Dawkins Left LITERALLY Speechless | EPIC DEBATE

John Lennox and Richard Dawkins debate the topic of God's Existence.

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

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[@thermalrain_yt9725]

This guy's didn't say anything substantial. All he said was I disagree because I just do. You have to shy away from God being created because that ruins the whole argument. How convenient it is that god is never ending. You can't just say oh God has been there forever because reasons. As soon as we figure out how things work god gets pushed down further and further. You literally keep just making it up as you go. Your argument is completely irrational and delusional

[@voiceofreason162]

You're on the right track, but debate isn't necessarily the answer. My experience of that, is cocky people, certain of their grounding, oft become hardened cocky devils bent on doubling down. World views come with concrete shoes and nothing convinces them they're drowning at the bottom of an ocean of deceit. Until they decide they've had enough. Try widening your content type. How about a second channel for people to submit their testimony? Couldn't hurt. Your average atheist thinks we suckered on religion milk, went through indoctrination school, and then someone bullied us onto our knees until we agreed to follow God (insert version here). That's not my story, and most I've met have never been told. Albeit the suggestion does open a door to looney tunes fakes, of which there are many. Chew it over. Blessings.

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

@@voiceofreason162 Hey Bill! Really appreciate this comment. And believe it or not, I do agree with you! I would LOVE to start featuring testimonies! (It’s just a bit more difficult to coordinate, find the people willing to share on camera, etc) but I promise I do have a lot more plans for the channel than what is currently being served up.

[@voiceofreason162]

@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Nice to hear, but the camera thing is a bad idea. Simpler to get people to email their story, give them formatting rules to keep it concise, and put out a narration, maybe a little mood music, sympathetic images, let the message do it's own telling. Ten mins max. Back it up with a visual overlay for hard of hearing. You eliminate the freaky ones and amplify the genuine ones. Put them in a folder. Let ppl peruse. The benefit of this it reports the interactions with God rather than pushes proofs for God. Think Paul of Tarsus and the Road to Damascus. That's great staging. There are plenty out there that have their own road to Damascus experience. That impacts a life like no science experiment ever could, and you can't bottle it.

[@thermalrain_yt9725]

@@voiceofreason162 Whether you admit it or not the vast majority of children in this country are TOLD God is real and Jesus died for your sins. When you're told that no if and or buts everyday you're pretty much forced into it. Is that the whole story? Obviously not. But to deny that's what happens is a lie or you're just too biased to see it. The reason most atheists think that is because it's what happened to us. We didn't just make that up out of the blue. I listen to a lot of Jordan Peterson and he has changed my mind on the bible and God quite a bit. I can clearly see the positive impact it's had on the world as a whole. I also see the negatives. I see the power in stories and how it can change lives. It's a net good for the world imo. That doesnt make a invisible mass murderer in the sky more plausible though. It's just means people have used the belief in God and stories to understand the world and make it a better place. Now does that make God real? Well possibly. As real as any other narrative. I don't think pushing people to believe in a physical agent controlling the world is the right way to go about it.

[@TrevoltIV]

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."

[@alexstewart8097]

Leaving God out of their knowledge...

[@alexstewart8097]

1-Last time that any one in all honesty checked , UNlike Steve Jobs and Michelangelo Jesus, God incarnate DID COME came into his own creation AeLready. 2- And He was murdered by some very proud /greedy people in kahootz with a foreign empire, just like many here in the US and in the Western world at large have sould out to the commie Chinese with delusions of world hegemony , and have been doing so for a while now. 3- And still atheists like Dawkins ask that why we can't we see God...? For starters, when Jesus, God who saves, came into the world as a good rabbi, a teacher loving all and doing only good , by default He revealed what was in the hearts of many, offending the virtue signalling wokes of His day who cancelled Him , or so they thought, by hanging him from a tree between thieves from the right and the left , after the crowd wanted the rabble rousing radical Barabbas freed instead .(does any of that sound any similar yet to what's going on in the US today?). 4-Pretty much that same lack of a feasible, workable way requiring the willful cooperation of all people is painfully evident in a sizable swath of today's generation, hell bent on destroying this, the greatest, freest and most generous country in history (enough to look around to SEE )signifying that it most likely will be deja vu all over again for Jesus , of the playing hard ball kind , a la Yogi Berra , but for real, if He'd ever come back mind you. Guess that once is enough and next time it'll be ASLan , curtains and lights out for the iniquitous. 5-For either coming back as a ferrous dictator or a weak enabler , which won't satisfy people on either extremes of the political spectrum and would for sure be a big disappointment to the freedom loving people of good will who strive in all earnest to be better and fair down the middle IS OUT of the question, for the same God who went to the cross rather than compromise on the Truth, BECAUSE OF HIS NEVER CHANGING HEART AND STILL SAME AND FOREVER UPSTANDING MORAL CHARACTER, FOR HE IS GOD, CREATOR AND THE SOURCE OF ALL THAT'S GOOD AND NOBLE, THE LORD JESUS WON'T ALLOW HIMSELF TO BE MOCKED, NOR EVER BE ''SUCCESSFULLY'' TEMPTED BY DEVIL AND MINION ALIKE INTO BEING ANY OF THOSE TWO THINGS :TIN POT DICTATOR OR BENIGN ENABLER TO WORKERS OF INIQUITY. Besides, the devil tried that in the desert after 40 days of the Lord fasting , before commencing His 3 years ministry and miserably failed at it. 6- But still as a sovereign God though, His is still the choice to scatter and send away the proud empty by dispossessing them , if they keep up with their shenanigans and don't repent Pronto! from putting their Talent, Treasure and the Time only at the selfish service of their own interests , while hurting others with their each day that passes more evident disinhibition , little empathy and lack of compassion and solidarity towards most (heck, they've even gone after the children as of lately ,the satraps). That is the same set of behaviors that caused the pious Habakkuk to complain to the Lord millennial ago,and that still is agonizingly present and getting the more direly extreme these days. No gusta! 7-That's precisely why these are ''as the days of Jonah'', when the times are a changing indeed for not in vain, a loving and patient to a fault God ,like some say, merciful towards even the UNdeserving, wanting ALL to be saved, mainly from themselves, IS beckoning US all to repent now in sack clothing and ashes. 8-Those who have ears HEAR, for The Lord is showing a compassionate way out of this woke Post Truth ''new normal'' that worshipers to the foreign gods of wokeism are trying to impose on the rest of US. Call it a freely given pragmatic way out from the storm that'd take place in a very dry desert of their own choosing...if only so they'd start worshiping the real Lord, Our God after listening again to His voice there.. 9-So heed the warnings, for the Lord is good, more than good really, BUT NO PUSH OVER. Don't ever wait to find out how so. 10-...Shema!!!.

[@JohnSmith-cf4gn]

Exactly. 🙄😁

[@TrevoltIV]

@@alexstewart8097 They assume you have to just have blind faith in God meanwhile there’s so much evidence they just ignore. I’ve noticed the biggest haters of the Bible do the least research into the Bible. Anyone who legitimately spends a meaningful amount of time researching the history and proof behind God will undoubtedly come to the truth

[@derekallen4568]

​@@TrevoltIVwhat truth? Your truth. The truth is, the bible is not history. It's a bunch of myths copied from other myths. Dying and rising gods, walking on water, turning water into wine, all been done before. The feeding of the 5000 by Jesus with just 2 tuna fish sandwiches, was copied out of the old testicle. Elisha fed a 100 with a tiny amount of bread. Jesus had to be bigger and better. Show me one instance where the laws of nature have been suspended outside of the bible.

[@voiceofreason162]

Dawkins lost me at, "there's a multiverse." If ever there was a statement of blind faith. Right up there with, "Aliens created us (yes, he said that), followed by, "smarter aliens were made by even smarter aliens, that were made by even smarter aliens." That was made by.... nothing........... His biggest problem is he is at war with a god he created because he doesn't like it. That isn't an atheist, that's an idolotrist- with issues.

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

Exactly! I don’t have as much faith as Dawkins

[@voiceofreason162]

​​@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Not to mock the man, he's spent most of his life squashed between two points of view: It can't, and I won't. The science isn't on his side, because every time it proves him wrong, he retreats behind another philosophical bias. Let me explain why. Until he was 16 years old, he was a Christian. High Church disenfranchised, zero relationship Christian. You know the type. In University he discovered girls, liked immorality, and then God got in the way. Source: Richard Dawkins. That's his testimony. That's his choice.

[@wifereviews8751]

The four horsemen/ Richard Dawkins / Sam Harris / Christopher Hitchens agnostic/atheist crowd always lost me and how no one called them on their logical paradox when it came to issues with religion and God, Hitchens said religion has an infinite regression problem but so does atheism, oh maybe it was the 'big bang?' or multiverse of hotels and 'universe creating material', ok, how'd it get there? They only recognized this issue with the presupposition that 'God needed to be created'. Same 'infinite regression' problem that they never thought of or acknowledged AFAIK

[@JohnG-tv3gc]

Therefore you're right?

[@voiceofreason162]

@@JohnG-tv3gc I'm going to quote you. "Where's the evidence. I can punch holes in this all day." Fine. How hard did you look? Which sciences? Which experiments did you observe? What history have you reviewed? What archaeology? I actually did quote Dawkins on both aspects. The interesting observation I see here, is how you asked me to demonstrate evidence of what I said, not evidence of what he said, which is a matter of public record. And I have him on tape saying that. Level playing field, John. Me? I'd be intrigued. What alternate universe did astronomers find? What alien civilisations are referenced? Where did they come from? When did they live? What levels of biological evolution did they introduce? How did we benefit from it? Where in the Genome does it show? Anyone can say "I can punch holes in this all day." -- but the only holes you may decide to punch is in the side you don't like - while giving a free pass to the side you do. So...... when are you going to investigate? And which discipline will you tackle first? Just curious.

[@andrewscott1268]

I have to commend you on a fantastic channel, Brandon. As an atheist who is starting to soften and open up to these ideas more, your content has been so enlightening. I really appreciate your commentary on the except videos. It's salient, clear, unpretentious and has really touched me. Thank you.

[@L.Ron_Dow]

It's also B.S.

[@jamesedington9126]

Just go at your pace, you'll find your answers. God bless.

[@ajdrums8075]

The Guy labelled the video Dawkins left LITERALLY Speechless then he proceeds to cut out all of Dawkins responses. The guy deserves zero credibility

[@jamesedington9126]

@@ajdrums8075 yea I am a Christian and I didn't see where he left him speechless either, but I will have to go back watch it again to see what your talking about where he kept interrupting him.

[@ajdrums8075]

@jamesedington9126 Not interrupted. The guy that made the video edited out Dawkins responses so ofcourse he was left literally speechless 😄 🤣

[@musicmasterplayer4532]

What a pleasure to hear a debate where the participants are respectful and listen to one another. No extreme hyperbole or angry rhetoric. The subject deserves this approach. Many who are now Christians were once atheists, so it is appropriate to be respectful and not take umbrage at disagreement. These issues are at the heart of human existence and are vital to our self-understanding.

[@user-pr8cw7zx1t]

And even more who were Christian are now atheists or agnostic !

[@zz-nc5kx]

Many who were once Christians are now atheists as the more they examined their religion the more it made no sense.

[@CoffeeSipper555]

I mean, many people go crazy as they get older, i wouldn't count that as something positive, getting closer to death is no excuse to intentionally acting retarded, the Moment i realize i am starting to believe in ghosts i am probably jumping off a cliff.

