John Lennox: How Math and Science Point to God | Kirk Cameron on TBN

[@Candide1776]

My calculus professor, a retired Navy Captain and engineer, back when I was a young Airman taking night classes, once said to us, "If you want to study man, study law, politics, or even religion. If you want to study God, study math and science." He had a great point.

[@mcmanustony]

No he didn't.

[@ianardeant]

Numero pondere et mensura Deus omnia condidit. God created everything by number, weight and measure. - Sir Isaac Newton On more than one occasion, Newton wrote these Latin words as his autograph, with his signature. In Gilles Personne de Roberval's Aristarchi Samii de Mundi Systemate (1644), he frequently uses the abbreviation “P.N.E.M.” standing for “Pondere, mensura et mensura.” It was adopted as the motto of the Smeatonian Society of Engineers as “Omnia in Numero Pondere et Mensura.”

[@mcmanustony]

@@ianardeant so what?

[@Bullcutter]

Don't reply to desperate atheists trying haplessly to deny the Creator! They're under condemnation and destined for Fire!

[@mcmanustony]

@@Bullcutter grow up. Why would I be desperate? Why would anyone not convinced to share your weird beliefs be “desperate”?

[@kobi219]

This man John Lennox has just helped me regain my Faith in Christianity, I felt lost and defeated because most of my colleagues around me who were in Science would often mock me for being “The Christian Physicist” however, seeing this made me realise how right I’ve been about God the whole time and how wrong the people who berated me truly are.

[@BlacksmithTWD]

Science isn't about god(s), it purposely restricts itself to the truths about the material world, which is an important part but far from the entirety of human experiences. Science can merely inform a human being about what is the case, never about whether or not a human being should do something about it nor what a human being should do about it if so. This self imposed restriction doesn't go for religions as religions are mainly about what we ought to do.

[@kobi219]

@@BlacksmithTWD I understand what you're trying to say however God is not necessarily separate from science but more coexists with it, however lately science has been used as a weapon that it was never intended to be.

[@debzest4life37]

The flat earthers who bully, have power of employment or passing uni or school for that matter and mobbing Christians who have spent so many years of study, have poor thinking skills, prejudices or do not define issues, the education level of the general population and science graduates from uni regarding evolution and its facts limitations assumptions is quite appalling, then you combine it with the dreadfully poor standards of our churches makes it a hard slog .... so glad you found John Lennox and his exposition of the bible as I did....

[@BlacksmithTWD]

@@kobi219 Science does not make God obsolete, it merely chose to restrict itself to address only those things that don't require a concept of God to explain them. Science and theology are merely different branches of philosophy based on different axioms. If you want to know what is materialistically the case, then science is the best model. If you want to know what to do about it, then you need a religion as science can merely infrom you about what is, not about what you ought to do about it. Science itself when proporly done is to be admired, as Thomas Aquinas argued over 800 years ago, both nature and scripture have God as their divine author so neither can be at fault. Science studies nature and thus when proporly done it can't be at fault either. Hence when a fallible human being perceives a discrepancy between science and scripture it's not that science or scripture is at fault but instead that fallible human being didn't proporly understand one or the other or possibly didn't understand either. Scientism on the other hand is an ideology and one of the greatests threats to science. It's the difference between someone wanting to learn the truth and doing scientific observations, experiments and reasoning for themselves and someone who refers to what some scientist may have said to be taken as authority. It's this ideology that is being used as a weapon, actual science by itself doesn't even provide a motivation to share ones findings. Both science and religion often get hijacked for personal political gains, in both cases the result is similar: corruption. Personally I don't see God as coexisting, I rather see God as existing itself. I can see a front wheel of a bicycle coexisting with the rear wheel or the saddle of that bicycle, but I can't see the frond wheel of a bicycle coexisting with that bicycle since the front wheel is already part of that bicycle. In order to coexist it must be separate from not part of, but perhaps you have been using the verb 'to coexist' differently. What do you get when you combine science with politics: politics What do you get when you combine religion with politics: also politics.

[@christopherp.hitchens3902]

I don’t believe your story, friend. Most in the field of science wouldn’t care…unless you were obnoxious and worthy of “Berating”.

[@jonathanstaley3883]

I just Love De Lennox’s way of describing the science and mathematics with their relation to God and the Creation. It’s just wonderful. God bless this amazing man!🙏

[@mcmanustony]

I didn't hear any mathematics.....I never do from Lennox......

[@SeekingHisWill77]

@@mcmanustony no, he does not delve into formulae and so on all discussion, but if you really want to hear him speak of mathematics, just search for it and you'll find it.

[@mcmanustony]

@@SeekingHisWill77 where?

[@Ozmulki]

I was and still am hopeless in maths. I thank my mother for her grounding me in the Bible. 😊. Then I thank the Holy Spirit for coming into my life.

[@hamiltonconway6966]

Amen! When I studied Physics in college I was shocked at the natural order of things. That convinced me of the Almighty.

[@canadiankewldude]

*_God Bless_*

[@douglasstrother6584]

Classical Electromagnetism is my favorite in that regard. It continues to present us with sophisticated fundamental questions in addition to its obvious practical applications. Also, Michael Faraday & James Clerk Maxwell were both devout Christians.

[@ryana1787]

Why does “order” mean there is an “almighty”?

[@yasminet6355]

​@@ryana1787What would the odds of the perfect positioning of the earth, sun and moon be to allow life by chance.

[@ryana1787]

@@yasminet6355 Very good! Scientists have already identified many many planets across our galaxy that are in the sweet spot for water and life as we know it.

[@miroslaw7]

John Lennox is a brillant man. I love how he explains things. Admire his faithfulness to the Lord and how he explains the connection between God and Science. 🙏

[@Jaryism]

He didn’t really explain shit though…

[@BeefT-Sq]

@@Jaryism "Indoctrination of children by parents and care givers, school teachers etc. during the formative years of cognition subvert the natural inclination toward reason and understanding from experience i.e. reality, and replace it with a predisposition for evasion, mysticism, and emotionalism as adolescents and adults.. from which only a few escape ." -Anon-

[@AtamMardes]

If made-up superstitious religious nonsense can fool the educated Dr. John Lennox, imagine what it could do to not-so-educated ordinary folks.

