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[@LiftingVeganLogic]

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[@PercivalBlakeney]

@@LiftingVeganLogic "It is of interest to note that while some dolphins, are reported to have learned English - up to fifty words, used in correct context - no human being has been reported to have learned *dolphinese*." - Carl Sagan. A man b×llsh×tting a defence of his lousy habits, can't be bothered learning another language… _quelle sur-f×××in'-prise_. "How was I supposed to know she was saying «No!»? I don't speak Vietna-f×××in'-mese!". - Anonymous American soldier- My Lai (c.1968). "If she'd 've gotten out the way when I yelled at her, she'd still be alive right now." - Charlie Alliston (London Crown Court, 2017). 😔

[@VeganV5912]

@Sara Andersson Time-lapse, Deer 🦌🐛🦟🤢🤮 kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6Xad3xoZpWgl9k .. Pig, Time-Iapse 🐷🦠🤮 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaWuZH6diLJ7m5Y !!!! That’s why I’m vegan !!! No fibre if you eat animals, stays in your body and rots away !!!!!! We’ve got long long guts. Flat teeth 🦷. Little flat teeth 😬. Moving left and right |-_| . We are herbivores. Like monkeys and Orangutans and Bonobos and Gorillas ✅❤️😬🐒🐵🦍👫. Gorillas don’t eat animals, 1% cancer in the wild !!!! Vegan 4% cancer !!! We choose to be Meat eaters, and get cancer and heart attack and high blood pressure and Alzheimer’s and dementia because fat deposits clog your arteries in your brain in your heart and down there, fIaccid👇p😫nis eating corpses !!!! And meat eaters, 51% death rate !!!! That is extremely high for a frigging hamburger etc !!!! When you can have vegan hamburgers and vegan chicken and vegan pizza and vegan curry and vegan tacos and vegan burritos etc !!!!! What if it was you, the victim 🤥🔴. You wouldn’t do that to your cute little dog😍🤗🐶🤥!!!! Think about the animal, not you, 😢!!!! KZbin delicious vegan food !!! Time to change !!!! Pandemic is animals !!!!

[@VeganV5912]

@@LiftingVeganLogic You hurt innocent animals for a 5 minute burger etc ??. Cutting down the rainforest for cows and chicken etc, over a freaking burger etc. 10-15 times as much grains 🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾🌾...🌾 for one steak 🥩 !!!! That is Eviiil !!!! “Since 1978, over 289,000 square Miles, of Amazon rainforest have been destroyed” kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpLIc2eOgtuNia8 . You can have vegan hamburgers and vegan chicken and vegan pizza and vegan curry and vegan burritos etc. KZbin delicious vegan food. Which side of history are you on ?? Time to change ✅😉

[@KINGANIMEREVIEW]

@@LiftingVeganLogic You’re question is easy. What’s the moral difference between humans & animals? Humans are a completely different life form created in the image of God, and thus it’s evil/sinful/against God’s will to hurt or kill us. Funny how you thought that question was like impossible to logically answer or something. Also I have a question, do you support abortion? If you’re answer is yes then you’re hypocritical. Also don’t plants feel pain too???

[@jjbenna]

Suddenly everyone is a rodent and crop advocate and only gets their meat from a happy neighbor farm that they frequent. If this is the case why is there mile long lines at in N out Burger and why are pest control companies still in existence?

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

I’ve noticed this too… the ones that aren’t buying happy, organic “only locally sourced” cows are hunting like it’s 1899. Why do grocery stores even need an animal flesh section when everyone is so pious?!

[@Berserk1Manga]

@@seitanbeatsyourmeat666 umm maybe because we don't have money for animals and expensive land to place them on???

[@jayz8839]

It's pointing out the hypocrisy in your religious ideology, according to you it's not OK to kill an animal for food, it is for tech. Most would argue food is more of a necessity to survival than your Iphone, closet full of clothes when you could survive with a few different garments, could use kerosene lamps, could not go overseas because you aren't that important, etc etc but vegans see these luxuries as necessities for survival apparently.

