Comanche Women | More BRUTAL than the Men

[@datesanddeadguys]

Thank you for watching! I have a few more videos planned on the Comanche before I wrap up the series. What stories would you like to hear next? Let me know here.

[@lolz6449]

Stories about the last ones to submit to the American government. Stories about the west taking hundreds of years for the whites to take.

[@adrianmorelos3471]

Thanks for the great content. I was going to recommend doing stories of natives in pre-columbian America. I think that would be interesting.

[@aryanprivilege9651]

Gross, nobody would ever say that below the rio grande/bravo. As if there are indigenous people in north anerica. Majority in places lived ismus highlands entire nation Bolivia Peru, Andes. 85 IQ hyper violent, savages practicing genocides on each other, not a wheel language writing or technology Stone Age. Not even horses. Killing thousand a day on temple dedications and eating the bodies. Collapsing there own hydro cycles and worlds in cycles. Truly apocalyptic, like Rama Nui Meso American. Other and over and over destroy ing their world. Fetishism is reverse racism based on foolishness and lies, it’s worse racism. Based in nothing but self loathing. Look up actual statistics of claimed partial native not that were first people were coming to American for ages even Polynesians.

[@pranc236]

Id like to hear about when the Choctaw and Chickasaw 1st moved to Indian territory and were being raided by the Caddo or maybe even the Comanche. Idk, i have only got one sided fragments of the story. Any stories of Native tribes told from their POV will get me listening. Great job

[@whaguitars]

I live in Pawnee county OK and would love to learn more about the Pawnee tribe.

[@SadieYak]

Hey! I'm a member of the Comanche nation, and I really appreciate you telling these stories. Sometimes it's hard to think about the things my ancestors went through and did to others, but I think it's important to keep telling the stories. I look forward to all your videos! For people calling me a pretendian because I look white - DNA combination can be a weird thing. But I'm Comanche, Quahadi band, last name Chebahtah.

[@datesanddeadguys]

Thank you! It was a rough world. Fascinating to think about.

[@xavierperez5124]

you are a white man 😭

[@HülaguHan63]

I can not see any Comanche at that photo ?!?

[@SadieYak]

@@HülaguHan63 Yeah, I look white. My mom is white. Everyone thinks my sister is Mexican because of how she looks. DNA can be weird.

[@SadieYak]

@@drgil65 it's called being racially mixed.

[@scottg62g]

I'm married to a Mexican woman born in El Paso. Pretty sure she's a Comanche at this point.

[@dennis1802]

Hahaha good luck my man! Now be the warrior 😉

[@TeeLocky]

🤣🤣🤣

[@frostyjim2633]

I think they all are

[@willieluncheonette5843]

lol

[@harveybirdman2674]

Run brother, run on a horse I tell u run

[@timothybrimm6299]

My wife is a direct decendant of Cynthia Ann Parker and very proud of her lineage ,so am I ,I am a fifth generational descendant of the "Bird"clan Cherokee and we love the stories about different native American nations !

[@wagonwheeldc]

I dont want to be Chief Elizabeth Warren but I was always under impression some Cherokee somehow in the family. White guy pro American unashamed proud deplorable. But might look up story on Bird Clan.

[@gailbird100]

Love Cynthia Ann Parker.

[@garnetjohnson763]

I'm a descendant of that same clan. Also a descendant of Chief Doubleheader and also Pocahontas.

[@karl_3885]

@@garnetjohnson763 I'm micky mouse :)

[@jamesfoster9256]

Cynthia Parker Foster came down with three brothers into Texas. One brother went into the Decatur area. The other brother went to East Texas and the oldest went to Louisiana. It was around the Oklahoma peters colony land Rush the two brothers split apart somewhere around Melissa and Anna, Texas there were a group of people that traveled with them. There were the parkers, the Fosters, the bakers and the Hills this group of people enter married each other, the Parkers and the Hills married one another, creating the Parkhills the Comancheria was a vast and powerful and singular tribes of Comanche, each having their own name throughout Texas. There were many many white women that were kidnapped into the tribe of the Comanche the one brother that went east claimed quite a bit of land all over a small town now called Greenwood, he was an Episcopalian preacher they were ran out of their land by the Comanches and quite a few people died years later they came back and died in Greenwood. Sidenote, I have found their gravesite and now will be buried there. Also my name should say enough and I also must say if you are possibly related to me, then you are related also through the women of the Fosters and

[@janbarstow]

My ancestor, Mary Gass, was captured by Indians as a child. She apparently was traded to another tribe further away. A fur trader with a tame bear told of seeing a white female captive in his travels up north. Mary was easy to spot because she was blond. The trader joined several others in a rescue team to go find her. The Indians knew the trader with his performing bear and that created enough of a ruse to distract them while the rescuers waited in the woods nearby. Eventually Mary (with the trader’s help) was able to wander away. She ended up marrying one of her rescuers and so continued my family line. The family story is that he let the Indians take turns riding the trained bear, and later the bear ran into the woods with Mary, but that part may be added for drama. It was a performing bear though, so who knows.

[@eyeswideopen7777]

Was your ancestor harmed

[@janbarstow]

@@eyeswideopen7777 Sold or traded to other tribes up north. She was blonde so stood out. That's how the fur trader was able to track her whereabouts, he had seen her during a recent trek up north. Mary Gass. She was currency to them, apparently traded several times. Fortunately none were Comanche. Tough woman. We know more about one of the men who rescued her, William Stuart, my ancestor.

[@eyeswideopen7777]

@@janbarstow was she abused

[@Citizen-xx]

@@eyeswideopen7777 so were you

[@johnsonandsons4]

Great video as always! I live smack dab in the middle of Comancheria, and you are correct. If you could go back in time, and find yourself in the middle of this place, and suddenly come across the tracks of many unshod ponies, you would head the opposite direction with great haste.

[@datesanddeadguys]

I have been in the woods before and come across bear tracks. You feel the hair on your spine raise. I can’t imagine living two hundred years ago when there was the threat of something like raid. Horrifying.

[@z-z-z-z]

close to Silverton, Tx?

[@johnsonandsons4]

@@z-z-z-z Wichita Falls.

[@stevefaulkner6689]

Probably still like that

[@itiswhatitis235]

something tells me i was born in the right place at the right time

[@datesanddeadguys]

If it were possible to go back in time, there is no amount of money you could give me that would put me back anywhere before 1900. We have it so easy today by comparison.

[@snocamo154]

Better medical and dental care. Just about all us southerners carry handguns, so most folks are better armed today.

