Shane Jones and Debbie Ngarewa-Packer spar over protest action | TVNZ Breakfast

The two politicians squared off on Breakfast to debate the ongoing protests against the Government’s policies related to co-governance and Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
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[@Paul_Rich]

5:17 When a woman has to resort to attacking a man's gender and age, you know she's already lost the debate.

[@jwaugh319]

Facts. But, then again, victimhood has always served women well throughout history due to their 'marginalized' hurt feelings. Not to say that feelings don't matter. But the truth is, facts dictate feelings, and feelings do not dictate facts. Thankfully, we are approaching a time wherein truth and common sense prevails over politicized hurt feelings. This is why men built society, and it is run by men with a backbone, and will prosper by men with backbones and integrity. I'm not for politics, I'm for common sense. Maori are quick to cry racism when it benefits them, but to receive something that you would not receive if you were not Maori (like every other nationality within New Zealand) is in fact, in itself, racist.

[@peasant5612]

Yip exactly

[@cassandragaisford2777]

shocking to call him ‘uncle’ … childish

[@mattheweden-pc5pk]

She’s not the brightest bulb

[@happypipi5363]

Agree. Debbie called Shane uncle, but she's no spring chicken herself.

[@user-ek1sq3bj4z]

Shane Jones totally outplayed Debbie & that so called journalist.

[@makamak4992]

So politics is a game, that makes sense

[@purefoldnz3070]

sure did and she sure wasnt happy about that. hahaha

[@michaelmarama-de4gx]

That journalist is a cutie pie, I'll dig her anyday😂

[@sebastianharker4892]

A definite, Game, Set and Match to Shane. 🥉 🏆

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@sebastianharker4892 and without even trying.

[@dreinhard52]

Debbie just proved Shanes point , straight into name calling and victim hood !

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

No, Shane just proved he will say what ignorant people want to hear.

[@rapscity2k442]

@@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700 that's what Debbie is doing. Shane has the reo and so do all his tamariki and mokopuna. He can say what he said because he is also Maori. I'm Maori too, and I rep he whakaputanga hard, the real history of my tupuna. She does not speak for all of us. My tupuna wern't victims, yet under her and Rawiri's leadership, that's where we are headed. My tupuna were travelling the world before 1810, we make it seem like our relationship with the crown started in 1840. I know my history. I am not ignorant. It is her. It is you.

[@speeddemon9555]

@@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700 he told the truth and apparently the truth hurts you lot !!

[@k9wirihana172]

Yeah nah

[@autumnedwards45]

​@@rapscity2k442Sounds like ur tupuna were Kupapa Maori😂😂😂

[@zerotree1310]

Is Debbie's best response to call Shane an old sexist bully and then accuse him of making it personal? disgraceful conduct.

[@Lazydaisy646]

One rule for you , different for me

[@valeriehughes1008]

At one point she called him "just an Uncle"... this woman is mostly of Dalmatian blood with very little Maori in her bloodline yet she decks herself out and mokos her face and claims she is more Maori than the rest and must be listened to.... she is disrespectful to Maori in the way she acts and the game of theatre she plays and the constant calling Maori victims when the vast majority of us do not think of ourselves in this way... she is an embarrassment to all Maori

[@geoffstokes]

That's par for the course for her political types

[@ryanparker8773]

This is what she has been told to say, she knows the media will back her up.

[@peterlattimore6013]

@@valeriehughes1008 Thank you... Debbie seems to act the part but does not follow through physically.

[@WiremuRanginui]

'When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.'

[@overover..]

That is exactly how the maori party are feeling right now, no wonder they are kicking up a stink

[@ritakonig1891]

😂 well said. This is not just true for Maori. We can see this in our Children too. If they're allowed to eat as many cookies as they wish and get restrictions next time at aunties place, they moan and groan too. There's a saying: when the mouse is full even the cheese tastes bitter. 😊

[@banksy1311]

Facts!

[@deanwitt7903]

You are correct . It’s becoming a sad state of affairs in this country . As a New Zealander of European decent at school decades ago we never saw colour . We had Maori friends and the Māoris saw us as friends . We were at each others houses after school , we played sport together , we hung out on weekends together . The parents of Maori children worked in the same factory as my parents , earnt the same wage and everyone in the town never saw Maori as inferior . We were and still are all human beings just trying to pass through life as best we all can . These elite Maori will never pass any fortune gained from government down to the Maori people at grass roots .

[@andreatodd3095]

I agree, that was my experience growing up as well. I use to visit Maori homes with friends and relatives, Pacific Islanders homes as well, great mates and lovely parents.

[@Fraaank41]

Within 5 seconds and the mention of democracy, Debbie is rolling her eyes. Pathetic.

[@alicerose9140]

It is pathetic that Shane Jones thinks democracy means getting to vote only once every 3-4 years.

[@Fraaank41]

​@alicerose9140 , what would you prefer? 5 years, 10 years or every single year?

[@rapscity2k442]

@@alicerose9140 😆 if the tables were turned and maori party were in, all of a sudden they would be enforcing the election result. She picked at the fact that their vote percentage wasnt indicitave of the population. While they only got 3%. Im maori, and this party is embarassing. My tupuna were not crying victim like our current 'leaders'

[@patriciakimber4312]

Isn’t she

[@alicerose9140]

@@Fraaank41 Democracy means 'rule by the people' not inflexible dominance by one or two parties & ignoring the needs of the rest of the population. Ongoing accountability to ensure honouring election claims, responding to demonstrations of public opinion & representation of those without power would be a start.

[@geefreek]

Save some victim cards for the rest of us. she pulled the woman and Māori card. Should be a limit of 1 per customer

[@2wahineandadog]

Why? you clealy prefer to play the "bully" card

[@geefreek]

@@2wahineandadog your gonna have to explain to me how I’m being a bully?