[@vegan-rising]

I can't keep count how many times I've heard the "I only get my meat from locally sourced cruelty free farms" or "I hunt the meat myself". It's like non-vegans have run out of arguments and are just downright lying their asses off at this point to justify their meat addiction.

[@Jvegan32]

Hey @lifting Vegan Logic, I am the caller in this video. Thanks for covering it!

[@LiftingVeganLogic]

Will add to pinned comment 👍🏼

[@jasminejohnson8051]

🔥🔥🔥was a great question man, sorry he avoided your question and then said you didn't answer his question🤣😅 good work👍

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

You are a legend for owning him.

[@Empathy4Animals411]

@jvegan32 That's great you brought this to his attention, but you need to work on people like Ben Shapiro, who's much smarter than this Pakman guy. Maybe after his endorsement for "Good Ranchers" ends.

[@JL-zm6md]

Great job Jvegan

[@stove5035]

As a minor critique of the caller, I don't think it makes sense to talk about "standard practices" because it lets your interlocutor make the claim that what they support isn't standard. We could be talking about "required practices," meaning killing, calf separation, and harm from laying eggs that's entailed even in backyard scenarios

[@veganm8918]

Some of the smartest people are incredibly ignorant when it comes to animal agriculture.

[@barbaraibiel]

He is not that smart.

[@danielyousif7049]

IGNORant

[@tinyjungle_]

Willfully ignorant*

[@dillonbija9592]

@@barbaraibiel DPak is one of the best voices out there.

[@barbaraibiel]

@@dillonbija9592 Voices for what? Stupidity?

[@nenadjuric8824]

Thank you for doing this. These people are brainwashed beyond belief. They can't think critically if their lives depended on it. With the content you're creating, even they might have a chance. Thanks again for your effort. It is much appreciated.

[@redpillpusher]

unfortunately, its worse than brainwashing its cultural norm. cultural norms trains us to protect cultural norms at the expense of critical thinking. critical thinking and reducing our biases is learned and its a hard lesson most of the time.

[@Libb-oleffub]

It is beyond belief how you don’t understand that abusing animals is wrong. Yes, how do you justify taking someone else’s life. That’s a normal question. So if humans are giving you all the nutrients, it justifies you to murder people or enslave them, kidnap them and rape them, eat them? How come you don’t understand? Are you really that stupid? Who’s the real narrow minded one here?

[@Libb-oleffub]

What a nonsense, 60-90% of crops, monocrops, are to feed the billions of farm animals we breed into existence. You think you are smart, but in fact you are stupid.

[@xnellyxs1]

Beyond redemption

[@barbaraibiel]

He doesn't know where his food is coming from. He is just lying.

[@LouisGedo]

Moral justification isn't related to someone else........it's related to your own consistency or lack thereof

[@user-lu6cy7hm2t]

great quote..

[@himasf]

Thanks for making this video! David got roasted in the comments section by his followers and I wish he would address the counter points from them and this video. 🤞

[@isaacperalvillaverde1986]

This just goes to show that society needs more education on what it takes for animal products to get to your table

[@WeissM89]

10:17 "5 monoculture crops"! Does he really believe there are only 5 edible plants? Who has a highly restrictive diet, again?

[@komfyrion]

Oat, soy, rice, almonds and uhh, cashews are the only 5 crops. Check the plant milk aisle of your local supermarket and I think you will find that this is true.

[@GaryHighFruit]

"Does he really believe there are only 5 edible plants" That sounds like how we feed the farm animals.

[@py16667]

It never ceases to amaze me how dense & willing to throw away logic as well as empathy some people can be when debating about veganism. Any rational thinker knows it’s wrong & unjustifiable even if they continue supporting it

[@joejosephi]

Oh wow, I actually didn't even expect that the 80/20 rule applied to agriculture as well. 80% of the calories are produced from 20% of the land

[@LiftingVeganLogic]

Yup, such an insanely ridiculous system for food production.