[@jcsmith3806]

​@@CoffeeSipper555Lol, with age also comes wisdom... For thousands of years, humans around the world have sensed or believed in a higher power, and have always sought it out. It's built in. The human condition is intelligent enough to know just by paying attention that no part of our existence is some kind of accident. What human have you ever meet has the ability to build planets, a sun,put stars in the sky, create a moon that effects the ocean, or that can create a tree, bush, flower, dirt, animal, or anything from the planet that we thrive on? The planet heals it's self. And it contains everything we need to sustain life on it. That's not an accident. To believe it is an accident is foolish. Not being able to understand it is normal. But not unfixable. But even when you try you will probably die without all your questions answered. But having faith will ease your mind. I have faith and haven't missed out on nothing my short life on this planet has to offer. I am captivated by the wonders of this planet, and the universe I barely know a thing about.

[@ARottenMonster]

@davidelombardi4834 Don't worry, it's not just atheists who become Christians. I have also witnessed Muslims, followers of Krishna and people who practiced the occult or made deals with the devil become Christians as well. Former drug addicts and alcoholics, members of the mafia, prostitutes, as well as artists and academics. People from good families, people from terribly broken families. Teachers, electrical engineers, neurosurgeons, architects, seamstresses, IT professionals, I can go on and on. For each of the above I can add the names of people I personally know. Truth is for everyone. I used to be an atheist. Thought religion was for people who are too stupid to understand science. I studied molecular biology, so *obviously* I understood... I come from a country where Orthodox Christianity is the official religion, but we have a few protestant churches. I went to one of those out of simple curiosity, thinking if anyone was to become a Christian, I would be the last person on Earth. People who knew me would probably tell you the same (including my now-husband and most if not all the people in my church who gave me the gospel). I went for 3 months, then didn't step foot in the church for another 6. I converted just before turning 22. I hate being wrong, but I couldn't escape from the truth.

[@benana5014]

John Lennox is truly a treasure to us. That man is so wise and kind. He's a massive credit to Christianity.

[@christian_lofi]

Love him!

[@fantasypvpvideos]

Yes, and what's best: everything good about him comes straight from God, every drop of true wisdom, every good word.

[@au8363]

Glory To The Triune GOD😊

[@au8363]

@@fantasypvpvideos AMEN Glory To The Triune GOD😊

[@drive-2786]

he learned form the muslims ')

[@ElliotRitchey]

"If I put two dollars plus two dollars in a drawer at night and go to bed, and in the morning find one dollar in my drawer, I don't say the laws of arithmetic have been broken, I say the laws of Alabama have been broken." 😂

[@rc....]

​@@fromthepeanutgallery1084 you don't get such a simple statement? How was that even racist joke or no joke? Alabama is a race????

[@Maranatha-rk7lh]

@@fromthepeanutgallery1084 This example shows: when a miracle happens it doesn't mean that the laws of nature have been broken but that God did feed a new event in. In fact, if there were no regulatories in nature (which are a miracle by themselves), we wouldn't be able to recognise a miracle to begin with. Another helpful picture is this: apples always fall to the ground bc of the law of gravity. Except when you catch it before it hits the ground. You haven't broken the law of gravity, you have simply fed a new event in, so to speak. Your free will shows: you yourself are not determined by the laws of nature. That's evidence (not proof) that you have a soul, as neuroscientist and Nobel laureate John Eccles was convinced, too. God bless.

[@benstr8156]

Well God needed to borrow 3 dollars.

[@lawratify]

Who created the Sun god, the Rain god, the bibilical god ? If Science has not explained something yet, it is very easy. Create a god and problem sloved. After all people did worship the "rain god" one time didn't they? Has Lenox explained why his god created all the mosquitoes, poisonous spiders, deadly snakes, viruses, and other creepy crawlies which kill millions of CHILDREN and other people each year.

[@benstr8156]

@@lawratify Advances in sciences suggest God created the universe. aka Fine Tuning theory DNA coding suggests Intelligent Creator. Of course you're feel to dismiss it all. NDE testimonies tells us "been there and back'. These people were upset they were sent back to this naturalistic world. Morality didn't come from evolution. Evolution could not impart moral values to mankind. Where did it come from?

[@Roanoa112]

Lmao got to love the power of editing. *Edits & cuts out Richard's response with some epic music in the background* = He was left speechless. The games some people play smh 😂😂

[@jonnichols4663]

Just found your channel a few weeks ago. Love your videos! These breakdowns of larger conversations is helpful in both deepening my understanding but also in discovering where to look for that longer form of content. Keep up the good work!

[@penniesshillings]

Kudos to both Lennox and Dawkins for maintaining a reasonably respectful and amicable debate. My respect to them both.

[@jgarbo3541]

"Respect" teaches nothing. Questioning does. Stay dumb...

[@ninaballerina2807]

Thank God, He has taught me to discern and reject all Liars and the Falsehood they advocate. I praise God therefore I am no respecter of the Godless blasphemer & liar Dawkins who will soon perish with his lies!

[@penniesshillings]

@Nina Ballerina Shall we get the wood and fire and build a stake while we're at it? I'm sure God will be so "proud". :-(

[@ninaballerina2807]

@penniesshillings Clearly you've mistaken God and Godliness for Islam & its false prophet Muhammed, or perhaps Witchcraft & its practitioners. Rest assured, therefore, neither God nor the Godly will either drag you against your will into His holy & eternal Kingdom or burn you and the likes of you at the stakes. What God does in fact is leave you to your own devises until they swallow you up whole and perish with them. The reason He has testified: By your own words you are condemned. In other words, we DON'T stoop to doing your dirty work for you since you are perfectly capable of doing them yourselves. Now, be off with you and your senseless flatteries, showering them on the likes of Dawkins, as is your wont, for neither God nor the Godly are given to flatteries.

[@wynlewis5357]

@@ninaballerina2807 You sound as if you believe in the God of the bible who will send the majority of mankind to hell to burn forever ! Not for a year, a million years but forever. Conversly, the bible says God is love. That is a contradiction in itself. If you believe in everlasting torment in hell then you have lost all of your reason. First, examine your own beliefs.

[@user-ik4kh9lt6d]

John Lennox is such an underrated opponent. He's the reason for my return in faith and Christ. Thank you Mr. Lennox!

[@adrianmor75able]

Praise God for that. I love read that about you.

[@greenguitarfish]

According to the Bible, the universe was created about 6,000 years ago. God gave us genialities, and when calculated we get a pretty accurate date for when God created the universe. Tell me, how old do you believe the earth is ?

[@christianhayter]

Lennox is a liar and a charlatan. Just type the following into your KZbin search box and all will be revealed Richard Dawkins: John Lennox is a scientist who believes Jesus turned water into wine!

[@ambrose9968]

@@greenguitarfish it’s dumb to say according to the Bible because if it taught that it was 6,000 years old then there we be no discussion amongst christians. Yet from the early church till now many have believed in old earth and young earth. I know you don’t study church history so I won’t bash u, but young earth is not what the Bible gives off so I wouldn’t use that. I will not argue or reply again but if u use that comment in the wrong thread a real christian may just rip it to pieces. God bless.

[@alwaysquestionyouropinions1119]

​@@greenguitarfish In what passage does the Bible say the age of the earth? You are making claims that are not true. Please quote the passage word for word.

[@tallcat576]

How can cutting out Dawkins responses mean he was left LITERALLY speechless?

[@philiprobinson2011]

Spot on.

[@user-ls4lx3qt3h]

They need to change the title.

[@philiprobinson2011]

Yes, perhaps it should be retitled to, "Dishonest use of censorship, creates the impression that Dawkins was left speechless" and subtitled, "Can you actually believe anything the creationists say?"@@user-ls4lx3qt3h

[@88pynogrl]

“Created Gods are, by definition, is a delusion”👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻♥️

[@robertmcelwaine7024]

Really? The common theistic argument is that the Universe must have been created by an intelligent, sentient mind due to its sheer complexity. Therefore, would it not stand to reason then that the creator itself should be even more complex? Therefore, if we apply the theistic argument then shouldn't God therefore be created. It strikes me as something of a double standard that theists believe the Universe must have been created and not eternal, but they're not open to the possibility that it may in itself be in fact eternal. And that if there was a God he himself was created.

[@philiprobinson2011]

And all Gods are created.

[@SkyMonkeyLing]

@@philiprobinson2011 no ! Their is only one God ! Names are different according to native language

[@philiprobinson2011]

That is very interesting, but if it is true then all religions must worship the same God. Except maybe where a religion worships many Gods perhaps. Perhaps all Christians and Muslims should just convert to the Jewish faith as the preceded both whilst still worshiping the same God. It would certainly bring an end to all of the inter faith fighting. @@SkyMonkeyLing

[@flutterboypr6481]

​@@philiprobinson2011Which one is created?

[@chetfreeland1920]

While he argued his point well Dawkins was far from speechless I've watched the entire debate

[@BobHopePot]

You mean a Christian purposefully edited a clip and title to deceive people? No… can’t be…

[@semosancus5506]

Dawkins certainly never runs out of things to say... Usually foolish nonsense.

[@chetfreeland1920]

@@semosancus5506 Dawkins is extremely well spoken and factual you might be offended that he makes valid points against your religion but in no way is he foolish

[@semosancus5506]

@@chetfreeland1920 I'm not offended. God is a god of free will and Dawkins is free to voluntarily disassociate from God and Jesus. However, he still hasn't told us the origin of the laws of the universe such as gravity.

[@chetfreeland1920]

@@semosancus5506 who God? He ain't told us shit

[@NavyJonesMusic]

5 years ago, I (Hadyn) prayed the following, "Lord if you're real, you're going to have to see to it that my faith doesn't fail because I'm really questioning." And I thought if not Christianity, then the most likely alternative in my estimation would be Atheism. I proceeded to look at different atheistic talks from guys like Dawkins and Hitchens, Harris etc, and then I stumbled on a debate between Dawkins and some mathematician named John Lennox, and it all became crystal clear. Since then, there are so many things I have questioned more an more about the world around me. I can't come to conclusions on so many things, my conclusions are no longer definitive, but are more like percentages. (Which are at best an educated guess') Yet Ironically enough, thanks to John Lennox, or rather thanks to God through John Lennox, every day I draw nearer and nearer to the Lord, and am more and more sure of Jesus' saving work on the Cross and the resurrection. And so, in some ways a bit like the apostle Paul, in 1 Corinthians Chapter 2 ". . .I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." It's freeing not to have all the answers, except for the one, that counts.

[@Rebecca008]

That’s amazing. I went to watch a debate about the resurrection and it left me really confused. Is there anything you would recommend reading about the evidence for an event?

