Dark: Can You Control Your Future?

Netflix's "Dark" - Do we have any freedom at all? Even in time travel?
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The German Netflix series Dark offers a gritty new twist on time travel. But what if the show is really about the illusion of freedom and our inability to change fate? Let's find out in this Wisecrack Edition on Dark: Can You Control Your Future?
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[@matthewjarek3026]

In the end, the message I took away from Dark was that teenagers should always use protection.

[@Daddy_Skeletor]

Underrated Comment

[@Cmikul25g]

and move out of the city they grew up in

[@elladomisteriosodelaislawoodoo]

But most importantly dont do road trips during a rainstorm

[@ashkuigp]

@@elladomisteriosodelaislawoodoo real advice

[@malte1984]

honk your aunt with responsibility :D

[@javierporrata356]

the biggest mystery is how they managed to find the perfect actors for every stage of the characters' lives

[@PapayaStyle]

for a few of them they cast family membersto play other versions

[@bb1459.]

Plot twist... They have a real time machine.

[@isaiahromero9861]

And how they all managed to be not just good, but great actors

[@BernardoDominguesBotelho]

Adult Magnus was just perfect!

[@pregmobrainrot2857]

magnus was literally identical bro

[@DGenerationX1311]

The storyline with Katharina at the beach and then the kids finding the necklace years later on the same beach is one of my fav smaller storylines of the show

[@GrainneMhaol]

It's wild how many times I swung between hating Ulrich and Katherina and breaking my heart for them.

[@alannahhurley386]

It's also cool that the necklace originates from Egon given to Hannah who then gives it to Katherine's mother.

[@bluespiral4678]

Katherina being killed by her mother was crazy enough for me.

[@LogicUnfolded]

Remember earlier on when the kids are swimming in the lake and one of them tells the rumor or tale, to try and frighten Martha, of the grieving wife who lost her husband and drowned in and/or haunts the bottom of the lake; then another of the kids grabs Martha's leg and pulls her under? Then later on its actually her own mother who went back in time and was killed by HER mother and weighed down to sink and stay hidden in the lake? Gave me goose bumps when I recalled the story the kids jokingly tell and I proceeded to make the connection!

[@bluespiral4678]

@@LogicUnfolded ....yea, I didn't realize that. The thought of that is so tragic, hell of a family tree. 😬

[@Thedudeyea]

Dark raised the bar so high, best show ever created

[@SimplyMayaBeauty]

One of my all time favorite shows by far. I live in Germany and my boyfriend surprised me by taking me to the original locations of the bridge and the church, super cool experience!

[@miliba]

you got a wonderful boyfriend. keep him

[@cyrilio]

OMG. where are they located?

[@SimplyMayaBeauty]

@@cyrilio Pretty close to Berlin actually! Pretty sure both were within Brandenburg. My boyfriend told me he just googled it and found them.

[@jlupus8804]

You saw the Sic Mundus locale??

[@Karin-fj3eu]

I'm staying to the north of Berlin this year and I'm gonna go to those locations that are near that!

[@Severian1]

I almost didn't watch this Masterpiece because of the Dub. Please, if you're new to it, watch it in the original language.

[@matthewjarek3026]

Though the dub should be checked out for some good laughs. 😆 😂

[@Severian1]

@@matthewjarek3026 😂😂😂

[@bluespiral4678]

I can't watch anything dubbed from its original language. It takes away from the experience for me.

[@FriedFreya]

The only good advice for foreign shows, tbh. It's never as good whenever dubbed. The original words used are beyond perfect, and I'm tempted to try and find a way to watch.

[@qualorii]

I thought the dub was just fine. If I wanted to read an entire TV series, I'd just read a book instead.

[@scarletspidernz]

The show can get very confusing, tips for watching it: 1) Watch with original German voices & subs (no dubba dubba dub dub!) 2) Pay attention. its not a show you can watch while doing things including checking your msgs. You'll miss too much. There's lots of small details. 3) Find a family tree map (per season so you don't spoil to far ahead), this will help you keep tabs on who's who (dark wiki also helps) 4) Take your time, rewind if necessary, sometimes there's a lot of info to take in or process 5) Have fun as you go down this rabbit hole :D

[@s4098429]

scarletspidernz Who checks their messages while watching shows? You’re not in school people, you don’t have to do it if you’re not interested.

