Why Is It Impossible To Get Doctor Doom Right?

[@muddlewait8844]

The key to Doom is that he views every challenge as a problem to be solved and has absolute confidence that he can solve it. He is never in despair.

[@AndreNitroX]

Another thing doom has the grit to back up his ego. He can do exactly what he claims he can do.

[@nont18411]

Like Lex Luthor

[@jonathanacosta36]

@@nont18411 Well, Lex can do everything except the one thing he wants the most, which is to be Superman

[@JamTaylor69]

The BEST doom panel is the one with Zebediah Kilgrave which shows just how strong his will is

[@funnyfunnyvalentine7991]

Not always, otherwise he'd be boring. Very rarely he is willing to get help

[@alanhervert2702]

I would love to see our heroes defeating Kang only because of the help of Doom and then realizing that he’s an even bigger threat

[@devrogalyon3220]

My friends and I have said almost this exact same thing. One of the best parts of Doom's character is that he's not explicitly good or evil. He's motivated purely by self interest. Most of the time that means committing evil acts, but it also means he sometimes works with the heroes if he sees that as the best avenue to get what he wants or protect what he has.

[@alanhervert2702]

@@devrogalyon3220 We can only hope that the script reflects how morally complex the character is, I’ll for ever love Doom saving and naming Valeria, hope they do the character some deserved justice in the big screen

[@ccelite3782]

I can imagine some dialgoue like this at the end of Avengers 5 Sam Wilson: *we stopped him. Let's head back to base, so we can figure some stuff out.* Spider-Man: *(Spidey Sense goes off) guys, something isn't rig-* (Explosion of some kind) Doom: *AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA* Mr. Fantastic: *Victor...* Sue Storm: *we need to stop him now.*

[@devrogalyon3220]

@@alanhervert2702 SUCH a great moment, and just helps highlight that there is almost no point Doom won't go to screw over Reed. It's like how Doom is tested by the Celestial in the latest comics to say that Reed Richards is smarter than him and Doom (knowing the fate of Earth is at stake) laughs at the Celestial, walks away, says that passes, and the Celestial agrees with him. Give me THAT Doom MCU.

[@gonzalo6890]

maybe he finds a solution for Secret Wars, helps the avengers save their universe and Doom is seen as a hero like Tony Stark. After this he gains more political power and secretly controls the world causing more trouble and becoming more of a threat

[@bonglesnodkins329]

I always loved the idea that under his mask, Doom just had a single small scar on his face, but he was such a narcissist and perfectionist that for him it warranted his use of the metal plate.

[@KairuHakubi]

Isn't the idea that he HAD a tiny scar, that he blamed Reed for, then he put his mask on while it was still hot and it burned the hell out of his face, and then he blamed Reed for _that_ too?

[@Ajiskewl]

@@KairuHakubiThat was the original origin for doom yes but it was rectonned/changed to fit his romani decent. instead of blaming reed and being a perfectionist he felt it was a sign of weakness and the discrimination he recieved and his motives for becoming all powerful changed drasticly to be more of protection and pride not pure perfectionism and hatred for reed

[@Mr.Brothybear]

Wasn't the Metal Plate Heated up and then fused to his Face?

[@philosophicaljay3449]

Another thing that is completely abandoned when people try to adapt Doctor Doom, he is trying to save the world. He is the world's hero in his own mind. He saw many futures, and every one that he was not ruling the world had humanity wiped out while the one he saw with him ruling had humanity survive. To him, becoming the ruler of the world is a necessity in order to save humanity, and those that oppose him are literally working to doom the future of humanity. This is why he is so comfortable doing so many evil things, because he views it as a necessary evil.

[@jaishkhan7442]

Exactlyyy that's the best part about him honestly (hate how they didn't mention this in the video) Him helping the Heroes is always because when he thinks it's necessary for the world to survive

[@LordSnurdle]

Like Doctor Fate except… evil… and a ruler.

[@hahano9586]

Then WHY would he call himself fucking DOOM?! Hitler felt the exact same way I'm sure and no sane people suck his dick about it

[@philosophicaljay3449]

@@hahano9586 "Then WHY would he call himself fucking DOOM?!" Because that is his name? "Hitler felt the exact same way I'm sure and no sane people suck his dick about it" That first off, misses the point. Not saying Doom is actually a hero. Second off, is a majorly fallacious argument considering that Doom reached the conclusion by literally looking at various futures. It wasn't born out of bigotry, it was born out of pure utilitarian and strong, but (importantly, incomplete) evidence.

[@tsang3213]

Somehow Hollywood writers is too stupid to get the main charisma of a comic book character

[@PhantomBugler]

Doom refers to himself in the third person, that's the level of ego we're dealing with. The technical genius of Stark, the arcane talents of Strange, and the political swag of T'challa combined in one person. Yet it drives him crazy to see an absent-minded professor who easily discovers new dimensions and invent physics defying spacecraft in his penthouse suite get all the glory. As Doom himself would say, "Nations shall burn for this insult!"

[@pigeonoverlord9433]

The exaggerated swagger of a black politician

[@orkaydk9430]

@@pigeonoverlord9433 whatcha tryna say?

[@Carabas72]

What you're saying is that Doom is essentially a smart version of Donald Trump. Which holds up because Doom's schemes tend to fall apart because of hubris, his inability to conceive of the notion that he may be wrong or that other people may be better than him. It'd certainly one way to make the character uniquely relevant for this day and age.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

When faced with a literal god judging him, he was faced with only one test. Here is what the god had to say. "I appear to Victor von Doom and give him a simple challenge:" "Say Reed Richards is smarter than you and you will pass." "He laughs and then laughs some more, turns and leaves." "He passes himself. I concur."

[@commandercaptain4664]

His all-consuming quest for power is unrivaled in comics. The more he achieves, the more he wants, and he usually taps into such further knowledge rather easily in his ascension. Every other villain either has misguided intentions of nobility (Thanos) or is complacent with their superiority (Kang, Red Skull, Magneto), but those are never enough for Doom. He is like Internet Rule 34, but only he can be the sole supplier of said porn. He is the veritable epitome of "well that escalated". To commit to using him in a story is to relent to an evil that gets worse and never ends, which is antithetical to Disneyfilm's quest to understand and redeem everyone in eyeshot.

[@mertcangok7635]

You guys are not gonna believe this

[@vibhanshutayade]

Marvel probably saw this video and was like , "huh , doom's kinda good...let's make rdj play doom

[@UnwittingSweater]

Looking for this comment 😅.

[@naskyiswhatimcalled]

Lmao what r the chances

[@vibhanshutayade]

@@naskyiswhatimcalled one in a million

[@rangers94ism]

I can. Another studio is going to try and make the Fantastic 4 good. Lol. What a joke.

[@nogh8344]

The fact that we got a better adaptation of DOOM in music than movie is amazing

[@cavareenvius7886]

"All you need is Doom! All you need is Doom! Doom! Doom! Doom is all you neeed! Doom is all you need!"

[@scriblestingray5713]

When he on the mic you don’t go next.

[@sportyeight7769]

Just remember, all caps when you spell the man's name.

[@darthblace]

A rather ugly brother with flows that's gorgeous... Goated comment @nogh

[@albertthepeacock8020]

We need Dr.Doom to spam Foot Dive and Hard Hit in live action

[@Dyiad]

I remember once reading a thing about how battles with Doom can go one of three ways. 1: If he's fighting against heroes, he loses, but in such a way that furthers his goals and either teaches the heroes a lesson or leaves them feeling hollow. 2: If he's fighting another villain, he wins, hands down. That's Doom's whole thing. 3: If he's fighting Squirrel Girl, he gets his ass beat, no two ways about it.

[@Duothimir]

Doom does not fight Squirrel Girl. Doom avoids her like the plague.

