Dean Park Station Video 80 - Rapido's APT-E Review

[@jasonfernee2401]

Wonderful layout and what an amazing looking and detailed APT-E. Great video mate.

[@DeanPark]

Hi. Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it :-) Dave

[@edforcer1340]

Hi Dave Thanks for taking the time to review this excellent model. I remember well the furore over these and HST prototypes, the latter being a treat to "spot" going past my primary school window in somerset (which will account for my lack of concentration at those times). I also remember the nonsense of giving the Journo's a free bar. Hungover Hacks slated the tilting mechanism when in all probability it was them who was wobbly and not the train but the political situation in Britain being what it was, the loudest voices were heard. Then we gave away the technology for free, buying it back at great expense with later stock. Enough of that, you have a grand model, well worth the investment and thanks again. Cheers!

[@bentompkinson4572]

Great video as always Dave. Brilliant model, amazing detail. Looks great flying around your layout!

[@470danadidas]

An amazing piece of British engineeering.. and an equally amazing layout with superb attention to detail .

[@angusstewart6213]

Been waiting for this video.....and it was well worth it. A great review and run. What a fantastic model

[@kirbyparkwest4392]

Rapido have made a great model. I'm waiting for their version of the prototype HST to be made.

[@AndyHudson-ModelRailwayBuilds]

looks great Dave, very nice loco and very well suited to your layout, loved the shots under the canopy roof in the station, had mine delivered now, but not even taken it out the box, great review top job Andy

[@runtonpark7585]

Great vid, very nicely done Dave. Superb model, I was too late for one of these, but then again I was bricking it putting a Bachmann two car 101 set together so probably just as well!

[@darrelldeltic807]

Hi Dave, just looks at home on your awesome layout, I've still got mine in its box, just need to get started on a new layout ! Great review and running session 👍 cheers Dazza

[@kirktonroadjunction193]

Excellent review Dave, it is a cracking model.. I got mine around 5 weeks ago and it's still in it's box, however after seeing all the videos that people have been uploading on here, I'm beginning to think that I'm the only one that's bought the non sound version. Think it's time I contacted legoman and have the sound put in mine!

[@MotoCrazy66]

Astonishing detail, especially having a post-bird strike example!

[@JamesStJunction00]

Great review Dave for a great model, like the voice over at the end, just gutted I missed out on getting one.... Steve

[@sparky107107]

very sharp looking , great on detail for sure ,, my only thing is I would want 2 more passenger wagons with it ,, just a little bit longer , great treat you got yourself , thanks for sharing

[@DeanPark]

Cheers, glad you like it as much as me. Dave

[@DudleyCentral]

Nice review Dave, I liked the little 70s voice over bit right at the end. Joe

[@davegower6919]

A fantastic train and a fantastic model. Thanks for clearing up the reason why one of the power cars had one windscreen wiper and the other had two. I think the sound would drive me nuts after a while but all in all a a quality bit of kit, though I see that someone disagrees with a thumbs down. LOL.

[@DeanPark]

Yeah thank god you can turn the sound off. I will be turning it down when I get a long enough programming track wired u to let me change the CV's! Dave

[@jshawsteam87]

love the cheesy 70s intro at the end really suited it looks like a very nice model

[@DeanPark]

Yeah, making that bit was a bit of fun!

[@chazzyb8660]

14:09 - I was quite surprised the guys on the platform didn't jump out of their skins when the engines started up. Then I remembered its "just" a model!

[@DeanPark]

Chazzy B haha! Sometimes we can forget what we are watching isn’t real. :-) Dave

[@quarryfield]

Great review Dave. Love the ending :-)

[@robmasterman]

A truly outstanding model Dave, and what better layout to run this magnificent Beast than Dean Park...Great camera work, and a wonderful touch at the end....Regards...Bob

[@DeanPark]

Hi, thanks Bob, I did enjoy making this video and had fun with the end bit. There is not much in the way of videos on the APT-E, so I am sure I'm not the only one to use this sound clip. Cheers. Dave

[@emoh8765TinsleyTmd_YardModel]

Looks great Dave I've just picked up one of these on e bay lol £400 they are very well made love it

[@DeanPark]

That's a bargain...some on ebay were going for £700, which is ridiculous!

