Day After All of Trost Assets are Seized by Court Order - 1992-12-17 FTPS

[@chriswood3390]

Your dad was a staple of my youth. I appreciate seeing these old episodes that are treasure's to watch.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

So glad you enjoy them. Thanks for commenting

[@jayonez137]

Agreed

[@groundpounder24365]

Absolutely I very much enjoy these

[@TrentR0123]

Agreed watched him every week.

[@bumpshopdiaries]

I watched everything you uploaded. Also seems to be right around end of October/Nov haha so dope seeing new uploads 🤙🏽 I always tell people this was must see TV on Thursday in my house when I was a kid.

[@craigp187]

Your dad was the best host of this show, ever. Miss him and the show as he hosted it.

[@manuelkeats296]

What a tragedy, such a wonderful human being. We all miss him. Thumbs from Canada. Thnx for sharing the memories!

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Your welcome, Thanks for the kind words.

[@ericbunksvintagesportsman6311]

I love ole Fred Wish I could have met him RIP brother Love Ya

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

He was a people person for sure.

[@ericbunksvintagesportsman6311]

May God Bless hes a great inspiration for my channel @@Michigan-Outdoors

[@PEETY666]

Great memories. Thanks Fred!

[@robertcross6834]

Amazing that they took everything. At least you have his shows on film. Thanks for posting them.

[@12ernie]

I'm from Texas,born and raised 63yrs old.I've watched these shows when i could get them years ago,and i still watch them over and over.Great shows for any sportsman no matter where your from!Thanks for posting them!

[@livenfree]

How did you get introduced / connected to the show living in Texas?

[@markkopfman1283]

Grew up watching your dad and Bob Garner. My brother and I were on a episode fishing the mouth of the Ausable river on the north Pier. Your dad and Bob got me into trying fresh water drum that day. It was sometime in the late 80s maybe even 1990 can't remember.

[@groundpounder24365]

What a absolute shame..I remember this vividly 😪

[@bigjilm6522]

