Wahoo ACE In-Depth Review: The Beast or Unbaked?

[@fgoehner]

Appreciate the honest review, just saw a review from someone else, and made it sound it was the best thing since sliced bread

[@Dcrainmaker]

Thanks! I do like bread a lot....but sadly, this baguette needs more time in the oven.

[@ChrisP978]

It's a lovely looking poolish. Come back in 6 months after they've done the final shaping and baking.

[@osp1999]

Excellent review by DC Rainmaker, saved me from wasting $600 and hours of frustration

[@4toes1nose]

Most KZbin reviewers are actually just auditioning for their next free piece of hardware from companies and corporations or they’re just professional Shills

[@mikequinn]

Yes but GCN are sponsored by Wahoo

[@vincent-uq1sv]

As unbaked as it is big kudos to Wahoo for actually rewriting and modernizing their OS. Something Garmin don’t seem to be able to do for years while they obviously should.

[@MH_Bikes]

I was just thinking, what my racing bike needs, is a big screen TV. Now I have to find a coffee maker for the bike.

[@cathalkenneally1614]

😂

[@CornholioTP2]

I mean a big map is nice. If you then also have ability to put some more data fields on the map page, so you don't have to constantly cycle through your pages, that's quite nice aswell

[@bryanj12341]

Would be funny if you could play youtube videos on it

[@SoftTofu123]

well, this isnt for a racing bike. It's like garmin 10x0 series. it's for longer rides, like touring.

[@thedownunderverse]

@@SoftTofu123then why does it need wind speed

[@gamecat1923]

I love that in just about every review i have read/ watched, that the comments refer to the DCR review here as the actual review. Keep up the good work Ray 👍

[@Dcrainmaker]

Thanks!

[@johndaly846]

Facts. DCR is the reviewer of record. Thanks for ONLY throwing straight punches 🫡

[@TheGobykoh]

Someone in Wahoo HQ is now probably saying “I told them so! We can’t release the product yet!”.

[@nickhalluk]

they should always think "What would Ray do?"

[@JimVajda82]

You mean all of dev? Yeah, they have probably said that for weeks leading up to today.

[@PsyKeks]

But then in reality it probably doesn't matter at all and people will buy it anyways. And with every update they will praise the company for releasing new features for free.

[@wuzihuzi]

Just like the gaming industry. They have just started to learn not to release half baked games, now it's time for other industries to realise that.

[@PsyKeks]

@@wuzihuzi I have totally thought about video games myself. I am not quite with it these days. Have they shifted? My last impression was that gamers totally buy the broken s**t. As well as questionable ingame purchases and subscriptions.

[@kay_jay_em]

Still rocking the Bolt V1 and loving it 😂

[@ltu42]

You're missing out! Sell it, add $100, get Bolt v2, and get a better screen, a useful map view, on-board routing, automatic rerouting, informative elevation profile, elevation look-ahead even without a route loaded, colour-coded power and HR fields. For me this upgrade just made the Bolt feature complete. Upd: Also, USB-C socket, and there were absolutely no downsides!

[@mattkavanaugh5623]

Roam V1 does everything I need. I will upgrade when the battery gives out as I did for the prior Wahoo which lasted 7 or 8 years I think.

[@h31sman]

⁠@@ltu42v1 is lighter & works well enough

[@nuggunu]

my V1 died this summer and I had to buy the V2. I don't really like it :D the gps is bad and on the elevation page the round button is replaced. yeah sumit is quite cool but also stops as so as you come to a standstill and you can't get back on it. So I'd like to have my V1 back =(

[@out_spocken]

@@ltu42 You;re missing the point. Sell youre Bolt v2. add $800 and get a better everything SMH. I love people like you. Great...you needed somehting a little better...because it exists. Not everyone does...and contrary to marketing...the latest version they want us to spend money on doesn't make our cycling any better or faster on any metric. Keep spending bro. I hear there's a 'better' version out. Best drop some more money

[@mikel.mp4]

you know a review is bad if a positive aspect of a $600 ultra niche mini computer for a bike is.... that the bell sound is nice.

[@NeilLavitt]

As long as your not on the wrong screen 😅

[@3dr1ch]

Love how it’s sat there wobbling about on the handlebars whilst all the others are rock solid! 😂

[@alexanderkoch4830]

Tbf it's a third party mount, not rated for that kind of weight.