[@sub39h]

Great video of your worst kept secret new model lol. I couldn't justify getting one, but your video does make me a little envious!

[@DeanPark]

Hi, yeah the worst kept secret. I like it, I dont really think I 'needed' it, but something different is nice.

[@TheDarkstranger101]

Awesome, want one, thanks for the video, keep up the good work.

[@kenr86]

It looked really good on the layout - great video as usual. That's a ridiculous amount of overhang at the snout...

[@DeanPark]

It is isnt it....but luckily its clears all of my line side items, but I will be sure to be careful when I add in more details later....I will have to make sure it's APT-E Proof!! Dave

[@howarth004]

As you say Nice Model ....not for a lot of layouts though ..but on a large layout ...superb

[@crazyvec]

Looks a great model, layout is looking good as well

[@Cliffjumper24]

Excellent review video Dave... the end was clever! Small criticism....no APT's hold any speed records to this day. The APT-E you reviewed did set a record of 152.3mph in 1975, but this was beaten in 1979 by an APT-P doing 162.2mph, which it held until 1992 when a shortened Mk4 set reached 162mph in 1992. It wasn't until the opening of HS1 (stage 1) was completed in 2003 that the US rail speed record was broken again, when standard maximums of 186mph were achievable for the Eurostar.... ...but a train achieved 208mph during testing of the line. The class 374 'Eurostar e320' trains have a normal maximum speed of 200mph, so we may yet see another UK rail speed record!

[@DeanPark]

I meant to add "for a gas turbined engine".

[@Cliffjumper24]

DaveClass47 Ah. Gotcha. That won't be hard.... If I recall, there have only ever been 3 Gas-Turbine locos/trains in the UK

[@AndyG73]

If only they all could be fully restored ([both the E and the P] and more - new equivalent parts for old that might boost the performance) and go for a race down the East Coast Main Line (nice and straight, and by chance, near me!). Winner gets to go up against the Eurostar. Imagine all four lines out of Kings Cross being commandeered by them and the Flying Scotsman and full speed! I missed the chance to have a ride on the APT-P, so I'll have to content myself with playing with my OO version and maybe a trip to the Crewe Heritage Museum. Great layout and set up there, Dave.

[@alanpwhelan]

Great video and review. Liked & subbed 👍🏻

[@DeanPark]

Alan Whelan Cheers Alan. It’s a great model... I should really run it more often :-) A warm welcome to Dean Park. I really hope you enjoy my work. Cheers. Dave

[@cedarcam]

This train was light years ahead of its time and would certainly of been up there with Concorde (Ha ha ) if they had come into full service. True there were many problems but they were overcome in the end. It was limited in which lines it could run on because of the huge amount of overhang on the nose but they got round that with the Eurostar sets that ran on the East Coast route so could of done the same with these. As for the model I am pleased to see you did not have problems running it through Dean Park. It looks great on your layout with the large radius curves you have. I am sure you will not want to put it back in the box for a while now

[@Pmjs]

GNERs White Rose couldn't go North of Newcastle which was a pity it would've been great to see it in Edinburgh.

[@cedarcam]

That's true. I was lucky enough to have ridden on them a few times but never got as far as Newcastle on one. A lot of money was spent in preparation of introducing a full service but sadly it never happened. The sets are still being used in France today

[@DeanPark]

Hi, I am scared to put it back in the box as the connection clips are a nightmare to connect and disconnect! lol. Dave

[@cedarcam]

LOL I have still got mine on the layout as well Same reason. I have a triangle so it is able to stay there and I can still get round it into the station past either end of it

[@tomlee9534]

I have mine. I haven't chipped it yet - could be my first full fat sound model if I save up to get the sound from Legomanbiffo. Should be worth it. I hadn't seen any others with more than the two coaches. I've got five! My layout isn't finished though.

