Dating Coach Confronts Destiny About Fresh N Fit BabyMama

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[@LastNightDestiny]

Turkey Tom Asks Destiny For Help And Gets Told He's Screwed... ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4PPdZKrgL2aoZY

[@nolanduarte]

"Let me see those feet"

[@MoistNoize]

Lol all these people in the comments clearly didn't watch the leaked video of her exchanging money for sex. She's a prostitute....you think Fresh should want to have a baby with a girl who's a prostitute. You think Fresh should believe a prostitute when she says shes pregnant with his kid? Lol good look up the video of Daisy literally exchanging money for sex and the client recorded it. Simps in here are CRAZY.

[@degeneratequeen3583]

😊

[@joelofori5565]

@@MoistNoize you do realise that video is zero evidenced. It doesn't show her face, she has no back tattoos and its highly edited. To believe it you have to take their claims at face value. Icl i believed it at first until i cross examined it

[@ybvb]

Steven, you can be against government involvement in reproductive decisions and advocate against having an abortion. And what does it matter what she believes? Pro choice or pro life stances are irrelevant because it is the same reality for everyone. The world doesn't care about your stance.

[@viderevero1338]

Can't believe I'm about to waste 2 hours on this...

[@cdtw]

Im about to do the same thing 😅

[@illkissyourightnow]

Still rather consume/watch this Libtard over any other *”ProMiNenT”* Lefty Streamer 🙄👀🙄👀🙄👀🙄👀🙄

[@nickkarrick]

Same watching Alex flail like a madman is like crack.

[@Imperial_Squid]

Two hours of my mortal life wasted on pointless drama about people I don't know as debated by one dumb guy and one uncharitable guy... I can't fucking wait!

[@yajy4501]

With all the serious debates on Israel/Palestine a little dumb drama is a nice snack. When Destiny goes on a whole drama arc, I really feel like I’m wasting time listening to it though. It becomes too much.

[@jad7932]

I really believe Fresh only takes girls to Barbados because it’s a cheaper holiday staying with family.

[@TheCattDaddie]

cant lie thats a fire move

[@KingChosenZen]

😂😂😂😂

[@baybeetacoo8734]

@@TheCattDaddiethat’s how y’all end up in this situation

[@justifano7046]

​@@TheCattDaddieno it isn't lol

[@MrAdamo]

@@justifano7046 youre just mad you have no family 😂😂no family ahhh🤣

[@Lazlo-os1pu]

I’m super confused why destiny doesn’t see the moral wrong in leading a girl on hardcore by introducing them to your parents, talking about moving in together and most importantly BUSTING IN THEM UNPROTECTED MULTIPLE TIMES, and then ghosting them. Fresh is indefensible

[@LOOKING-FOR-GLAZE-GALAXY]

There is a difference between defending fresh and attacking daisys narrative.....

[@beewest5704]

This situation triggers him for some reason. He is one drunken night one night stand away from being in the same situation.

[@LOOKING-FOR-GLAZE-GALAXY]

@@beewest5704 looool

[@Lazlo-os1pu]

@@LOOKING-FOR-GLAZE-GALAXY nah. The way that fresh behaved toward daisy is central toward understanding her perspective

[@Slyfa187]

The way you wrote this makes it indefensible. „I can‘t believe why you would be friends with a killer“ Technically true in a deadly self-defense situation but the way it‘s said changes who is to blame completely. Any of these situations in destinys view can happen without Fresh leading her on.

[@dontdie4urgov]

This concept is called reproductive coercion. I cant believe destinys take on this. Like, WHAT

[@BearMetro]

One of the very few times I disagree with him lol. Maybe he has done this himself 😅

[@blkrxse5172]

Bro Destiny sounds as bad faith as Hamasanabi in this debate, what is happening?

[@13984980]

Destiny hates women as he should

[@danielhamilton3496]

Wow, destiny has completely lost the plot of this topic. It's wild how far he's willing to go to defend Walter here. Does he think that being pro life mean that you want to have abortions? A woman can develop an emotional bond to her fetus while still being pro choice.

[@coldsteel9420]

I agree, Destiny lost it. I think he sees women as authority figures, so any bad situation is always the woman's fault.

[@ng4logic]

No. Just no. If she is pro-choice she should abort it. Woman not taking responsibility is really becoming sickness. Living in both worlds. Schrodinger feminism is why I can't respect woman like I can man.

[@Briman13]

anortions LUL argument lost

[@AyoT7]

I disagree with destiny massively here, but it’s not because he’s defending f&f. He just has weird opinions sometimes, he doesn’t need to be bias to take a strange position. He would do it over a yoghurt if he felt that way

[@Fredy_The_Yeti]

​@@AyoT7yeah, this isn't the first time he has said some crazy shit like this

[@Azzi196]

Crazy how Destiny says “I need more information” for fresh’s actions but doesn’t extend the same charitability for her

[@Remington-wz7tg]

It’s because she is relatively new. Destiny doesn’t know her, compared to Destiny knowing Fresh and Myron due to him having appearances on Fresh n Fit Podcast in the past.

[@anubis7457]

I mean, she looks like a textbook honeytrap. A foreign sexworker who comes to the US, engages in a short term but intense relationship with a wealthy man, becomes pregnant and then immediately tries to get money but doesn't want the relationship to continue nor does she have any intentions to work or rely on anyone else but him (she literally says she has other friends but doesn't want to "impose" on them).

[@saw1668]

Yeah destiny takes on relationships are so bad

[@alex96super]

Destiny is definitely an online observer on what relationships should be. Generally people don’t view relationships the way he does.

[@angelmartin7310]

​@Remington-wz7tg right so he knows what a shitbird Fresh is already

[@kjk607]

Destiny: "He didn't trick her , he just mislead her." I'd of hung up the call right then.

[@johneaston8314]

Well he said he didn't trick her in the abortion he tricked her regarding the status of the future relationship.

[@bossanova6154]

He clarified multiple times. He said that it's not tricking someone into an abortion. It's tricking someone about the future of their relationship. Slipping an abortion pill into your multivitamins that you take every day is an example of "tricking. It's still messed up to lie like that, but its not "tricking" her into an abortion.

[@TheGreyPillPodcast]

​@@johneaston8314 What's the difference. He's still tricking. The level and constant way of coming about. Like fresh done women in the past. Is boarder line Narcissist

[@johneaston8314]

@@TheGreyPillPodcast It's not borderline narcissist I don't know why people use this severe diagnosis so casually. The difference is they're both agreeing on the abortion he's just lying about what she gets in return. Giving her abortion pills and claiming they're are vitamins is very different than them agreeing on an abortion and him lying about paying for it right? Fresh lying (if it's even a true story which I doubt) about a future relationship is him lying about what she'll get in return not tricking her into an abortion, that difference is huge

[@johneaston8314]

@@TheGreyPillPodcast The difference is hes not tricking her into the action he's tricking her into her payment for an agreed upon action

[@hetheron]

The point these two weren't hitting in the "tricking a woman to get an abortion" discussion is that while Destiny saw it as a "haha I'm pregnant and if you break up with me I'll keep the baby to screw you but if you stay with me I'll get an abortion" when in reality it was much likely a case where he smooth talked her and told her something to the effect of baby I love you, you know we are in a tough spot in our relationship right now and adding a kid to that isn't going to be easier. Let's have an abortion, work on our relationship, and when we are in a better spot we can have a baby together and raise it right which, even if you are a pro-life person and have no personal convictions about abortion is ostensibly a really shitty thing to do to someone.

[@jipen]

PRO LIFERS STILL HAVE PERSONAL CONVICTIONS ABOUT ABORTION. For the love of god ppl it's not " it's fun and means nothing or it's a baby " . Those are not the 2 options. All pro lifers who aren't PSYKOPATHS also don't like doing an abortion. Every abortion is still bad and a failure...

[@BunchyPanther42]

Fr the amount of people coming to his defense about this take too is wild

[@kylefraser2841]

@hetheron He conceded that whole point. He even clearly stated his position wasn't that fresh wasn't shitty for that. His position is its just as shitty to claim you only care about the child, then admit that you would have willingly threw that child's life away if it meant a relationship. Both can be equally as shitty.

[@drewmyers3916]

if women believe that then it's on you. why are yall so damn stupid? men are pieces of shit. we know this but yall routinely keep making the moat stupid decisions that it's crazy. it doesn't matter if he did that or not cus ultimately it still would imply that she didn't care about the baby and that's what destiny is getting to. this girl is obviously looking for attention of some sorts. who tf gets pregnant and immediately goes strait to social media instead and waiting it out and hitting him with a DNA test? it wouldn't matter if he wanted it or not, he would still have to pay.