[@mischabloor7194]

David’s arguments are so disappointing 😮! It was quite sad to watch. How can he claim he looked into this and then comes with such nonsense? !

[@eliasshakkour2904]

What arguments would you have found not disappointing?

[@rollsaroundindirt]

every carnist conveniently forgets that animals need to eat too. They focus on grass fed beef but chickens and pigs can't live on grass

[@starojunes]

Everytime a person says they only eat a little bit of meat need to be shown slaughterhouse footage and told the animals they buy still suffer. Animals killed for food are never "a little bit dead". He also said he only eats a little bit of red meat. I would ask him why are chickens and fish not deserving of compassion.

[@tinymcgoo1195]

You are correct, they are "a lot dead". Dead animals do not suffer. Dead animals do not care if they are eaten.

[@planetofthevegans880]

"I only eat a little red meat" -- The fish and chickens all bleed red too.

[@JL-zm6md]

"I've read a lot about this" he says. Were they coloring books with smiling farm animals?

[@Empathy4Animals411]

By this "logic," Pakman thinks it's okay to stab human babies because they can only make unintelligible gurgling sounds. And please define "stupid." Just because someone can construct sentences does not necessarily mean they're "not stupid."

[@barbaraibiel]

Like most meat eaters, he assumes that the animals he eats lived on nothing but air. Yeah, cows, pigs, cows and other animals exploited by animal agriculture don't need to eat anything.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Grass and hay is fine

[@barbaraibiel]

@@x-latetv-x6816 They require land, fertilizers and water to grow. Those are crops that need to be grown.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@barbaraibiel everything requires something

[@barbaraibiel]

@@x-latetv-x6816 Yes, but we choose that, which is most efficient. Growing food for animals, and then eating these animals is less efficient that eating the plant food directly.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@barbaraibiel not everyone is going to go vegan so another solution will have to be sought

[@suicune2001]

It's funny when people act like animals are breatharians and don't eat any food or drink any water.

[@user-lu6cy7hm2t]

nah animals actually nourish from rainbow coloured unicorn farts..very environmental friendly..trust me ive read much about this

[@TaraSalih]

Caller: how do you justify your decision to eat meat, dairy, and eggs? David: who am I supposed to justify my decision to? Caller: the victim David: no The victim: 👁️👄👁️

[@longevitycoach1573]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5uoY4OimLVmfcU

[@bertthompson4748]

Who is the victim in this scenario? An animal? They dont have the higher order thinking capable to understand justification You understand this right?

[@zhugh9556]

@@bertthompson4748 Does a victim have to possess higher order thinking in order to be a victim?

[@ReadySetSkateFilms]

@@bertthompson4748 Neither do babies or handicapped individuals, yet we don't exploit them. What's your point?

[@bertthompson4748]

@@ReadySetSkateFilms but theyre of the same group of animals that can understand making the line blurred enough to not eat them

[@PeteysPonderings1220]

"I've read aot about this" *Reads Liver King exclusively* Lmao

[@GaryHighFruit]

""I've read aot about this" Reads Liver King exclusively" RIght... The Anti-vegan Movement(that I cover) is trying to overwhelm the internet with their Dis-Information. And it's working. And they promote each other to accomplish this. (like that new Comeroderie guy in my new video). They boost their own community better than vegans have. In fact, I'd like to keep my 7 years of complaining going by saying the Vegan community mostly ignored me and my 27-year vegan success, and teaching how the community can do better.

