Chapter 1 - Gods and Monsters | DC Studios | DC

James Gunn shares his vision for the future of the DC Universe and the upcoming slate from DC Studios. Get ready to see stories you never imagined possible before on the big screen. Which project are you most excited about?
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[@KingDro-c5r]

I love how he acknowledged Matt Reeves and Todd Phillips with their names associated with their films instead of just saying the Batman or Joker 🃏

[@nemesisprime4501]

It's probably just to be specific on what he's talking about

[@ItsBobEvans]

I'm just glad we're getting Robin in a Batman movie!

[@tonymata8070]

RIGHT?!?! I’m so happy to see Robin in a feature film once again! ❤️

[@m.o.2185]

I hope we see a live action Nightwing story real soon tho

[@SilverShion]

but why damian !???

[@paumartineztabero8322]

Completely agree. I like solo Batman stories enough, but I think that there is a LOT of potencial wasted just by not using the character of Robin, who is constantly great. Well, that and the chance to finally have a good Teen Titans adaptation since like 2003.

[@DerrickVanderspoon]

FR. And the fact that it's based on Morrison's run is really getting me hyped. That's one of my favorite runs on Batman.

[@BladeBlur]

After Guardians 3, which is by far the best Marvel film since Endgame, I have 0 doubts James Gunn knows what he is doing.

[@Garlander]

By far? I thought no way home was right up there. Both were great movies but I wouldn't say it was "by far" better than Spiderman

[@yup5661]

@@Garlander it just had nostalgia bait

[@samuelesquivel6202]

​@@Garlanderit started to be good after half of the movie

[@chicoortuza204]

So you ignore the job james maded in guardians of the galaxy 1 and 2, and you need to see vol3 for realize his talent?.. Ok bro

[@Garlander]

@@samuelesquivel6202 sounds like you and Yup have your own opinions, but vast majority disagree with you both. Both no way home and Gotg3 are at the same level.

[@MrJedabak]

I like how he describes both The Flash and Blue Beetle as “fantastic films” and with Shazam 2 and Aquaman 2 it’s just “those movies exist”.

[@JamesEvans2023]

I'm pretty sure he wishes his name had nothing to do with those two films lol, the Flash really only serves him by resetting the universe and being apparently well made.

[@alvaro_atdrake1550]

this comment didnt age well lol

[@sohanbiswas1463]

@@alvaro_atdrake1550 The Flash was a Very Good Movie...It was Ezra Miller's and DC's Recent Reputation that Caused The Box Office Flop.

[@darthjarjar4386]

@@sohanbiswas1463I completely agree. I went in with mid level expectations and left happy that they were decently subverted.

[@100subsfornoreason2]

@@alvaro_atdrake1550the flash is a really good movie. Not perfect and absolutely not what the media said it was before release. But the story it tells is really good.

[@nickolausknepper2999]

"Story telling is always king, that's all that matters to us." YES YES YES!

[@justaghostinthesea]

THIS BODES WELL, BROTHER

[@Lucas-cz5to]

Lol its a marketing video dude

[@justaghostinthesea]

@@Lucas-cz5toAnd putting emphasis on storytelling is a selling point.

[@nickolausknepper2999]

@@Lucas-cz5to I know and?

[@Abhi-wh3ik]

Marvel: "Follow our story/formula or leave". I'm glad DC will still be hiring directors like Mangold, Todd, Reeves, and even Spielberg in talks for Blackhawks instead of just getting directors for hire to follow their working formula.

[@441bill]

The guts for this man to say "marvelous" several times to describe his future DC projects, all the love and respect for James Gunn!

[@cngotham4111]

Lol I didn't even notice

[@rzerknows914]

The boys vibe😂

[@SteveBroc69]

Hahaha.....maybe it's just a heads up Marvel. Let the DC BEGIN!

[@_ClaudioMerola]

LOL

[@Rony-L]

Smh. It begins.

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Legendary comic creator J. M. DeMatteis is confident James Gunn will do a stellar job because he respects the source material and its creators.

[@user-fm3xr9yz3i]

🤣 What comic does Peacemaker dance in briefs to cheesy 80s metal?

[@SirsasthNigam.]

@@user-fm3xr9yz3i that dance was meant to reflect the nature of Pacemaker comics

[@user-fm3xr9yz3i]

@@SirsasthNigam. 🤣

[@thatoneguy57]

I love how well Superman, Lanterns, Paradise Lost, and Brave and the Bold connect to each other from Superman being from space and than we see more of space in Lanterns and Paradise Lost having fierce warriors, which will also be a big part in Brave and the Bold.

[@jordoror]

In James Gunn We Trust!

[@MysticalMastodon]

In Gods and Monsters we trust

[@HarshYadav-so2jj]

But always trust....😂

[@bluanim8s494]

amen

[@Zeyrox1829]

‘’In James Gunn We trust!🤓’’

[@martydub8698]

average rapscallion who thinks zeyrox is a cool name 🦧🗿

[@lightyearpig12]

The fact that they're giving the Authority and the Creature Commandos some spotlight really shows how dedicated DC and James Gunn are to showing off the characters you wouldn't expect in a million years to get their own film or TV show.

[@tsheporabekane4172]

May Gunn do for them as he did for The Guardians...👌👌👌

[@nickoffury]

I'm so excited we'll be getting to see MIDNIGHTER 🥰🥰🥰

[@TR-lz4rs]

Really happy Wildstorm characters getting their chance....next will be Milestone characters

[@Sturmjaeger]

Creature Commandos Holiday Special when?

[@aryantzh2028]

the conclusion is.. mcu's gotg 3 will be the last james gunn movie in the mcu.

[@nilufaryesman1877]

Yeah you right james gunn, Goodbye of DCEU legends, now i'll waiting for DCU movies ☺️❤️

[@Major98]

Gunn has me really confident in this. Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy, the suicide squad, and Peacemaker are all super amazing

[@Dikbeeg]

He delivers

[@jimmy22334]

If he can do that well with B tier characters, I can't wait to see what he does with the big ones.

[@RT-bt5ql]

Maybe for kids

[@alejc8005]

if you say that about the movies suicide squad and peace maker, jesus something is wrong with you XD@@RT-bt5ql

[@Vgallo]

peacemaker was good, not great, it was too formalaic and predictable at times

[@AussieBall_Animations]

I’m sad for GOTG to end but i’m also quite happy for DC getting attention as DC has been being a bit quiet

[@dude_1983]

Same! DC has needed someone like him to make it all work. He learned a lot under Kevin Feige and will apply those lessons into this. It’s going to take awhile to build up so hopefully we get good movies that are critical and commercial hits like the majority of the MCU. Bring it on!!