[@waff6ix]

IVE NEVER READ THE COMICS BUT I HEARD SQUIRREL GIRL IS REAL DEAL OP😳LIKE TAKE DOWN DOOM & THANOS BY HERSELF TYPE OP😳

[@pewpewpew7824]

@@waff6ix its more that her name is taken literally. “The unbeatable squirrel girl”

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

​@@waff6ix wait wtf

[@agsdragon5475]

It would be nice to see a hero completely defeating doom or redeeming in a complete way, but comic book status quo is a bitch doom has both magic and science and a whole nation but at the very least writers must make a threat in which it make sense for him to be defeated completely a hero must win every time a villain needs to win once

[@jacksonlittle282]

Well the title certainly aged well

[@closeben]

can’t pass judgement on that until 2026.

[@filosavage7475]

No matter how good an actor is they can't save a bad script

[@maxiguidetti7228]

@@closeben We can pass judgement on their casting choice and the effect it's having on how the greater audience percieves Doom: It's a terrible choice that screams desperation on part of the studio, and much like with Spider-Man, will now prevent the character from standing on his own two legs when he otherwise very well could and *should*. The fact that both Doom and Spidey have now BOTH been tied down to freaking Iron Man only adds insult.

[@yummyherbicide7296]

It certainly did, bringing back RDJ is just Disney desperately flailing to get people back on their slop train

[@josht5453]

@@maxiguidetti7228no, we cant because we do not know how they are utilizing it. For all we know RDJ is a subversion and wont be main the main doom. Or he will be so modified in voice and appearance via method acting (like bale, depp, or ledger). Chill the fuck out until you see it

[@TechfulThinking]

To me, the fact that Doom was sent back to the beginning of time to relive all of existence elevates him to the level of a genius demigod. I think that Hollywood is unaware of how to portray such a massive presence without being accused of “Doom worship”

[@calebtheowl1516]

They should worship Doom

[@TechfulThinking]

@@calebtheowl1516 That’s how we ended up with ‘Love & Thunder’ 😬

[@noelbright7573]

@@calebtheowl1516 I came to say the exact same thing lmao

[@Xrayhighs]

They tried to capture this concept in Apokalypse and maybe dr Manhattan. I think that its possible to present such characters, but in a villain centered movie like infinity war. I just hope that we find a darker, or serious tone and tackle some difficult topics. Dr Doom takes this serious, so shall we.

[@TechfulThinking]

@@Xrayhighs The problem is that a lot happened before Doom was thrown back to the beginning. Personally, I don’t think they’ll even touch that storyline, but they’ll give us some watered-down portrayal like they did with the Mandarin. Such a waste of an iconic presence in the comics

[@thefoxesmind]

I feel like the problem is two-fold. The unwillingness to commit to comic book logic and the unwillingness to make the villain strong enough that they actually have to figure out how the heroes will stop them.

[@hjones4922]

But that's the thing. Doom is trapped by comic book logic. He can only work in comic books (and even then...) He just doesn't work on screen. The look and backstory are just too silly

[@mikaelm5367]

Dude if they can make people cry over a CGI barely verbal tree they can do a classic megalomaniacal supervillain

[@drakegrandx5914]

@@hjones4922 That doesn't make any sense. Doctor Doom of all people is too silly but the Guardians of the Galaxy or Thor or Dr. Strange aren't?

[@hjones4922]

@@drakegrandx5914 they had to make Thor and the Guardians funny for them to work. Not sure that works for a villain. Dr Strange is an interesting one, but he’s second-rank MCU-wise I’d say.

[@tedenjoyer47]

@@hjones4922 if it works for a hero it works for a villian what kinda logic are you using?

[@hiianimate1525]

boy oh boy I can’t wait to get a tony stark variant instead of the character we’ve been waiting for for years

[@PhantomGato-v-]

I really hope they don't do my boy dirty but I don't have high hopes...

[@CobbleBompster]

@@PhantomGato-v-they will. He’ll have like 3 scenes with his mask on, then it’ll be off for the rest. This completely contradicts Doom.

[@salesmon7871]

@@CobbleBompsteri really hope not bro bc he literally doesnt wanna take it off because of his scar

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

@@salesmon7871 They are not gonna take him serious he gonna make one liner jokes and the heroes are gonna make joke about how dumb his name is

[@DoctorLazers]

I'm predicting a bait and switch of some kind. Marvel has to know that fans want Victor Von Doom, King of Latveria. Not evil Iron Man. Evil Iron Man would be fun! But we need Doom.

[@lunch_bots]

All I want for his MCU adaptation is for his theme to be an ALL CAPS rendition.

[@mrgreytea2598]

YES

[@commandercaptain4664]

BEEF RAP FTW.

[@Shazam-rp7id]

Sometimes he rhyme quick, sometimes he rhyme slow

[@TheOutlawed1000]

The opening theme to Fantastic 4 should be Accordion or something.

[@RandomAmbles]

The best voiced rendition of the character.

[@quadrodopollock]

The thing I love the most about Doom is that he does the unthinkable, the one thing villains don't do: He wins. He is the most dangerous person on earth and everybody knows exactly where he is, they just can't get him. Which is awesome.

[@Spacebattler]

Temporarily. A lot of villains pull off temporary wins. Then the heroes get their second wind and turn the tables.

[@publiusventidiusbassus1232]

@@Spacebattler Doom always wins

[@Spacebattler]

@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 except when he doesn't

[@I-speak-U-shut-it]

​​@@Spacebattlerthere is no doesn't. It is always wins. Doom always wins😊

[@Spacebattler]

@@I-speak-U-shut-it Squirrel Girl says hi.

[@Nalpa]

KZbin’s timing is impeccable

[@GetAwayFroMe]

It’s an algorithm, not an accident lol. It knows what you want to watch 👀 It’s creepy and pretty cool at the same time

[@Waynechandler-x1d]

Duh

[@The_lord_of_ultramar]

So real

[@chuckontal9962]

The perfect short story that shows you who doom is is when Reed was unavailable to help Sue when she was delivering Valeria (after a very complicated backstory) and Johnny called Dr doom to help. He then proceeds to use all his intelligence and magic to deliver the baby successfully, claims naming rights to her and names her after a lost love, swears that she is now under the protection of Dr doom, becomes her godfather, and secretly makes her his familiar. What a guy.

[@danello9091]

Honestly he probably would've been fine just knowing he was there where Reed couldn't

[@chuckontal9962]

@@danello9091 if I remember correctly he absolutely pointed that out haha

[@matthewschwartz6607]

Yeah, during the Unthinkable arc.

[@vibes_4225]

god he's such a great character

[@reignman4]

@@danello9091a hater to the end.

[@hattoripool1533]

Why do other adaptations barely include both the mysticism and Tech side of Doom because normally many adaptations always include just the tech side

[@chomama1012]

I think it's because mysticism is very hard to sell to a mass audience. Comparing MCU Doctor Strange to his comic book counterpart, you realize just how insanely watered down he is. These characters are so unbelievably powerful, and their powers are so unbelievably abstract in nature, it's difficult to put that individual in a medium like movies and sell that to millions of people.

[@ironmaster6496]

@@chomama1012 which is honestly really sad, each character has its own unique tone and personality but the MCU manages to make thek all look like the exact same movie with the exact same tone and jokes

[@Wico90YT]

We'll see how they do the Hood in Ironheart. If they get him, Doom should work well.

[@kyerenilrem6947]

I think it's mainly because live action wise they introduce him and the fan four at the same time since they're trying to focus mostly on the fan four getting they're power they choose to focus solely on dooms science based power to not overly dilute the narrative by doing too much of his back story of show a completely different power system of magic

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

I mean if theyre doing origin story for him, in the comics, doom didnt start with his magic powers. He made a deal with a demon so that he received all the magic knowledge he wouldve gotten if hed spent his life studying magic instead of science. If it's not established he's spent decades on science, his magic means nothing

[@RonanJellyfish]

It’s funny, because the most faithful adaptation to Dr. Doom is MF DOOM, rest in peace

[@The_lord_of_ultramar]

😭

[@HollywoodJBlaq]

The thing with Doom is that any story told about him can't be contained by just one movie. You'll have to go full Avengers Saga style with his storytelling.

[@calebray1834]

Right, Doom can’t just be a one and done villain he has to live on for a while.

