Can a compound bow outperform Heavy Bows against armor and shields?

[@dashrendar5320]

This video is getting a lot of comments, so I apologize that I’m not able to keep up with all of them. However, I want to kind of reiterate why I did the test the way I did. This was not meant to be a one to one comparison, modern compound technology is obviously superior, however, the purpose, for this was to dispel the notion a lot of people were saying the comments on how a compound would outperform a heavy warbow in the armor tests I have been doing. These are different tools for different tasks, one is meant for armored troops, the other for unarmored game and ultimate precision. Each is better at their own specific task

[@stupidhandles]

And that's after KZbin auto deletes half the comments like it did mine. (I called you a dirty boy for touching that abomination of archery)

[@paullee4042]

Agree but those compound tips are not desiged to punch thru heavy bone, Id like to see you use more tips similar to the the other arrows.

[@dashrendar5320]

@@paullee4042 also very true. I have begun the process of reaching out to other vendors to try and get higher pound compound bows, more modern ones, and more armor type piercing rounds.

[@paullee4042]

@@dashrendar5320 great hoe to see more.

[@dequitem]

Hell yeah a new Dash Rendar video and a new character. My day is blessed now!

[@dashrendar5320]

You being here blesses my day 💪 great new video by the way. Brutal…

[@dequitem]

​@@dashrendar5320you answered an old question in my mind. Are modern bows stronger?

[@Ashireiko_Tatsumi]

I didn't expect to see the knight and the ranger in one party, but here we are. Just need a mage now.

[@dequitem]

@@Ashireiko_Tatsumi 😅😅😅

[@PaulRaymond-fd4hx]

@@dequitem Don't forget to crank up that Compound to 70lbs now! I would really love to see those ballistic results!

[@ArtificialDuality]

I'm new to archery. Using a compound with pointed target tips on the arrows. It is a 65lb bow that measures at about 62lb right now. When I fail to hit the target, and instead I hit the wood frame around the target, the arrows go in so deep into the wood that I've broken a few trying to get them out. Some pointed target heads on those modern arrows would probably act a little more like the bodkin tips. The broadheads are for meat targets.

[@Indarow]

That went pretty much exactly how I expected. A war bow is a war bow for a reason. They’re engineered specifically to shoot a very heavy arrow pretty quickly and deliver maximum energy potential to pierce armor and incapacitate enemies. A modern compound bow is engineered to be easy to hold at full pull to accurately deliver a lightweight arrow very quickly and create a large cutting wound into game. Awesome video!

[@dashrendar5320]

100% different tools for different jobs.

[@DocSilveri]

Using a modern broadhead was frankly slightly unfair. Even a bulletpoint would have made it a better comparison. Wouldn’t have changed the results significantly. A silly 100+# compound with stainless steel weave arrows with a bodkin point (there should be some available) would be a more comparable result, but even then it’s more about than accuracy than anything else.

[@jkre]

Eye, compound bows are usually used with pretty light arrows, which is the reason it failed here. If shot with the same war arrows, then the results could have been different. Overall any bow transfers more energy with a heavier arrow than a light one, and compound bow has superior force draw curve, so it would be superior with heavy arrows too, even if it's not what it is usually used, but it would be very good with them. Btw. I am not a fan of modern archery gear, quite the contrary, so I am not biased towards the compound bow. I bet that even with that lighter draw weight, with heavy war arrows, the compound would outperform the old style warbows (the "horse bow" includes in the warbows), but maybe, just maybe a Manchu bow could outperform a compound bow, or at least come close, after all Manchu bow has the highest energy output of any traditional bow.

[@Indarow]

@@jkre true to a point. You gotta remember that the weight of the projectile is only part of the equation. The heavier the arrow gets, the more energy is required to throw it down range. Every projectile weapon has a sweet spot between speed and mass to deliver the most damage. A 1500gr arrow out of a modern compound hunting bow wouldn’t be traveling anywhere near the velocity it’s delivered from a war bow, and its energy down range would suffer as a result. The compound bow just isn’t made for that kind of projectile.

[@jkre]

@@Indarow true, 1500 grains would be too heavy, but 1000 grains for that 65 lbs compound maybe not so. You need 3 things that are needed from the bow to be good with heavy arrows, draw length, draw weight and a good draw force curve. Draw length it has enough, draw weight is on the lower side for war arrows but the force draw curve is better than any traditional bow

[@largmac1911]

Thanks for using my name idea for the new character. I'm honored.

[@dashrendar5320]

Most welcome my friend! 💪🏹

[@johnschmalbach8243]

This seems a bad comparison because a broad head (the compound) is going to make a HUGE difference in penetration. There was very little to stop you from using the same arrows to make it a comparison of the bows alone and not allowing the arrows, especially the arrow heads, to turn it into an apples to oranges. Btw, I don't own a single compound bow. All of my bows are traditional recurves. I just think your methodology is a bit off. I mean let's be honest. The broad heads for the compound are about maximizing tissue damage to kill an animal. The bodkin on the war bows are maximized to penetrate protection in battle. It's like comparing a full metal jacket bullet to a hollow point for penetrating armor. You could get arrows with bodkins made for the compound. Do that and the test would be relevant.

[@gozer87]

You'd have to figure our how to mount A notion on carbon fiber or aluminium arrow shafts.

[@LukeMcMullin]

@@gozer87 I agree also perhaps try using the same arrows then it really would be about the bows.

[@alantitter7879]

The arrows used on the compound bow are too light for the war bows and are probably in the dry fire weight range if used on a war bow. Using self nocking wooden arrows are not a good idea either for the compound bow either as wooden arrows with the grain the wrong way have been known to explode on release. The broadhead point without the blades however would penetrate hard objects more than with the blades in.

[@bhorrthunderhoof4925]

Very interesting video you shared with us today. Astonishing results. And I love the new RamBro! Had so much fun looking this. Thanks Dash! 🍻

[@dashrendar5320]

Thanks so much! So glad you had fun with it, always a great pleasure to make some fun videos

[@rjg02005]

Awesome video. Patiently awaiting your Space Marine character testing a railgun.