[@gregmcculloch582]

I was really impressed with the C.R.T. display for the old computers - can remember them well - used to work for the Dataspace Division of Dataset, @ Newcastle-under-Lyme,which was a wholly owned division within I.C.L. in the early 70's. For the price of the model there should have been some "Boffin's" around the C.R.T. displayed plus some "hanger-on's" in the coach area. would have only need about a dozen "people" to complete the model. Being a U.S. modeler I love Rapido equipment...., however the costs here down-under are horrendously high.... still love 'em.

[@DeanPark]

Hi, yeah a few guys working inside would have been cool! Dave

[@LaytonJunction]

awesome review Dave, unfortunately to big for my small layout, but looks brilliant on yours mate.

[@jamesmarris4291]

Supurb video and review Dave, as always. Thanks for sharing and was a great surprise to see it available on youtube this morning to watch during breakfast here in NZ. Will you be able to run trains on the other track at the same time, or will the overhang get too close. Cheers and what a wonderfull layout to test the APT-E.

[@michelegianni389]

Great video. The model is awesome.

[@Pmjs]

I joined BR 1986 became a Conductor 1989. I remember trains used to have a Driver& Second Man.

[@garystevens4303]

So CDU is just screwed with the one accessible screw hole? I just got my gauge master CDU's & see only one hole has access with a screwdriver. No cleaning fluid for wheels? Just a brush? Thanks for prompt reply. If I'm asking too many questions tell me to get lost! I get inspired to make the time & get on with it after watching yours & others on KZbin. Thanks.

[@DeanPark]

Hi the Capactior Discharge Unit is wired between the 12/16v power supply and the power wires going to the point motors. The CDU just stores energy to give the points a bit of extra 'kick' when flicking the switch. The CDU will have instructions with it. I just screw the CDU to the underside of the baseboard. Or use sticky back tabs to hold it to the baseboard. Just a brush is fine. I use the track magic with a small cotton bud type thing to clean wheels too.Cheers.

[@philsrailway5910]

I was at Reading station where it stopped for a while before it went on its way it blue us away , the noise was incredible, so much optimism in those days concord apt.e ,hst, space race, Beatles, what happened.

[@DeanPark]

Money and national debt, the environment and the online technology boom…that’s what happened! :-( In many respects I’d have loved to have been there when all these things were happening, ok we risked being nuked by the Russians but we had so much optimism and took bold steps. Now all we do is sit and watch 24hr news channels, sit on Facebook and moan. 😆

[@philsrailway5910]

@@DeanParkMost of it boils down to greed I'm affraid. On a better note, im slowly getting through your vids, i've been through Chadwick raìlways, Everard junction, 00 Neal, all so realistic, fascinating, and inspiring, since covid I've got back into model railway's after 8 years of not doing a lot . Because of you guys and many others out there I might rip it all out and start again with all the knowledge you have all imparted, it's giving me the confidence to do it . Too all of you out there thank you and keep it up you all give so much and you all make a difference.

[@andrewstevenson5449]

Terrific model. But the mischievous bit of me would want to replace its running noise with that of a steam loco. Imagine people's eyes when this still modern train started chuffing! Good review. Did you have to build it its own siding to avoid taking it on and off the track?

[@garystevens4303]

Was you station bought off the shelf or have you custom made it? Looks massive. Good realism. Do you use CDU's to power your points? If so how did you fix them to baseboard? Also what is best DIY method you have found for cleaning locos wheels? Cheers.

[@DeanPark]

Hi. thanks for your questions. I will try to answer them!.....ok....1)station is scalescemes kits, but heavily adapted for my needs.2) CDU's on upper level points, (Gaugemaster ones). Lower points will get a CDU fitted this year. It does make a difference!3) Point motors are screwed to the underside of the baseboard. One CDU is fine for the points. One CDU has enough grunt to allow you to throw 6 point motors all at once...but who does that?! lol4) Cleaning wheels....I have a peco brush and scraper which I connect to track, lie loco on its side and clean them that way. However the TRIX or Gaugemaster wheel cleaners look a lot easier, so might invest in one of those! I also wipe the wheels with Deluxe Materials "Track Magic", using the small tools you get when you buy the bottle.Hope this helps?Dave

[@nigelcarter9503]

Nice model. Great sound.