[@kurtwinslow2670]

@@Jaryism Maybe you didn't listen if you think he didn't explain shit. LOL here's one. Human DNA contains the longest word humanity has ever discovered.

[@mcmanustony]

@@kurtwinslow2670 Human DNA like all DNA is a molecule not a word. It is orders of magnitude shorter that that of an onion. It is mostly junk. Lennox is a retired mathematician. He is an expert on the theory of infinite soluble groups. Outside of that he's a dishonest arrogant fool.

[@jeanettewenger4071]

This is one of the reasons why I love homeschooling. You can ask & research the hard topics using Science, Mathematics, the Bible and very educated people in these fields to uncover Truth! The deeper I dig, the more awestruck & in love I become with the Creator. 🙌💞

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

You have convinced me you haven't a clue as to what constitutes as science.

[@BlacksmithTWD]

@@Theo_Skeptomai You seem to be convinced a bit too easy for someone who understands and applies the scientific method to get to ones conclusions. (

[@gayathrisonnoe911]

Absolutely love Homeschooling for the same reason. Certainly in awe of the creator!

[@DrMontague]

I once had a wet fart in public, I stopped believing in a supernatural intelligent creator!

[@leehawkins5795]

Discovered John Lennox this evening watching Daily Dose of Wisdom where he destroyed atheism in 15 minutes........he is the most intelligent and interesting person I have ever heard........I will be listening to more of his videos

[@Fetsimo]

Excellent, Dr. Lennox helps Christians and atheists see that there is no discrepancy between science and the Bible 🙏❤️

[@DrMontague]

Where did adam and eve shit?

[@homehelpservices6652]

Thank you for interviewing one of my favorite Christian scientists! Praise Father God Almighty for John Lenox! Shalom from Ecuador 🇪🇨

[@canadiankewldude]

*_God Bless_*

[@SpeedBank]

Dr. Lennox is such a blessing to believers. May God bless his words to penetrate the hearts of unbelievers.

[@SDANMTCA2005]

Just speechless in listening to this Godly man! Praise The Lord for such Genius Servants of God

[@boscomoons7742]

Thanks for bringing this man on your channel to share his knowledge about God. A few people can do this. God bless both of you 🙏🙏

[@georgevalco215]

I just discovered this guy randomly on KZbin. I love him!!

[@normanshadow1]

Same!

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

What do you love about him? Is it the irrationality or the lack of critical thinking skills?

[@deebrightassociates]

@@nonprogrediestregredi1711Can you point out anywhere in the video where anything he stated was irrational? Or perhaps can you point out a place in the video where you believe he was not critically thinking?

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

@deebrightassociates Yes I can; all within the first twenty seconds of the video. He states that atheism gives him no explanation of why mathematics works. If he were using critical thinking skills to be rational, he would understand that atheism does not have anything to do with why mathematics works. Atheism only addresses one proposition; whether or not one is convinced in the existence of a god or gods. Whether or not mathematics works is irrelevant to being convinced of said proposition; an unfalsifiable proposition, that is. Also, it is irrelevant that Newton, Faraday, Kepler, etc were theists as that is an argument from authority.

[@deebrightassociates]

@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 I appreciate your perspective on this matter, but I believe there are a few points that need further examination. While it is true that atheism, in its most basic definition, deals with the lack of belief in gods or deities, it is important to acknowledge that worldviews often encompass more than just a single proposition. Atheism, in practice, often involves a naturalistic worldview, which seeks to explain the world and its phenomena without reference to the supernatural. In the video when he mentions that atheism provides no explanation for why mathematics works, he is likely referring to the broader philosophical implications of atheism, particularly within a naturalistic worldview. Without invoking a higher intelligence or a transcendent foundation for the universe, some atheists find it challenging to account for the existence of abstract entities such as mathematical principles and the laws that govern them. Now, it is true that the he might have misattributed the problem solely to atheism. It would be more accurate to say that naturalism, a philosophical position often associated with atheism, struggles to provide a satisfactory explanation for the existence and efficacy of mathematics. This point is not intended to prove or disprove the existence of God, but rather to highlight a perceived limitation within certain atheistic worldviews. Regarding your mention of Newton, Faraday, Kepler, and other theistic scientists, it is true that appealing to authority alone does not prove a position. However, their beliefs are relevant in this context because they serve as examples of highly influential and accomplished scientists who found harmony between their faith and their scientific pursuits. Their belief in a rational Creator provided them with a framework to understand and explore the order and precision of the natural world through mathematics.

[@raywasser6820]

There are several books that do a nice job discussing this. One is "The Language of God" by Francis Collins. Learning the reality of science and creation has buttressed my faith like nothing else.

[@RelentlessHomesteading]

John Lennox is one of my favorite speakers. He is able to put the discussion in such simple terms, while putting his finger right on the issues. Thankyou

[@mcmanustony]

Which of his lies is your favourite?

[@RelentlessHomesteading]

@@mcmanustony Psalms 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." So go ahead and hold on to your foolishness -- I came from atheism to the Bible from scientific evidence. Now I have LOTs more evidence as I've seen God doing miracles, speaking to me, and working in my life. I am sad for those missing out, but it also took me many years to come to the truth. Regards, RH

[@mcmanustony]

@@RelentlessHomesteading why can’t you answer my question without the witless preaching? Do you like his sneering lies about Miller, Urey and origin of life research? Do you prefer his pathetic lies about evolution being a theory in crisis?

[@mcmanustony]

@@RelentlessHomesteading surely the fool would be the foul mannered ignoramus regurgitating Bronze Age bigotry….

[@RelentlessHomesteading]

@@mcmanustony Miller Urey was disproven just a few years after the experiment - the experts all know it; but the still put it in textbooks because of their agenda. Evolutionary theory in terms of macro evolution has been eviscerated in the last 20 years. It actually not in crisis but is dead. It provides no mechanisms, wholly fails to account for information, or that the changes cannot be piecemeal applied. And even the fossil record is showing new species show up in perfecr form then devolving. Its a hot mess.