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahaha thanks man…one day I will get a space marine video together haha

[@thefatefulforce8887]

I was really looking forward to this test. I’ll admit, I wasn’t sure how the shield test would turn out. I "thought" the MR bow would perform best, as it combines the power and specialised arrow types for the job, but I expected the compound bow with broadheads to do a bit better against wood, since it’s not an extremely hard surface (in comparison to metal). However, I wasn’t surprised by the results against metal armor. While those blades are deadly against flesh, they fold easily against harder surfaces, as they aren’t optimized for that kind of target. Arrowheads-and even arrow weight-make a big difference when it comes to armor. Thanks for the test, Dash. I loved this one! It really puts into perspective how bows and arrowheads are optimized for different tasks.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thanks man!! Yeah it was a blast to make and the wood did surprise me for sure. I would imagine a double bladed broad head or even some kind of “modern bondkin” would perform better, but since there is not much armored game wandering around I would imagine that’s a niche market

[@warlordstrife6688]

@@dashrendar5320 There are some thick skinned stuff in Africa most hunters use large cartridge guns but maybe there is something people have made for hunting with bows. I think there is an arrow designed for hunting turtles that might work. Wish I knew more.

[@Angelic_Hero]

@@dashrendar5320 I think the only way you would get a major difference would be with some version of a field tip on a heavier aluminum shaft. was defiantly interesting to see what results you got from the tests, and the shield surprised me with the results for the compound bow because I was expecting the tips to do far worse.

[@timmclaughlin6214]

Now this was a damn good video. Multiple bows from across time coming together for bragging rights. Cue the beast tone!!

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend! Had a ton of fun just being a big kid

[@timmclaughlin6214]

I just enjoy archery. Yourself and Armin heirmer are great to watch.

[@Segyl88]

The Bow-verse is getting richer and richer with new characters!

[@dashrendar5320]

Tons of fun to make them up! I have like 5 outfits I have to keep swapping between now 😂

[@derekweber3720]

Great video! love the side by side testing. hope you're still having fun making long form content cause we love watching it

[@dashrendar5320]

Glad you enjoyed it. Yes I am having a ton of fun making it. It’s much more of an effort, but I think trying to have some humor and stretching it out a little more makes it way more fun for me to film.

[@goingfilipino]

Horsebow for the win 🤘🏿🤙🏿🏹 Honestly this may be your best npc interaction. You've definitely got a better handle on the horsebow. Absolutely killing it. Keep up the amazing work, hoss cat.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thanks so much man. I am having so much fun and yeah I feel like I’m starting to get a better and smoother draw with it. Still want to get another 2 inches but getting close I would like to get to 30ish

[@goingfilipino]

@dashrendar5320 That's one of my favorite things about my horsebows. The ability it gives you to overdraw to 32". I'm curious, what poundage are you pulling on the horsebow at 30"? Also, where did you get that bow. Few manufacturers make horsebows at that high of draw weight.

[@dashrendar5320]

This was from MR bows at 30 it would be around 150lbs. So pretty close to the upper limit I can actually aim with 😂

[@jkre]

Compound basically failed because of too light arrows with the wrong kind of arrow heads. And "horse bows" are designed for a reason, and it's not riding horses, range and power are, after all "horse bows" predate horse back archery.

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

I don't think it's that a modern compound bow is "worse" than the older bows. I think it's the arrows. Modern hunting arrows just aren't up to challenge. They dont have the weight, the arrowheads are optimized for hunting (not armor), and structurally, they just don't have what it takes to stand up against such hard targets. I'm sure with modern technology and materials you could make modern 'war arrows' and do just as well ye olde war arrows, there's just no reason to make them today. A good test all around, and if you were using them against unarmored targets (like Rambro) a modern compound bow and arrows would excell. You'd basically be hunting game at that point. Just a slightly more unusual game....

[@Buran01]

Compunds have better efficiency in staoring and transfering the energy to the arrow but here He's comparing a 65# compound against warbow with x2 that poundage.

[@Intranetusa]

​ @Buran01 Yep. The trad bows had almost double the draw weight as the modern compound bow, so it's no surprise they outperformed the modern compound bow. Crossbow and bow power is determined by multiplying three factors of powerstroke vs efficency vs draw weight. Both trad and modern bows have similar powerstrokes. However, the trad bow has much higher drawweight while the compound bow has higher efficency.

[@dariuszblack7956]

I used carbon arrows in begining when shooting 90lbs compound bow. Later my friend gave me arrows from metal. Steel for ship construction. I penetrated 1.8mm armor plate. While heavy they had custom diamond shaped head. I have only 5 because they cost more than 30 carbon arrows.

[@TylerB-my1kr]

Apa makes a 100lb compound that shoots like 800 grain arrows it will penetrate,65 just isn't quite enough for armor.

[@hyperguyver2]

These skits just keep getting funnier and funnier. Also no suprise RamBro couldnt go as deep as he thought

[@dashrendar5320]

😂😂😂 glad you enjoy them. Even got my wife to laugh at this one finally 😁

[@hyperguyver2]

Achievement Unlocked

[@marcm.]

Only critique, mind you it's really mainly to give a comment for the algorithm, is the heads for the compound bow, I wouldn't think our ideal for heart surface penetration... But this really was for the algorithm. Excellent video)

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you so much. Yes I went into the archery store and talk to them about what I was trying to do and these were some of the tougher ones but as I am sure you can imagine armor piercing arrows for compound bows are in short supply 😂 I want to try and create some work of custom bodkin or needle point at some time

[@dwarf_nz483]

@@dashrendar5320 Standard screw--in target heads would be a much more reasonable match for old style bodkin heads. They are more like bullet points that you screw and glue into the inserts of modern shafts. Asking modern broadheads to penetrate armour when they are designed with "hollow" blades means that you basically invalidated your results before you even started. Anyone can tell you that arrows NOT intended for penetrating armour, but are instead made to be as light as practical while maintaining a cutting edge are more than likely to fail by crumpling or bending when put to such a test.

[@General_Kenobi_212]

If it wasn't for copyright reasons, I'd have said play Rambo's theme song everytime the camera pans to RamBro 😂

[@dashrendar5320]

Man I wish I could do that 😂😂

[@MF88888]

@@General_Kenobi_212 a Rambo or Arnie character would be 😂

[@Geist7920]

Been waiting a long time to see this. Excellent.

[@dashrendar5320]

Hope you enjoyed it 💪🏹

[@positivelydj]

This was really cool to see. Gonna subscribe. I've seen some of your videos come up here and there, but I definitely want to see more of these modern vs ancient weapons tech.

[@marileedalenspookygramma400]

Well, you are just a big kid,aren't you! But that's what makes your videos fun! Thanks again for the info and the laughs! Love the new character.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yes, I want hundred percent in just a big kid. So glad you enjoy the fun. They are a blast to make.