[@krisp4889]

@@2wahineandadog No that's threats of an angry mob coming to a town near you__ a threat constantly being repeated lately__ bullying is a Maori Gang shutting down a City/town for a funeral or through just violent behavior__ it's "The Maori Way" always worse under Labour.

[@janbrown9195]

😂😂😂

[@Timetofly8888]

Lol !!! YOU, Sir win the internet today.

[@danfrost3043]

I'm confused! As a White New Zealander what to Maori not get that I get? What are they not entitled to that I'm entitled to? What rights to they not have that I have? Everyone is struggling, what about all the other cultures in New Zealand, you don't see them constantly whining, protesting, causing disruption and screaming Racism at every turn. They need to get over themselves.

[@peterlattimore6013]

A former neighbour who was a Maori from the wrong side of the railroad tracks, said there are some Maori who walk forwards while looking backward. There are a select few who have a mindset of victimhood and it affects their state of mind to the extent they'll never be happy, refusing to acknowledge that in the past 150 od years, their lifestyles have improved tenfold. To summarise, there are Maori who are manic depressive no matter how much the government gives them for free...

[@2wahineandadog]

On paper the rights are the same I agree. However the difference is how some are treated or disregarded is more the case.

[@joycooper6343]

@@peterlattimore6013 As a retiree I believe life is what you make it irrelevant of race. No one is denied an education. Seems the biggest moaners are those that expect it all minus the hard graft that most put in to achieve . Protest Monday morning , rush hour traffic for those going off to work Question : are these protestors all unemployed ? At least the ground swell protest endeavored to cause least disruption to the public as possible .

[@Lazydaisy646]

My part Maori nephew gets a lot of advantages his Pakeha mother is not entitled to. He's got funding to go to a private school simply because his father is Maori. I dont begrudge it to him , but thats a fact

[@dakotak51]

Look up perpetual leasing lol

[@taliaware1110]

Shane jones even had offensive things said about him towards his own whakapapa and he still stayed calm...respect bro

[@sox7784]

Yep agree, he’s a politician and an intellectual which she isn’t

[@rickymarino1208]

wat was said about whakapapa

[@taliaware1110]

@@rickymarino1208 4.40

[@jac3271]

Absolutely it’s theatre. And of course the race card is played, and the DEI ideology of victimhood raises its ugly head. Debby talks about “our people” - so they think in lockstep? She resorts to identity politics…

[@user-ce1dm9ws7h]

@@sox7784 torewai koe shane ukui tiko

[@joachimpetersen2301]

I'm Maori and I am not offended by this governments plans. In fact I agree with most of what this government plan on doing. Don't act as though you speak for me Debbie with your 2.5% vote which assuming only Maori voted for, would account for only 14% of Maori!

[@Gumpmachine1]

It’s a classic tactic to tell any particular group they’re oppressed and only you can help them. The Maori Party can only exist if they consistently convince other Maori how poorly they’re treated

[@mashelalnaar]

I'm impressed Mike King got $6m annually from now on by incoming govt for mental health. Labour gave him absolutely nothing.

[@andybrrr5944]

Based

[@CHCHNZ461]

Such a good point and needs to be highlighted more.

[@ronaldwarren1267]

Man hard case buggers aren't they her and Rawiri halfwiti b s

[@JT-oo7sd]

Surely the interviewer should take a neutral stance.

[@aaronlikescoffee]

Not in NZ 😅

[@purefoldnz3070]

at TVNZ? haha good luck with that. Honestly all nz media should be neutral.

[@mr2981]

Ha, you funny.

[@brucefale6132]

@@aaronlikescoffee name a country that does

[@annatetiad.4991]

she is a paid shill - just like Jack Tame and Rebecca Wright. They are rxtreme left biased

[@jonathanbennett1542]

Hold the line Shane you doing a great job , as a New Zealander with Maori roots I’m with you on this , the media and the lefties will kick up a stink but our country is on the line , it’s crazy how a few radicals hold the country to ransom

[@Stephen-bq4nq]

Yeah our countries on the line that's why they got rid of the fair pay act which will affect the poorest workers. They're bringing back the ability for landlords to kick people out with 90 days notice with no reason given. Poor people are in for hell under this foul government

[@evannelson4479]

Well said sir, totally agree.

[@user-on7yh5ht1f]

well done shane ,see you in the northland club

[@christinegodinet5673]

Us too. Totally sick of the Maori party, their constant whining, constant hand outs, constant cries of victim hood, and constant racist comments while they accuse others of the same.

[@user-gm9ot9xn2z]

​@@christinegodinet5673 so far all i see is shane fans in here been racist, i dont claim to be a victim, it gave me the skills to survive. Im not sure about handouts because i never got any.....but the whlle being ignorant to the results of colonisation and oppresion, thats why the upper class are the upper class and all my people are either fucked with addictions, poverty, and a low perforning mindset and the other bunch who look down on us koz theyre tryna be like the upper class.....its jist a sad state of affairs for everyone.

[@Clubs_88]

Well done shane we actually want a non racist devisive nation

[@2wahineandadog]

Pity we don't have one

[@user-he1fn6pr7e]

Please point out how the tyranny of democracy has ever been non racist or divisive in the history of the NZ colonial governing polity. With facts please not racist whitesupremace opinion and/or conjecture.