[@a.j.beltran4795]

I love mathematics and pretty good at it and I'm a believer too.

[@bruha321]

2 + 2 = 5 when you throw god into the equation. Nothing makes sense then.

[@BeefT-Sq]

"Personally, I look forward to the day that religion is merely a matter of historical reference. " -Anon-

[@kurtwinslow2670]

@@bruha321 2+2=5 makes about as much sense as 0+0 equaling a universe. Yet we're here, someone is wrong. Here's one for you. I can prove from a scientific prospective that life only comes from life i.e. that's the observable phenomena. Based upon this fact as we currently know it through observation. What is the most rational belief for the creation of reality as we know it? Nothing + nothing = reality or life + life = reality for life not rocks perceive existence.

[@raulhernannavarro1903]

​@@kurtwinslow2670 Bro, we are literally already standing on 70 years of growth in a field of science called prebiotic chemistry. Appealing to an unknown creator just because you don't know something is complete intellectual bankruptcy. The absence of knowledge is not evidence of a creator, it is only evidence of lack of knowledge.

[@kurtwinslow2670]

@@raulhernannavarro1903 Bro, life is much more complicated than simple sequestration of amino acids in the proper order. Seventy years as you say and what do you have? Seventy years of intelligence poured into a process and still no results. Either the intelligence is lacking or the task is daunting. One of the issues facing current scientists is that there's so much information and many are concerned and consumed with their little corner of knowledge. A broader application of the current knowledge of known molecular biology is needed and rarely considered by many in their quest for knowledge and truth. For instance, the next time you consider the mixing and creating amino acids to form the building blocks of life. intertwine amino acid formation with the formation of biological machinery. Biological machinery is what the amino acids are formed into. I doubt you'll look at this video because you already have your mind made up. This isn't a religious video it's Ted Talk and it's a 9 min presentation\ animation of the molecular machinery needed in order to unravel DNA for new cell division and growth. 70 or 70 trillion years, it's highly improbable that random processes could achieve this one necessary step of life i.e. the unwrapping of DNA. The video link is below, just copy and paste. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXemp56hebiZf7c&ab_channel=TED

[@sherrilltechnology]

What a brilliant man, blessed by God what an amazing interview!!

[@andrewfrank7222]

Which god?

[@ash210ify]

​@@andrewfrank7222 the one that gave you the probability of 1:400trillion chance to live. Hitting the lottery was easier than that haha

[@andrewfrank7222]

@@ash210ify Wasn't 1 in 400 Trillion chance... My parents live in neighboring cities and had sex.

[@ash210ify]

@@andrewfrank7222 that sex produced you.. 1:400trill chance yet again lol

[@kilgen28]

Dr. Lennox expresses classical apologetics, evidential apologetics and presuppositional apologetics. It would be better, I believe, for Christians to stop arguing about one of these as opposed to the others. We have and can properly use and testify to all beginning points of apologetics. I am glad to see Kirk giving thanks for all forms of apologetics. May Jesus Christ be praised!

[@dennisdose5697]

I understand what John is saying about mathematics and worship. As an engineer/ designer, a brilliant, innovative bit of design work can move me in away that a beautiful sunset many others. It's a nerd thing. But the Great Designer definitely made us nerds also. He gets us. 😎

[@WadeWeigle]

How blessed was he to have heard C.S.Lewis speak!? He’s a good man that has excellent examples of intelligent design by God.

[@johnelliott5859]

Just god of the gaps explanations.

[@cartertran270]

@@johnelliott5859there is no Gap in DNA. It can only come from Intelligence deny it all you want but life has a Creator and it wasn’t Aliens.

[@DrMontague]

I have read C S LEWIS he comes out with verbal diarrhea.intelligent design by god? Have you ever had a wet fart in public? What's intelligent about making us to be able to have a wet fart in public?!

[@genegroover3721]

Blessed to have heard a mere man speak? C.S.Lewis was gifted, but only a man. How much greater a gift have we all been given? We have the very words of God. Yet how many people fail to spend even 10 minutes/day truly studying and learning what the God of the Universe has to say to them? They read the Bible through in a year, but how much can they recall three days after reading a passage? How many verses have they 'implanted' in their life so they are an approved workman? How many people have they shared the Gospel of Christ with which we have all been commanded to share? How many people have they discipled after leading them to the Lord of the universe? It's nice to listen to Dr. Lennox, but our preparation for the life in Christ begins with the Word and the Words of Christ.

[@johnelliott5859]

@@genegroover3721 careful study of the bible will lead one to question one's belief in the christian god.

[@ron.v]

I lost faith in God and became (I thought) an atheist while still a teen. It was science that led me to this decision simply because I did not understand faith. One who understands faith can see God's logic in science and math. When John Lennox mentions the human genome, he nails it! Faith comes only to those who allow it and don't fight it. Facts like how unlikely the human genome simply "happened" by chance can lead us to explore faith. As a young adult, I realized that faith comes to those who explore it. Once we comprehend faith, God becomes obvious.

[@davidwhunt]

Really enjoyed this. Sharing it with my Bible Study group.

[@BeefT-Sq]

"Formally, I call it Objectivism, but informally I call it a philosophy for living on earth. You will find an explicit presentation of it in my books, particularly in Atlas Shrugged." -Ayn Rand-

[@BeefT-Sq]

" Imagine the Gideon Bible being replaced by Atlas Shrugged on the hotel nightstand as a source of spiritual inspiration for the weary traveler." -Anon-

[@BeefT-Sq]

"Atlas Shrugged came significantly later in my exposure to Objectivist literature. It is only as of late that I am gaining an appreciation for some of the more subtle intricacies of Miss Rand's nuances." -Anonymous-

[@atobaidoo8948]

I am an engineer. And I am also a Pastor. The more I study science and the bible, I realise they confirm each other. The bible explains science even better than most mad Scientists do.