[@Kmartinusa888]

Just hearing why the Comanche women kept their hair short…to limit the ticks and lice, only bathing in ceremonial rituals makes my skin crawl but in context this isn’t even a big deal. That alone reminded me that as a kid I’d often think that I’d like to go back and live in another era. But like @datesanddeadguys I’m probably not cut out for any period before 1900, maybe even later than that. Lice/ticks were the least of their problems but both make me nauseous. I’m an outdoorsman, always have been so I’m not bothered by stuff that might offend the sensibilities of others…I just have a problem with personal odors and especially with foreign invaders occupying one’s body in any way. Call me soft….it’s fine, probably appropriate. After being outside all day, particularly in the summer while wearing a polyester shirt, I often think…oh my God, is that what I smell like? Rancid. That’s why I rarely buy polyester shirts, I stick to bamboo which doesn’t smell bad…but after reading “Empire of the Summer Moon” and watching a number of these videos, rancid personal odors, bodily invaders and unthinkably awful hygiene were rarely mentioned but it had to have been common, just how it was. Add back how physically, mentally and personally demanding life was, children often dying of disease, seasonal climate/weather conditions, food (or lack of), the constant struggle to simply survive; stack the danger that was always present to some degree and finally consider the absolute lack of compassion and respect for life by some; the only way I’d want to be there is with modern gear, tools and weapons. And a few friends similarly equipped. Since that’s not possible I’m happy to read or watch and learn about life centuries ago and thank God I was born in this era. It really is amazing how little is known about the history of today’s United States. There are clues, artifacts, things that have and have yet to be found but unlike Europe and other civilizations, little is written or known about large parts of the country just a couple hundred years ago- the blink of an eye in time. As an absolute amateur, it appears that Indians didn’t exactly chronicle and save anything, unless drawing in the dirt with a stick counts. Like the game in which a message is passed through a group starting on one end, the message is inevitably screwed completely up by the time it reaches the last person. So it is with native history…word of mouth is all that is left covering decades, even centuries of civilizations. It’s remarkable to think of how many people lived in that era, how much happened that is unknown and unknowable…from battles to wars, from family histories to individuals who lived, worked, made it work for generations- stories that will never be told again. That…the unknown and unknowable is what makes seeing evidence of people- whether it is finding an arrowhead or other ancient tool, evidence of residences on the sides of cliffs, or a picture drawn or scratched on a rock or other hard surface so intriguing. I went hunting in NM last fall, my guide told me about one day, while hiking in the mountains of NM, he reached up and into a rock ledge and found a remarkable collection of stone tools and edges neatly piled, hidden for God only knows how long, I found this incredibly interesting. Who left it there? Where did they live? How did they live? Why did they never come back for what was clearly useful and valuable to them? What happened in the days after it was left there, what happened in the weeks and months preceding and following placement? Who were the people who left it there, what is their history, what were their lives like? The imagination is piqued every time something like this is found…what happened here? This part is nuts… he reported his find to a university professor, an archeologist…the man generally agreed to be the expert in these matters in NM (don’t ask me his name, I have no idea.) My friend had no reason to lie, nothing to be gained yet he reached out, even sent photos, simply to allow an expert the opportunity to listen, to investigate, learn, perhaps discover something of significance. Call it a favor because many or most never tell anyone what they’ve found or where for a variety of reasons. This “renowned expert” dismissed his find out of hand, claiming the find was impossible and refusing any further contact. One would think with the relative rarity of anyone taking the time to contact experts coupled with a willingness to show where he found it etc to at least illicit a tacit interest, maybe even a full on archeological investigation but for whatever reason that’s not what happened. This was just a few years ago, he’s still got his find and still knows exactly where he found it. Thank you for these videos, your stories are intriguing, worth my valuable time. Reminds me that storytelling, common in my grandparents and even parents early lives is an art, one that is today increasingly rare and therefore valuable.

[@ABW941]

The formless and enlightened entities of the 25th century are actually doing much better than we. They even have 5d-TV.

[@Serjo777]

@@Kmartinusa888 Your way of thinking about these things is very similar to mine. I also often think about the lives of random people of the past that I happen to find out about. Even those few that were actually well-known and even had books written about (or by) them are still mostly a mystery, since books, stories etc. only cover the most important events in those people's lives and leave out the rest which makes up over 99% of it. Always puts me in a melancholic mood when I think about how all those people's experiences/stories and memories are forever wiped out when they die, and nobody will be able to find anything out about them ever again. I find it quite depressing that everyone is limited to just his own life and experiences, without being able to experience the endless amount of things that other people experience, or to see things through their eyes etc.

[@judithcampbell1705]

I've only gotten into 2 fights for my entire life. I remember both of them even though they happened long ago. We were girls in school, grade 4-5. She called me a bad name so after school I found confronted her. We fought, I won, but a few years later I ran into her. We became friends. It's strange how things happen. Thank you 💛 for amazing video and great content!

[@datesanddeadguys]

Thanks for your story.

[@colonelfustercluck486]

Did anyone 'scalp' the other? Just asking....

[@Nervii_Champion]

​@colonelfustercluck486 I'm sure hair was pulled, I myself took advantage of my opponent having long hair when I got into my first fight when I was only 6 lol. I fought so many times after that too and even if I didn't have gloves on I wouldn't go for the hair. Mainly because I wasn't fighting for my life and because by the time I was 11 or 12 I understood honor enough to know not to use someone's hair against them and just fight fairly, it's not like I'm fighting to save my life.

[@brianmitchellfolk]

Great storytelling! Thank you again. I did have a fight with a bully when I was about 14 years old. After that, we became friends. It seems strange to me now but it has changed my behavior when it comes to bullies because I no longer respond with fear. It was a great lesson.

[@SoniCido]

This story needs to be published

[@chanceco.5653]

As a man of European heritage, these videos have opened my eyes to the fact that the cruelty, savagery, ect... wasn't all one sided like the Maryland school system taught me it was, Native Americans did their share too. .......ok, I'm ready for the nasty comments, bring it on.

[@CherokeeBird]

You are absolutely correct.

[@SoniCido]

Human nature knows no skin lol It's generated in the heart and culture...

[@elsiedoomhammer]

It's true. Truth can be the motivation as well as the goal and it justifies itself. I live in Washington and I've literally heard ppl say that Native Americans never "knew war" before white men showed up 🙄 It's funny how the insistence on using the term "humankind" is so very circumstantial 🤔 I doubt you'll find many of their type - by which I mean morons - in this comments section. If they were likely to watch videos presenting historical facts they wouldn't be so... Confused. My childhood was certainly no beacon of stability but I'll forever be grateful that I was raised by an intelligent woman who told me when I was being fed bs at school.

[@lynettevanrooyen6878]

You are speaking on behalf of Indigenous People ALL OVER THE WORLD! 👌💯

[@nathanielovaughn2145]

Truth

[@dylanlizardman2186]

I love this channel, the stories you tell feel so much more like a campfire retelling. Scary things Comanches did.

[@datesanddeadguys]

That’s the goal. Exactly how I want it to feel.

[@user-iq3qm4mc3u]

I had a friend that was a drug counselor. He said when a man got mad, he would break everything in the room. When a women got mad she would try and break everything on you.

[@SA-ey6nt]

Yeah sure sure, interestingly enough every crime and violence stats says otherwise. I would still take my chances with a woman. Whatever a woman has done to me wasn't worse than what men are easily capable of.

[@mirriulahmirriulah1319]

😅😅😅

[@ThatTaRaGiRL]

This is true... FAR more clever, in my humble opinion 😅

[@Mickster71]

Worked in a factory and saw the rivalry and pecking order amongst women... if you think women can be bad to men, see how they treat other women who step out of line.... NASTY😮

[@nathanielovaughn2145]

They were the downfall since the Garden.