"One of my favorite series Fred ran on Michigan Outdoors was the investigation on the doe-in-heat and scent manufacturers. I wrote and posted this years ago on Usenet in various forms to counter the claims of the doe-in-heat and cover scents. In the early 1990s Fred Trost was interested in finding out what was in those bottles of doe-in-heat scent being sold. He investigated the largest manufacturer of scents, Buck Stop Lure Company, located in Michigan, and found out they were making blatantly false advertising claims about their products. In his magazine, Fred Trost's Outdoor Digest, he ran a series of articles detailing the investigation of the scent industry. Fred visited the Buck Stop plant in Stanton, Michigan for a tour with cameras and film equipment in tow. Apparently Buck Stop had no idea about this investigation, and proceeded to give a full blown tour of the plant. They probably thought this would be good for free advertising on the most popular hunting and fishing PBS show in Michigan. The Buck Stop spokesman said they started their own farm in 1970 began breeding enough animals to collect doe-in-heat urine for their operation. Buck Stop claimed they collect urine from a doe one day in October, and one day in November. But since a doe produces 2 quarts of urine per day (on the average) while in heat, this means only one gallon of urine per doe in a year. Buck Stop was bottling 42 gallons of their doe-in-heat scent an hour. The spokesman said that the location of the farm is kept secret for security reasons. But by using simple math, this would require a ridiculously large deer herd. In Michigan, any person or company must have a permit from the Department of Natural Resources to have wild animals in captivity. After the DNR's records were found for Buck's Stop farm, this what was printed about in the Fred's Outdoor Digest about the farm, "According to DNR records: 30 whitetail deer, 2 elk, 1 black bear, 15 foxes, and 6 coyotes. And that's it. That's the farm that supposedly supplies the leading manufacturer of scent products in the country. In fact, it would take 336 does in captivity to supply the Buck Stop factory for just one 8-hour shift. And to run their bottling process for six months, it would take 43,000 different does." A dozen of different doe-in-heat products (Robbins, Tinks, Buck Stop, Superior, ect) from different companies were sent to McCrone Associates Laboratory to see what was really in them. A sample of real deer urine was tested to be 95% water and 5% urea solids, so all the products should of had the same composition. Needless to say, they didn't. Many had less than the normal amount of urea, and had other chemicals such as glycol and glycerin in them. For example, The Outdoor Digest reported these results about Buck Stop's 200 Proof doe-in-heat lure, "2 to 2-1/2% solids, most of which are unrelated to deer urine..appear to be glycol related and interfere with detection of urea." The label on the "200 Proof" says its collected during the hottest five hours of a whitetail doe's 26 hour estrus period. But in reality it is 99-3/4% water and glycol. Some of the products tested had up to 4-1/2% solids, but it is highly questionable if they actually came from deer. 50 LB bags of dried urea are readily available from fertilizer companies, and when mixed with the proper amount of water, will mimic urine. Fred also explained about the stories of how that buck followed the trail of doe-in-heat someone put down. The cause of this behavior can be explained simply because it is a different smell in the woods, and the deer is merely being curious. Fred really hammered the industry and said a lot of disparaging (but true) statements about Buck Stop and the other scent manufactures. Buck Stop then sued Fred/Michigan Outdoors for slander/libel and won the case with a 2 million (?) judgment. I believe the Buck Stop filed for a Trade Secret stipulation which prevented Fred from revealing the results of the court recorded statements of the manufacturer. A lot of the evidence Fred had was ruled inadmissible in court because Buck Stop�s attorneys got it all ruled as a trade secret. Fred really got a raw deal out of the court case. It shows that any large company with deep pockets can afford the best ambulance chasers there is and win a case. It doesn't matter if they are guilty or not, the better attorney can win the case. This court case was what prompted Fred to get his law degree due the poor representation he had. Fred regrouped after the loss of the court case and started a new show, The Practical Outdoorsman. I noticed that everything that he put in the new building was on loan, such as mounts, displays, ect., so they could not be taken just in case of another court case. Later on, Fred investigated the myth that human urine, man-made perfumes, predator urine, or scents not normally present in nature will scare off deer. On his show, he took his own urine (a few hours a steak dinner) in an area frequented by wild deer to see if it would scare them off. The deer came right up to the urine and were not scared by it. In addition to the human urine, a bottle of Aqua Velva aftershave, and a quart of ammonia were dumped on the ground. A buck came up and sniffed both the ammonia and aftershave, and was not alarmed. One small buck even started licking the grass where the urine was dumped. This explanation was given, "But why doesn't this human urine scare them? Because urine, from any animal is primarily urea filtered from the blood and doesn't contain any clues as to what the animal has been eating." Before I saw this show, I used to climb out of my tree stand and walk downwind about a hundred yards just to pee. This was done out of fear that my urine would scare off the deer. Now if the urge to pee comes, I just go from the tree stand or blind. I have had deer walk over my urine and even sniff it without being alarmed." RIP Fred, I learned a lot from you." -taken from www.tndeer.com/threads/long-read-fred-trost-using-not-using-scents.224381/ to give some context to all of this.

[@noobkin997]

Thank you for all of this info! I just discovered Fred, what a guy

[@ericw3229]

You left out Trost was found liable for defaming Buck Stop in court. Buck Stop won a 4 million dollar judgment in a trial. Trost knowingly lied on air and in print about their company. Later he tried to hide assets by claiming his son owned them. After he died his widow won an almost 200,000 dollar judgment against the author of this channel over money she was owed.

[@ThurgoodJenkins-v7p]

Well done mate! Well said!

[@carlicehouse]

Great summary. I was fairly young when all this went down. I remember him doing the urine tests and for all these years that's what I thought Buck Stop went after him for.

[@JoseloPezoa]

viva fred para siempre en mi memoria!

[@Charlie-wg2uc]

Screw these scent companies. To this day it pisses me off what they got away with .

[@alaskaruss1]

So sad what the courts did to Fred. I was always a fan of Fred. I don’t like bowling but always watched Bowling for Dollars when Fred hosted it. He had a magnetic personality.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

That he did.