[@aerogorn8668]

Ohhh yess, you know those Kabbalists that wrote the Bible such as the KJV? Yeah, Quantum physics is based on the Kabbalah. Fractal Flower of Life right?

[@laststand6420]

Same here, I am an engineer and a Preacher. It's amazing to me that anyone can look at the design of this world and think it happened by accident.

[@johnelliott5859]

Maybe if you cherry pick a few small places. There are numerous science errors in the bible.

[@laststand6420]

@@johnelliott5859 Where?

[@matswessling6600]

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[@lindadrost6597]

Thank you for having this great discussion gentlemen!! I love John Lenox's explanation of science , math, the creation is word based; "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God..", "...and God said"

[@mcmanustony]

That explains nothing ….it’s just pompous assertions delivered without evidence

[@canadiankewldude]

*_God Bless_*

[@jhonatanamortegui5852]

I love this! Thank you so much.

[@crystalgilliam3006]

I have always struggled with math. Even to the point that as an adult I would freeze up when numbers were needing to be used. But then I went back to college (Christian college) at 40. I found out about the golden ratio and how amazing numbers and God are. It was from this my love of math developed. I can now fully understand number sequencing and formulas once my perspective was in alignment with Gods word.

[@mcmanustony]

This is utter nonsense

[@crystalgilliam3006]

@@mcmanustony why would that be nonsense? I struggled to understand math until it was connected to something I love. It made it concrete for me. This is basic knowledge of working with children. If they struggle with a subject you connect it with something they enjoy.

[@mcmanustony]

@@crystalgilliam3006 You can no more demonstrate the "word of god" than you can raise the dead. You struggled with mathematics then you you found something that clicked. Well done. I had a similar experience. failed until age 14 when I realised the cosine rule was a generalisation of Pythagoras's Theorem, I found it beautiful and went on to study mathematics to the research level. No word of god, Shiva, Allah, Mithras, Ganesh, Wotan etc. was involved. There is not word of god you can point to....

[@danielvarney5372]

what a wonderful mind he is, Sir John Lennox.

[@mcmanustony]

He doesn’t have a knighthood. The one subject where he has any expertise is algebra. I’ve never heard him utter a syllable about it, have you?

[@Bianca0414]

Before the universe there was God! Nothing has ever existed before God .

[@SteveV1960]

What are the mathematical odds that God existed before the universe and has no beginning and no end?

[@Bianca0414]

@@SteveV1960 There is no beginning and there is no end . God was here before time,and God will be here after time. The concept of time is irrelevant. Time doesn't exist in heaven. Scientists cannot grasp the concept of our Holy Creator .

[@maggiebarsoum7806]

PTL for amazing creation of both of you just the excellence of The Nature of God wrapped in your explanation, the power of the Word, the simplicity of knowing that everything was made by Him Hallelujah and through Him, that i😮s the Nature oh God

[@sattaurnikki]

Amen, awesome. Intelligently explained. Bless you. 🙏😊

[@Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alot]

Very well said. Especially the part about worship. I guess I agree. May God bless you brother if you're reading this.

[@VictoriaBlair-ce1qm]

Oh absolutely gold hearing Johns explanations.. I’ve just come across him - nearly said ‘by accident’ then realised def not by accident but purposefully thru the Holy Spirit directing me today. Kirk I’ve liked & subscribe because I can’t wait to watch more wonderful videos about our Awesome creator God 🙏🏼❤️

[@optimumpcyt]

A wise man here. The knowledge of God is the beginning of wisdom

[@Jesus_is_Lord_316]

Glory to God!! Psalm 119:89 - For ever, O Lord, thy *word* is settled in heaven. John 1:14 - And the *Word* was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

[@chrisjulien7698]

Christ bless you, thank you i believe i needed this

[@alfredovich2.480]

Amazing , just amazing! GOD BLESS THIS MINISTRY and these gentlemen

[@kee7678]

I've taken 6 classes of Prof Lennox's. One of the most influential and instrumental men in my life.

[@MrChiangching]

What a waste

[@kee7678]

@@MrChiangching Yes, every life, that rejects the blood of Jesus ..is an ETERNAL life wasted indeed.

[@MrChiangching]

@@kee7678 I don't believe in blood magic and their associated cults. Neither do I believe in child sacrifice.

[@kee7678]

@@MrChiangching "There are none so blind, than those who refuse to see". Ignore the evidence if you choose. I pray you wake up and realize you soon, you have a savior who paid your price so that you don't keep on your path to hell. I used to think just like you. Be warned, ....you're a sinner, and can be saved. Good luck.

[@MrChiangching]

@@kee7678 There's no such thing as luck. Get help,these delusions can be cured.

[@bc5612]

John is brilliant. All cultures are directed to and strive for the unconditioned good, true and beautiful.

[@OBXDewey]

I'm Christian because of the power and testimony of the Holy Ghost. ❤

[@spadecat]

The worship of God is the highest, most rewarding intellectual endeavor engaged by man. To Him be all the glory.

[@vuho2075]

If only he actually exists.

[@rosalindquinones2791]

Praise God because truely wise men ssek Him

[@bruha321]

They. God is non binary

[@OWDK108OWDKyt]

​@@bruha321no, it would be more accurate to refer to God as 'it' since He is not human

[@willievanstraaten1960]

Lennox at 1:47: “I was a teenager at the time when I discovered that it was quite clear that science didn't give us a full picture.” This is an amusing statement. Christianity and the Bible give no picture of reality only, only fables, myths, and no knowledge or information on the world and the universe.

[@davidevans6618]

Beliefs are like a bus stop somewhere between fact and fiction and many people never leave the bus stop. Purgatory metaphorically.

[@lisaregoart285]

A brilliant author & teacher I have had the privilege of meeting. The laws of science suggest a Law Giver makes a great deal of sense to my mind. Rather than asking is it God or the laws of science behind the origin of the universe, we can see best explanation is both. God ('agency') uses scientific laws ('mechanism') to create an orderly universe out of nothing. John Lennox helped me understand that many years ago. As an artist with a gallery - I often refer to the beauty of the world as 'God's business card.' Nothing can't make everything, nor can nothing create everything & make it as beautifully & complex as the world we live in.