[@ironmaiden4396]

@@nathanielovaughn2145 Kiss "THEY'S" A$$.

[@jasondalton-earls9972]

I'm from Australia & heard all my life women are a lot harder on other women than men are on men in prisons here. I'm thinking it's like that worldwide. Women are far meaner to other women to establish & control pecking orders in prisons than men are on men.....!

[@johnnyb8825]

@@nathanielovaughn2145 No that was the snake. 😉

[@johnnyb8825]

I have female friends who prefer male company for that reason.

[@nopessssks1894]

Another great episode. Really gave me some strong visuals. He really digs into the details of old accountings/reports during that time period and translates it into a modern, digestible language that leads to a great story.

[@Thecathunter]

Very good. I enjoy your store telling/videos very much. From what I can remember hearing my grandmother and the elders tell stories about when I was a child and a teenager your videos are very much spot on. Great research and presentation.

[@zakkziegler111]

So psyched to see a new upload! You've been keeping me majorly sated through a nasty flu, so thank you for the amazing content! Told all of my friends and family about your stuff too, you deserve way more of a following. Speaking of the actual content, I'll provide a story. I was a relatively small kid before I hit puberty, constantly getting into fights in grade school. Typical kid stuff. In sixth grade There was a kid who was constantly making remarks to me, trying to be tough. I told him if he wanted to be tough, we could figure it out after school. Which we did and didn't. He didn't have much interest in actually being hit in the face so he got his much (massively) larger friend to stand in for him. I literally had to jump to hit him in square the face, to which he responded by literally manhandling me and just pinning me to the ground. He maybe hit me once or twice on the ground with some glancing blows before it got broken up by a few adults that happened to be walking by. There were probably 25-30 kids all around to watch so that probably attracted some attention, so I'm glad it got broken up before I got my face absolutely broken. But the point is, the kid who stood in for his friend and I ended up being best friends for well over a decade after this, we still keep in touch until this day. He always said he respected the fact that I even stood my ground though there was zero chance of me actually getting the better of this dude, and ended up not sticking by his buddy so much after that, who was infinitely more my size but still afraid to back up his words when he knew something was going actually to happen. He ended up apologizing and feeling bad about the whole thing when we were more matured, but I never regretted it. I'm glad it worked out the way it did.

[@datesanddeadguys]

I love hearing that people are pumped to watch. Thank you for the story. Fighting is an experience that I think lends itself to people bonding. Even in a loss, just outperforming your limitations garners respect from people. Great to hear it made you a friend. I appreciate you sharing the channel. Goal is to keep it growing and that really helps.

[@raycope2086]

Fantastic documentary, my friend. I remember reading a book called " A Fate Worse han Death ", which I still own somewhere in my library, and it told in harrowing detail how many captives were treated by the Commanches. Thanks for what you are doing.

[@MikeS-um1nm]

I actually met my best friend, at Summer Camp. in 1969. Funny enough, the camp was Indian themed, with group names like The Pow wows, Braves and Chiefs. We were 9 years old and got into an argument when I was secretly balancing potato chips on his crew cut hair, during lunch. The other kids were laughing at him and he turned his head to see what was behind him and the chips fell off. He hit me. I hit back, and it was on! Two 9 year olds, trying to murder each other! The Councilors broke up the fight and wouldn't let us go swimming unless we agreed to be "buddies" (the Camp had a Buddy System, while fun swimming, for safety). We reluctantly agreed and by the end of a one hour Fun Swim, we became best friends for life. Sadly he has passed and I miss him more than I can tell. I know it's a far cry from the story in this video, but thought it was appropriate since the question WAS asked.

[@pasadiko401]

Sorry for your loss, only you know what you lost. It’s a cold a sometimes cruel world. 🙏

[@Barukh]

Finally! I really wish you'd upload more often. These are great before bed time. Cheers from Brazil!

[@datesanddeadguys]

No one wants me to upload more than me. Good news is that in the real world I am a school teacher and with summer coming up my schedule frees up quite a bit. Should be able to to get something out every 2 weeks or so from June-September….I hope. Thanks for watching! When I finish this series I have a plan to do a video on how the rubber boom is connected to Uncontacted tribes in the Amazon. Which is fun, since you are in Brazil.

[@Barukh]

@@datesanddeadguys Great, looking forward to it!

[@TheJefffry]

@@datesanddeadguys favourite channel. So fascinating

[@AdamGee8]

Cheers back from the US man. Doin the same thing up here lol

[@The_ZeroLine]

As almost every kid learns in school, fighting back always makes life easier than not. So, of course, the results of Rachel’s fights make complete sense.

[@adrianmorelos3471]

Thank you for your content. You're my favorite History channel on KZbin, wish I had you as a history teacher in school. Please make more.

[@datesanddeadguys]

Thank you and I’ll keep getting them out as fast as I can.

[@BSG0005]

Wow, just found ur channel. What an AMAZING storyteller u are!!

[@ntnsty]

Those fights b/n the women, and the respect they showed one another after, remind me greatly of my time on the high plains . . . in grade school.

[@anotheryoutubechannel4809]

😂👍💯

[@theCosmicQueen]

like i often say, it's still the Wild West in some places.

[@carleto9597]

Thanks for more of the updates of the Comanche's life. For maybe future video's can you do some Comanche tactics of war they used in fighting and also on horseback. Keep up the great video's, you do a very good job. Thanks

[@datesanddeadguys]

I did a video a couple months ago on what experiencing being raided by the Comanche was like. Some of that kind of information is there but my video on the 1861 Battle of Blanco Canyon is probably the best I have for something posted right now on the topic. My next two videos (unless I get distracted) also follow that kind of theme. I want to hit the other end of the pendulum. Instead of a story of what it was like to be attacked I want to do one that follows a war party and identifies the tactics and customs that went along with it. I will probably use the Elm Creek Raid as the attack to follow. After that I want to do a video on Jack Coffee Hayes and how his adoption of the Colt Revolver changes how Rangers could fight the Comanche. Both will hopefully do what you are looking for.

[@carleto9597]

Thanks for the reply, yes, I seen the other video's. I will be waiting for the all the next ones. I don't miss any of your great video's. Thanks again

[@davehooper5115]

That last paragraph you said sends shivers down your spine man

[@datesanddeadguys]

There is nothing in my life I have to compare it to. Terror and dread beyond what I can fathom. Part of the point was for it not to be over quickly. Treatment like that isn’t rare historically. Europeans famously broke people on the wheel and made theater out of long executions. The Vikings are famous for the “Blood Eagle.” I am sure you don’t have to go far back to find examples from nearly all cultures. I am grateful to live in America today.

[@terrydanks]

@@datesanddeadguys Lynchings in the American south were sometimes as bad as anything that can be imagined.

[@liou071]

@@datesanddeadguys Actually blood eagle is a myth fabricated by a poet from the middle age who mis translated a poem from viking times. There are zero evidence of blood eagle being a real thing. No doubt vikings were gruesome in other ways though

[@johndudleywillis9003]

Excellent. I am a PHD historian in other subjects, but YOU did a great job here! John Dudley Willis in Kentucky

[@ACR-iu4sk]

Thanks. I enjoy your show. Perhaps you could credit the Artists so we could get a print or learn more about them. The Artwork in the video is high-quality viewing and truly adds to the story.