[@eric1138]

It would be interesting to see how the compound would perform in your tests using field tips. Broadheads do create more friction when attempting to pass through inanimate materials.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah I gotta find a way to fashion “modern bodkin” tips or something similar to that

[@thomaskurz5617]

That was my idea as well when I saw the shots t the shield. The broadhead is not designed to get through armor, wild animals normally do not wear body armor. :) Against the wooden shield I think a field point would have punched through, I burried arrows quite far in wooden frames and trees when missing a target. The metal armor would just have flattened most fieldtips as they are not hardened. Again they are not designed to penetrate armor just soft foam targets. I know that in competition some people shoot tungsten field points, would be interesting how they fare, as I only know them as penetrator core for AP shells. But still it was fun to see, so keep it up.

[@TheLiamis]

Use aluminium shafts too. Carbon does not like hard targets.

[@Frog13799]

Do this test with proper arrows for the compound, if one would face armour you would rig for buffalo not deer.

[@eric1138]

@@TheLiamis Agreed. 2317 or 2419 should do. He would probably have to bring up the draw weight to 75-90 lbs to match the spine of the shafts. Rock-in it old school! :)

[@luisrodragon4938]

I also saw it here on KZbin, a fair test using a riot police shield. The test subjects used were a long bow, a recurve, and a compound bow. The arrows used were approximately the same weight. DL, I believe it was 29" and DW was 70 LB. The distance was 20 yrd. They used various arrowheads. The compound bow had the long bow and the recurve beat using an arrowhead that looked like a field point. The modern bow out performed the traditional bows. I have been using compound bows since the late 70s for 3-D competitions and for hunting. But on occasions, I'll shoot a 3-D event using my traditional equipment. I don't want to forget my roots.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yes in a 1 to 1 it will outperform. However many people though a compound bow could outperform the very heavy draw weight bows I use. So it was more about showing the actual difference in power between a heavy warbow and a compound bow

[@zedlav6975]

I saw that one too. If I remember correctly, a blunt small game tip blasted right through the shield. A blunt, thin rod penetrates composite material pretty easily, that’s why armor piercing rounds have a steel rod in them. I wonder if it’s similar with wood, field tips seem to penetrate plywood pretty easily but broadheads just break.

[@Boomchacle]

@@dashrendar5320I wonder if they even make compound bows as heavy as the traditional ones you use.

[@The_Judge300]

@@dashrendar5320 I am not saying that a modern compound bow will win this test at all, but your test was VERY flawed in multiple ways. I have been shooting all sorts of bows for more than 45 years and some things were in much and even extremely disadvantage against the compound bow. I have also hunted with bows for almost 40 years. Both with traditional and compound bows. Firstly, was it very obvious that the compound bow was poorly tuned with how the arrow flight was. This makes both the arrow to lose energy and to hit in a less than ideal way, resulting in that both the penetration gets worse and the arrow more easily break and/or arrow head bend. Sadly is poor or less than ideal tuning VERY common among compound bow users. Secondly, was the structural integrity of the arrows total crap. Those arrows were clearly made for target shooting or shooting rather soft game, like a deer, and not to break through more heavy bones as an arrow built for hunting Cape Buffalo or Elephants with is. With such bad structural integrity will you lose extremely much penetration capability as the arrow will both bend a lot and/or break and most of the energy is lost to that instead of driving the arrowhead into the target. You need to use stronger arrows, like 200-250 spine, with some sort of outsert that strengthen the first 2 inches to stop the arrow head from splitting the arrow shaft apart. You can buy them or you can do as I do, making them of aluminum shafts that have the correct diameter to just fit outside the carbon shaft and glue them on. Thirdly, did you use arrowheads that are way to weak for a test like this and at the same time having way to much surface that you need to push through compared with the bodkin arrowheads you used with the war bows. For a comparable test do you need to use comparable heads with similar profiles and strength. You can use a rather pointy field point, but there might be some so called armor penetrating arrow heads made for modern arrows you can get your hands on, that will be more similar to your bodkin arrowheads. They might be only available from China, but I have no idea about how hard they are. I have no idea how much the arrow weight matters in this test and that is also not so important for what you really want to do by it, by answering all the keyboard experts that often know little to nothing about what works or not and why it does or not. And the same goes for FOC. I do know from experience that arrow weight and FOC matter rather much for penetration together with my points higher up in my essay when it comes to hunting. My two compound setups for hunting would have been much better to use for this test. One is a 70lbs bow with a 32" DL and the other one is a 80lbs with the same draw length. Both shooting the same 650 grain arrow with very good structural integrity and both VERY well tuned with perfect arrow flight. I am not saying that any of them would win this test, but it would be a much more fair test to see how wrong or correct those keyboard experts are, as the compound setup, arrows and broadheads you used were stacking everything in huge disfavor for the compound bow side. One thing I can say for sure, is that with my 70lbs bow, my arrows and a similar arrowhead to the bodkin ones, would do VERY much better on the shield than you experienced from the compound bow and the arrows/broadheads you used. I know this as this as I have done a similar test with field points with a very different result than you got.

[@grayshadow1856]

Incredibly gratified that the trad bows outperformed! I can't wait for a costume closet tour in like five years haha

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahahaa all the outfits

[@Intranetusa]

The trade bows had almost double the draw weight as the modern compound bow, so it's no surprise they outperformed the modern compound bow. Crossbow and bow power is determined by multiplying three factors of powerstroke vs efficency vs draw weight. Both trad and modern bows have similar powerstrokes. However, the trad bow has much higher drawweight while the compound bow has higher efficency.

[@RaymondBCrisp]

It's all about purpose. The compound bow is probably better for hunting unarmored deer, as it's likely more consistently accurate at greater ranges and doesn't require nearly as much effort to draw. I mean, there's a reason they use them in Olympic and other competitions instead of war bows, though I'm sure there are competitions specifically for those as well.

[@dashrendar5320]

Most assuredly! However everyone was asking to see the comparison and I was happy to oblige 😂

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

I do agree, but its fun to see it tested and as always the caveat of define 'better' as its really not a universal thing. Your modern composite bow and arrows do have advantages in how they shoot no doubt about it, but if you do manage to damage the arrow etc out in the middle of nowhere you'd need to find a weirdo living out there with a real workshop to fix it... So if your bow hunting more for the sport, or the excuse to walk around in the forest than the pot it is not the end of the world to come home and have to wait for the mailman to bring you the replacement parts, but if the food value is genuinely important to you the more natural materials of the traditional bow and arrow is something you can plausibly work on with only the materials you can gather from the woods.