[@mattszrejter6785]

Thank you for the raw review! GCN sugar coated it. They were just a commercial for the unit.

[@Dcrainmaker]

To be fair to GCN, they did at least disclose it was a commercial.

[@grvl307]

GCN is sponsored by Wahoo, so you can ignore everything they say about the brand. And I'm saying this as a big fan of wahoo products :)

[@kierenkd]

GCN are quite transparent about what is sponsored content. Better to call out other reviewers that don't get paid directly but accept travel, hotels, meals, teview units. Some brands overbook your hotel and you hey the refund / aka bribe. Take all woth a grain of salt

[@grvl307]

@@kierenkd exactly, a lot of "reviewers" give almost everything 4 stars but aren't transparent....

[@panzerveps]

GCN doesn't do reviews. They do promotions.

[@jkotsche7035]

I needed a bike computer to get me over the 6.8kg limit specified by UCI. Does it connect to KZbin so I can watch cycling videos? Ok, enough sarcasm. I'll shut up.😏 Ray, as always a great review. Not sarcasm.

[@dakalla]

UCI will only count it to your bike weight, if it is bolted on! So better don't swap your bike.

[@jkotsche7035]

@@dakalla I know. Did you see that I qualified my statement as sarcasm.

[@irfuel]

@@dakalla So you need a Wahoo ... *drumroll* ... BOLT?! *badum tsss*

[@judechamberlain7580]

​@@dakallaThere's a little screw in the box on the roam and bolts for that exact reason😅

[@avrook]

I really appreciate you being honest in those reviews 🤘

[@leeproctor7132]

I’m a massive fan of Wahoo head units, and love the Elemnt Bolt with its low weight, simple App based interface and great battery life. I was genuinely looking forward to the Ace but after seeking this review, I ask myself who’s going to buy an expensive brick that doesn’t work too well and bobbles about slowly bending you’re out front mount??

[@ChristophLangner]

I need glasses or contact lenses (which I don't get on well with) and therefore need a bike computer with a slightly larger display. The Bolt is too small for me, the Roam is very good in terms of size, but it could still be a bit bigger. But mounting a brick weighing more than 200 grams on the front of the handlebars? Really not. I'd rather wait for a Roam v3 or switch to the Hammerhead Karoo.

[@n0ch91c3s]

​@@ChristophLangnerI use stick-on bifocal readers from Stick-Tite in standard riding sunglasses for this reason.

[@irfuel]

Garmin user here, because I want the extra features, but I recommend Wahoo Bolt/Roam to all my less hardcore cycling friends if they are looking for a bike computer, because it's so much easier to use. But this thing? My god what were they thinking.

[@ChristophLangner]

@@n0ch91c3s I've got bike glasses with a clip inside. Works great. But the corrected field of view is not as big as with normal glasses. And then there are rides in the rain and in cold weather, where two sets of glasses fog up...

[@superq]

As someone who's been using Wahoo head units since the original ELEMNT. The one thing I've been impressed with is Wahoo actually fixing things, adding features, consistently and reliably. Garmin software would always be one step forward, two bugs back. That's why I gave up on Garmin so many years ago. Given Wahoo's track record for good software, I'm sure all of these review items will be fixed in a reasonable amount of time.

[@cyberwarfare9118]

As a pilot, the airspeed indicator is hilariously intuitive in a way that I didn't expect (it displays the same way avionics in aircraft do with indicated airspeed and ground speed) but yes I think it should have a wind component arrow for normal consumers

[@jess1234-b3t]

Perhaps the person who designed it was a pilot too. But the difference here is that a bike doesn’t fall out of the sky if you get the airspeed wrong 😅 It would be good if you could create calculated fields - then you can get the machine to do whatever maths you wanted it to do 🤷‍♀️

[@PsyKeks]

They added the analysis as the background color of the data field. Green for tailwind/slipstream, red for headwind. With only 11 data fields available (same as my original Roam) and no side LEDs anymore, they have to conserve space and consolidate both things into none field, I guess 😂 Well, maybe they will release a selectable data field entry for "absolute wind component in riding direction" in the future. But maybe they think that's too confusing for many users. Tell them, there is 5mph actual wind and they say "it's clearly 20mph winds today!!" when the wind comes from the side and the device doesn't measure from the side, only from the front.

[@RetroracerDB1]

I’ll wait for Dynon to make a bike computer.