[@toga1022]

Ancestor was a Texas Ranger . . .story goes, no prisoners . . .ever

[@Xycvxfy]

Actually they kept children old enough to care for themselves, but not too old that they wouldn't accept the change in tribe/lifestyle. They did this to keep their tribe numbers up.

[@chingonbass]

so your ancestor was part of the original LGBT group.

[@ThatTaRaGiRL]

​@@XycvxfyOBVIOUSLY natives took prisoners 😂 I think he was referring to his Texas ancestor 👀😅

[@rctube1958]

Real history is much more interesting than the fables we're told.

[@MGAF688]

Narratives are intended to conceal "harsh" truth.

[@Utoobeedoo]

Your presentations are very listenable! I often steer away from lengthy videos for being boring and redundant, but yours are anything but. I’m a life long history buff, and greatly appreciate your contribution to the learning experience.

[@aurelalee7246]

Great video...isn`t this similar to the story told in "Dances with Wolves" of how "Stands with a Fist" got her name?

[@cmcapps1963]

Interesting. In the film the tribe is Lakota but in the book they are Commanche.

[@jameswest4819]

Having Amerindian on both sides of my family, I am constantly reminded by these stories and from other people with Amerindian ancestors, why these people could not win their wars against the European Immigrants. They were too busy killing each other.

[@angelaharris53]

Honestly, had European diseases not been so deadly, things might have been very different. It was just bad luck that the Old World was set up to breed such nasty diseases where the New World really didn't.

[@keepingthefaith9041]

remember our history is not what we are told. There were people here long before the American Indians came. There are buildings that can Not be recreated to this day by modern man. ( modern man being 17??-2024) We know they had electricity, with electric bikes/cars in the early 18??. We seen the pictures & movie pictures, but yet after the reset in the 18??. Man kind was made to go back to horse & buggy. In fact horse & wagons were still used till the 1940's. My father told me that is what they used till get a car. Interesting huh? Oh don't forget a find archeology found between WA & Canada. A village of white man, with other bones mixed in. & they think it's some of the oldest bones ever found. To date. 😊

[@TSUNAMICali]

Like the 6 Arab tribes fighting each other 6 days a week. The 7th day they get whumped by the Isreali. 😂😊

[@theCosmicQueen]

well, God also factors in. He just has His will and it will always prevail. He also keeps removing certain people who are just too violent or too bad for His taste onthe earth. Any kind of people. Europe also was wild and violent before christianity as well. He's always removing some and leaving the others who will be better kids for Him and behave better. We are all the remnant of something that came before. it's an ongoing process from the beginning of humans til now.

[@ludmillaannaovna]

Valuable conclusion. Like you I also had the answer of my old question. Why did God permitted Indians to be defeated ? Justice.

[@Buff247]

My great grandfather was Comanche from New Mexico.

[@lindsaymcpherson4744]

These stories are very enlightening But in Australia, these violent tribal stories are never told ,but did happen as written in many early settlers journals

[@michaels4255]

Someone should research those journals and put the stories in a book. We should preserve these stories for posterity. Too many people today imagine Rousseau's "noble savages" were all living in irenic utopian bliss until the mean old Europeans introduced sin into their garden.

[@theCosmicQueen]

that needs to come out on youtube.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

Thank you for your openness to be honest about the brutality that wasn’t solely limited to White/European Settlers, painting all Native Americans as poor victims! They, we were far from it. I’m part Native American Iroquois to be exact and I’ve always been aware of the truth within my ancestors history on both sides! Unfortunately females today are more likely to hold a grudge especially against a rival female! Whereas males typically fight for respect earned. I was different in my way of thinking and I myself never reaching past the height of 5ft was often underestimated in a fight! However I always gave the other female her props for holding her own or getting the better of me!

[@TacitusR]

Nearly all primitive societies place the the role of torturer in the hands of its women because they are the more brutal practitioners of torture. This policy is common across numerous cultures so it must be revealing something universal about female nature. It would make for an interesting subject of research but very unlikely that research grants for such a study would be possible to obtain.

[@johnboehmer6683]

Well, we know women are more emotional in general. We know they struggle with bitterness and unforgiveness more than men. Easier to injure in their spirit, so easier to get to a place of extreme cruelty. There, millions of dollars in research saved, never mind the study, you're welcome!😁 Kidding, of course

[@lightworker2956]

Interesting point. I guess it makes some kind of biological sense: - foreign men are potential murderers and rapists and are a threat, and obviously women are more vulnerable than men are, and obviously some women are attacked by foreign men. Hence, a reason for women to torture those men. - foreign women are romantic competitors, i.e. her husband might adopt a female captive as a second wife. Meanwhile for men: - the biological imperative is obviously to mate with foreign women, rather than torture them - as for other men... I don't doubt that men tortured men, but really you can also just murder foreign men and be done with it. Also, men generally don't fear foreign men raping them, unlike women. And men can defend themselves from foreign men better and thus don't feel so vulnerable. Something like that, I would guess.

[@charlotteclaire2032]

The torturers in Europe were men. Very creative and inventive with the machines. The stories of the witchcraft trials are nightmarish. I am also familiar with most middle eastern cultures and China, and it was mostly men. That said, some of the unofficial participants might have been women and I have heard about Afghans. Not sure how you'd carry out a "study." Aside from official records from Europe and Asia, it's anecdotal. But your dream of making women not only as bad but worse is an old penchant, and you can find plenty of cherries to pick. Still if women were so badass why didn't men just sit back and let them take care of business.

[@TacitusR]

@@charlotteclaire2032 , I said primitive societies, apparently you missed that.

[@charlottekey8856]

@@TacitusR Because I don't think you are limiting your opinion to just "primitive" Men should have been cowering in their tents for all time if the gals were so badass. Yours is much same whine and soul-sucking perspective as the feminists concerning male cruelty; well documented, but not much context or real statistics. No perspective. One thing both sexes are good at is finding evil in our "opposites' e they sex, race, nation, religion, and cherry picking away. God knows there are plenty of cherries.

[@BIG-DIPPER-56]

Thanks for telling it like it was! 😎👍

[@stephaniemurphy4390]

I just found this channel and believe it’s my new favorite. Thanks for sharing!

[@wyrickb]

I have always heard stories about how they broke/trained horses and wondered if it was true. Maybe you could weave that in one of the stories?

[@datesanddeadguys]

It’s not a lot of information, but there is an excerpt I read in Empire of the Summer Moon on the Comanche breaking horses. It goes as follows: “…observers were amazed at the Comanche technique of breaking horses. A Comanche would lasso a wild horse, then tighten the noose, choking the horse and driving it to the ground. When it seemed as if the horse was nearly dead, the choking lariat was slacked. The horse finally rose, trembling and in a full lather. Its captor gently stroked its nose, ears, and forehead, then put his mouth over the horse’s nostrils and blew air into its nose. The Indian would then throw a thong around the now-gentled horse’s lower jaw, mount up, and ride away.” Their abilities with horses were just unfathomable. When I do videos like this I would love to talk about this stuff more. I feel obligated to provide context as if people have only ever watched this one video but try to keep it brief so people don’t get annoyed. Maybe I am wrong but I do wonder if people who have watched this series get annoyed when I retread ground like Comanche horsemanship.