[@an-animal-lover]

@@calebray1834 yeah, but isn't that what the MCU did with Thanos (kind of?) So if they were to tackle him now and take that approach, it could work

[@publiusventidiusbassus1232]

@@an-animal-lover The MCU had to vastly change Thanos' motivation. The original comic book was kind of ridiculous and would've been laughable for modern audiences, Doom is a character that already has an incredibly powerful and compelling narrative, they just can't seem to get him right at all.

[@an-animal-lover]

@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 I didn't mention his motivation. I was talking about what calebray said about Doom not being a one off villain, pointing out that they'd done that with Thanos and could do it again. Neither comment discussed character motivation, that's a separate issue

[@I-speak-U-shut-it]

​@@an-animal-loverEndgame sucks with Thanos 😂

[@jamesreed620]

He needs a whole movie as an origin story. Imagine, introducing the Fantastic 4 in a Dr Doom movie.

[@shado7418]

Minus the F4, that's a great idea

[@davidwuhrer6704]

One film won't be enough.

[@uzii6540]

@@davidwuhrer6704 one film would def be enough for him to get introduced

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

Yes

[@davidwuhrer6704]

@@uzii6540 Technically yes. You can introduce anyone as a background character with no need for backstory. But that won't tell you much about that character other than that he exists. Dr Stange needed a whole film to explain who he is and how he got the job of Sorcerer Supreme, and what that job even is. Dr Doom is a more complex character. Like Strange, he started out as an accomplished surgeon. (I say "started out", but nobody is born a surgeon; the TV series _Scrubs_ showed how that is a journey in itself.) Like Strange, he began dabbling with magic, but for completely different reasons and in different ways. That by itself is a whole story in itself, and that's still far from the iconic Dr Doom. He also went into politics, becoming a successful and popular head of state (or planet, depending on continuity; in the comics it has always been a planet, and Doom is basically their actual, living, reigning Jesus). And that still ignores the one thing casual readers or watchers of the animated shows are most aware of: Dr Richards hatred for him. (Although Richards has more to worry about with Namor, Galactus, the Krull, and the Living Tribunal. Or even just fellow inventor Tony Stark, whom Dr Pym doesn't even take seriously. (Everyone always seems to forget that Professor Dr Banner is actually the smartest and most accomplished of the lot, apart from Dr Doom, ignoring how Spiderman's physics professor saved the universe 616 from the Quantum Mechanic that one time because nobody else would have been able to even understand the threat.)) I mean you could just drop the fully fleshed character in there and develop the backstory in flashbacks and references. It worked for Thanos, but Thanos is a rather inconsequential character by comparison, and his MCU version was still just a fraction of what had been established in the comics. (For example, his rivalry with Deadpool for the attention of Lady Death was missing entirely.)

[@dynamoshmynamo]

If marvel doesn't put MF DOOM's music (specifically his song "doomsday") into the Avengers Doomsday movie, I'm gonna flip.

[@felixmalmenbeck9768]

I don't think anything can save this movie. Not even Doom music.

[@dynamoshmynamo]

@@felixmalmenbeck9768 Yeah, with RDJ playing Doom, I think it'll flop.

[@filosavage7475]

​@@dynamoshmynamoyeah he's such a horrible actor isn't he? His performance as Iron Man was just soooo dull that it led to so many sucessful movies onwards after Iron Man 1...

[@dynamoshmynamo]

@@filosavage7475 The problem is he's already played a character in the mcu, so either he'll be a doom variant, or something weird like that. It just wont work well.

[@galaxycamerata]

I just underwent the fucking flashback that the critic from Ratatouille had hearing that phrase. Masterful work

[@20quid]

The issue with Dr Doom in film is that he always plays the antagonist in the Fantstic 4's origin story, and as such his own origin story gets glossed over. I think origin stories have been done to death in superhero cinema but movies like Joker or Venom show that people still warmly receive an origin story if it has a unique spin on it. So I think for Doom's introduction into the MCU they should flip the script. Instead of making him the antagonist in a Fantastic 4 movie, make the Fantastic 4 the antagonists to a fully fleshed-out Doom origin movie.

[@calebray1834]

A movie about someone not becoming a superhero but a supervillain instead.

[@georgemeyers7172]

That could work. And it sounds unique to work as well. Maybe. Problem is that Marvel's Track Record recently sucks ass.

[@glenwaldrop8166]

I can see it where Doom and Richards are competing, Richards wins but is a little less than honorable in how he does it, nothing terrible but questionable, maybe a situation where there was no good solution, you just have to choose between several bad solutions.

[@DeterminedGoat]

Bingo, except the F4 can just be side characters. I think the final act would be fighting Mephisto in hell.

[@file_boi020]

That actually sounds like a good idea.

[@blyat8832]

I think the thing is, from what I could gather sure he is very technologically advanced, but he's also very powerful with magic and sorcery, rivaling doctor strange in that department. It's these two combined with his very high intellect that actually almost rivals Stark and Mr Fantastic that makes him such a deadly villain. Combine that with his cruelness and cunning, and it's no wonder how he eventually became a god in the comics. Doubt we'll ever see this version of doom, but it's still one of the reasons why he became such a big and beloved villain for so long

[@thewanderingkirby8524]

Well said we need that balance of his persona in a live adaptation that makes him Dr.Doom

[@srstriker6420]

And I thought that Mordo is Dr Strange’s rival.

[@atlas_vash]

​@@srstriker6420 mordo wishes

[@Wookien]

@@atlas_vash He's like an evil Batman

[@echo_z319]

literally setting up his suit in BP2 with vibranium and having some tie in to armor wars/thunderbolts but K

[@Siegfriedneo]

KZbin recommendations certainly has a good sense of humor

[@thesentinel5523]

Dr. doom is the shadow of Tony Stark. He’s Iron Man without selflessness. Therefore, you need to cast an actor with charisma who can carry the MCU as a villain through multiple projects like Robert Downey, Jr. was able to do as Iron Man. This is probably the most important part that marvel needs to get right.

[@thewanderingkirby8524]

I feel he's always compared to Stark he's a combination of Dr.Strange as the sorcerer supreme and the superior iron man when it comes to magic and technology.

[@beauxr.benoit1374]

I was going to say for the same reason they can't the Fantastic Four right. I think you need to have some input in the making of the movies for this.

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

Also said actor has to commit to keep the damn mask on, not taking it off, Doom never takes his mask off. Or if whoever gets cast doesn't want that, then he'll do the voice dub and be Doom in flashbacks whereas some stunt double gets the hard work of being in the suit and wearing the mask all the time.

[@ItsTheDon27]

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 no suit double. That’s baloney. But that reminds me of dredd. He keep the helmet on the whole time. Major props to him. Who would you cast for doom ?

[@srstriker6420]

I thought that Norman Osborn is the shadow of Tony Stark

[@RoseKB22]

To portray Dr Doom accurately, an actor who can pull off the dramatic old time theatrics of Doom is needed. Someone with a deeper (baritone) voice, someone willing to swirl the cloak dramatically. Doom is the sort to have 5 escape routes at all times, the sort with 10 backup plans at all times. Even Wolverine has a rough time with Doom.

[@Carabas72]

Why wouldn't Wolverine have a hard time with a villain who has mastered the ability to... just fly out of claws' reach and shoot? Besides, the infinte backup plans was annoying when Batman did it (and everybody made fun of the characer for it) but at least Batman is interesting.

[@thebigguy270]

Ralph Fiennes' performance as Voldemort makes him my candidate for Dr Doom in the MCU. But since he's not Roma, well...

[@EchoMirage72]

Unfortunately Christopher Lee is dead :(

[@Zombiewithabowtie]

Never mind Wolverine, in the comics Thanos keeps active tabs on Doom because he views him as a likely threat.

[@marckempe2143]

Julian McMahon actually portrayed the character perfectly, but he wasn’t given the right backstory. He had the presence, he certainly demonstrated that he could portray the ego, and he showed the narcissistic qualities.

[@pijushsarkar2039]

The title aged so well.

[@JonathanBradysouth-africa]

Agreed.

[@iancain7844]

Let’s wait! We don’t know what’s going to happen.