[@brycebrown6596]

David Pakman couldn’t defend his view or justify his exploitation of sentient beings

[@emisem96]

My argument would be it tastes good

[@brycebrown6596]

@@emisem96 some people consume other people and say the flavor is great, does good taste justify killing a creature? Genuinely asking

[@antoniokinsey4041]

Yes, I’ve seen this before with other people that pride themselves with the understanding of science, facts and logic like Matt Dillahunti of The Atheist Experience, and Neil DeGrasss Tyson, and others who you’d think would get it but don’t.

[@bananacarnage1318]

“I’ve read a lot about this” Aka “I’ve googled ‘why vegans are wrong’ and I’m now confidently incorrect.” Also…..”you and i are on the same page” is my new most hated phrase.

[@JennieLonsdale]

I am a David Pakman fan however this interview was appalling. It calls in to question his morality, integrity and logic. So disappointing

[@LouisGedo]

👋 *Facts And Logic Destroy David Pakman Nonsense Every Time*

[@barbaraibiel]

I stopped watching him long ago. He is just ridiculous.

[@mmhmm9271]

Very unpleasant and rude too imo. I personally can't stand the guy.

[@barbaraibiel]

@@mmhmm9271 Also arrogant. He looks like he thinks he is saying something very smart.

[@mmhmm9271]

@@barbaraibiel yea, "arrogant" is the perfect word for him. His general vibe is quite insufferable.

[@jameswayton2340]

When people start to talk about how much land and water we would need to feed everyone on a plant-based diet.. i facepalm so hard i might knock myself out.

[@spinachtriangle]

Complicated ways of saying ‘I love my meat, dairy, eggs and fish too much to give a f about anything else’

[@coertvisser9120]

Great video! Very much agree with what you said. What are your thoughts on Pakman's statement that the person's framing was absolutist?

[@StarWonder]

I think David was projecting when he said that bc his own comments are absolutist with the "we'll only have 5 vegan monocrops" made up stuff he just arbartraily decided was how things would be.

[@ValseInstrumentalist]

Cow in slaughterhouse exhibits extreme distress, tries to get away, moos pitifully, struggles immensely when loaded into bolting restraints. This creature is incapable of communicating consent.

[@Casper_Wellington]

Yum

[@GaryHighFruit]

This is horrible. I think a few days ago I heard David Pakman say he was vegetarian. I was going to use that clip in my video coming next week showing the Fact that liberals are much closer to the vegan side than conservatives. I can't believe how ignorant he is. "Crops would need to be grown in dramatically larger quantities" Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow. We have that NOW, beCAUSE of animal farming. I hope David got wind of how false he was.

[@elpretender1357]

I don't get how the show host didn't understood that the justifiation question did not referred to justify the act to the victim, but to justify the act as in kicking someone in the nuts because the poerson was trying to stab you and it was a necesity.

[@adribones]

Honestly, I think the caller screwed up a couple of times here, he shouldn’t have asked DP to justify himself to the Cow but rather to the caller himself, if he had been asked to justify capital punishment it would have been absurd to say “I don’t need to justify anything to you because you’re not on death row”. Likewise when he finished his word salad of animal agg environmental talking points, rather then redirect to the poor first question, he should have simply said “so if all of those points are provably wrong, you’d go vegan?” Irritatingly, he was given all the time and space to say as little as possible.

[@garyloewenthal]

In fairness to the caller though, "Who do I justify it to?" is an absurd and probably unexpected deflection, and when you're on air in the middle of the discussion, it's hard to immediately think up the response that you might come up with after it's over and you have the time to think about it. In any event, I suspect that if DP saw someone trying to stab a puppy, and the attacker asked who he should justify his actions to, as some sort of justification for his violence, DP would instantly recognize the question as absurd.

[@juliewake4585]

David Pakman is an intelligent and thoughtful person whom I admire a lot. This is very embarrassing for him. He says he has read a lot about this: the obviously hasn’t.

[@barbaraibiel]

I disagree that he is intelligent and thoughtful. He just follows an ideology.