[@breckenambrose9274]

@7min mark I agree with him fully we Michigan folks will always hold near to our hearts what this show and the Trost’s did for us Michigan sportsmans.. throughout all the generations.. Blessed are those who plant trees under whose shade they will never sit.. so happy all these episodes still exists

[@petermastrangel546]

I remember they hung fred out on a limb a sad day for truth in advertising

[@tednelson7029]

Every Thursday evening I was glued to Michigan Outdoors/Practical Sportsman watching, listening, and learning from your dad. Fred Trost was the supreme hunting and fishing mentor to an entire generation of Michigan hunters. Off to my deer blind and thank you for sharing the memories, Zach.

[@alrove]

That was my experience exactly too. Was just 12 years old when this happened but I still remember it. I look forward to the Thursday nights as well

[@alvinmartin6270]

What happened

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Long story. Fred got sued by a scent manufacturer.

[@elncalls]

Never bought a Buckstop or related company product ever again after this.

[@darrylross68]

My dad and I watched Fred every week in a small town in British Columbia Canada! I grew up on this show! I remember as a kid rewatching episodes on vhf as he recorded every episode! A big part of the outdoorsman that I’ve become is because of two things. My Father, who taught me to respect the outdoors; (fish, animals, trees, plants, and all of mother nature’s resources that we are blessed to be able to live off of) and this show!!!

[@timshufflin9525]

I will never forget this episode. I was so angry about this. I was a young man at maybe 26 or so. I told every hunter I could to quit buying buck stop because of this. The POS at buckstop could have handled this in many different ways and chose attacking THE show of Michigan hunters and fishermen. I still stand by Fred, the math of urine collection from buck stop did not add up.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

It was definately a hard time, however we persevered against all odds as they were planning to put us out of business. Life went on and we still had fun!

[@rogerthomas3798]

Sure do miss this show. If it is of any comfort i drive by the buckstop building several times a week on my way to and from my hunting property. The building is clearly abandoned and in rough shape. Your fathers legacy of teaching the right way and doing the right thing will live forever thru you and his videos. Something to be proud of for sure.

[@forevercontrarian3517]

Fred was so iconic. I remember this as if it was yesterday. Sad. Fred was always the champion of all of Michigan outdoors-persons, resources and opportunities. I still have all of my Practical Sportsman Awards. I’ll refrain from going after Buck Stop but the reality was, no one was getting what they thought they were buying. Everyone knew that, or so the fraternity of mostly deer hunters did. Glad I came across this.... 🇺🇸🍀👍🎯😷🦌

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Thanks so much for commenting. No reason to comment on those things at this point. :)

[@buddyjackson2478]

A true icon, Michigan sportsman who needed hunting,fishing reports,law changes,and good old Michigan boy enjoying Michigan then you tuned into Fred every week he always had me as a viewer as long as I can remember and I'm approaching 50,Michigan loves you Fred!!!!👈👏👏👏👏👏👏🥇🦌🎣

[@matthoward8546]

Remember watching this very episode...thinking about how irreplaceable the mailing list was.

[@TheOriginalNaugaHyde]

Enjoyed Michigan Outdoors, Michigan Out-Of-Doors and The Practical Sportsman. Especially in the wintertime when I could stay warm and watch the re-broadcast on Saturday afternoons. Fred and guests would freeze so I didn’t have to.

[@05xlt]

I grew up watching Fred and miss the heck out of this show! I used to love visiting the museum and always hoped that I would get a chance to meet him there. Unfortunately, that never happened. He was a great man and did a lot of great things for those of us that love and live the outdoors. Earlier this summer, my girlfriends aunt asked me to come over to help her come up with prices for some hunting and fishing gear for an estate sale. In with all of the outdoor items were two Luckys blinds and they didn’t even appear to be used. So awesome to see that in the video. I’m glad to see you’re sharing these, bringing back a lot of great memories, thank you!!!

[@stevekwiatkowski2535]

I was 11-12 and would run home every Thursday to watch Practical Sportsman. Fred was a great inspiration. I've NEVER purchased Buck Stop products since this happened back in the day. Take care zack!