[@Kingdoms.Kobolds_81]

Loved the funny intro. The arrow test was a bit skewed due to using hunting broadheads with the compound bow rather than bodkin tips like the others, but otherwise great 👍

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you, my friend. Glad you enjoyed that. Yes it’s hard to find tips that would work well for compound bows against armor. They’re just are not designed to do that so it really is different tools for different tasks but a lot of people felt like just a standard compound bow and broad heads would outperform so I just wanted to show the base test

[@johnjapuntich3306]

@@dashrendar5320 Field points are probably as close as you could get...

[@TheDukeBoxer]

Excellent! I've looked before for a compound vs trad bow video and you've finally done it. Thankfully it went as I suspected 😬

[@dashrendar5320]

Yes, indeed. Different bows for different purposes 100%. I think a lot of people think that just cause the compound can shoot faster and is newer. It will outperform but it’s just not made for that.

[@positivelydj]

Would love to see if war arrows fired through a modern bow would have any different results, if possible!

[@dashrendar5320]

Man it might be possible but it would have to be a much stronger compound bow. As the arrows are like triple the weight of what most modern compound bows shoot…

[@positivelydj]

@dashrendar5320 it might be worth looking into. Just as with the invention of the recurve bow changing how the mobility of ancient bows, because the limbs of bow are curved forward, the invention of compound bows being able to put out more power per pound of draw weight, it would be nice to see if the ancient war arrows would fire faster and stronger if a compound bow could fire them. The problem with the modern arrows is that they aren't made for hard targets. no matter how hard and fast they are shot, if they can't survive the shot, they are worthless against hard surfaces.

[@dashrendar5320]

Very true. It would he a fun video to try for sure 💪🏹

[@clo8076]

@@dashrendar5320I have some broad heads and arrows that are over 1000 grains that I shoot out of a 65lb compound bow, they fly just fine. The arrows are nye impossible to break too. I’m almost certain “Bishop Archery” would be happy to have you test one of his arrows and heads. He’s an awesome gentleman who makes everything on his own in a small shop. Phenomenal engineer too. (I’d add a link to his website, but it won’t post on youtube) As a side note, I enjoy my horse bow the most, but can’t beat my compound and Bishop Arrows in the hunt. Please reach out to Bishop Archery!

[@trudeuvult8445]

Hey dash i love your videos. You helped get me into archery. Watching your videos as well as clay hayes and hunt primitive has really taught me a-lot and helped me get started. I was curious, i know you have made arrows would you try and maybe make a bow like clay hayes?

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you so much my friend. I am glad you enjoy the videos. Man that would be very cool to try and make a proper bow myself but it just makes me nervous haha

[@trudeuvult8445]

@@dashrendar5320 i completely understand that. It made me nervous at first to ive made a few and so far only had one snap and it was because i let my friend shoot it and he overdrew the hell out of it and it blew up. Can be kinda scary

[@garrettschienschang7898]

For a bit of a price tag you can get a 100lbs compound if you feel more comfortable with a heavier bow

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, I have looked into those. I think the one I have seen that’s like 100 pounds is 1100 bucks. So maybe if I get a video that does super well one day I can justify that price tag. The KZbin money is the fun money 😁

[@dariuszblack7956]

If you want powerfull compound find gorilla 120 lbs. I don't remember mark.

[@Lycan3303]

most powerful medieval crossbow vs most powerful modern crossbow

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha if only I had the budget

[@Intranetusa]

The issue is powerstroke vs efficency vs draw weight. Crossbow and bow power is determined by multiplying all three. Modern crossbows have lower draw weight but much better powerstroke and efficency. Different cultures also used crossbows that had these factors in different ratios. European crossbows for example often had higher draw weight but low powerstroke and low efficency (for the steel prod ones). East Asian (eg. Chinese) crossbows had high powerstroke and higher efficency but more moderate draw weights. A 1400s AD European crossbow with a steel prod for example might have 1000 lb draw weight, 6 inch powerstroke, and 40% efficency. A 1200s AD Song Dynasty crossbow with a composite recurve prod might have a 400 lb draw weight, 14 inch powerstroke, and 70% efficency. Of course, there are variations as some European crossbows were made with composite organic prods with higher efficency and some East Asian crossbows also had huge draw weights into the 1000 lbs for infantry versions.

[@garythomson713]

Check out Tods workshop. Pretty sure he's done this.

[@evalyne4393]

Plus building a carbon arrow up 700 grains. Or plus they have a cone insert that could act like a booking point. Lol most powerful like joe Roger's hoyt or bowmer bowman

[@TylerB-my1kr]

I work at tenpoint crossbow technologies and the fastest highest power crossbow is made by us ,it is abnormally expensive, like 5500 us dollars expensive. But trx 515 is cool as all get out.

[@maxwellhill2901]

Love the horse bow, but I would love to see how the compound bow does with the wooden arrows with proper weight.

[@dashrendar5320]

I know it is amazing. I need to get some actual proper weighted arrows for it. It’s still throwing those massive Morville arrows right now.

[@dashrendar5320]

“Warbow arrows”

[@maxwellhill2901]

@@dashrendar5320 yes

[@professionalbodger]

Arrow budget increases dramatically after this episode! Would be cool to see the compound bow launch some warbow arrows!

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha I would try it but it’s not my Bow so I would be terrified to damage it

[@professionalbodger]

@@dashrendar5320 Thats fair enough dude! Not sure how safe it would be either to be fair haha. Keep up the awesome content brother!

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend

[@Cepcup697]

Dash, I'm waiting for a comparison video between the Ottoman war bow vs the English longbow

[@dashrendar5320]

And I am waiting and dreaming of the day when i can actually get an ottoman war bow

[@Alexalicious]

I didn't expect the difference to be so drastic! I do however prefer Compound Bows visually; I just think they look awesome~!

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah I was only really surprised that it did so poorly against the wooden shield to be honest. The rest I was basically sure it would crumble haha

[@Alexalicious]

@@dashrendar5320 Haha, you are the expert, so makes sense

[@TheDukeBoxer]

@dashrendar5320 that's almost exactly what my modern arrows do whenever they hit wood. The tips disappear into the shafts and the aluminium either bulges or peels back.

[@rookie_hero8682]

Need to put a bodkin style tip on the modern arrows. I think the broadheads you are using have a major disadvantage as a head to head against armor.