[@elishh8173]

That's not a good way to "break" a horse. Their poor horses must have suffered so much.

[@richardhudson9291]

On Warm Springs Res many wild horses. Mustangs bred with army horses. Sone from the Buffalo soldiers. Larger. Very tough. Run the lava beds, keeps hooves ‘trimmed’. Only catch before spring when they are at weakest. Still only catch a small percentage in the wing traps that funnel to a corral. Tie to a tree. Approach them to choke themselves down trying to get away. Revive them. Goes on a bit. Put a bucket of water just out of reach for a while. Give a little water. Wade in with a piece of chain tied to a rope a few times. “Break” them. Then start riding. Never saw the horses love their owners. Just tolerate them. Took many months to years before every mounting up quit being a mini rodeo. Was fortunate enough to be included in horse drives and rides. Only because of my friendship with the Baptist Home Missionary , Allen Elston, who served there many years.

[@Ejtan]

Your content is absolute gold

[@christophersmith7714]

During my youth I had a few fights and times when I had to warn others that what they were doing would get their face rearranged if the continued with disrespecting me. The result was we shook hands and became friends. Some people need to be told there is a line you don't cross.

[@MickeyP-h9p]

As part Anishinaabe from northern Minnesota I can appreciate your stories. We often saw or were involved in fights. It was a central part of establishing yourself.

[@PalofGrrr]

Gee I was told they were all just singing about the color of the wind...

[@HLStrickland]

They just walked off into the sunset singing kumbaya.

[@mattreames3356]

One of my favorite channels! The research and storytelling is amazing.

[@michaelmccaffety3131]

Fantastic video, please keep up the great work!

[@michaelparker7831]

I just happened to find this channel. It caught my eye today because I love American history. From its initial roots from the Mayflower to current. I enjoyed this video because it spells out the unmitigated truth from both sides. Early American history is especially wrought with cruelty and savagery from both sides. If you truly want to know a truly Objective source of American history then you must read Allan W. Eckert’s “The Winning of America” series. Eckert is probably the best and most trusted source of American History than any other. Everything he puts to paper is absolutely True. Why? Because his narrative comes for sources of fact. No historian has done as much research as Eckert. There is not a single word or sentence, in any of his books, which expresses opinion, conjecture, or tendency to flatter or dehumanize in a biased manner. He writes the truth and nothing but the truth. Everything is referenced beautifully from page to page. There is no need to search for a reference somewhere in the back of his books. The references are always at the bottom of the page being read. If you love American History and have not read Eckert then you are in for the ride of your life. Nothing even comes close. For those of you who have no real interest in American History, then I challenge you to read the first book of (4) within this series. You will never see the American landscape, from coast to coast, the same way ever again.

[@rfc-dl4qb]

It continues to amaze me how we portray American Indians as gentle, mystic and caring cultures. On the Contrary.

[@ronallens6204]

A majority of the indians were canables... and there were no plains indians before the horse

[@axhed]

if you only focus on the negative, no society would qualify as 'kind'

[@ronallens6204]

@axhed really ? So it doesnt matter if they are canables so long as they are nice to their kids ?

[@axhed]

@@ronallens6204 it doesn't matter if they're *not* cannibals if they send their kids into mines and dangerous factories. see? ever society can have fingers pointed at it.

[@ronallens6204]

@axhed the big draw for many whites and one of the roots of their problems is the indian motto "you cannot tell any man what to do" with that as a guiding light to indian ways, its no wonder they could take another mans wife and it did not matter to the whole, only between the thief and the victim.. the tribe could hold a council to 'try' a murderer, and find him not guilty, a family member could walk up and kill him outright and nothing else happen... the women can be raped and its no crime because u cant tell a man what to do or not do... that is the indian way

[@joejones9520]

helps explain why none of them have ever chosen to go back to the old ways...

[@SamscrewuGaming]

Story of a fight that changed thing for the better: Back in high school there was a guy who had a crush on my at the time girlfriend. He constantly made passes about her to me it all boiled down to one day he grabbed her butt. Him and I got into an argument, proceeded to throw some hands, we both got some good punches in but being in high school most of them were body shots and didn't really do anything. One punch to his nose ended the whole thing. After that he apologized to me and my girlfriend, her and I broke up shortly after and the guy got into a fight with became religious and ended up becoming a deacon...

[@benhenningburk9781]

This is so far from the Hollywood noble savage myth one can get.

[@568843daw]

The video is very very accurate. The Native American’s warred among themselves often. It was not uncommon for one tribe to murder an entire village of their competitors if they wanted land or food. So when settlers came, and the tribe did not like them, they would eliminate that family. Trouble was, there were enough settlers who could write these ghastly experiences down and pass them on. Hence the records that were kept meant evidence of this brutality or method of barter and so forth. You might be interested to know that settlers often bought land from the natives and did not steal it as Hollywood would have us believe. Since money was an unusual commodity for settlers and Indians alike in the early days, the barter system was the usual mode of fair exchange. Hence trading cattle, sheep, crops etc was the currency. Yes, blankets, gunpowder, firearms were part of that system too. Barter is still used today. Anyway, if you go to any state archives, you can find accounts of the Native American/settler interactions.

[@SoniCido]

@@568843daw Law and Order came in and that was the end of the warring lol

[@arcotroll8530]

That myth has been rejected in public consciousness ages ago at any rate.

[@theCosmicQueen]

there were a few of those friendly nice ones as well.

[@Demac137]

Nobody really thinks that, the much more wide spread belief for much longer was that Natives were sub humans and bloodthirsty.

[@thomasgumersell9607]

A very interesting video on the life of the Comanche. Truly they had their own rules they lived by. A very proud first people who were so gifted horse back. ,💪🏻🙏🏻✨

[@randallcampbell510]

Thank you once again. You do such a good job of this.

[@phily8716]

As a kid I made a few good friends after having fights with them. Some I won, some I lost, but respect was established which allowed a friendship to form.

[@Kenneth-p1b]

I wonder if historically their contact with the Spanish Conquistadores made their treatment of whites so brutally, viciously cruel? As were the Spaniards..

[@phily8716]

@@Kenneth-p1b Apparently it did. That and the Apaches absolutely bullied them. It was actually Spanish horses that escaped, which the commanches learned to ride. Empire of the Summer Moon is an incredible book if you're into reading. I listened to it on audio though because I'm lazy haha

[@slidethru468]

Always impressed by REAL history. I'm grateful I randomly ran into this channel

[@caroldry9262]

I have the greatest respect for the native Americans. I have Cherokee blood from my father and he was the best man and father. He talked about his mother and brushing her long black hair.

[@theCosmicQueen]

Cherokee were called one of the 5 Civilized Tribes in the old days, because they weren't like these savage terrorists. And many took to Christiantiy readily.

[@harridan.]