[@Exo-lCaratDeobiDiveFearnotMy]

God i want dc to work so bad! After reading some comics i looove dc it deserves good movies, because the source material is great.

[@sebvdk6254]

Why be sad for GOTG ? They got the ending they deserved, and the characters won't disappear anyways

[@jon-vo6bn]

@@sebvdk6254 Because Rocket racoon Adam warlock groot etc are still interesting characters that deserve a future but oh well maybe they appear in Avengers movies

[@StuckonStupid84]

Something else that helps DC is that after Aquaman 2 we won't be getting any DC content until 2025. That gives us over a year for the hate to cool down and for fans to get a break from the company in general.

[@Wis_Dom]

Having the story move back-and-forth from animation to live-action is smart. Saves money, plus, you can take more risks. And DC has been stellar in the past with their animated movies.

[@quadphonics]

WRONG. Actors are NOT VA BIG diff.

[@saitosangha2711]

@@quadphonics andrew lincoln suits him to play Vision in marvel comics

[@SeanWheeler100]

Terrible idea. The characters should be driven mad by their world changing between live-action and animation. It should be consistently live-action while the animation is another continuity.

[@masonmonroe504]

Makes sense the way they are integrating live action and animation, as well as gaming. I read somewhere that Gunn was inspired by Star Wars for this new DC film universe. Inspired by the way the canon consists of live action films, animated shows, & video games. I'm all for this approach!

[@Wardfolio]

I agree. Great Idea! I can't wait! 🤩

[@LFS95]

I hope Gunn knows what he's doing!

[@LethalAttraction-1]

He doesn’t

[@AcaciusBanger]

@@LethalAttraction-1 btw its not "DCEU" anymore its DCU just like MCU finally!

[@LethalAttraction-1]

@@AcaciusBanger LOL yeah I wonder what eles it’s gonna be called when everything flops before it even starts with such a widely fractured fanbase that ain’t paying to see any of this

[@LethalAttraction-1]

@@AcaciusBanger That’s all we needed is a marvel 2.0 rip off

[@AcaciusBanger]

@@LethalAttraction-1 so what do "u" need? a sociopathic psychopath supe who kills random people for no REASON?? and superman with no emotion and sympathy at all? 💀

[@This-is-a-commentt]

0:56 bro fr got a gun to his head to say that

[@superjackster0165]

That’s the only logical explanation

[@roan6074]

I'm glad about DC Elseworlds. They can tell unlimited stories without needing to bother with continuity and more importantly it keeps thing fresh and interesting. Looking forward to more Elseworlds titles!

[@MrSatnavatron]

nothing will be as good as "What if"

[@BruceWayne1915]

@@MrSatnavatron thats true. However theres no shame in trying.

[@MrSatnavatron]

@@BruceWayne1915 I'm a proper British 90's nerd , we are a noble race of people . I've seen it all .. the only thing I like about DC is the Animation Movies and the Mark Hamill Joker , everything else is trash and made for $$$$$$$$$ not culture

[@Yoloswaggity]

I really hope he brings back Henry

[@squidsmove]

@@MrSatnavatroni don’t care for who did it better i just love watching new stuff lol

[@choppydell]

I love the chapter title "Gods and Monsters." I really like the cohesive nature to keep the animated voice-overs tied to film. The consistency is so important to keeping fans engaged in long-term storytelling.

[@aryantzh2028]

the conclusion is.. mcu's gotg 3 will be the last james gunn movie in the mcu.

[@sholo6198]

That's terrible title. 🤮

[@tonymata8070]

I love the title because it reminds me of the line in Bride of Frankenstein.

[@pooyasharifi2436]

#RenewYoungJustice

[@priyanshagrl1721]

Fun fact: There was a DC animated movie named Gods and Monsters!!! 7 years ago!! Try searching DC Gods and monsters!!!😉

[@prime_zeroo0]

Please just don't forget Tim Drake in The Brave and the Bold. As much a part of the Bat-family as he is an important Robin, Drake deserves attention. Let him be Red Robin.

[@MasterofMonkeys16]

I dont think he will be forgotten. Cause Gunn seems like the person to do under the red hood and that story had Tim drake as a big role.

[@albertbartyszak3057]

DC characters mean a lot for me. I trust in you James Gunn. I haven't been so hyped in a long time.

[@davidchittick6783]

James Gunn, Matt Reeves, & Todd Phillips are both gonna save DC.

[@charliegriffin2867]

I hyped so hard when he mentioned Swamp Thing. I legitimately cannot wait to see this all play out.

[@inthebasement1592]

Same. Even more so when he mentioned that they would be going full horror with ir

[@Myelement2110]

I wish they hadn’t cancelled and buried the show. It was one of the few things the DC Universe app nailed imo

[@cas_pian97]

its a shame they cancelled the show.. i hope the bring back the cast, they were phenomenal..

[@fynkozari9271]

I bet he cant top The Dark Knight.

[@JeremySheer]

We had a tv show and it sucked

[@michaelphillips5424]

Curious to see how The Flash is handled. Sounds like it will be a vehicle to reset everything (not unexpected, but not sure what that will mean for The Flash going forward). Still very excited for Blue Beetle. And, I hope since we are getting Damien Wayne as Robin that means we will already have Nightwing coming (and established as the original Robin). :)

[@greengraciano6846]

Sebastian Stan as an older Nightwing would be 👌

[@Silkysmooth-qk5nc]

And red hood

[@emoclowngirl]

@@Silkysmooth-qk5nc idk man they always avoid him🙁

[@SuperRONDALE]

Like flashpoint, we’re probably gonna get Wally as Flash.

[@m.i.a3532]

Probably getting Flashpoint perfect opportunity

[@SirJenti]

My friends and I always thought about DC projects and the fact that there can't be a DCU without animated projects. It's one of DC's strenght and they have to capitalize on it

[@Just.Kidding]

Swamp Thing is a particularly interesting case; it has the potential to be either a massive embarrassment, or something really, truly special. Honestly, I think the deciding factor will be whether the film will be animation or live-action. Animation is the superior medium in this case IMO, as it affords the creators the ability to completely and comprehensively integrate the unique tone needed for a Swamp Thing story. It would allow the creative team to create a more cohesive and pervasive atmosphere. That said, 3D/CGI animation has just as many pitfalls as a live-action film; Swamp Thing would be best served by "traditional 2D animation".