[@Clubs_88]

​@@user-he1fn6pr7e😂

[@IraiaF]

Act is not delivering equality, act is delivering inequality in the sense that statistically māori, lgbtq+ and immigrants have lower income, higher mortality rates, higher incarceration rates and overall lower standards of living. By cutting social services that minorities rely on, that is worsening inequality, not fixing it

[@HaturiniPaoraAka-nk1ue]

The coalition is racist and divisive…Winston hates David Seymour’s guts. That’s why he dubbed him the accidental Mowrie lol

[@arthursnodgrass4685]

Thank you Shane Jones. This is why you received my party vote,

[@aaronlikescoffee]

Mine too

[@robertgrant4609]

Shane Jones makes a good point about victimhood not being a good kaupapa to base a political movement on. Then immeadiately out comes the im a women and your victimising me response. . . Very telling. . . Shane Jones is the most commonsense politician ive heard. A real gem, glad he is in government.

[@purefoldnz3070]

yes and she did not like that at all haha

[@krisp4889]

Reminds me of our former PM, it was all because She was a She__ nothing to do with her jack booted style, Dan Andrews (a man) got exactly the same treatment in Aussie__ is he transgender and I didn't know?

[@MG-fr3tn]

He needs to get with science.

[@aquamarine_nz2296]

Isn't it amazing that she makes the assumption that no Maori voted for this government or for NZ First. Wow, she thinks she represents all Maori. Such arrogance.

[@sox7784]

She doesn’t represent all Māori, most Māori want New Zealand 🇳🇿 back to what it was a safe country where gangs aren’t running our towns shops don’t get robbed were we are not judged by the colour of our skin threw the action of others shown on TV far to regularly . NZF ❤❤❤

[@warrenheslip692]

I am really warming to Shane Jones. The moari party look to me like woke liberals.

[@elshelbyandzue-davies8341]

What u talkn about? I never voted for this govt National, act or NZ first. They still want to scrap Maori from Aotearoa.

[@righttobloodydissent]

Why does she keep rolling her eyes like that? Very immature behaviour on Debbie's part.

[@2wahineandadog]

Facial movements is part of Tikanga - try watching a haka where no one pokes out a tongue or frowns or raises their eyebrows...stoicism and poker face are for other cultures. The only one better at eye roller is Chloe whatsherface from the greens

[@The1234joe4321]

Bro what TF is up with that thing on old mate debbos face 🤡🤡🤣. She got too close to the iron stove plate one night on the double browns?😅

[@cassandragaisford2777]

maybe its the false eyelashes playing up

[@haweavivian48]

Amazing that TV1 haven't turned the comments off. They don't usually like public opinion.

[@truthprevails5056]

....wait for it... 😂

[@theoriginaltoadnz]

Very true, was surprised to see this.

[@andosoup98]

was just thinking the same thing, clearly thier viewers taking a different approach than their staff, lol

[@terri-annejoyce2164]

Yeah thats true'

[@alanchapman2782]

Stuff ( the worst)and other media outlets in NZ have banded together and shut off any public comments on nearly every issue. It is good to see comments available for a change.

[@jpinnz2803]

A 'male standing over and bullying Debbie' - WTF???? As soon as she said that she lost this debate.

[@byronbarker936]

Exactly right

[@robbiedavis6643]

It depends on how you looked at it. You obviously don't like her so your mind wS made up

[@harryflashman4542]

@@robbiedavis6643 She hasn't the intellect to argue the points so she attacks the person. I have noticed that about the Maori Party leadership, they cannot discuss policy.

[@robbiedavis6643]

@@harryflashman4542 wipe your mouth mate

[@harryflashman4542]

@@robbiedavis6643 thankyou for helping me make my point.

[@krisp4889]

Debbie's Party won just 2.6% of the vote, where does SHE get the right to speak for the other 17.4% of Maori?? she claims to represent.

[@2wahineandadog]

Do you have any evidence that she doesn't represent more than the 2.6%?

[@krisp4889]

@@2wahineandadog Well they didn't vote for her did they!! Can you prove she has more support? With out the race based Maori seats she wouldn't have a job__ time they went.

[@hemiedwards217]

you obviously don't know how the Maori seats work lol

[@krisp4889]

@@hemiedwards217Really they are race based, only Maori can vote for the candidates, did I miss anything and given her parties poor party vote she would be unemployed.

[@paperclip612]

​@@krisp4889 Wasn't the abolition of special Maori seats in Parliament a condition of MMP?

[@pietdebeer7972]

Could the presenter try to hide her bias a bit better?

[@annatetiad.4991]

thats what the journalist fund has paid for. The bias.

[@C00kieMonsta13]

She was probably too scared to piss the Māori lady off

[@margueritemccartney3607]

Nope. She’s totally biased all the time. Can’t help herself.

[@Sailorsega]

The presenters have never hidden their biases.

[@mikeodonnell5487]

she wont be in a job much longer!@

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

Look how they care more about words on public buildings then they do about Maori children abused to death like baby Ru. Where are the protests for them?

[@erina4586]

STOP! The Abortions ( Murder) of the Innocent Babies! The govt system has failed.

[@Riffman08-dz6pv]

Where are the protests for Pakeha children whom are being sold as sex slaves in the south island by their own parents...your generalizing one situation as if it were an on going on in everyday Maori life..they struggle so badly living in a Whiteman colonial world as it is without having the rest of their livelihoods taken..Fact Is this is an act of racial superiority dressed as democracy

[@allantakiari1822]

​@Riffman08-dz6pv You are talking about that Cult? That's not the same as with Baby Ru. ffs. Our Children no matter what Nationally they are need to be Protected..

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@allantakiari1822 and they all jailed for it. Something that's yet to happen for killers of baby Ru, who still walk free.

[@grantadamson3478]

@@Riffman08-dz6pv Lots of emotive rhetoric which comes across as very confrontational and aggressive. Talk to us with facts and you might be listened to.

[@nerd_tasha]

While I don't like seeing Maori vs Maori on National TV. I agree with Shane Jones. Name changes were tokenism.