[@scarletspidernz]

@@s4098429 A lot of people do while watching shows, either that or doing something else on their phones. Also I said "tips for watching", NOT "how to watch/how you should watch" big difference there.

[@tanyaadlakha1120]

Also, I think for the best experience of Dark, one should watch and re-watch all the seasons without watching the last episode considering that you might not appreciate some S1-2 details without the knowledge of S3 and might get lost mid-way due to "unnecessary" drag. Then after both watches, go for the last episode and have your mind blown altogether!! Also, the re-watch may give you proper hints towards the ending. That's my view as a Tip to watch Dark.

[@gal2659]

"My only aim is to take many lives, the more the better I feel" -E. Tiedemann / Kreator

[@MaxIronsThird]

- Ulrich Nielsen

[@gal2659]

@Irish Jester It's qouted in the show a few times, if that's what you asked. And if you meant if they wrote it, no, it's from a song by a band called Kreator.

[@hendrixpuma]

Kreator is a great band

[@TheBlueTeddys]

@@MaxIronsThird - Michael Scott

[@jstn_0000]

"What we know is a drop, what we don't know is an ocean"

[@AlexJones-ue1ll]

Fun fact: The actor playing Adam is a rather well-known comedy actor in Germany. Make out of that what you will

[@julianmarco4185]

It happens a lot that comedy actors are also good drama or tragedy actors too.

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

....we know that german comedy is not a laughing matter...

[@CedricHaindl]

@@nurlindafsihotang49 you could not be farther from the truth.

[@luckythedead]

Man's got some range 👏🏻👏🏻

[@andrewalonsi]

Great talent! His presence was scary!!!

[@narveeryadav2952]

Dark could be one of those shows we look back at and say “this got everything right”. It totally deserves to be on your list.

[@darkIkarus]

"Why can't Germans just make a happy show?" Simple: We just want to share the suffering with the whole world. Sharing is caring.

[@adamrak7560]

It is a happy show, with a happy ending, by German standards.

[@dariusgunter5344]

Also don't forgte we see the word as it is, we are not making a sad story we are making realistic storys, unless everything sucks at the end it is not really realistic.

[@stephendelacruzone]

Don't... the world is already shitty as it is. German Existentialism sucks bro! C'mon! There's gotta some cool Germans who don't buy onto this numbness of suffering bullshit! You guys can do better. Besides that... excellent show... minus the nihilistic-existential bs.

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

Ah, german spirit of Schadenfreude.

[@darkIkarus]

@@stephendelacruzone We're also good in sarcasm.

[@cup.o.joe...]

Kudos to dark for creating THE only cohesive time traveling narrative!

[@JakeTS1992]

No love for Primer? Tenet? Predestination? Donnie Darko? Not even for Back to the Future? The Hodor loop in Game of Thrones?

[@hawkeye171]

@@JakeTS1992 steins gate

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

@@JakeTS1992 Cohesive =/= good. There are a handful of good time travel stories, but those are good stories, not cohesive ones. There are extremely few stories about time travel that manage to make time travel that never has to cheat, and each of those stories cheats in some way. Primer comes very close but has exactly one cheat. Telling good stories is more important than never cheating, but it's incredibly impressive to tell a decent story without any cheat at all.

[@highwayheroes1454]

@@UnreasonableOpinions what did you think primer’s cheat was? i’m curious.

[@bartistclord1916]

@@highwayheroes1454 I don't know what his cheat was, but I quit watching Primer when they said they need more or bigger capacitors to increase the the cooling system ability. to keep big speakers thumping, yes, to cool a system, no... do you even electric bro ? do you even thermal bro ? It was one of the dumbest lines clearly written under a lack of actual "consultants" might as well be asking for more wizards.

[@kettenfett]

wait... it's all just endless suffering? always has been.

[@cortomaltese5206]

Or pherhaps just a mix of happyness and suffering where we usually play a major part on to decide our fate

[@julianmarco4185]

It's 1st world suffering. So like boredom, monotony and uneventful existence. Trust me, these people have not left to look at the world and see how other suffer all the time in different ways.