[@TheLiamis]

Use aluminium shafts too. Stiffer and heavier. Carbon just explodes on hard targets.

[@shawn6860]

Compound bow poundage is game changer too. It was good to test it at common poundage vs heavy armor and shields. I do wonder if a higher poundage would work better or if that compound system is dropping hitting power with the cams. As for Warbows out doing Compounds it makes sense. the Cams vs strings looks to be a difference.

[@williamadams4843]

What tips? Looks like armor piercing for the war bows and broad heads for the compound. A spike would be more comparable. If i am wrong about your points then awesome video.

[@MrRourk]

The lesson Ishi taught the Anthropologist as laughed and laughed at them. They kept asking him why he does not target shoot & practice. He taught them how to make the bows and the arrows. Then watched them as they lined up to target shoot.

[@tapiomanner232]

After the arrow has left the bow it does not remember what kind of bow it was. So this is really a test of the arrows.

[@garrettschienschang7898]

I’ve been sticking a training band on my bow and now I can fairly easily pull at least 90lbs (where my scale maxes out) I don’t know my current max.

[@dashrendar5320]

Awesome!! Keep at it that’s fantastic

[@JIMRECURVEGUY]

Those are fleshy arrow heads for the compound bow. I would have done a needle point bodkin type for that test to be honest. There are similar arrow heads for penetration testing. @amazon has those.

[@Killer28967]

Yesss dash never stop posting this is the best!!

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you so much glad you enjoyed it

[@Ember_EX]

arrowhead and arrow weight clearly are just as important factors in penetrations of hard targets as the bow itself.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yea for sure, the mass of the arrow is really the defining difference (and the arrowheads of course)

[@luckrequired5382]

Who won? We did. Thanks for the laughs. :) I don't think compound bow fans are gonna stop until they are proven right. I think a better comparison would be which more sustainable and practical for everyday use in, say, a zombie apocalypse type scenario. Anyways, I'm a fan of the classics too, and like Rambro once said in Spy Kids 3 'nothing beats good old blunt force trauma'... 🤭

[@dashrendar5320]

So glad you had some laughs my friend! I think I enjoy the “skits” as much as anything, Which actually take like 3 times as long to film as the actual tests 😂

[@UnHellequined]

Amazing tests, lots of fun. And the results are pretty much expected when stopping to think about them for a moment. The compound arrows are just not at all designed or fit for hitting a hard target like armour. As soon as we saw that arrow crumple in on itself against the shield, we see the factor limiting penetration isn't the power of the bow but the shape of the tip and structure of the arrow as it's spending a bunch of energy deforming rather than penetrating. I would love to see tests with the same or similar compound bow, but with arrows better designed for a hard target (slimmer head profile and stronger shaft so they don't just break). Obviously modern bodkin arrows aren't really a thing the archery shop will sell, but it would give a much more fair comparison between the bows specifically.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thanks so much, it was super fun to do as well. But yeah, I even went into the archery shop near me and explained what I was going to do. It was kind of an awkward conversation haha. He gave me the best stuff you thought could work, but it’s just not something that’s thought about, most big game does not wear armor 😂

[@jonathanrobinson4020]

Rambro didn’t have his explosive tipped arrows

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha yeah that would even out the playing field

[@MultiOhioman]

I do really admire your accuracy! Wow.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend

[@Geist7920]

Field tips on the compound would perform better than broadheads. One thing i would be interested in seeing though? You should use broadheads across the board on something like ballistics gel. Im curious to see the damage difference. Excellent vid bro Edit: or i could just watch the ones i just found of yours and compare it to some compound vids i found lol.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yes, I think they probably would. I’d like to try to create some sort of custom needle tip for them. However, that’s not in demand as there is not much armored deer running around haha. it would be cool to try the differences with something that’s more analogous to an animal or a person for sure

[@Geist7920]

@@dashrendar5320 agree 100%. I actually COULDN'T find that comparison. It's crazy how few people really look at warbows. That's a physical limitation though let's be honest. I can pull an 80# myself but nowhere near pulling 100+ lol.

[@dimatraveler]

A vagabond on a kayak, I really survive on uninhabited and tropical islands Greetings from Indonesia from the channel Dima traveler . 👋🙂🏝 .

[@tristanswain7107]

I think this is more a commentary on modern arrows vs war arrows, as the mass difference between them is the difference I believe. The bows themselves are simply there to provide acceleration to the arrows. Still a good video

[@adders45]

Ha ha brilliant, Dash mate weight is weight, the heavier the more power, nature. You cannot get blood out of a stone. Great vid loved it, and don't be modest about your archery skill, we all can see how sodding good you are with a heavy bow. You could always invite yer man from England who built your bow, bet you both could have some fun together that we the audience would lap up.😊

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you so much and man that would be an absolute dream to head over there one day. If I ever get a chance or opportunity I will jump at it 💪🏹

[@michaelhunter3471]

Great video and you are correct different tools for different jobs, the single bladed broadhead will always out perform a three bladed broadhead on penetration that is why the old war bows did better as they are using single bladed so less contact meaning less resistance. Then add some basic maths like the arrows are far heavier so the kinetic energy is going to be more, If you shot a solid single bladed broadhead on a 600 grain arrow with a 80ib -90lb compound then you might see a different result, keep the good work up.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you, my friend. I truly appreciate that. Yeah I reached out to some companies that produced 100 pound compound bows to see if I could get some sort of deal or something because that would be a very cool test with a heavier, compound bow and much heavier arrows

[@VinceW187]

You have been on fire lately with the output

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you, my friend. Been having tons of fun with it.

[@PieterBreda]

Those moder arrows are probably made for hunting animals, to create a wide wound, not for penetration of hard surfaces.

[@dithaingampanmei]

One thing i always assumed was that compound bow technology was more efficient compared to traditional bows and recurve bows. And that would mean the force graph multiplied with the powerstroke(draw distance) as the input energy and the output energy being the kinetic energy of the arrow. But now that i think about it, its not so obvious how the gears and cams increase the efficiency when it should actually be the limb material and the tuning of the arrow to the bow that matters in the equation. If there's any professional/expert who sees this maybe they could explain it to me. One positive for the compound vow is obviously for the faster velocity ceilings you can achieve with the mechanical advantage. Im not blind to that. Fast arrows have less drop which works great for precision shooting. the draw weight let-off is great for holding it drawn longer, and the trigger tools help decrease some human randomness at the moment of release.