[@voiceofreason162]

@@Rebecca008--- A small number of published papers. ACCETTA, August D., M.D.- "Nuclear Medicine and Its Relevance to the Shroud of Turin" (.pdf format) [326k] [August 2000] (From the Sindone 2000 Shroud Conference in Orvieto, Italy) (15 photos) An earlier version of this paper titled, "Experiments with Radiation as an Image Formation Mechanism," was first presented at the June 1999 Richmond Conference.ACCETTA, August - “Nuclear Radiation & the Shroud: Head Image” [September 2005] (From the 3rd International Dallas Conference) [8 June 2017]ACCETTA, J.S. and J.S. BAUMGART - "Infrared Reflectance Spectroscopy and Thermographic Investigations of the Shroud of Turin," Applied Optics, 1980 Vol. 19, No. 12, pp. 1921-1929. [8 October 2018]ACCETTA, Joseph S. - Commentary: The Shroud and STRP - Academia.edu - January 13, 2015 [8 May 2022]ACCETTA, Joseph S. - Origins of a 14th Century Turin Shroud Image - Academia.edu - November 15, 2019 [7 November 2020]ACCETTA, Joseph S. - A Commentary on the Authenticity of the Shroud of Turin - Academia.edu - November 21, 2019 [7 November 2020]ACCETTA, Joseph S. - The Alleged Contamination Argument Regarding the Age of the Turin Shroud - Academia.edu - November 29, 2019 [7 November 2020]ADLER, Alan D. and SCHWALBE, Larry A. - Conservation of the Shroud of Turin [December 1993]ADLER, Alan D. and WHANGER, Alan & Mary - Concerning the Side Strip on the Shroud of Turin [1997] (3 photos)ADLER, Alan D. - "The Nature of the Body Images on the Shroud of Turin" (.pdf format) [34k] [June 1999] (From the 1999 Richmond Conference)AGEMIAN-RALEY, Annig - Ariel Agemian Biography [July 2011] (Biography compiled by the artist's daughter)AGEMIAN-RALEY, Annig - More On Ariel Agemian [Nov 2011] (Further insights into the fascinating life of her father)ALBANO, Clelia - Hermeneutic of the Holy Shroud of Turin - Academia.edu/Letters - August 2021 [30 Sept 2021]ALLEN, Nicholas P.L. - Verification of the Nature and Causes of the Photo-negative Images on the Shroud of Lirey-Chambery-Turin [1995] (Illustrated) NOTE: This link is to a text only version of this paper. The original link is no longer available. Link updated 24 OCT 2013.ALONSO, Marcel - Role of Capillarity in the Image Formation Process (.pdf format) [293k] [September 2005] (From the 3rd International Dallas Symposium). Summary findings: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnrTlXywarejaas This barely scratches the surface of the evidence known, which is increasingly forensic, matching the archaeology and historical eyewitness accounts.

[@blitzball4lyfe823]

I’m still not convinced and yet I am questioning and am asking but still, nothing.

[@Rebecca008]

@@blitzball4lyfe823 Are you sure your questions aren’t God encouraging you to dig further and not give up on the idea of him altogether? If your sitting here watching debates about the existence of God are you sure that’s not him opening you to the existence of him? I did read one of your other comments about experience. Not everyone is going to have a supernatural experience, that doesn’t mean you don’t have enough faith. It sort of depends on God’s will for the person. Even though I don’t know you, I think if your asking questions about God and it’s been nagging you for years, that’s a sign of its own. Why not start reading the Bible and praying regularly for strengthened faith, if you haven’t already. This is something I’ve struggled to do in my own life. Of course you don’t have to, but if your asking for a sign why not just go all in and start putting your faith in him? Sometimes God isn’t silent we just overlook what he’s doing because we want to see what we had in mind. Not that you don’t mean it or you don’t have enough faith, just maybe you’ve overlooked some things, like the nagging feeling that there is a God. Again I don’t know, but I hope you know God loves you and we would love to have you join the family. God bless! (Ps I wrote this assuming you aren’t exactly Christian yet, I might have been a little off, lol)

[@Brometheus.]

@@blitzball4lyfe823 I just look around me and I think….what is all of this. My clothes my tv my pets the trees the roads my house…all of it. It’s almost as if nothing makes sense but at the same time it does. I probably sound crazy but I just see everything material, other people, and emotions like love as all I need to absolutely know the truth

[@commonsensebeliever6723]

I have enjoyed watching the entire debates of what you have posted. But I like these short, concise clips with your short commentary to post for others, as most folks won't watch a 1 to 2-hour debate as I will. Perhaps these are just enough to make some folks hungry for more, right? Nice job!

[@normanthrelfall2646]

Genesis chapters 1- 11 is recorded in Chinese pictographs which are silent witnesses of events, these are rather like fingerprints of historical facts that took place, being historical in character not forgeries. Evolutionists believe everything is a forgery if it calls evolution into question, we must not go against this world religion of Darwinian Origins for it is a sacred cow. We must ignore, suppress and disregard any evidence that calls evolution into question. The pictographic clues to our ancient past have remained in hidden view for thousands of years. There is evidence of antiquity which is undeniable, but evolutionists will always remain arrogant and defiant to the reality of this evidence. The question is: Where did the Chinese picture concepts come from? Concepts that are memorialized in ancient Chinese pictographs and why do these figures match the Genesis account. Many Chinese people who were former communists have recognized the historical account in Genesis in their pictographic ancient language and have turned to Christ for salvation, knowing that their for bearers had knowledge of their migration from the Tower of Babel. These are just three pictographs as examples and there are others for those who want to do their own research. Noah’s Flood is mentioned in pictographic evidence particularly where the symbol for eight is concerned, because eight persons entered the Ark. It doesn’t matter what evidence points towards Creation, fall, Flood and redemption through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, evolutionists as goats will still head-butt the evidence, such as andesite stones carved with dinosaurs on them found in Nazca tombs in the desert with patina on them which takes thousands of years to form, speaking of antiquity. Dr Dennis Swift through this evidence he discovered doing excavations, turned him 360 degrees from an evolutionist to a creationist. Dinosaur figurines which are quite numerous in Mexico were studied by Dr Don Patton and were found to be genuine. See you-tube. The evidence is clear that the indigenous Indians lived alongside dinosaurs a few thousand years ago. They did not die out 65 million years ago, this is purely a religious concept. The Turin Shroud depicting Jesus crucified was produced, when the fire of God’s presence raised him from the dead, leaving a negative impression on the shroud which scientists have tried to reproduce, in order to prove it a forgery. When the Lord’s body was exposed to God’s light, just like film being exposed in a camera to light, it produced a negative. In all these things God has not left us without his divine witness of events.

[@MrThewillows]

the respectful manner of the debate is a lesson to society.

[@lulurosenkrantz3720]

As John McArthur said , “ atheism is a moral issue, not an intellectual issue “ .

[@mrtee3988]

@VeggieBurger You could be more compelling if you just admitted you're under the thumb of sin.

[@mrtee3988]

@VeggieBurger (rewrite 2) Oh gosh, you're on yt and yet you're accusing me of being in an echo chamber. Are you on other video platforms, have you even visited? I already know you haven't had an account banned on here, I'd bet money on that. Prove you have even a modicum of sincerity and get off this site, and learn some things. Here, though, I'll refrain... You have plead guilty by omission, the point has been proven. Mankind is omnivore, and mother nature isn't a real thing by the way. Ironic an alleged atheist has such a concept implanted inside your susceptible little head, and you don't even know it's from another religion. Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

[@mrtee3988]

@VeggieBurger My reply is gone, check it for yourself. If you will pause the insults for a minute, I think you would concede that I didn't get on their banned list for doing anything criminal or crass. The Holy Bible is banned, unless used superficially of course. Since you've seen it with your own eyes now, you should be aware that you are the one with filtered content, and I am outside the echo chamber. You understand me? Not going to bother writing a novel here against your nature religion, except to say you've been unwittingly inducted into a clandestine religion. Please... try one of the other video-sharing sites. Get free of the bubble. You're in huge danger. *Job **36:12** But if they obey not, they shall perish by the sword, and they shall die without knowledge.*

[@nitsujism]

​@@mrtee3988Sin is an idea created by men in order to control minds via guilt.

[@ReluctantApostate]

I don't know the context with which McCarthur said that but on its face I would largely disagree. If someone doesn't believe there's a god because they don't agree the evidence supports it, it's a failure of understanding not morals. It would be like suggesting belief in a flat earth is a moral issue and not intellectual.

[@mcwho3]

You've missed Dawkins' points and edited the video to remove his response. He paused... he wasn't left speechless.

[@mileseals4838]

I think the point was just the effect it had

[@Milos_Stojanovic345]

I have watched the whole debate, and still he hasn't given an answer.

[@URAZKIVANER]

@@Milos_Stojanovic345 If I would have asked you a personal question and demanded you to answer with the probability of some domestic consequences you would have also either sway or evade the question or try to pick the words by thinking a minute for each word. So this kind of clickbait title is totally misleading . The Gods Dawkins refuse the believe are the Gods which are depicted written in the books not the ones fundamentalists re-interprets every time they need to evade a topic. Dawkins had read all of the books necessary to be able to understand what the book trying to say and has enough I.Q to understand what kind of cowardly evasion tactics fundamentalists use to re-interpret the definitions ...

[@eugenechavez4191]

It's well edited to give the impression of speechless.

[@beksinski]

Yep. When your point won't stand on its own you sift and edit footage to flatter yourself and add a click baity title.

[@Historyhappenshere]

Where exactly was Dawkins left speechless??

[@bibba2083]

6:35

[@user-ld3cj9oh6j]

Lennox was kind, gentle yet devastating.

[@L.Ron_Dow]

Yeah - ir was like being savaged by a dead sheep.

[@redmatters9318]

All he did was attack and give his opinions but offered no proof. Typical of christian apogists generally .Dawkins was on the money with science backing him. LENNOX is pathetic. G'day from Australia 🇦🇺 😊

[@mikewilson8513]

Not from my perspective. Dawkins was as usual spot on. Lennox offered no proof of a creator

[@petergaskin1811]

And yet failed. Mostly because he is a gentle, kind idiot.

[@user-rb3tk5th2i]

@@redmatters9318 it is hilarious to see how unhappy and angry atheists are, truly the most miserable minority

[@Initials_]

Editing Dawkins' argument out doesn't make him speechless. Both arguments should be shown. Edit: I'm not an atheist, I just don't like the way the video was edited.

[@TheHardVerse]

He’s cherry picking the speeches like he cherry picks the evidence

[@Lilacs4]

I think he was referring to the question at the end about his wife that made him stop and chuckle

[@thadtheman3751]

It a daily dose of wisdom. That mean just a little bit. If you want the whole debate, go find it. Oh I'm sorry you can't find it because you're an aethist.

[@Initials_]

Before you call me an "Atheist" make sure to spell it correctly.

[@YourMomGuy]

@@Initials_you can’t find it because you’re an ass-iest. Does that work?

[@charlesmorris8791]

Fantástico! Please keep them coming!

[@michaelandrews6786]

The comment, 'We only use faith when there is a lack of evidence,' sums up religion perfectly.

[@EduardO-gm7hx]

You literally cherrypicked parts of the debate where 90% of it is John talking. Why don't you share the points that Dawkins made as well?

[@manangbiday24]

If he can be dumb to some arguments then his belief is weak

[@trytobeagooddad8147]

You know why. Because the arguments are meaningless and showing Dawkins words would show that. It’s not helpful for the brainwashing process if logical thinkers utter the truth.

[@francisamoah-boadu9877]

Richard couldn't deliver and it's not by accident but he has nothing to talk about.

[@chriscuomo9334]

He’s a phony. He’s sold his soul for money and notoriety but when he’s called to answer for himself his daddy - satan - leaves him hanging

[@azertyqwerty5946]

I mean literally. He has ''NOTHING'' to talk about. The nothing that exploded and created the universe.😂😂😂

[@christianhayter]

Nothing changes the fact that Abrahamic religions are complete dung

[@MrReasonabubble]

@@azertyqwerty5946 It's really telling how many creationists love to say that science claims everything came from nothing. It highlights how you haven't bothered to look into what's actually said.

[@azertyqwerty5946]

@@MrReasonabubble Its really telling how you assumed that I claimed that science claims that everything came from nothing. I didn't say that. The reason why I made this comment above is because Richard Dawkins believes that the universe came from nothing.