[@aadiskywalker]

I don't know who this guy is but he's clearly not intelligent

[@freshairkaboom8171]

I mean, the ideology that he defends is just extremely easy to defend, so he comes across as extremely smart and eloquent when he's talking about it. Maybe that's why. I used to think Matt Dillahunty sounded smart too, but he just defends atheism and opposes theism, something that is incredibly easy to do. When they start talking about other issues that are much, much harder to defend, that's when you start seeing who they really are. I'm probably the same. Veganism is just incredibly solid and easy to defend, every single excuse in the book has already been responded to at feature length. I'm probably very ignorant sounding when it comes to other topics that I'm very wrong about.

[@thatsalt1560]

Obviously not, no.

[@Empathy4Animals411]

@@freshairkaboom8171 So anyone that rejects organized religion but isn't clever enough to realize there's a third choice beyond atheism (spirituality, esp. that of the Essenes and Pythagoras) doesn't seem very "smart" in my book. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is actually very ignorant.

[@prieten49]

David Pakman was born in Argentina. That is a big meat eating country. I can't believe he thinks switching from meat & dairy to plant-based diet would require massive growing of more crops to get the same nutrition. Surely everyone knows by now that the vast majority of agricultural land is used to feed the livestock industry. As Ed Winters always reminds us, switching from meat & dairy to plant-based nutrition would free up vast swaths of agricutltural lands to be "rewilded." Perhaps David believes all livestock live on the Argentinian Pampas?

[@elpretender1357]

people who are usually well informed or even scholarly in certain subjects like Neil or David are oftentimes unaware of the whole story of where their food comes from and what veganism is about. It makes it clear to me that giving people more education on the subject would help a lot

[@Empathy4Animals411]

Well informed by government propaganda does not count. And someone like Pakman doesn't give a flip about animals, because they can't increase his viewer count or donate to his Patreon.

[@Sovvyy]

I've read quite a few studies on land usage for respective diets and it seems no debate that a vegan diet uses less land; and usually by a large amount. Although, to be honest you can look at ecological efficiency and see how much energy is lost between trophic levels (2nd law of thermodyamics). I'd be interested to know what he's reading.... does he give a source?

[@maggot1111666]

When you start off an argument by asserting that verbal communication is the only form of communication, is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

[@Empathy4Animals411]

By this "logic," Pakman thinks it's okay to stab human babies because they can only make unintelligible gurgling sounds.

[@wag5947]

Some comments have replies, yet nothing is their .why ?

[@itstandstoreason]

Where is the original audio for this call?

[@chandir7752]

finally found it kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5ikdJ-nlLifgdE

[@bennymalone]

‘I’ve read a lot on this’ - two Vice articles and an anti-vegan Facebook comment

[@jackmichaelpeter]

Guys such a liar. I’ll bet he’s never even driven by a farm to peek in and check the living conditions of the animals he eats

[@jmc4975]

He was really clutching at straws in an attempt to sound intelligent. He just ended up just sounding like one of the conservatives he argues against

[@robinjames7967]

4:20 clearly david is forgetting that animals eat magnitudes more crops then they produce.. it's so intellectually lazy that you have to question everything else he says..

[@jjbenna]

Sure he is never going to a supermarket or fast food.

[@chandir7752]

I want to see the rest of the interaction where's the original video?

[@Nick_Lyston]

Excellent analysis. It is fascinating how smart people get the most important and rationally cut-and-dry moral question of their lives wrong. It is a failing of character that has become an epidemic in this era of increasingly-accessible information. This info all points to veganism’s centrality in maintaining a just lifestyle.

[@bobsback2676]

Censorship in its finest

[@thereddrob]

your intro is so funny. I was thinking the exact same thing when I heard you listen to h3h3

[@officialasa]

With respect to the name the trait question, David actually reacted to one of Ask Yourself’s debates and said, “the trait is human DNA” which obviously we know is a position that leads to some pretty hilarious reductios

[@LiftingVeganLogic]

Can you point me to where I could find that?