[@DiSCERiTY]

In the modern age, 3D cgi can look just as good as traditional animation. Also, this is definitely not going to be traditionally animated like at all lol, no studio (especially not WB who doesn't particularly like animation lol) would want to spend that much money on 2D traditional animation, when live action + CGI is ten times faster and cheaper. When done right, CGI can be as good or even better than some 2D animation. I'd rather watch a really good live action or 3d animated film than a bad animated one. Spider Verse is one of the most beautifully directed and animated movies out there, and that's CGI.

[@Victor-qx3vx]

The deciding factor usually is the script.

[@apoorvagarwal]

1:38 - Creature commandos (TV/Animation) 1:56 - Waller (TV/Live Action) 2:21 - Superman : Legacy (Film) 2:38 - Lanters (TV/Live Action) 3:03 - The Authority (Film) 3:29 - Paradise Lost (TV/Live Action) 3:45 - The Brave and the Bold (Film) 4:08 - Booster Gold (TV/Live Action) 4:39 - Supergirl : Woman of Tomorrow (Film) 4:58 - Swamp Thing (Film)

[@JohannesKrauser]

And Constantine 2 ( not mentioned )

[@casper8849]

I need those magical characters too....(zatanna, Constantine,raven etc,) :(

[@cosmosofinfinity]

Can't wait for Lanters

[@MrWii000]

Let’s hope that the DCU makes a much better DC-themed MCU attempt than the DCEU ever could. Good luck to you, Mr. Gunn.

[@mocilthatsmyname6937]

I just hope there is constantine in swamp thing, i mean originaly constantine was a side character in swamp thing and later become canon and dc decide to write his own story.

[@simelisiphomncube3434]

Love the fact that they being patient and taking time investing on the character and the storyline... Nothing beats STORYLINE man.

[@buntyskb]

what has gunn done in past that makes you think so high of him? is he nolan or spielberg or scorcese?

[@alexjsanchez7456]

@@buntyskb No he's not Nolan or Spielberg or Scorsese what does that have to do with anything? He's Gunn he's not a fantastic filmmaker but he's a good one. Stop being a hater and enjoy the ride

[@kaiko8085]

@@buntyskb No and he doesn’t need to be for anyone to think high of him. Go to your room.

[@samyak9949]

@@alexjsanchez7456 yeah, he knows how to please the audience, his projects has its own charm.

[@buntyskb]

@@alexjsanchez7456 so you think kissing booth actor would be a better superman than henry cavill? you think peacemaker doing dancing is great?

[@TGOSE-v7y]

Thank You, James Gunn!

[@orlandosable2217]

I am very excited about the upcoming projects coming up and hope DC Comics has success with future films and series.

[@victorresto7765]

I appreciate this "face to face". Glad that your giving public commitment to storytelling! I know not every movie or show will be a success. Giving the production teams opportunities to make unique takes on stories and characters, will keep me not only coming back long term, but, also to be looking forward to the next projects! You have my trust that you'll guide the ship in a good direction Mr. Gunn! Looking forward to seeing these characters come back in your new vision for DC!

[@benblack8941]

Just wished they’d gotten rid of Ezra Miller

[@Largentina.]

This is a KZbin video. It's not face to face. Easy mistake to make though.

[@darleneroldan2741]

@@benblack8941 Still hoping that even if flash does well, ezra gets replaced. Someone who actually looks like comis barry and isnt problematic

[@johnwick884]

Cool that he talks so directly and open to his audience and fans. Feels fresh and honest. And I am thankful that we keep the standalone movies like The Batman. I liked them more than the connected movies.

[@jacobmortimer4280]

Dont understand the criticism of Gunn that hes going to set up the DCU for "younger kids" or "babies", TSS & Peacemaker were NOT meant for younger audiences, hes also got James Mangold for Swamp Thing (the man who directed Logan mind you), he also said Creature Commandos was an adult animated series and i dont expect Waller to be anything less than a grounded gritty drama, i think he seeks to create a balanced dcu more faithful to the source material. Tired of the division amongst snyder, gunn people, whats the matter with liking both? To snyders credit he gave probably my favorite live action adaptation of Batman tho. Optimistic for the future of DC and Legacy will be a strong start!

[@SpiritOfTheWest1]

A lot of peace of mind & excitement knowing James is on the job. Been waiting for something like this to happen to the dc universe for a long time

[@davidcordero69]

That lantern series sounds just like the ideal storyline I’ve been wanting for years! DCs future is finally looking bright

[@RyanCunningham]

It's a lot better than another GL origin story

[@Mrgomodefr]

lol that green latern show is the same one that was annouced 5 years ago😂😂 Gunn is just taking over it now thankfully

[@ObligedUniform]

@@Mrgomodefr This. In general for the 'main' continuity, his approach seems to be more "Hey guys, lets DO something eh?"

[@doge4924]

Just left my footsteps My hsc exam will coming I will back after 8 years ( Maybe)

[@SS-do3zv]

That’s really the only interesting one.

[@caliomaston42418]

I really like the idea of letting characters go from animation to live action with the same actors

[@calamariboss8532]

Same. Having characters remain consistent across mediums opens up the door for even more styles and genres of movies and tv.

[@pantslesswrock]

And video games! Don't underestimate how huge that is - just look at the recent Avengers game. It was so visually disconcerting to have all these stunt doubles instead of the actors or just using classic comic designs.

[@xmal2233]

@@pantslesswrock hopefully we can get another game like injustice

[@willjackson5885]

@@pantslesswrock Really? The Avenger’s game had plenty of problems, but I thought the visuals and designs were great. They fit right in with PS4 Spiderman and Guardians of Galaxy. Unless the games are explicitly canon to the movies, it’s better not to have the movie actor’s voices or likenesses.

[@pantslesswrock]

@@willjackson5885 I thought it was okay to play but terrible to look at!

[@harshitsoni4503]

who is here after channel logo changes

[@fg9723]

Me

[@forsaken-pr5iz]

Who’s rewatching this after Milly Alcock was announced as Supergirl?