[@johnclass8794]

Nice model mate, looks really good on the layout, have you run it on your super elevation, if so does it tilt well? Loving the synthesiser music, that's probably a well watch KZbin clip now this model has arrived!!!!! Looking forward to seeing what you've done on the layout, 😉

[@ScottDowneywoundedbear]

Beautiful model. Rapido makes sure they get all details correct before they sell their models. The 3D scan really helps with the detail. Jason always puts humour in the manuals. What do you expect for a guy that has a passenger coach in his basement and buys real passenger coaches. Scott

[@DeanPark]

lol, yeah they have great attention to detail. Dave

[@daviemaclean61]

An interesting and well made loco. Bit rich for my analogue tastes!

[@DeanPark]

Bit rich for most of us, lol. But I was just thinking, its motored in power power cars, with sound in both power cars...plus it has two coaches. If I was to buy two sound locos they would cost me about £230 EACH, then add on two Bachmann coaches at £35 each.....when you think about it like that, the £325 for the APT-E is a bargain!

[@daviemaclean61]

True, when you look at it that way! It would be wasted on my "old school" layout though. Maybe one day I'll go digital, but not with the current space I have available. Carry on the good work and reviews

[@alness1289]

APT-E question: Are your points streamline? I have suffered derailments on facing points Hornby

[@DeanPark]

I use streamline peco. Hornby points aren’t the best.

[@alanmurphy4931]

Another great model and review, the sounds are great as well as the interior detail, how does it go with train travelling in the opposite direction on the corners with such a long over hang?.........Al

[@DeanPark]

Hi....I went about this very carefully....it does clear other trains on the curves (as I laid them allowing for the long MK4 coaches to clear each other), but it only just clears them. Therefore, when the APT-E is running I tend to stop traffic on the opposite line! Just one of the design issues that APT-E presents at 00 gauge! Cheers Al. Dave

[@mayhewjunction9429]

Great model Dave, wish I had ordered one of these now! Does that overhang clear anything else coming in the opposite direction on a bend?? Looks close. Cheers Howard.

[@DeanPark]

Yes.....BUT, I wouldn't want two trains passing at speed....just in case lol. Dave

[@garystevens4303]

What's the length of the APT-E from end to end please?

[@andrewharrison5983]

The story about the windscreen wiper is true, the bird strike happened on a very high speed test run.

[@thomasbrigham6321]

You could use build a experimental facility by the east end of the station to fill the gap and store the loco in

[@DundeeRoad]

Lovely train I agree it's a special train!

[@GregPalmer1000]

Great review for a great loco, Rapido's next model for oo is go8ng to be the prototype Hst power cars.

[@DeanPark]

Yeah and I am watching closely so I know when I can pre order one! Dave

[@GregPalmer1000]

+DaveClass47 Dont blame you, its like their North Anerican stuff once its produced thats it no more, like their CP The Canadian sets, superb but no longer avail. Rapido are currently restoring a full size x cn sleeping car and the Budd railcar, in fact they were looking for volunteers this weekend to help sand down the sleeper for getting it ready for painting, thought about going but dont fancy the 3 hour drive lol

[@trainmanbob]

Noisy but nice Dave lol. Did you get earplugs with it? Cheers, Bob

[@DeanPark]

lol, I wish I had. I will be turning the sound down a bit. Dave

[@Jarmy05]

This train is at locomotion in shildon I have sat in the cab

[@jessesim9906]

looks awesome Dave!! now now more work less play ;) jesse

[@garystevens4303]

Oh OK £300. Not bad when you consider you can pay £200 or more for a standard loco with sound. I think £300 seems reasonable. I wish I had known about it two years ago. How did you hear about it & the process for buying it etc? Your bloody great station looks good.

