GAME SINS | Everything WRONG With Spider-Man 2

[@MorallyDubiousFrog]

In regards to Kraven being immune to Scorpion's venom, you can find that Kraven has gathered the flowers necessary for an antidote in the same room where Peter checks out the grappling crossbow.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

You are Morally Upstanding Frog ^

[@nobody-kc2si]

He cheated like a bitch

[@mariokarter13]

My favorite scene is when Miles says "I'm Spider-Man 2" and forces Peter into an early retirement with the exaggerated swagger of a black teen.

[@Snooopy28]

GOATed comment

[@eltoncorrie]

Face it. Peter Parker is gone. Diversity and exaggerated ideologies are more important to game developers than fun.

[@Snooopy28]

@@eltoncorrie well, he's just the latest casualty in a long line truth is, he wasnt the first and wont be the last

[@dededede9257]

lmao

[@letstalkgames1211]

Ayo 😂 😂 I ain’t even watch the video yet and I’m leaving 😂😂

[@BoleDaPole]

New York being a lawless place with a shortage of police officers is one of the only realistic parts of the game.

[@normalgraham]

When I was there in 2012 they had SWAT officers on street corners with machine guns, glad to hear things have improved somewhat

[@Mate397]

@@normalgraham Did it really? Pretty sure it was safer with the SWAT guys.

[@dt05]

@@normalgrahamI miss those days.

[@arthurdurham]

It's really not like that. The crime to population ratio is lower than most cities. Stop watching Fox News and actually go visit places

[@mjohnsen8606]

@@normalgraham perfect time to go on your crime spree

[@darkraven5626]

34:00 "If Peter wanted to do some smack talk, he would mention the sales difference between his game and Miles." Lol.

[@PatrickKerndl]

It’s weird how the symbiotes are supposedly destroyed by the meteor after you beat Venom but afterwards there are still symbiote nests and symbiote hordes throughout the city that you respond to even after you’ve completed the whole story

[@YourDepressoSir]

Kind of weird that a magical space rock can just generate biomatter outta thin air. Kind of weird that the symbiotes stayed contained to New York. Kind of weird that that destroying a rock can kill anything at all. What, was the rock the container of the hive mind of the symbiotes? In that case Venom and Carnage would both be dead, but that's not the case. This game's writing is abysmal

[@andyoye9230]

@@YourDepressoSir Yes it is the hive mind. Venom literally DID die... and Carnage doesn't exist because he hasn't bonded yet. Who ever said anything about the symbiotes staying in New York for all we know they could have made their way to Texas. And I am pretty sure that a magic space rock made from the mystical evil being of NULL does not need to follow the things that are 'natural' considering it is SUPERNATURAL. You writing is abysmal.

[@SuperSamZero69]

​​@@YourDepressoSirits better explained in the comics, also that an the cletus left with his sample of the symbiote before peter blew the whole thing up, lol comic book logic combined with video game logic is a dangerous combination

[@francisoffilth7953]

Dude tons of games do this. The canon goes back to before the finale so you can finish all the side activities. While Spider-Man 2 plot and writing is definitely not good. That’s not one of the issues

[@zangvang]

@@francisoffilth7953I’ve one hundred percented the game. Symbiotes still pop up as regular crime 😂

[@fd5934]

The biggest thing that really got me in this game is Kraven raised hell to get killed, succeeded, which is infuriating, and nobody says anything about it, no rage or anything, it’s like he was instantly gone from everyone’s mind.

[@jbktpl1245]

Yeah, I was surprised by that. I thought for sure he was gonna be jailed after the Miles vs Peter fight and have to rot in there until he died from his sickness or something with them telling him his quest for a worthy opponent wasn't worth the trouble he caused or something like that. Although the scene of Venom killing him was well shot.

[@gRizzly.-_-Pow]

prolly because there were bigger problems at hand

[@Elwillyx475]

Because it doesn't matter anymore. He's dead, thus no longer a problem and there's a city-wide symbionte invasion. I don't think anybody has the time to care about Kraven with so many new problems showing up.

[@yuuaserora2641]

@@gRizzly.-_-Pow bigger problems that ended up being not so big at all lol

[@Yes-cj6vr]

I mean if you play the hunter bases after he dies they make multiple comments on Kraven’s death

[@stoops187]

“Karma was swift that day” 😂😂😂 Fucking BRUTAL

[@blacktiger24950]

Harry's mom wasn't the only person who died on that one 🤣🤣☠️☠️

[@absolute-xero7502]

Harry will never Rick Roll anyone again 💀

[@webwalkerz2048]

Indeed, fr got me on the floor dying!

[@TheSouloftheDragon]

Honestly, Web of Shadows did the symbiote plot better than this game. In that game you can keep the symbiote and rule the city in one ending.

[@SCF721]

Not really hard to do since WoS actually took its time when telling the symbiote takeover story. Boggles the mind that they tried to hamfist a whole game's worth of story into the final act.

[@logansharkey871]

true but venom himself was honestly pretty shit in that game.

[@rojaedavis8367]

​@@logansharkey871He was. But he's honestly no better here. Aside from the Spiderman obsession, he's nothing like Venom. He's more like Knull or hell, Carnage. Which is funny because they literally teased Carnage in this game, so why wasn't he the final boss? Give us more heroic depiction of Venom in games.

[@knightmare5097]

@@rojaedavis8367 I dunno, I’ve gotten sick of the Sony version of Venom, so bringing him back to his original roots was cool, if slightly poorly executed

[@rojaedavis8367]

@@knightmare5097 Thing is, all Sony's version did was skip the hate for Spiderman part. Venom's roots as a villain was really short. And even then, as a villain, he was still leagues better than most of Spidey's rogue gallery as his villainy was mostly towards making life hell for Spidey as some self deluded revenge. But during the times he wasn't going after Spiderman, he was actually playing the Lethal Protector of the innocents albeit for selfish reasons at first (trying to show he was a better hero than Spiderman) but eventually for noble reasons. Hell, there was even a time where Venom broke off from fighting Spiderman to save civilians from being collaterals in their fight, only continuing once he was sure they were safe. So even as a villain, he was more like a dark rival/foil for Spiderman and was nowhere near as vile and evil as this Venom was.

[@joink25]

Surprised you didn't give a sin to the fact that a TON of people know the true identities of both Spider-Men. That's something that I found hard to remove disbelief on when I played it.

[@MarvinPowell1]

*Spider-Mans, since its a proper noun and a name. Sorry, I had to.