[@falkets7888]

Actually, it's likely the loop is infinitely broken and created; in the origin world, Martha and Jonas cause and prevent the car crash. Either series is actualized by us watching. So the series both has endless suffering and endless relief; as adult Bartosz said, "paradise and hell are one and the same."

[@seanwieland9763]

It *is* German after all.

[@QuestionEverythingButWHY]

“What if everything that came from the past was influenced by the future.” --H.G. Tannhaus, Dark

[@bluespiral4678]

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. --George Orwell

[@jenniperkins4260]

Boot strap ! Paradoxes oh my

[@franug]

Glad you're highlighting Dark, it's such an amazing show!! It was huge here in Chile, not sure why it wasn't as popular in the US or the UK

[@tomasbertoni7787]

Probably because it’s in German and the US are not used to subtitles

[@franklin_du_bois]

Si, fue super popular en latinoamerica.

[@franug]

@@tomasbertoni7787 yeah, such a self-centered lazy way to consume media, they miss so much

[@666GodofDark]

WEEEEEEEENA

[@CraftyF0X]

Their loss though, the show was 10/10

[@orvalinaaugusta2903]

It’s a shame dark is not so very popular among video essay youtubers

[@FueledByDaria]

Dark is just the next evolution of German fairytales.

[@dontbotherreading]

Hansel and Gretel vibes

[@lamecasuelas2]

Science fiction Is the evolutión of Fairy tales, legends and myths.

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

Absoloutely. There's tons of clear allusions to fairytales and archetypes of old stories.

[@jlupus8804]

Hansel and Gretel? Like Hanno and Gretchen, 2 of the show’s characters? :D

[@Distractingly_Dope]

This is a time travel masterpiece. I’ve never seen something dive so headlong into time paradox as an actual theme rather than something to be avoided.

[@KingUnKaged]

"Fate" is just what you call it when you don't know the name of the person who's screwing you over! - Lois Wilkerson -

[@jeffreyeyerly1145]

I am inevitable. - Thanos

[@Urelasir]

Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather. -Bill Hicks

[@alpha8here]

Thank you so much for making a DARK video. It needs more hype. Also, watch in original Original German dub. It's the best

[@martinsriber7760]

It isn't German dub. It's just German.

[@feebee6810]

yeah, the actors are really good and it's lowkey a disservice to them.

[@dimaswahyupratama3694]

Indeed

[@ItsJustMetrion]

I find it a little bit ironic, cause I'm german and normally i prefer the English synchro! But in some cases the German is better! What i think is a little bit funny then Americans try to imitate Germans... I must say: you doesn't spell it right! Du sprichst es nicht richtig aus! Just a little test that came out of my mind!

[@bluespiral4678]

@@ItsJustMetrion...haha, yea after watching this show I prefer the German pronunciation of Jonas instead of the American 😄

[@QuestionEverythingButWHY]

"Yesterday, today and tomorrow are not consecutive, they are connected in a never-ending circle. Everything is connected." --The Stranger, Dark

[@TheLJShow-ys8wr]

--H.G. Tannhaus

[@darokun]

Very Bergssonian.

[@JustinMoralesTheComposer]

Yes. I’m so glad this exists. One of my favorite shows.

[@poltermens2470]

About the "existing" part...

[@JustinMoralesTheComposer]

Pol Termens *what a wonderful world plays* ;,,(

[@cnseref1328]

During the series we never know why the one-eyed police lost his eye, and at the last table just when he is about to tell the reason, it gets interrupted and we stay still not knowing why he lost his eye. I tend to read this as a metonym that even though the viewer of the show -and characters of the show- feel like they are about to “have the knowledge” or solve the knot, it still stays the same. So, I think Dark holds onto the Scshopenhauerian idea of endless cycle.

[@zoecarlyle5447]

nah i think its one of the jokes in the show

[@vovacat1797]

What can I say? This is one of the best TV shows I've seen in recent history. It's just so different and... I don't really find it depressing, I see it as something deeply fascinating, a beautifully crafted complexity. It's so perfectionist, it just gives you that chills when you realize that it has been planned from the start, and it eventually gives an answer to probably any question you might have, yet still leaves you wondering about a lot of stuff. It's also amazing how you don't realize the true character motivations until you get to the end, but then it makes sense, and everything ends up being simpler and more logical than you thought. Besides, Jonas is a very good main character that comes full circle from being influenced by others to making his own decisions (if you even can call it decision-making). And Adam is a great scary villain (or is he even a villain?) Sic mundus creatus est!