[@stevepenn2582]

She doesn't care about the child if she's willing to abort it for a relationship

[@The_curious_Ribosome]

2h hours of destiny basically saying "I don't know." "I don't remember f&f saying that... but i also didnt watch it..." "probably..." "I don't know how words work".. despite Alex sharing receipts for it, but somehow destiny still being very very sure that girls version is wrong. 🤦🏿‍♀️ Great performance by Alex.

[@TheLumberjack1987]

Let's not forget the "I don't have strong convictions" talking point, as if he didn't call her subhuman filth in the very first conversation he had. Also let's not forget when he said "if I see opposing evidence I might change my opinion...slightly" when Aba talked with him. You know, that's the stuff you say when you don't have strong convictions in either direction, that divorce fucked him up

[@The_curious_Ribosome]

@@TheLumberjack1987 exactly. It's endless charity on one end and immediate condemnation on the other

[@oNedrous_oNe]

..|| I’m totally confused by how obtuse this guy is …..

[@teegee126]

this is a perfect example of destiny just playing devils advocate and only debating to win instead of debating for what he actually thinks is right

[@KingstonHawke]

Destiny is only thinking about what would affect his own life. He knows he’s never going to be in her situation but could easily be in Fresh’s.

[@SmilingDesperado]

It's not even that, imo. Destiny is just stubborn and braindead when it comes to certain topics sometimes. Playing devil's advocate makes it seem like he doesn't really believe what he's saying---I think he definitely thinks he's right, but he's such a stubborn person that once he feels he is right, nothing can change his mind.

[@daisy291]

The thing Destiny is missing so hard is that having an abortion is not easy for women. Even if you're not against it. An abortion is very emotionally and mentally difficult to go through with

[@soyuzsovietsky]

And now it’s often LEGALLY difficult to go through with too :((

[@Finallyicanchangethishandle]

So is having a baby w no daddy

[@JohnStockton7459]

Suddenly destiny fans are pro life 😂😂. Shes ruining a childs life for greed and money, wake up

[@shroomii3414]

As opposed to pregnancy and raising a fatherless kid? That pain won't compare

[@13984980]

You do realize her having the baby and going back to China with a mixed baby would not bring any benefit to her right? Asian culture frowns upon having a kid that’s mixed with a black mate especially in China.

[@mylescobalt5676]

Destiny arguing that his own son should've been aborted around the 32 minute mark was unexpected.

[@driftstratus]

How? He's said before that if he had his current mindset that they would have gotten an abortion. That was years ago btw. He said that the reason they had Nathan was because of his moral belief of being pro-life at the time. So Destiny is just being morally consistent.

[@PrimoHydra]

Im glad this fan base isnt completely up destiny's ass, and is calling him out on his bullshit cuz what are these takes.

[@goddessrick8734]

It's insane how ppl are buying so much nonsense from a 28 year old escort who said her minimum income for a man is 1 million and that's she's used to rich men wanting her. A grown woman whose traveled the world is claiming to have been ready to have a baby with man after living together less than a month and dating for only a few. I hate FnF but this is some serious simping.

[@dylaroo24]

It’s wild to me how none of you guys can admit how insanely unlikely it is that this girl who is almost certainly an escort who lied about it, wanted to have Fresh’s kids just weeks after meeting him. If you wanna believe she is just some incredibly naive girl that is doomed to be manipulated by men her entire life, that’s fine. But acting like Destiny is unhinged for pointing out how sketchy and unlikely her story is, then you are just coping hard. The best we have for him saying he wanted kids was him saying he wasn’t worried, which is easily explained as he plains to make her get rid of it if she does come back positive. The guy is that braindead, that’s not anything new. You telling me this guy who is seeing 5 other girls is having serious talks about having kids? You have to admit how unlikely that is… Even if you point out that some girls move fast (which this isn’t just fast, this is like one step away from having kids the day they meet) you have admit how unlikely it is that this is a girl that moves so fast that she wants kids weeks after meeting a tool like Walter. This girl is a bodybuilder/model that has been around the world, why is she falling for Walter? You telling me she never had better options? That again, is so incredibly unlikely. It seems so obvious that Walter was her mark, why is that so hard to think of? Walter is the textbook baby trap mark, why is it so hard to believe this is a girl who took the chance? And again, you can believe otherwise, my point is that it’s wild that you can’t accept how unlikely her story is and that’s it’s completely reasonable for Destiny to be skeptical of it.

[@pootlovato8237]

@@dylaroo24 first of all, why do you guys think its SOOOOO unreasonable for escorts to fall for people they are escorting? lol. Regardless of if she is or isnt an escort, when girls have dreams and aspirations of marrying princes and rich men and shit, do you think they are just girls who are money hungry whores or are they women and girls aiming to pursue a specific romantic image/ideal that has been fed to them since they were young and don't want to date people who cant give that to them? there are women who fall for this shit all the fucking time. The nigerian prince scams, the tinder swindler, etc etc etc. If you want to shit on her or women like her for that kind of stupidity, then do that. Just because we might think Walter is unattractive and a bit of a dumbass, doesn't mean women with those standards trying to date younger men their age specially within that tax bracket think the same. He's probably better than dating the 90% of old ass men that make that kind of money at his age which is why she was probably additionally attached to him. You just seem to repeat destiny's thoughts and arguments without putting much thought into why the hell she would think like this. Watching her interviews didn't seem like she was trying to "baby trap" him. She wanted him to give her a specific kind of romantic treatment that showed that he cared bc he literally has been telling her he loved her and shit and even let her meet his family lmfao. Like, do you guys really think someone as plastic as Daisy has more options outside of old rich men when the kind of men that you guys say she has better options with would opt for even better options than Daisy? She wouldn't even have these options in China.

[@pootlovato8237]

I didnt even think the rest of the fanbase was capable of this lmfao. He's had so many shit takes lately im starting to believe its the Adderall.

[@Platelunchexpress]

Right, he isn’t making much sense

[@be8420]

The issue is that fresh is immoral in every situation. He is immoral for lying to get her to have the abortion. AND he is immoral for not stepping up and being responsible for his bastard spawn. If she has the baby and she becomes a single mother, that is 100% on fresh.

[@87thehoss]

It takes two. She decided to lay down with him, so it’s 50% on him.

[@be8420]

@@87thehoss I don't really want to get into percentages, mate. Since he probably got with her by using dishonesty, he probably is more than 50% responsible. Regardless of the Chinese chick, fresh is an immoral person. That's not debatable.

[@IvanDrago_3]

@@be8420 not really plus where is your proof and sources

[@be8420]

@@IvanDrago_3 Fresh is the source, he is the one who told the story. Are you ok?

[@IvanDrago_3]

@be8420 ive watch it all are you ok your picking up on what I'm doing

[@bingo720]

Destiny chewing into the mic makes me want to declare war on Cuba, please stop bro

[@flasbang73]

It's always bothered me how he is always so particular about other people's microphone quality but doesn't understand the most basic microphone etiquette of not eating and drinking directly in front of the mic.

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

"Eat fecal matter and no longer biologically function anymore." - Destiny (probably)

[@phelmonk9502]

Eeevveerryy single fucking episode. I don't understand how it's even possible. On top of the dish clanging, insane typing, constant high pitch ear piercing appliance and fan noise. Zero filtering or gating just turns his fucking mic on and goes. Can literally hear the soy slide down his gullet then you get to listen to his moistened sticky mouth that lingers for a few minutes. If I ever see him in person it's the only thing I'm bringing up. Can't take five fucking minutes and just walk away

[@phelmonk9502]

Zero gating or filtering of any kind just turns the microphone on and says fuck every single human being alive

[@phelmonk9502]

Just wait until you tune into a constant unbroken high-pitched ear piercing appliance and fan noise that you can never unhear

[@meandtheveggies1234]

can't believe i'm sitting here agreeing with more of Alex's points lmao

[@admiralaztec6085]

Yeah I had low expectations after their Israel debates but “if a baby is going to be fatherless and life might be kinda hard so you should just kill them” is a rather insane, indefensible take

[@dylangeorgeson6580]

I feel like Mr Borelli has some personal stake in this conversation like he's done something similar, weirdly aggressive for what seems like a relatively straight forward conversation

[@JK-sz1xy]

I think it’s just because Destiny is being annoyingly obtuse and black-and-white in a nuanced conversation that he wouldn’t usually be if it was any other subject

[@brandyuni-gx7uo]

Yeah either this or he knows he’s capable of doing the same and is scared of it coming back to bite him and people saying he contradicted him self like with FNF.