[@officialasa]

@@LiftingVeganLogic here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6vFeH-jedJrq5I (:

[@smotty2hotty]

How to make relatively intelligent people sound like absolute simpletons……….. Talk to them about veganism!!

[@RobertMcD]

"I could drive and see what are the conditions"......... sure. Spending money on gasoline because he cares so much. Pfft. As a non-driver cyclist this sounds so stupid.

[@09daniscool]

What's the point of believing in civil right, or worker rights, or environmental rights, if you don't believe in sentient rights?

[@RahulRaj-vg4jb]

David cringeman

[@lakesideparkplace]

I’m not surprised

[@MrHamburgerHelper]

David David David 😂 What tf - just be honest and say you dgaf about others’ suffering and only care about your own preferences

[@baby_gogeta_ss]

I’m so glad you are one of the faces of veganism. You look like a young healthy guy, great looks, intelligent, your activism is not over the top like that vegan teacher lol. This is why no anti vegans ever make videos about you, they can’t ridicule you.

[@Empathy4Animals411]

Anti-vegans make plenty of videos about Joey Carbstrong. Once any popular vegan comes in their line of vision, it's open season.

[@mcc5295]

Great video bro. I liked it . Keep up the great content 🌱💚👌

[@chrystalthornton1502]

He is just liberal as long as it suits his purposes then he turns into Matt Walsh with his flippant answers. I've lost all respect for him.

[@doddsalfa]

The amount of nonsense from David is mind boggling,talking about water usages in plant growing when one hamburger needs 2.5 tons of water to “grow”

[@graememcelligott8874]

I've roughly estimated land needed to grow crops for human use alone and it does come out to be less than is the case now. But it might be closer than it appears because you also have to allow for crops for other uses, such as oil and textiles. Consider that if plant-based products were used to replace wool and leather, for example, we'd need to grow those plants. The thing is that critics don't seem to realise how little land is needed to grow enough food for a single person. Most estimates come out to about .12-.13, possibly .15 hectare per year. Overall, though, Pakman did rather fail to tackle the questioner's concern. In the end, justification in regard to moral concerns comes down to the person themselves. The real question is, how do you justify it to yourself.

[@jasminejohnson8051]

Another good video man👍🔥🔥

[@bengrunewald4183]

The stupid it burns! At least I'm here to do all the things.

[@RunRowRideLift]

I like Pakman but I've always wondered how he sells a lot of vegan oriented products but he himself has said he isn't vegan.

[@StarWonder]

If you hear him when he says it "I'm not Vegan" every single time he promotes Vegan food, afraid to be associated with reducing/ending cruelty & suffering...

[@Empathy4Animals411]

Because he's a moron?

[@bringhomethebasil8729]

Perhaps the question posed to him and response videos like *this* will force him to reconsider? Very little of Pakman’s content is related to environmentalism or the impact of CO2 emissions. Not long ago he did a video promoting electric vehicles- but that’s about it. I’m not surprised at all that his overall lack of interest in the science of environment related feedback loops would render him (still) a meat-eater. He’s admitted in the past that he doesn’t know much on the topics of the climate crisis.

[@planetofthevegans880]

You're aware that veganism is 100% about the suffering of animals, right?

[@bringhomethebasil8729]

@@planetofthevegans880 yes, please read my very first sentence. The rest of my point was that I wasn’t surprised at all by his response because all meat-eaters find their reasons for why they continue to consume animals. He’s said many times on his channel that he is not vegan and he’s never advocated for it. He also doesn’t care much to investigate the science behind the climate crisis and how a plant based diet (vegan) diet could minimize that impact. He’s simply justifying his eating of meat by faulty, repetitive statements that others routinely use.