[@zacharymccoy7091]

I'm all for more Green Lantern content. You can make so many movies and shows out of just that part of the universe, it's insane.

[@kirasenpai9200]

Green lantern blackest night

[@XN30G3NX]

Ive been saying the same thing for YEARSSSSS. You have an entire massive collection of stories there. Kyle Renner, Guy Gardener, Jessica, any of Hal's dozen of alternative lines...

[@milkiassamuel780]

It seems likke their taking a moderately grounded approach to Green Lantern, and hopefully build up to the more bombastic, space opera/sci fi epic Green Lantern adventures the character deserves in a live-action film. I'm very excited and interested to see where this series goes I am a massive Green Lantern an and I believe Green Lantern aa a franchise has the potential to become DC's Star Wars. I've literally written up 6 scripts creating a saga of GL films that I plan to one day pitch and hopefully iff this shows goes well and line up well with what I hhave in mind then that would be a dream come true.

[@KaedeSenou]

Yes, because there has never been a Green Lantern movie. Ever.

[@leelo1940]

@Kaede Senou indeed there is no green lantern movie

[@mgbomb11]

Can’t wait to see how consistent this line up of films and shows stays.

[@nickloschen2717]

Now that they actually have a plan I'm sure it'll stay consistent

[@TheNorth15]

@@nickloschen2717 They actually had a plan originally for DCEU under Zack Snyder, going from Batman v Superman to a Cyborg and Green Lanterns Movie. The problem is, DC and WB didn't commit to the plan and started spinning new projects out of nowhere left and right. I'll believe in this slate if they show they can actually commit to two films per year and not start spinning a bunch of films out of nowhere.

[@ninjagamer1359]

Lol, yeah, if history tells us anything, almost none of it will happen. But I think that might be different now that James Gunn is actually running things, for better or for worse

[@elin111]

@@TheNorth15 That's because BvS was so reviled that it made immediately clear that plan wasn't going to lead anywhere. They spent 6 years trying to fix the mess that BvS left behind, they finally took the hint to start over.

[@aestheticballers40]

@@elin111 Whatever 'mess' it made, am pretty sure that the Snyder cut fixed it. WB should have been patient and not rushed Snyder's vision. BvS came too soon. Regardless of what you think a lot of people that hated BvS then are now starting to like it.

[@HellMongrel]

This gives me so much hope as a DC fan

[@channingbloom7125]

This feels like the end of the marvel saga and the beginning of the DC saga.

[@Iboughtthemarvel]

Exactly

[@volkovedits]

Marvel ended after Endgame. Had two good movies since them

[@GSG02590]

This video has no relation to Marvel, you're just a typical marvel hater.

[@HolaMundoTheMisteriousAG]

Oh sh17, here we go again

[@kayaanbedi5554]

Everything you said is wrong The Marvel Saga is reborn today The DC Saga is cooked

[@cram2979]

Green Lantern show & Swamp Thing movie are what I am ready for. Hopefully they go deep into the Lantern lore.. bring on Atrocitus.

[@williambeck2372]

WITH BLOOD AND RAGE OF CRIMSON RED!

[@DerrickVanderspoon]

@Bidoof No, the WB/CW partnership is pretty much over. This will most likely be an HBO show.

[@Intr0vertical]

@Bidoof HBO

[@cram2979]

@@williambeck2372 Yesssssssssss

[@samyak9949]

And also booster gold , I wasn't expecting them to do booster gold this early. I hope they will also do atom, firestorm, mr terrific, red tornado and ZATANNA!!!

[@shakedmar9804]

I just love how Mr. Gunn is a comic book fan just like us, and I really feel that in his speaking, he talks just like any of us would. Honestly, no one deserves to be in charge of this fantastic universe more than him.

[@sholo6198]

Nah, he's terrible. He doesn't know anything about comic book and it's going to ruined.

[@Goran_Barbaric]

@@sholo6198 would like to see you in charge of the DC if he doesn't know how to make a movie

[@Gabe600]

@@sholo6198 he constantly posts comics he's reading on social media one of them was Supergirl Woman of tomorrow by Tom King that will be adapted

[@Ay3shizzle]

@@sholo6198 whatever

[@NathanNguyen128]

@@sholo6198 Who tf are you?

[@thequiet5727]

For those trying to boycott Gunn's Superman Movie...grow up. Snyder Verse is over. Warner Bros screwed up the DCEU miserably. There's no reason to hate Gunn for rebooting the DCU and starting from scratch.

[@Dikbeeg]

Snyder screwed up DC too not just WB

[@natesmemes1794]

*#SupermanLegacyIsDOA*

[@Dikbeeg]

@@natesmemes1794 hack snyder rots in netflix

[@QuxLux]

​@@Dikbeeg snyders vision of dcu was better then james

[@Dikbeeg]

@@QuxLux superman about to get cuked by benaffleck thats hack snyder vision

[@michealtaylor6106]

Thank you james gunn for finally giving us a clear vision for Dc going forward

[@quickflash2studios232]

I almost had a heart attack when he said “The Brave and the Bold” that animated Batman series was my childhood!! It’s the reason I want Deadman, Red Tornado and Etrigan in live action!

[@PharaohoftheHouseofLife]

...and it will be the complete opposite of The Brave and the Bold stories, simply (another) Batman paired with Robin. Well played

[@thejordyoshi]

The Brave and the Bold was also a comic book series prior to the show.

[@rezsurfer2808]

WHo are they....? Never heard of them

[@bendovbloch7630]

ye I got excited as well!!! Even tho its not the same I still thank the change and I hope it will be awesome :)

[@Dvdshake]

@@rezsurfer2808 deadman and etrigan show up more in Justice League Dark stories and the supernatural side of the DC universe. Red Tornado is a robot who is a member of the Justice League. Controls tornados

[@michaeltennyson3760]

Did anyone else get really excited when he announced a green lantern show or is it just me. 2 of my favorite lanterns in a live action show can’t wait for it to be released and give the lanterns justice

[@alexjsanchez7456]

I just hope the big bad of the series is another lantern I always find them fascinating like Sinestro, Atrocitus or Larfleeze

[@usernameunknown69]

I got INCREDIBLY excited

[@usernameunknown69]

@@alexjsanchez7456 Larfleez would be HILARIOUS dude

[@devonogrady6403]

This is the one that gave me goosebumps

[@samyak9949]

I hope guy Gardner also appears in the show, that man is always hilarious in animated shows

[@nandankongara]

This is actually a good plan , Batman and his family in DCU and also Single young Batman in Matt reeves universe at the same time

[@bulatao195]

"To a new world of gods and monsters!" 🥂

[@empty6155]

Chapter Two better be magician-focused. I need to see Zatanna, Klarion, Fate, and Constantine.