[@frankmarano1118]

I don't get why destiny is fighting so hard on the flying out to meet your mom point. This is not something someone casually wastes a ton of money on. You don't fly out of the country to meet someone's mom if it's not supposed to be serious. It just doesn't happen unless it's only happening because of another event in the area & it's not the sole purpose of the trip. I know destiny is loaded but damn His morals are f******* up here too. It's not wrong to trick someone into having an abortion by using a relationship you're about to ghost out on as leverage but a single mom having a kid is worse than that by not killing the baby? Wat?

[@frankmarano1118]

@l33tcpu I certainly can't think of another explanation. Destiny usually has decent takes but this is one of his CLASSIC randomly truly terrible takes he's infamous for lol

[@JLahvi]

I think it all depends on how the trip came about. If he was flying out to Barbados for other reasons and he does it often to Fresh it wouldn’t have been a big deal. It’s only fucked up if he implicitly arranged the holiday to introduce her to his family.

[@frankmarano1118]

@@JLahvi I agree that's why I qualified it with, "unless it's only happening because of another event in the area". But I have a feeling that wasn't the case because they said the purpose of the trip was to meet his mother

[@noobmansuperstarboy]

You arent killing a baby though, when you abort you are just not letting it be born, you are killing a fetus before gestation. Prolifers here going crazy

[@yugoxgc]

I think you're misunderstanding his stance. You look at it from a general common sense person point of view. Making a sort of moral judgement from that as a baseline. Destiny's whole line of "defence" on this specifically is that for FnF doing that is not special & means nothing. That's how they roll, so to speak. Honestly if that is the case it would explain Walter saying that "50% of women get flown out to Dubai, constantly" An outrageous & ludicrous claim from normal person baseline. However if Fresh is often flying out girls to family parties in Barbados. Well yeah that would explain why he thinks 50% of women get international fights from rich guys casually. HE is the guy that does it with women & thinks every other does this too

[@RayTheomo]

Its actually crazy how horrible Destinys takes become when he talks about relationships. Its not even funny anymore. Its just wild.

[@nsbdbsbsbdbzbz8555]

Its every sunject, especially politics. Maybe youre just stupid?

[@Jackholiday1025]

He criticizes fresh but he’s absolutely right that daisy is the one who played him and not the other way around. Daisy is not that stupid. There’s no way she didn’t do her research on fresh when there’s so much fresh and fit content out there and she went on the show. She knew what he was about and so she played his ass. No way she actually fell for him and thought she was going to get married raise a kid with him 😂

[@LightningDoesStrikeThrice]

That's why we clown/ignore them lol

[@beewest5704]

​@@Jackholiday1025Women often thing they are the exception especially if a guy tells you you are the exception. On stream he says he never gives women money or buy them gifts while he does that for her. He takes her to meet his family. He takes her on vacay. Why do we act like she did what she did out of a vacuum.

[@APD089191]

@@Jackholiday1025How did he get played tho? Is he so stupid or restarted that he didn’t know that nutting in a girl whom is not on birth control will result in pregnancy? How did he get played when they had a previous pregnancy scare and she told him that he got lucky that time?

[@mowleed2000]

Imagine being a Destiny fan from a single mother home and you realise this guy thinks you should have been killed because your existence is so awful 😂

[@noobmansuperstarboy]

Killed? Your dumbass is confusing killing something with never being born.

[@ICavalcadeI]

You know, it's very ironic. The same reason that Destiny claims he's so free to have heterodox political opinions is because he's not fully bought into left-wing (or right-wing) group-think. For that reason, he can give a genuine take that is devoid of partisanship or fear of being canceled. He claims Ben Shapiro can never admit that Israel has done anything wrong because he's politically motivated to avoid doing exactly that. The irony in this instance is that since Destiny has already decided to call her sub-human trash, he can't back down from that position no matter what evidence is brought forward, lmao. On this issue, he's become infected by the same thing he claimed to he innoculated against.

[@AJ........]

He claimed to be inoculated, but he wasn't. He's been as biased as anyone else. He just can't recognize himself as biased so he comes across more believable as unbiased

[@HRPufnsting]

Destiny out here advocating for abortion as birth control.

[@ryohio4706]

Destiny gave one of his worst takes by far in this in my opinion. Him giving that weird argument in favor of Walter's "hail Mary" situation was bizarre and so stupid. Yeah dude, Like its so dumb and crazy that a woman would, or would not, wanna keep a child based on her relationship with a man, or that a woman would possibly wanna wait to have children when shes in a more stable/healthy relationship.

[@malissakpadeh8951]

Destiny is pretending like up isn't up and down isn't down.

[@DannyT-ln5ex]

it is dumb and crazy, and its been demonstrated extremely well. Children are not tools to use as leverage to keep a relationship or punish someone for leaving one. Nobody that has kids disagrees with destiny here.

[@bruhbruhingham4202]

@@DannyT-ln5ex whats shes doing is definitely crazy and out of pure spite but based on the messages shes shown, she was under the assumption that he was willing to raise the kid with her

[@DannyT-ln5ex]

@@bruhbruhingham4202 I don't know why you're making conjectures based on evidence you've seen, you have 0 experience with romantic relationships so why would you think you could parse intimate messages? This is like a first year music major thinking they can argue with doctors about what they read in a medical journal. EVERY guy in a romantic relationship with a woman talks about kids/breeding, because it's one of the most universal kinks. It's supposed to be cute and romantic in dms, and hot during sex. You would know this intuitively if you'd ever been in a relationship.

[@jswew12]

Yeah that is the most psycho shit I have ever heard him say. A woman who is in a vulnerable state comes to her partner and he completely manipulates her but “it’s alright because that is better than her having the baby”. Not a valid reason at all. Plus he is completely assuming that she doesn’t have some level of moral objection to abortion

[@rum1105]

So destiny is saying that children who have fathers that don’t want to see them is better off dead. Mind you this is a situation where the child would be financially stable.

[@Naomi-sy9lp]

Interesting because isn't that what that Brittany girl said about his kid...? Yikes

[@danahowell44]

I think Destiny has a personal hate towards women that is prohibiting him from seeing how fresh was wrong in this. He’s making light of what fresh did and just attacking the girls here and his personal bias is beginning to show. Is he saying abort the child if the father doesnt want to be with her or get rid of the child? What’s his obsession with her aborting the child? Why should she abort it if she doesn’t want to? What if she just doesn’t agree with abortion? So you’re just sleeping around, then getting pregnant and then getting rid of the baby until a man wants to be with you? He has a very backwards view on this. I can’t say I’m surprised since he was getting upto all nastiness with his ex wife. Casually talking about ending a life like it’s an easy decision even if you’re pro choice, it’s still a very hard decision to make. He has very black and white thinking.

[@urbanlegendd6646]

Listen I don’t like fnf as much the next person but …The only reason you think that is because he has a different opinion…He’s not on the fnf hate train

[@urbanlegendd6646]

Because I guarantee when he was on these red pill debate crusade you didn’t think he was a “Black & white thinker” then

[@Diana-si5xn]

I’m so confused by this argument. I’m pro choice and never have had or never will have an abortion, and have never been pregnant. Not because I’m against it , but because I don’t plan on ever having to make that heavy decision but I support and advocate for women to have access if they ever would need to make such a decision. He’s acting like pro choice means we believe abortion is insignificant or something. This is a bad take on what pro choice means.

[@zata8]

Then according to Destiny's argument you are against getting an abortion for yourself. (what you advocate for for others is completely irrelevant in this case). Thus, if someone says get an abortion and we will keep our relationship, is not a convincing offer for you. If it's convincing then getting an abortion is not a heavy decision for that person. But as Destiny said both sides are in the wrong.

[@Diana-si5xn]

@@zata8 I don’t agree with your sentiments. Because someone makes a decision to get an abortion it does not mean that it is not a heavy decision. That also was not his argument. He said that if you choose not to have an abortion when the dad has communicated his unwillingness to be involved it is immoral. He made the pro choice = pro abortion argument.

[@wisemage0]

Pro-choice means you're not gonna knee-cap your kid's childhood by condemning them to a fatherless upbringing.

[@Diana-si5xn]

@@wisemage0 lol what no it’s not. I’m 31 years old and have never been pregnant. I can’t see myself having an abortion at this stage in life. I’ve been responsible so far what does that even look like? Maybe in undergrad or teenage years. Can we stop pretending like the father is the only factor that goes into the decision. It is only one of many factors.

[@YoutubeLovesCowards]

​@@wisemage0it absolutely does not mean that.

[@rum1105]

Why is Destiny so weaselly on this subject. How is what Fresh said not tricking someone into getting an abortion?

[@apoindexter1991]

Destiny debates in bad faith on this one.

[@b23beatz]

Disagreeing is bad faith

[@nickwiener8729]

Destiny is literally defending the Tom Likus theory of lying to women to get an abortion. This is where destiny completely loses me. He’s arguing for the sake of arguing, he’s not actually making good points. And this is my biggest disappoint with him. Sometimes he’s so real and other times he’s just a disagree with everything you say because I can win the point guy. And it hurts him in every other situation where he is being honest.