[@maxinehemi6892]

normalising te reo Māori is NOT tokenism. I'm a speaker of te reo Māori and didn't want the name Oranga Tamariki on an agency that rip our babies from their whakapapa! I didn't know what Waka Kotahi was... but I learnt it, like everyone else. We had normalised it... until now :(

[@CUZZABRO]

Use of Maori language in govt departments was legislated for first under Key and Act lol

[@leelabella7357]

I am not a te reo speaker, I love the Māori language. I felt it was tokenism of the highest order. To me Māori is a sacred language and using it to identify Government departments smacks of hypocrisy to me, especially when those government departments are failing Māori so badly. Te Whatu Ora and Oranga Tamariki in particular.

[@nerd_tasha]

@@leelabella7357 Exactly!!

[@rapscity2k442]

Shane Jones is fluent in the reo. All of his kids are fluent in the reo. All of his grandkids are fluent in the reo. And not the machine gun paced standard reo you get from te wananga o aotearoa. He has hearty te tai tokerau reo. If he calls it token to place a maori name on a crown agency, then he has the right. Maori party and the sheep make it seem like they are trying to rename my iwi and hapu to pakeha names. That would be crossing a line. These are crown agencies. Let them rename them in their own reo. Who cares! We talk a out tino rangatiratanga, but we cry when the crown wants to rename their own agency. LET THEM. Then get to work to do better for your own papakainga.

[@user-gv6vj7xw4u]

35% of the coalition Government cabinet are Maori . Enough said !!!!

[@peasant5612]

And she says the government didn't get the Maori mandate , however her party's 3.08% is hardly overwhelming.

[@michaellee9975]

Many of those 35# are plastic Māori.

[@nicow6808]

​@michaellee9975 so Maoris only have one allowable point of view? The rest are no true maoriman?

[@EvilVillianInc]

@@nicow6808 *Māori

[@christinegodinet5673]

@@peasant5612 One wonders if she did maths. Not sure where she thinks her mandate comes in.

[@carlcranfield986]

Well done Shane. U had 6 years Debbie.

[@purefoldnz3070]

that was fantastic to watch.

[@Alfonso_111]

Debbie wasn't in the last government. 'U' are wrong.

[@eileenmcparland2158]

I'm Irish and the two pistols symbol belongs to my culture. It is not modern Maori art, as Debbie has said. In any culture it is a symbol of violence.

[@benjaminaulakh4734]

Guns were used to forcibly take land from Màori, so I'd say if they want to use the symbolism they can. Plus gun symbols are no more Irish than any other culture.

[@96Caleb96]

​@@benjaminaulakh4734Nope, they were given to protect their land from other tribes.

[@benjaminaulakh4734]

@@96Caleb96 Yeah good one.

[@yingle6027]

@@benjaminaulakh4734 As soon as Maori got guns they used them on other Maori and took their land. Look up the Musket wars -20,000 Maori dead at the hands of other Maori.

[@benjaminaulakh4734]

@@yingle6027 Have a look at your statement and tell me what's wrong with it.

[@mark561]

"We didn't get our way & can't accept a majority of the country disagree, so we'll hold everyone to ransom until we get what we want" - democracy in action....

[@chrisbright8976]

protesting is a democracy right... being part of a minority didn't stop the COVID clowns from protesting ..

[@AdvocateOfJamaica]

Pretty much...

[@Lazydaisy646]

I think that's what Winston did too

[@mark561]

@@Lazydaisy646 I didn't vote for him 😣

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@sillysewer lol how?

[@sebastianharker4892]

Shane Jones has really impressed me. An absolute gem of an intelligent man. Glad I gave New Zealand First my vote. Shame another blatantly bias performance, from another leftie Politically Correct TVNZ presenter.

[@janbrown9195]

Absolutely agree 💯

[@valeriehughes1008]

Totally agree... something has to be done if we are ever to get any true journalism... at the moment we get opinionism by someone masquerading as a journalist!

[@sox7784]

He’s not shy to fight against TMP neither is Winnie that’s why I voted NZF

[@wogga8]

Well done Shane Jones.

[@banksy1311]

✊🏽

[@dallasfrost1996]

Well done Shane Jones!

[@cliffsharp7922]

Well done for being deviant

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@cliffsharp7922 get a grip Cliff. This woman got owned plain and simple.

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@cliffsharp7922 guilty White man lol.

[@garycody1929]

Shane is too intelligent for the muppets.

[@DrRatweasel]

Are you freakin serious...!

[@peterlattimore6013]

@@DrRatweasel Might say more about you Weasel than Gary's comment.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@DrRatweasel he was calm and level headed and honestly called her out which was brilliant.

[@snakes331]

I remember the days when maori were funny. Bring back Billy T.

[@The1234joe4321]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 this comment. Old mate debbie - REKT

[@gavinivers8941]

Billy T use to get death threats from Maori back in the day.

[@evannelson4479]

Amen!

[@moniquebode1655]

Yea Billy was great and light hearted

[@daveyboots79]

So you prefer an 80s caricature of a 'Māori slacker' over a Māori politician.... makes sense aye

[@jimmyjames1807]

well you can see what percentage of the population doesn't have have a job

[@andreatodd3095]

Debbie, crybullying....., strong Women are not victims and manage misogyny very well, in fact you are respected more if you can demonstrate that you are able as a leader to act appropriately when it's presented to you. Getting people to follow you because you present as a victim is not admirable.