[@TheCesso3]

I was an atheist for a long time, a really hardcore one, almost a "science idolatrous". But the reality is that many atheist look for God in the wrong way, i didn't understand that God is simply out of this world (John 18 36), because of my background on a degree in biological sciences that im currently studying, i was looking for God with EPISTEMOLOGY and not with FAITH, i was looking for a God that obviously doesn't exist because is a WRONG interpretation of what God really is. He is the Creator, not the creation. God bless you brothers, may the peace be upon you all, Amen

[@colinsmith1288]

We must look for god as much with our heart as our mind. The great god deconstruct has been going on for decades and with youtube it is breakneck speed. It easy for a clever person to destroy the faith of someone less clever because they do not have the intellectual tools for rebuttal. That is why people of john lennox's calibre is required to defend christianity. You can be a creationist or evolutionist theist,christ will love you all the same. He only asks that you search with an open heart and mind. The road is tough,people will utter words to shake your foundation of faith,even try to destroy it. That is why we all need one another,to build a bond of godly love. Sometimes we have to shake off the loose fabric of doubt. I commend your struggle,it is far easier not to believe and walk with the unbelieving crowd. I just only wish john lennox had been my father, my life would have had so much more meaning than it does now. God bless you friend.!

[@voiceofreason162]

I'd settle for a little robust integrity out there. Low bar for me, high bar for you. And dare to jump that high, up goes the bar again, and you get a judge's red flag for failing again.

[@voxac30withstrat]

My wife believed that Evolution and God could co exist as sadly so many churches do. Its obvious they really don't know the Bible at all. She is a highly qualified microbiologist and graduated with high honours and a pre-determined perspective based on how and what she had been taught via an evolutionary education subject. It wasn't until one day we had a visit to our church from a fellow from "Answers In Genesis" who amongst other things talked about the complexity of a single cell. An entirely new perspective threw her mental doors wide open so she did some study and decided that that single cell alone could NEVER have evolved that it HAD to be constructed. The complexity was astounding. This led her to review so much of what she had been taught. She now knows that science AND the Bible can work together but first you have to go to God/Bible and then science. Lets be honest God did, after all, create the laws that everything functions under.

[@christianhayter]

I was Chrischun for a long time, until I realised it was all man-made BS

[@rickytavilla4259]

⁠@@voxac30withstrat thank you for sharing that it was beautiful. And yet so true. I also love the site answers in genesis. I am so happy for you that you got to experience her eye-opening moment that must’ve been beautiful.

[@RS54321]

How do you leave someone 'figuratively' speechless?

[@Roanoa112]

With the power of editting lmao

[@rawbfish9355]

This was an awesome clip. Thank you for sharing it.

[@JiraiyaSama86]

"... got faith in your wife. Do you have any evidence for that?" Many atheists I've interacted with miss the point in this statement. One even points out that all Dawkins has to do was ask her to come forward. I don't know if they really don't understand or that they're pretending. Lennox and a few others, like Frank Turek, even pointed out that faith is based on evidence. Not nothing or some equivalent of made up nonsense.

[@RozkminTo]

They really don't. It seems like they using female logic where you can made up any bullshit argument and act like is valid.

[@lordberossus2545]

"Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed." John 20:29 "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1

[@InLoveWithLife43vr]

@@lordberossus2545 cherry pickers. My favorite. can you bring me the most delicious cherry out there?

[@lordberossus2545]

@@InLoveWithLife43vr Depends on what the occasion is. This evenings event is biblical gullibility, and so we've paired it with these pristine cherry scriptures. Of course the bible also gives the opposite advice. Be distrustful to people who ought to be distrusted. Don't cast your pearls before swine. But also, I am the lord thy god, righteous anger, threats of eternal punishment for temporary disobedience.

[@benstr8156]

Faith and evidence. I give you the biblical notes on faith. Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Biblically faith is two parts. 1) things hoped for 2) evidence of things not seen

[@onwardalone1182]

I watched this debate 14 years ago in full along with the second one hosted in oxford, they changed my life... I do my best to think critially, without understanding and knowledge of history and science I was led by my own thoughts to believe God was a fantasy for people who feel more than they think... I then discovered that at the root of it all it is the athiestic view of existence that you find the comfort blanket for those that prioritise their feelings more than their criticial thinking... no objective morality, no purpose or obligation to existence and a bottomless pit of self contradictory, paradoxical philisophical arguments on morality and mathematical impossiblilities wrapped up in rehtoric and charisma

[@sketchy_skeptik]

I think it's been pretty well established that discussing how you feel is important

[@projectg408]

Wonderfully said. I wish more atheists would meet a guy like you

[@danielodemuyiwa9951]

@@sketchy_skeptik There's a difference between discussing how you feel and making how you feel a principle and philosophy for living. They are two different things one is to discuss the other is to make it a lifestyle

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Theism is obviously a comfort blanket. You think a man in the sky is watching over you helping you and will make you immortal. That is the epitome of wishful thinking and delusion.

[@michaelherriott9767]

@@TheTruthKiwi not really. There is a being watching everything hoping that his creatures will draw close to him. He provides the means and leaves it up to us whether we respond or not.

[@douglemcdougle2912]

You can Lead a Human to Knowledge but you can’t make him think

[@normanthrelfall2646]

Here are some facts, not evolutionary speculations! Genesis chapters 1- 11 is recorded in Chinese pictographs which are silent witnesses of events, these are rather like fingerprints of historical facts that took place, being historical in character not forgeries. Evolutionists believe everything is a forgery if it calls evolution into question, we must not go against this world religion of Darwinian Origins for it is a sacred cow. We must ignore, suppress and disregard any evidence that calls evolution into question. The pictographic clues to our ancient past have remained in hidden view for thousands of years. There is evidence of antiquity which is undeniable, but evolutionists will always remain arrogant and defiant to the reality of this evidence. The question is: Where did the Chinese picture concepts come from? Concepts that are memorialized in ancient Chinese pictographs and why do these figures match the Genesis account. Many Chinese people who were former communists have recognized the historical account in Genesis in their pictographic ancient language and have turned to Christ for salvation, knowing that their for bearers had knowledge of their migration from the Tower of Babel. These are just three pictographs as examples and there are others for those who want to do their own research. Noah’s Flood is mentioned in pictographic evidence particularly where the symbol for eight is concerned, because eight persons entered the Ark. It doesn’t matter what evidence points towards Creation, fall, Flood and redemption through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, evolutionists as goats will still head-butt the evidence, such as andesite stones carved with dinosaurs on them found in Nazca tombs in the desert with patina on them which takes thousands of years to form, speaking of antiquity. Dr Dennis Swift through this evidence he discovered doing excavations, turned him 360 degrees from an evolutionist to a creationist. Dinosaur figurines which are quite numerous in Mexico were studied by Dr Don Patton and were found to be genuine. See you-tube. The evidence is clear that the indigenous Indians lived alongside dinosaurs a few thousand years ago. They did not die out 65 million years ago, this is purely a religious concept. The Turin Shroud depicting Jesus crucified was produced, when the fire of God’s presence raised him from the dead, leaving a negative impression on the shroud which scientists have tried to reproduce, in order to prove it a forgery. When the Lord’s body was exposed to God’s light, just like film being exposed in a camera to light, it produced a negative. In all these things God has not left us without his divine witness of events.

[@colinsmith1288]

I really hope john lennox is inspiring a new generation of educators to have spiritual yearnings aswell as academic ones of course. Such a down to earth man to listen too.

[@TastyZoidberg]

Down to earth😅 He’s a Christian; a bleeting delusional sheep.

[@Alwizcaliteach]

@Bass Acoustic Electric Classical Guitar Lessons haha, and historians means people making up stuff to explain made-up stuff in historic manuscripts.

[@Alwizcaliteach]

@Bass Acoustic Electric Classical Guitar Lessons I would imagine everyone has read books covering both sides, I know I have; perhaps I project. There are scholars on both sides, so no need to patronize.

[@lawratify]

Who created the Sun god, the Rain god, the bibilical god ? If Science has not explained something yet, it is very easy. Create a god and problem sloved. After all people did worship the "rain god" one time didn't they? Has Lenox explained why his god created all the mosquitoes, poisonous spiders, deadly snakes, viruses, and other creepy crawlies which kill millions of CHILDREN and other people each year.

[@colinsmith1288]

@@lawratify Firstly we live in a fallen world. We were meant too be protected from such traumas and diseases. Man made gods are not of the abrahamic gods doing. Secondly the cycle of life and death was introduced for animals to keep it under control. Too many herbivores means less vegitation for a growing humanity. People kill animals today to ensure they do not kill out other species of animals or leave us with nothing to grow.And before you get emotional about animal suffering and viruses and bacteria created for population management do,you think any of these animals would care about us in their natural habitat. Animals can and do,spread disease to one another if the naturals means is not there to maintain a balance. Notice how viruses,bacteria and carnivores are selective who they kill or host. It is also well known some bacteria is advantageuos to lfe. Humans , Evolution had to be engineered in such away for people to emerge,adapt and live. It has given us biodiversity to eat and build from. Now we have oils we can heat our homes with and drive our vehicles. Now l cannot give you all the answers but at least l have tried.

[@johndoe-ln4oi]

God is no more trapped inside His creation, or bound by it, than Rodin is trapped inside one of his sculptures or Rembrandt is trapped inside one of his paintings. EDIT: I didn't realize you were about to use a very similar analogy.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Sorry, erm, then can you tell us, what precisely, YHWH and the Spirit, did do, during the blood libel on Jews, Spanish Inquisition, and the slave trade, in Christendom, @john doe ? Which went on, rather more, than 350 years? And long after, perhaps, Leviticus 25:46 (and Exodus 21:20) might have been - prudentially - made utterly defunct, or even composted, without much ambiguity? As that can get a little confusing. As can assorted, schisms?

[@richb1256]

​@@chrissonofpear1384 just because you use vernacular to make yourself sound smart, doesn't make you so, friend. Jesus forged a new covanent with man, thus negating the old covanent, and the old laws. As for the crimes of bad and Christians, I doubt Stalin, an astute athiest, along with Mao, who's crimes alone, led to more death and destruction than those you mentioned, all combined. Yet, I would hardly mention them and ask, "See? Look at what atheism does to the world." No, they are hardly representative of the greater whole. But you, an atheist, a clear intellectual superior, would know that wouldn't you? I supposes that doesnt answer your initial question, refering to God's actions during those times. Frankly, if I told you what I believed you dismiss it. And furthermore, the freewill of man and god's intentions are always at odds during our time on earth. So the actions of those bad christians were theirs alone, and perhaps god didnt do anything, but regardless we all are judged in the end. Friend, i do not mind skeptisism, as I think most nonbelievers are just one "odd occourance" away from faith. An atheist just hasn't had the evidence present to change their mind. And even if they don't, that's fine. I just ask, if I may, that you be more kind. You tried checkmating the other commenter, with a snide, arrogant tone. If you are so intellectually sound, please act like it. Good day to you. :)

[@davidmedellin7074]

@@chrissonofpear1384 well according to natural selection this is no problem only the strong survive clearly from an evolutionary natural perspective all the things you stated are products of human Evolution the religionists are the stronger selection. You have demonstrated pure hypocrisy. Even if what you stated was endorsed by YHWH this is not a question of existence. Poor character sure but not existence. I May be a jerk but me being a jerk is not an argument against whether I exist or not.