[@escapefromtibet2530]

Hell yeah! Ever since I watched the series I was expecting you guys to make a video about this awesome show.

[@LuisSierra42]

They finally did it bro, we succeded

[@Zenmaruu]

This show is criminally underrated and I have been waiting years for wisecrack to cover this one! Hope you guys can do another feature, I love the thematic breadth and depth of this show

[@uroboros_8563]

Dark is one of the best shows I have seen in my life. Not exaggerating.

[@sefalimahanti9848]

Yess!! One of the greatest Sci fi shows and the best time travel ever, IMHO

[@LuisSierra42]

Watch Predestination 2014

[@sefalimahanti9848]

@@LuisSierra42 I've and Predestination is my second favourite time travel story

[@line4169]

Watch steinsgate

[@LuisSierra42]

@@line4169 Hoouin Kyoma

[@Theforsaken7]

The ending is a paradox, without Marta and Jonas the clockmaker's son wouldn't be alive...

[@AllTheArtsy]

Well no, because they existed up to the point where they saved the son and his family. And then ceased to exist after that.

[@CraftyF0X]

@@AllTheArtsy Does not work. The only reason why they exsisted there at the first place is because Tenhause created their worlds (and after many cycle and evnt they decided to adress the problem at its root), but no accident means no time machine by Tanhause, no split worlds, no Martha no Jonas, nobody to stop the accident, so the accident happens and H.G. builds the machine. See ? It was correctly pointed out that it is indeed a self contradictory situation aka a paradoxon.

[@Turambaris]

@@CraftyF0X The show has established that changing the fate (or even your fate) in another world, cannot create a paradox. The explanation is poor for me (just throwing the word quantom and you are free to do as you like) or I just didn't fully understand it.

[@CraftyF0X]

@@Turambaris Well, "If you think you understand quantum mechanics you don't understand it" as Richard Feynman famously said. That is frequently misconstrued as though the physicists don't know what they are doing, but the calculations (and therefore most of the applications) are pretty straight forward. The proper interpretation on the other hand is yet to be agreed upon. One of these interpretation is the Everetian many world hypothesis, which indeed allows or more accuratly requires "paralel" worlds to exist. The main problem with this though is that the same hypothesis also has the inevitable consequence of these worlds to be "hopelessly" seperated, never to interact with each other. Beside that, sci-fi works are frequently using the idea to tell an interesting story, whcih would be impossible if they take seriously the real rules and limitations of this hypothesis. In this regard, this idea is similar to stuff like "worm holes" "ftl drives" "teleports" "time travel" so on. While these are more than likely phisicly impossible things they are very good tools to tell interesting and mind bogling stories and for that reason, one has to forego their scientific inaccuracy, suspend disbelief and just enjoy a good story. And that is what I did with Dark, which is my favourite series for a good reason :)

[@AlmeidaVaG6]

@@CraftyF0X totally agree, but can you imagine if they left the ending open and not shown Martha and Jonas at all after Martha asks if they'd done it? Or if we were shown aged Jonas and Martha, living out their lives stuck in a reality that they don't belong in, but that they know contains less suffering because of this sacrifice (of being stuck). It would've maintained the shows established rules and still presented interesting storytelling

[@TraderTravels]

I Just took the ending as she likes the name Jonas. No matter what kid I ended up giving birth to, I still woulda named them the same thing cuz it's what I liked at the time.

[@CalvinWocke]

Maybe that could kind of be her will controlling her still because she still isn't really in control of what she wants.

[@AlmeidaVaG6]

When a KZbin comment actually replies to the question at the end of the video in a meaningful way... Thank you!

[@AllTheArtsy]

Yup. It just tells us that 'Jonas' is a name that Hannah likes. It can't be the same Jonas because Mikkel is not the father because he doesn't exist.

[@trinitas11]

I think 90% of the boys in Prenzlauer Berg in Berlin are named Jonas.