[@illrule7291]

Especially Constanine - Zatana , fate must severed for chapter 4 or 5

[@averageyoutuber1058]

I think we will get Easter eggs of Constantine and zatanna and other justice league dark characters, in the Swamp Thing movie… He says that the swamp thing movie is horror based and darker in tone, so I’m sure we will get Easter eggs about darker DC characters…and hbo max series as well..

[@bradcsuka5054]

I just posted another comment that I'm getting vibes from Gunn that he might be looking to tell the American Gothic storyline from Moore's Swamp Thing run. That would include significant involvement of the magic-based DC heroes, with Constantine being the driving force. If that's where he's heading, I give him major props for boldness. That storyline is wonderful, but it's also not for the faint of heart nor would it be easily adaptable to film. Just the thought of seeing a gigantic Spectre dwarfed by the Darkness gives me chills though...

[@a.g.m8790]

It won’t be because they don’t sell

[@firstlast9846]

A.G.M - Half of MCU’s catalogue of characters didn’t sell - but they’re still managed to do something with them.. and fym - those are beloved characters

[@quanle724]

I'm a big fan of the old cast of the DCEU. And I know plans get changed all the time, especially in the film industry. But the way he describes everything in this video makes me really want to believe that all of these projects and the ones after them will come to fruition. My fingers are crossed. DC, you'd better not disappoint the fans any further!

[@AmundLyric]

I think if wb leaves them alone and just let them do this, they can leave marvel in the dust

[@jay2x_1]

@@AmundLyric With James at the helm they most definitely could

[@anonsmith3459]

@@jay2x_1 - That remains to be seen given his reading ego & insulting the DC fans period.

[@Gotham_Media]

the real fans hate the new casts. Other than Batinson, he’s pretty great.

[@SpiderboyN2Jesus]

I'm also a fan of the old DCEU cast. And it really frustrates me that they're going to allow Elseworlds projects, but they won't at least let those actors come back in that capacity. However, I am definitely cautiously optimistic about all this. I would have been really excited if they'd allowed Henry Cavill to continue playing Superman, so that's a big blow to my confidence in all this, but I think it could still be great!

[@DareMonkey]

Never thought I would be hype about the DCU until I watched GOTG 3. Now I love James Gunn and I'm geniuenly excited about the DCU going forward.

[@bigfatcarp93]

I low how transparent he's being and how clearly he's communicating. It's very refreshing in an age of misinterpretations and vague news. The doofs and trolls are out in force in the replies, everyone come laugh at them with me!

[@WonderMayne]

He probably had the same frustration with Marvel and how secretive they were that it allowed the fans to over expect in a time where marvel is lacking on creativity. So now as the head he knows what the fans want and need so he’s doing his best to build that bridge to us.

[@pnut3844able]

So they kept the POS flash actor but fired Cavill. Smh fukking pedo Gunn.

[@anonsmith3459]

WHAT'S NOT COMMUNICATED IS HIS APOLOGY. THERE IS NO VICTIMIZATION HERE AT ALL- HE SAID WHAT HE SAID HIMSELF ON HIS OWN SOCIAL MEDIA. STOP TRYING TO MAKE HIM A VICTIM WHEN HE WAS THE ONE INSULTING THE VERY SAME DC FANS HE GONNA BE PEDDLING HIS PROJECTS TO. TF??

[@anonsmith3459]

@@WonderMayne ARE YOU HIGH? HE KNOWS WHAT WE WANT?? WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT & WE WANTED WHAT WAS PROMISED-MAN OF STEEL 2 PERIOD. HE DOESN'T KNOW BETTER THAN WE DO IN WHAT WE WANT & WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING WHAT HE DISHES OUT. YOU PPL AND THESE FAKE COMMENTS ARE SICKENING AF

[@C1ockwork]

@@anonsmith3459 I don't want Man of Steel 2

[@skch3062]

I really hope when they introduce the batfamily they get a tv series with hours long episodes to truly explore each member of the family and their dynamics with each other

[@albertosaezmorillas2550]

A nightwing and batgirl film would be insane

[@theordinaryhuman7557]

@@albertosaezmorillas2550 that's the best thing about this reboot

[@firstlast9846]

FINALLY a bat family and non realistic Batman

[@DannyHodge95]

Best thing about this is that all the stories actually seem interesting. Very few (if any) seemed like "Here's superhero X, here's villain Y, he wants the box/gem/weapon, hero must stop him", which is the trope that both Marvel and DC have churned out recently (excluding Batman/Joker). It's refreshing to be excited about the premise of a superhero film again, James clearly knows they can be so much more...

[@andyfleming6784]

James Gunn is incredible writer (and loves great music) and I can't wait for the shows/movies.

[@IslandVibez_Virgo]

I’m surprised to say I’m cautiously excited about this announcement! I love that we’re getting Damian Wayne as Robin & that the main stories will finally be connected. I’m really rooting for DC to get this right ❤

[@D00g54]

Noo

[@brandon1234]

That news of Damian made me excited for this universe. Because he's the last Robin I expected to see and we'll probably see the other ones in the movie too, since it's a Bat family comic

[@rhysioeren3203]

For some reason I feel screwed with these announcements. It feels like they are moving away from the roots and getting only into new characters and new stories, which is ok, I guess but they can't forget all our beloved characters, like nightwing, batgirl, the new gods. I like the idea of bringing the green lanterns, though it sounds kinda limited with just 2 members of the corp on earth. I like booster gold, he is an idiot basically so probably is going to be fun. I love swamp thing one of my favorites. I think we will have to see the rest of their ideas, see what is next for batman and the justice league, teen titans, etc.

[@jaylenjayden9305]

@@rhysioeren3203 bruh if he has Damien than nightwing and Oracle are here Jason is probably dead and we could get a sequel with an under the red hood adaptation

[@IslandVibez_Virgo]

@@rhysioeren3203 I do agree that I wished he announced more legacy characters & storylines. Like I hope Lex Luther is somewhere around this universe! Gunn has a real quirky sense of humor so for now I guess we’re gnna get all his quirky favs.