[@janbrown9195]

💯

[@andosoup98]

yup how can you be a strong victim, lol, look at say the Vietnamese boat people if you want to know strong and overcoming intergenerational trauma, they dont play the race or victim cards, they just get on with it

[@dubstepXpower]

Imagine complaining about misogyny while being in government wtf

[@catherinevovna851]

Strong women are the ones who put up with misogyny? Pffft

[@hariseldon3786]

Debbie - didn't see Shane bullying you, didn't see Shane "standing over" you... how about you go shorter on the rhetoric and hyperbole (very 'thespian' as Shane says) and go long on facts and evidence...

[@janbrown9195]

💯

[@ZaneLike]

Debbie learnt well from her militant white SJW tutors at University, which by the way she was held back from doing because she's Maori

[@rotofotonz5150]

Victim mentality is not a way forward

[@grantadamson3478]

It is all that some of them understand.

[@garbonzo1947]

The whole lot of the "breakfast" crew should be sacked. That 100 million bribe (by labour) sure worked.

[@sox7784]

Yep bought a payed for by labour , changes can’t come soon enough

[@MG-fr3tn]

This is more due to governments being slow about technology and free loaders.

[@Jillian-qq1df]

Shane is well spoken, I didn't hear any bullying. I don't think the reporter is impartial. I always called it NZTA.

[@bert454]

Great. Then you won't mind if others continue to call it Waka Kotahi

[@mattheweden-pc5pk]

Waka is Māori for boat is not, and the name has gone back to English @@bert454

[@DevonR564]

Good work Shane you really got to her considering the fact she had to resort to personal insults.

[@chong-laichan3190]

I genuinely don't think Shane is misogynist simply because he disagrees with a woman. I don't know the man personally, and so can't say for sure if he is misogynist or not. All I can say is, judging from what he said here, his argument isn't built up on misogynist ideas.

[@jame2433]

The patronising way he calls out her “victimhood” is why she called him misogynistic.

[@KIWINATION]

You are right, whether or not there is a male OR female he is arguing against, he would have said the same words. So misogyny is a word not suited as a fair response. However, her response to call misogyny is a fair trade for his attitude toward Maori representation in Government. And as he crosses her boundary of disrespect, so too does she trade in kind. Overall though, I do believe she could have held back on the use of the word misogyny, and just maintained her dinosaur remark. That way, she'd have only made enemies with like-minded dinosaurs. And now she's just potentially turned off all men from supporting the cause that she's backing.

[@rapscity2k442]

​@@jame2433and it should have been patronizing. Because he was speaking to her crying victim over maoridom not gender issues, and as a well versed maori himself, he has that right. Shane Jones is a proud maori. He speaks the reo, his kids speak the reo, his grandkids all speak the reo. His knowledge of the history of te tai tokerau is so deep, id argue he knew more about his tupuna and their deeds then she does of her tupuna and their deeds. Some of us maori dont buy this victim crap, and hes clearly one of them. Doesnt mean hes a misogynist.

[@tamulawrence8865]

Shane is muzzled by his party and won't rock the boat

[@jame2433]

@@rapscity2k442 I see what you’re saying but I’m unsure how you can look at what this govt is doing and think they want better outcomes for Māori. I also don’t think they are being victims, I just see people standing up against policy that doesn’t help improve outcomes for Māori. Māori are over represented in many areas and I believe we should continue to work towards improving that. That’s what I see them trying to advocate for I also don’t think she’s calling him a misogynist based on this single interaction.

[@gavinivers8941]

If 20% are up set about what the new Government is about, the 80% are happy with the new Government.

[@jame2433]

Mate the new govt got 53% of the vote…. Approx half of New Zealand doesn’t agree with the new govt direction on many issues

[@korocam9137]

Just over 10 likes is not 80% support 😂

[@EvilVillianInc]

About 71.47% of the adult population voted in this election. About 37.8% of the total adult population voted for the new government. 29.39% of the total population. Hardly 80% now is it. Democracy isn't a free ride to dominate minority groups. It's supposed to protect us all.

[@GrantasaurusRex]

Need an unbiased interviewer.... not even trying hide it.

[@jasonpoihegatama1347]

Bully and stand over her what a joke Lol

[@rowancruickshank2358]

Good level thinking Shane , also it’s the largest number of Māori in cabinet, the ppl have voted and are rejecting the woke victim narrative being pumped globally Good work Shane

[@Nicole-ze2gj]

So when you have a different opinion, then you are a bully or a victim. I found Debbie to be very unprofessional,...rolling her eyes, reacting instead, or responding. I guess that's what professional politicians do. Interesting times.

[@arksamongus5165]

A classic wwahhman

[@purefoldnz3070]

exactly, way too entitled for sure. One of the reasons that National won is a push back from the extreme left like Debbie.

[@bathena6022]

This blonde "journalist" is so woke.

[@annatetiad.4991]

yep and they are deleting comments they dont like.

[@nzkid2599]

As a Māori I do not feel disadvantaged at all by this new government. I am not a victim and refuse to play the victim card

[@slooob23]

There's no future in victimhood, I'm pakeha and have had some really hard times, we just got to keep going no matter what. Kia kaha bro, we can all move forward together if we want to.

[@sox7784]

There’s money in play ing the victim Cuzzy that’s why she’s jumping up and down

[@nzkid2599]

@@sox7784 she’s a Karen

[@fxx4008]

I’m a GenX Maori who has a pakeha and Maori parent. If you learn our history and colonisation of indigenous peoples your eyes and mind will be open to understanding why we are asserting ourselves to this govt. A govt who prefer we are not seen or heard. This govt is anti Maori and they twist words and our agenda to be negative. I remember my mumma who didn’t learn her language as her parents stopped speaking it to her to protect her from being hit from the teacher if she spoke te reo. My mumma lost a part of her that affected her loving herself. That was a time of conditioning. We no longer accept the narrative these racist try to spin.

[@nzkid2599]

@@fxx4008 alright keep your hair on!