[@laneythelame]

Exactly

[@wintermintmojo2418]

I know Im later on this one but I actually think Dark requires us re-contextualize the entire story in the last few minutes. This is not Jonas’ story. Its Thannhaus’ what we see in these three seasons is an expression of his free will. He creates a machine to turn back the hands of time and save his family and it does just that. In the creation of two worlds and all the characters we see that device and by extension Thannhaus drives them to the goal of saving his son and changing his future.

[@user-yk7dc9hu2k]

All of my favorite characters in this show ended up never existing 😢 Still a great show

[@noraN33]

Did show did what almost every HBO show couldn't: pull 3 flawless, coherent and intriguing seasons 👏

[@Ichbinschnitzel]

It’s incredible how you’ve just summarized the whole series without even mentioning Claudia!

[@stefaniegray]

6:33

[@natalyamartirosyan]

@@stefaniegray but this is such tiny mention. Claudia is the one who found the loophole and suggested the idea of going to the third world to Jonas.

[@mattduncil]

I think that says all you need to know about how important she was

[@ingecruzvonmcbronwyn-san5098]

Dark is the single greatest show I've ever seen. It was perfectly written, perfectly executed, excellently acted, and over all just beautiful.

[@shrin210]

Everything perfect except ending 0/10

[@ingecruzvonmcbronwyn-san5098]

@@shrin210 Nah nooo way.. thats the best most German part about it. The ending was perfect.

[@shrin210]

@@ingecruzvonmcbronwyn-san5098 For me this ending was totally dumb, rather than ending like vanishing, seeing their younger self etc. It should have been something philosophical like displaying other universe where Jonas and Martha were alone and we're self satisfied, moving on with life even if there are in misery of closer ones death. Or they should kept the ending open and DARK.

[@hafezali860]

"The moral of the story: maybe having a baby with you inter-dimensional aunt is not the best idea!" Thanks Wisecrack, I've been trying to figure that out for a while.

[@ngadiyogimang5259]

Best series EVER! Each episodes always bring you to moral ambiguity, then finally its about selfless and humility

[@GrandNoble]

DARK is quite possible the best, most well written, and tightly wound piece of sci fi ever written. it's amazing.

[@RevanXIII]

2:14 now, back to the show

[@Transformers217]

“Dark” is a real masterpiece! I love this show!

[@QuestionEverythingButWHY]

"Most people are nothing but pawns on a chessboard led by an unknown hand." - Noah, Dark

[@daikage]

I have been waiting for a Dark video from this channel. This is currently the show I am most obsessed with.

[@Alipro0077]

I consider myself a massive Sci fi fan, but dark is literally the only show that is so big brain that I haven't been able to follow its crazy haha

[@TedsCoasterChannel]

The most underrated show of the recent years.

[@Gunnumn]

Claudias transformation from the Traditional Boss Woman to Expert Time Traveler has to be one of the best aspects of the show.

[@satyamsoni9318]

Finally. I've been waiting for this video for so........... long. Thankyou for actually making it.

[@antonioluna5214]

"The unbearable burden of being" That's why I love Dark. Amazing video

[@SAkURAYOWA]

This show gave me a headache. In the best way. Made me depressed them feel absolute catharsis by the end.

[@Reality-Distortion]

What's so ironic about free will is how characters that traveled in time in the series often are more afraid that they have it than that they don't have it. Such as Jonas leaving Jonas trapped at the end of season 1 or telling him earlier he absolutely mustn't take Mikkel. The idea of being capable of changing something can be equally terrifying than lack of control.

[@Jatt2613]

8:04 Save ... Maaarthaa!

[@Thessalin]

Young Jonas, Middle Jonas, Batman: Why did you say that name?! Old Jonas: Too late, she's already dead. Superman: NOOOooooOOOoooOOOOOooooOOO!!!