[@limppickle4306]

​@@MarvinPowell1Marvel would disagree. They've referred to them as Spider-Men countless times. There's even a comic named Spider-Men

[@jaydenwilson8371]

Well technically Peter kept his identity a secret for a good min, it’s really miles who doesn’t

[@drumo2273]

​@@jaydenwilson8371 Yeah Miles reveals his identity to anyone he's known for more than a day lol

[@andyoye9230]

The only people who know it are their friends and family?

[@vinniy32]

Regarding the "World hunger" sin, it's not as simple as "produce more food". You have logistics such as how to distribute the food to people and how to make sure the corrupt warlords and politicians don't hoard it for themselves. ANd in regards to the "Harry having a cane" sin early on, he mentions it's a sort of insurance policy since the full effects of Venom are unknown.

[@LThanhHao232]

Yeah, I always feel funny when people say just "produce more food", when food waste yearly is just insanely high. We actually made more food than people needed to fed. How to fed them is another problem

[@fieryrebirth]

@@LThanhHao232 If it's not making oligarchs money or greater returns, it's not happening.

[@MarvinPowell1]

@vinniy32 Exactly. Literally 50% of all food produced in first world countries gets wasted. Half of ALL FOOD PRODUCED gets wasted. Not even "unfinished" or "half eaten" food from restaurants and buffets. But totally edible, untouched, 100% perfectly fine food. Either due to aesthetics and fruit "not looking pretty enough," over-production, or over-strict expiration policies. Especially meat, which is the most expensive food to produce. You can tell someone is ignorant on the topic when they think world hunger is a matter of quantity, and not environment, shipping, location, and storage. This entire game is full of horrendous writing of what extremely stupid people think intelligent people sound like (Dartigan barely scratched the surface and you could probably get a minimum of two hours of bad writing and cutscenes out of this game.) But what else would one expect from Sweet Baby?

[@BoleDaPole]

Ah yes those evil war lords just hoarding food all for themselves. If only we had 90% of the world's population connected somehow by like shipping lanes and highways that could easily distribute food. If only nations could form some sort of navy's to protect shipping lanes and some sort of land navy to protect highways from war lords looking to hoard food.

[@yourbabytee]

This actually happened in corrupt countries during the pandemic. Politicians hoarded food meant for civilians

[@mrcampo19]

I hated the Mary Jane sections of both games. I don't want to play Mary Jane, I want to be Spiderman it's ridiculous

[@TheLeadElite]

The number one criticism of the first game was the Mary Jane sections. And yet... the sequel still has them. It's honestly amazing how out of touch with players modern devs are.

[@lordyoda9382]

@@TheLeadEliteThe director even know that most fans don’t want the Mary Jane missions but he said he doesn’t care and would take whatever side missions just to add more mj.

[@marcusclark1339]

they're terrible in both they basically pulled an Atreus, tone the game down to make them seem powerful when really it devalues the core game design of the series

[@jbktpl1245]

​@@marcusclark1339At least Atreus made more sense storywise, but I get your point.

[@TheEmperorRaidou]

​@chandllerburse737Thats just worst my guy

[@jasonsmith2759]

In the comics, Mr. Negative inadvertently creates Anti-Venom with his powers.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

Norman and Octavius' last scene is funny. Anyone who hasn't seen the last game would probably think it's the moment where the Green Goblin and Doc Oc team up against the Spidermen. But that can't be. Oc definitely still hates Norman more, even if Peter stopped him from getting revenge. Also, I can't decide what I want the next video to be on. Alan Wake 2 has something Dart can sink his teeth into, but I really want to see what he can get out of the void that is Starfield.

[@adhumbla1153]

Don't think we see either video in less than 2 months !😏

[@dylansharp8471]

What about Alan Wake?

[@yavorvlaskov5404]

I am surprised you didn't sin (with a multiplier) how to create artificial tension MJ doesn't tell Peter that when he sleeps his symbiote goes haywire and attacks people, including her. Nobody ended up telling him that in the entire game, I was keeping track. That conversation with him and Harry would have gone completely different if he was given taht little bit of context, but we can't have mature conversing in the game. There is no reason for her not to tell him that happened (since she could clearly see Peter was still sleeping in the symbiote and can make the moderately easy guess that he did not know what he was doing). No reason besides bad writing, clearly. P.S. A lot of the marketing mentioned how "Venom will be somebody who hasn't been seen as Venom before". Harry has been Venom in multiple comicbooks and even for a bit in TV series (not sure if just in Marvel's Spider-man or it also happened in Ultimate at one point). So that was bull.

[@jlev1028]

When has Harry been Venom in the comics?

[@yavorvlaskov5404]

@@jlev1028 I am on wrong on that one, it was Osborn senior that had been Venom in the comicbooks. Still, we had definitely seen Harry as Venom before in Ultimate, so the marketing statement was false.

[@jhornacek]

It wouldn't have made any difference if MJ had told Peter that. At that point he had been told that the symbiote was an alien and he was ok with keeping it for himself. Before he goes to see Harry (where that conversation with MJ takes place) Peter literally says "I wonder if Harry really needs the suit?" He knows that Harry needs the suit back or he'll die, but he's justifying keeping it for himself. If MJ had told him "Last night, while you were asleep, the symbiote took control of you and nearly killed people" Peter would have just justified that too.

[@dylansharp8471]

@@yavorvlaskov5404 Osborn senior?

[@dylansharp8471]

@@jhornacek Why would Peter wanna justify it?

[@HSG4meR]

Peter Parker having all those Batman-like gadgets without the Batman money is absurd for me.

[@Lonewolfyoutube-pg1mm]

mmmmm did you not see how those were made guess you missed that detail ok for the slow learner both Peter and Miles are tinkers they made the gadgets out of the scrap material they find or the electric web guess you missed that part in Marvel Spidey-man where Jeff Daves gives Pet the stunn gun or when Doc Oc helped him make impact webbing, Even in Spider-Man 2 they make the webline from a cross bow, easy for them make things out of other things or add stuff. Pay attention instead of skipping cut scenes

[@xnortheast1106]

​@@Lonewolfyoutube-pg1mmstfu it still dont make sense

[@jasonf7072]

7:44 Yes, Peter is Spider-Man. Meaning he can get around the city much faster than MJ can. He also immediately gets an alert when anything is happening. 8:08 In that same mission, Harry specifically says that he doesn’t actually need the cane

[@Itzdafreakinbat]

Why was he using the cane then?