[@Nowhy]

I answered a bit in another comment (sort by newest).. yes, the materials make up for quite a bit (especially for the arrows and their precision) and gears and cams indeed increase the efficiency of the energy transfer to the arrow (different cams lead to different drawcycles lead to different speeds).. Your thinking is pretty much on point - I would have loved a better comparison, there is one dude in the comments who set some things straight and who had a solution with calculating the kinetic energy with a chronograph and a scale... there is a Danish archer (or Sweden?) who makes trickshots videos, shooting arrows through keyholes and stuff, and he has quite a big channel. In one of his newer videos he tests the penetration on a knight's chest armor replica and how to shoot fast with a compound bow.

[@Nowhy]

a looked a few things up and there are a few things to be found about people calculating the kinetic energy of warbows.. there sure will also be some people doing the same for compound bows and then there are calculators for them...

[@Nowhy]

oh, my comments seem to be hidden.. ahh well, shadowban, technical issue or the owner of the channel doesn't like my writing here...

[@dashrendar5320]

No I did not hide anything haha. Sorry if they are not showing up. I love the discussion and knowledge my friend 💪🏹

[@BionicDeathclaw]

I'd like to see a compound bow that's as hard to draw back as the traditional bows. I think it would still lose as the arrows simply don't have the mass, and the tips are too thin. It's pretty clear in the arrow design that compounds are only built to go through meat, not shields or armor. I'd love to see a compound bow with arrows that were specifically designed for that purpose.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yes, I agree with all of that. The heaviest I can find is 100 pounds. I reached out to a couple companies that make them but that would be awesome to get something like that. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything over 100 unfortunately.

[@philozoraptor6808]

My experience with shooting mostly carbons shaft arrows from horsebows right next to people that shoot carbon shaft arrows from modern recurves and compounds is this: 1) Arrow heads, some shapes just penetrate backstop nets and wood target frames much better than others (I know this from a friend I definitely dont miss the target sometimes), of all the modern target arrowheads I have shot the tophead 3D arrowheads got the most penetration (at least vs kevlar backstop net), they are like budget bodkins I had to stop using them because my arrows were hitting concrete wall right behind the net. 2) Arrowhead / arrow shaft thickness, one of the main advantages of modern bows is that they can shoot arrows at lower gpp (light arrows) at high speeds which means the arrows can get really slim, which means they need to defeat less material to penetrate same depth than much thicker arrowheads and arrow shafts. Basic target point that is same thickness as the shaft would probably do better than that broadhead vs hard surface like wood and metal. 3) Compound bows in my experience can achieve more kinetic energy at same draw length and draw weight when compared to olympic bow or laminated horsebow, however it is in ballpark of 20% or so. So if you can do 60 joules with 60 pound horsebow, you probably can do around 70-75 with compound. However compound will be able to achieve this even at 5-6 gpp while with horsebow you generally want 7-10 and probably more with longbow. Also to my understanding it is easier to pull and hold same draw weight with compound when compared to real manly bows. You can get away with very poor form with compound and still shoot relatively high draw weigh without injury, alternatively someone like you could probably pull 180-200 pound compound bow.

[@RomanKuvaldin]

Well, effect of shooting broadheads on metal sheets is... expected.

[@MrHuggaga]

well those arrowheads had no chance at penetrating anything, they're made for cutting through flesh, not for piercing hard objects. i would like to see how normal target shooting tips perform, as it was, the test was a bit pointless imo.. cool still, but very predictably failing on the compoud bow side with those tips. that being said, i don't KNOW if field tips would be enough as the arrow shafts themselves are still a weak point, but it would definetly improve the piercing ability, just by how much remains to be seen.

[@Nowhy]

but then.. anyhow, no hearts for your comment...

[@MrHuggaga]

@@Nowhy what? care to elaborate?

[@GardenArcher7625]

You need to tune the compound-bow and find out which arrow flies best with your configuration, FIRST... also the broadheads nowadays outperform old ones by far..

[@somniferousSirenSocial]

We need to get you that second camera!

[@dashrendar5320]

Man I know! I hate having to do multiple cuts of the shots. It just does not look as good

[@gizmonomono]

I've seen a few of your videos, and I like you. I'm subscribed now.

[@dashrendar5320]

Awesome. Happy to have you along.

[@patricj951]

Very interesting comparison. While the compound bow is a great invention, a traditional bow is not a toy, which seems to be many people's belief. In many cases a compound is compared to a much weaker traditional bow, like a target bow. But when comparing the compound to a traditional bow with same or higher draw weight, the difference is not that huge as many believe.

[@dashrendar5320]

Fully agree. I think a lot of people get a bad idea with the actual power of heavy ancient bows used for war. The mass and size of arrow they can push down range is truly astounding.

[@brisngrfiftysix6085]

Honestly, I think the best tips you could use on modern arrows are target tips. Since those are just a sharp point similar to bodkin arrows? (Not that familiar with older style arrows). Primarily because they dont have the huge sharp blades designed for cutting unarmored flesh like a broadhead you were using here. Not that I think using that tip would make a modern bow of that poundage beat out an actual war bow, but it would have given a much better showing IMO.

[@dashrendar5320]

It’s true I was looking jimmy rig some sort of needle or bodkin tip. But I’ve actually reached out to quite a few modern specialists to see if I could use an actual super modern high-powered bow with Better arrows. I still don’t think the mass will be there in the arrows, but I think it can do much better than just with the standard set up. I have.

[@hyperfocused3465]

Great video! I agree with the other comments saying that the compound bow's lighter arrows and different arrowhead are likely the main contributing factor for performing so significantly lower than the historical bows. That horse bow is insane, where did you get that! I'm looking at more recurve style bows (I have the basic like takedown one from any store lol). Thanks!

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, that is a massive difference for sure but modern bows don’t really have much in the way of needle or bodkin points. There is just not a lot of demand against armored deer 😂😂 glad you enjoyed it

[@sesimie]

ok I had to subscribe.... I will show this to olympic level archers. I really want to see you with an Atlatl!

[@dashrendar5320]

I have actually done a few videos with that in the past. It’s been a while since I took it out, but I do have one. They are super cool. Also glad to have you my friend.

[@randomdude4505]

A better question is how the compound bow would perform with war arrows? I wouldn't expect it to out perform a war bow as they are designed for different purposes.

[@dashrendar5320]

I think it might damage it to be honest. It’s not my bow so I did not wanna do anything risky with it. They are like 3 times the weight

[@GEKKO_Archery]

OK, yes... a 100++ lbs Warbow can deliver more kinetic energy than a 70lbs Compound with a light Arrow. What's your point???