[@zKenaboss]

Only if they do Doctor Doom correctly

[@VenusMari-jx9sm]

Will see bout that 😂

[@echo_z319]

bro thinks he can see the future

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

The problem is they kept shoehorning him into the films, giving him the same origin as the Fantastic four. They should've just had be already set up as Doom and ruler of Latveria, and instead have the F4 fight a monster/alien. Doom either needs his own movie, or there needs to be F4 movie that explores his background, as well as his relationship with Reed Richards.

[@AndreNitroX]

Well said. Forget origin stories, have the FF and Doom already established and just explore their lives through flashbacks or good dialogue

[@ROMANTIKILLER2]

I would even say that an origin story movie with Doom as main protagonist may be much more interesting than anything attempted so far. However, the risk is that writers and producers would then make him too much of a good-guy or anti-hero at best, which is not what Dr. Doom really is.

[@targetdreamer257]

Yes EXACTLY! Stand alone Dr. Doom movie! A straight up villain origin story. Just use some throw away hero and in the end it’s not the “hero” that saves the day but Doom’s own EGO that gives the “happy” ending the the general public insists upon.

[@KuroiHoshiV]

They can easily make his way to Latveria from the Sokovia incident, rebuilding the greatest failure of earth's mightiest heroes into one of the most influential, powerful and notable countries of earth in just a couple of years would show Doom's political and strategic capabilities really quickly.

[@theendersmirk5851]

@@targetdreamer257 or, another alternative is to write a story showing how *he* thinks of himself as a hero, even if he would be the only one. In mainline comics, it is a thing that Doom managed to travel to both the past and future, and while checking possible futures, he found his rule to be imperative for anything resembling a good future for humanity. Essentially, his every villainous act comes from both his ego, and his knowledge that this is something he *has* to do for everyone else. He is trying his hardest to match what that future's version of him did so that he can save the planet, but what that version did to get there was fundamentally immoral. That isn't how they write him now (beyond the saw his future bit being a thing) but if you want to do something like Thanos with him, that's how you'd want to go about it.

[@jimkirk4357]

It's not impossible, just very unlikely. Victor Von Doom is a multi dimensional character, fleshed out over decades in the comics. He's not just a one trick pony who's easily portrayed in a movie. He's not a shallow villain but a complex man with grand aspirations and even grander abilities. He's the hero of HIS story, ruler of his country and even loved by his people. In short, he deserves his OWN movie.

[@alexkoronec4326]

Unfortunately, this won't happen. Because they would actually have to contact the kirby kids! And realize that you would have to get the rights to use their father's work on how to portray Dr Doom. This couldn't be in one movie. As even though his comic books story. It took decades.

[@clovernacknime6984]

@@alexkoronec4326 Actually, why not? Doom's origin story is him going from a poor child of a persecuted minority who loses both of his parents to said persecution to taking the throne from his enemy, while losing a lot of his humanity along the way. That sounds like an excellent movie plot all on its own.

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@clovernacknime6984 Doom could've been written by Shakespeare.

[@zzodysseuszz]

Except he’s literally all of those things. I’m rereading old comics from the 70’s and it’s amazing how identical he is to doctor doom as we know him today. He’s been unchanging for decades and he’s always been a one dimensional moustache twirling evil that selfishly wants to rule the world because “no one deserves it more than me”

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@zzodysseuszz Doom is almost god - like, Lex Luthor would love to be a god among mortals, but that position was taken by a guy from Krypton.

[@KoBxElucidator]

And they made him into an Iron Man variant. It gets worse.

[@WL1264]

That doesn't make it bad.

[@Cund]

No they didn't, they confirmed RDJ is playing Viktor Von Doom from another universe.

[@CobbleBompster]

@@WL1264it does.

[@phothewin6019]

​@@CobbleBompster No, it doesn't.

[@snatchr2451]

@@Cund Variants can have different names. They didn't hire RDJ to hide him behind a mask or not capitalize on all the avengers knowing his face, be real.

[@Facade953]

I actually liked Julian McMahon's presence, costume and performance as Doctor Doom. In the audition, he used a heavy Eastern European accent but the director told him not to use it because the American audience might had trouble understanding him.

[@I-speak-U-shut-it]

WTF 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Marvel cast Elizabeth Olsen in Ultron with a European accent and I understood her perfectly so WTF But what do we expect from a guy who directed that trash Tom and Jerry 2021 movie

[@Facade953]

@@I-speak-U-shut-it Julian portrayed Doctor Doom in a Robot Chicken parody in which Michael Chiklis had been teleport swapped with The Thing from the FOX films and he sounded EXACTLY like Doctor Doom from the comics. His voice was even similar to the one from the Fantastic Four TAS and the Secret Wars adaptation of Spider-Man TAS. The way i see it, the blame falls on the director and the script writer (s) of the 2005 and 2007 movies.

[@biocapsule7311]

I always consider him a great casting because the 2 role he is most known for and 2 roles years after the films all contain aspects of Doom like villains in them. Cole Turner from Charmed, Christian Troy from Nip/Tuck, Jonah from Runaways, Zackariah Webb from Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (I particularly like the first and last). Zackariah Webb is basically a homage to Doom. He definitely can do Doom justice if they ever give him the material.

[@Facade953]

@@biocapsule7311 He was really awesome as Cole Turner in Charmed and Christian Troy in Nip Tuck. Villainous and anti-heroic characters are his specialty but this is also a " double edged sword " because it can lead to type casting.

[@MrMojoman1976]

Being a Nip/Tuck fan, I was 💯 convinced McMahan’s casting would work. The writing killed the character.

[@gangofheroes]

I honestly believe the best way to introduce Dr. Doom into the MCU is with his own solo film, he is one of the few villain that this could be done without much of the hero/es he is connected to being involved in it, they could adapt Books of Doom for it.

[@rileyribble6733]

Books of Doom is literally perfectly structured to adapt into a series format. I really hope they end up doing something

[@Lunk42]

Yeah but they wouldn't and if they did he couldn't be a villain he'd be turned into an anti hero or something.

[@marinenico1993]

@@Lunk42 Doom in the comics isn't really evil, he has a reason for everything he does, most of it, is for his country, Books of doom shows this very well.

[@brago900]

@@Lunk42 The best character to compare Dr. Doom would be Ozymandias, a hero who comes to the conclusion that the most efficient way to save humanity is to be the villain. Doom is the same just being the villain seems to him the most efficient way to get things done. He is also the first in the line of fire when it comes to defending the planet from any threat. However, there is no doubt that he needs urgent psychological therapy.

[@ogfortify7674]

RDJ: hold my helmet

[@jaibruh]

Proving they'll never get it right by reducing him to some evil Tony variant.

[@ogfortify7674]

@@jaibruh movies not even out yet smh

[@OdysseySarma]

You can remember there is versions of doom standing near by robert downey jr

[@LyGon-pw5mt]

@@ogfortify7674Doesn’t matter, its the MCU, they’ll fuck it up like they did Ultron.

[@carronline1]

when the mcu do doctor doom, i just hope they did for thanos and actually build him up over a few movies and not just a single movie villain, he needs the build up to get his character done right

[@guillermoelnino]

Theyll make him a g ay.

[@albertthepeacock8020]

We all know they'll make Doom do dabs and play Fortnite

[@krizthecookingbeaner2567]

@@guillermoelnino and black and trans

[@guillermoelnino]

@@krizthecookingbeaner2567 for "representstion"

[@nmhjjp]

@@guillermoelnino i mean, i hope they just make him black and a rapper, like the best rapper.

[@MrSongsword]

I love the dichotomy Dr. Doom makes with the Fantastic Four with his motivation. Particularly in one storyline, it's presented as the Four saving the world of today, while Dr. Doom is working to save the world of the future.

[@evongulati3287]

who came here after seeing RDJ is casted as the role of Victor Von Doom!!

[@ticklemetimmy8254]

not me. i came here cause of...DOOM! MF DOOM!

[@samuelmackenzie5267]

If we’re getting a black Adam movie, and have gotten 2 venom movies (which I enjoy); doom certainly deserves his own movie. Their is so much material to choose from in the comics.