[@cyberwarfare9118]

@RetroracerDB1 Garmin already does 😂

[@matteo.borbonese]

I thought the same (me pilot too). What is the purpose of airspeed if the data is not useful to indicate wind component or aero advantages when in line with other cyclist etc etc??? As I wrote in other places, with this computer i know if I'm stalling during climb or going past VNE during descend. I guess this is becoming more and more important if you own an aero bike...

[@ashish_rajoba]

I’m happy with Edge 530, some friends of mine have even older units and we are all fine. Bike computers are getting in the realm of cellphone prices of few years ago.

[@Slow.Smooth]

530 is peak bike computer

[@ryoukokonpaku1575]

@@Slow.Smooth Rocking an 840 for years now, a bit newer but is as good as the latest 1050s imo. Added benefit of being able to get the latest firmware updates as well like the faster gradient calculation.

[@conan_der_barbar]

I think it was on purpose to release it now. Perfect gift for the people who don't watch your reviews. Most "reviews" online are waaaay less critical (unfortunately)

[@evanshaw17]

DC you and GP Lama are incredibly talented dedicated knowledgeable professionals. Each of you have massively inspired useful and accurate information. Thank you so very much!!!!

[@Amir-cu4qp]

Great and honest review! Regarding the auto-upload, I'm one of those guys that wouldn't want to have the activity uploaded to multiple platforms automatically. I want my activities on strava, and I use komoot only for the routes, so it is redundant for me to have it on komoot.

[@StefanMikulski]

I only upload my ride to Strava after I am done with photo selection :) So I prefer to upload the rides manually, too.

[@superq]

Same, I prefer opt-in for uploads.

[@HobbyHoarder]

I just noticed they removed the colored LED's. That was their main feature setting them apart from others and actually useful for quickly glancing your power/HR zone. Whoever thought it would be good to get rid of it? Just boggles my mind how much Wahoo have lost their bearing.

[@badenleo9036]

Super happy you did such a in-depth review Ray. I have been a Wahoo fan & have Wahoo basically everything on the bike for years. Have been waiting for this in looking to upgrade my Bolt V1, but now I am seriously considering the Roam V2 or even Bolt V2 as opposed to spending that much money on something that is still "doughy"... Love your work Ray, keep it up.

[@billmaidment]

The only honest review I’ve seen. Thank you!

[@dsmithmcse]

Great review and appreciate the honesty. Personally, I'll stay with my HH Karoo (3). It's rock solid and is constantly being updated with new features and bug fixes.

[@louis_sharp]

I'm Garmin only, but my BMC ICS computer mount has a 180g weight limit. I know this because my 1030 plus and Varia UT 800 caused it to shear into two parts, causing my gamins to fly off. this is more than the weight limit alone!

[@justincartwright3559]

My go to bike computer reviewer. Best on the internet. Thanks

[@gregmoxham2120]

Thanks for the honesty and detail as always, Ray! That bar tape though...

[@bluesthemoose]

Also: to trigger the bell, you can tap the middle button’s “soft label”, not the empty space below.

[@AK-je7ns]

Love my bolt v2, does everything I need and it’s a nice size!

[@CasablancaDriver]

I used a Bolt 2 that wasn’t mine all summer : I loved it from a to z. Top notch user interface, super readable and crisp, so easy to use, reliable and what a great companion app ! Fantastic head unit really. At 200 right now seems to be the best deal ever.

[@tomigun750]

Yes, genuinely very impressed with the bolt v2 Best bike computer available today

[@StevenSeagull1984]

Bolt v2 is the best 👌 so cheap i have one for each bike.

[@lwiful]

I guess that the sales department won the debate with R&D? Thanks for the honest review.

[@6degreefloat]

It's nice to see Wahoo wanted to match Garmin with the same mount issue! Now that's focus

[@germcevoy]

Telling it like it is. Love it. baffled that they haven't built solar in to a device so big and premium.

[@RhysSpencer]

Was waiting to see this report before making Garmin 1050 v Wahoo purchase. Its like a staples button. That was EASY. Staying in the Garmin ecosystem

[@Slow.Smooth]

1030+ still going strong

[@phxrsx]

Thanks for what you do. I’ve realized I’ve been watching your videos for many years.

