Daughters of Khaine 2022 Review - Warhammer Weekly 05252022

Join us for another week of news, rumors and all things Warhammering! This week, we are getting into the new Daughters of Khaine battletome. That's right, somehow DoK has another book so how did it turn out this time for one of the most consistent factions in AoS? Tune in and find out.
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[@2Tough]

Thank you for the shoutout, and great episode!!! Not sure what the rumor engine is, but it looks rad

[@VinceVenturella]

It's certainly an interesting one for sure.

[@ZK-sz8vs]

i think its funny that between fanatical faith, crown of woe, and khelt nar subfaction you have 50% of nighthaunts new allegiance abiltities.

[@VinceVenturella]

and also that it's not the best choice. ;)

[@bartek_ewertowski]

I think there might be too many elf fans on the design team and the playtesting team.

[@GraemeBradbury]

Little Morathi does get the ward save before transferring the wound to the shadow queen. Core rules states Wards saves before allocating to a model. Section 14.3

[@VinceVenturella]

You are correct, my apologies.

[@drzephy]

for Tyler: I think there was a player on the belgium team that also got a perfect run with BoC. regarding aos worlds, its not the warhammer I want to play but I like to watch it. Kinda like watching high level sports. the pairing bit is really cool and add a lot of strategy to team game cause your trying to maximize the amount of positive matchups. And sometimes you want a minimum amount of points so you look for 2-3 really strong matchup and just "sacrifice" the others. The way the points worked was quite cool as well cause you're incentivised to play all the way and fight for every little point you can bring. (I mostly watched the french coverage so that might have tainted my perception of it cause they didnt really analyse games play by play but rather followed 2 teams from a birds eye view, commenting on lists and matchups and pairing strategies. Makes for more of an emotional coverage, like a sports drama)

[@VinceVenturella]

Your take is almost mine exactly! Fun to watch, not what I want to play. :)

[@GaryP336]

Ah and there always has to be drama on other coverage..

[@veranderaar1]

Hi Vince & Tyler - great show (once again), loved it, and i wish you the best for the succes of the future.

[@VinceVenturella]

Thanks so much!

[@Vinigor222]

Another great show. The “Spanish Inquisition” reference really made me chuckle 🤭

[@VinceVenturella]

Glad to hear it. :)

[@Risiko00]

Hi, great show again. :) What do you recommend to use as chaffe; you didn't mention a good unit for that role? I am looking to running Zaithar Kai and want to protect my reinforced blood sisters. The options I could think of are (all run in min-size): Khinerai: cheap 5 HP on large bases. Heartrenders can shoot and move even more, Lifetaker might survive if the enemy let's them activate by fighting something else first. Blood sisters: 10 HP and fight when they die. Or I ally something in, like Dreadspears: 90pts for 10 wounds on a 4+ Dark riders: 115 pts for 10 wounds on a 4+ with cavalry bases and only 5 models so better conga-lines. Thanks

[@VinceVenturella]

Honestly, the list is long. I think depending on the list, Sisters of Slaughter, doomfire, Khenari - those would be my top 3 and they can all play dual roles which is valuable.

[@Risiko00]

@@VinceVenturella Thanks! I'll playtest your top 3 :)

[@w4rmachine76]

Swip Swap was a phrase I wasn’t expecting to hear today 😂 keep up the good work team ✌️

[@VinceVenturella]

Always happy to help. :)

[@ZacharyEvans]

I explain Spike as "they want the best person to win and they want that person to be them"

[@VinceVenturella]

That's a good summation.

[@kierancotter8778]

Love how you compared the temples to Taylor’s 1989 album Vince. You’ve got taste.

[@mattj2610]

Always great stuff. Would love someday to hear a Tzeentch analysis or fixing Tzeentch one.

[@VinceVenturella]

Great idea for a show.

[@OldManRogers]

The only FAQ I want is one that changes Morathis rend to -3 and then next month another FAQ that is basically GW rolling a D3 to determine her rend each month

[@VinceVenturella]

I cannot love this enough.

[@starslayer2438]

The pattern-seeking part of my brain really wants to sync up the Heartrender and Lifetaker warscrolls by removing the 4+ roll from the latter's Fight and Flight ability. That would also give them a really interesting and rather unique rule. They might have some play then, without being overpowered due to the alternating activations? Or would automatic retreat after fighting be OP (on this unit)?

[@VinceVenturella]

Honestly, I think they could retreat automatically (or they both do it on a 2+ or something) and it would be fine.