[@larryboatright8562]

I remember this very well even though It was a long time ago, I remember because I loved the show and Fred Trost is the best host ever! He took one for all of us! I felt terrible what happened but he did it because he believed in himself and what he was talking about, As far as I know he didn't lose any fans of his show it least I hope not! Fred Trost is the Fred Bear of hosting!! Miss you brother! Larry

[@JTLM_48442]

So confused what this is about

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

It is a long story but this was the outcome from a lawsuit

[@DavidBrown-dj7tw]

As everyone now knows, you have to be extremely careful what you say about someone's product. When they lose a lot of money because of your critical comments, you are going to lose much more. Best of luck to the Trost family in any future ventures. The Good Lord forgives, so rest in peace Fred.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Thank You!

[@ccarter0069]

Zach I am very sorry for all that happened there. I'm sure it continues to some degree. I appreciate you posting these I've watched em all. Your Dad was loved and is an American Hero. I hope your life is good.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Yes it does, That's life and It is good. I have a loving family and life is what you make of it. Thanks for your kind words, Back at Ya MAGA

[@davidcarter1492]

I loved watching his show... or shows as it were. I was a subscriber to the magazine when this went down. Subscribed to the new magazine as soon as it was introduced. Never made it to the museum though. I now watch a Michigan (U.P.) based outdoor show I found on youtube called 906 Outdoors. Whenever they have Buck night (like tonight) I think of watching Michigan Outdoors with my dad. I'll be sure to share your videos with him.

[@johnpearson4899]

I always thought game scents were a scam for pretty much the same reasons that he discovered. I stopped using it years ago when, during bow season, I had a similar experience due to an emergency "I have to pee right now - right here!" situation and a couple hours later, several deer (and a whistle pig) spent a significant amount of time leisurely grazing all around the spot. There should still be regional shows like this all over the country. When I was growing up in the 60s and 70s, there were a lot of locally produced sportsman shows, and shows on other subjects, all over the country. Now, "content" on the "World Wide Web" has replaced most of that. When they were operated fairly, local stations (both radio and television) were great assets to their respective communities. The internet could have and should have been one of the best things to ever happen to humanity. But, the one thing that ruined it all right from the beginning is, of course, humanity itself. R.I.P. Mr. Trost. Thanks for all you did.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Well Said

[@clyderichardson6475]

Your Dad’s program was a weekly must see in my home. Thanks for sharing this Zach.

[@nates2914]

When family's actually sat down and watched a TV show together.

[@ELIRAXPRT]

I’m so glad your Dad was able to continue the show. I didn’t start watching until after this happened. Who knows if I’d be hunting today if your Dad’s show went off the air. It was a major part of my foundation in hunting and shooting

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

So glad to hear, that would make him proud as that was his major motivation. It sure was not about money!

[@joedanette998]

I was young when this happened!!! What happened???? I never herd of this taking place?? Anyone have info???

[@kingfisher302]

What happened to your dad was a crime. He called out a corporation on a false product he probably went to far but they were stealing from hunters for sure. The folks that watched his shows were also victims. I personally have not bought any buck stop products since.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

I agree. Thanks

[@mauricehebert2839]

I feel so bad to what happened to your father.this show is one or my favorite hunting show that I really loved.and as today I still love the show, I remember like it was yesterday when it happen. I,m from Canada and every Thursday night I was in front of the tv. He was a good guy and yes it was to bad it ever got to that, I know he's gone but I send a big thanks to him and all of you. Please don't ever stop on what you believe. Thanks

[@artmartin1913]

I remember watching the episode that caused your Dad all this grief. I was shocked when he lost in court. He told the truth. I, to this day, never understood how he could have lost. I still refuse to purchase or use anything the Buck Stop sells.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

I don't either but it managed to continue after his passing and I was able to inherit some of the headaches that I am still paying on today. Thanks for Commenting.