[@olishobbyscene1643]

gosh, that device is bouncing around on the headmount, that I would be in constant fear of breaking the mount (I am on a Canyon Endurace). Looks nice in general, but not a "need to have it now" unit. Will wait a while to decide between the 1050 and the Ace moving forward Feels like, the ACE was required to be pushed to the market as they committed to a date, but not having the software ready to go yet. We are being used as Beta testers and paying for something "not fit for purpose" right now.

[@Dcrainmaker]

It was crazy, I didn't really notice the bouncing around much on the Canyon mount, till I looked at the footage (especially some out-front footage looking back towards me), and holy moly!

[@pawelpankiewicz9458]

The big units feel the most compelling as gravel handy, but then that bouncing would contradict the use case 🤦‍♂️

[@uk-expat]

I saw that too! Thanks for confirming it wasn’t my aging eyes!

[@J6sigma]

It remains to be seen if this is not due to the Canyon mount, which is a bit flimsy even with my ELEMNT Roam v2. Or is it due to the digital video stabilization of the camera ? In any case, Canyon should really start to work on a new, longer frontlight mount.

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@J6sigma I don't think it's the stabilization. I took various shots on the iPhone 16 Pro, DJI Pocket 3 (with gimbal), and GoPro Hero 13...and all showed solid wobble - especially slow-mo on the gimbal-based Pocket 3.

[@Ado_Bielo]

So, I love the Wahoo Bolt, excellent product with amazing features and long battery life and I'm not sure I need to 'upgrade'. Lots of things here that need to be solved, good to hear that bell. Great review

[@FloKoboi]

im here for the honest review and not another advertisement. thanks DC!

[@krzysztofgrasssnake]

Wow. Thanks for this review. I was about to buy this computer but after watching this video I m going to hold back and wait until wahoo will complete the „cooking” All best DC.

[@chrismoore1182]

Garmin 1050 for the win

[@Chris-pt6hh]

Is yours 100% stable? Mine would crash and reboot almost every time at 2 hours into a ride, it was a total dealbreaker so I returned it. If they'll fixed them I may try again.

[@chrismoore1182]

Yes. Just did a near 4 hour ride. Amazing they did an update.

[@dhodges1911]

​@@Chris-pt6hh mine is stable

[@SteveLoughran]

My garmin edge 1000-something is the reason I have been put off ever getting something from garmin ever again.

[@fogsmith]

As always, a throughly enjoyable and to the point review. All awesome insights. Thanks for the great work.

[@boudoir00]

I love my Wahoo Roam V2 - thanks for the honest and clear review. Sounds like the Ace is an expensive and heavy step backwards.

[@sruo42]

This reminds me of the Bolt v2 original review. Although this seems even worse off. Fortunately the Bolt v2 has come a long way and is now a solid unit. Another thought, Wahoo releasing this in the fall also stopped them from offering Black Friday discounts on current units as to not potentially caniblize their own sales for the Ace. Yet another reason to have launched this in the early spring rather than late Fall. Thanks for the review as always Ray!

[@cheers1905]

I was very much looking for a discount on a Bolt V2 for Black Friday and I'm deeply pissed off that they held off on any discounts for THIS overpriced piece of kit lol

[@vodizzzle]

I really hate when companies offer discounts. Indicates a certain demand and fair pricing in general…

[@johndancy7996]

I was waiting for this to computer to be announced, immediately thought that I should check DCR. Now I know…. Good news is I don’t need a computer ‘til spring. 😅 Thanks for the great review, keep it up!

[@marccox7371]

I remember the days years ago where Garmin saw its user base as beta testers whilst paying full price for units that clearly weren't ready, now Wahoo feels like its trying to enter that space.... I won't be buying!

[@derx6666]

Garmin still does that :) I'm one of those geeks. I don't really mind as I know what I got into. I used to recommend Wahoo units to people who are maybe a bit less tech savvy, or want something that just works, and don't use some bleeding edge (hah) features. This review just tells me to not recommend the Ace just yet. Knowing Wahoo they'll get their stuff together, and this will be as rock solid as the Bolt or Roam, but for now I'd hold off on buying the Ace.

[@pawelpankiewicz9458]

I remember Roam when it was realised, not to that extend but it was in fact behind Bolt att. Chances they will fix this are high. Promising though surprising, probably the effect of agile work moved to HW 😅

[@marccox7371]

@@derx6666 I think Rays comment of who wants this now - in December - (I know we are northern hemisphere centric here in that comment) - but get the unit and 'features' right before bringing to the market, as for advertising something on the box the unit in the box can't do, that feels sloppy. Wahoo always felt better than this. Especially at this price point.