[@joelfields9807]

Dr Lennox is a treasure

[@veronicahughey7402]

Thank our God and our Savior for using men like John Lennox and C.S. Lewis to increase and reassure our faith.

[@vickieclark5931]

It's wonderful to see someone that is a math and science professional believes in God. You never really see that. It always seems like the more educated and intelligent someone is, the less likely they believe in God cause they all believe in physical proof that you can actually see. This guy is awesome.

[@chrisanders713]

Bow Combat in vanilla Skyrim is still the best archery I have played in any game so far.

[@anewkindofgeek]

Thank you for addressing the severity of the teaching of evolution. Most people don't realize how effective this lie has been. The real tragedy is that the creation model is much more credible. As a Bible teacher, I've also had many mothers coming to me and telling me that their children left the faith due to the teachings of evolution. A common remark, "Mom, how can you still believe that stuff?" And for the most part, the church does very little to combat this. I have devoted much time and energy to fighting this lie of the devil. If any anyone is interested, I have an in-depth presentation with an accompanying slide show in which I have argued and pointed out the absurdities of the beliefs of many icons of evolution, i.e. Dawkins and Krauss. I would be more than happy to share this with anyone interested. I can assure you that it's laid out in a format that would be easy for anyone to present. And with the help of a Hebrew scholar, it presents views that incorporate modern day physics in a way that actually verifies the Genesis account.

[@richardgregory3684]

Evolution is an established fact. Religions hates it because it does away with "an invisible sky wizard poofed everything up one day using a magic spell". Genesis is a primitive bronze age myth. Education is pulling peopel away from primitive supersitions? Good!

[@shawnlindley5840]

What a great way to defend the faith!

[@Jaryism]

I kept waiting and waiting for some brilliant explanation like you guys are saying, nothing happened and the interview was over. Lennox just name dropped Enlightenment scientists who believed God was responsible for math, gave zero examples, done. I thought he’d bring up some crazy shit like perfect circles, the infinite, integration of time, and some crazy paradoxes pointing to God… nope, just inserts “math exists, it must be God”. What a damn waste of 10 min

[@miguelchavez8347]

so what do you want to see? a miracle to believe?

[@Jaryism]

@@miguelchavez8347 No... convincing either philosophical argument or empirical argument. I got neither, just a lot generalizations of "said things exist... we can't seem to explain them in the physical world easily, we've been puzzled over this metaphysics for thousands of years.... therefore--> Christian God is true". Again, I'm all for hearing Kalam Cosoligical, Teleological, Congingency arguments, arguments for design/complexity, etc. or even GOOD Van TIlian Presuppositional arguments, but this was absolute bullshit, just a waste of time and question begging by Lennox.

[@Testequip]

@@miguelchavez8347 Yes! That's not much to ask, or is it?

[@laststand6420]

​@@TestequipIt probably wouldn't help you. The Children of Israel saw God perform the ten plagues in Egypt, walked through the Red sea on dry ground, then stood under mount Sinai as God Himself descended on it in fire and smoke then they heard the actual voice of God speak the ten commandments. They fell away less than two months later. Seeing does not give one faith. It's a heart issue.

[@Testequip]

@laststand6420 It seems you quoting from the Bible. The Bible also has talking snakes, talking donkeys, and people climbing out their graves. Concocted phantasmogorical beliefs/stories spread by word of mouth by Bronze Age hunter gatherers and sheep herders and copied and pasted numerous times ad infintium doesn't make something true. It's akin to stating that Harry Potter can walk through walls and the evidence is on page 17 paragraph two in JR Rowlings book; The Philosophers Stone. I'm referring to actual evidence - not something written in a Bronze-Age Encyclopaedia Britannica book. An all powerful deity will know exactly what "miracle" it will take to convince present day mankind. There are no excuses. Period!

[@byron8657]

Energy is constant its neither created nor destroyed it just takes another form! Dr Albert Einstein If we believe that Our mind our soul our spirit is Energy it is immutable cannot be destroyed! K

[@Sfenx_Muenchen]

As a mathematician I can only agree with John Lennox, there are good arguments for God. And among these, one by Leibniz convinces me the most: a version of the argument of 'eternal truths' put forward by Augustine and ultimately going back to Plato. Leibniz argues that spaceless and timeless immaterial truths, such as the laws of logic or mathematical theorems, apply independently of any real world and can therefore only be grounded in the Logos of God. Following Leibniz, there must be something that this non-material reality is based on: that something is God »as the ultimate basis of the being or nature of things that are possible - and of necessary or eternal truths: 'If there were no eternal substance, there could be no eternal truths'. God is seen as the root of what is possible, for his spirit is the realm of ideas or truths.« [ Maria Rosa Antognazza, »Leibniz, a very short introduction«]. It is not without a certain irony that materialist atheists, for whom thought is ultimately mere "reflexes" (as Dennet once explained), claim "truth" and logic (obviously two immaterial categories) for their supposed 'knowledge'. And if they think that using logic and mathematics, they can explain a naturalistic materialism in which neither of them actually exists (or is ultimately just "reflexes"...). 😆😆😆

[@mcmanustony]

As a mathematician, don't you wish he'd shut up about Jesus for five minutes and talk about group theory?

[@Sfenx_Muenchen]

@@mcmanustony No! (I am not so narrow minded ... 😉)

[@mcmanustony]

@@Sfenx_Muenchen what branch of mathematics do you work in ?

[@tombolt6789]

In College, I carried a double Major--Biology and Art. It was Biology that brought me to the conclusion that God Is, has been, and will always be. I believe that those people who do not want to believe is because they do not want to give up the they enjoy the pleasurable habits they have formed. Just my opinionate belief.😁 😁 😁.

[@vuho2075]

So your education pointed you to an invisible deity who created everything?