[@bc9554]

Tom Leykis and Destiny have the exact same political ideology. They're both wealthy social democrats with sociopathic ideation

[@SmilingAzaleaFlower-kw3eh]

Yea this def opened my eyes to the “Destiny is just a contrarian” arguement

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

I think the "convincing a girl to have an abortion with the promise of having another child later with no intention of ever having said future child" scenario is a lot for complicated and can be a lot more nefarious than Destiny gives it credit for. Even setting aside the fact that abortions can have complications that preclude future pregnancies, you may still be robbing that woman of the chance to ever have a child in other ways. Women have a limited window in which to have children (and an even smaller window for health pregnancies, safe pregnancies, and/or natural pregnancies). And you don't just break up with her and set her off to have a child the next year -- she has to process the relationship that ended, find a new potential partner, enter into a successful relationship with that partner (amid, typically, a sea of failed attempts), decide together to have children, _then_ attempt to get pregnant. If you do the abortion-manipulation scenario to a woman who's, say 33, continue to date her for a couple of years, then break up with her, she's now on a serious clock with _many_ more steps between her and _ever_ being a mother than she had before. She's already in the land of higher-risk geriatric pregnancy, but now she has to find a suitable partner who is willing to commit, _and_ get pregnant in a seriously foreshortened time frame.

[@dyhidrogenmonoxide]

Well destiny was discussing it in the context of the man not wanting to continue the relationship, and the woman only keeping the baby as a way to continue the relationship, implying she didn’t particularly want it either, and he would not be wasting any more of her time, as he wanted to break up. That’s a completely different scenario to someone who never had the intention of having children but promised they would, in order to get into a multi-year relationship. That is a whole lot worse, definitely.

[@bobcarl8119]

​@@dyhidrogenmonoxideit's really easy for men to just say go get an abortion, if medical ones didn't exist I'd have the baby, and still it was the most excruciating pain I've ever experienced. Yall cry like babies just being told to wear a condom or stealth take it off. All of you are the worst. Lol

[@Giathirds]

that last stream with myron dancing talking about now shes a single mom and walter with a forced laugh is some sad shit

[@13984980]

Sounds funny

[@mharris4264]

Lmaoooo. Ironically they're playing the victim card but Destiny is so obtuse and argumentative to see that. He even played into it by calling it baby trapping. 😂

[@mary1412]

Steven is so used to having “the logs” that he can’t believe there’s not a text saying every single claim someone makes 😂 sometimes convos happen in person and there’s ZERO texts about it. It can happen.

[@8020drummer]

32:59 I think the nuance destiny is missing is that it’s possible to be “pro choice” and willing to abort if it’s necessary but still have ambivalence about ending a life - however proto human - and already have an emotional bond with the baby.

[@Jibb_Buttkiss]

He's saying that's morally wrong and you ought to abort if the father wants no part.

[@chrisbartolini1508]

If you can have an emotional bond with someone and still kill them, you’re a psycho.

[@austinpickens7611]

@@chrisbartolini1508unfortunately that’s most women who have abortions lol.

[@telise8730]

​@@chrisbartolini1508not at all. The woman is put into a tough position where she has to decide between a rational choice and an emotional one. In a case where a man she's committed to says "we just can't have a baby right now" might make that personal sacrifice that will cause her emotional and physical distress, for the sake of the man she loves and their future together. It's extremely nefarious and disgusting to prey on an already stressful situation and pressuring her to make that choice by exploiting her feelings for you, all so that you wouldn't have to potentially take accountability for your role in all of it.

[@chrisbartolini1508]

@@telise8730 If you carefully re-read what you typed, you’ll notice that, funny enough, it wasn’t actually a response to what I said.

[@nickwiener8729]

The point is not whether the abortion is ok or not Destiny. The point is whether or not Fresh tricking the woman into having one based on a lie is ok. Maybe an abortion is the best case overall. But going about it by buying the girl Macdonald’s and then lying to her is the issue. This is where I start to hate destiny. He’s not this stupid, he just loves to argue, regardless if he believes what he’s saying.

[@ergot1803]

If the woman is willing to abort the baby under the pretense that she can get another one with the same man, but not willing to abort the baby under the pretense that this man will not want a baby with her, I honestly don't see the tricking as that much different from keeping it against the father's wishes.

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

Stop. It's not this complicated. He thinks lying is bad. You shouldn't lie. But if he told her the truth and the baby was born anyway, that is much worse for all parties involved. And to be ultra clear, he says that fresh is acting selfishly in this instance. However, his self preservation just do happens to coincide with doing the most moral outcome.

[@LightningDoesStrikeThrice]

Yeah Fresh saying that bs so nonchalantly & laughing about it as if it's no big whoop yet on the other side of the coin this woman would be demonized for taking an actual life which Destiny will just never understand because he's not a woman

[@jasonvinson5407]

@@LightningDoesStrikeThricewell hold on, to be ultra ultra clear here, destiny is in fact a girls name

[@mharris4264]

​@@jaybrosbarber2751 that's only the most moral outcome if you believe single mother households= bad life for kid. The most moral outcome is fresh acting mature, raising his child or supporting her through the abortion process instead of making this more dramatic than it needs to be.

[@ijiahpeavy2429]

This was a direct example of Destiny trying to sound super intellectual while sounding super stupid. He's just super contrarian and logically inconsistent and I'm starting to notice the more i watch him. He just wants to be right and the other person to he wrong which likely comes from his years of being a debator to ghe point it's just his second nature trait.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

Man, I have watched Destiny for a decade and love him, but he has been nothing but a contrarian since the divorce. I don’t know what is up with him, but it’s getting unbearable

[@ijiahpeavy2429]

@@MMAGamblingTips He definitely seems to be talking from a perspective of bitterness/

[@MMAGamblingTips]

@@ijiahpeavy2429 yeah it’s disappointing to see

[@RayTheomo]

"I dont want an abortion" = you MUST be pro life Holy jesus christ thats a bad take

[@kristianbasile7141]

He does clarify that he is talking personally pro choice or not. In other words it is no longer a women's rights issue but whether you personally don't mind having an abortion.

[@ryohio4706]

It really is

[@mharris4264]

There are a couple times when I noticed he uses words in obtuse or obscured ways. It's the zoomer take again😂.

[@beewest5704]

I'm pro-choice & will never have an abortion. I just feel like every women should be able to choose cause at the end of the day she is the only one carrying the baby.

[@MrZozotier]

​@@beewest5704 but in her situation going back with a half black baby in China and no dad while being a hooker, it's like think about the kid not only the fact that you want to be a mom so bad

[@andrewc406]

I honestly can't tell if destiny is being bad faith or autistically obtuse. At 33:00 a mother is more evil for bringing a child in fatherless than a man running around serially impregnating women and ghosting them. Then he clarifies with the intention of blackmailing the dad with the baby he intentionally pumped in her because of lies of the future and relationship. Steven ... Just because someone doesn't want a kid doesn't mean he gets to lie to go sleeveless and use more lies to trick someone to get an abortion to avoid consequences. Getting a grandmother to end herself doesn't cover up the fraud that happened nor the consequences that should happen.

[@michaelh878]

He doesn't accept your premise that fresh was lying to the girls so your whole comment is pointless.

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

Why was it bad to lie in this situation, other than the fact that it's bad to lie in general.

[@andrewc406]

@@jaybrosbarber2751 I can't tell if this is facetious but it made me laugh.

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

@@andrewc406 could you just answer the question

[@andrewc406]

@@jaybrosbarber2751 holy fuck... Ok, it's not just lying, it's manipulation to convince someone of a future pay off in order for you to get momentary satisfaction from that person. Then continue the manipulation in order to trick the person out of a situation that would have put you in an inconvenient spot and then abandon them to do that to another person. The lie is bad because it's setting up a false pretence with serious consequences.

[@ash1eyrose]

Jesus christ, Destiny has lost the plot. Abortion isn't easy even if you're pro choice.

[@sampam3334]

He knows but he has to take fnf’s side

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

This is directly addressed in the videos

[@0fficerpimp]

Do you know what's easier going through with the pregnancy and raising a child for 18 years as a single parent. Smh

[@oxly187]

The issue is pressuring(under conversion) the girl to get an abortion. A relationship is part of the calculus of having an abortion. Most principles are not absolute. There is such a thing as abortion regret. The major problem with Destiny's argument is his use of the term "harm.". Getting an abortion is the easiest thing. I think the disconnect between the two arguments is that Destiny believes if you cave under pressure on getting an abortion, then you don't care, so there isn't anything wrong. I don't agree.