[@lucasoldaker2158]

What did he do to grant such a lawsuit

[@artmartin1913]

@@lucasoldaker2158 he disagreed with Buck Stops claims that their doe-in-heat product was collected from deer while they were at the peak of the estrus cycle. The problem was with the amount of product they were selling they would have needed thousands of deer which they didn't have. Fred pointed that fact out. Fred went on to claim, if my memory is correct, that dumping your own urine in the same area you would use Doe-in-heat could also attract deer since they both contain ammonia which sparks a deers curiosity. In my hunting community we already knew that about Doe-in-heat so not many of us purchased it but a lot of people did so the company sued and, I'll never understand how, they won. Sad day for a guy that just wanted to help sportsmen and sportswomen. That's the way I remember it.

[@lucasoldaker2158]

@@artmartin1913 damn sounds like he got a shitty taste of our american just-us system where the rich get to buy the out come they want.

[@wdtaut5650]

@@lucasoldaker2158 He made a statement on-air that basically said there was no deer estrus urine in Doe-in-Heat. I remember thinking "Oh, Fred, you shouldn't have said that." At the time, a well known sportsman's association in Michigan was feuding with Fred (largely behind his back), particularly about things he was telling us about the DNR (that other association has a long buddy-buddy relationship with the DNR). That association wound up owning the better part of the assets of Michigan Out Doors (which was Fred's TV show) including the mailing list he mentions in this video.. It is my personal opinion, which I do not claim to be factual, that association helped Buck Stop win the suit against Fred.

[@jesusisGod1434]

We loved your dad’s show. Got me into hunting! God bless you and your family! 👍🏼✝️❤️

[@timbell6481]

Im so sorry to hear what happened. I grew up on Michigan Outdoors. Fred Trost will always be my hero. Thanks for memories.

[@namronkidder3326]

I was pretty young at the time, but I remember my dad being really upset about Fred getting screwed for telling the truth. & For what it's worth, because of your Dad, I pee in every scrape I can find. & Yeah it works pee is pee

[@igotajopamerica3040]

Lol. I do the same thing.

[@livenfree]

Feel inspired that he didn't let all he had been through stop him from going forward and producing a show! Speaks volumes of the support viewers had for the show and magazine. The next Christmas Eve episode available?

[@Machinist1755]

I remember a lot of this. Now that I'm older hopefully I understand better. Thank you Zach.

[@due51outdoors]

Very nostalgic. Fred had a great demeanor and outlook on life. I enjoyed Watching his shows as it made me want to get outdoors. RIP Fred.

[@gordylester3905]

Zach are you a lawyer

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

No but I did play one on TV years ago.

[@tomrichardson4045]

Knew your dad...thought he was a great guy .... enjoyed every episode ...down to earth reality hunting and outdoors at its best... Miss every aspect of it.

[@Mikadoman]

Your Dad was a Great man... I always loved watching him..To this day I will not use any buck stop s*** .. Thank you...... God Bless your Dad and you.

[@jimbade7254]

My dad and I enjoyed watching your dad's show, watching this brought back memories of my youth .

[@brucekiszely2995]

Holy smokes, didn't know this happened, how about a follow-up on this?, Thanks Zach!!

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Down the road we will see. Looking through the posts you might be able to glean some outsiders perspective on things. :)

[@carterjohnson6311]

Jesus @zach trust what a cliff hanger

[@baronofb.5323]

I remember watching your Dad/Michigan Outdoors on PBS when I was a kid in the mid-80's. We're in Ontario, Canada and IIRC, it was on Tuesday nights (correction - Thursday night). I was an avid young outdoors man in my mid-teens and was always glued to the TV for the show. I remember the deer urine test episode. I also remember the episode where he hunted bluebills from a layout boat - I wanted a SxS pretty bad after seeing that over the shoulder clip of him shooting a duck over the decoys. haha Great show and great memories of my youth.

[@TheDude-ru2cw]

Was a great show

[@av8rkirk]

A damped shame. Fred was a good man.

[@chucksgmgarage1116]

I used to watch this show every Thursday night truly miss an excellent show. Stopped watching Michigan outdoors just not the same show.

[@donwest2050]

we did so love seeing his show. miss him thank you

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Your Welcome Thanks for commenting.