[@johndoe-ln4oi]

@@chrissonofpear1384 I know you are doing your best to try to make a point. Take a deep breath, write out your thoughts on paper, then sleep on it. Maybe you will feel more coherent tomorrow.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@davidmedellin7074 Erm, no, sorry - that's NOT how natural selection works. It's not just about strength - it's about niches and adaptability, too. Also, we have more control over our environment than most other creatures, and thus, more leeway, and adaptability - including to help uplift others. And remind me what was endorsed - or not - again? Before we go too broadly, off original topic?

[@walterdaems57]

Because it stands to logic and reason that a celestial wizard shook the universe out of his sleeve (sigh)

[@firetribe2898]

Really well summarized I never heard it said that way. Commentary is spot on. Thank you for this explanation: “The mistake is made by materialists thinking they can find Steve Jobs in the computer.” We made a long series of videos debunking materialism but never thought to form the argument as you have here. Really good work!

[@kingsrd1]

Dawkins was left dumbfounded..... By the editing of this video

[@nifokoula1]

The laws of Alabama has been broken. I died 😂😂😂😂

[@petergamston1]

At no point is Dawkins left even metaphorically speechless; what happens is that you edit out all the the substance of the interlocutor you oppose and then lie about it.

[@deltafx9462]

Doesnt matter, Dawkins lost here. Lennox’s analogy on coins, arithmetic was impeccable. And his comments on created gods absolutely roasts Dawkins worldview.

[@santadeville242]

Quite an "argument", mate, here. Like Jung: "I don't beleive God exists. I know"

[@trollemctrollersen]

"Atheism is a disease of the soul, before it becomes an error of understanding." Plato

[@gilbertlagrange6419]

Who created your "creator?" is, in fact, the question which destroys religion.

[@Andre_XX]

That's exactly why they try so hard to demean anyone who asks it!

[@UltimatelyWell]

Thanks for extracting this clip Mr Daily Dose. Appreciate it.

[@tedgrant2]

God is wonderful. He provides us with everything we need ! 24/7 news, streaming films, WiFi, cell phones and Chinese takeaway. What has science ever done for us ? Nothing !

[@tedgrant2]

@@marcelocarmo513 That as well !

[@anttisalminen1110]

We just do not have Any evidence of him, not in the bible, not in the harry potter, everything is an assumtion, what ever one book writes...

[@joelarmenta9638]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Richard Dawkins is nothing more than a book salesman with a following.

[@chaplainmattsanders4884]

😅 good one!

[@Drspeiser]

And a British accent

[@Dan16673]

Or just honest cause Jesus myth is silly

[@Piercetheveilnow]

Very true. Pure performance for his atheist fans.

[@SNOK1986]

Agreed, he has to stay with his narrative or his income falls away.

[@chaplainmattsanders4884]

Dawkins reminds me of the definition of a word that popular when I was in high school: “sophomoric” = “wise fool.”

[@christianhayter]

Nothing changes the fact that Abrahamic religions are complete dung

[@gweilospur5877]

Lennox’s answer in a nutshell: Christians define god as being uncreated therefore he is uncreated and it is not valid to ask who created god.

[@veenasurapaneni5166]

Thank you Jesus for John Lennox

[@santadeville242]

...for he doesn't know what he's doing😅

[@eliasvalle8241]

Mr Lennox is brilliant and graceful. I never get tired of watching this clip. May God the Father and Son be glorified for ever and ever 🙏❤️

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

AMEN

[@purefoldnz3070]

at the end of the day Lennox is biased as is Dawkins. End of story.

[@mzbarsk]

@@purefoldnz3070 everyone is biased. What’s your point? The question is: are the the arguments rational and logically consistent?

[@LordHaveMercyOnUs247]

May God the Father Son and Holy Spirit be glorified! 🙏

[@CarlosSamuel-ms9ee]

@mzbarsk Which arguments specifically and what do you think that they prove? The reason why Dawkins and others ask, 'what created the creater?' Is because the creater has been invoked in order to explain the universe's and our own existence. If you could explain how the creater came to be, that would offer a possible solution to the problem. If not you are merely replacing one thing you cannot explain with another one, only worse because this one is untestable. The idea that God does not require an explanation is merely an assertion. So ask yourself do you consider an invisible supernatural being that created everything, but does not itself require any explanation a full and satisfying answer to the origin of existence? Also, even if you conclude that a deity is the only explanation, there is still no reason to give special credence to the bibles version of God. Indeed if you read the bible, there are plenty of reasons to why you should not.

[@inukithesavage828]

The anthropic principal? The one that literally says "We don't need to explain why we're here because we ARE here, and therefore we must have gotten here by materialistic means!" THAT anthropic principal? Good grief, and I thought it was bad when he said that he could split nothing in half and get matter + antimatter. Anthropic principal is literally just circular BS. Plus the 'laws' of reality are just theories about what we can see. We don't know what they are, even.

[@wet-read]

Are you talking about stuff that (some people think) calls out for explanation?

[@ioioiotu]

The anthropic principle only shows that the chance we live in exactly the kind of world that supports our life is really 100%, not at all improbable. It's used to dismiss arguments about how unlikely it is that we are here.

[@Papa-dopoulos]

@@ioioiotu I’m not a skilled debater by any means, but I’m curious on how we make the jump from “these are our surroundings” to “therefore the circumstances can’t be unlikely.” Doesn’t that feel like a hidden presumption? You can prove you won the lottery under the same logic, right? “I won it, so it wasn’t unlikely.” Maybe I’m missing something.

[@jona826]

I think Dawkins was saying there are many universes in the multiverse with variations of cosmic constants and laws. Some are devoid of all matter. Some have matter but no life. Therefore, the fact that life exists in our universe just means ours has the happy combination of constants and laws required whilst all those other universes didn't.

[@ioioiotu]

@@Papa-dopoulos What i am trying to say is that the a priori chance doesn't matter because we are after the fact, a posteriori. Suppose you have some electronic blinders that only allow you to see a lottery ticket if it's the winning one. Now you will only observe winning tickets with 100% certainty, no matter how low the chances of a ticket being the winning one.

[@frankfeatherstone8976]

In all of his talks, In the end, Lennox is only left with his faith in magic.

[@DavZeugme]

Tell me you didn't listen without telling me you didn't listen.

[@frankfeatherstone8976]

Unlike a lot of religious freaks I don't believe in E S P@@DavZeugme

[@jk.9300]

@@DavZeugmebeen listening to Lennox for years he talks in riddles and loves his voice

[@JeremySchwartz2027]

Thanks for the explanation at end of the error in the argument, well put!

[@stylembonkers1094]

You didn't show that Dawkins was literally left speechless.

[@MarkChittom]

Exactly. Clickbait nonsense.

[@MrURBETTA]

​@@MarkChittomwhen I clicked on this I said I bet he wasn't speechless :(

[@danalexoff5904]

Sorry you all missed it. It shows as does the most viewed portion, 6:28 mark.

[@danalexoff5904]

@@MarkChittom Sorry you all missed it. It shows as does the most viewed portion, 6:28 mark.

[@Ashoerchen]

@@danalexoff5904 Plain piffle. Before and after 6:28 there was nothing of the kind. There was only Dawkins who realized that Lennox, scientist as he is, obviously struggles with the difference between evidence and assertions. The statement that there is scientific evidence for god is 100% baseless, and if any, Dawkins must have felt pity and agony for this abyss of ignorance by an otherwise friendly, good-humored, sweet-accented and scientifically successful colleague if he just had stuck to mathematics.

[@babooll5632]

It can be argued till the end of time, but will never be settled. It's people arguing over who has the best invisible friend

[@jasonstclair1329]

Judgment day will settle it , and you’ll be there .

[@voiceofreason162]

I like that analogy. ✅ My answer might be the one that died for you, as the other one expects you to die for it.

[@rickytavilla4259]

I used to think that was too. I sincerely hope someday you’ll meet a person like me who actually knows how real God is. I’ve been outside my physical body and am not just a believer but really do know He’s real. And it honestly breaks my heart when I meet people who would rather live without the love of the Creator. If you only knew

[@Skladak_Killer_98]

@@jasonstclair1329 amogus

[@rickh7498]

You describe Richard Dawkins as "Notorious". That is about it. By definition: Known widely and usually unfavourably; infamous! Forget him!

[@kimbirch1202]

No one has ever met a talking snake, or a man living in a whale, or being turned into a pillar of salt. No one has ever seen the sea being parted. Yet, the mindless fools believe such nonsense, purely because these stories were included in an old book !!!

[@dn895]

John came to my university years ago. Made sure to see him and took a couple of mates. Genuine guy, steadfast in faith.

[@christianhayter]

So genuine he lies and misrepresents his debate opponents. A veritable charlatan

[@lawratify]

Who created the Sun god, the Rain god, the bibilical god ? If Science has not explained something yet, it is very easy. Create a god and problem sloved. After all people did worship the "rain god" one time didn't they? Has Lenox explained why his god created all the mosquitoes, poisonous spiders, deadly snakes, viruses, and other creepy crawlies which kill millions of CHILDREN and other people each year.

[@alexanderkovalyov5211]

@@lawratify Schitzophrenia is a disease and it may and should be treated. Circular thinking, without recognition or ability to break the loop, is a main sign of that disease, Topology, the foundation of mathematics, may help as well - if you are looking to learn, instead of spouting gibberish.

[@questioneverything9539]

​@christianhayter be careful, your bigotry is showing.

[@questioneverything9539]

​@lawratify the Bible does explain that very question. Your not really interested in that though. You just want a sound bite. Let me know if your really ready to discuss God. He is always waiting around the corner to have a real relationship with you. He loves you even if you hate him.

[@warren286]

Dawkins is the kind of guy who sounds smart bc he can string together a series of nonsensical ideas together with confidence. If you are ignorant about those ideas it's easy to be fooled.

[@Angrybogan]

Dawkins raises Darwin to an almost unquestionable status and authority. Thr problem with this assumption is that modern science has undermined Darwin. Consider his finches. DNA analysis shows that their species hadn't changed but rathyer mutations happened in their beaks. Darwin observed population genetics but not evolution. Consider mutation as a driving force for evolution: This idea was canonised before molecular and developmental genetics showed that genes are expressed in pathways. Mutations then are either completely lethal if they are early, or trhey are irrelevant if they are late.

[@KingdomOfJerusalem9]

You said very well

[@robertbridger111]

I agree , I’m not the most educated of men Academically, but I have a gift of thinking well out the box , I think that’s where God is he’s not in the same Sphere or dimension that we are existing me , you have to call it the Spirit world which is actually everywhere ,but to us it’s nowhere ,

[@roseyk7677]

Well said

[@Angrybogan]

@@robertbridger111 I've spent my life around academics. They don't have better outcomes in life than the rest of us. No disadvantages there.

[@citizenghosttown]

It's true that Richard Dawkins is no philosopher, but this wasn't quite the takedown that some would like to imagine. Lennox is incorrect when he dismisses the anthropic principle as a mere truism. The anthropic principle is direct challenge to the teleological argument made by Lennox. Here, he dodges that challenge. And it was a bit cheap of Lennox to suggest that because David Hume has criticized induction, that this somehow undermines every other argument he's offered about this subject -- his approach to miracles or his ontological argument. That's essentially ad hominem. It's a bit like saying "You really shouldn't be invoking Isaac Newton in your explanations of gravity - I mean this is a guy who believed the Temple of Solomon was a mathematical model of the Universe". And Lennox's declaration that miracles don't violate the laws of nature is utter nonsense. Of course they do. He's just offering a special pleading. And his word game "Do you have faith in your wife?" was cute, but we all know he's using the word "faith" in a different way --- it's the trust we have in another individual. Finally Lennox is certainly correct in noting that neither Darwin nor the anthropic principle explain the origin of life. But he hasn't offered anything close to an explanation either.