[@FabriceLabako]

Nobody here agrees, Destiny is just glazing Fresh for whatever reason.

[@BigBoss0112]

reminder to never take relationship advice from steven

[@rorisang8602]

Yep. He said Melina is mature. He would trust brittany Simon's with his bank card and Lav is smart. He always burns bridges with 90% of people. He is a horrible judge of character.

[@Sampsonoff]

His personal life and relationships are a disaster. Thankfully he doesn’t give advice on it

[@Jackholiday1025]

Actually destiny typically gives fairly good dating advice from what I’ve seen. He doesn’t push his own preferences and lifestyle on people, he acknowledges his own fuck ups. He never advocates for people to have open relationships, that’s just his own personal preference.

[@franklingoodwin]

​What good dating advice? It's barely better than Fresh and FIt's dating advice. Also nevertheless tale gating advice from the someone who has a terrible relationship history.

[@TheLumberjack1987]

@@rorisang8602 tbf Melina leaving his emotionally detached ass is probably proof of her maturing

[@KaptenSeptum]

I have no idea how Destiny think during the abortion part of this... The Girl and Walter had a "Relationship" (or atleast it seems like it), she then realize that she is pregnant. She goes to the other person in the releationship and tell them "Hey, I'm pregnant. What's your thought about this and what's the plan?". Walter then goes on to lie to her telling her "Hey, we are not in a situation where a kid is a good idea right now but lets plan for a child in the future instead". Then goes to ghost the girl as soon she had the abortion..... From what I can tell she did all the responsible actions she needed to do. 1. She went to the other part who helped her get pregnant 2. she had a talk with them and asked how they should handle it. 3. She then went and did the abortion after they had the talk.... then she ends up getting ghosted out of nowhere??? 😵😵‍💫🤣

[@BunchyPanther42]

Destiny: “based” 💀

[@RLVineh760]

Destiny simping for Fresh is not something I had on my bingo card

[@JK-sz1xy]

2024 is a wild year 😂

[@8harbor]

destiny has some kind of thing with myron. no need to say more

[@RLVineh760]

@@8harbor Myron is gay as hell so I believe it

[@johneaston8314]

I don't think he's simping for fresh. He seems to be the only one critical of Daisy.

[@kaptenmike]

What's worse, simping for Fresh or simping for a 304?

[@oscarperez9783]

Everyone that has interviewed Daisy has came back with similar conclusions except Destiny. The same Destiny that said she’s subhuman filth right from the start and had no genuine interest in engaging with her

[@RanDom-if2ee]

Not right from the beginning, after being in a call from her and disagreeing with her take and thinking.

[@GSP-76]

​@@RanDom-if2ee So she's subhuman filth for getting pregnant and not wanting to get an abortion but the clown who knocked her up is just fine?

[@RayTheomo]

I honestly agreed with him with the first interview when he said that. But then interview after interview, evidence after evidence, i became more on her side. Shes dum af. But she truly thought fresh(for whatever lead gnawing reason) wanted to be her long term partner. She was slandered and lied on and shes clearly the victim here.

[@Gokuvsnaruto22]

“Everyone else agrees with me but you don’t so somehow you’re wrong” is a terrible argument.

[@ng4logic]

​@@RayTheomoyou must be insane to say this. You do realize she is high class escort? "I am in love after week, I am just that kind of person" - Daisy, high class escort Chick finessed him, only god knows who is actually gonna raise that baby

[@apokolipsmeow5481]

I keep losing respect for Destiny. It's not wrong to lie to a woman to get her to abort a baby? Are you insane Destiny?

[@casanovagaming6720]

Babytrap women: "Don`t worry, I can`t get pregnant."

[@adewaleaderoloye1161]

You need to really listen to understand a point. He never said it wasn't wrong,

[@Roshea]

She’s not even legitimate tho

[@dijananukic7413]

@@casanovagaming6720She provided test messages got proof that he knew she wasnt on birth control and that she could get pregnant

[@apokolipsmeow5481]

DGG is really losing it's mind. He is giving the most minor, obligatory "sure, it's wrong but..." and then proceeding to explain it away by naming other things he believes are worse. I don't need to "listen", you need to remove your member from the DGG fleshlight. He sounds like a sociopath lately whenever he's pressed on moral issues. He doesn't think that a man lying to his girlfriend (who you've been cumming inside with no intention of having a child with) to get her to have an abortion on the promise of a better, more stable future as a family with every intention of dumping her with a happy meal the MOMENT the abortion is complete is no big deal because it serves the greater good statistically. Saying "it might be wrong, sure, but..." is just not a strong enough statement to describe how vile that action is. It's utterly insane that his immediate response wasn't "Yeah, obviously that's horrible and anyone who would do that is a trash person". He didn't say anything even close to that.

[@jeremysellors9405]

This take is crazy. Its such a robotic view of human emotion to think that the woman aborting for a man is her rationally deciding to leverage the baby.

[@jipen]

Yea. But it's even worse cause even the robotic view is failing. Cause he's saying if she's willing to sacrifice it she can't be broken up about losing it.. Does that work for chopping of a arm for a relationship to? for a leg? or ONLY a BABY!.

[@jshv73]

@@jipenyeah… the logic still tracks. If a person is willing to chop off their arm in order to stay in a relationship then they clearly cared more about the relationship than their arm. I don’t think he ever said it wasn’t normal to feel regret after the fact.

[@Macheako]

@@jshv73cared MORE. Not that they never cared about their arm….

[@jshv73]

@@Macheako why is that distinction important? If the arm is gone regardless

[@TylerDull]

Destiny has stated at times that he feels relationships and social interactions are more transactional than most people. So this all tracks

[@christianfox7431]

Some unborn fetus lodged itself in Destinys brain and its fully rotted everything.

[@brandonlanier9093]

The way Destiny manipulated the term “playing the victim” to defend F&F is insane. They played the victim by blaming the matrix and everyone else, not recognizing their role in being demonetized.

[@majorleaguemayn4924]

You're acting like you're the matrix 😂😂😂🤡

[@wisemage0]

Do you think it would've been better to birth the child?

[@doitlive1279]

There’s like a human level of evil you have to have to do the Fresh “Hailmarry” and if you’re a sociopath (like Destiny) you won’t see it. And if Destiny is your daddy, and you have no real life experience, you’ll see his argument as reasonable.

[@MrSemanticprison]

I wish destiny would be 10% more charitable to Alex. He says some dumb shit that does need argued but making him define every single idiom to an autistic level is a waste of time. Like "playing the victim". Using that phrase just implies someone is saying they are being persecuted for no good reason when they are not. That's it. Or "taking accountability." When people say that they generally do mean the person makes a statement admitting fault and a desire to change their actions or at least regret. Maybe it shouldnt be used that way, but thats what people generally mean. 😊

[@Roshea]

What a friendly soul.

[@thaejsooriya3313]

Yea I’m just getting through that part of the video and came to see the comments on it. It really seems like he won’t let Alex ask any question without defining terms that Destiny himself will use and would get pretty loud about people asking to clarify as if they weren’t tied to uber common understandings.

[@MrSemanticprison]

@Roshea the reasoning being that then the actual criticisms will hit harder instead of just feeling argumentative. He could even mention that the terms are strong for him but still just address the pt. The long tangents with examples over minor idiom quibbles jusr dragged on and on

[@SubzeroBlack68]

The issue is that others use his own words or the flow of a conversation against him. For example someone else can clip him or state that he believes that an individual is "playing the victim" and not actually a victim in a situation. But him arguing against the way words are used can also be used as a source that counter any "clipping" against him. There's also the fact that even if Destiny is generous about it. Alex isn't willing to do the same back to Destiny. Seeing how Alex plays around with words on his Israel/Palestine debate. Alex is not good faith or unintentionally is bad faith. I wouldn't be surprised if in other videos or debates and conversations Alex has in the future, he may misrepresent Destinys views to someone else and smear Destinys name. It may even be out of ignorance and unintentional.. I also think Destiny is being way to charitable to Alex already. Alex has been a garbage debator in their last 3-4 conversations. Usually Destiny would blow up and shit on someone he debates on his stream calling them "fucking morons" and other insults. The fact that Destiny is pretty chill this conversation feels like hes being extremely charitable.

[@MrAdamo]

@@MrSemanticprison I truly think he does this because he knows he's wrong. I know that when I do this it's because I'm bloviating and want to save face, but maybe that's just me.

[@MrSemanticprison]

I dont think a pro choice moral stance means that any suboptimal child should be aborted. Especially since a large part of disadvantage of single parent situations is financial and it seems thats not applicable here. Not having a father is still a large disadvantage but i dont think its enough to make it immoral to have the child.