[@Calekoflight]

He's definitely a character worthy of his own movie, far more than Black Adam, but he's one of those characters that also doesn't...he doesn't work without being the foil to all these other great characters.

[@samuelmackenzie5267]

@@Calekoflight You could say the same thing about black adam. But he's getting his own movie way before he shazam (if he ever does).

[@AndreNitroX]

His origin and his coup of latveria is a masterpiece film waiting to happen

[@TheNick1536]

Book of Doom is right there waiting for someone to adapt it

[@AndreNitroX]

@@TheNick1536 exactly right

[@MFSHARTY]

My main problem now is that I want the live action doom to sound like the late MF DOOM🕊️

[@jiovanysoltero923]

I ever since I listened to MF, growing up I always wanted Doom to be Charming , charismatic, Ruthless , Zenfull and a straight up G

[@michaelraymon111]

@@jiovanysoltero923 Dr doom is not a straight up G. He is a loser villain who loses all the time. Stop glorifying villains

[@MFSHARTY]

@@michaelraymon111 were talking about MF DOOM, not Dr. Doom. Go crawl back under your rock.

[@Shlogger]

@@michaelraymon111 be quiet

[@orster2076]

@@michaelraymon111 nerd

[@elsatira]

Finger's crossed on Disney/Marvel and RDJ on doing a really good job portraying Dr. Doom, Doom's aura is unmatched, he's so easily recognizable, feels and looks powerful, has a heck of a background story, beyond-morals motivation, a will that literally led him to be a god, easily the best comic-book villian of all times, hell, maybe the most iconic comic-book character all in all, when you see Dr. Doom you know things are gonna get chaotic, but damn interesting.

[@jizaod88]

One of the main issues in movie, is that it suffers from Sam Raimi's Spider-man-villainitis: the nemesis has to be deeply intrinsic to the heroes origin so as to be a dark reflection... That does exist in the comics and can be great, but the thing with Doom, is that he is not defined by his relation-ship to the Fantastic Four, he is so much more than that. Villains can exist without the need of being defined by their relationship with a hero, they can be full-fletched persons with complex motivations that changes day-to-day, as it does for any of human being. Defining people only by their relationship to us (or the heroes in this case) reduces people and characters to very simple imitation, when they can be so much more, once you realize their internal complexities

[@AndreNitroX]

Well said, while infamous for being the nemesis of the FF. Doom has proven to be a threat to every hero and villain in the marvel universe. He can be anyones villain if they look at him wrong.

[@boshwa20]

Medical conditions with the -itis term are for inflammation

[@jizaod88]

True, I used it as a figure of speech for a "mallady" that affected in my eyes the Raimi trilogy. But if we want to go medical, I'm aware that any -itis is a symptom, not the sickness, so there is always the case that the underliying condition can be figure out.

[@sadchild9478]

Waiting for the raimi fan boys to get upset cuz you made a valid criticism and they don’t like that

[@Hillthugsta]

​@@sadchild9478 Not from me. That was the kind of BS that ruined Sandman for me.

[@1dcondave]

I think part of the challenge in trying to adapt Doom to the big screen is in giving him everything that Doom is as a character, but doing so in a way that doesn't feel like a rip-off of the movie villain Doom most closely resembles: Darth Vader. Larger than life, scarred and encased in an armored prison being a Death's Head metal faceplate, cloaked in darkness, master of both magic and science, a merciless dread overlord... Doom and Vader are nearly twins. And until someone can figure out how to solve this conundrum, they will fail to write Doom properly...

[@VunderGuy]

Wrong. Darth Vader looks like a rip-off of Doctor Doom.

[@HB-fq9nn]

@@VunderGuy Neither are rip-offs. Both just have a similar villain style.

[@1dcondave]

@VunderGuy I get what you're saying, since Doom has been around longer by close to twenty years. But Doom has never really made it further the comics and a few Saturday morning cartoons as far as impact on pop culture, while Star Wars has practically become America's religion. All three movie versions of Doom were terrible, sadly, and didn't move the needle at all in terms of cultural effect. Vader, on the other hand, ranks with Dracula, Faust, and Macbeth as all-time tragic villains.

[@akiraeatsguitarpicks491]

Doom doesn’t resemble Vader, it’s Vader that ripped off Doom

[@Serryy]

Doom wants to rule the world because hes the one who can save it. Leaning into that makes him vastly different than Vader already. Besides, Vader is in all-black. Doom is in green-grey.

[@expertwind1205]

POV: You watch this video just a few days after the reveal that RDJ is gonna play Doctor Doom

[@critfrog]

Personally I think the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon is one of the few adaptions I've seen that have done Doom any justice. I think he's probably the only thing that could get me back into watching mcu movies, if they get him right.

[@AndreNitroX]

Couldn’t agree more, the EMH did him perfectly, that’s what I want in a live action portrayal.

[@Tzgrey77]

There are parts where he was like I don't want to deal with your drama get out of my country

[@Nickpetronio]

Oh man I feel the same way. I’ve become kind of disinterested in the MCU after Endgame. And Spider-Man is my favorite super hero! But Marvel just hasn’t done well to me. They’re too concerned about pushing other agendas in their movies now as opposed to telling great marvel stories. Doom is the only thing I’m really waiting for.

[@AndreNitroX]

@@Nickpetronio agreed

[@shortie9103]

RIP MF Doom

[@afthefragile]

ALL CAPS!

[@shortie9103]

Respectfully, RIP MF DOOM

[@commandercaptain4664]

MCU Doom needs "Beef Rap" as his theme with Johnny Douglas music in it. I would effing lose it!

[@inkchariot6147]

MM FOOD

[@Weir.721]

Was wondering when I'd see a fellow DOOM fan

[@warclown11]

And here we are a year later and RDJ has been casted as Victor Van Doom. Let’s see how he does when we see him on the big screen😆😆

[@Aaron-zt5ee]

I’m kinda nervous about that. I don’t like Doom being overshadowed by stunt casting or turned into an evil Iron Man.

[@iancain7844]

@@Aaron-zt5ee It could still be Victor Von doom. They haven’t even said this version is Tony in the first place.

[@Aaron-zt5ee]

@@iancain7844 they said it’s Victor Von Doom. When I say “evil Iron Man”, it’s not literal.

[@MH-sg8rn]

⁠@@Aaron-zt5eeI think if he is behind the mask for most if not all of the film it should be okay, assuming the movie is good enough to make audiences look past “wait that’s iron man”

[@Aaron-zt5ee]

@@MH-sg8rn with RDJ so engrained in the MCU franchise, it’d be impossible not to see Iron Man.

[@r.h.6249]

i think what we need in MCU is a Doctor Doom movie...that will be the only way to explore his entire backstory and motivations and learn more about him and make the audience love him

[@milkiassamuel780]

I agree, I think Doom is such a fascinating character with a great origin story thaat really tells why he is who he is and truly give time to flessh out his character in a rich, almost Shakespearean story.

[@ItsTheDon27]

@Nicholas they’ll just make him an anti hero-_- instead of him not giving a damn

[@animationfanatic2133]

That sounds much more enjoyable than another fantastic bore moviee

[@zemox2534]

@@animationfanatic2133 Do not fucking insult the Four. Not their fault studios keep fucking them up.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

No. What we need is let it end and focus on independent creators. Disney won't make quality stories anymore.

[@JamesSerapio]

Doom needs to be fleshed out in a television mini-series before he's the villain in a film, in a similar way they did for the Scarlet Witch in WandaVision.

[@biggareid]

Baron Zemo in the MCU movies is the closest person I've seen who shares similar traits or characteristics to Dr. Doom. His character in Falcon & Winter soldier reminds me of Doctor doom so much; even his regal background and accent were spot on.

[@chrisblanc663]

I’ve always thought of Doom as the talented older brother of the fantastic 4, whose way was complicated by his flaws. Those flaws being essentially his strengths taken to excess. It’s also a warning that any of the f4 could turn out like him if they somehow distance themselves from each other.

[@brago900]

The Maker

[@DrSnipe83]

I wish they tied it to Sokovia being lifted in the age of ultron. Like him looking to the U.N. for assistance and getting nothing. So he just declares war.