[@AbdulRahman-bi1nu]

We Christian's are supposed to be honest and not edit all the responses of Dawkins and say "he's speechless"

[@normanthrelfall2646]

Darwinian Evolutionary Religion does not belong in the science classroom as it is a contested ideology, it is far from being a fact of science. We should stand up against things we consider to be harmful and troublesome to the health of a nation. Darwinian religion taught as a fact to students is a back door to promoting alsorts of immoral behaviour! It encourages perverse sexual orientations which have always been around throughout the centuries. It sears the consciences of many concerning right and wrong. It promote theft, gambling, adultery, lying, violence and murder etc. If there is no God to answer too for our words and actions, why bother to behave! Sin takes peace away from the earth and replaces it with anarchy, chaos and confusion. When sin gets out of control then curfews will be imposed upon the populace. The nations of the world have rejected the loving words of Jesus to their own detriment. Jesus said love God with all of your heart, [and God is a spirit which you cannot see, but you can get to a place where you feel his power and presence in the temple of your body] and love your neighbour as your self. What is there not to understand? And what is there not to love about Jesus? All the denominations we have today are not the Lord's will, they bring confusion to those who are seeking to know Jesus and understand his teachings. Every idle word spoken by preachers that does not line up with the teachings of Jesus shall be condemned on the day of judgment. Just as many of the Pharisees and Sadducees shall be condemned as they would not adhere to the loving commandments of Jesus. Many refused to repent after the death are resurrection of Jesus. An angel descended from heaven whose countenance was like lightening and for fear of him the Roman soldiers fled the scene and some of them reported back and told the Sanhedrin what had really happened. They gave them large summons of money to the soldiers in order for them to tell a lie, saying his disciples came by night and stole his body away. They said to the soldiers, if what really happened comes to Pilates ears, we will persuade him and secure you. Suppression of the truth still goes on today regarding the insurmountable evidence against evolution. At all costs, they must suppress, ignore and disregard all evidences against evolution, they must protect the sacred cow of their religion. Jesus predicted all this during his ministry right up to the end of this present age.

[@alwilson3204]

One person added that deception, 'we' didn't.

[@normanthrelfall2646]

We are to walk in the foot steps of Jesus and speak the same language. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and Sadducees for unrighteousness. John the Baptist did the same and was imprisoned and eventually be-headed for rebuking Herod. We also are to right righteous judgement! Neo-Darwinism A Theory in Crisis, there is no better way to put it today. There are no transitional forms in the so- called fossil record and the ones that are sited are dubious to say the least, because they do not manifest soft tissue changes: like a dinosaur to a bird as presumed by evolutionists. Where are the millions of intermediate fossils demonstrating evolution? All along the religious chain of events, from life forms in the sea to modern man is pure fantasy and imagination by those who seek to keep a divine foot out of the door when it comes to the origin of life. Jesus said they that are whole need not a physician but those that are sick, go and learn what this means I desire mercy and not sacrifice. My contention is that those who promote this evolutionary ideology despite all the evidence against it are sick and are not worthy to be called scientists, because science is the pursuit of truth ultimately and where ever it leads true scientists follow. Many in the various fields of science associated with Neo-Darwinian will not speak out and change course, because they know their careers will suffer at the hands of their peers. Many true scientists have become creationists because of the insurmountable evidence; they had no alternative choice because of the continual narrative, which is spear-head by people like Richard Dawkins. Here is a term they have invented: “genetic drift” in relation to the speculation of macro-evolution, which the fossil record does not support. All we see is micro-evolution a smart term for kinds within species. There are three limitations that cancel out Neo-Darwinism these are: the origin of DNA and RNA, irreducible complexity within the single cell and the “none existence” of innumerable transitional fossils. With this evidence there should have been a paradigm shift away from evolution several years ago. Life does not emerge from non-living matter and the idea of mutations; they only corrupt already existing information within the genome. There is a degrading taking place every generation; no new information is ever added to the genome by the invented process of natural selection. Nothing is changing and therefore evolving into new species. HMS Beagle has now become a modern day shipwreck relative to evolution. The evidential cargo has blown up in Darwin’s face. This is not widely known but Darwin hated the Biblical account of Creation, the fall, the flood and redemption through Jesus Christ. He stated and I quote: He called the gospel of Jesus Christ a “damnable heresy!” He was at war with God before he set sail on HMS beagle around the world as a naturalist between 1831-1836. The Galapagos isles turned out to be of special interest to him relative to his theory of evolution. He was determined to fly in the face of God and invent an alternative to Biblical Creation. He spent a life time formulating a theory which would eventually blow up in his face. Darwin enjoyed the term “survival of the fittest” which is closely allied with “lawlessness” but Jesus said concerning his loving commandments to mankind “Let him who hath ears to hear, let him hear! Jesus was quite clear, that every man shall be judged for every idle word spoken! By your words you will be justified and by your words condemned. Jesus in his ministry taught people and nations to love each other and to work together for the common good of mankind. He knew the nations of the world would reject him and the gospel message of peace with God., That nations would arise against nations and kingdoms against kingdoms that there would be desolation's right up to the end of this present day and age, culminating in the rise of the Anti-Christ who will deceive Israel and the nations of the world, leading them eventually down the road to the battle of Armageddon. This battle will prompt the return of our Lord Jesus in glory to stop man destroying himself through selfishness and greed. His feet will touch the Mount of Olives and then he will hold man accountable for his actions. I am glad I have made peace with God through is Son.

[@normanthrelfall2646]

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. You have probably never noticed you have a critical and fault finding spirit, so I know straight away you do not have an abiding relationship with Jesus every day, where you examine yourself so that you do not end up with a beam in your own eye, which you may well have. Many professed believers are religious in orientation only. By the way Jesus is not pleased with the denominations which bring confusion to the gospel message through mis-information, traditions of men, taking away from the word of God. You have had a divine appointment today with me, the Lord would have you come into a close abiding relationship with him so he can perfect that which concerns you. The Lord loves you and you must be captivated and encapsulated by that love which will bring about profound changes in your life. There is nothing Rock Solid about Evolution It is a theory in crisis. There are three stumbling blocks or limitations that bring Darwinian Evolutionary Religion into disrepute and they are: 1. No evidence that living matter came from non-living matter [They have been trying to produce life in the laboratory, in a controlled environment for decades but to no avail]. 2. Irreducible complexity within the single cell: all the parts have to be present for it to function. Organisms are made up of trillions of cells and every organism has several systems within it, that synchronize together in order to maintain life. There is indeed complexity that allows life to exist. Irreducible complexity dispenses with the idea of mutations and natural selection in relation to new species. What we see is complex information in the genome that has existed since creation, but it is degrading: See Dr John Stanford’s book on Genetic Entropy. The evidence is shouting at us, for those who have eyes and ears to hear! 3. There are no transitional fossils. Darwin said if my theory be true, there should be innumerable intermediates forms, embedded in the earth’s crust! There are none, even Dr Colin Patterson British Paleontologist in the 1980’s admitted in a reply to Luther Sunderland in America, regarding his book on evolution. When Luther asked him about the absence of transitional fossils in his book, he replied: We do not have any transitional fossils if we had any I would have included them in my book. There are no branches in Darwin’s imaginary tree of life, no branching from an imaginary “common- ancestor” and the term for this branching is “macro-evolution”. We only have evidence at the nodes, which agrees with kinds within species as mentioned in the book of Genesis at Creation, being the biblical account. Evolutionists hate Genesis or should I say humanists, who want to play god with a small g. All we have is micro-evolution kinds within species, this is all we observe living and in the fossil record of events. For example: Dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, birds produce birds, pigs produce pigs, and man produces man, should I go on? This is all we observe. Remember science is about things we can observe, test and study. This anti-God spirit is prevalent today and is responsible for the state of the nation’s leading up to the end of this present age of sin and sadness, just as Jesus predicted, a time of lawlessness and violence filling the earth as in the days of Noah and the Days of Sodom and Gomorrah, leading to the rise of the Anti-Christ who will deceive Israel and the nations of this world by bringing in a time of false peace ending in the battle of Armageddon. This will prompt the descend of the Lord from heaven and his feet will touch the Mount of Olives outside Jerusalem and then he will go against those nations and judge them. Jesus said during his ministry, except those days be shortened there should no flesh be saved. The days are shortened by the Lord’s return to stop man destroying himself through selfishness and greed. There will only be peace when the Prince of Peace returns to set up his kingdom on the earth. Read [Matthew’s] Gospel Chapter 24. This will give you some insight. I am here ministering to the sheep, the goats will always headbutt

[@samhudson1169]

By 'left speechless' you mean you edited out all his responses?

[@scrappycoco6282]

6:28 most replayed part

[@michaelbraithwaite5875]

It's so infantile to claim that either of these intellectual heavyweights could literally be reduced to speechlessness by argument. The mentality of the commentator is revealed by his describing Dawkins as "notorious" - he clearly thinks that anyone who questions his religion is an undesirable human being.

[@Andre_XX]

Agreed, this guy is pretty low down on the scale of intellect and pretty high up on the scale of bigotry.

[@zztopmike]

I love these video titles. "LITERALLY Speechless". I wouldn't have known it without the title.

[@newmercies1]

"..If I find one dollar in the table in the morning I don't say that the laws of arithmetic have been broken, I say that the laws of Alabama have been broken..!" - absolutely love this guy.

[@PeterOzanne]

That's kind of funny, but has nothing to do with the existence, of or nature of, God.

[@nonenow857]

​@@PeterOzanne He was actually answering Dawkins position that miracles somehow defy the laws of nature. 🕊

[@PeterOzanne]

In the case of unexplained remission from cancer, for example, there may be natural healing processes taking place which we call "miracles". They do not prove the existence of a Creator. @@nonenow857

[@markatom7913]

@@nonenow857 With an analogy that falls woefully short as usual. We've all moved things in our world. We know how it happens. No one would say that bills being gone is a supernatural defiance of the rules of mathematics. No one. But by definition a miracle is outside the laws of nature, if not, then it is not a miracle, but just a rarity. ALL people witnessing one loaf of bread feed thousands of people would say something beyond the laws of nature happened. All. So, you can see how silly and unserious it is to compare the two situations. For the people on his side from the start, this appearance of analogy cleverness is unfortunately enough for them to mistake his words as wisdom. They are far from it.

[@markatom7913]

So, if you saw me feed thousands of people with one trout, because God gave me the power, you wouldn't say something beyond the laws of nature had happened?? That's one lonely island you're on. At least John will be there with you. Hopefully, you were just tickled by what really was a poor attempt at humor and didn't think things through. We've all seen moved dollars. None of us have seen a miracle. To think that people believing miracles would indicate something supernatural has occurred, is the same as someone seeing that bills had been moved and somehow calling that a break in Mathematics, is what is truly funny. Over the years, Lennox has stumbled upon a few lines that his unquestioning faithful find so amusing they forget scrutiny, which is an important part of watching a debate. Lennox makes these condescending analogies that don't stand up to even the slightest examination, and we can tell he thinks he's a great intellect because of them. 😂 He puffs up like a peacock and gets a "cat ate the canary" smile on his face. But he actually just constantly reveals his mind's simplicity. He's not profound. He may actually be a negative for Christianity.