​​​@@theCosmicQueenAnd when the church got through, they traded their beads for bottles; smashed on railway avenue and they lost some link with nature.....Joni Mitchell

[@davo2587]

@@harridan. Everything you learned about the native Americans you learned from Hollywood, who gives a d**m what Joni mitchell thinks.

[@suryahitam3588]

I've heard that the Cherokees invented their own script about 200 years ago, and had a newspaper in their own language written in this script. I wonder if it is still in use.

[@jimmysblacksmithing462]

Hey, great presentation thank you so much for the education. Look forward to more keep up the great work stay well have a beautiful day.

[@k9ine999]

Scary. I guess it made them feared, but it also made them even more likely to be killed. I'm glad I don't live that time.

[@datesanddeadguys]

Absolutely. I mention it in the video but it was official policy on punitive expeditions to treat the women in the camps as hostiles. One thing I don’t mention is how on some larger warparties women would tag along as logistical support. They would assist in reloading rifles and sometimes lay down cover fire in the event of strategic retreat. These women were very dangerous to Comanche enemies.

[@k9ine999]

@@datesanddeadguys So it wasn't just white soldiers slaughtering the women out of cruelty, they were threats. Never knew that.

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

Quite the opposite. They established the ultimate FAFO culture.

[@michaels4255]

@@datesanddeadguys It makes one appreciate civilization, and religious creeds like Christianity with universal ethical systems.

[@terrylandess6072]

It's amazing how much 'slavery' has played a part in human history - openly until quite recently. 'Incarcerated' servitude under pain of death sounds like a good description.

[@datesanddeadguys]

It’s everywhere and more recent than most people think.

[@Nystariii]

Agreed. Many nations, from all across the world, have dabbled in slavery, and it has shaped us as a society not to tolerate it. Except for those who feel that slavery (of others) would benefit them. But those people aren't really tolerated in society, for good reason.

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

And has had varying forms. Slavery in traditional societies is vastly different from that of the antebellum south.

[@Lightning613]

As recent as 2017, slaves are still being auctioned in public in Libya. . . .

[@shaftlamer]

You're obviously totally clueless about slavery. Slavery is alive and well in the Muslim world. Just check Mozambique

[@Kell-ic7yn]

I never knew this. Thanks for sharing

[@danieldonegan6914]

Wasn’t Matilda Lockhart’s little sister one of the prisoners who was tortured to death? From my understanding, she was very young and skinned alive. When the Comanche were called savages, it’s quite accurate.

[@theCosmicQueen]

yes, there were definite reasons from t he start, why they were called that. Sauvage in french, also means wild or living in nature.

[@Demac137]

Probably as BS story someone made up used to justify racism, most stories against natives were

[@michaelmcgowen1504]

My grandmother's grandfather left Pennsylvania in 1831 and traveled to Texas and fought the Comanche and the Union lived to 113 years.

[@michaelhughes838]

I'm part Cherokee but I appreciate all videos no matter the people

[@williammartin-howell3565]

Absolutely nobody, native or white, was sad when the Comanche were finally conquered out of Texas

[@theCosmicQueen]

it appears that the US army, Texas Rangers etc were needed to subdue the worst most violent ones.

[@RockinGrandma]

The Comanche were.

[@chico9805]

​@@RockinGrandma The Comanche weren't people, that their opinion should matter.

[@rt3box6tx74]

​@RockinGrandma They chose to remain savages, true to their tribal ways. They sought out and attacked anyone they stumbled across (European or indigenous) in or near their territory, which varied by season. It's a basic principle, the savage always loses because he can't comprehend what he's fighting. The Lakota were very wise, able to grasp this concept earlier than some. A Lakota friend sent me links to read writings of a few wise chiefs who understood that they couldn't win fighting modern weapons and overwhelming numbers of the westward expansion. They accepted change and many assimilated gracefully. He only shared his story with me after an acquaintance of five years. He knew two of my mom's aunts married Lakotas at the turn of the twentieth century. I sent him professional photos of their engagements that ran in the local papers before the marriages. These relatives of mine weren't poor, blue-collar white trash. In our family stash of unidentified relatives there are pictures of their beautifully dressed children at different stages of childhood, as well as pictures of the parents as they aged. It's clear they assimilated gracefully settling in North Texas. Their family name was Hamilton. My own great grandmother married a blue-eyed man named Sweazea who came to southern OK for the land rush. They established themselves as horse breeders and moved on to the TX Panhandle to homestead again later after Quanah Parker declared victory and quit the fight. Some of the land they acquired as they grew their cattle operation is still owned in our family. I'm fourth generation, and legacy land ownership averages three generations so I don't hold much expectation that my grand daughters will hold onto the land past 150 yrs unless one of them marries a kid with ranching flowing through his veins. Once the land is sold off the money is gone within two decades.

[@johnruetz3849]

Back in the late 1970's , on of the prettiest girls I ever saw was a Comanche waitress at a truck stop. She had beautiful long black hair.

[@samtatge8299]

I read that in the east in the 1600’s the European priests and explorers referred to the women as the mules of the tribe due to the treatment by the men. The women also were the torturers. Their zeal and cruelty was driven by the bitterness and anger they had for the world due to the treatment they endured. This is from Francis Parkman’s account circa 1841. A must read.

[@mfawls9624]

Haha! Nothing's changed.

[@reachingcoldmountainbeforeyou]

I recently dated/was engaged to a Full Native man, he always called me his 'muscles' and gave me big tasks to do alone, like moving my rv out of storage to two hundred miles away. He never did anything to help, he would go to work and come home to be catered to. The last straw was when he BEAT me.

[@colonelfustercluck486]

@@reachingcoldmountainbeforeyou and then he would want to f**k. That's foreplay.

[@theCosmicQueen]

@@reachingcoldmountainbeforeyou yes, and some mideastern men are similar. won't lift a finger to carry anything heavy for even a disabled or sick woman.

[@Larunart]

@@reachingcoldmountainbeforeyou happy to hear that you seem to be out of that situation… nobody deserves that kind of treatment. Especially not from a partner

[@shelbysittig1047]

My Scottish ancestors came to the tribes of the Potomac and married into the tribes. Together they fought against the tribes enemies both domestic and foreign. I have Cherokee ancestors. It was not uncommon for them to butcher the bodies of the colonists sending the body parts down the rivers as they placed the heart to the leaders of the next colony. I’ve never been under the disillusion that my ancestors were some peace loving tribes that got along with everyone. I guess it’s the historian of my father as a French and Indian War and Revolutionary War historical narratist that set me apart from the regular history classes. Human doesn’t change because of demographics or skin color or culture but through Jesus Christ, alone. Keep telling the story of those who can’t.

[@carolinalonewolf9445]

Love your vids. I have a horse I named Quanah......after Quanah Parker. The mother of my horse was captured at around 5 months old from a band of wild BLM mustangs in Wyoming. I adopted her shortly after and she's now 23 years old. She's the best horse I've ever owned. I bred her to a Registered Quarter horse stud and she gave me Quanah. I named him that because he is part of two worlds, just as Quanah Parker had said of himself when he took his mothers last name. I think that would be an interesting video for you to do. The story behind Quanah Parker, his name and his history. Perhaps you already have done such and I just haven't seen it. If not, I hope you will consider it. Great job on your channel. God bless.