[@Fables107]

​@@ItzdafreakinbatIt was just collateral in case the symbiote treatment didn't work out. Which was proven later when he went right back to being sick after losing it

[@axis1247]

​@@Fables107Using a cane you dont need when you dont need it doesn't make sense. Carry it with you sure. But he was using it.

[@Fables107]

@@axis1247 Keep in mind it was gradual. So while he may not have needed to use it in that moment, he might've before. And also Harry likes theatrics

[@8Aerondight8]

Peter and Harry: "If diabetes is caused by too much sugar then... IT CAN BE CURED WITH SALT!"

[@doctorfrosty3546]

Love how the Spider-Man games insist you play as anyone but Spider-Man

[@Rclarke115]

Funny, we play several Batman games where we end up playing as Nightwing, Catwoman, Robin, Batgirl, Red Hood, Azreal, Joker, Deathstroke, Harley Quinn, and in short sections, Gordon and a random cop and I don’t recall any complaints.

[@The_Glazer]

​​​@@Rclarke115because most were optional or were likely one off sections that lasted no more than 5 minutes (for example in the case of the random cop). Not to mention they either offered the same style of game play (Robin,Nightwing, Harley etc) or were used to add directly to the plot (random cop being used to establish that scarecrow has begun his plan or joker being inside the psyche of Batman showing how he views things) where here we spray paint and do non powered stealth sections.

[@Zero-pz6jo]

@@Rclarke115yeah because they’re all super powered people? Like how can you even compare red hood and Mj lmao

[@mysticwolf007]

Just wait for Spider-Man 3...it will be a new Spider-Man game in title only, if Spider-Man 2 is anything to go by 😑

[@Rclarke115]

@@mysticwolf007 as if Two Spider-People wasn’t enough for you. Get over yourself. In total, MJ’s levels take up at least 6% of the game and there’s only three of them. Meanwhile you get countless hours playing as Peter and Miles.

[@dag1984]

I'm convinced the whole "no police in New York" thing is due to the "backlash" from Spidey helping them in the previous game. Apparently it's wrong to have a superhero character help the police uphold the law.

[@marcusclark1339]

exactly so, game worked on by Sony a California (leftist) state that hates politics and ESG companies that want to push that as bad so there's no defense to anything

[@jbktpl1245]

I will still crack a smile when I hear the enthusiastic ramblings Spider-Cop~ 🕷️👮‍♂️

[@sharpshooterjames8891]

They can cry all they want, but one thing is certain, Spider-Cop is ETERNAL!!!! PART SPIDER, ALL COP

[@jlev1028]

I think it's more the fault of the DefundthePolice movement. The devs feared they would be labeled as fascists if they included cops doing something.

[@jbktpl1245]

@@jlev1028 Bunch a cowards, we all good well, if something were to pop off, those same people that be screaming 'Defund the Police,' would be calling them if some criminal would try and break in their homes or apartments.

[@JamaicanTalkShowHost10]

I just wish that Mary Jane didn't look like she was 48 years old.

[@MProductionsGAMING]

I will point out that MJ did tell Harry she was at the zoo in NJ so that's how he and Peter knew where to find her. Also, a sin you could add at the end is the fact that Miles just shows up to Peter's house and talks to him without his mask on, while not being worried about being recorded by the neighboring houses' security cameras, CCTV, or passerbys with their phones out.

[@bryankennedy3719]

Lol

[@TheLeadElite]

The most disturbing thing about this game is that people thought it deserved awards.

[@DarkAttackYT]

Awards don't mean anything anyways. I mean Better Caul Saul never won any Emmys.

[@rushpatriot2866]

Im so happy theres sane gamers in this comment section I wasn't expecting that

[@rushpatriot2866]

​@@DarkAttackYTthere's a peoples choice award and also elden ring broke the record for most awards given and it's well deserved so your claim isn't full proof.

[@DarkAttackYT]

@@rushpatriot2866 Elden Ring deserved it but my point is that you shouldn't judge a game based on what awards it won or not. Elden Ring is such a great game but I still prefer Bloodborne.

[@jsmooth7160]

Crazy you think most gamers give a damn about the awards

[@LXV-e9d]

22:20 They said they were trying to reawaken the lizard genes in Connors. So I don’t think it would work on just anyone.

[@LXV-e9d]

This game got WAAAAAY too overhyped. It’s a great game. I loved it. But it didn’t really push the envelope. It was pretty much just more of the first game. And Miles story in this was so boring. I love Miles, but you could take him out of this game and not much would change. Even his side missions were worse. I think most games are way too long, but this one was actually way too short. It felt so rushed with the story they were trying to tell. So many villain deaths happened off screen. We should’ve seen those. This game should’ve been twice as long at the bare minimum. And again, I think most games are way too long and I’m saying this. The fact that IGN got hate for giving it an 8/10 is hilarious. This is not a 10/10. The fans just don’t want to admit it has flaws. But you have acknowledge the flaws if you ever want those flaws to be resolved. I personally give it a 7/10. Loved it, but it does have issues. Too short, Miles story is boring, side missions are the same and boring as any other open world. Things are rated way too high these days and it’s the reason we keep getting shitty games.

[@MR_ZERO230]

Yah you're right it pretty mid but it fun and it fills more like a dlc

[@Zimmy_1981]

Hate to admit it but agree, with your rating too

[@KappaJones]

I'm hoping that this game turns out to be the "necessary evil" and they really ramp it up for future releases. I won't hold my breath on it though considering how extremely forgiving its fans are.

[@NTEDOG561]

A great game? No it’s just..ok

[@LXV-e9d]

@@NTEDOG561 It’s better than ok but not perfect.

[@AnxMa]

I got a voice acting background and have to say that Yuri Lowenthal's voice has been such an inspiration for me since the Prince of Persia Trilogy. His performance in Spidey 2 is amazing. If you got a second, I highly recommend watching the The Two Thrones cutscenes.The vocal training was really tough, sometimes without noticeable results for months but actors like him and the late Kevin Conroy are a great impulse to not give up. You almost saw me as Leon in those new RE games :)

[@pkojo]

He was the Prince right? The sass and other emotions portrayed in that game were superb

[@AnxMa]

@@pkojo Hi, yes. He voiced the Prince in the Sands of Time and The Two Thrones. In Warrior Within, it was Robin Atkin Dowes, also a great voice actor.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

I will say the guy is dedicated. I keep thinking he prepared for Spider Man 2 by working on that Dota anime on Netflix. Yuri played a character that was having his body taken over by a dragon voiced by Tony Todd (Venom's VA). The scene where Venom sprouts wings reminds me of that show.