[@seume]

Loved this show

[@michaelryan2327]

My wife used to work at the hilltop tavern in bath Michigan and Fred used to come in and get hamburger fries and a beer what a down-to-earth regular guy everybody liked him the new Michigan outdoors seems to just go to places where people own hundreds or thousands of acres and they let him go hunting on the rich property with all their abundant animals I like the old show better they would just go out on state federal land whatever

[@brianpurtee1489]

Watched Fred every week and went to his Outdoor Fairs at Houghton Lake every year. Good times.

[@guitarsnguns]

I remember watching Mort Neff & Jerry Chiappetta , then Fred Trost and watched this realtime, he sure got a screw-job by the court. Buck Stop was lying to customers and selling product that wasn't as advertised.

[@burton54ify]

How disheartening! I remember Fred from the Michigan Outdoors era on PBS back in the eighties, he always came across as a warm and friendly chap not to mention a vast reservoir of knowledge. And there was a period of time on that show where he made it his cause to make hunting and fishing and other activities more accessible to those with physical disabilities which spoke a great deal to his character in my opinion. A standup guy. I had no idea he was going through these legal difficulties.

[@earlyetman2258]

He sure got screwed over!

[@kevinwheat390]

Zach I was a fan of this show. It was on of the original hunting show and it was about Michigan.. I remember meet you at Wheat Jewelers as you purchase a watch from me years ago.

[@jackmrozinski337]

I watched this on chnl 19 when i was young . I watch every vid you post. Thankyou!

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Your welcome, thanks for watching.

[@banjo8704]

I remember this show well, I use to tape all his shows to put in my hunting vids. After his series about scents I never used them again. For several years I carried a bottle of ammonia and poured around scrapes per his advice. Can't fight big money as he found out. Sad.

[@creeksidehashman5365]

I remember that time. Everyone I knew would never use buckstop after they did this. I'd like to know what happened to all of your dad's stuff after they took it.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Much of it was auctioned off, MUCC purchased some of the Intangible Assets, We purchased some of it back, some was trashed, etc.

[@johnhill3706]

Fred you have a greatly missed you were a huge part of my childhood with my father watching you every week and then later when I was an adult watching you with my father-in-law. Will miss you may you rest in peace. He really got screwed on that legal deal. An apology handsome repeated retractions during deer season for a couple of years should’ve been good enough. I wouldn’t buy the product anyway even if it worked or didn’t work because they were so harsh when they would after you. They should’ve excepted a retraction come on apology, and a chance to even show how their product works with their testing procedures. If you made a mistake that’s one thing, but they try to crush you and destroyed everything you had built. Mini young men and women Heather lives shape by you coming to enjoy the great outdoors

[@tylershuff3283]

@@Michigan-Outdoors fill me in on why they took his stuff

[@eddiekross2130]

@@johnhill3706 Are you drunk?

[@terrymartin8352]

Yep..remember it well. I said before he got a raw deal. Miss his show still, none like him and never will be.! A TRUE MICHIGAN OUTDOORSMAN.!! Thanks for the memories..

[@vtrombly]

I can say it Mort Neff Bob Gardner and his cronnies where pissed that Fred took the Michigan Outdoors name with him after Mort screwed Fred over so they helped Buck stop Screw Fred again. You should start your own show Zack it is needed again besides that MUCC trash.

[@chrispelton9222]

never missed a episode..

[@hootervillehoneybees8664]

What a bunch of crap that was ...

[@ilovenythismuchilovenewyor5801]

What was that lil wind tool in the start of the video

[@RexApplegate]

This was before my time watching Fred in his time, but my fellow open carry movement founder, himself from Bath, told me this tale earlier this year while we toured the town and highlighted what used to be the studio and museum, and the plans he had for the land he lost. Fred's ability to roll with the punches, stay on task and unendingly be a hell of a nice guy to everyone remains the stuff of legend with those who knew or watched him. This episode surely showcases why.

[@billypashkoski8958]

This is sad to see, I had read about it online but to see it play out is kinda sucky, thank you Zachary for sharing this.