[@bobjohnson1633]

Doom? Seek assistance? If Lord Doom heard such insolence, he'd have you executed.

[@DrSnipe83]

@@bobjohnson1633 there are comics where he's being a diplomat. Flying to the U.N.

[@fluidthought42]

@@DrSnipe83 Yeah, it's how he's never arrested, because of his diplomatic immunity

[@DrSnipe83]

@Mr. Seemingly Expected I love it. If he wants to be a shit he can do it. If they played him up as an arrogant dictator. I'd be down better than the previous iterations. He would just demand that the U.N. fix the refugees in Latveria and when they turn him down he just goes to war.

[@Joker3180Z]

1 year later: Absolute Doom

[@scrungybungingi5171]

I've always thought that Doom would work best as a recurring villain in a serialised tv show. Given his history, it would make most sense to have him be in a Fantastic Four Tv series.

[@tristantristancraped]

See man this is why I love ur channel. I’m not someone who loves super hero movies. But I grew up on watching Fantastic Four VHS tapes man and it always was so nostalgic for me ever since. Naturally, it drew me towards MF DOOM aswell. Thank you for always delivering Nerdstalgic.

[@Nerdstalgic]

Appreciate this, thanks!

[@quid435]

Ironically I think it's more difficult to get him right while also writing a good story while focusing enough on the protagonists rather than himself. Also difficult to convincingly write him losing

[@chaospoet]

Dr. Doom is the embodiment of the Nietzschean ideal of Will To Power and the definition of Indominable. In many ways he's ironically the greatest super hero in terms of his traits. My personal favorite example is the original Secret Wars when he's being literally torn apart by the Beyonder after being completely defeated, no armor, and totally naked, but he still won't give up, and because he refused to accept defeat, even in such a destroyed state, he finds a way to win! That is Dr. Doom. That's like Tony Stark beating Thanos with all the Infinity Stones with none of his technology or friends to help. Dr. Doom can accomplish the impossible. The problem is his ego and madness of knowing 100 percent for a fact that his mother IS burning in Hell. He's motivated by love and wanting to save his mother that he goes to extreme degrees and doesn't care about the consequences of his actions. The means serve the ends. The Fantastic 4 basically hold a mirror up to Dr. Doom and makes him realize, despite what he may otherwise believe, that his worst scars aren't on his body but in his soul and heart and he hates knowing some part of him is weak. He can wear armor to protect his body. He can use his mind to outsmart people. He can use magic to go toe-to-toe with people like Dr. Strange. However nothing can protect him from the hole in his heart and all the power and self-aggrandizement is an addiction to try to fill that hole. He hates being reminded of that. The tragedy of Dr. Doom is if not for that one weakness that perverts all he tries to do he would be the greatest super hero of all time. But, you know, I guess making him a giant doofus and using an actor teenage girls and middle aged wine aunts have on their bedroom walls or office cubicles works too!

[@КсенияКорягина-й1э]

But his mother's soul was really burning in hell. And Strange eventually helped save her.

[@kbjdesign]

what if, hear me out, he was ALSO iron man?

[@MrBiggles53]

After watching Raul Julia play M. Bison in Streetfighter, I thought if, given a worthy script, he could have successfully pulled off an excellent Dr. Doom character.

[@an-animal-lover]

May he rest in peace

[@jvharbin8337]

R.I.P. Raul Julia

[@LabTech41]

Yeah, but the problem is that any actor who'd play Doom would have to go the Karl Urban route from Dredd; because Doom almost never takes his mask off, so they'd have to be willing to take that ego hit for the sake of canon, AND be able to carry themselves almost entirely on their voice and what tiny inflections you can get around the eyes.

[@dikkie1000]

@@LabTech41 So it's Hugo Weaving then? Proved himself as Mr. Smith and as V in V for Vendetta to be very competent as a bad guy and someone who can work with a mask.

[@LabTech41]

@@dikkie1000 It's been a minute since I thought about Weaving, but now that I'm thinking about it, I believe you've hit the nail precisely on the head. He's got the kind of voice that would work, he's obviously an accomplished actor, he did great inflection work with V, and he's played both heroes and villains, so he'd be great to play someone who operates in a grey area between. I just hope whatever execs are doing the vetting don't screw this up again. Doom is Machiavelli, not Snidely Whiplash.

[@arsenalsaurav3]

‘New mask, same task’ -RDJ BACK TO REBOOT MCU

[@marloncifuentes5112]

MF DOOM better be playing when he gets introduced

[@buket1472]

That's, not an option.

[@tc_bottomtext]

@@buket1472 L take tbh

[@Predatorcollector]

@@tc_bottomtext Doctor Doom was created before mf doom was even a THOUGHT

[@scottmorrisonshathimself]

@@Predatorcollector of course he was how does that have anything to do with him being in the movie soundtrack

[@CANProductionZz]

@@Predatorcollectorall caps fucko

[@E-Brightvoid]

Doctor Doom is an opera villain with a death ray. I fucking LOVE HIM

[@Conner_A]

Doom is just the guy who grinded and maxed out all his stats

[@GreatPudding]

fr 😭

[@shooflies]

I always like Dr doom. He was a villain that was as likely to help you as kill you and sometimes did some surprisingly humane things that still managed to fit his character

[@johnnygoodman2003]

"He studies with Tibetan monks to be as dark warlock" .... What? Is that really the comic book history of Dr Doom. No wonder the movies tried to change his back story. That is really awful presenting Tibetan culture like it's some kind of evil cult. I hope the fantastic 4 and Dr Doom never come back.

[@shooflies]

@@johnnygoodman2003 ok

[@g-fanmax1838]

​@@shooflies found the social justice warrior in the comment section lol

[@shooflies]

@@g-fanmax1838 Did you just comment 6 months after a comment to call me an sjw in a situation where that doesn't even make sense? are you a bot?

[@g-fanmax1838]

@@shooflies I wasn't calling you the social justice warrior. I was talking about the person above you.

[@csr2298]

The fact that there have been so many failed attempts at a proper Dr.Doom shows how great of a character he is. Don't expect the current MCU to do him justice, either.

[@MegaDynamiteDan]

And a fantastic villain

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@MegaDynamiteDan Loki comes in a close second, BUT Loki has always been a " likeable " antihero. VVD is like an onion or a nest of Russian dolls.

[@oneproudbrowncoat]

Doom isn't a villain, really. Nobody ever emigrates from Latveria- there's never any refugees who flee his regime. It's a safe place where everything works.

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@oneproudbrowncoat It's easy to view him as a tragic villain, I mean, after the horrors he went through as a child. You feel a tad bit more sympathetic to him as opposed to Lex Luthor or the Green Goblin. He seems like Benito Mussolini.

[@oneproudbrowncoat]

@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq Not entirely. Any catastrophe to his people is an affront to Doom. That's why the Avengers can't stand him.

[@mrduckman8381]

I think the reason why Doom is so difficult to portray on the big screen is due to the fact that he is an amalgamation of different people and tropes. I mean he is a scientist, but also a sorcerer, but also a politician, but also a dictator. This worked on the '60s where comic book character were popular because they were exagerated and cartoonish, but now the audience prefer a more serious and belivable adaptation of the comic or an adaptation that jokes about his absurd nature. Dr Doom just need to be handled in a more thoughfull way. An example could be mashing together some of his characteristics: science and magic are opposites, but what if Doom tried to use science to create artificial magic and make that the experiment worked but scarred him for life which is why he has to wear a mask. That would make the comic book's fans happy.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Science is used to make magic like spewing fire from staff, reshaping mountains, real-time communication across vast distances and memorizing huge amounts of information.

[@MotivationAbsolute]

Imagine a Dr. Doom movie focused on his life story from the comics but done in the dark/pulpy/artistic style like the joker. And have an actual Eastern European actor!

[@ATFAaronTalksFirearms]

Mads Mikkelsen

[@feliciaf8]

​@@ATFAaronTalksFirearms he's Nordic tho but he would be a perfect cast

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

Dr doom is romani

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@michaeljosephjackson2364 Do you think that studio suits *really* give a bulldog's bollocks about SOURCE MATERIAL ?