[@JoshuaTootell]

Difference is you can opt into being a beta tester. Years ago Garmin was releasing unreliable equipment from the factory, but they had no competition ​@@derx6666

[@rodriguezahr]

I wish Garmin starts using graphics like the one Wahoo uses. Look at those big fonts, amazing to look at. Garmin graphic design is archaic.

[@Chris-pt6hh]

It's like Garmin UI team last worked on Blackberry phones

[@elninndo]

The only review I need to watch.

[@scottleech9571]

Awesome honest review .. as someone in the industry and access at cost I will 100% be keeping my Roam V2. Thanks for saving me some $$

[@Jponabike]

Maybe if the Ace V2 fixes the issues it'll be worth cost 🤣

[@scottleech9571]

@@Jponabike nah I doubt it 😆

[@Jponabike]

@@scottleech9571 so far wahoo have improved each v2, I'm hoping it stays the same trend 😭

[@crivera2025]

Great review Ray, I prefer something smaller. From the pics and video the ACE looks quite large. You’re right, they should have waited and refine things with a release date in the Spring.

[@MateHegyhati]

Oh, Edge 500 🙂 I still have a 200, which I bought second hand a few years back. Best bang for my buck ever I think. Its simplicity is still charming today 🙂

[@topher.m]

Still much better than the half-baked UX and the Garmin ecosystem.

[@frederikpijls1549]

Final push I needed to go for the Garmin 1050. Great review, thanks!

[@osp1999]

Highly recommend the 1050, was a longtime Wahoo user went to Garmin at the 1030 then 1040 now have the 1050.

[@Slow.Smooth]

1030+ user for 3 years. Very happy.

[@twl1979]

Great review. By far the most genuine

[@Tobi-di4dj]

What I really liked from wahoo wars that they are keept things simple, black/ white display, no touch screen. But with every new model it feels more like a Garmin. I really liked my elment, got a roam v2 now which got more software/ gps Problems. Just go back to your roots keep it simple and add more battery life. Good review thx 👍🏻

[@irfuel]

The problem with a lot of software/hardware. If your USP is simplicity, where will your income come from in the future? So they all end up bloating their newer devices to give people a reason to upgrade. But I agree. What should a simple bike computer be able to do that a Roam V2 can't? I have no idea! Ah maybe a bike bell :D

[@MM-kt5dv]

Ugh! Wahoo, don't increase the size, GET RID OF THE BEZELS! It's 2024, not 2004. Thanks for the honest review Ray.

[@WilliamSullivan-ct7hk]

Thanks for the honest review. I was especially interested in the turn by turn navigation feature, specifically if it's loud enough to be heard over road and wind noise and its accuracy. You covered my concerns completely. Plus, I wasn't aware that the Garrmin 1050 has this feature. I've been using my phone for it with the RidewithGPS app, but want to have that feature on my bike computer instead. If you do review an improved model, please indicate if they've been able to increase the volume of the navigator. Excellent work!

[@taschkar]

Thanks for the honest review, most others hype it up. Will go for the 1050.

[@morneauh]

The reason to get Wahoo was the screen, no backlight. Now it's a inferior Garmin.

[@Mr_Zzzeee]

exactly. they need to keep the differential between garmins, otherwise people would just buy the garmin

[@irfuel]

@@Mr_Zzzeee They will play the price game.

[@StevenSharma-kb7cl]

great review , very honest as usual.....got to say...get that bar tape sorted...

[@donbarnard82]

Seems they wanted it released for Christmas gift giving. I think the air speed sensor is cool enough that if I were in the wahoo camp I might want it as a gift knowing that they would probably fix the firmware features by the time I'm using it in the spring. If buying for myself, I'd probably wait until they had those fixes in. But... I have a garmin 1050 so what I really want is a separate air speed sensor that I can use on my garmin! :)

[@jimpeyton1459]