[@dashrendar5320]

My point is that many people did not believe it could (people in the comments mind you) so this was just demonstrating that

[@trikepilot101]

Great opening. Practice tips might have had a better chance of piercing the armour than the broadheads.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you for that. Yes they very well. May have. I was not sure I went to the archery store and the guy said these were probably my best bet. I’m not familiar with the modern types.

[@Elem156]

Well fck Rambo, Rambro join the fight. Also what I see so far commercial compound designed for hunting not for armor unless its a custom compund. Great testing.

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahah yes that’s basically the point I was trying to make. They are two different tools for two different functions. A lot of people seem to think there was overlap and that a compound bowed out perform, and it is faster and better for hunting game. It’s really not made to punch into armor.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

The biggest advantage of a compound bow is that they're easier to hold at full draw for a longer time, making them a lot easier to aim.

[@richardcope9803]

First, love Ram Bro. Best intro I think. Question. Is the horse bow the same or similar to what the Mongolian archers used?

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you so much! So glad you Enjoyed the intro. This one is much larger than the Mongolian bows. Those ones were closer to 40 inches and this one is 54 I think

[@jonathanwessner3456]

yeah, I expected those hollow aluminum arrows to break like that one did on the shield test. I've had a few do that from a weaker bow. Like 40-45lb

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, not built for that purpose but a lot of people seemed to think that by using one it would blast though all the stuff

[@Scotland_the_Brave1984_McCabe]

Idk if u have twin brothers or if your playing to the camera 😂 iv just started watching..good stuff.

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahaha no just me trying to be funny. Glad you enjoyed it my friend

[@notcherbane3218]

Normally arrows would be made during "down times " which referred periods of time and which you can't go outside. such as during the winter months when you're stuck indoors in situation like that or when there's storms and you can't go outside.

[@dashrendar5320]

Nowadays they are made while watching Netflix 😂 for me at least

[@OceanAlly]

You should compare your war bows to a 100 pound APA King Cobra compound bow. I would be very interested to see if there's still such a big difference in penetration between that and your war bows.

[@dashrendar5320]

Man that would be amazing! I reached out to them to see if I can get a discount or something 😂 fingers crossed

[@themartyr9086]

Super cool test. My money was on the old school bows. 🎉🎉🎉

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend so glad you enjoyed it!!!

[@DemonaeTV]

Great video, and about as expected against armor. I am curious about Rate of Fire and Accuracy tests. Would a modern bow be better for shooting at weaker or unarmored points accurately, and could you get more shoots off much faster?

[@dashrendar5320]

Accuracy wise 100% it’s much much easier to pull up a specific point with that kind of bow. Though I would say it’s quite a bit slower to load and loose a arrow.

[@Nowhy]

you could be faster with the right rest and release handle, especially with a compound bow magazin construction, and you will be way less tired, have less body damage, even with the same poundage because with a compound you only pull the weight once and then you'll have a letoff (only having to hold a small percentage of the poundage while aiming, 75-90% is standard).. a compound bow is just way more effective when it comes to what you put in and what you get out - even more so over time because of the materials that are being used...

[@sonofgeorge8778]

Arrows? I think you put the issue to rest, but I'd be curious to what happens if you shoot one of the heavy arrows with the compound bow (and vice-verse?). 😁 Great vid! Thanks!

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha if the bow was mine I would try it but it’s not mine and I feel like if I tried to push out one of those massive arrows it would not be health for the compound bow

[@maxgriffin7870]

be interesting to see the compound bow again but with solid single blade broadhead. Or if there's a way to attach a bodkin tip to the modern shaft that would be very cool!

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, I was actually trying to figure out a way to fix a bodkin tip to the arrows. I think I can Jimmy rig something up, but I didn’t have the time to complete it so maybe in the future test I can customize it more.

[@maxgriffin7870]

@@dashrendar5320 that would be rad. I'd be curious though too see if doing that replacement reveals another weakness in the modern shaft. does the carbon fiber have the same strength as the solid wooden? or with a hard enough impact would they be more prone to shattering? Only one way to find out hahaha!

[@tag7299]

What I always wanted to see is a comparison between two equally pounded bows, one Compound and one Reflex. With the same arrows, mind me. Yet I am still waiting. The experiment is futile. Because the poundage of your bows is in no way comparable. Neither are your arrows. Compound bows are the sniper rifles among bows, they are made for hunting wildlife, a precise first hit, not sustained fire or even armour breaking shots. And the same way their arrows are designed, lightweight, precise with high shot repeatability and a straight flight trajectory. They are not made for breaking armour. A 100lbs Compound Bow would shoot an arrow with more energy than a reflex bow or a long bow, but an arrow that quickly accelerates (and thusly gains a high flight speed) also decelerates quickly, with a lacklustre penetration capability. I mean, you could technically marry the two concepts, Lars Anderson did it once. Make the bow compound, make it primitive, make the arrows heavy.

[@dashrendar5320]

Well, I understand the futility that you see this was just a very common request. A lot of people seem to think that a modern compound vow could outperform heavy ancient bows. So it’s not a one-to-one but more just a replica of what people were asking for.

[@thorsforge2905]

I mean, razor broadheads are meant for piercing flesh, not wood or steel. For any kind of comparison you should have used either game hunting heads on the old bows or used target arrows which at least semi-replicate bodkin points.

[@dashrendar5320]

This was a first attempt and fore into modern vows, I just went to the archery shop and explained what I was trying to do and they said those were the toughest ones they had so obviously refinement is needed and a more powerful compound, but this was just a “basic” hunting setup for sure

[@docarts7649]

i did some testing with modern arrows against shields and a standart 6mm arrow with a fielt tip penetrates the best against the wood i had .... i have to say i used plywood with textile and epoxi in my test not historical at all but these where my resoults

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you for that. I know there are better tips out there I just was not sure what would be best

[@docarts7649]

@@dashrendar5320 still nice video as always 😋👍

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend! So glad you enjoyed it

[@manjitahzan9577]

I totally agree with you. Very satisfying.😂

[@dashrendar5320]

😁

[@jameslrbrand2002uk]

With the compound bow it also depends on the arrow shaft material looks like they're carbon fibre which is way they splinter or crack.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, I know they make much sturdier ones, but I didn’t want to spend a ton of money knowing I would break down maybe I will revisit later

[@Ember_EX]

Seeing the results of Misko's work on that horsebow I can safely say I will eventually upgrade from my #55 Tiron to a #80 Tiron or Despot from him when I have the strength. Best bowyer in the world fight me Joe Gibs. (j/k I love them both)

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahahaah they are both amazing 100% and yes it’s an amazing product no doubt

[@harveymiller4455]

You can put field point tip arrows thru 3/4 inch plywood with a 45 lb. compound pretty easily

[@dashrendar5320]

It is not my expertise for sure. When I went into the archery shop and explained what I was trying to do they said these were kind of the hardest strongest ones they had some sort of needle tip would be much better, but that would have to be custom

[@angela_merkeI]

I hope "Rambro" is a Broforce reference, but alas, I fear not.