[@dhanipersaud6227]

Dr. Doom is Romani. It would actually be more interesting to dig into his and his mother's persecution for being different in Eastern Europe.

[@luciusnguyen2449]

It seems like the only possible way to adapt Doom is to give him his own origin movie like Black Adam. Showing his origin and his rise to power then setting him up as the villain in Fantastic Four

[@kclink1579]

Only if at the end he says "but most importantly, never cast RDJ as Dr. Doom,"

[@charlesfarley28]

Doom knows no such thing as failure. To Doom, there are only hindrances on the path to inevitable triumph.

[@chrismoseley349]

I think Avenger's Assemble and Spiderman TAS did a great job with the character. The accent, the more elaborate schemes, the diplomacy, the relentless attacks, etc, all true of Doom. Someone else mentioned his belief that he is doing the right thing as one of his motivations, and I think that comes across very well in Spiderman TAS.

[@tadrin]

MF DOOM gotta be the best doom variation outside the printed paper

[@jonasquinn7977]

I think in a weird way how complex and skilled Doom is is why he hasn’t been adapted well, it feels kind of cheap to establish that Doom is a super strong, genius, magical master who also rules over a country all in one movie Hopefully the nature of the MCU makes that easier to deal with

[@jiggafromstatefarm9997]

I was thinking his Own show or movie To establish how great of a character he is

[@tutorialslave]

If I were in charge, I'd go for a two-pronged approach: give Doom a movie where he has to devise a way out of a maze (outside of time?) Kang trapped him in with some light hints at his genius level intellect and affinity for sorcery; by the end of the film he manages to break free. Then (or concurrently to the movie) release a limited Disney+ series titled "Latveria" depicting everyday life in the country. Each episode is told from the POV of another citizen to flesh out the somewhat complicated relationship between Doom and his people. Show how Latveria thrived under Victor while it has fallen into disrepair and squalor when he suddenly vanished. End the show with Doom's triumphant return, maybe with the added bonus of a brief confrontation wherein he obliterates the warmonger/dictator who tried to fill the power vacuum. In future appearances, I'd pair him up with Strange (either in his own sequel or Dr Strange 3) asking Stephen for help to retrieve his mother's soul from hell; have him almost destroy Wakanda in BP3, seemingly team up with the FF in their sequel and threequel but gradually work towards several pieces of his own puzzle to fall into place so he can usurp either The Beyonders' or even Galactus' power and reign supreme. In a nutshell, go the opposite route to Thanos' sparing teases and brief cameos and deliver a rich and profound canvas of Doom's complexity so we as viewers get to learn all the intricacies that make him uniquely compelling.

[@commandercaptain4664]

He'd have to be presented without being a parallel mirror to any hero, for Doom has no equal. Also, he has to be irredeemable, which is antithetical to Disneyfilm's fantasy of changing and helping everyone, like some ex-girlfriend in an abusive relationship.

[@MrSgoudreau76]

The fact is that a little of people forget that Dr. Doom was once in the running for sorcerer supreme with Steven Strange. He is every bit the sorcerer that Dr. Strange is.

[@somejerk5662]

He even entered the competition once, coming in second to Doctor Strange. Doom had planned on this; a custom among sorcerers is that the winner owes 2nd place a favor. Doom used this to make Strange help him save his mother's soul from Mephisto, something Strange would have done it anyway if Doom just asked him. But Doom does not ask for favors.

[@VicWeave]

Emperor Doom did not adopt anyone; those are his kids with Sue from a reality other than 616. It's a plot point they later retconned (into Doom making creating them himself), but that's how it was written in Battleworld.

[@danagray9709]

I'd actually love a series centered around Doom, focusing on his efforts and the reasoning behind those efforts: That he wants to save the universe but understands because of his magic that this requires him to rule the world. I'm paraphrasing, but it was said that the only universe where humanity thrives in a perfect utopia is one where Doom rules all.

[@karmapolice343]

This is the moral ambiguity I crave

[@tananatana4011]

This is just pure headcanon. Doom isn't "conflicted" about ruling the world, in fact, Doom doesn't really care about "saving the universe", he just wants to rule the world, because he's a shitbag. It's not true that the only universe where humanity thrived was the one Doom ruled, that was just something Bast said cuz it was referencing Doom's ego that he would genuinely believe that. But it's not true, Doom ain't that complicated. He wants power and will kill to gain that power. Why does he want power? To be a god, it's not because of his people, he literally just wants to be a god

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@tananatana4011 You could almost be describing Lex Luthor as well. Alphas that trip over their own egos.

[@tananatana4011]

@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq Lex is different than Doom in a sense that Doom's ego is a LOT more fragile. Lex just KNOWS he's the smartest, he KNOWS that he's peak human, the only reason he's upset at Superman is because he doesn't think someone should be better BY DEFAULT than him, it's like a spit to the face. He isn't insecure about Superman as he just sees it almost as an equivalent to nepotism. Like he's God's favorite and he didn't have to work for his powers. Doom on the other hand deep down KNOWS he isn't the best, he KNOWS Reed is smarter, but will never admit it because he's so vain. Also their motivations differ, Doom's motivation is personal, Lex's motivation is more so philosophical. Superman is hope, he represents better tomorrow, brighter future, he's the goodest guy of them all trying his best to save everyone. Lex is someone who misinterprets that message, to Lex, Superman is an unrealistic standard, a get-out-of-jail-free card, he believes as long as Superman exists, humanity has no reason to evolve. He thinks he has alternative motives, because no one is "that good". Hell, once when Lex was revealed his true identity, he thought it must be some kind of an error, because through the ego filled perspective of Lex, it doesn't make sense that an all powerful God would waste it's time as a random nobody reporter. Doom however wants to murder a family because a guy was smarter than him in college, like that's essentially it. He's INCREDIBLY narcissistic and petty, and the whole point of Doom is that he's supposed to be pathetic. He isn't supposed to be "cool", he's basically if Dennis Reynolds became a supervillain

[@DanielAppleton-lr9eq]

@@tananatana4011 He claims that waiting for Superman & Co. will make us weak & dependent. I think that he uses that rationale SO MUCH that he started believing it himself. Victor Von Doom comes off as a " snowflake " & would only relinquish his thirst for power if somebody like a mixture of Galactus, Thanos, maybe Ultron came along & laid him well & truly LOW - as in a protagonist / antagonist who could destroy him for good.

[@bgt2848]

We need an entire movie Dedicated just to his development if not more than one

[@wewoee]

it genuinely cannot be this hard to deliver, yet apparently it continues to be

[@HMF47]

Same issue has happened with Lex Luthor. All the live action adaptations (except maybe Smallville, which wasn't even fully formed as a character) focus on the wacky businessman/scientist part, and not enough on the parallels with their rival superhero, the element that makes them interesting to begin with.

[@Darthzilla99]

They did a decent job with Lex in the first Christopher Reeves film if you take into context the comics of that time. This was before John Bryne turned rebooted Lex into a calculating billionaire. Lex at the time was a simple evil mad scientist. While Gene Hackman was campy, the parallel between them was that Superman is essentially a humble God who sees himself as a fallible Mortal man while Lex is an egotistical Mortal man who sees himself as an infallible God.

[@TighelanderII]

Gawd, how I hate Gene Hackman's portrayal of Lex. All it needed were the, "POW" and "BOOF" of the Sixties Batman TV show. Reeves was great, but the movie as a whole was crap.

[@finalthought3888]

Exactly

[@ffaristocrat]

The John Cryer version on Supergirl captures him best, imho. "At least, he's a good man" "He is NOT a MAN. I am the man of tomorrow, not him! Not him." A man who turns the sun red just so he can show the world that their god can bleed.

[@evilotto9200]

_I didn't spend six years in Evil Medical School to be called "mister," thank you very much_

[@eclipse2101_]

Genius billionaire playboy philanthropist

[@ticklemetimmy8254]

MF DOOM!