My transition from Wahoo Elemnt Roam 2 to Garmin Edge 1040 has been a disaster...combination of pilot error and frankly the convoluted Garmin ecosystem. I was ecstatic to see Wahoo offer the Ace...not anymore! Thanks for the honest review. You are spot on with your assessment of when Wahoo should have released the Ace. Im sure the decision was heavily weighted towards a holiday release as gift, but it looks like Wahoo pushed the Ace before it was ready. One or two "coming later" features is acceptable, but not as many as you outlined. As far as the size issue is concerned, most users of the Ace (and the Garmin 1050 or 1040) aren't concerned with size/weight...they (including me) want visibility offered by a larger screen. Looks like head units are moving to phone-like screens...at phone-like prices. Conventional wisdom was you didn't want to risk an expensive phone as a head unit...well USD 500.00 to 700.00 is the price of a smart phone... Hope Wahoo figures it out. I am in limbo between my solid Elemnt Roam and the caoable, but frustrating Edge 1040... Thanks as always. 😅 Hope you and familyvare settled in. Have a great holiday season!

[@Robin-gw4lc]

Thank you for the review Ray, very insightful

[@stefanodirector]

Yep. Don't see the need to leave my Bolt gen 2 as yet. Thanks DC!

[@Epiqe]

I love my Bolt V2, small, compact, lightweight, enough battery for 2-3 rides. I do not like TV´s mounted on my bike lol.

[@WayeOfLife]

Ooooh. Thanks for the roast.. the weather has dropped here in Amsterdam.. but now this video is keeping me warm🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@blakefx]

Well that’s underwhelming. I’ve got a Bolt V1 and am in the market for a new unit as it’s about 6 years old. I’ve been waiting for this release and I couldn’t be less interested in this giant unit with features I don’t need and apparently features I do need that don’t work. Back to the drawing board I guess. Thanks for an honest review, this is the best place to get accurate information.

[@mcorbett01]

Really helpful review, much more useful than Simon’s GCN (sponsored?) review I saw immediately before.

[@Feldmanphysicaltherapy]

Does anyone else's dog go nuts every time the bell rang? 🤣

[@Dcrainmaker]

My dog got so sick of hearing the bell the last few days of filming/etc...no longer even gives me side eye.

[@Feldmanphysicaltherapy]

@@Dcrainmaker 🤣🤣🤣

[@GDub83]

Interesting trend I’ve noticed in tech and hobbies: when a company releases something out of the norm for their space, it’s usually for one of three reasons. Either 1) they know a competitor has something better coming at the usual release time and want to get ahead, 2) they’ve got something even bigger planned for that normal release window, or 3) they’re using the early release to fund development and finish the ‘real’ product in time. Makes you wonder what’s really going on behind the scenes!

[@UK-Cycling]

Thanks Ray. I’ll wait till the spring. Best regards Martin

[@brettstana9823]

Appreciate your review. Its really messed up that wahoo rushes this stuff out. I guess the new wahoo ace will just end up like the element rival watch.

[@jeromeurbain1978]

Thanks a lot for this really honest review! It really helps differenciate the pros from the cons. Thanks for this! Any upcoming video for a DJI action 5? Keep up the great work!

[@jeffreyastjohn]

Great review. I like Wahoo, and I want them to succeed (and it seems like Ray does too). I hope they get this straightened out pretty quickly

[@zdm5290]

Got to put hands on one of these early as well - not nearly so in depth of course. Consensus was it was an interesting option, but no one knew why it was dated for early December, rather than early spring or so. A bit sad to hear there are still so many holes in the unit at launch, but from past experience Wahoo has at least done well in pushing updates that add features even to devices that have since been supplanted. I trust Wahoo to make good on adding promised features more than I do most other companies, though I do question the decision to launch so early in an incomplete state. My first bike GPS was the top Magellan model for the US, which was decent if a bit bulbous - had a weird particular issue with it surrounding POIs, but otherwise I don't recall many updates at all. My Lezyne Micro Color... lots of updates, but every single one removed functionality of the unit. It was completely ridiculous. They couldn't get the battery calculation right somehow (mine seemed fine - 10% per hour) so they just removed the #% and left a basic battery icon. Randomly removed a ton a sport modes for some unknown reason, and with it tuning controls. By the time I stopped using that GPS it was a completely different unit it felt like. I'll never trust another Lezyne headunit, even as a diehard user of their tools.

[@paulflory3532]

Nope. Been using Garmin Varia tail radar 510 & 515 for about 5 years, and several years ago added MyBikeRadar Traffic special data field, which gives me the actual speed (IN MPH) of approaching passers, updating every second and storing the data in the ride file. This has been far more useful than I expected, and manufacturers and riders who haven't tried it don't understand. Not complicated to do, it simply adds the cyclist's speed to the closing speed (which the Varia provides anyway) and displays the result. Hoped that Wahoo might have baked this into the OS for the ACE, and would have bought one just for this one feature. Will stick with Garmin's clunky arrangement for now.