[@leithaziz2716]

Yuri Lowenthal is a great veteran actor. Yosuke, Ben 10, pretty much half the characters in Fallout New Vegas. His portfolio of characters voiced is huge.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@chrisdaughen5257 Venom's wings are a direct reference to a Venom comic issue called "King in Black". In fact, a lot of story elements borrow from that story, which makes it unfortunate that they don't credit the creator of that issue in the game.

[@drewalexander6024]

Oh, this is going to be good!

[@pkojo]

I swear they use an ugly filter on scanned faces in this game

[@Zero-pz6jo]

Facts. Peter and mjs models look so much better irl.

[@mysticwolf007]

All to please the Woke weirdos out there who find that (especially women) in games are made too sexycause insecurities 😑 Watch this dude Endymiontv, he made a video on this and how several Western games suffer from this.

[@lordyoda9382]

Yeah, the mj face is different not the same exact model. They pretty much lied to us.

[@amrotamer6951]

the face model had a accident and had to do a jaw sergury @@lordyoda9382

[@knightmare5097]

@@mysticwolf007 Good god, tone down your sexist hyperbole

[@connorbutters8479]

Bit odd that Kraven would choose a bunch of b-tier supervillains who have failed to kill Spiderman many times as well as Spiderman himself who refuses to kill anyone in his shortlist of "people who can kill me" instead of someone like The Punisher, Wolverine, The Incredible Hulk, Deadpool, Taskmaster or anybody else who is a capable fighter with proven success and no qualms about killing people

[@SoyboyPeter]

Kraven doesn’t know the history between Spider-Man and his villains. Making references to other heroes doesn’t make your point valid.

[@connorbutters8479]

@@SoyboyPeter well if he's looking for somebody to kill him in combat you'd think the first thing he'd research is if that person killed anybody before. And such things would definitely be recorded somewhere, most often in police reports

[@SoyboyPeter]

@@connorbutters8479 You know Kraven battles his opponents in a duel where someone has to die right?

[@connorbutters8479]

@@SoyboyPeter i don't see a referee in those duels

[@JeremiahJames246]

​@@connorbutters8479where does that fit into any of this lol

[@eltoncorrie]

The joy that filled my heart upon seeing a Dartigan video. Thank you so much man.

[@TBone4Breakfast]

The gun club remark was just pure cringe. Not everyone has spider powers and a plethora of advanced tech to fight off criminals

[@juniorjunior5884]

I don't know man, according to the games anyone can either get those or run into some random nerd to build it for you by joining a gang.

[@Mrfritz590]

One of the best examples of "speculative fiction elements are often incompatible with irl political messages" I've seen, alongside all those fantasy novels where mages are somehow oppressed by muggles and literally everything X-men writers have ever done to try and make mutants into a metaphor for oppressed minorities.

[@MarvinPowell1]

@@Mrfritz590 Exactly, because mutants are actually gods compared to human beings, unlike someone having a different skin color to you. Mutants are a legitimate threat to society and could easily kill anyone, if they wanted to. But its supposed to be a metaphor for racism, even though it makes no sense. And yeah, more example of bad writing when you live in a world of supervillains, aliens, and gods, and being told owning a gun or investing in self-defense makes you a bad person, as if Spider-Man or Not-Spider-Man Morales can be everywhere in a city of 8 million people and The Avengers apparently aren't a thing in this game. Not that it'd matter, since you'd have like, 100 heroes at most, trying to protect a city of 8 million, but still get told "guns are bad" and you should just let Kingpin and his thugs execute you without even trying to save yourself or loved ones. Sweet Baby writing, in action.

[@jbktpl1245]

Another ironic this is, after the Sandman fight those guns shouldn't have worked and would've jammed if not exploded in their hands from all the sand that would've been built up in them. 😅

[@jhornacek]

He's literally fighting a bunch of criminals who are robbing a gun club to arm themselves so they can commit crimes. It's pretty reasonable for him to complain about gun clubs here.

[@SubparLiberator]

kind of a miss-sin at 7:40 as spiderman you can cross the map in like 5min.....but mj on a dinky ass bike in ny would realistically take like like 3hrs lmao shes going nowhere when there is an attack and they close the bridges

[@NRB10ful]

Surprised you didn't mention how they made the Spanish language gender neutral I'm not a Spanish speaker myself, but I heard it was really weird to hear. Or how they put the wrong flag in Mile's house because he's Puerto Rican and it was a Cuban flag

[@lordclaret5075]

@chandllerburse737 Reeks of Sweet Baby Inc.

[@imakedamoney420smokeweed]

Xey literally prefer Latinx tho

[@HeavyMetalJesus02]

No they don't

[@christopherortiz9330]

Cuban flag = Communism. They knew what they were doing

[@TheTotallyRealJokerPersona5]

@chandllerburse737ah yes, the sweet baby inc effect

[@FireTypes4Ever108]

I'm honestly not a fan of the way MJ looks in this game like the girl looks like a rejected character from the Last of US video games

[@lordyoda9382]

Yeah, they change the face.

[@TheDarklink82]

It's almost like the actress had a serious car accident and had to undergo facial reconstruction surgery and is still being harassed at her work by assholes.

[@TheTotallyRealJokerPersona5]

@@TheDarklink82Do you even have proof of this?

[@lightninggoat0209]

Imagine an apocalyptic scenario where faces change over time and this video is actually kind of shit

[@Dinosaur656]

Yay, Dartigan has finally made this video

[@simpleguy86]

I loved this game but also enjoy you picking apart plot holes or inconsistencies. Thanks for another awesome video Dartigan

[@invidatauro8922]

14:26 World hunger is a logistical issue, not a quantity issue.

[@AZ-rl7pg]

So how the heck did so many people argue that this should have won GOTY instead of Baldur's Gate 3? Not to mention why did they already introduce Anti-Venom (which Peter was never the host for) especially since Anti-Venom isn't only an anti-symbiote but can also cure any disease meaning he would have cured Harry's disease when he defeated Venom.

[@lordyoda9382]

He couldn’t because the symbiote is bonded into his blood or whatever.

[@AZ-rl7pg]

@@lordyoda9382 That wouldn't be an issue for Anti-Venom. It doesn't only cure any disease but completely cleanses the person's body. It even tried to cure/clense Peter Parker of his powers before being interrupted, which is why he's never worn the Anti-Venom suit, and it still causes his powers to cancel out anytime they're near each other. Also they got Anti-Venom's origin partially right, it was because of Mr. Negatives powers affecting reminiscences of the Venom symbiote but it was in Eddie Brock (after losing Venom obviously), not Peter Parker.