[@stephenking4170]

The Maori Party leader tried to turn this into a woman bashing argument. Shane is right. It's victimhood.

[@LJFN213]

Ironic that “bully and stand over” seems to be the intention of the protest. Shane Jones: “She trades on victimhood” Debbie in rebuttal: Plays victim of the patriarchy.

[@user-on7yh5ht1f]

is that a bar swipe on her chin

[@user-nn4xs1vx1i]

Its the same old perview with these Maoris ....you're right play the victim hood card .....or bully the whole country and the media to try and force a change to this new governments policy .....They are naive this is what NZers voted for , she is trying to turn back the clock ....lmao .....it ain't goanna happen ..

[@EvilVillianInc]

@@MrPushpuller Why does that matter? What is with settlers and their disgusting habit of poor bashing? Classism runs deep in the blood of settlers it seems.

[@taliaware1110]

Shane Jones was brilliant and he won respectfully

[@CHESSTICAL]

Not to mention the government support

[@00287eeturner]

Way too go Shane, see when she starts to lose the argument she blames him for picking on woman lol, what a joke.

[@sox7784]

👍

[@worknehfollow6688]

Can you please employee neutral reporters? My tax money is wasted.

[@ll-rb7or]

That lady must have blinked 5 thousand times 😂

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

It's a common tell of liars.

[@janec1242]

in her captilist false fluttering eyelashes...

[@2wahineandadog]

Seriously your making fun of a disability - classy

[@jackiebiggs7071]

​​@@2wahineandadog it's the great big false eyelashes shes adopted wearing.

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@2wahineandadog blinking isn't a disability lol.

[@AdvocateOfJamaica]

I must have missed it: what did Shane say that was misogynistic? Isn't calling him an "old dinasour" ageist?

[@gorillaSportsShow]

Disagreeing with someone is now considered offensive.

[@purefoldnz3070]

6:38 finally some sanity. Shane is right it was tokenism that got out of control.

[@brucerobertson5919]

Shane Jones should make all Maori proud. He holds great mana.

[@greencloud2225]

If Debbie is not a professional politician she should turn down the fat pay packet.

[@2wahineandadog]

If that were the case we would end up with a very empty parliament...although we might then have more money for other issues..

[@leroyd6778]

You think Luxon, Shane Jones, Winston don't just want their fat pay packets? Winston next two generations of family are gonna be loaded from all the taxpayers money he's miked in his lifetime.

[@christinegodinet5673]

@@leroyd6778 The statement was, 'if she 'is NOT a professional' politician, she should turn down her pay packet'. Because if she isn't a professional politician - then she should have another job, and only be a part time politician. ONLY professionals do a job full time and get the pay for it. (unless they are retired and on a pension - or tax payer funded wage as Jacinda - that destroyer of our nation is).

[@kjr2868]

20% of the NZ Population (or 100% of Maori - as Debbie is claiming) are not being represented at this protest. Shane definitely had a fairer argument!

[@dragonrings14]

Maori only make up 17% of the population anyhow and that is only if you include ANYONE with any Maori connection. If you take those who solely identify as Maori then it is 8%.

[@djhemirukahemisphere8893]

We can't all drop tools and protest. It's a tragedy that Maori all over the nation take to the streets today to combat issues that concern us

[@peterlattimore6013]

@@djhemirukahemisphere8893 what exactly are they protesting over? From an outsiders view point, they seem to be upset their gravy train has stopped and are upset. It appears they want benefits without the responsibility.

[@chrissolutions]

Marxists always claims to be speaking for an identity group. BLM does this to blacks in the USA and the Maori Marxists are using the same leftist tactics

[@kjr2868]

@@peterlattimore6013 I like Shane Jones's answer best, 'maintaining the victimization of Maori??'

[@richardandmichellelifeadve3473]

Im with Shane 😊

[@vanyawere5938]

Oh dear how smug is she

[@purefoldnz3070]

honestly she looked so angry haha especially after getting owned so badly by Shane and then she'll swear allegiance to King Charles so she can get her paycheck.

[@rotofotonz5150]

Nice to see the comments open maybe TVNZ will start listening to there viewers

[@truthprevails5056]

My thoughts too! They so often close comments to thwart debate. Lets see how long they keep them open here...!

[@paperclip612]

​@@truthprevails5056 Absolutely agree!

[@theoriginaltoadnz]

So true!

[@chrisallum9044]

lol as if

[@andosoup98]

i can only think its a mistake

[@normankeoghan5298]

1 News with comments open ,that’s a win for NZ First right there. Well done to Shane on his response to these two Woke Ideologists. Bringing that response into a political debate leaves the Maori party looking very weak to say the least. That’s ok they are putting there best speaker forward, How to shame your constituents in one easy lesson. To the reporter, maybe it’s time to throw in the towel.

[@krisp4889]

Media is terrified they will be defunded and actually have to present actual content and not just parrot Government Provided propaganda__ been a few "retirements lately" of some of the worst hacks .

[@EvilVillianInc]

Hahaha "Woke". How influential the US culture war was on sleepy Nieuw Zeelanders is ridiculous. It must be because they left their own culture in the northern hemisphere. They had to substitute it with brainless US political rhetoric and slurs.

[@elizabethsav8474]

And pick yr paru towel up on the way out US, tRump made that up, US 😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@koro287]

2 replies missing, back paddock anna! that comment will disappear too.

[@overover..]