[@LezCharming]

The thing about time travel stories is they ultimately reveal how scared we are of our own free will and agency. Time doesn't exist. It's a social construct, based on celestial orbits and our desire to know when lunch is. We have a collective and individual past only because people make decisions that have consequences. Social constructs like time create pressure,but don't actually control our actions. You can eat whenever you want, it's just that your employer has a lunch hour. You can quit that job,but your landlord expects currency for rent. The pressures are real, but we did make them or sustain them. On some level,we could choose otherwise. But that's terrifying to most folks,who use a kind of fatalism to avoid thinking about the choices in front of them. The scary thing is that we are free, but might have to challenge the social constructs around us to exercise that freedom. Fatalism allows one to believe that they had no choice but to sit in that office while terminal patients were denied insurance. Agency means they could have acted. For all our bravado we fear freedom because it's flip side is responsibility. We should care about reducing our own suffering and that of others. But the same freedom that allows us to smoke a cig by the non smoking sign also means we could be helping cancer patients. So we surrender to patterns and constructs that only seem immutable because humans have made that surrender for generations. The surrender that limits our freedom, but also our responsibility.

[@tillie3545]

WANN IST MIKKEL

[@TimoGraw]

Wer ist Mikkel?

[@ShubhamPatil-rl4jk]

the question is not when but which?

[@ItsJustMetrion]

Why I'm thinking of Merkel right now!?

[@PatricioINTP]

Ich bin du!

[@Proseph323]

@@TimoGraw Ich mache es dir besser, warum ist Mikkel!

[@nicholasreed1399]

These themes discussed is honestly what I’ve been thinking about THIS ENTIRE QUARANTINE! Wisecrack, your timing is impeccable. THAAANNNKK YOOUU

[@mav8535]

There is no happiness. Embrace Nihilism. Greetings from Germany.

[@LuisSierra42]

whatever bro

[@TimoGraw]

Wohl wahr...

[@arismeinardllemit7568]

i mean playing games is fun so idk

[@seanclark658]

"We believe in nothing lebowski!"

[@xFirebird925x]

Carpe diem my friend. Just embrace the present. Do whatever thing that will bring you happiness and forget about meaning. Stories have meaning, partly because they have definitive endings, but reality doesn't. You never know when your life will end until it does.

[@patricksullivan6988]

Hell yeah! Dark - my favorite show! Glad to see it getting some love, and from Wisecrack, for whom it seems tailor-made.

[@pdzombie1906]

Sometimes the more you try to correct something, the more you fail to perceive its true meaning. That's why the character's can't change the events since they don't even understand their own existance is part of that original mistake. I can understand why this is a german series, since they've had to deal with so much with past suffering, both felt and created by them. They can't change the past of their nation, but they can accept it and move on ONLY after understanding its meaning. A truly great series, and a great video as usual. Thanx, guys!!!

[@saskiamel7368]

It's so cool to see you talking about a german show :D I really liked and hated that show at the same time x) all the emotions and the suffering and that feeling of "you can't change it". As a viewer you really have this journey too.

[@cyrilio]

I love how a German series is gaining international attention. Really hope this takes off.

[@jasons5916]

I love that this show had a deterministic view of time travel and the Einsteinian definition of time. It gets a little off track when they bring in multiple universes and try to figure out ways to make changes to their timeline like quantum entanglement creating entire humans and being able to do anything while time is stopped. The end is nice, but I still don't think it is possible within the rules that were first established on the show.

[@themonsieurmechant]

Cheers to the people discovering Dark with this video and probably not understanding a single thing about its story. It's complicated, but it's great, highly recommend.

[@rikksnow1070]

Finally! Thank you so much for doing a video about this masterpiece. Wir passen perfekt zusammen, glaub nie etwas anderes.

[@liveconcertshortvideos5712]

I wonder: is HG Tannhauser in the style of HG Wells, the "builder" of the original time machine?

[@taha_boy]

Johnas throughout Dark: "SAVE MARTHA !"

[@tqzama1421]

Why did you say that name??

[@pastelchapter9109]

It's more than a boy goes missing...It's way different than Stranger Things. Watch it. It's a master piece.

[@MsKaryCat]

Dark is an amazing show, thanks for this cool analysis as always!

[@monitoo_fml]

an awesome recap of the entire series, well done!

[@arielotti]

YES, I’ve been waiting for you to do a Dark video. Any chance you’ll do another?