[@lordyoda9382]

@@AZ-rl7pg Ah, yeah idk man. The writing in this game isn’t the best.

[@marcusclark1339]

even without any of the other games on GOTY list this game should never of been in that talk it has NOTHING going for it visuals get dated, its game design is honestly worse, less content than 1 with less skins and costs more story is a mess, terrible character designs and boring realism "movie game"

[@brandonspencer5594]

@@AZ-rl7pgyour applying a different continuity to the game

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

" I got this, all of it. Go be Peter Parker for a while, " - Said by someone who does not have this, any of it.

[@chaoticallygaming]

And some people wonder why Baulders Gate 3 won GOTY last year instead of Spiderman

[@CIPHER_World]

Biggest reveal in this video Dartigan is 6’1 and 210 🤯

[@laughingoctopus6550]

He’s such a daddy material

[@kenlsten4651]

18:04 I can’t even pretend to be excited to play a roller coaster simulator so I can’t imagine it being that fun for Pete

[@youknowwhoiam2771]

Kraven wasn’t just immune to Scorpion’s poison, he studied it intently and bought a specific plant to counteract the effects

[@YourDepressoSir]

Damn, sounds like something useful that Spider Man might want to keep on hand, so that he doesn't have to make one while hallucinating in the first game.

[@youknowwhoiam2771]

@@YourDepressoSir well, I don’t think that Scorpion is going to be a problem for him for the foreseeable future so he probably doesn’t need it

[@BobMarley-bx7lx]

@@YourDepressoSir Peter says in the game that he tried to get his hands on it for the same reasons, but it was too expensive.

[@thatoneguy5347]

Missed sin: why didn’t Peter use his spider arms when trying to lift the roller coaster?

[@shaunavant532]

I don't think they would be able to turn around if they're crushed

[@thatoneguy5347]

@@shaunavant532 the arms were never crushed

[@shaunavant532]

@@thatoneguy5347 dude they were under a fridge, and they bend forward not back

[@thatoneguy5347]

@@shaunavant532 they can also bend backwards, they do it in one of Pete’s finishers

[@shaunavant532]

@@thatoneguy5347 which one? Cus only one I can think of is dragging one, but even then they don’t bend back

[@TheGreatRuke]

Yeah the Norman/Peter relationship bothered me. In the first game they had none of this "like a father to me" relationship and in fact Norman acted like a big dick swinging prick in his scenes with Peter.

[@jhornacek]

In the first game Harry is "in Europe" (actually in the tank being kept alive by the symbiote). But in this game Harry is out of the tank, seemingly healthy, and hanging out with Peter. Norman would obviously look at the two of them and be happy that Harry is well again and spending time with his best friend. This is why Norman is expressing these feelings toward Peter in this game and wasn't in the first game - in the first game Norman was too worried about trying to come up with a cure for Harry.

[@lukeogor481]

@@jhornacek It comes out of nowhere though. There is no precedent for his supposed father-son relationship with Peter, instead now he's weirdly friendly and familial with him.

[@jhornacek]

@@lukeogor481 The only reason it "comes out of nowhere" is because in the first game Harry is not there. Norman has no opportunity to interact with both Peter and Harry at the same time. Norman says that Harry is in Europe but he's actually in the tank, dying. Plus Peter is working for Otto, who is Norman's rival, so of course Norman is disappointed that Peter is working for him instead of working at Oscorp, or even with Harry - he literally says "When Harry returns from Europe next summer maybe the two of you can work on that startup you always talked about." This game is the first time Norman interacts with Peter when Harry is (supposedly) cured and living a normal life. At this point Norman thinks/hopes that this is the new normal - Harry is cured, and he and Peter are back to being best friends again and working together. We know from the first game that Peter and Harry are best friends and have been since they were kids. It's not out of nowhere that Norman would look fondly upon Peter from all those years of friendship.

[@Asgaardiangatekeeper]

The reason there arent many police in the game, is because people were literally crying because there were cops in the first one.

[@Giddog40]

I may be mis remembering this but I’m pretty sure miles had a whole thing about not being able to balance his schoolwork and other life stuff with being spider-man and then he just takes over as the sole spider-man at the end and says he can handle it. That doesn’t make any sense

[@loneronin6813]

I'm convinced this game's creators must hate the OG Spider-Man.

[@terrarune]

And beauty.

[@marcusclark1339]

they do, he's a straight white guy and that isn't the in thing to left leaning ESG soaked companies they hate it cause they view "diverse" as "non-white/non-straight" and shows every time Peter is emasculated, beaten down, loses to Miles or over praises Miles for the bare minimum

[@dylansharp8471]

What? Why?

[@loneronin6813]

@@dylansharp8471 The real OG Spider-Man would never even suggest that his superhero career is unnecessary, even if he does have a protégé. One of the core principals that makes Peter who he is as a hero is that he feels personally responsible for the wellbeing and lives of others and as long as he has the power to help someone, he will no matter what. This iteration of the character he flat out states that he is no longer needed because Miles is around. That is defeatist and something that someone who is giving up would say. OG Spider-Man would never give up if he were true to his character. That's only one example of course, but it's a good one in my opinion.

[@SoyboyPeter]

@@loneronin6813Jesus Christ you’re an idiot. Peter is hyping up miles, he’s not giving on being Spider-Man.

[@TheSpongyMallard]

I can't believe we got a worse symbiote story than Spider-Man 3.

[@brady3504]

Not only would giving Harry anti venom fix all his problems, but also Peter could have cured the man himself

[@maxm.m.7219]

As for giving Harry the Ant-Venom symbiote, there are two things I can say. 1. Peter probably doesn't know how to succeed at transferring the symbiote, as he failed to do so with the original symbiote. OR 2. A more likely theory is that the Anti-Venom symbiote is more different than people think. It's truly a part of Peter, and you can say that it was created FROM him. It's stronger intertwined with his body, so probably very difficult, and most likely very painful to simply separate from.

[@antoniokaszab2933]

True, in theory he can cure him with the anti venom. But he has that anti venom for a few hours and I think he haven't discovered this ability yet

[@stockwatsonnu8518]

This game felt like a less fleshed out version of web of shadows.