Why can they not just accept we voted for this, tantrums and blanket media bias will not change how people feel

[@2wahineandadog]

No it won't

[@ricksmith9177]

Not everyone voted for this

[@daveyboots79]

The last government didn't have to scrap together a coalition of chaos... but the tantrums haha, oh boy the tantums... How quickly you forget to be able to say that without a hint of irony

[@siouxsioux2725]

​@@ricksmith9177Majority did

[@viratkishore6930]

It's actually awesome, makes people even more supportive of the new govt

[@Spiderman1a]

No one knows why they are protesting .....imagine if the European never came here ....us maoris will be running around half naked without WiFi no electric cars ......😂😂

[@2wahineandadog]

The British didn't invent WiFi or electric cars????

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@2wahineandadog lol Europeans were playing around with electricity thousands of years before Maori even stepped foot in NZ, and the English laid the groundwork for WiFi through their radio technology in WW2, which was then patented by an Australian.

[@briankemp2116]

@@2wahineandadogDuh ! .........unbelievable.

[@Spiderman1a]

@@2wahineandadog whatever ..

[@StGammon77]

Youre the maori kiwi I can be mates with koi koi

[@user-pn5sh7pc3r]

Shane Jones for the win

[@bobolulu7615]

Im backing Shane Jones. This man stands for New Zealand. At least when he speaks, he speaks sense. The other person thinks she speaks for ,her people,. If that isnt racial separation i dont know what is. Bravo Shane Jones.

[@kosmosgemini4853]

If your not Māori than you wouldn’t know.

[@askay2k]

One person one vote, and the people have chosen.

[@harmonyadams7577]

Dear Breakfast and Maori Party, where are the protests for baby Ru. Why isn't there more coverage on this story. You're always holding oranga tamariki to account. Why is the silence surrounding this baby's murder allowed to continue? Like so many others before him?

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

They don't care about children. Only power and money.

[@michealwalford2905]

Well said sir' And respect for all victims of crime..not just historical.

[@2wahineandadog]

Why not direct this to Shane Jones and NZ First - your complaints are only at Te Pati Maori - you can't disparage TPM and then look to them to fix things in the same sentence....

[@somefinndude]

What the hell does being a woman have to do with anything?

[@poncholarpez6233]

Nothing, it's a cry bully deflection tactic

[@deanwitt7903]

It’s just another card to play when your trying to portray yourself as a victim .

[@2wahineandadog]

Men and women see/think/work differently it's a different perspective or viewpoint - not sure why everyone thinks it's a "card" that can be pulled out - probably how Shaneel Lal and the transvestite groups think it works but not in actuality

[@questor55]

She's an intersectionalist, so she's used to that claim having currency. The claim relies on the increasingly absurd assumption that women lack political power in this country.

[@antmanatthemoment7233]

Let's ask Debbie what a woman/wahine is

[@oscarharriet7030]

Well done Shane Jones. Interesting that, unable to play the race card in an argument, the agist, misogynist line is trotted out instead.

[@paulleighton7078]

Haha you are 100 % correct here , hopefully this nonsense won’t have any legs any more

[@oscarharriet7030]

@@paulleighton7078 Absolutely appalling and biased journalism on display as well; Shane Jones did well to keep his cool in the face of a truly unprofessional interview. Please find some decent journalists and less of these Paddy Gower type egotistical ‘show ponies’.

[@iCanBeDaniel]

Well done Shane Jones, handled very well and talking sense.

[@louis44100]

One rule for all New Zealanders.

[@nigelcole299]

Her body language tells us everything.

[@LowerHuttHorsesense]

NZ state media calling King Charles a dinosaur. What a disgrace

[@rjh9220]

Entitled radical Maori, the embarrassment of our fine country.

[@jenniehaxton1240]

Professional discourse from Shane Jones not so from Te pati M who demonstrated personalised responses

[@grantadamson3478]

Her responses were purely emotive. Quite childish and immature. Why would anyone choose her to represent them.

[@licriss]

No, "Debbie trades on victimhood" is not at all a professional comment

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@licriss it's literally the truth lol.

[@daedalus7677]

@@licriss and yet, she does!

[@Millektm]

All marching off to the nearest KFC or Macca's or both by the look of some of the crowd,probably would have got it for free under Labour .

[@bryanthomas3840]

She proved him right by carrying on as a victim.!

[@KINNZ94]

She plainly shames Shane for his age. Hmmmm.. And she is so offended for everything.

[@timpope7274]

Debbie pulls some funny faces.

[@mashelalnaar]

I think that's her natural state.

[@pietdebeer7972]

no, that's the moko

[@danfray4685]

The bar code accentuates it.

[@scottgriffiths326]

And blinks alot

[@EvilVillianInc]

@@The1234joe4321 Hey, a WS with an original thought. Go figure

[@user-wu8mp9ue1g]

Her Geen rock carving keeps getting bigger, what is she feeding it ?

[@harryflashman4542]

Taxpayer's money.

[@geoffstokes]

Speak for all New Zealanders not just one ethnic group, which, incidentally is actually of mixed heritage. Why don't you acknowledge and honour all your whakapapa, not just the Maori side. You're not half or quarter of a person you know.

[@krisp4889]

A 32nd used to be enough to get a Maori Affairs Loan__ hence my 6', blue eyed, blond work mate (born in Australia ) qualified__ clearly he was an oppressed Maori!

[@HaturiniPaoraAka-nk1ue]

Lol

[@EvilVillianInc]

I agree with the overall sentiment of what you've typed. However, each individual person gets to decide who they are. Māori is a culture, language, and heritage. I have Irish heritage. I'm not Irish and never will be. I've never been to Ireland, I don't speak their language, and I don't participate in their culture. It is unfair to claim I am Irish. How disrespectful to Irish people who live and breathe their culture. "Culture includes the many aspects of a community's life that are taught, learned, and practiced on a day-to-day basis. Heritage refers to one's family background or historical lineage, which may or may not be reflected in the culture that one is a part of."