[@DeanPark]

Hi, I just recall going on to the Locomotion website and seeing it and thinking 'I'm having some of that!'. When you put it that way, £300 is a steal....your technically getting 2 sound fitting/motor driven locos and two carriages for £325. With £50 for the extra power car! Not bad at all.

[@garystevens4303]

I saw Everard junction got his a few weeks ago too.

[@DeanPark]

Hi, yeah, I'm sure there are others just as good if not better. Many guys have uploaded their APT-E models on their layouts. Some of the layouts suit the APT-E, others not so much.

[@MiltonMoJunction]

I slipped up on that one, did not realise how good they would be and did not order one, I regret it now. Never mind. Robin

[@DeanPark]

You are not the first one to say that. I am also ordering the prototype HST which is being released by Locomotion/Rapido next year....cant pre order one yet, but hopefully news will come through soon! Don't miss out on that one! Dave

[@MotoCrazy66]

Hello sir! I was around in the 70s, only from aged 4 to 14, but i can confirm what you said, it was shit! Thankfully i was just a kid then. Good vid as per usual.

[@DeanPark]

lol, yeah the 70's was a disgraceful decade for Britain. Thank goodness the 80's were better, when I was growing up. The railways were run down but we had the HST to keep us happy lol. Dave

[@Pmjs]

I'm more familiar with the InterCity APT-P. Many of the APT technology's are shared with the Class 91 225 trains except the tilting mechanism.

[@garystevens4303]

How much were they to buy pre order?

[@DeanPark]

£100

[@AmauryJacquot]

considering the politics of the projects, I suspect the manufacturer of the HST was friends with Maggie

[@DeanPark]

I’m not sure if Maggie Influenced the HST project as she was only voted in as Pm in 1979, by which time the HST’s were pretty all delivered to BR. The underfunding for the APT project was under the previous government. However given the amount of tax payers money that had been spent on APT I suspect governments of any colour would have written the project off by the early 80’s. Either way, A real shame for British railways.

[@AmauryJacquot]

@@DeanPark she was elected to parliament in 1959, and the leader of the conservatives since 1975... plenty of time there...

[@JH4181]

great ending to the vid

[@DeanPark]

Cheers, I really enjoyed making that bit lol. Dave

[@southwalesrailproductions8748]

sunning loco there Dave must have cost a fortune.......jordan

[@DeanPark]

£375....it was a treat I saved up hard for! Well chuffed with it. Dave

[@southwalesrailproductions8748]

DaveClass47 looks stunning ..jordan

[@redflag1964]

You bemoan the union activities of the 70s but without the sacrifices made by trade unionists we would not have the rights at work that so many enjoy today, like paid holiday, bank holidays, weekend pay, maternity leave, sick leave, health and safety legislation and much more. ASLEF, RMT, NUR, and TSSA have a proud tradition of defending workers rights on the railways and the story of railways is more about the men and women that ran the service than it is about the fat cats who sit in their offices counting the cash.

[@DeanPark]

Hi, I am not bemoaning all union activities, but in the case of the railways in the 1970's (as some other industries) they held the country to ransom. They had, you could argue too much power and in the end brought about their own demise in many cases. As for the railway, they resisted modernisation in many cases. I am not going to get into a political debate about unions. This is a model railway channel. There were no fat cats in British Rail in the 1970's...it was a nationalised industry, so it does not compare to todays railway, which is run for the shareholders.

[@redflag1964]

I can't tell you how sick I am of the "held the country to ransome" quote.

[@redflag1964]

Really enjoy your channel but can't agree with your assesment of history.

[@DeanPark]

We clearly disagree on UK history. Thanks for your support of my train layout. I think we should draw a line under the historic side of things where unions, private enterprise and governments are concerned.

[@daviemaclean61]

An interesting and well made loco. Bit rich for my analogue tastes!