[@earhearthush-up5549]

Yeah that was wild, destiny suddenly morphed into a red piller If he was arguing with a right winger who made a claim like “single moms are always evil!1” using that reasoning, he’d go in on them

[@medragonlord]

when 80% of people in jail come from single mother households?

[@MrSemanticprison]

All pit bulls are dogs, but not all dogs are pit bulls

[@MrSemanticprison]

​@earhearthush-up5549 right. And very few people are 100% pro choice. Lots of people will agree that its necessary or reasonable in some cases but not think a child should (not just may) be aborted for any reason.

[@2norberto]

​@medragonlord are those 80% with rich parents who are able to see their kids?

[@hapmaplapflapgap]

Destiny confuses someone being 'pro choice' with someone having 'no moral issue' with abortion. which is just straight up wrong for the vast majority of people. Most people would probably have an abortion after say Rape, but not want to have an abortion if life just happens. That's not a principled position about abortion, but it does mean that they feel abortion, separate from all else, is a bad choice. Not only that, he somehow has spun the idea that the woman should have the choice, into saying that actually they don't have a choice: if the father does not want it, you should not have the baby. It is absolutely tricking into an abortion, if you lie with the express purpose to convince them into getting an abortion. No one would deny that the loverboy method is tricking someone into prostitution either.

[@stonecoldscubasteveo4827]

The abortion take Destiny is giving here is wild, and not at all consistent with his past stance. Abortion is primarily for the benefit of the mother, with secondary benefits to the father and (one could argue) society at large. It is not *ever* in the interest of the child/fetus to be aborted. That's crazy talk. The entire crux of the pro-choice argument is that the developing fetus is not yet a person and thus has no rights. OK, that's a reasonable thing to argue over. To imply as Destiny does here that children would be better off having been aborted than born to a single mother makes no sense. No sane person who grew up without a father is saying "yeah, I'd rather have been aborted than live."

[@Valravn49]

What’s you take on euthanasia?

[@stonecoldscubasteveo4827]

@@Valravn49 That's a hard one. I'm slightly against due to potential for abuse (there's a reason that telling someone to get Canadian health care is not friendly) and I think that if you aren't dedicated and motivated enough to figure out how to get that job done yourself then you aren't serious about it. On the other hand, I can think of plenty of exceptions where It would be justified, so I don't really have a hard stance on it. I think I get where you are coming from with that question, but I don't think the implied analogy tracks except in a super edge case. If prenatal genetic testing indicates that the child will be born with some sort of disorder that will cause them unending untreatable pain to the point that their entire existence will be unmitigated suffering, then I suppose it may well be in their interest to be aborted. So, yay for a counterexample, I guess? I still maintain that is leagues away from "that's going to be a child of a single mom so it's better off aborted."

[@mowleed2000]

Exactly I don’t think I heard him give this argument at all during abortion debate. I wonder if he realises this would not only apply to single mothers but tons of others than can harm someone’s life such as being low IQ, not having generational wealth, living in a poor country. Since all of these things can limit your quality of life I wonder if he thinks they should have all been killed.

[@adaaa11]

Destiny contradicts himself. He thinks a woman having a baby without the fathers consent is evil, yet also thinks she’s a terrible person for having an abortion with the fathers consent (Walter telling her she should have an abortion and her agreeing to it) bc that means she didn’t really want the baby. Yet if she wanted the baby but the father didn’t, she’s a terrible person for having the baby. The girl literally did what Fresh wanted bc she was including him in the decision and agreed with him that it was not the right time for a baby. Yet if she disagreed with fresh and kept it, she’s also bad? Destiny is just a lunatic honestly dude is deranged

[@goddessrick8734]

No. It's bc in this case the women is an lying escort only concerned about the financial gain and never actually cared about the baby. This should be obvious given how quickly she nuked the relationship with her baby daddy and lawyered up.

[@bobberry1463]

@@goddessrick8734she didn’t do it that fast I know girls who did a lot more in less than 5 hours.

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

He never said that you're a terrible person for having an abortion with the fathers consent. Did he ever say that the mystery woman is a bad person for aborting the baby. He said if the only thing keeping the fetus alive is her trying to keep the man in her life, than that's bad.

[@AJ........]

He's fully a woman hating red piller now

[@AJ........]

​@@goddessrick8734 she didn't nuke the relationship, Walter did. Walter had her move from China to live with him, then kicked her out. She realized later se was pregnant.

[@TheLumberjack1987]

"if you are pro choice and you're pregnant and you know that your partner will leave you then you should get an abortion because the child would not grow up in the best possible circumstances" being pro choice doesn't mean you should get an abortion by default, what a braindead take actually

[@tharic4981]

"if you're pro-choice you get pregnant and the dad wants nothing to do with it and you don't have a moral opposition to aborting but the only reason why you consider keeping the baby is to keep the dad in relation with you I think that is an unethical decision." Why even use quotation marks if you are just gonna make up a statement.

[@waduhek5994]

@@tharic4981 He literally made both statements, that's why everyone is so confused on his position.

[@clouise9722]

Destiny is so scared of being in fresh’s situation that he is biased towards his side 😂 dude hookups with online girls all the time

[@brandyuni-gx7uo]

This is what everyone’s missing. If destiny wasn’t a streamer he would think it’s such an evil thing for a guy to do but because he’s more likely to be in the same scenario he’s super anxious about going against it now and for it to bite him back in the future .

[@Constantinch]

Most bizarre Destiny take in a while. It really feels like he just doesn't want to admit he was wrong for screaming at her so he is stubborn and refuses to change his mind with evidence provided by her. Even if you go with the least charitable interpretation of her story, what Fresh did was both scummy and pathetic.

[@devonbananastar4170]

His entire argument hinges on the “but she’s traveled the world” line. Who cares, believe it or not, you don’t need to be a genius to travel the world. Especially if it’s other people flying her around like he keeps saying. She could easily just be told “be at the airport at this time and look good” and that’s literally it 😂 it’s not like she’s the one flying the fucking plane

[@ChrisJones-lc1ti]

Destiny is trying his hardest to seem impartial but its clear as day that he is guarding his Fresh and Fit bridge. His take is unhinged on this.

[@Landry16]

Destiny seems lazy with this conversation. It's like he either doesn't care or he's afraid to be wrong.

[@orangutan-halibut-walrus]

destiny's take on this is dead wrong. now he's just farming his stupid take for views and money. he knows what he's doing. there's literally no other drama in his sphere. stupid takes are all he has right now.

[@LegendaryArchiver]

You are speaking with absolute certainty about unclear things. Interesting.

[@saw1668]

@@LegendaryArchiverwhat destiny with out that much info is doing the same with daisy 😂

[@ifonlyiwereanalien]

@@LegendaryArchiverdestiny is doing the exact same thing lmao

[@GSP-76]

​@@LegendaryArchiver That's literally what Destiny is doing, lol. How you fan oys can't see how stupid he is is laughable. He hasn't had a viable debate in months. I don't know if it's on purpose or if he really is just that dumb but it certainly feels purposeful given how level headed and good he was prior to looking like an idiot with how his marriage ended. Now he's just a typical Muslim hating clown who can't even debate relationship issues anymore.

[@malissakpadeh8951]

He knows he wrong but too proud to say so. His anger really has to do with what his wife did to him and he's just taking it out on Daisy which is disgusting.

[@jipen]

So if a man convinces a woman to chop of her hand to prove her love and she does it . Then he leaves.. he didn't trick her into chopping her arm off.. in destiny's own words " She Whanted to chop the arm off and she isn't angry her arm is chopped off she's angry the relationship is over " that make sense you any of you? no? destiny is not thinking like a human on this abortion debate

[@Fredy_The_Yeti]

Yeah, Destiny's abortion stance in this combo is insane

[@acason4]

Damn I super disagree with Destiny on the "hail mary" stuff. I'm pro-choice, but it's immoral to mislead someone regarding such a big life decision/consequence. Trying to lie/trick someone into an abortion is immoral by my standard.

[@user-oz3je8vn6t]

ye that was pretty crazy, it's obviously misleading, I even thought he was just doing it to prove alex can't debate even a winning position. It's like saying dine and dasher's aren't tricking restraunts into giving them free food: "hurr they willingly gave you the food"

[@TheMarkBoots]

What is with the charitability for F&F when they don't do the same for Destiny? Kinda seems like he's on their defense.

[@kristianbasile7141]

Yeah Destiny agreed that lying and misleading is immoral. He's simply arguing that it is more immoral to not have the abortion if you're an unwilling and unfit single parent with the other parent not wanting to have anything to do with the child.... which is correct.