[@woodbridgesfinest1904]

I have to say I'm excited for the Superman Legacy idea and the Green Lantern/ True Detective idea is brilliant!

[@jaustmike9001]

Yes, Superman Legacy seems exciting. I just hope the tone and look of it will be ala Spielberg with John Williams music, not Dark Knight. Coz Superman is not Batman. 😁

[@mattragusa210]

It depends on who they cast as Superman in my opinion. Still feeling the pain of losing Henry.

[@woodbridgesfinest1904]

@@jaustmike9001 Agreed. More All-star Superman like.

[@woodbridgesfinest1904]

@@mattragusa210 Yeah, they did Henry dirty. He deserved a better story and tenure in the DCU.

[@mattandrews2594]

I'm getting the popcorn ready for when Michael B Jordan is casted as Superman. He's been gunning for that role for years.

[@SeninTypeShit]

The way how James just sound alive and not an average NPC makes me tear up, this man really gave me hope for DC again ever since my Superman themed 6th birthday party. God bless this man's soul.

[@CPFCPlumber]

Look how many cuts there were when James was speaking. Ive always found that off as true passion would come out freely, not a cut every 3 secs.....

[@PitBot-d7k]

If that Superman movie flops it's game over for DC. We're gonna get nothing but Batman movies until the sun burns out from the sky

[@Dikbeeg]

This is the most metally ill comment this month 💀

[@DTC_95]

As a fan of both Marvel and DC, I’m freaking excited for what Gunn and Safran have slated for DC’s future !

[@tonymata8070]

Same here, I’m a fan of both and I’m exploding in pure joy! So happy to see someone give love to Superman once again.

[@dominiquepowell3158]

You got that right brother

[@Bogun-02]

Same man I've enjoyed both marvel and dc so I super excited for the future

[@RnBsucks]

Hear, hear! Grew up reading both DC and Marvel and other European comics. So i wanna see both and others do well. So excited about the future of the DCU output.

[@manuelorozco7760]

I’m a fan of both too. I’m just not sure I can commit to the new continuity full time

[@ColtonT13]

I hope we get a live action version of Batman: Under the Red Hood in the future. The Batfamily is very important to get right and I hope Red Hood, Nightwing, Bat Girl, and Robin all get the love they deserve.

[@jajo3203]

Yeah hopefully reeves does it or something Since Gunn decided to put Damien in Red Hood Is already gonna be established Or at least he should be I don't see why he shouldnt I'm hoping theyd have to make a prequel or something to do him in the main DCU now

[@axxo7682]

I can definetley see under the red hood being adapted in this new universe.

[@jamesneese7663]

lets see how Gunn get this started before making wish lists.

[@jason_todd_isbatman7009]

Doubtful

[@griffinholmes8024]

All the other members in the bat family nightwing Batgirl Red hood batwoman and Red Robin

[@apenasumgeek3149]

Can't believe we're almost there, Superman (2025) LET'S GOOOOO

[@jimmy22334]

If he can turn Peacemaker into a great TV show, i have no doubt about his ability to make good content

[@brucewayne8158]

yet no one cared to see suicide squad

[@JacksonLane02]

​@@brucewayne8158 to be fair though people just got back like 5 months before then to seeing films and people were slowly going back into theaters. So it ain't exactly his fault more so just an unfortunate event and it coming out at a wrong time for movies to come out

[@Dikbeeg]

​@@brucewayne8158is that why his suicide squad destroyed snyder's flopped snyder cut at hbo max ?

[@simoncespedes407]

1:27 "In Film, Television & Gaming", Wait, so you're telling me that there will be Video-Games that will be Canon in this continuity? You now have my total attention

[@judge_dreddpool7593]

"You had my curiosity, but now you have my attention."

[@Iiiiiiiii69iiiiiiiiii]

It's possible in future, but not sure whether it will be great

[@PJVids83]

I'm not really a comic book reader but I love Gunn's enthusiasm for what he's got planned. Can't wait to start seeing his vision.

[@batmanwins5701]

The biggest surprise here for casual fans is going to be the Authority! The run that warren Ellis did is a total gem and I never expected to see it adapted. I believe it’s going to be a surprise hit. Kinda of like Guardians of the galaxy or the Boys, going from obscurity to highly popular properties in a short span.

[@Moderate_Rock]

@@batmanwins5701 Yes! I'm shocked to see a WildStorm movie made.

[@doge4924]

😁

[@aestheticballers40]

Same.

[@wayneshobbygallery]

Agreed, even as an MCU fan like myself, would love to see the whole thing unfold. 😍😍

[@sammuelcruz4169]

I didn’t expect creature commandos right off the bat. They are one of my favorite superhero teams so seeing them as the show that will help kick off the new DCU blew my mind.

[@animespace1135]

In James Gunn we believe

[@AkataHabo-hx9ek]

He's 6 out of 6 with his superhero projects for me so I have faith

[@dannyjb1445]

I'm actually excited we're getting a *Lanterns* show. And the fact that it's also gonna be a sort of mystery genre makes it better since I love the suspense they give. What was unexpected was that Amanda Waller's gonna be getting her *OWN SHOW* bro... AND A LIVE-ACTION DAMIAN WAYNE?!! THIS JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER AND BETTER!!! And I love that they're also giving Booster Gold his own spotlight now, he's actually one of my Top 20 favourites. LOVE THIS!🙌❤️

[@Bad_Wolf_Media]

I'm interested in the "Lanterns" because it's NOT a GREEN Lantern show. Using the imagery of Stewart as a Yellow Lantern is an interesting choice.

[@dannyjb1445]

@@Bad_Wolf_Media Hmmmm, yeah... An interesting choice indeed.

[@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168]

Most excited about the Lanterns show personally! The whole Lanterns concept is so broad, it's really tough to pull off in a movie

[@glennmorganfan9411]

I would be more excited if it was a Lantern OTHER than Hal Jordan. He's gotten the spotlight far too much already. I want some of the ALIEN Lanterns. (Bring me Mogo!!!)

[@Krotas_DeityofConflicts]

@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 you should be excited about The Brave and The Bold based Batman movie😡 say it! Say that's the most exciting thing.. then u may add Lanterns. Now!!!

[@alberto1583]

While I don't love all the projects I appreciate the variety and I really respect that the artist's vision comes first. If for nothing else there is something for everyone and more obscure characters can get their story told.