[@iamrichrocker]

any and all stories i want to hear..just incredible the life they led..their laws..their customs are not for me to judge..but to learn from..thanks

[@kylestoops1787]

Can you cover more on the Iroquois tribes?

[@datesanddeadguys]

On a long enough timeline, yes. I would love to. What story from the Iroquois would you like to hear?

[@kylestoops1787]

Anything with the Michigan tribes I don't know to much about them

[@datesanddeadguys]

@kylestoops1787 I have wanted to read up on the Beaver Wars.

[@RedEdgedSavage]

​@datesanddeadguys . Didn't Michigan have Sauk and fox..Illinois alliance? I'm waiting for Seminole wars

[@stephen8433]

@@datesanddeadguys Shawnee

[@tintindb]

I felt sorry for you, narrator. You didn't look comfortable telling us some of this history. I commend you for your courage.

[@ReadyDaddy]

what the f.... talking about history requires courage? are you ok? grow a backbone please

[@isitoveryet9525]

The way he’s trying to pretend the women terrorizing one another was a good thing, & helped form structure was craZzzzy 😂

[@Thereisnospoonknifeorfork]

I have never took pleasure in the mistreatment of others. Having fought all over the middle east my mind, motivation and attitude has not changed. Then i read empire of the summer moon and realised that in a nature Vs nurture deal, it's mostly nurture which defines us and had I grown up Comanche I'd likely be a psychopath. Albeit sadly a more acceptable one due to the nature of tribal America at that time. These stories are wild. Thanks for telling them.

[@shanasmith4176]

I love hearin these stories of the history of the Native Tribes. I have great respect for all Native Tribes. I have Cherokee blood from my mama's side would love to see more of your videos

[@robertkrump2015]

This is not unusual.This is exactly how bullies operate.If you woop the bully then he's your friend, for life: Anyone that understands? Human nature ought to realize that

[@theCosmicQueen]

not always true ! but you do earn thier respect. Some try to cry victim.

[@jaymeseifert7432]

Do you have any stories on the Paiute? My grandpa is part northern Paiute, but he and my grandma grew up around Blackfoot and crow. I’d be very interested in hearing more about any history of those tribes.

[@shaylow988]

What brilliant content! Thank you so much for this raw and undiluted truth!!

[@lorilove4706]

Great informative stories. I have always been interested in history!.

[@lagodifuoco313]

The Chino Sinners girl gang in Southern California is more feared than most of the male gangs in the area.

[@Ese361]

Sounds like a Mexican gang

[@DocSanders]

This is a highly accurate presentation of what I know to be true. Thank for the insight and the effort.

[@eclecticcompass]

One of my great-great grandmothers was a Comanche. I now understand my great-grandfather's attitudes about life much better.

[@nigelhildyard3490]

For people that inflict pain and misery onto other, the karma can be immense

[@oldscout7]

Hey THANKS for sharing all of this. AWESOME paintings!!! Savagery continues to this day...different people...different methods, but our violent nature seems to persist. A pity.😞

[@frank-rk5sq]

These stories are gruesome and horrifying beyond belief. How did the Comanches compare with the Cherokees in treatment of captives?

[@datesanddeadguys]

One big commonality is that they both liked to use fire.

[@anitadesmarais4467]

Hi, I love your videos, and I am fascinated by the Commanche tribes.....and always have been. Could you please tell me the name of the 1st book which was written by Rachel Parker, as I would love to purchase it........thanks

[@goofydog2]

What strikes me, especially when you said the men were short, the women even shorter. You prefaced this saying the Comanche Indian didn't make their name being the largest and most powerful. But of course, as you well know, the Comanche terrified other Indians on the plains. Whites speak of the Apache and tremble in the thought. The Comanche chased the Apache from their homelands into S. Ariz and New Mexico try to hide from the Comanche. All the tribes were cautious of them, even their accepted cousin-tribes. The one detail about the Comanche in my thoughts was of course what they could do on horseback! One detail they trained early on was the ability to run their horse full speed and literally scoop up a fallen member of their tribe. Even those incapacitated. And they trained in doing this as children, running smaller ponies up to staged fallen child and hoisting them up. I believe their horses were quite small all around. Sorry, long winded today...

[@ikengmira7576]

They are native AMERICAN

[@JulieBorges-l4z]

@@ikengmira7576 depends which 1st people you talk to. Indigenous, native , first people and yes some prefer the word Indian. Or you can always just call them by their first name.

[@jdbsink]

I'm Australian as a young man I went to prison. Being white blonde the yards were full of indigenous Currie lads who harassed n bullied me until I fought one long and nasty ...afterwards I could trust him and his mates with my life...

[@michaels4255]

@@ikengmira7576 The ones I have known normally used the word Indian, unless they had gone to college where they were instructed by white, liberal professors to insist on "Native American." But the average, everyday Indian has no problem with the word Indian in my experience. BTW, if you read works from a hundred years ago, "native American" was normally assumed to mean a native born white American. Indians back then were still not American citizens but citizens of their tribes, dual citizenship being illegal until Congress made an exception for citizens of Indian tribes in the 1930s; I think that change was part of the Indian Reorganization Act.

[@nancytipton7602]

​@@JulieBorges-l4zI fully agree with you, and I speak as one who's own biological father was fully Indigenous Comanche and Abenaki (weird backstory around how my Abenaki grandfather from Maine wound up in Texas and married to my Comanche grandmother, but I digress). First of all; we are NOT from the Indian Subcontinent! Native, yes. To THESE 2 continents, isthmus, and many islands. However, Indigenous implies so much more. As in, the original inhabitants of a land or region, whereas Native implies that we have been here since the beginning of the human race's existence. As for our supposed "short stature", I don't know, as my own father was 6'2", fought for the US military in the Korean War. I doubt that he would have been considered to be of "short stature"! My grandmother was reportedly a petite lady of around 5'3".

[@richardbarrow4620]

My uncle Harry was 100% Comanche. Harry was the nicest guy. When he passed he was buried in his Boy Scout uniform. Love you, miss you.

[@brianhudgins990]

Utterly fantastic video.

[@datesanddeadguys]

I appreciate that. Thank you.

[@GASMan-57]

I clicked on this vid because it rang a bell for me. I always remembered that in the late 70s, my Anthropology Prof at EWU (Dr. Ross) mentioned in one of his Ethnology lectures, that the Native American tribes would usually leave the torture up to the women. Can’t remember if he mentioned a tribe or just stated Plains Indians, etc. But the concept stuck with me. Certainly a different notion on “Women’s Work”

[@stephenorozco6559]

As a young boy ( 14 years ) i had lived in three boys homes---the result of my parent's divorce.. I was small in stature ( 5' 4" ), about 115 lbs. in weight. One day, after swim session, I was rinsing off when a new kid came into the shower room. He was about six to eight inches tall than me, and outweighed by about 25 to 39 pounds. He was also a bully. As i was showering, I had my back to him, and he walked over and shut the cold water off. I got angry and walked over to him and warned him not to ever do that again. He laughed and walked away. I continued showering, when all of a sudden the scene repeated itself. I looked over, and the bully was laughing again. I walked over to him and punched with about 4 or 5 quick chops to the nose, before he knew what was happening. He never bothered me again; and, we later became good friends.