[@Hello-ig1px]

@@user-oz3je8vn6t i also thought this was a good point by alex, but then Destiny's counter argument actually did convince me. so i will throw a quicker variation of destiniy's counter argument back. isn't the girl the immoral one for staking the "baby's" life on whether or not Fresh will be in a relationship with her? like she obviously doesnt care about the baby either and is just using it as a bargaining chip, right?

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

​@@TheMarkBootshow dare he have an positive position on someone I don't like

[@brandonmonroe6751]

How can Destiny have a son and still own that position regarding tricking a girl into an abortion? Absolutely hysterical 😂😂😂

[@kebab8660]

because he is resentful his son wasn't aborted

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

​@@kebab8660 no he's not. He was pro life then, and pro choice now.

[@beewest5704]

​@@jaybrosbarber2751So he wished his son was conceived while he was pro choice?

[@brandyuni-gx7uo]

@@kebab8660after this video , i genuinely wholeheartedly believe this.

[@piggytub1]

"I think you hit like 20% of it." Like bruh,what was missed?! Lmao

[@janoschii]

Exactly, thought the same. Clearly a not listening, not understanding, but knowing behavior.

[@WealthEngineering]

@@janoschii Well as he started listing the things they have done he was right...

[@Safsal]

His take on it, he just gave an observation no firm stance

[@AssailantLF]

Imagine actually watching this garbage. I've reached the stage of enlightenment where I click on the video, skim the comments, and decide to not watch it at all. I

[@Ameydusa1]

Why even defend deception and manipulation of ANY kind?

[@KeyJOSH8]

Could it not be plausible that "Hail Mary" girl really did want the kid, and would've keep it even if Fresh didn't stay with her, but his promise of a life together and children in the future convinced her that it's worth getting the abortion? Steve says that since she agreed to the abortion, then she was just using the pregnancy to keep Fresh around. I don't think that assumption is reasonable without having more info.

[@Armlace]

If you want to keep a kid, you are not convinced to abort over a mcd breakfast

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

That is completely possible because the XXers are really Stew.

[@lukasthedark8478]

Because, if you're a woman that doesn't mind having an abortion, there's no reason to keep the baby if the father wants nothing to do with it, you can just have one with the next guy.

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

@@lukasthedark8478 She does mind having an abortion tho

[@at5203]

​@@Armlace Yeah, i'm sure it was the breakfast that did it, my guy. Very smart summary of the situation.

[@ZivRozov]

Kudos to Dr. K who was very patient moderating this debate!

[@durpasaur3052]

She wasnt tricked, she was mislead.... really? Wtf dude

[@BunchyPanther42]

Destiny lost hard, the fact he said a girl choosing to have a child if the father doesn’t want to be involved then that’s some how worse than a guy purposely misleading a girl to get an abortion is insane. And he unironically did what conservatives do which is basically say pro choice is pro abortion like she has to abort if she’s pro choice

[@kristianbasile7141]

No she should abort cause she's un an unfit parent... that's what pro choice is all about. You don't bring a life into the world unless you are committed to sacrifice for it. Abortion is for the benefit of the child who will have a shitty ass life if born.

[@ramikpark8387]

Try sending that in the next livestream and see what happens. I dont know how u couldnt follow the convo

[@BunchyPanther42]

@@ramikpark8387 1) I don’t watch his lives, I just watch the videos that come out. 2) he’ll just say I’m regarded and ban me. Why waste any of our times

[@chancebonnett8641]

Mate that’s nuts saying “tricking a woman to have an abortion” to describe a scenario where a woman uses a baby as leverage against you to force a relationship out of you. Why would she choose to keep a baby only if you break up with her but then be completely fine killing said child as long as you promise to stay with her? It’s obvious that 1. She doesn’t care about the child 2. She has placed you into a no win scenario 3. she’s just using your child as a bargaining chip Most people would “trick” this insane person just out of self preservation

[@BunchyPanther42]

@@chancebonnett8641 thats why I never used the term trick in my comment because that’s dumb, but even in the context of it still being misleading he’s fine with it. Even outside of a woman forcing a relationship using a child he’s still saying pro choice women should just abort if the circumstances aren’t perfect with the relationship

[@michomochiii]

Why are we talking about abortions like it’s a simple vitamin pill? It takes a toll on your whole body and can be very painful. Not only that you have to jump over all the mental hurdles. Tricking or misleading anyone to do something like that is vile.

[@jessiejoy1703]

It’s interesting how destiny talks about the abortion morality in almost a reverse way you would normally think. Like starting at the end and working backwards.

[@thomaslagrange9317]

Alex is right about there being a lot of women being liberal on the question of abortion on others, but are principally opposed to it on themselves.

[@8020drummer]

30:38 agree with Alex here too. I would wager that destiny might change his tune with a few more years under his belt. I’m pro choice but I’d be biased toward a loving single mother who wants a child, and view aborting as a last resort.

[@ramikpark8387]

That's not what's being said and that definitely wasnt the hypothetical scenario given but ok

[@Shellybelly778]

Destiny saying a child needs both parents in the home and calling this woman Daisy a "piece of human filth" while having a child of his own that lives out of state that he barely ever sees is the height of hypocrisy.

[@kyleyoung59]

There is a video with fresh Myron.Andrew and Trista Myron literally called Walter out says that he promises girls the world 2 get in bed

[@peterparker2068]

There appears to be some inconsistency between Myron's recent statements. Six months ago, he expressed concern after KZbin demonetized the Fresh & Fit channel and was crying to ask the audience to follow them to Rumble and support them. However, a few days ago, he mentioned having a real estate portfolio valued at $12 million that generates income. If that's the case then why was he crying six months ago. Make it make sense. Additionally, the location used for filming the podcast, initially described as a "studio," resulted in an eviction after the landlord discovered it was being used for commercial purposes (likely a condo or apartment with HOA restrictions). This situation raises questions about his real estate strategy and potential use of these properties. If he had all those properties six months ago then why did he have to film his postcast at his home.

[@b23beatz]

You're just wrong, he was upset about demonizing because he has a whole team to support and he doesn't want to fire anybody and recommend less on KZbin means he can't help as many people in his opinion. If you watched the entire video you would know that.

[@b23beatz]

Also you're wrong he wasn't evicted they didn't renew his lease and he records from his home because his rent is a tax write-off. You should know your shit before you comment g

[@peterparker2068]

@@b23beatz Given the concerns about KZbin demonetization expressed by Myron for months, it's reasonable to wonder if the team took any pre-emptive measures. They did walk a fine line regarding KZbin's guidelines. Diversification: Did Fresh & Fit explore diversifying their revenue streams beyond KZbin monetization? This could involve sponsorships, merchandise, or other ventures. Content Strategy: Did the team adjust their content strategy to potentially mitigate the risk of demonetization? So what was their goal? If wanted to help more men then wouldn't they hire someone to review their content before broadcast. They can keep the same message but have a different presentation.

[@peterparker2068]

@@b23beatzAre you certain about the lease? Is there evidence that they deliberately chose not to renew it, as opposed to being evicted or forced to leave? It doesn’t seem logical that they simply didn’t renew their lease, especially considering the substantial amount of money they invested in building that studio within the condo. Additionally, it’s important to note that you can only claim a portion of the condo as a tax write-off if you use it as a place of work. Not the entire space qualifies. Furthermore, living in a condo with a homeowners association (HOA) means adhering to specific rules and regulations. Given that this business often hosts loud and potentially disruptive guests, it might not be a prudent move for the owner. It appears more like a startup trying to make the best of the resources available. Are you sure you know about tax wright-offs and the benifits and cons in the decisions F&F made for their business?

[@defconbois]

The best part was hearing "he didnt trick her, he just lied to her for personal gain" like what lol

[@snowcone3573]

Alex did really good here, i tinkle destiny kinda dropped the ball on this one

[@Jackholiday1025]

Destiny is right about daisy though. She’s not the dummy that got played, fresh is.

[@BunchyPanther42]

@@Jackholiday1025 the problem is that he doesn’t hold Walter to the same standards he’s holding Daisy, he’s doing Olympic mental gymnastics to defend Walter’s actions but does whatever he can to make sure Daisy looks like a monster

[@coldsteel9420]

Destiny sees women as authority figures, so any bad situation is always supposedly the woman's fault. It isn't Fresh's fault for lying and love-bombing, it's the woman's fault for listening to him.