[@benge3x]

He caused his own problems. He could have backed off. He made many claims that he ended up pay for. Literally at the same time I brought in a buck with the product. Did the buck care what it was when he stuck his nose in my scent bomb and I killed him by bow? Didn’t matter, I killed the deer, did it matter what the deer was attracted to ? No. He should have backed off.

[@RexApplegate]

His drive to walk HIS line, to speak HIS truth is why I hold him in such high esteem. We could count on it every week, paired up with less of that and more political correctness from MUCC on the show before it. He heavily Inspired me with his fairly hated on later legal and political work, and polite but firm explanations to fans who were opposed.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Thanks for the kind words and support!

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Your welcome, Thanks for commenting.

[@lucasoldaker2158]

Wonder why uncle Ted didn't step in and help out with this lawsuit beings he is a big outdoors man from Mi.

[@221jk]

Cause uncle Ted doesn't care about anyone else

[@kevinellsworth9318]

Uncle Ted’s still an ass!

[@anthonyperotti151]

One thing I realized post-“Scent-scam” lawsuit...your dad, in doing this, and I’m sure wasn’t the original purpose of his inquiry into the subject...but became it...he revolutionized the scent industry...country and world-wide. But, I will state, I remember watching when your dad dispelled the myth of hunters peeing in the woods by pouring a bottle of his own urine out on TV as an example for the scent scam was genius!!!!

[@Growmechanic]

Remember the aqua velvet the buck went right too?

[@user-zu2bw7ig5v]

I'm not familiar with this story what happened?

[@benge3x]

He accused buck stop scents , a michigan company, if not putting deer urine, specifically doe estrous urine in their bottles. Said it could be cow urine. Wouldn’t drop it so they sued and won a 4+ million dollar judgement. He later got caught hiding assets as well. As far as I was concerned he picked a stupid battle to die over. I used other scents back then and killed bucks with their nose right in a scent canister when I sent an arrow through. Did it matter what kind of urine it was? No , it served as a curiosity to the bucks and put them in position for a good shot. I followed His show all his time in the air, he did a lot of good. But he went too far on a topic that wasn’t worth ruining what he had built. Most of us know while he did do a great show, he was not a great hunter, more if a typical occasional few day a year deer hunter. One thing he also became good at was big ideas but didn’t follow through on. Many restarts to his magazine, club, initiatives etc., most just kinda stopped.

[@edwardsabo8368]

@@benge3x agreed . Nicely put.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Keep in mind some of the information you are being provided in this thread should be taken with grains of salt.

[@bowhunterd2407]

I think he pretty much nailed it.

[@bigbluegpr]

@@benge3x I was around when this happened, and from what I was told by sources very close to this was that Buck Stop offered to drop their lawsuit IF Fred would pay them $1 a d make a public retraction on his show. He refused, and lost his ass. Even worse, it still affects his family. I also remember when he got busted for hunting without a duck stamp and also faced federal charges for illegal possession of federally-protected taxidermed raptors. I did a TV segment with him once (not on his show). He was completely full of himself and a legend in his own mind. I do realize the many positive things that he did, a d the great positive influence that he had on getting people (especially kids) involved in hunting and fishing. I give him credit for that. But like his son says: Take some of these comments lightly, because many of them don't know the real story, and our heroes aren't always necessarily what we believe them to be. I'll put my flame suit on now.

[@truckdrivinmilanr]

I always enjoyed the show. Visited the museum a couple times. And had a great time at the Outdoor Festival. The 100 yard bow challenge was awesome. Too bad Fred couldn’t have taken a 1st Amendment (Free Speech) defense against Buck Stop. Never have or will purchase any of their products. All that stress was probably his demise. Truly missed. Always wondered why he chose Bath to have the museum: No discharging firearms in city limits.

[@Radec74]

I remember this. sadly your Father got railroaded. his passion for the outdoors especially Michigan is a testiment.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

He never lost the passion for the outdoors.

[@1955nomad]

Hey Fred keep going .

[@scottdepuydt6605]

He was a great guy!

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

I agree, he was....well most of the time.