[@itsdaynesh]

Yikes, this was painful 😅

[@StarWonder]

How is someone so smart let cognative dissonance make one look the fool? David is usually quite thoughtful but this made him look so bad. He didn't enter the conversation allowing his thought to be challenged & keeps bringing up environmental points that aren't even true, it's just a made up thought of that's how he imagines the future not based on anything but imagination & not looking at facts of how much crops/water go to feed livestock. Also look at a field of cows, monocrop of 1 grass, no trees, 1 species of animal; the cow. That's just "grass fed" cows. Mice are killed by the milllions for cows/feed/fields alone & would be severely reduced by stopping breeding/creating deforestation for cows. Severe monocropism happens with animal ag at a massive scale, yet he didn't bother to think about it & pointed at plants. David's arguement is there will be 5 monocrops (also wouldnt be true were the world to go vegan as there are over 30,000 different species of vegetations/fruits humanity already consumes) which is what the meat industry is doing right now on mass scale far greater than a vegan one would ever cause. Land for animal AG is #1 cause of deforestation & killing/removal/genocide of indigenous peoples, like in Brazil & Canada that's happening right now. Grass fed animals take more land/cause more deforestation. Canada is shooting wolves - cubs included - from helicopters to "protect" cows/fields (they rarely hunt cows yet that's how they choose to portray it) under the guise of "conservation" on top. That's what people pay for to have grass fed beef in Canada. Land taken from cariboo, elk, moose, etc etc for the monocrop of COWS. I hope David wakes up... Thank you for doing this video! Then he doesn't even register things like no mass farms needed for many places & instead community gardens & community fridges to feed each other. But most people aren't even prepared for that thought process either.

[@Nicky_Dore]

You should call and then ask the same question. When he brings up his stupid case then you can prove him wrong with your data. Record that for the people. Lol.

[@mmhmm9271]

Pakman is an extremely disingenuous person, and is completely insufferable to watch.

[@R3belCloud]

This deeply upsetting. I expect more of David Pakman. Thank you for uploading this video nonetheless it's important to shed light on this.

[@redpillpusher]

11:30 👎🏽 I'm calling complete BS on his claim ...I've heard this many times and I simply don't believe it. straight up lie.

[@kennyfinger8306]

As a relatively new vegan (almost 2 years) I’m amazed at how bad and misinformed anti-vegan arguments are. Reminds me of the “anti-atheist” (I know, weird term) arguments I keep hearing. Once I had done the heavy lifting and realized I was an atheist, I kept holding my breath waiting for that devastating argument that proved me wrong. It never came, and when I do hear these supposed “checkmate, atheist!” arguments, it’s like…really? Only it seems worse on the anti-vegan side. I think it’s at least party because most people truly have never seen these places (feedlots, slaughterhouses, meat processing plants, dairy farms) and their nitty gritty detail practices and just don’t realize the scale of the atrocity and suffering that is just routine practice. Most people go their whole lives only seeing the “sanitized” final product in pretty packages and in idealized advertising. Anyway, nice video, thanks.

[@MarkSheeres]

I perceive a logical fallacy at 7:45: False dichotomy between a world that maximizes monocropping and a vegan world. For example if one did not use any monocropping whatsoever to feed animals, one could still fish or hunt. This entails that one would eat barely any meat at all, but that is not my point. My point is there is a false dichotomy. Correct me if I’m wrong.

[@jesusvalle2685]

Yeah, I stopped watching him a long time ago. He’s just another Trump obsessed radical liberal.

[@richardhunter132]

total face plant by David, and I'm a regular viewer of his show

[@matthewzang6688]

You should debate David Pakman. He recently posted a video of another vegan caller.

[@BrandonMize]

Pakman dropping the ball in a veganism conversation? No way..

[@Pointless_Porcupine]

I would love to see you calling into his show sometime to address this.