[@roachofdoom1234]

Come to think of it is Norman ever made aware that the symbiote leaves Harry and attaches to Peter? That has to be the case because otherwise Norman would put it together that Peter is Spider-Man. Doesn’t that mean Norman is slaving away at a cure because he’s under the impression that the symbiote isn’t working? That would at least explain why he never gives Harry the other symbiote that eventually ends up with Cletus Kassidy. But that would also mean Harry doesn’t know about the other symbiote either then right?

[@jhornacek]

Norman knows the symbiote is off of Harry when he shows up at the Foundation after the Hunters destroy it. He looks at Harry, sees he's injured, and asks if he's ok - he knows then that the symbiote is gone. He doesn't know that Peter has it. Spider-Man is wearing a new black suit that acts like the symbiote does, and it's on the news (the Danikast) so Norman likely knows that Spider-Man has it now.

[@jarmoliebrand2005]

2:20 That’s why Peter and Miles clearly hint at the latter skipping classes, if necessary. For Peter, it’s about keeping a job and thus a sustainable career. For Miles, it’s only just one class. 2:50 That’s on opinion. Yes, the arms are given to make Peter stand out more, compared to Miles. Miles just naturally has more powers. And Doc Ock’s arms came out of nowhere too, when he revealed them in the first game. It’s the same tech.

[@dUCkslF]

"budget Claire Redfield" 😂

[@bryankennedy3719]

Lol

[@KyreeAllen-oj7ck]

15:31 actually, before this cutscene the game showed that kraven found a flower that also happened to be an antidote to scorpion's venom

[@Dinosaur656]

The biggest issue I had with the story was that Venom defeated Kraven, when I really think Peter and Miles should've beaten Kraven. I think Venom should've been a background character in this game and become the main villain in a sequel Side note: They made the same mistake in Ratchet & Clank (2016) where Doctor Nefarious defeated Drek when Drek should've been the main villain not Nefarious.

[@KyreeAllen-oj7ck]

Derek ❌️ Drek ✅️

[@Dinosaur656]

@@KyreeAllen-oj7ck Thank you

[@S-treme]

I dissagre with that since Peter, Harry and venom is the main plot of story while kraven is more of second plot forces Peter and Harry become enemies like Dr octopus and Dr negative

[@Dinosaur656]

@@S-treme I thought that Kraven was the main villain and then they just set-up Venom partway through the story and had him kill Kraven. Then Venom and his Symbiote army appeared which then to me made it feel like a different game entirely. That's why I feel they could've set-up Venom in this game but had the sequel be all about Peter, Miles, Harry and Venom. I found Kraven's defeat very disappointing especially when throughout the story he was shown to be an unstoppable force.

[@S-treme]

​@@Dinosaur656I doubt Sony would let the biggest villain be secondary character in the same game of his arch enemy so I don't wanna know why you didn't think venom is gonna be the final boss lol. The whole thing about venom army is probably issomic but you to fight like the prisoners last game but with no build up like the first since is never talk venom could infect another while the first the prison is every time is mentioned

[@juststained]

God this game was so obviously "Modern Day" infected you couldn't pay me to play it. Insomniac is lucky kids love Spider-Guy and these will always sell millions regardless of the endless trash scattered throughout the game.

[@dylansharp8471]

The hell are you talking about?

[@juststained]

@@dylansharp8471 Seriously?

[@SoyboyPeter]

@@juststainedYour comment is just a nothing burger with no substance at all. You’re not offering any criticism here.

[@dededede9257]

The fact that insomniac are really just gonna do only sequel or dlc of this game for the next years is crazy this studio has fallen to the bottom to become a marvel product factory

[@marcusclark1339]

it really has become a mediocre company doesn't help the narrative is co wrote by a ESG company Sweet Baby Inc if u want to know why thats so mediocre ESG/DEI is all about social politics to appear "inclusive" which means social conformity and homogeneity and its very apparent what they don't like

[@TheEmperorRaidou]

​@chandllerburse737why are defending their mediocre games so hard? They're not gonna f u bro

[@gRizzly.-_-Pow]

prolly bc demand for these games are high? common sense isn’t very common ig

[@jsmooth7160]

​@@TheEmperorRaidoumediocre you shut your God damn mouth

[@dylansharp8471]

@@gRizzly.-_-Pow Plus people love the Insomniac Spidey stuff.

[@invidatauro8922]

21:05 Seriously, the man is a diversity jackpot. He's also half Black and Half Latin. All he needs is to say he's gay/bi and there isn't a college on Earth that wouldn't give him a full ride.

[@awesomacher7312]

I wish you would’ve ripped on the side quests because I hated doing boring EMF missions and helping high schoolers with their homework and proposals. None of the side quests had satisfying endings besides mysterio. If I’m gonna take the time to do all your side quests I want the satisfaction of taking down a bad guy. I would’ve enjoyed this game much more if I got to fight carnage and the chameleon. And if the side quests didn’t distract Spiderman with non life-threatening inconveniences.

[@jhornacek]

Being Spider-Man is not all about fighting villains. It's very important to him to help out people in his neighborhood. If you played the Miles game you would know that helping people in his community is *very* important to him - helping people in his school or investigating stolen instruments are just as important to Miles as fighting a supervillain.

[@Flaremc26]

Warning: Really long Rant that maybe true but think about the situation this game brings. A mysterious hunter is hunting down and killing villains. That kinda sets the tone for what kind of content it should be. I'm not saying we shouldn't get friendly neighborhood Spider-man but it shouldn't be in this game. The first game did it better where there were moments between each villain problem that you felt like you had time between each segment to be a friendly neighborhood spider-man. Miles spin off also did it better because they were through the app and despite the story problems of a vigilante app it was also a smaller scale emergency than an entire citywide crisis because it was tied to only Harlem and again there were segments to ease off tension and let you do these things.

[@awesomacher7312]

@@jhornacek those may be important to spider-man but those side quests are extremely boring to most players. Imagine your playing a video game as a police detective like “L.A. Noir” and the game’s side quests wants you to fill out paperwork. Like duh it’s important for the detective to do his paperwork but do I, the player, want to? No I want to solve the mystery and stop the bad guy

[@jhornacek]

@@Flaremc26Not sure what you're talking about. This game has lots of moments between missions where you have plenty of time to do non-main mission stuff - most of it is low-stakes like EMF experiments, finding Spider-Bots, helping Miles in his school/community, etc. Lots of side missions are always popping up and you can do them whenever you want. And there are lots of moments where the next main mission does not automatically pop up and Peter/Miles tells you "Time to check on what's happening in the city." As far as this game "setting the tone" for its content about Kraven hunting supervillains, I should remind you that the second game has a bombing at City Hall by terrorists that Spider-Man is desperate to find. And then a biological weapon is released in the city and criminals escape Rikers/The Raft. The tone of this game as far as the seriousness of what's happening in the city is on par with the first game.