[@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700]

Honouring the Treaty will benefit every culture and race in Aotearoa NZ. Would you rather see Maori doing well and being successful or in prison, impoverished or violent? You only need to look around the world to see the same pattern of the effects of colonisation upon indigenous people like Ireland... e.g. the IRA. Honouring the Treaty is the solution for everyone.

[@2wahineandadog]

Do you understand how genetics work, Maori's can produce blue eyed blondies and shock horror there are lots of Maori's living in Aussie. If your inference is that your mate fraudulently obtained a MA Loan back in the 80's I think we can let that one go.@@krisp4889

[@geofflewis8599]

Debbie is 3/4 white New Zealander..she should understand her own history..

[@manu3281]

Never forget the damage labour did against Kiwis?! 🤨

[@96Caleb96]

Notice how the host instantly argues when shane jones speaks but lets the one sharing her views speak

[@sox7784]

She’s updating her CV

[@craybro]

How can Debbie with 3% of the party vote claim to Maori? The vast majority of Maori chose to vote for other parties.

[@janconway2880]

The majority of NZ's voted that they wanted a change and not the way Labour was taking us, so what she is saying she doesn't agree with the outcome, so she doesn't agree with the democratic voting, demonstrations wouldn't happen without the democracy way, I am so tired of her mentioning the colonialism way, this is woke language and it is crap, that's why NZ's pushed back against this way of thinking and teaching. This country is not racist as yet, but the way Maoridom was taking us, it was certainly divisive, to have your own health system would have been the makings of Apartheid and it would have divided the country even more. Maori are already very wealthy, through the Treaty of Waitangi, and it should be ended so that NZ can plan for all NZ's and get the overseas debt down and push for all NZ's, otherwise you will have more NZ's leaving the country and going to Australia.

[@2wahineandadog]

She didn't say she didn't agree with the outcome? She was clear that the previous governments direction was not all correct and hence why Te Pati Maori exist. I would love to know which "Maori are already very wealthy" you are referring to - that is such an odd statement.

[@edwardtupper6374]

More Maori live in Australia than NZ

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@2wahineandadog the Maori economy is worth billions of dollars. It's not pakehas fault they don't share it lol.

[@krisp4889]

@@2wahineandadog Several of my Maori friends are multi millionaires__ they don't seem to have overcome their "oppression", but then they live their lives looking forward for opportunity, not backwards for victimhood and a free lunch__ Bizarrely their mixed race daughter is also leaping ahead in life, a University degree, worked her way through varsity, no parental hand outs__ amazing what a work ethic can do to improve your "LUCK" To quote a billionaire " The Harder I Work The Luckier I Become"

[@janconway2880]

@@2wahineandadogMaori Iwi up to 2021 worth $6.3billion.

[@greyhamlogan2255]

I voted NZ First in line with their and ACT's party policy on co-governance and fully expect this to be enforced.

[@mixmastamaori3931]

Maori party. We have been oppressed and no one will listen to us for more than 1 month. Let's protest. Us Maori have been privileged for so long we can't see it

[@JP-hw4me]

Ka pai Shane Jones !! 💪

[@Sadder302]

The translation doesn’t makes sense ,

[@111mcivor]

Swear to the king to be in parliament or otherwise head home.

[@philbennett4494]

Interviewer should be neutral , this is a disgrace. Shane is spot on once more...

[@susanoreilly7202]

Geez I'm sick of this there's alot of people struggling not just maori....This when you don't get your own way and scream racist is so unintelligent...

[@arapetaashton9542]

In hindsight though Māori have been subject to 200 years of displacement on our own land? The struggle has succeeded at-least 8 generations of Māori. Do look at the bigger picture thank you

[@watanfucked9000]

@@arapetaashton9542 university entrance lower for Pacifica and Maori, lower tax for Maori business owner sounds fair to me 😂

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@arapetaashton9542 look at the bigger picture bro. Many groups have suffered much, much worse then the Maori.

[@Hog-mc9ex]

​@@arapetaashton9542this land has been around for millions of years! It's not just maori!

[@Bryn-hc8fc]

​@@arapetaashton9542100 years of benefits

[@mr2981]

It's funny how the importance of changing names back to something most people can understand is questioned, while Labour and TPM made these wholesale changes In the first place, so apparently they thought it was important then. Hypocritical...

[@2wahineandadog]

Great we are in a cost of living crisis and yet we have $1m to waste on changing letterheads and websites etc AGAIN

[@grantadamson3478]

@@2wahineandadog Didn't you understand the reasons behind the changes even though they were quite well articulated to us all?

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@2wahineandadog wait till you see how much taxpayer money gangs get lol.

[@grantadamson3478]

@@AmonAnon-vw3hr Yeah right. What's your point? And do you have an actual fact or is this just BS

[@DaHandDatFeeds]

@@grantadamson3478 Yeah. Apparently people don't have the capacity to read, speak bilingually, or learn these days.

[@briananderson5634]

This is why I no longer watch TV.

[@glennhowlett2082]

Well done Shane.

[@GregoryFache]

Stop rolling eyes please

[@marklinehan3509]

Well done Shane Jones. Kept his composure despite being challenged by 2 wahine

[@jackalenejohnson6574]

Thank God Shane is in governance not the other with him now

[@dona825]

Shane Jones is 100% correct, the biggest threat to Maori us Maori. Maori expect privelliged rights when this is a multicultural democratic country. Equal rights for all.

[@sox7784]

He is spot on

[@2wahineandadog]

That is exactly what we want but what's written on paper and reality aren't the same thing.

[@pgreen8531]

Couldnt debbie fund a bigger platic tikki in the two dollar shop

[@BruceWayne1988kl]

Good on ya Shane speaking what most Newzealanders are thinking