[@mitchio83]

Davids point about all the infrastructure that has to be changed is irrelevant. Here’s an analogy, imagine society evolved in such a way that there’s $1 trillion industry in building hidden spike traps along every sidewalk in the world, imagine the infrastructure that would have to be in place to build these and to service them. They would have to be a dedicated lane in the road for the body removal service vehicles. The spike factory workers livelihood depend on there spike careers, all the body removal workers would be out of jobs, the spike sharpeners.... What about the people who make the pumps that pump out the blood from the pits.. I could go on and on about why we should just continue to make these hidden spike traps in the sidewalk. One can instantly realize why that is a bad argument

[@chrisarmon1002]

I do have to say the issue I have with vegans is they try and apply terms such as “murder” rape” to animals and we don’t apply these terms to non humans

[@skylermikalson6159]

So if someone killed my dog, you would have a problem with me saying that they murdered her? If someone fucked my dog, you would have a problem with my saying that they raped her?

[@user-dg6lh2mt8g]

2022 and people be still acting like its 1945...

[@stuartkerns4048]

Maybe David was doing a Rogan impression.

[@johnnyboy6429]

When ppl use the excuse where they know exaaaactly where their food comes from. Bullshit. Doesnt happen.

[@Jay-zk4lp]

Painful to watch. I don’t know which is worse, his logic or his attitude.

[@cadriver2570]

Subscribed. Excellent video!

[@ChrisBashforth]

David is exactly the target audience for vegan messaging. He clearly knows it’s unhealthy, causes suffering and is wrong so says he try’s to buy ethically sourced meat. And yet he excuses himself by saying the alternative is worse - water usage, crop monoculture, land use, without having looked into the science. I believe David bases his judgements on evidence so can be helped by gentle, supportive, encouraging education. Ask any counsellor how you change someone’s habitual beliefs and behaviours and there is a well trod path we can all learn from.

[@amizan8653]

how do so few people realize that we would grow fewer crops if we all want vegan because the animal victims that are consumed eat way more crops worth of calories than we get out of their flesh? like how when calorie of be requires 6 to 25 calories of crops? and the fact that 90% of all soybean production in America is literally done just to produce crops for farm animal feed?

[@jimmyjohnny5661]

I think veganism more reveals how mentally good/smart people actually are not that they get dumb

[@AnHourOfWolves]

The guy appears to be quite naive... It is strange that this happens.

[@reign2566]

lol last time i checked i dont talk cow or chicken, does the lion justify beating the crap out of an animal and leaving it for dead?

[@scotttaylor7744]

I liked David but stopped watching his content for this reason

[@neilsmith5510]

Me too I'm too disgusted by how glib he is.

[@pammcnary]

WOW! Well, done with David Pakman. I used to follow him. I thought he was intelligent. No more!

[@DGelectrock]

Thanks for calling out this nonsense

[@sebleblan]

I love David, but yeah he failed there...

[@burningclock]

This guy is insane, not the vegan guy... he's OK 🤷‍♂️. Nobody gets his jokes though 😁 👍

[@alphaomega7433]

I mean David was on the right path but went off course pretty quick. Eating meat, eggs and drinking milk are not illegal therefore I can take part in these actions without ever having to justify my actions to anyone. The dog and baby examples aren’t the same because those are illegal actions and therefore you would have to justify your actions to the legal system or you would go to prison.

[@skylermikalson6159]

If there's a victim in an action, it should always be morally justified. Legal justification is not the only kind of justification.

[@alphaomega7433]

@@skylermikalson6159 Justified to whom? You? Do you think you are god?

[@skylermikalson6159]

​@@alphaomega7433 At least to yourself, and ideally to people who question why you're victimizing someone. I mean your logic gives a free pass to dictators to do what they want because they can make the law to be whatever they want it to be.

[@Curt_Randall]

wow. I am actually shocked how ignorant Pakman is about veganism. I mean he really sounded just plain stupid. He threw all logic out the window. That is uncharacteristic of him.

[@SamFischer201]

Please keep up the good work 💪🏼🤙🏼