[@Nick-pk5nj]

How you don’t like something that’s not out yet

[@Kinosis79]

@@Nick-pk5nj Most of it isn't interesting, at all.

[@jturner2577]

Almost everyone.

[@peapopea]

@@Kinosis79 and likely wont make a ton of money, still if the quality of the story and screenplay is good then it will be appreciated.

[@alberto1583]

@@Nick-pk5nj Personally I just feel indifferent to most of the slate, but there are some I'm really excited for. I'm going to give each project a fair chance when they come out. I just wanted to emphasize while I personally am not excited for everything I do appreciate what James and Peter are doing. I sincerely hope each project finds its audience and that I can get hooked as well.

[@jhandle900]

Love the breakdown, so so happy for James and excited for the future of DC!!

[@markoportuondo7375]

More than a year later, Superman is officially in production. 😌😁

[@ashleytuchin7693]

Some interesting surprises here, I'm really looking forward to seeing how a more cohesive DC film and TV universe plays out. I'm especially excited to see the Batfamily finally make its way to the big screen.

[@anonsmith3459]

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO AN APOLOGY THAT'S NEVER COMING. HE MISSED HIS OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO WITH THIS FAKE VIDEO.

[@digital_oni]

@@anonsmith3459 why would you need an apology do you have any idea how broken and boring the dcu was in its current state Edit: I'm saying this as someone who not only prefers the comics but I also think the dc universe is better then marvel

[@spider-geddon6088]

I'm excited to finally see Green lantern again

[@jamesw5287]

Honestly, James seems like such a nice guy and he's obviously incredibly passionate about these characters. He has a lot of heart tbh, and I am excited to see where he takes these characters. Combining animation and live action cast is also pretty awesome

[@AlexMcGillvrey]

I'll hate him forever if he doesn't bring back Sasha Calle back as Supergirl.

[@user-qq4pb6li3z]

@@AlexMcGillvreyI don’t think anyone really cares about what you think tbh

[@AlexMcGillvrey]

@@user-qq4pb6li3z You should try telling that to everyone else who wants to see Sasha Calle as Supergirl again.

[@Isaacisaperson4677]

well seems like your gonna hate him@@AlexMcGillvrey

[@AlexMcGillvrey]

@@Isaacisaperson4677 The same for everyone else who wants to see Sasha Calle as Supergirl again.

[@omarjocelyn]

Who's here after David Corenswet was confirmed as Superman?

[@shilasarkar6126]

I hope they'll add a baddas batman for the original DCU

[@urbnctrl]

hope, thats what DC fans have been doing for the last 15 years now.. I really don't get why they dropped the Rock when he made a really interesting effort to switch it all up. Guess the execs dont like a measly actor doing their job, stupid gatekeepers. @@shilasarkar6126

[@babayaga9805]

"I wanna be true to the story, I wann be true to you guys"-James Gunn I love your work and can't wait for you to reset DC and bring back its former glory

[@evilchickenproductions]

This is probably the only time I've been excited for the future of DC movies in my whole life.

[@TimDaco]

YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! In James Gunn We Trust!!!

[@jwanie366]

4:28 after watching “The Flash,” I really hope James and Peter bring back Sasha Calle for that movie. She put on an amazing performance as Supergirl!

[@judge_dreddpool7593]

Honestly, she was one of the few good things about the movie (alongside Michael Keaton returning as Batman). Otherwise, the movie was utter tosh IMO.

[@agentzurg3592]

I hope that Ezra Miller still maintains his role as Barry Allen in DCU after DCEU Flashpoint event😅

[@vidyasagar7233]

@@agentzurg3592 why TF bruh

[@terrillgoodwinejr537]

Milly Alcock

[@xpreame3406]

I love how Gunn is making everything because he actually cares about being faithful to the characters no matter if it's marvel or DC

[@midnightxtale]

DC universe crossover mortal Kombat RIP MARVEL

[@Android-Twenty-One]

@@midnightxtale I like Mortal Kombat games and DC. *MK vs DC is not a good game.*

[@midnightxtale]

@@Android-Twenty-One marvel is dead

[@Android-Twenty-One]

@@midnightxtale In movies yes it is unfortunate. But in video games it's going strong. Also so excited for the new DC Movies and Shows! Especially Booster Gold and my main favorites Green Lanterns!

[@Mr.PR2000]

@@midnightxtale Marvel went too woke.

[@jaredguffey1185]

I'm so pumped for Superman: Legacy, and The Brave and The Bold!!! Also the new Lanterns show sounds awesome! Can't wait to see what Gunn and Co. create and give to us DCU fans at last!

[@mohamedfawzy5843]

He looks like he knows everything about DC comics more than Feige himself.

[@nasilelelisselo2348]

Also show love to the first timers like the Gods and Monsters; Creature Commandos, Wildstorm's The Authority, the long awaited The Blue Beetle, Booster Gold and then Wonder Woman lore and Supergirl's PTSD. Another shot at the JL Dark Universe's Swamp Thing.

[@mohamedfawzy5843]

@@nasilelelisselo2348 The only thing I didn't like from him is keeping Ezra Miller

[@mitchellregan21]

@@mohamedfawzy5843 In fairness Ezra’s movie has yet to come out, so PR wise they probably don’t want to confirm he’s done.

[@mohamedfawzy5843]

@@mitchellregan21 So do you think that they could recast him after the Flashpoint event.

[@BigBulge65]

Half of these projects I’ve never heard of, but I can tell that James Gunn cares so much about this. he’s incorporating much lesser known characters that shows me that he must be a true DC fan, I know that he is most definitely going to ELEVATE the DCU. I CANT WAIT JAMES GUNN IS INCREDIBLE 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@CommanderSteelTrap]

Wow, it’s now been a year since the announcement.

[@intensehumanbox9662]

4:10 This is literally just me I'm thinking but "Wooooh Yeah baby! thats what I've been waitin for thats what its all about!"

[@tordb]

God I can't wait for Swamp Thing. Superman and Batman are sure things. But Swamp Thing can be absolutely terrifying and I'm all about it. I just wish they didn't cancel the tv show. It was beyond excellent.

[@dominiquepowell3158]

I was pissed when it got canceled but a movie sounds better.