[@clintoncross3691]

Where is the the museum at

[@myronhornby1859]

Bath I think. I’m not sure if it is open.

[@jayc6747]

I remember the 👉BUCKSTOP👈 law suit and remember the when your dad took the tour and how he did his own test I swore I would never use BUCKSTOPS CRAP EVER AND STILL DON'T TILL THIS DAY

[@michiganhunting]

I’m curious as to what led to this occurring. I was only like six years old when I started watching Fred trolls, so I don’t remember much other than the fact that he is what caused me to get interested in a Hunting & Fishing.

[@michiganhunting]

What 🤨 I’m asking does anyone know why this happened?? Although this is not uncommon in the Hunting & Fishing Industry considering everyone is constantly stabbing each other in the back in that industry anyway. It’s extremely competitive!!

[@wolley2012]

That panhandler is a heck of an idea.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Lately it appears more and more are doing it!

[@thepatriot8514]

Crooked courts Crooked judges.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

and Politicians, Lawyers, Etc.

[@thepatriot8514]

@@Michigan-Outdoors 💯 corrupt

[@bluedogsurvive6501]

Buckstop is garbage F them! I watched Fred until I moved to the UP and couldn’t get it anymore! Sorry Fred, ❤️ ya buddy👍 hope your doing well!, wow sorry Zack I didn’t know Fred was even gone! Word travels slow in the UP, I’ll see ya soon enough old friend I’m getting up there and maybe we will finally get to hunt together

[@bigmell6262]

I remember watching this show as a kid I really missed this watching this show....

[@tommyhunter9641]

I sure do miss The Practical Sportsman show.

[@COPPERMOUNTAINCOINS.]

It just goes to show you that America was in decline long ago and is getting worse and worse everyday, when it hits bottom we wont be America anymore.

[@tylershuff3283]

So.eone fill me in on what i missed

[@waynemayle865]

Miss the old sportsman shows

[@ethanjarvis5587]

Can you explain this suit for the younger audience? Very interested.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Yes, at a later date. However you can gain the gist of things from comments on this thread. Just take some of the info with a grain of salt.

[@vintage3041]

I remember this like it was yesterday. Very sad the way all this went down.

[@foggymountainman9138]

You had a awesome day my friend!

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

You too

[@313-v9k]

Fred should have pulled a Hillary Clinton and smashed everything.

[@PaulMooneyOutdoors]

Amazing he's still so positive after that.

[@TJray623]

They tried but they didn't exceed ! And the hell with Bob too !! Big fat snake !! The michigan of outdoors show never was the same , that God Fred had his own show for awhile .

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Thanks for Commenting, Your are Right, Fred produced Michigan Outdoors from 1979-1992 and then the Practical Sportsman from 1992-2005. MUCC started their show in 1992 Called Michigan-Out-Of-Doors to replace Fred's

[@TJray623]

I know my family and i watched your father's show when I was a very young hunter to a adult when he took over the show when Morten retired even with Morten he goes a back a long time I did not miss many I can tell you that and i enjoyed them all and still watch your clips you post and still enjoy them it bring back a lot of memories to me watching them thinking of my dad .

[@mountainbike00]

Is your museum still open?

[@myronhornby1859]

Good question Norm 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@waynejedynak9443]

Unfortunately, Bob Garner and Rob Trot turned on him. We really didn't need this when the antihunting movement was ramping up. I still am not happy with Buckstop. Don't even know if they're still in business.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

Thanks for commenting. I don't know if they are either.

[@artmartin1913]

@@Michigan-Outdoors they are still in business. The old man that started the business back in 1953 turned it over to his daughter and son-in-law. Probably still have the same 20 or so does producing a hundred thousand gallons on pee harvested at the peak of the estrus cycle. (They must stick a garden hose down their throats so it never stops flowing) and I think that's where Fred and I had the problem with Buck Stops claims.

[@Michigan-Outdoors]

@@artmartin1913 LOL, yea Danny Boy!

[@James-il7hg]

Grew up with fred watching him on tv

[@randyclement2429]

Just read another article about your your stepmother suing you that sounded kind of sleazy