[@Zizazap23]

Robert is not the guy to play Dr. Doom. Terrible choice. Klaus Kinski would be perfect to play Dr. Doom. But he is dead.

[@simplycaz4221]

​@@Zizazap23Only time will tell

[@Zizazap23]

@@simplycaz4221 Maybe if he Plays a completely different character than Tony Stark. Completely. RDJ is good enough to, but will they let him? Will he want to? Only time will tell.

[@simplycaz4221]

@@Zizazap23 rdj is a versatile actor so if they give proper depth and story for doom like in the comics it's gon be great. Mcu done fked up all the past live adaptation and they portrayed doom wrongly. This time i hope we get justice

[@doodleferp8158]

As an eternal Doom stan, having a different backstory for Doom could work. But in making that backstory, you have to take into account how the events will shape him as a person. Backstories are explanations for a character’s actions, not a way to excuse them. In my opinion, Victor doesn’t hate Reed because he has a better reputation. In the comics, Reed pointed out a flaw in the machine that gave Victor his scar, and Victor ignored him because he thought Reed wanted to upstage him. Victor truly believes that he is the hero of this story. And you don’t tell a hero they’re wrong unless you’re a villain. If you’re not trying to be a part of Victor’s solution, then you’re part of the problem. And we all know that Victor von Doom is *very* keen on fixing problems.

[@danielramsey6141]

Which shows how Flawed he is! He may be a Genius, but he’s so Far up his own Ass that he loses Control! That’s why, No Matter what the Stupid Panther God Says, Doom will never rule the World! He Cannot.

[@Spiritof_76]

Different back story? They should stick with the original. It was the best one. The changes are why they keep fudging up every Fantastic 4 movie.

[@pedrogames443]

OH THE IRONY only DOOM can now SAVE the MCU

[@brago900]

At the end of the day Doom is always the one who saves the Marvel universe.

[@priyanshumaurya007]

This is literally happening a year later! You guys are prophets. Marvel is desperate so they bring the RDJ who made the MCU to save it again as DOOM.

[@ErenYeager-pw1xh]

WHO IS HERE AFTER IT WAS ANNOUNCED RDJ IS PLAYING DR DOOM ?

[@ticklemetimmy8254]

not me. i came here cause of...DOOM! MF DOOM!

[@pepegroda9609]

everyone. literally everyone reading this comment is here after they announced it

[@XYGamingRemedyG]

I remember seeing this some time ago 😂 it's great seeing it recommended again after the reveal.

[@deadfr0g]

Here is my personal top 3 list of the best appearances of Doom that (in my opinion) I think are the most faithful to the true nature of his character: • Hidden Missiles • Footdive • MADVILLAIN • *Footdive*

[@toski2gamer375]

6:33 that MF DOOM sample🤤

[@sunflowersamurai10]

Beef rap

[@AkhilPulidindi]

Dr Doom in cartoons was much more menace than in live action movies

[@noobmaster69426]

Even Lego can make a better Dr Doom than live action 😂

[@AkhilPulidindi]

@@noobmaster69426 But lego is supremacy it can make anything better

[@noobmaster69426]

@@AkhilPulidindi exactly

[@biocapsule7311]

Personally, I always consider Julian McMahon a great casting because the 2 role he is most known for and 2 roles years after the films all contain aspects of Doom like villains in them. Cole Turner from Charmed, Christian Troy from Nip/Tuck, Jonah from Runaways, Zackariah Webb from Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. The last one in particular is almost a homage to Doom. He definitely can do Doom justice if they ever give him the material.

[@eggpod4567]

The way they wrote Dr.Dooms story in the video game 'Ultimate Alliance ' was my absolute favorite. They got every about him right. You go up against some serious threats, yet Doom is still the biggest threat.

[@mclekfkeiwdisidido6858]

What I love about Doom is how he mirrors each member of the fantastic 4: Johnny: They both have an arrogant personality and a need for the spot light but Johnny learns to work as a member of the team. Ben: They are both disfigured and deformed beyond recognition but Ben learns to accept himself as he is meanwhile Doom wears a mask. Susan: they are both the glue of their "families" (the ff and Latveria respectively) but Susan does it out of love and Doom at the end of the day out of ego. Reed: Now this is the one, Doom mirrors Reed as what would have happened if he chose to close himself to the world and became a simple machine focused on achieving his goal with no emotion and that's also why Doom hates and wants to be Reed because even after everything he perceived himself to be, how much he planned or how much he sacrificed, Reed still came out on top and he didn't need to do any of that because he has a family and Doom stands alone.

[@TheRayvolution]

Can’t present Viktor AND the first family at the same time in 90mins. He needs to be fleshed out. Doom is an entire tale on to himself.

[@danieljohnson9783]

A problem I see with trying to introduce Doom is his power scale. He's has always been over powered in the comics and is able to survive and adapt almost any encounter .

[@Toma-621]

This has had a sudden surge of relevancy

[@groupvucic2235]

It isn't sudden, phase 6 was announced years ago

[@Toma-621]

@@groupvucic2235 Robert Downey Jr as Doom wasn't announced years ago tho

[@groupvucic2235]

@@Toma-621 this video isn't about Robert Downey Jr

[@RuzYT]

why did this pop in my feed after I saw that RDJ is now Dr Doom

[@S_xBobOmb]

It's trending RN, heaps of only minutea old comments being posted check it out on newest

[@shattered0138]

Who came back here after RDJ's Hall H announcement

[@eliminator1472]

Yep and the video is still correct, they can’t get Dr. Doom right

[@chase1146]

@@eliminator1472 huh. so whats your secret for time travel?

[@eliminator1472]

@@chase1146 Pardon? I was actually thinking the MCU would get Doom right, until I found out who’s going to play him. When I first watched this video I figured the MCU would break the doom curse, but alas

[@chase1146]

@@eliminator1472 well obviously you must have some form of time travel since you know that they wont get doom right. i mean like the movie with him isnt even out yet. so obviously you must have some way to see it before then. so im just curious how your traveling to the future.

[@eliminator1472]

@@chase1146 If the MCU really wanted to make a good accurate Doom they wouldn’t cast fucking RDJ. That just screams desperation and the main draw isn’t going to be the amazing character that Doom is, and can be in the MCU. The main draw is RDJ. Even after death iron man still has to find a way and relate to the villains and other characters. I doubt doom will be given the care he deserves simply by looking at this awful casting.

[@nolifek1ng]

Who’s here after the big RDJ reveal?!

[@localmilfchaser6938]

Me

[@localmilfchaser6938]

Wait my comment didn’t get deleted? :0

[@KingKam93]

🙋🏽‍♂️ Popped up in my recommendation after the fact. I’m so ready for RDJ’s Doom.

[@grondhero]

"Somehow, RDJ survived."

[@newesthaplugg]

We need Mf DOOM on the soundtrack if they were to make a solo movie For Dr. doom!

[@notKevinFeige]

I have terrible news for you buddy

[@quackistan]

@@notKevinFeige yeah really sucks that DOOM deleted all his music right after he died so it couldn't be on a soundtrack

[@newesthaplugg]

@@quackistan Wait??? What???

[@commandercaptain4664]

@@quackistan Define "deleted".

[@siddhartashakara5240]

As a time traveler myself , all I can say with the upcoming movies is “close, but no cigar”

[@jordanellis3615]

I really enjoyed the 2005 interpretation especially Julian McMahon’s performance. But it’s just nostalgic for me. He does play great villains

[@WoLFDaRkNeSs]

And here is back, back again 😂 i came after seen yesterday the bug news with Doom, anybody else?

[@WoLFDaRkNeSs]

When i was a kid i was fan of Marvel, but after some time i got totally bored of it and i enjoyed more DC cuz they were doing a lot more better, but well seems we are getting a bit back on Marvel for a while, they bring Doom and X Man, 2 amazing things what thry could do 🎉

[@vegettosonlab]

Looking forward to you making an update on this, now that Robert Downey Jr. has been announced to be Doctor Doom. :P

[@iotaeta-pi2770]

I always saw Dr. Doom as a combination of Iron Man and Dr. Strange, but with the personality flaws of both men going unchecked.