[@SuperSpasticNinja]

11:58 So Saul Goodman was actually hiding in another timeline this whole time

[@kneebs1]

finally seeing this show get the attention and love it deserves

[@danielborza4399]

I watched the first season when it came out, then followed it through. However I was completely lost with each new season, and honestly, I couldn't appreciate this show. Now I did a re-watch, all 3 seasons, 1 day, 1 episode. Mein Gott! I completely blew me away. It finally made so much sense now, I could catch the little subtext too. Phenomenal show, easily the best thing, Netflix ever did. If you got confused, do yourself a favour and give it a second go.

[@jasons5916]

The paradise of nothingness also agrees with Epicurus. According to Epicurus, when you die, you cease to exist and since nothing exists after death, there is no pain or suffering, which is the definition of the good in Epicureanism.

[@AllTheArtsy]

The best series Netflix has done, aside from Bojack Horseman, for me. Such a fantastically written and casted series! It deserved a bigger audience, and a year other than 2020 to get to celebrate their work!

[@Dodgerific]

Dark is the ultimate battle between Determinism and Free Will

[@brankoburcksen]

Thanks so much for tackling this incredible show!

[@1javilen]

To think i thought this show was a rip off of IT and Stranger Things bc of the cover and ita description Dark is much more than that, this show is a true work of art

[@ugh_dad]

It isn't strictly deterministic, young Martha and Jonas decide to successfully end the loop while the existence of their older selfs show proof that they could have made different choices, hence free will. It's like soft determinism, probabilism?

[@joed4660]

Dark is seriously the best show on Netflix that hardly anyone is talking about. If any of this sounds remotely compelling to you, seriously, just go and watch it. Season 3 just came out and gives it a definitive ending. Its ace.

[@kashhusain8154]

Tanhaus wanted to save his family from death. He built a time machine that set into motion events that led to his family being saved. This undermines the apparent philosophy of the show. Tanhaus didn't give in or let go. He exerted his will and got what he desired.

[@Oliver-rk9ue]

If everyone's fate is inevitable and stuck in a loop, how come Claudia broke the loop? Surely everything she does in each loop is the same, but somehow on the final loop, she was able to change her actions, and thus each universes fate. Please can someone explain!!

[@lostprophet8888]

Because time literally stands still in the moment of the apocalypse, making it possible to actually change something by being "unstuck in time" and avoiding the endless loop of cause and action. Claudia knew about this and used it to convince Adam to send Jonas and Martha into the original world to finally break the cycle. Eva knew about it as well and used it to create this quantum superposition state where not only two (actually three) worlds exist, but two dimensions for each world.

[@Oliver-rk9ue]

@@lostprophet8888 That makes sense, but why didn't a previous Claudia do that before? If Claudia knows that something can be 'unstuck in time' what stopped the previous Claudia from telling that to Adam in a previous loop?

[@bluespiral4678]

@@Oliver-rk9ue....I guess there wouldn't be a show if that were the case. Time travel stories always come with their share of what if's and why not's. I'd actually like to know what was the point in kidnapping the young boys and searing their eyes shut with that device?

[@Merchantic]

@@Oliver-rk9ue I believe that every time the Apocalypse goes off, it splits the world again. Think of Schrodinger's Cat. When time stands still, both possibilities exist because when time stands still, there are no observers. It is possible for both the loop to continue and for the loop to end.

[@Ashoka_piola]

I think this question is the most important for the coherence of the story.

[@arvidstider]

Been waiting for this!

[@hikari9433]

Dark is definitely the type of series you need to watch twice.

[@mattduncil]

Need to figure out a different episode order to watch it in

[@pernus5856]

I love Dark so much, it really is the best treatment of time travel I’ve ever seen. It did let me down in the end though. I would have liked it MUCH better if the inventor of the time machine was convinced to let his family go, rather than Jonas and Martha saving them.

[@paulius369]

Tanhaus is the perfect example of "cant will what you will". his obsession to build this time machine literally created 2 universes. this is not a man you can convince to change his mind. Tanhaus was the cycle of people who cant let go in a single person.

[@Joxshuxa]

Yeah but then? At the end of the day both worlds which were created were mistakes in the matrix. They were never supposed to exist and were trapped in an eternal suffering loop. It saddens me but that’s the only way they could save themselves.

[@shrin210]

@@paulius369 I refuse to believe it was Tanhaus's fault. It is writer's fault to not explore his story. The 3rd season was not well made. Everything 10/10, Ending 0/10.