[@romanianrambo]

What are peoples thoughts on Hag vs Slaughter on Cauldron? Slaughter does have strike first but at the cost of a prayer slot and sippy cup. Does that feel like it's worth the extra 45points for strike first

[@VinceVenturella]

I like her, but I think most will prefer the Hag,

[@LordAlbrecht]

I'd say the extra 45 points is more for the Orgy of Slaughter command ability

[@ObsidianCrane]

Ward saves are made before Allocation. (14.3) So Little Morathi gets a ward save before the wounds are allocated to the SQ - but SQ cannot Ward those wounds (cannot be negated and too late for Wards).

[@VinceVenturella]

You are correct, I got that wrong in the moment. :)

[@TheRealThirdME]

Would have loved to see, visually, Vince and Chuck lists also. Otherwise great show as always

[@VinceVenturella]

I wasn't sure we'd have time for any lists, but Tyler broke me and I had to put one in. :)

[@TheRealThirdME]

@@VinceVenturella no problem, as long as you sneak them in next week 😁

[@dn8617]

I need an entire 2 hours of Vince ranting about the Slaanesh WD update.

[@VinceVenturella]

I could certainly do so. :)

[@dornjr]

Shout out to Tom Petty's Wildflowers! 💐 Another quality review Team-WW.

[@VinceVenturella]

Thanks again!

[@ringodeathstarr9795]

excelent choice Tyler. i am also a devoited servant of grandfather nurgel. even it is deathguard, nurgel is nurgel. I wish you patience in your painting , death to grey models

[@TylerEmerson]

Thanks! Looking forward to diving in soon.

[@VinceVenturella]

We're all excited.

[@veranderaar1]

TYLER (and Vince) = can i have your estimated points for the units of Tyler's Tombkings Warscrolls (from the AOS first edition). If i want to use the following 4 units as an add on for Ossiarch Bonereapers... what points would they be in the new third edition of AOS? - Necrosphinx (440 points in 1st AOS) - Sepulchral Stalkers (140 points in 1st AOS) - Necrolith Collossus (220 points in 1st AOS) - Bone Giant (200 points in 1st AOS) what points would you give these units in AOS 3rd Edition - if the Magic Spells on the Warscroll Cards are ignored? what would you point these units if you want to field them in OBR? it would mean the world to me (and a friend) if you would lent us your professional advantage :) Thanks so much (in any case!) D & N

[@veranderaar1]

if you want you can also give me your estimation for the units - if we keep the spells (in the game) If this all is asking to much - i understand life is full of adventures (and we cannot have them all :) Keep up all the good work Vince Tyler Tom and all the Guests

[@veranderaar1]

Tomb Scorpions (80 points in 1st AOS)

[@veranderaar1]

what would you price them now in AOS 3rd?

[@VinceVenturella]

My honest answer is I wouldn't even be sure, if you're using them in a fun game, you're probably good to just use the legacy points.

[@robenzi]

Did i miss Vinces own list? Or it wasn´t mentioned?

[@VinceVenturella]

Cut for time. ;) - But I will talk about it in a future show. :)

[@robenzi]

@@VinceVenturella cool! Do you minde posting the list, very intrested in your take on the stabby snakes. And thanks for the great content and awesome people you bring on the show! 👊🏻

[@Sarkhamy]

So. Rules as written, you cannot spike Morathi off of the board in one round. So while the wounds allocated to Morathi are instead allocated to the Shadow Queen, The Iron Heart of Khaine states that no more than three wounds can every be allocated to her. So 6 wounds are allocated to Morathi, Two bodies one soul activates. You now attempt to pass 6 wounds to the Shadow Queen. Wounds ALLOCATED this way can't be negated. The Iron Heart of Khaine ability then says "Okay, only three mortal wounds are ALLOCATED". The remaining wounds aren't allocated at all and are therefore negated.

[@VinceVenturella]

I tend to agree with you, the challenge is, that pesky wording that the wounds that transfer cannot be negated, so the trigger clause that the more than 3 allocation is using (that they are negated) - would seem to be prevented. Again, people are reading it both ways, I understand why people are reading it both ways - it doesn't matter, it will be FAQd.

[@nickr689]

IT looks like GW is finally figuring out how to create good army books where each army can utilize many of their troops and still be viable. Looking forward to the ogor book and hopefully Gluttons and Ironguts can get more play :)

[@VinceVenturella]

I completely agree.

[@hailhydra7959]

Only if they get the Aelf keyword

[@jonfisher4106]

Is the rumour engine Kharadron Overlords?

[@VinceVenturella]

I suppose it could be, all their laws and codes being weighed???