[@daughteroftheking3220]

Thank God for our brothers and sisters in Christ who are intellectual, solid in their faith/can defend their faith with evidence based whom we all can learn from, and how they use their God-given talent in things like math and science and so many other areas of expertise to bring glory to God! God bless this man of God, cover him even more wherever he goes in his institution, and keep using him for his glory. What a beautiful soul he is. I just pray God rises more people from this generation like him from so many expertise to bring glory to God. We need to stand our ground on our faith with our God-given talent and defend our faith. This is so inspiring to learn from and keep pursuing our faith.

[@robbiecleighmarks3088]

Lennox is awesome.. and of course so are you "Buck" lol God bless yall to the fullest extent

[@htfanai3447]

A word is a song, A song is a word. 🎶

[@williamduplooy]

I would love to sit and learn person to person from Prof LENNOX, especially as we are not far from OXFORD. I see he shares the same passion I do for Order, True Observational Science, Language and the Glory of God in Christ that I do (And as someone whom is Asperger's that is so wonderful to see in other people too).

[@hbabubabu7017]

This guy might have eaten books what a knowledge he got.👍

[@waynestewart1919]

Love this!

[@eddiekorkis]

Don’t forget about music. Music is literally math and science. Anyone who has studied music theory will see this. His fingerprint is on everything. Also, did you know the element carbon “man” has 6 protons 6 electrons and 6 neutrons? 666. The number of a MAN. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

[@Dude_Slick]

Something just dawned on me one day. Those who think Science and God are opposed to one another, should pay attention here. The first thing God brought forth in Genesis was energy in the form of light. He then spoke everything into existence. To speak is to emit sound. Sound = vibration. So now we have vibration being applied to energy. Leading Physicist and Co-founder of String Field Theory Mechio Kaku Describes physical reality as strings of energy vibrating at different frequencies, to form the various densities of matter. He once likened it to "A symphony of vibrating strings, playing the universe".

[@leechrec]

Scientists, Mathematicians are simply observers of His creation.

[@matswessling6600]

if you want it to be... but not really

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

With All that said it's weird that faithfulness and not being a mathematician is the virtuous thing to be as far as religion is concerned

[@MyBreath-p3m]

I love Lord Jesus christ. I love Holy Spirit Fire Faith, yes Faith.

[@jameshoepfner3555]

Wow… just wow. Love it!

[@Brucec-x6r]

Our reality exists in the human mind and nowhere else.god ? Thou art that.

[@asierberu]

Parents need to send time with children answering, great words Profesor John Lennox, God bless you.

[@parahjapheth7920]

Spend*

[@kainzablessing6380]

I'm just blessed to yours oh Lord JESUS CHRIST

[@PhillipLWilcher]

In the beginning there was a vibration, and this vibration had such energy to it, that through it all things were formed and would be found. Much akin to an idea or an opinion that occurs suddenly in the mind without thinking, yet corresponding to some distinct entity essential in feature to what it was, this vibration went by a name. Its name was Thought and Love was its only way of thinking. And such was Love's thinking within Thought, that it had all the strength and vitality that was needed to sustain to the fullest degree, every physical and mental activity required to make things whole, yet not entirely holy save but one much needed thing. Although Thought asked of Love to lend to it its voice, Love at first said nothing but waited, because that is what Love does; it waits. Thought could see that Love was thinking, and it seemed to Thought that perhaps Love knew not quite what to say. And as Time passed by as it invariably does, Thought began to wonder why if Love was everything of meaning, it had no meaning to answer. Looking again to Love as Love thought not to look elsewhere, there was still nothing there, just as there is nothing more serenely still than Love as Peace it lends us, a thought our thinking has yet to truly know. Therefore, and as was Thought’s wont, it began to think again: "If Love answers not then it has no needs, as would Reason have it be that neither does Love ask for anything." As Love remained silent, and more silent even still, Thought looked about the seemingly empty space within which it had found itself vibrating, and where for Love as is Love's promise the premise of Hope (and Hope's premise Love's promise in Life) nothing is ever held not true. At that moment, and for but the briefest period of time beyond Time itself more singular than was any period that went before, Thought became so fully aware of something as fact to understand it clearly and without condition; the most beautiful relationships we can have with each other, they are centred in Love, and with nothing in between that anything is split in two. Once realised, Thought began to accommodate all thinking to this as so should you, and fears no longer entered the mind of man, since it was never part of Love's overall plan.

[@davidmccool2458]

Studying physics and the light came on… impossible without a creator.

[@mcmanustony]

That's an opinion not a fact

[@iblivs21]

​@@mcmanustony so what exactly is the fact?

[@mcmanustony]

@@iblivs21 your question is meaningless

[@iblivs21]

@@mcmanustony if you think that it's an opinion and not a fact; then you must know what the fact is, right?

[@mcmanustony]

@@iblivs21 I know plenty of facts. That’s not what you asked. You asked what “the fact” is. You might as well ask what “the number” is. Your question is meaningless. Have another go.

[@todddegiovanni206]

Wow, math and science leads me to the complete opposite…how illogical religion, all of them are. How you can square the religious fantasy with math and science continues to astound me.

[@foxtanii9056]

So true

[@kms6465]

If you can't explain something it must be God.

[@therick363]

_atheism gives me no explanation of why mathematics works_ Okay so you either don’t understand atheism or you’re misrepresenting it….which is it? Because theism doesn’t explain mathematics either. Mathematics is our human creation to help understand and explain the world around us.

[@Thoughtful9090]

John Lennox makes a positive case for science and mathematics pointing to God. Note his point that the universe *is* explainable and understandable, which can only be if it comes from intelligence.

[@stanley2837]

8:55 atheists come to believe that the universe created itself from nothing. Lennox says he doesn't like atheism because he finds their arguments logically absurd. Christopher Hitchens who was mentioned became incredibly uncomfortable when his fellow atheists asked him to officiate weddings like a priest. Apparently he thought his arguments were to do away with that. And in a way a lot of mathematics is discovered through diffusive thinking, when you aren't working at the problem at all and the solution naturally comes... you can read a lot of computer programmers who solve problems the same way. The credit goes to the person, but really who designed the brain? So whether Lennox misrepresents or doesn't understand it, atheism looks bad in this light.