[@abrilherrera9523]

I was expecting this analysis from you guys since I finished the third season. Dark is one of the greatest shows of all the Netflix platform. I'm actually a little shocked you haven't made more videos on it as you do on Rick and Morty. Anyway, this one pretty much sums it all! :)

[@Seph.ackerman]

Dark is simply perfect.

[@sanewitch8036]

This series is so good and original.

[@phoqueme]

The final scene of Jonas and Martha, holding hands as they fade away... fuck me, that hit me hard. Would their essence survive, since they didnt even exist in the first place? Is love real, since the reason they were drawn to each other was only to perpetuate the cycle? If the many-worlds interpretation about quantum mechanics is true, then how many worlds must exist where we made our other-selves miserable with our mindless small choices? Can you imagine what was going through their minds when they faded away? Fucking hell, amazing characters, amazing chemistry, amazing story, WHAT A SHOW!

[@esteb6544]

I was really waiting for this

[@r.babylon2885]

"If constantly trying to stop bad things from happening, and failing, sounds awful... That's because it is!" Man, you just described my teens and 20s.

[@spencerraboudi1428]

YES! A cult classic in the making! I hope this gets more people to check the show out. Such an amazing & original series. Thank you 🙏🏻 #wisecrack

[@loganwelty7094]

Dark might be my favorite visual art medium I’ve ever experienced

[@digapygmy70]

Thank you, I've been waiting for a Dark video since season 1! Incredible fucking show, I've watched it multiple times now and the last season was just mindbending. Best sci-fi show ever, hands down.

[@tobiwan001]

IMO one of the best sci-fi shows that has been created...and will be created.

[@pinguimhbs]

More than a discussion on free-will I think it falls on an equation solution. given a simple x=1+2y. if x and y are not defined you change the x, you get a new y, but as you get one fixed, the other fixes also. BUT there are systems with more variables and unless ou have N-1 variables fixed, you still can change the other variables "freely" BUT (2) there are some systems that are convergent even without fixing all variables if you are in the convergent range, you can "guess" one variable, calculate the others and then get a new answer for the variable that you guessed, and every "loop" you make you get closer to the answer, until you are so close that every loop are not different from the previous, then you say you find a "close enough" answer (basically the error of the calculation is smaller that the error in the manufacture of the machine you are projecting). BUT (3) this convergent systems are not convergent for any initial guess, if you are too far from the answer it can diverge and you will never find the answer. The loops in the series are a system that is converged, imagined if an Adam always tells a number to Jonas and tells Jonas to say this number plus one to the next Jonas, we could be able to measure the loops and we inserted a marginal perturbation on it. What Adam tries to do is to create a perturbation big enough to put this system on the divergent area, giving a guess that is out of the convergent area, while Eva tries to keep it in the convergence area. Free will still exists but without knowing the system and the convergent/divergent area you can't unbalance it, the system will correct itself like a pendulum, because as far as the pendulum goes from the center , more is the "pressure" pushing it back to the center. In a divergent system this is opposed, a guy balancing on a line, the more unbalanced he is, the difficult it is to go back to balance.

[@pinguimhbs]

And sometimes there is not only one convergent area, so you can actually jump from one convergent area to the other, and this explain the 2 universes and the orginal being a small convergent area in the middle. something like \_/-\_/ if we try to draw a chart

[@treehouse318]

wow- i hadn't even heard of this show. i'll have to check it out. thanks, Wisecrack!❤

[@JMDillehay]

i loved this show. I wouldnt' mind rewatching it.

[@jjgabbana]

one of my favorite shows ever

[@andrecampos8689]

How many people didn't yet realize that time travel is IMPOSSIBLE, not just because Phisics estabilished the relation between gain of mass and loss of aceleration, but for the solo reason that if TT was possible, we would've bump in time travelers a long time ago...

[@josethebioform7519]

Not necessarily. Time travel back might be impossible but traveling to the future may be somewhat possinle plus theres the recent theory that massive black holes may be traversible wormholes

[@davidandremelchorzavala2100]

I’m dying of laughter every time the bus carrying Jared, Helen and Michael appears; I can’t help it

[@amarmahanti78]

The best time travel show I've ever seen in my lifetime and I've watched a lot!!