[@jhornacek]

@@awesomacher7312 SPOILER: In this game you're not playing a detective in L.A. Noir. You're playing Spider-Man, who uses his powers to stop crime and help people. If you want a Spider-Man game where you only fight people and don't actually interact with the citizens, try to help people with their problems, etc then you don't really understand the character of Spider-Man.

[@kenlsten4651]

34:31 I would say his failure was the death of you-know-who in the first game. The hints to it are too subtle but make sense

[@Crazozourus]

Still can't believe this cost $300mln to make, and as of February 2024 it just broke even. Insanity of AAA development.

[@kinggbagg]

not gonna lie insomniac did a good job of making sure the after effects of boss battles or chases were still there. the game director even said they focused on it and you can see where

[@gangg1762]

Honestly it was a little too unrealistic to have the police completely cut out from the game. Like them or not, they exist in real life, and unless Spider-Man 2 takes place in an anarchist society, they should’ve been present. No ones saying Spidey had to be a bootlicker or anything, but the police should’ve been there.

[@PawasTastic]

It feels like Insomniac also suffered a huge nerf between SM1 and SM2 because this time around they just seemed like they don't know how to have more than one superheroes in their game and give both of them the emphasis they deserve without incredibly nerfing and low-balling one to get the other up on the pedestal. Considering the things Pete has done solo - the nerf he suffered in SM2 cannon is cringe-worthy and definitely makes for the best wasted $70 game. And then people were upset that it didn't win any awards. :P

[@nathanhodges411]

And just like cinemasins, you pad the sun count with things that aren’t a sin of the game.

[@VvodeAn]

There is no police around because the people who made this game love the Buy Large Mansions movement

[@smugbowkid9919]

The game is good. And… really that’s it. It has problems, it has upsides. Honestly, it’s not really worth the price, which is probably why it’s bundled with PS5’s more often than not. The best thing to come out of it were the completely insane people who believed that it should’ve won GOTY. Also Starfield should be fun, Alan Wake 2 is definitely going to take a while to understand.

[@tubebammy]

A lot of these “Kravens goons suddenly pop up” is the easiest explanation of “….. because they are hunting”

[@solomonrichards599]

16:01 That reminds me of that scene from Casablanca, where Ugarte gives Rick the transit papers for safe keeping, saying: "I have many friends in Casablanca, but for some reason, because you despise me, you are the only one I trust". That never made sense to me...

[@marley7868]

to me line sounds like "your the only man to outright say your my enemy so I can rely on you" basically saying his "friends" are his problem

[@davidbrze]

Was waiting for that one for sooooo long!!!

[@EpicDestr0yer]

10:55 I mean phin nearly went to the point of blowing up all of Harlem Miles just wants to kill a villain who has been locked up

[@spider-man500]

Revenge is revenge. Simple as that

[@KaiTenSatsuma]

25:35 - This is what I sometimes don't get: we'll touch on a topic that clearly will have been read up on - like how Particle Accelerators work and function and are maintained, but then in another video we won't get that the virus is overwriting someone's memory, not "replacing their DNA"

[@starustfa219]

2 months ago when i said msm2 story is lacking from almost every corner,ppl started flaming me. Now that the hype is down it opened peoples eyes

[@dylansharp8471]

Opened?

[@HaremArchon]

33:07 That is utter bullshit. Miles literally says in round 3 with Peter, that he blamed himself for not being able to protect the people that he cared for, his self doubt came from that

[@sebastianalhares]

I think he could have added about 40 minutes of sins for cutscenes and side quests. Personally love Harry’s line about firing half the board for more diversity after his daddy gifted him a multi million dollar company.

[@jbktpl1245]

Wait, Harry said that?!

[@sebastianalhares]

@@jbktpl1245 Yes, on the tour through EMF, when they enter the elevator.

[@jbktpl1245]

@@sebastianalhares Wow, that line slipped right by me. That just sounds racist.

[@sebastianalhares]

@@jbktpl1245 That's because it is,

[@rojaedavis8367]

The irony of how the writers think they're being WOKE, when really the idea of being hired just being you're black or latina or asian or whatever is condescending asf.

[@purpleiguana208]

Miles doesn't need to voice so his girlfriend can read his lips because he's signing to her. She sees the signs. He's just speaking for the benefit of the player. Also, deaf people don't magically get lipreading abilities, so even being able to see his face doesn't mean she'd necessarily understand what he was saying by watching his mouth move.

[@webwalkerz2048]

Still GOTY, Yuri should have wiped the floor with his voice acting and gameplay is great... What went wronng.

[@sup3414]

Apart from cucking and nerfing Peter Parker so much and making MJ ugly in this game, this game is just too safe, lazy, and repetitive for a sequel. Especially in storytelling where its just overly messy and MJ being once again a playable character which no one ever wanted!

[@stevenbobbybills]

32:00 in all fairness, Miles' spin-off game proved that it's impossible to remove his mask without his permission even without him being fully aware of it, since Krieger was shocked reflexively by the bio-electric powers when he tried to go for the seam of his mask.

[@jhornacek]

It's almost like he didn't play/watch the first game and the Miles game when making this video, based on this any many other "sins" that are actually explained in those games.

[@yoavbenclaudia3073]

True, but apparently Kraven is such a “Chad” that he can brush off numerous other contingencies and super powers, so it’s not impossible to believe he could have easily removed the mask just through endurance or by some safer means (rubberized gloves, plus Kraven’s plot armor).

[@jhornacek]

@@yoavbenclaudia3073It's not Kraven's goal to find out who Spider-Man is under the mask - he doesn't care about that. He wants to find a super-powered person that can fulfill his goal. I bet one of the Hunters told Kraven "We should take off his mask and find out who he is." and Kraven replies "Why? That matters nothing to me." Also, Kraven being prepared for the powers and abilities of his prey does not make him a "Chad" - it makes him a skilled hunter that studies his prety and knows their strengths and weaknesses.