[@ThePhormio]

Well, of course he's left speechless if you cut out all of his audio.

[@philsmith2888]

One thing we can say about Richard Dawkins is that he is polite! All gone now in debates

[@marklawrence909]

He isn't always polite, in fact he can be very rude towards believers of God.

[@saintsone7877]

Polite! Since when? He regularly insults opponents. He also interjects when his opponent is speaking in a futile attempt to get them off topic yet protests most profusely should his opponent dare interject. A complete narcissist of the worst kind. Believes he is so superior to others when in reality he talks more about imaginary fairies than facts that are beyond dispute. But he is good for a laugh and should have become a comedian rather than a poor imitation of a true philosopher.

[@lawratify]

Who created the Sun god, the Rain god, the bibilical god ? If Science has not explained something yet, it is very easy. Create a god and problem sloved. After all people did worship the "rain god" one time didn't they? Has Lenox explained why his god created all the mosquitoes, poisonous spiders, deadly snakes, viruses, and other creepy crawlies which kill millions of CHILDREN and other people each year.

[@saintsone7877]

@@lawratify In actual fact Lawton it is clearly explained in the bible had you ever bothered to actually read it in entirety. None of those creatures affected man until the Original Sin of Adam and Eve. But disbelievers such as yourself always blame God for the evils that exist rather than man himself who is the main culprit. Funny that you attempt to blame God when you probably tell everyone he does not exist. Like Dawkins you are the delusional one as Lenox has clearly demonstrated the delusion and hypocrisy in Dawkins many times.

[@marklawrence909]

@@lawratify The sun and rain gods were created after the God of the Bible and are false. The first human couple and their mistake to sin, is why we have been cursed to live in a world that is soon to be reclaimed by God. The sin in Eden caused the downfall, venomous spiders, snakes, and other creatures were never created to harm humans, and when the restored paradise comes the scriptures say that the wolf will reside with the lamb and the young boy will be able to put his hand over the hole of the cobra nest. The problem with many religions is that they teach utter nonsense which makes the Bible laughable; but when you conduct thorough research and study, it all makes a lot of sense.

[@etiennekruger]

This is such a satisfying video format. I would like to have the time to whatch these debates, but unfortunately that's not the case. The effort you put in to assemble the basic argument is much appreciated and earned a sub.

[@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom]

Thank you very much!

[@stevenweint7893]

The effort is put into editing to enhance his preferred viewpoint.

[@ajdrums8075]

Dawkins was left literally speechless because you cut his quality replies out 😂😂😂

[@rupeshkumaryadavv]

😂😂😂, Right bro

[@listeningto8371]

What a shame. I do like replies of quality.

[@dibyendudalui4572]

Exactly. All the videos in this channel are just presenting some intentionally selected cut-outs of some debates, with some misleading captions attached there. This channel seems almost like a clickbait to me.

[@AvatarRoku999]

Watch the whole thing, dawkins got refuted everytime he spoke up until the debate ended.

[@stillkingcam]

I'm so ashamed that I once relied on the ole' "WeLl WhO CreAteD YouR GoD!?" God forgive me as I did not know what I was doing 🙏🏻

[@Kaskadiert]

It is a good argument though, not because atheists would really think there is a logical answer to it, but because theists can't seem to fathom that there doesn't need to be a creator to the universe in the first place. The point of that argument is this: atheists are perfectly fine with a universe whose beginnings are opaque and largely unknown. Only theists think there needs to be agency before the universe. The thing is: if there needs to be agency to create the universe, then why doesn't the creator need agency to be created? Just because he doesn't, by definition? The point is that it's illogical to say it's impossible for the universe to be created out of nothing, but then say the Creator could be created out of nothing.

[@stonedrose23]

"Dawkins Left LITERALLY Speechless" is not a fair title for the video based on the content you provided. In the conversation between John Lennox and Richard Dawkins, Dawkins clearly responds and engages in the discussion. He presents counterarguments and expresses his views on various topics. While there may be points where Dawkins may face challenges or disagreements, claiming that he was "literally speechless" is an exaggeration and not an accurate representation of the conversation. It seems like the title was intended to create a sensationalized impression rather than reflecting the actual content of the video. A more fitting title for the video could be "A Thought-Provoking Conversation: John Lennox and Richard Dawkins Discuss Worldviews and Faith." This title accurately reflects the nature of the discussion between the two individuals and highlights the exchange of ideas and perspectives. It emphasizes the intellectual engagement and encourages viewers to delve into the intriguing conversation rather than relying on sensationalized claims.

[@GayorgVonTrapp]

Dishonesty is par for the course with these theist channels.

[@stevenweint7893]

This guy only offers heavily edited videos.

[@titus2181]

I don’t necessarily disagree, but I think it’s important to note he was referring to the punchline sequence of the video, aka the point Lennox made about Dawkins faith in his wife. Which, did in fact leave Dawkins speechless for a moment. Also, a rather hilarious moment, and in my opinion wholesome as well hahah.

[@GayorgVonTrapp]

@@titus2181 It’s not difficult to be left speechless at the buffoonery of Mr Lennox.

[@jcf7401]

clickbait

[@durandal1909]

It’s great to have these type of debates. This is definitely the type of arguments humans should be having every day. This knowledge is critical for self betterment.

[@thehound9638]

We live in an age where people argue over what a woman is, so I think debates like this will remain a niche interest for the time being.

[@punkrider8758]

@@thehound9638 lol

[@jrgenandersen1849]

Freedom of speech yes to bad dont have that in many countries..

[@Brian-ck9my]

It would have been nice to hear both sides of this debate.

[@petergaskin1811]

But then the conclusion would have been somewhat different. Something along the lines of "Dawkins reduces Oxford Mathematician to a quivering blob on the floor". So obviously this apologist wouldn't have aired it.

[@aarenmathew6258]

@@petergaskin1811 exactly

[@JakeAdkinsOfficial]

The whole debate is on KZbin. I've watched it twice and it's an incredible debate. Both Dawkins and Lennox present tough points but I feel like Lennox really made Richard have to stop and think a few times.

[@urasam2]

@@JakeAdkinsOfficialAnd that is why Dawkins wins over Lummox every time - because he stops and thinks, instead of repeating the same deluded nonsense that Lummox always trots out

[@tedgrant2]

John Lennox does not look like he is short of food. And he looks very pleased with himself. (Matthew 19:23)

[@kuskusdikus6014]

Would have been better if you included dawkins full parts.

[@johndean4765]

If allowed to speak Dawkins would run rings round that opponent.

[@kuskusdikus6014]

@@johndean4765 He was allowed wasnt he? it was a live debate, I was talking about uploading the full clip not just lennox's part so we could have a better idea of whats going on.

[@L.Ron_Dow]

@@kuskusdikus6014 You'll find them in this video *"Richard Dawkins vs John Lennox | The God Delusion Debate"* Having said that, if you watch it then you will see that the moderator (cough) reads a passage from Dawkins's book that he want him to clarify/amplify, Dawkins does so, Lennox babbles on and presents his criticism, then repeat. Notice no time is given for Dawkins to respond to Lennox's diatribe (he becomes increasingly frustrated at this structure - and does forcibly respond to Lennox's tripe at times.)

[@ArtJorgensen]

With skilled editing, anyone could be made to look a fool!

[@lenworth11]

Nah .. Professor Dawkins is capable of doing that without assistance

[@tekay44]

not in this case

[@lenworth11]

@@tekay44 ah, OK .. thanks for confirming .. most cases he's quite capable of making a fool of himself without aid ... makes me worry about our uniiversities & the poor education our children get from them ....

[@zaidal-hindawi1784]

@@lenworth11 😂 Someone’s jealous of Richard Dawkins’ success!

[@ashton4537]

If you actually bothered to watch the debate, Richard Dawkins was certainly not left speechless, in fact his rebuttal was extremely well constructed, surpassing that of Lennox’s argument by far. Whilst I do believe that Lennox is a brilliant mind I have to say, Dawkins is probably one of the greatest intellects of all time, and his arguments are especially incredible due to the fact they are so firmly grounded in science. I encourage everyone here to watch the original debate instead of this butchered clip.

[@L.Ron_Dow]

This video is just an example of the gaslighting that creates 'Believers' in the first place.

[@tonymercer7759]

Who says science is the end all and be all of life and our existence ? Man created science. Who is man ? Greater than science ?

[@ashton4537]

@@tonymercer7759 Who says religion is the end all and be all of life and our existence? Man created religion. Who is man? Greater than religion?

[@tonymercer7759]

@@ashton4537 "Religion" is not the answer. Faith and trust in a living Saviour Jesus Christ is the answer.

[@tranium67]

He is certainly not “the greatest intellects of all time.” Not even close. His book is filled with errors and fallacious reasoning.

[@EduardO-gm7hx]

The irony in John criticizing the point that assumes God must have also been created yet he himself assumes the universe was created.

[@francistan3679]

I don’t know what you heard in Lennox’s “arguments”? There was none at all. I don’t believe Dawkins was left speechless but rather his response might have not been left in. And then there was Lennox: “Richard doesn’t like people who say to him that they don’t believe in the god he doesn’t believe in.” I’m still trying to make sense of that statement!

[@jamesc3505]

I think Lennox made a fair point that "faith" doesn't have to mean unfounded faith. I think it's originally a Christian idea that "faith" does have to mean unfounded faith, though. I'm sure I've heard Christians respond to requests for evidence with "have faith", and chastise people who don't believe without evidence as "not having faith". Nevertheless, Dawkins should know better than to accept it. The rest of it seemed to just be Lennox missing the point that if we assume complexity requires a designer, as the argument from design does, then the designer, who would also have to be complex, would also require a designer. I think what Lennox was trying to say, in that quote, was that the type of god that Dawkins argues against might be different from the type of god that some Christians believe in, therefore Dawkins' arguments might not apply in all cases. I think Lennox just made it difficult to understand because he was trying to sound clever. I think it might actually apply to some of Dawkins' arguments. But where Lennox said it, it was just because he missed the point.

[@stevenweint7893]

Yes!! 😃

[@sefumies]

Why is Dawkins introduced as "Notorious" ?

[@l.j.1163]

People are free to express their opinion of someone and we are free to disagree with them. This is his channel and we can watch the debate on another platform if we choose to. It's always a good thing to have freedom of speech. We can still respect each other even if we disagree.

[@sefumies]

@@l.j.1163 absolutely agree. However, this still doesn’t answer my question. Merely pointing out free speech doesn’t mean questions can’t be asked or answered. Deflection is never useful.

[@timothyget7996]

Great work, thank you.

[@kingofalldashcams7380]

Lennox said "Created Gods are by definition a delusion." Yes! Finally, he understands.

[@rutasa3182]

Yes, finally Dawkins understands!

[@robpullen]

@@rutasa3182did you not understand what you were replying to ???

[@rutasa3182]

@@robpullen Did I understand your comment? Yes I understood it perfectly. As an evolutionary biologist, Richard Dawkins will understand John Lennox's logic and my reply perfectly.

[@davidbell2547]

In other words God almighty CANNOT be imagined. That, in itself would be a delusion, which is a false belief. I would take it one step further and say that Dawkins Description of god, is itself a delusion. In other words, Dawkins belief that Christians believe in a created god is a false belief, or, in itself a delusion. Thus, it's not the God Delusion, but rather the Dawkins Delusion.

[@robpullen]

@@davidbell2547 you saying that it’s a false belief is an assertion and has to meet the burden of proof. So where’s the evidence ?? And the bible isn’t evidence.