[@Buff247]

Cool story bro 😂😂😂

[@m.g.6394]

He actually bent you over and clapped your cheeks Don't lie

[@theCosmicQueen]

ah yes, the elements of surprise and speed, very effective on bullies,i know about that.

[@torreyintahoe]

I love your content. Seems very well researched and accurate.

[@568843daw]

This is an interesting overview. My understanding is that Comanche were uprooted and displaced by the Shoshoni tribe itself. In their sojourn into the barren wilderness, the Comanche (aka “the People”) ended up, with the miracle of horses, stealing the territory of the Apache and driving them off by use of murder, slaughter, and torture. They were the”Borg” of the country side. Nobody was safe when the Comanche was near. Thankfully, the US Army finally adopted the very tactics of that ruthless tribe which enabled us to subdue them. Before this change of philosophy, the US Army, and settlers were loosing at every turn.

[@michaels4255]

It's a scary thought that this kind of cruelty would give one an advantage in inter tribal competition. What kind of personality would thrive socially (and reproductively) in such a culture? What kind of traits or behavioral tendencies would tend to be passed on to each succeeding generation? One of the most amazing discoveries of the last 40 years is how heritable human personality and attitudes are. Public opinion, public policies, and the social sciences still have not reconciled themselves to the significance of these discoveries. For example, what is the significance of the fact that convicted felons in England and Sweden have been discovered to have double the fertility of the general population? How might bending the genetic twig in that direction eventually transform our societies?

[@ronallens6204]

@@michaels4255 the higher fertility may be due to the higher testosterone levels that pushes more viloence behavior.. without self control they become outcasts of society... a teacher once said every society with a well trained army in history had to keep expanding because the soldiers no longer could fit into society. Indians were just advanced gang warfare not to mention and less spoken canableism they enguaged in. Exterminating an enemy was always a viable option and much of their elitism was a result if it. A linguist did a study and found links to their origins, and like some headhunters in south america, were polineasian in their language which kept them isolated, unable to communicate with those around them.

[@atibakojo3478]

​@@ronallens6204absolutely hilarious lol what but I guess u are a European person lol

[@JJJJJJJJJJ124]

And exactly why do you think this is a badge of honor?

[@ronallens6204]

@@JJJJJJJJJJ124 because it is now ours by right of conquest, its the indian way, winner take all

[@jonnyblomberg]

Thank you for this werry interesting story. Tragic but good to know . Thanks.

[@Procopius464]

Given how brutal some of these Amerindian groups were, the US Government was remarkably restrained in their response. The way they teach history in public school is always to paint the Amerindians as innocent victims, but once you have the full context that's not at all the case.

[@gizzmowalliss]

I suppose your right, but I don’t think you would be saying this if it was your culture, your land your family, your food, your very way of existing being taken over by people who believe they were better than you.

[@gizzmowalliss]

But given how the world is going no you or your children might find out if Russia continues its war with Ukrainian and wins and keeps going, if the Middle East continues its war and expanse from other countries not to mention china. If such a thing happens and you see all that you believe in crumble to nothing you might understand. But that’s just one way of looking at it on the other hand there were a few Indian tribes that were brutal even to other Indians.

[@NightTrekker-d1s]

This was fascinating. Well worth the listen.

[@estern001]

I wonder what it looked like for the Planes People before the horse was introduced?

[@datesanddeadguys]

I was actually reading about this the other day. Obviously, a really short version but it is likely that the plains tribes still viewed the buffalo territory as the best place to be. Hunting then would have looked different. On horseback, riders could run along side the buffalo and hit them with their arrows or lances. On foot it was trickier. There are examples of cliffs being used to run buffalo over. Hundreds may have died at a time. It would have been very wasteful as the meat would spoil far before it could ever be used. There would be far too many pelts to process. But those successful hunts would lead to times of plenty. The horse changed everything.

[@alxra]

@@datesanddeadguys This is true. You'd laugh at the apologists and the excuses they'll make for a lot of these behaviors. I've read people saying the buffalo runs were GOOD because it provided food for all the other animals in the area.

[@datesanddeadguys]

I suppose if you were a wolf in the area you would appreciate the carrion. One aspect of Buffalo runs that is super neat is spontaneous combustion. Something to do with the decay would sometimes lead to the rotting bodies to catch fire and there are cliffs with scorch marks to this day. Would have been something to see. Smell probably wasn’t great.

[@Serjo777]

@@alxra You don't need an "excuse" for it, since there is a valid reason called "survival".

[@m00nsterrulz]

Hi and thanks for the great videos. I’m trying to make up for lost time learning all I can about my ancestors while I still can. Quanah is my great great grandfather. I’m from the Choney line of wives and Baldwin is my great grandfather. His son Simmons is my grandpa. My father is white while my mom is full blooded Indian but half Kiowa and half Comanche. To be honest I never cared about my Indian heritage growing up. Being half white me and my brothers were teased by our cousins which made me cold hearted to my native side for many years. Only in the last few years have I really became fascinated with it all. Learning the established history while often getting a completely different version when I ask old Comanches about the same events. A good example is Nocona’s death. There is the historical version then there is the Comanche version and they differ quite a bit. I’m still not sure which one if either is right tbh. Anyways just wanted to say ty again. My mom is the sweetest (& shortest barely 5’) little old Indian lady in the world so it is fascinating to think she is just a generation or two away from being a total savage. 😉

[@theCosmicQueen]

they are your ancestors. You are their descendant. good to read your perspective.

[@m00nsterrulz]

@@theCosmicQueen oops didnt even notice that. had to read your comment like three times to understand what you were talking about. lol Okay i fixed it, thank you!

[@UGTLDG]

The cruelty of the people of the past (not just Indians) means their bravery is underestimated. It needs guts to know what would happen to you and still live in a certain way. Cruel, yes but for sure they were brave.

[@RaymondPrice-be2by]

I love watching you tell these stories

[@theCosmicQueen]

So much for the " noble savage" and " poor things".

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

I enjoyed this shared perspective and collective data on the history of some of my ancestors (I'm a very mixed-race person of both Kiowa-Comanche as well as Highlander, Roma, and African). I can attest to hearing, among family members (mostly women) the ruthlessness of the Comanche woman, especially if scored, harmed, or betrayed. As someone with a science background, I have often considered the genetic propensities of these characteristics having grown up around women (birth dates from 1877 to 1898) who often could contend and compete with males of our species on equal footing and in a common case, being stronger, quicker and physically dominating over them. This is not a common female trait for our species but is found in some cultures and genetic groups, Comanche clearly being one of them...

[@theCosmicQueen]

good info. But-- you can ATTEST to it. not contest.

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

@@theCosmicQueen Thank you for pointing out that typo! It definitely slipped by me and sounds silly but amusing...LOL!

[@DeMan59]

But . . . But . . . You are harshing my visions of drum circles and peaceful natives communing with nature . . .

[@Demac137]

Cringe