[@therick363]

@@Thoughtful9090 yes he makes that case. It is also his interpretation of things. To many who do understand mathematics and science(which includes him so yes he’s using he belief system to alter his interpretation) it’s not at all surprising that mathematics and science explain things. They have been created and designed that way. If they didn’t explain things around us we wouldn’t use them.

[@therick363]

@@stanley2837 a _few_ atheists believe that…doesn’t equal all atheists think that at all. I see you kinda like the other person ignored what my post was about. You showed it a bit too. Just because Lennox thinks the argument some atheists use are “logically absurd” doesn’t equal they are that. I hear many theist/apologists areas double standards and hypocritical. _atheism looks bad in this light_ So like Lennox you too don’t seem to understand the basics of atheism.

[@stanley2837]

​@@therick363 Doesn't it seem weird to you that the intellectual tenants of atheism aren't more widespread? Christianity has many forms. Which form of atheism do you subscribe to? Christian Hitchens and Richard Dawkins have done incredible damage to the faith of many Christians by their militant atheism. As someone that finds a lot of value from the Bible, I find that it's a shame that so many people have dropped their faith.

[@vijaykumarthambimuthu5669]

Maths and Science kept me in Sanatana Dharma's way of life. 🙏 Intellectual discourses, discussed in a rational, unbiased and reasonable manner are most welcome, whichever religion one practices.

[@albertfralinger2711]

I’m sorry, but I still can’t understand how Christianity can be logical

[@bengochea64]

No need to be sorry. But keep in mind you're trying to understand an infinite Being with a finite mind. Keep digging 🙏

[@albertfralinger2711]

@@bengochea64 exactly. Isn’t it a little arrogant for humans to think we could possibly understand a god or know what a god wants from us, if anything.

[@steflondon88]

@@albertfralinger2711 there’s logic in it & then there’s the supernatural

[@johnwhoissavedbygrace9975]

@@albertfralinger2711 the entire universe attests to the creator and His majesty. But you’re right, we could not know God on our own. That’s why He gave us His word. The Bible was thousands of years ahead of its time in science, such as washing hands in running water. Quarantine when sick. Thousands of years ahead of the world in astronomy, such as saying the world is hanging upon nothing in space when other parts of the world thought it was flat or on a turtles shell or on a man’s shoulder. Has hundreds of hundreds of prophesies proven to be true. Is historically correct to the point that it mentions civilizations never seen before, and at first was cause for disbelief, until they were found! (Hittites). Luke (new testimant) is one of the times most proficient historian ever. There are 26000+ text and manuscripts proofs to validate the authenticity of the scriptures. There are secular, anti-Christian historical proofs that prove that Jesus was a real man and died on the cross. All of these things point to the truthfulness and accuracy of His word. Can man know or truly understand God? Never. Does He give us His story and instruction manual for life? Yes He did. But will we ever know all their is about Him? Not even at the ‘end’ of an eternity will he know everything. But that is OK with me, it’ll be wonderful learning!

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

@@albertfralinger2711 It's not arrogant to think that at all. God gave humanity the Bible because He created us human beings to know Him and understand what He wants from us. It is arrogant, however, for ppl to think that they can go through life just fine without His direction or guidance.

[@johncipolletti5611]

As a mathematician, I say nothing, but death is 100%! However, the day my advanced calculations point to God will be the day I truly believe. So far, the math and the 8 times a day I pray hasn't done a darn thing to prove it!

[@kerriwilson7732]

Why (how?) does one pray 8x a day to a God you don't believe in? If I imagined I spoke to aliens in outer space 8x a day, but deny their existence... I would not be considered persistent, but instead contradictory or foolish.

[@johncipolletti5611]

@Kerri Wilson Do you know anything of probability? Hardly anything is 100%! So, I hope (for all of us) that there is something out there that may have are backs! Also, who the heck am I to blatantly say that there is or isn't something out there!? Aliens on other worlds probably exist but.... There is almost know way even an advanced race can get to our world over the vast distance. There is a speed of light rule here. Again, nothing is 100%. There may be a 4th Dimensional pathway that could be used by those aliens.

[@FrancisMetal]

Fine Tuning for life is very controversial, it isn't accepted by all scientist

[@Weserman75]

8:08 He actually spoke of the fine-tuning of the UNIVERSE for carbon-based life, which it totally wrong. So far we know of only ONE place in this universe which allows carbon-based life - our earth.

[@andycapp8843]

What a fine collection of words. He did not however explain how mathematics and science proves beyond all reasonable doubt a god exists. Because we have mathematics and science doesn’t in any way suggest a god gave to us all those subjects to enjoy. He quotes…..”God said!” …. Theists have to believe that to be true just because “it is written”, neither mathematics nor science can prove that statement.

[@s.magorzatapagaczusjk9541]

Thank you

[@mars2182]

Hallelujah ✝️🙏🏻🙌🏻

[@RobertAtkenson]