[@dashrendar5320]

That was actually voted as the winner name in the community tab. However..Broforce is genuinely hilarious

[@General_Kenobi_212]

Legends say if a RamBro finds 2 other bros, they can unlock the Triforce of Action, and the one liners become too powerful to handle 😎💪🏹💥

[@johnjapuntich3306]

Would have liked to have seen the compound bow use field points on the arrows...Broad heads are specifically designed for soft targets ie flesh.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, I actually have three steel arrows and I was trying to figure a way how to fix a more solid tip onto them. Because I think the field points often times are just too light so I wanted something a little more mass but that would throw off the compoundtrajectory and weight. So I really need to customize something I think.

[@elacosasosa553]

srgains, alphabro and now rambro, Is this the beginning of the dashverse?😱, anyway great video men 👍, I always had that doubt about the modern bow and the ancient bow, but honestly I prefer the old school 💪🗿🏹,

[@dashrendar5320]

Thanks man. Yeah I love the old-school too. There’s no deny compound bows are more accurate and better for hunting, but not for war. Haha

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

As expected really, but nice to see it tested. Though I am curious how the composite arrow shafts sometimes used would fare from the modern bow - the nature of CF/Fibreglass is to not break or even deform very much till it fails rather explosively, so it might just do a little better than the thin wall metal tube arrows against armour if the impact is below that explosive range. Still going to be a light arrow, so not expecting vast difference but it would be interesting to see.

[@kingsway731]

Those heavy arrows have a lot more momentum. Speed will increase kinetic energy exponentially (mass× velocity squared). Thats being absorbed into the hard metal surface and dispersed.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, that’s the one thing. I don’t think people understand until they see it in action is how large the actual arrows and tips are for heavy bows

[@AppaGo420-rz5bz]

I miss archery since I blew out my shoulder. 14 moose kills, one with a 45 lb recurve and 13 with a 65 pound compound.

[@NicoHogenes]

You even gave the compound bow a very unfair advantage using modern sharp broadheads and still the warbow outperforms the compound. Told you this would be the outcome of such a test years ago. lol

[@RichardHardwood_]

Those arrows are designed for tissue damage, not penetration. He should of used similar arrows for all the bows.

[@NicoHogenes]

@@RichardHardwood_ he should use similar arrows to get more accurate test results. Something like 200 spine carbon shafts filled with salt to increase the arrow weight for the warbows with razorsharp broadheads would be nice to see

[@paulheberling2750]

I think if you used a compound with a 30” draw and 80lb limbs and an arrow about as heavy around 1000-1600 grains with a single bevel two blade broadhead, the results would be vastly different.

[@dashrendar5320]

I am sure you are correct. That would be a big investment for me to get all those specs though, this was a very “basic” compound setup

[@paulheberling2750]

@@dashrendar5320 agreed 👍

[@BossDoogles]

Apples to oranges. Are you comparing the bows, or the arrows, or the arrowheads, or all of it combined? You are comparing a hunting set up to a war set up. If you’re comparing the bows, your arrowheads should be essentially the same, broadheads are terrible at penetrating hard materials, they’re made to cut flesh and cause massive hemorrhaging. Modern fieldpoints would have been a better option at penetration into hard armor. If you really want to know what would be better, your war bows or modern hunting bows, chronograph the 2 setups and calculate the energy output. That energy output is what is going to lead to your armor penetration. All this video proved is why bodkin points were favored in war and broadheads were favored for hunting.

[@dashrendar5320]

This is simply a response to what a lot of people were saying during armor testing videos I have done saying a compound bow would perform better than a warbow. It’s just a broad arcing test to show why one is used for hunting and one is used for actually penetrating armor

[@BossDoogles]

@@dashrendar5320 I know. But that’s kind of my point. You didnt give people what they wanted since You didn’t exactly test the compound bow to the war bow. You tested broadhead vs bodkin. I was super excited to see the comparison bc I honestly have no idea which setup produces more energy down range. But I was disappointed to see you compare a shaving razor to a needle in its ability to poke holes in stuff. I know better and I am sure you do too but lots of people don’t. And they will take this as definitive proof of something that it doesn’t exactly represent.

[@johnraygun9868]

I agree with everything I’d just be curious to see a comparison with your bows and a new compound against a ballistics manikin or something to emulate a deer, it would be cool to see some of the old school hunting tips vs the new school beings the newer stuff didn’t have armor in mind when they were developed like the older stuff did

[@colbunkmust]

Just curious, have you tried shooting the medieval bodkins with the compound bow? Shooting a heavier than normal arrow shouldn't be an issue, unlike a lighter than normal one. I'm curious about the velocity difference between the two. Are the horsebow/longbow actually generating more KE or is the projectile better or both. I'm almost certain that the compound bow is more efficient at conserving the stored limb energy as it throws projectiles, but the significantly lower draw weigh is a big limiting factor.

[@dashrendar5320]

I would try it if it was my compound bow. But a friend let me borrow it, and I didn’t want to do anything that might hurt it because I would’ve felt terrible. Maybe one day if I get my own, I will try some thing like that, but I just imagine that increased mass and arrow length would really limit the speed.

[@TheGreenWelty]

I was definitely thinking Ashby arrows off of the compound not Twizzler sticks

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha small channel small budget…maybe one day, but the funds go to the traditional stuff

[@AbleDefenseUS]

Would you say the advantage of a compound bow is the ease-off at full pull, allowing more time for more precise aim? Would you say the common misconception from your viewers is that the compound bow somehow compounds the power of each shot to become a super-bow?

[@dashrendar5320]

100% it’s easier to aim, you can just kinda chill There . I think that the misconception is that it can loose arrows at a much faster rate therefore is just better. But just can’t push a lot of mass fast. Which warbows can do