[@damondgreen2239]

@@jhornacekKraven can causally tank a high powered stun gun that one-shot all of his hunters, it wouldn’t have helped Miles at all…

[@jhornacek]

@@damondgreen2239I'm not arguing that Kraven might have been able to physically remove the mask - I'm saying that he had zero interest in doing that. He didn't care who Miles was under the mask. And there's a difference between the intensity of MJ's stun gun and Miles' natural bio-electricity that protects him from having his mask taken off. I doubt that even Kraven would have been able to stand up to a prolonged jolt from Miles' electricity if he had tried to remove the mask.

[@MarkDavidKnight]

I thought the so called app never made sense anyways for precisely that reason

[@everything6864]

You are wrong on sand man the remains of sandman attack stays there for quite a while in the story and after that roofs of the affected buildings shows a dark patch where the sand was.

[@marbles8641]

You're right, in the comics Venom is weak to High Frequency Noise, Fire, Electricity (Miles would have kicked his ass), and other Symbiotes. The developers felt this was way to many weaknesses, and decided to just keep one... "So originally, there was like 5 different weaknesses of the symbiote," says Intihar. "And we were like 'oh my god, how are we going to communicate all these different things?' We were like, 'you know what, for our universe, we're just going to keep it to high-frequency sound.'" - Game's director, Bryan Intihar

[@drewengel7073]

Also most consumers only think that Venom's weakness is High Frequency Noise, so you don't have to add more exposition about the weakness.

[@truthache8560]

3:08 Anything to take agency away from Peter and only Peter. 7:01 She is an insert of the terrible writers face.

[@sebastianalhares]

For some reason MJ still looks like this woman.

[@HaremArchon]

9:56 Harlem knows Miles is Spider-Man. That's why later Teo tells Miles about something only Spider-Man could do 28:10 You say that like a medical needle and a crossbow can both pierce bones

[@Neeina]

I found it so funny the MJ level make her seem so OP rofl like she would one shot enemies spiderman would have to combo

[@emarythomp]

Honestly I already thought the writing in this game was meh, but with playing it again and seeing this video I’m realizing just how terrible it actually is.

[@heavensdooooor4251]

Goddamn this game story makes no sense

[@anonvoila4883]

Jesus, I don't know how you come up with your material. Please keep it up. You'd be surprised how few people have witty banter on KZbin nowadays.

[@Chris_3D1]

the first sin was a straight yapping session

[@pchluc1379]

16:43 this sin doesnt make sense considering if she took a flight she could easily get caught by kravens men if shes in the sky...plus that puts more people at risk

[@nick_4972]

There’s a lot wrong with this game

[@krystaldragons6040]

True that, what sucks is I loved the first one and even miles morales. So I had high hopes for this one considering they did the same thing Rockstar did with the ballad of gay Tony when they were developing GTA V. Sadly tho this was more than disappointing it was actually insulting. I wanted more scream dammit

[@nick_4972]

@@krystaldragons6040 I wanted more Venom.

[@krystaldragons6040]

@@nick_4972 at this point I will even settle for a venom standalone videogame (cause obviously a game like that will have carnage, misery and maybe even scream),provided they don't do him dirty like they did in this game.

[@dylansharp8471]

A lot? How?

[@invidatauro8922]

25:32 Everything about Harry's Tech Start-up tells me the writers have HEARD of everything that is introduced, but have literally no understanding of such things beyond the most basic. Like, they KNOW what a particle accelerator is at the most basic level but literally have no idea what it is beyond "Machine that accelerates particles".

[@Darkgun231]

Peter is the perfect example of somebody with high INT, but uses WIS as a dump stat. He could save so many more people by investing more effort in his technology, rather than going out and solving crime himself.

[@krystaldragons6040]

That's some superior Spiderman shit right there

[@S-treme]

Nah is just marvel prefer ignore wis Stat so every character can make stupid decision despire don't make sense

[@krystaldragons6040]

@@S-treme I can understand that for movies where it's actual people and they have budget stunts to consider but when it's a videogame where the character can literally do anything you want because they are just pixels being rendered it's not something I can excuse. Every marvel movie ending in a punchout is fine because cgi is expensive and sometimes ends up looking bad anyway. But marvel games can and should have a higher standard because we are actually controlling the playable character and we are the ones moving the story forward.

[@jhornacek]

It's almost like Peter was brought up by Uncle Ben and Aunt May who taught him to help people.

[@brandonspencer5594]

@@jhornacekand? His point still stands Doesn’t mean there way is the only way

[@kenlsten4651]

15:40 to the games’ credit, I think this is his suit from his game, not the one he currently uses in the game. You can kinda tell from the sleeve patterns

[@BlackTiger001]

The game is just more of the mcu. Its made for the same audience which is to say not comic book fans, or gamers. Its made by for the people who think its bigger so its better. The everyman that really is no one

[@dylansharp8471]

The hell are you even spouting?

[@BlackTiger001]

@@dylansharp8471 sorry, let me be clear. its a trash game made for people who watch the mcu and know next to nothing about spiderman.

[@LeonardMosca]

What I dug upwhy did they remove them???? TheGamer, Kotaku, and The Ringer put out articles saying the SM 2018 was pro-cop and they felt it was not a good representation of the social climate. Insomniac released a statement saying that it was not their intention to have the game viewed as “copaganda”.

[@nicholaslake5937]

You've helped me save a lot of money, and more importantly time, over the years. Keep up the good work.

[@XOrtKnight]

45:59 No. He can’t. While it’s true that the anti venom suit does the exact same thing as the symbiote, this cannot be removed due that it’s permanently part of his DNA, meaning he cannot remove the anti-venom suit.

[@jameskim966]

I think in most canon, Harry went to MTH because he couldn’t behave at the other boarding schools Norman sent him to. Still, you’re right. Harry in this universe is nerdy and seems academically astute, so going to MTH makes no sense.

[@jhornacek]

In the comics Peter and Harry didn't meet until college. But in most adaptations they make them high school best friends.

[@jhornacek]

@chandllerburse737 If you're talking about comic books, then yes, Ultimate is the one that says Peter, Gwen, MJ and Harry all went to high school together, even though in the 616 Peter didn't meet any of them until he went to college. But most cartoons and games have them all being childhood friends. Even some Marvel writers assume the cartoons/movies are the actual 616 history and make references to Peter knowing them in high school.

[@jhornacek]

@chandllerburse737Those two are the gold standard for Spidey cartoons. But even these cartoons made lots of changes from the comics. Peter never knew Felicia before she became Black Cat. Peter never went to high school with Gwen, Harry and MJ. Tombstone didn't appear until decades later - same with the symbiote and Venom.

[@masonsims847]

Every time your videos come out, it feels like its forever between each of them haha! I want to see more videos!