Initially I had a hard time Understanding why John Lennox called Mathematics one of the languages of God and how it helped Reinforce his Faith in God. It partially helped me understand what he was saying after I looked up the word 'semiotic'. I work with people speaking foreign languages. Even without understanding their language, by their gestures or facial expression etc I was able to Partially understand them. By learning their language however, I Was able to understand them better and appreciate their profoundness of thought ...and in many cases their Intrinsic brilliance. .. Similarly understanding mathematics helps man understand more about God's creation , it's consistency and organization......for example planetary motion.. by better understanding the universe we get a glimpse of how great God is. Language involves words. God , outside space and time, spoke 'words' and the universe came to exist. It is in this sense that mathematics is a language..., a useful tool to better understand the language of God. Similarly learning about DNA.... DNA, in a sense, the Common thread of all life, helps us understand more about the indescribable brilliance of God. as well as the sounds he made at the time of creation of the universe. . This understanding gives us a glimpse into his greatness and his consistency. God gave us the ability to understand math and science and therefore a glimpse Of who he is and how great he is. When he made the greatest of all sounds at the instant of creation of the universe, even though we have no idea what it sounded like, in effect It put gravity, mass, energy and life into existence. Because of science, and biblical revelation, we have a superficial but deeper understanding of what these 'words' meant.. In other words a deep understanding of the beauty of the glorius sound that God made at the instant of creation. We see God's signature in everything that surrounds us.. After seeing a few Frank Lloyd Wright houses, I was instantly able to recognize his style. It is very consistent. In a far deeper and broader sense, All that God touches is Recognizable and profoundly consistent. His consistency Includes the ability he gave us to recognize and better appreciate his work. This consistency extends to biblical revelation and all that exists. In this sense Jesus Christ, the creator, is the Source and therefore the substance, the most fundamental part of all that exists.As Bob Dylan said, ''' I could never learn to drink that blood and call it wine'' .Forgive me for rambling but I thought this might be helpful for someone else. This level of understanding, albeit pedantic and primitive, helped fortify my faith.

[@mcmanustony]

"Initially I had a hard time Understanding why John Lennox called Mathematics one of the languages of God "- it's actually quite straightforward. It's because he's a pompous jerk and full of shit.

[@douglasstrother6584]

Classical Electromagnetism is my favorite in this regard. It continues to present us with sophisticated fundamental questions in addition to its obvious practical applications. Also, Michael Faraday & James Clerk Maxwell were both devout Christians.

[@mcmanustony]

Nobel Prize winning physicist Abdus Salam was a devout Muslim So what?

[@OldManMontgomery]

I did grow up in a Christian home. I was a believer in God before I was nine years old. But the matter was solidified and confirmed (if that is the right term) by 'the laws of nature' working so well in harmony. The Bible records the writings of - all those people (I don't have time to record them all) - and in Genesis it says "...God created the Heavens and the Earth." In John1:3 it tells ".. apart from Him, not one thing was created that has been created." Therefore, God created all the 'laws of nature'. It works too well not to have been planned.

[@johnmartin5671]

Godel utilize Modal 5 logic in is famous Proof.: A translation of Gödel's proof sketch (in the version of Gödel's student Dana Scott) from formal logic into natural language: • Axiom 1: Either a property or its negation is positive. • Axiom 2: A property that is necessarily implied by a positive property is positive. • Theorem 1: Positive characteristics may be due to an existent entity. • Definition 1: A God-like entity has all the positive features. • Axiom 3: The property of being God-like is positive. • Conclusion: Perhaps God exists. • Axiom 4: Positive characteristics are necessarily positive. • Definition 2: A property is the essence of an entity, if it belongs to the entity and necessarily implies all the properties of the entity. • Theorem 2: To be God-like is the essence of every God-like entity. • Definition 3: An entity exists necessarily if all of its essences are necessarily realized in an existing entity. • Axiom 5: Necessarily existing is a positive property. • Theorem 3: God must necessarily exist.

[@jacobLan]

I like the grateful quest. Thanks.

[@ivansanabria6633]

Lenox, atheism is not meant to explain any thing, It simply means refusing to praise any of the gods invented by men, which is all of them

[@Mr.Anglo1095]

What a stupid worldview lol

[@nathanielfloress7029]

Wow Amen 🙏

[@millardjones2136]

I totally agree. Thanks

[@enviropass4609]

Awesome person!

[@TearDownThisWall]

Without God, if there ever was a time when there was nothing, then there never could be anything. Nothing comes from nothing.

[@mcmanustony]

There never was any such time. This is nonsense- as absurd as the usual drivel from Lennox.

[@TearDownThisWall]

@@mcmanustony Ok, so you must be saying something always existed. What always existed specifically? Take your time, I'll wait.

[@mcmanustony]

@@TearDownThisWall no need to wait. The singularity at the beginning of the universe was the beginning of time itself. The was no “before” that.

[@TearDownThisWall]

@@mcmanustony "The was before that."😂Thanks for clearing that up!!🤣So what caused the beginning of the universe?

[@mcmanustony]

@@TearDownThisWall my thumbs are less accurate than my brain. However- I did spot it before you an corrected it. Why does the universe need a cause? The notion of causation breaks down in the attoseconds after the Big Bang. Throwing your invisible friend at the picture explains nothing.

[@Truth-Be-Told-USA]

Why are the basically zero accounts of Matthew 27:51-53? Would have been the greatest event in human/world history, I'm waiting. .

[@faithmcvicar3746]

It's so amazing the demonstration that Jesus revealed to humanity. Then, it's just blocked out and erased from the world. Wake up people! He has risen from the dead,and he Lord. Praise God that we are seeing God's word coming to life in this generation ! Elon has nothing over Jesus !

[@Truth-Be-Told-USA]

@@faithmcvicar3746 jesus can't and didn't survive on earth after cameras were invented lol

[@richardt.buryan832]

THE ISOMORPHISM OF UNDERSTANDING AND BEING REQUIRES INTELLIGIBLE, EXPLANATORY REASON. GOD CREATES BOTH; HENCE, ISOMORPHISM OBTAINS.

[@satishkumarsinha975]

Once try to know about the secret behind the origin of the natural numbers - Hindutwa encoded - what to talk of its real significance that brings humanity face to face with all. the eternal truths and realities represented by them ,when decoded successfully and realized!!

[@toosiyabrandt8676]

Hi The original Hebrew text of the Bible is mathematically constructed, as Ivan Panin the great Russian mathematician discovered to his chagrin! He WAS an atheist wanting to DEBUNK the Bible and God, but was humbled and saved in the process! HalleluYa Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua returning soon to reign over the world from Jerusalem forever.

[@mcmanustony]

Panin wasn’t a mathematician at all.

[@lilysudak4347]

Did anyone see the orb in the doorway ?!

[@jeans8565]

This type of thinking terrifies me.

[@nodi492]

Oh, great!!! ❤