Must be an insane amount.

[@MonteLeeMyPOV]

If i conquered 10's of 1000's of worlds, you better dam bet i would remember the ONE that i didn't.

[@BebeSoule]

@@MonteLeeMyPOV Not 10's of 1000's, more like millions of worlds.

[@TonyLehane]

Wonder Woman was literally killing terrorists not low level criminals so I have no issue with it. cyborg and flash were hurt the most by the omissions. Not Alfred IMO.

[@Xenabuffyfan]

THANK YOU

[@eyesofthefox]

Thanks for making content!

[@kityhawk2000]

"It was a great scene between these two characters, so of course they cut it". That should be Dan's tagline for the movie