[@restorationministries4067]

I think that one of Lennox's ability to debate so well comes from his Mathematics background and the strong problem solving and negotiating skills that come from it. Always a great guy to listen to. Thanks for sharing.

[@TonyEnglandUK]

There's far too much naive confirmation bias in what Lennox says. At 3:35 he says, unequivocally _"God, who is the god of this universe and created it."_ One should either preface such claims with _"In my opinion"_ or conclude such claims with _"and here is the evidence to prove my claim is true."_

[@GrGal]

@@TonyEnglandUK- No, he didn’t claimed that as a fact, he brought it up as a basic assumption which from there he derives logical pattern for the existence of a creator of the universe. When you want to show a logical pattern of anything, you 1st define the axioms/basic assumptions from which you move forward, and those does not have to be based on facts but on anything possible and irrefutable at the point of discussion. In other words, Lennox motive here is to show the logics behind the idea of an ultimate creator of all that exists, not to prove it.

[@TonyEnglandUK]

@@GrGal Oh stop. It's a direct, unequivocal assertion. And the rest of your post was simply a desperate attempt to sound more intelligent than you actually are. Learn a lesson here, GrGal. Intelligence demonstrates itself. If you have to try and prove your intelligence, you're not intelligent enough to understand why you don't need to.

[@GrGal]

@@TonyEnglandUK - You are too tunnel-visioned into empirical-only view, the world is far larger than that and you can begin with the mathematics field to understand the place of logical patterns in anything our mind can perceive, including empirical science itself actually, outside of the die-hard “new atheism” fans.

[@TonyEnglandUK]

@@GrGal So you finally entered a username here, lol 🤣

[@julianmarsh8384]

First, Dawkins was not 'left speechless'...it is called listening to what the other guy has to say...what Dawkins is not used to, at least at the time of this debate, is being personally attacked as opposed to simply a civilized discourse on the subject at hand...Second, faith IS what the religious fall back on when logic fails, and they are proud of it. Lennox is the best Christians can come up with? I guess he is good at convincing other Christians they are right....

[@L.Ron_Dow]

Oh but Dawkins WAS left speechless - everytime the moderator shut him down. The pattern in the full video *"Richard Dawkins vs John Lennox | The God Delusion Debate"* was that the moderator read a passage from Dawkins's book for him to clarify/amplify, Dawkins did so then Lennox was allowed to pour forth his scorn before the cycle repeated - no time given for Dawkins to respond to Lennox. He became increasingly frustrated by this sequence and did at time forego his amplification to refute Lennox. The whole event was as unsatisfactory and dishonest as this video.

[@thedubwhisperer2157]

"I guess he is good at convincing other Christians they are right...". Demonstrably a trifling and simple task given their child-like and embarrassingly low standards for 'proof'...

[@ortodox9532]

So you think that at first, there was nothing then "boom" and there was something? I think that atheists think of themselves like scientists, when all they are is ignorant and arrogant.

[@twine682]

I would be "speechless" also after hearing such superstitious/mythical nonsense from such an educated man. Imagine how thorough his indoctrination must have been ?

[@gordon3186]

*I can't say for a fact that leprechauns don't exist anywhere in the Universe, I just haven't been presented with any convincing evidence that they do. When I am, I'll consider the possibility. Until then, I put them in the same category I do gods.*

[@pennylynch913]

Lets pray for Richard!

[@cspace1234nz]

Is he asking or are you just being arrogant ?

[@drockopotamus1]

@@cspace1234nz On his deathbed he will be, just like all the others.

[@cspace1234nz]

@@drockopotamus1 ....I've worked with the dying for the last 30 odd years and I can tell you that is so far from the truth it's not funny. Best keep your arrogance to yourself

[@RubixCubix_]

He still has not provided any evidence for god

[@dinkyman8591]

Open your eyes and look around you.

[@Programm4r]

Life cannot come from non-life by natural conditions. Even Dawkins knows that.

[@RubixCubix_]

@@dinkyman8591 I did, and all I can see is evil and suffering. I mean, what is the point of a mammoth for example freezing and dying a painful death, what is the point of trees, rocks falling on animals, making the animal suffer such painful deaths. God is all good, right?

[@ShanerMcGrainer]

John Lennox is an intellectual genius when it comes to defending God. The best part is he's a wildly accomplished mathematician from the base. Hard to refute any of that ladies and gentlemen 😊

[@philsmith5705]

God is a con. Zero proof. Read the Bible, all of it. If after doing that you do not think God was created by people your brain is delusional.

[@petergaskin1811]

Being a good, competent mathematician is all well and good if you want a mathematical problem solved. I do not see how that qualifies him to talk about anything but mathematics. Hard to refute that either. Eh? 🤦‍♂

[@thehumblepotatoreborn9313]

@@petergaskin1811 Because a lot of people assume if you're a fundamentalist christian you must lacking intelligence. But John's a mathematician - so they can't rely on that excuse here

[@JustinHall1468]

No he isn't. He uses circular logic and a very strong grasp of the English language to do what most religious arguments do which is to claim they believe in the "one true religion", and all of the anti-religious arguments don't matter because those arguments are only valid against man-made religions. The problem here is that we have a mountain of evidence for every religion having been man-made and absolutely zero evidence that any religion is the "true" religion. So the entire premise of Johns argument is nonsense and the entire premise of this video is a lie. He answers the question, but anyone that's spent five seconds watching Dawkins knows his public speaker tends to be slow and thoughtful, so making hard cuts before his answers is easy. It's boring theist propaganda.

[@c2s2942]

@@JustinHall1468your entire statement can literally be flipped to say the opposite. Atheism isn’t as intellectually promising as atheists think it is.

[@mikef.1000]

I like the way you wrap things up at the end.... really helped me see what had gone on in the foregoing debate.

[@L.Ron_Dow]

ROFL

[@djo-dji6018]

I remember Dawkins stating he likes the multiverse theory because it's very elegant. And he said that right after criticising faith in God because (according to him) it's based on feelings and subjective needs. Oh, the irony - btw, I think that was during the debate with William Craig Lane.

[@stevecavanagh8033]

Wait, he finally DID debate WLC?? (Heads off to find it)

[@Paradoxonification]

Even multiverse theory has a stronger foundation than religion thanks to quantum mechanics

[@lawratify]

Who created the Sun god, the Rain god, the bibilical god ? If Science has not explained something yet, it is very easy. Create a god and problem sloved. After all people did worship the "rain god" one time didn't they? Has Lenox explained why his god created all the mosquitoes, poisonous spiders, deadly snakes, viruses, and other creepy crawlies which kill millions of CHILDREN and other people each year.

[@ThatisnotHair]

​@@lawratifyDude let these people continue in their cherrypicked assumptions? It helps religious people survive

[@N8ive49er]

@@lawratify insects, poisonous animals and what have you weren't created for the purpose of hurting us. Our role in creation was to be stewards of this planet, which is why we were given dominion over it at one point in time and all we've done as a race is slowly demolish it. Viruses and sickness manifested as a result of our unwillingness to live in harmony with nature. We have been greedy and parasitic to the natural world and as a result we are no longer in harmony with it. It's also why we are on course to essentially destroy ourselves by making the planet inhabitable, yet you and others like you will just blame 'God' for not cleaning up the mess that we created when we decided that we knew how to better care for this world than the one who created it lmao

[@heersrivastava2635]

John Lennox refuses to LISTEN. Its his way or no way. Can't stand him.

[@tekay44]

why would he listen to BS.

[@stephendudas4167]

Shame we never heard Dawkins answer back !. A little one way I suspect.

[@TurinTuramber]

This channel strangely seems to think if they attack Dawkins they will demonstrate God of the Bible's existence.

[@Schimml0rd]

"i dont think that miracles are violations of the law of nature" Okkkkk brody

[@L.Ron_Dow]

But he says it with so much conviction many believers just wouldn't question it.

[@thomasrneville]

I mentioned this before, but if you select and don't watch it all, then you don't see that Dawkins utterly crushed him.

[@eyelessclowned]

Bark silently

[@hussar6347]

LENNOX CAN'T BE 'CRUSHED'. Nor should any voice searching for truth...

[@stevenweint7893]

@@hussar6347 But Johnny was crushed!! Crushed good! Crushed real good! 😃

[@raulhernannavarro1903]

​@@hussar6347Lennox of all the apologists on KZbin is one of the worst prepared. Dawkins is more like a father scolding his son for arguing without studying. Lennox doesn't want the truth, he wants his belief to be true. Small difference.

[@justnchrist]

Wrong Lennox is well educated and uses philosophical theism from the heart not mind we all are sinful by nature and our mind is a terrible thing not a mind is a terrible thing to waist remember things in the unseen are temporary things in the unseen are eternal ❤

[@Gandalf_the_green]

Are you serious? Oh I feel sorry for your dishonesty

[@redrock549]

What a load of BS by Lennox. No substance just his feelings bursting out for the love of his skydaddy

[@davidtuer5825]

I don't need a thirty party to explain to me what I have just heard.

[@tinfacesful]

Dawkins gets away with it because of the sound of intellect in his voice, but below that he's as hollow as a bell

[@plankark]

I detest the way he sounds - more like a pretentious, pompous lover of himself than a intellectual. So needy for the praises of men.

[@christian_lofi]

Yes 😂 The English accent only goes so far

[@TrevoltIV]

He is literally so desperate for evil illusion to be true that he resorted to the theory that aliens came to earth and "seeded" life. Of course the aliens origin still remains unknown lol

[@voiceofreason162]

He was educated at Oxford University, and the accent is real. He did study zoology, but vered into philosophy a long time ago. He's an immensely clever man but plugged into some heavily polluted knowledge feeds that make him ineffectual. His success is down to feeding the beast that suits, which is atheism, materialism and naturalism. Those constraints limit what he will accept, no matter how thorough the evidence to the contrary. And he is in good company. The narrative that holds the public confidence invariably gets to shut the door in the face of allcomers. That's how popular philosophy works. I still remember the day my entire office went out and bought The God Delusion. And in 17 years, I never saw one of them read a Bible, do any independent research of any kind, and bought into his conclusions hook, line, and sinker. That's popular preference on demand. And with that level of uptake, no wonder Mr Dawkins always has a busy schedule.

[@JohnSmith-cf4gn]

And Dawkins knows it now.

[@mogx2586]

Fascinating. Thank you for introducing me to this man. I am new to the faith and listening to voices such as his helps me understand where I went wrong for so much of my life. The multiverse comment was very interesting. So he accuses Christianity of fiction and then relies on science fiction? Multiverse? I always thought considering the respect ppl have for him -his arguments (Dawkins) were better than this. People don't want to hear what he has to say I guess but it just shows you should listen to them. Forgive me, but I do think people give a pass to these professors with marbles in their mouths that use big words to seem knowledgeable when they are not. They cannot understand this wisdom until they accept the saving grace of God and repent of their sins..hubris is at the top of this. Great video. Subbed. ❤

[@alborrero9544]

Welcome to the faith. May Christ be glorified in you.

[@elliot1784]

Jinx!

[@Maranatha-rk7lh]

John Lennox is indeed brilliant and can explain so well that the Christian worldview is evidence based. I am really looking forward to meet Prof Lennox one day, either in this life or in eternity.

[@ritathomson9764]

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[@acex222]

If he believes in fiction, does it externally justify your fiction? No. You are simply both wrong.

[@Uouttooo]

You cut out all Dawkins' part? That is not speechless!