[@nicksurename5392]

I think at this point Morathi and the bow snakes isn't the best build, the other units are so cheap and buffable that you'll have a better (and probably more fun for both players) time with absolutely stacked Melee snakes and Witch aelves.

[@VinceVenturella]

I agree

[@nnssggop3087]

I'm hoping the rumor engine is a typewriter of a new Inquisitor army for KT or 40k :poggers:

[@VinceVenturella]

Nailed it.

[@briochepanda]

I'm aware we call them bow snakes but I motion we move to calling them snarchers.

[@VinceVenturella]

That's very solid.

[@Clintv42]

So why are the phychographic profiles Johnny, Timmy, and Spike? Spike kind of works to match a name with the profile but Johnny and Timmy, might as well be Bob and Bill. The name does nothing to communicate the profile. Vince, the burden falls to you to right the wrong of Magic.

[@VinceVenturella]

I will contact Mark Rosewater immediately, ;)

[@bartek_ewertowski]

How is the High Gladiatrix cheaper than my crappy Beastlord. :(

[@VinceVenturella]

I have no answers.

[@hailhydra7959]

It’s the Aelf Keyword

[@davidblenner9082]

Is this the new ASMR Tyler?

[@TylerEmerson]

:) Have been under the weather.

[@VinceVenturella]

I think he's opened up a whole new career. ;)

[@davidblenner9082]

@@TylerEmerson hope you feel better bud. This just reminds me of when pheobi on friends gets a cold and then gets a sweet singing voice. You get a cold and get a sweet ASMR setup lol

[@ghostmutton]

Cobra Kai returns with a vengeance

[@VinceVenturella]

You aren't wrong.

[@Erikjust]

First Hobgoblins and now a warband with Azgorh or something sounding very much like it in their name... Hmm are you trying to hint at a return of an old faction GW? If they return i can only say first squats and now this whats next dare we hope for a Female Felinid warband?

[@VinceVenturella]

I suppose anything is possible

[@AVS_uk]

I think I'm a Timmy that only wants to play with other Timmys. And I suspect that makes me a bad opponent

[@VinceVenturella]

I mean, not as long as your playing other Timmy's - the key is to allow your opponents to enjoy the game in their own way as well when you do find yourself against them. :)

[@cmleibenguth]

Nighthaunt - Ghosts be Spooky Daughters of Khaine - Don't step on Snake Fyreslayers - Full of hot air All 3 --- Have better command traits and artifacts than Stormcast (even Fyreslayers, whom I think have fun rules but not enough to boost them above where they were, have good command traits and artifacts) A Stormcast general is one of the following: - A Lord Relictor with High Priest trait and Mirror Shield artifact - A Wizard with Master of Magic, bonus points if it was actually a Wizard without Arcane Tome artifact As for Snake Girls --- I think their mortal wound trick is more of an Evil Glare / Laser Eyes than a Bad Touch

[@VinceVenturella]

They originally called it crystal touch. Hence the bad touch. ;)

[@dannythompson9642]

👍👍

[@VinceVenturella]

:)

[@garystephen8718]

Like because Vince told me to. And I hate DoK, like Rats and I'm sure a few other reasons. :)

[@VinceVenturella]

All good reasons.

[@phoulmouth]

Interesting play challenge? Sure, for the opponents, but Vincy, seriously, SQ does nothing but promote poor play from the person using her. Have you ever played a DoK player using SQ who didn't plow her right into the middle of your primary forces regardless of what is there? And even worse, now she has 2 rend. I think the wording is on purpose. You cannot focus fire SQ to kill her, you need to focus fire MK to kill her. Now it will promote "good play" by having SQ play seek and destroy on the targets that could feasibly seek and destroy MK, while you do everything you can to protect MK. DoK player might have to use this little thing called "strategy" now.

[@gnguyen4076]

Dont worry its just an order and aelf things, they are better so you NEED to play better than them :')

[@VinceVenturella]

I understand everything you're saying, but it will be changed by FAQ, it's just not how they operate.

[@phoulmouth]

@@VinceVenturella I dunno, if they wanted her to continue to function the way she did all they had to do was copy/paste the wording they had. But they changed it, I have to think changing it was on purpose.

[@niilofriden4465]

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[@VinceVenturella]

:)

[@Mnil7]

This book is so OverPowered...

[@VinceVenturella]

Interesting, it seems within bounds - what makes you think so?

[@Mnil7]

@@VinceVenturella almost only improvements after last book. CAs Artfcs and Battle tactics out of this world