[@monsterking1973]

Same I love swamp thing DC has the best supernatural stuff

[@tonymata8070]

I was pissed off that it was canceled and not revived at HBO Max, but knowing Gunn’s background in horror like the disgustingly awesome and hilarious “Slither” and “Brightburn” (he produced it) I have faith that he’ll do the character justice and it will be amazing.

[@samyak9949]

Swamp thing horror movie would be crazy, im so excited!!!

[@monsterking1973]

The swamp thing movie will be part of the new DCU he said movies like joker 2 and the Batman will be considered else world story’s

[@henriquemurilo5890]

David Corenswet, our new Superman, thank you James Gunn

[@joeltbasham]

Now that it’s come out. What exactly did the Flash reset?

[@amastodont9680]

The Flash film explains that by changing the past he combines elements from different universes which is how Peacemaker and co are in the new universe.

[@victor2641]

​@@amastodont9680and nothing else just that.

[@laabitres]

This time they have a structured plan and directors seem to have creative freedom, love to see it

[@yol_n]

took them 10 years but we're finally there 😂

[@MrKilljay]

Zack Snyder had a structured plan too. Just saying. Hopefully this goes better than that though lol

[@yol_n]

@@MrKilljay structured plan doesn't do much if upper management doesn't let it go through

[@gavo7911]

@@MrKilljay His "structured plan" was just like 5 different Justice League vs Darkseid movies, super boring. Not to mention having a plan doesn't mean much if the general audience didn't like the movies to begin with.

[@RoshanAntonyTauro]

We need a muslim superhero

[@phillipbishop7719]

Can't wait to see what they do with Swamp Thing loved the show and I know he'll do great with the film.

[@Zhello79]

Hopefully he is not turned into a hippie with a man bun lol 😆

[@filmfanaticx4212]

I can't wait for Swamp-Thing, and I really hope John Constantine shows up, given their comic history. Would be very curious to see who they cast, and if Keanu Reeves Constantine 2 is still in development as an Elseworlds movie...

[@phillipbishop7719]

@@Zhello79 hopefully not! but I think they'll do him right.

[@phillipbishop7719]

@@filmfanaticx4212 read that Swamp Thing is supposed to appear in the new Constantine movie.

[@manuelsimeoni5517]

Listening to Gunn talking about these upcoming projects with so much entusiasm it's sick ❤🔥

[@Estebaduhon]

I come back to this video occasionally just to remind myself that James Gunn will give us the DC we’ve always wanted. I can not wait.

[@mileshill7196]

Genuinely in shock at the “authority” announcement. I am curious to see how hard they lean into its more meta elements and ultraviolence.

[@yawaramin4771]

Given how The Boys went all-in on ultraviolence, I wonder what's left to show! Maybe Midnighter kicking someone's head and spinal cord off...

[@frederikduplessis3836]

Same here

[@GlennTillema]

I had the same reaction; I thought maybe we'd see a cartoon or something but live action is beyond my wildest dreams. I'm hoping they make a better attempt at Global Frequency, too.

[@mangoturtle4257]

That's why I like Gunn, he picks the lesser known characters because "I was offered any character of choice to make a movie for, anyone would pick superman or batman, but whose will tell the story of polka dot man if I don't?" -James Gunn.

[@joshuagamer]

It should really be rated R (and Gunn has confirmed some projects will be R-rated) and should thematically resemble The Boys

[@Knowthyledge]

The fact that we’re getting an Authority project is actually unbelievable and a dream come true! Ever since the Watchmen movie I’ve wanted to see this and Planetary on the big screen. Hope Gunn does it justice!

[@nbgcash882]

You think they’ll make wacthmen in the dcu ?

[@mrmadfunny5507]

@@nbgcash882 I seriously doubt they would make another one especially after the TV show in the amazing original movie. There’s nothing really new to add or to change about the story if they really want to bring the watchmen and they could just tie in the show or the movie.

[@rumo1086]

Planetary would make a great tv show. That series and The Authority changed how I look at heroes and comics in general.

[@lilbigfan3782]

Superman and the authority is one of the good comics.

[@emanuelepolloni4002]

The Authority is going to be a very wild movie. Also I’m looking forward Apollo and Midnighter interacting with Superman and Batman

[@SirChadWilliams]

Swamp Thing should be a rated R scary flick

[@angelicaespitia7707]

Love you for this James Gunn. Hoping for the best!

[@db1777]

Still a shame Henry Cavill isn't coming back as Superman but excited to see what the future holds.

[@RamonMatos23]

Same and I don't see why they couldn't use him for this new Superman project

[@sakshamsinhax]

Warner Bros sucks they ruined dc movies

[@LDAME_editz]

@@RamonMatos23 It because it's a 8 to 10 year plan and Henry would be kinda too old to do that , that's why they are starting with a younger superman

[@omarvidal3543]

henry cavill se volvio dios

[@LDAME_editz]

@@omarvidal3543 Can you please translate it to English

[@rinzzzzie718]

Gods & Monsters Line-up sounds promising so far! Also, so glad the Blue Beetle movie is pushing thru 💙💙💙 And I'll definitely be watching Shazam 2 ❤⚡

[@claudiabcarvalho]

I'm so happy for Blue Beetle too, because a very dear actress from my country is there in a major role.

[@Silverflower351]

i hope in the future they can team with booster gold

[@Abhi-wh3ik]

New Shazam 2 trailer hyped me up. I'll be seated on March 17th.

[@manuelorozco7760]

I already planned on seeing Blue Beetle, Shazam, The Flash and Aquaman before today happened

[@whoisbenjaminblack7880]

Not hyped for Flash movie, definitely skipping that

[@donemouli220]

0:13 Chris part will be like “what ??”

[@loyalbrother5785]

Wait a minute...

[@ssabrams2564]

If james gunn can't get the DCEU thriving no one can

[@damonjyrwa952]

Super Man Legacy...ugh u can just feel the amount of love that james is putting into this

[@altey_grim]

😪😪😪 they fired Henry Cavil.

[@damonjyrwa952]

@@altey_grim a small price to pay... 😭

[@tonymata8070]

I’ll miss Cavill, but I definitely have hope that the new guy (whoever they choose) will do my favorite blue Boy Scout justice. 💙❤️

[@damonjyrwa952]

@@tonymata8070 same here.. Henry Cavill is missed... But Superman will finally be done right 🫂

[@blue1133]

@@altey_grim *"The hardest sacrifices require the strongest wills"*