[@dylaroo24]

You have to be trolling to come away thinking that’s his opinion. You guys are so invested and heated over Destiny having an opinion you think calling Fresh ever name under the sun and throwing him under the bus is defending him… The issue isn’t that he “love bombed her” the issue is 1. The timeline 2. How unlikely the whole situation is, and 3. We don’t have proof he said he actually wanted kids. What’s more believable, this girl who has been around the world, has a pretty big career in things like modelling and bodybuilding, fell in love with a guy like fresh who’s only redeeming quality is money, and wanted his children within weeks of meeting him? She didn’t think him constantly saying he lies and manipulates women is a red flag, she says he wanted kids but the best she can show is him saying he isn’t worried about her testing positive? Does a guy who is seeing 6 girls at once, sound like a guy who is having serious conversations about having kids? Like the timeline here is super crazy, and extremely unlikely. You can say “some women move fast” 1. This isn’t moving fast, this is basically saying you want to start having kids as soon as you meet someone, and 2. Even if say she moves fast, you have to acknowledge how unlikely it is that she is a women who moves THAT fast. That’s incredibly unlikely, yet you just seem to ignore this and act like it’s certain she has no fault. Saying she has some fault isn’t saying Walter doesn’t have fault too, that is a child’s understanding of blame and fault. Oh and let’s not forget this girl wanted him to buy her an apartment. So if you wanna say “She already has money” 1. That doesn’t mean you aren’t still motivated by money. Money is finite and income can be unstable, plus since she is almost certainly an escort, it’s not surprising her income is unstable, she is 28 or something. Just like you can say “She is worried about running out of time to have a baby” I can say “She is worried about her income stability because she is running out of time to be an escort, that and she probably doesn’t want to do sex work her whole life.”. So she can absolutely be motivated by money here, and the fact she asked for an apartment shows that’s absolutely possible. So what’s more likely, everything I listed above? Or that Walter just hired an escort and got played by her? See how much more simple that is? You seriously think Walter is pulling 6 different girls that are super model attractive? Come on bro… be real…

[@oliverhorn7884]

You clearly didn’t listen to his take. They’re both to blame, but she should’ve expected this with the guy fresh is especially. Also, she (unfortunately) has to be more invested since her biology saddles her with the baby. To be this ignorant I would expect that she’s never talked to him or listened to any of his takes. How do you do that while getting raw-dogged?

[@Jackholiday1025]

Destiny doesn’t think daisy is the idiot that you have to think she is to believe that fresh played her rather than she played fresh.

[@KingstonHawke]

I don’t think that’s it. I don’t think he’s going any further than thinking that he’s likely to be in Fresh’s shoes and wishes women in Daisy’s shoes could be forced to save him money.

[@coldsteel9420]

@@Jackholiday1025 Daisy listening and following Fresh's implied lies and love-bombing is manipulation? To believe that, you'd need to have a boy mentality and see women as authority figures.

[@TheThewhatnow]

Destiny thinks that NOT aborting a baby is evil if the mother is no longer in a relationship with the father. He is now completely unhinged on this subject, it’s hard to listen to him at this point, who hurt this man.

[@modernlegacy5555]

It’s clear at this point that relationship advice is not Destiny’s lane.

[@Syn741]

personally, i think it all changed after the divorce. before the divorce his advice are more or less okay. i don't agree with everything he said. But now, it's a whole different story. His assumption of daisy can be true, that being said, all the available evidence does not point that way. Not only that, the evidence F&F gave doesn't really state anything. the police report doesn't have her name. the "pictures" of her throwing money looks nothing like her. The alledge video of her escorting didn't show her face at all.

[@gingerforninja7576]

Kinda weird that Destiny finds Fresh tricking a girl into getting an abortion "kinda based" but Tate tricking girls into his webcam business is a big no no. Both situations involve manipulating women to the man's benefit and discarding them later, only difference is a law that say what Tate did is illegal (up to Romania court to decide blah blah). Seems like if not for the existance of that law Destiny would think Tate did no wrong in making the girls think he loved them and inviting them to Romania to work for him?

[@gingerforninja7576]

lol alex makes the same argument 15 mins later and destiny's response is "no it's not" xD alex W

[@jad7932]

Alex looks like his brain is rotting in real time.

[@diddlefiggins6557]

Bro looks like he got bit by a zombie

[@CisternRumblings]

​@@diddlefiggins6557 LMFAO BRO CHILL 💀

[@Misterbgone1]

He’s from New Jersey it makes sense

[@MrSemanticprison]

Hes the one guy that does kinda make me think yeah, if that guy can get laid he probably has decent advice. Cuz damn that head must be tough to overcome

[@rexvectum]

He looks like one of those Picasso abstract portraits where every part of somebody's face is pointed in a different direction

[@nicholasg.5441]

Dr. Ks O face really adds to the atmosphere of the conversation

[@jimothyj2638]

If destiny only has a 20-30% conviction rate on this, why has he spent so much time making excuses for fresh? Seems his personal relationship with them is interfering with his judgement imo

[@franklingoodwin]

Someone that has 30% conviction on this does not call anyone involved "subhuman filth".

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

Because people are constantly attacking his position

[@franklingoodwin]

@@jaybrosbarber2751 He chose to put his position in out there and no he's choosing to double down when he doesnt apparently care about it. It's that's the case why is he doing it that instead of of course just saying he doesn't care that his community is giving him pushback? Thats arguing for the sake of it a sign of a overinflated ego.

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

@franklingoodwin write that better please. I'm not trying to have a stroke

[@frogd.k.5079]

This whole situation has been weird and D's been looking worse and worse, I don't understand why he is pretending he's being impartial. I literally couldn't believe at 26:40 when he literally said "No one is tricking anyone, you're just misleading them." Bro, WTF. Hasn't he said himself when you focus on pedantic shit like that, you know you're in the wrong? Bad look, bad take. Just keeps taking these L's for FnF?

[@Fredy_The_Yeti]

You know it's not "being tricked into having an abortion", it's just "having an abortion you wouldn't have had if you hadn't been deceived"... Huge difference 🙄

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

Destiny made zero sense in this debate. He has this charitable view of Wlater, but Daisy is some monster.

[@theanimerapper6351]

Because he's friends with fresh and they defended him against Mel so he's super biased

[@Misterbgone1]

Walter and daisy are both trash people

[@Section8dc]

This whole things seems personal to him

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

@@theanimerapper6351 They seem to be disconnected totally emotionally. I don't think Destiny has any affectiom for Fresh even though he backed him up when Mel went full girl dog on him.

[@Armlace]

Nothing he said was charitable towards fresh lmao. You are lost in schizo world.

[@nickwiener8729]

Destiny, do you think you’re being completely honest about your opinion? Or do you think you are defending your friends, while still not trying to lose face. Not being completely honest with your true opinion because you like Myron.

[@lalalovengun]

At this point, Destiny is just flexing his ability to debate any argument because he’s bored and wants to generate controversial content for views, which is his job;but in this scenario, it’s backfiring because of his audience’s ability to think rationally and critically.

[@TheLumberjack1987]

"If you sacrifice a chocolate cake to save a relationship, then you can't be mad about losing the chocolate cake because it meant nothing to you anyways." You can be mad about a sacrifice, even if you are the one making the sacrifice, that's why it's called a sacrifice, because losing it actually mattered to you. That's why people sacrificed food and other people in the past instead of just a chunk of turd. All that proves is that the relationship was even more important to them than the cake, but that doesn't mean the cake meant nothing. Didn't think Destiny would ever make such stupid arguments.

[@TheLumberjack1987]

"misleading someone about wanting a child and trying to talk them into an abortion after the fact is not tricking them into an abortion" logic went out of the uterus and straight into the trashcan with this one I guess

[@burnbird16]

Hoooooooly you can lie to women to coerce them into having an ab-

[@burnbird16]

Had to stop watching halfway through. This is insane. I don't know if Destiny is doing a massive troll or what, but his abortion coersion take here is so blindly uncharitable and almost misogynistic. I feel mind forked.

[@burnbird16]

Eagerly awaiting the limp duck retraction on this blatantly indefensible take.

[@bradleyharris5241]

Saying that's possible to avoid conceding any point🤓

[@Th33CouchPros]

It feels like destiny is becoming so technical in terms that he just comes off as obtuse when someone is talking about something but doesn't give a perfect example.

[@drawnsequence]

How can anyone give a shit about any of this gossip let alone have a 2 hours conversation? I couldn't make it past 5 minutes

[@stbsole]

Because it’s funny and destiny seems to be one the few folks online who isn’t charitable to daisy at all.

[@deathofthedammed6571]

​@@stbsoleit's not funny, it's pure brainrot

[@AyoT7]

They’re talking about ideas, the fresh stuff is just the backdrop

[@doitlive1279]

I love how Destiny is willing to go off “vibes” when it’s relevant, but then he plays hyper-skeptical scientific method following non-involved emotionally detached, can’t have an opinion on a single point neutered jellyfish ass when he doesn’t want to condemn someone, probably cuz he does the same shit in his life

[@alansnyder9]

The only true answer to this drama is, "Children, youre both awful."