[@jeffhunter007]

Yes, Wahoo could have released in the Spring, but 2 comments on that statement: 1) Spring is in December, at least in the Southern Hemisphere, where probably sales will be lower but provide some good real world use and feedback for Wahoo to improve upon, and 2) By launching in Dec, users in N. America (early adopters and reviewers) will provide feedback so they can work on improvements and then re-release in April 2025.

[@lorneanderson7424]

Wahoo, I missed the link for the Dodge Ram 1500 XL discount? Thanks for the thorough review DC.

[@nakoosa02]

Another amazing honest review. Thank you for being you.

[@mlegrand]

I find it very interesting that a lot of the issues you found here are already working and working well on Wahoo's other computers (Bolt & Roam).

[@Dcrainmaker]

Code base rewrites changes are tough for everyone...

[@mlegrand]

@@Dcrainmaker - Oh, so this was a complete rewrite . . . 😬

[@Chris-pt6hh]

@@Dcrainmaker It seems like a case of sales not listening to the actual engineers. I'm all too familiar with that lmao. All of the delays seem to stem from the migration to this new unified platform... which let's be honest, they've needed badly since acquiring Sufferfest. "You can have it ready by next week? You just have to click a couple buttons." "Literally impossible." "Great, glad to hear it!"

[@jean-philippereid8568]

Very thorough review, as always! Thanks!!

[@naf2579]

You can reverse the routes in the Garmin connect app. Takes just a few clicks then shoot it over to the edge device. BUT it would be nice to do it on the head unit.

[@23gt17]

Wasn't really interested in buying the Ace since it's so big but I'm on my 2nd Elemnt Bolt so I was curious how it stacked up. Great thorough and unbiased review. I'll stick to my little Bolt and hope that Wahoo doesn't eff it up with the inevitable version 3.

[@1TimeRunner]

I wanted this to be a better review for the Ace …. But …. It seems like it needs more time. I made the switch from Garmin to Wahoo and I’m happy I did. From my experience- I believe they will continue to improve it. Clearly from your review they should have waited to release this until spring. I’m still interested- just not now. Thanks for your honest review.

[@bikermousefrommarz6739]

All considered, I am very happy with my KAROO 3. Right price, great screen, easy navigation. Even better now SDK function incoming.

[@dpmcalli]

@@bikermousefrommarz6739 yeah recent updates have been great, SDK, improved battery saver options, lots of little UI improvements like text alignment options, arrows at all map zoom levels etc. I think it's a great option

[@stevesmith9082]

It should have had the SDK from the start

[@LukasHridesbikes]

So, the only benefit of buying this, is that my wallet would be lighter?

[@mmcewen9789]

@@LukasHridesbikes Your bike will also be heavier, in case you needed to change the fore-aft balance for some reason.

[@andyhickmann2173]

Bold move from Wahoo shipping this early. After watching this video I’m sure people write it off in their minds and won’t come back in 6 months to see if it got better. Rather if I watched this video in the spring and it was a good competitor to the 1040/1050, I’d probably think a lot harder about getting the device when the time came to get a computer.

[@cheers1905]

No matter the state it is also severely overpriced and Wahoo deserve to have this thing fail tbh

[@GilbertTang]

It’s like the Sonos app rewrite of flagship head units.

[@molon___labe]

5:26 wow look how well that bell worked they all scattered.........

[@CiCC-kány]

Interesting to see two very different videos about the same thing (GCN vs. DC Rainmaker). :)

[@nuttynut722]

why is this review so much better then GCN?

[@ryoukokonpaku1575]

Since it isn't sponsored. To GCN's credit, they're pretty transparent on their reviews when it's a paid promotion (which was the case for the Wahoo Ace) or not.

[@jeffreytaipei7907]

great review as usual. Whenever a hear about a new bike computer release I think maybe, just maybe, they would slim down the bezels. But alas, disappointed.

[@tomigun750]

I like the required opt in to share rides. Often I want syncing for routes, but don’t want to share the completed ride.

[@bonn1771]

Great review Ray.

[@jakesiney]

So glad I went for the Karoo 3 instead of waiting for this. As usual the Wahoo software lets down the hardware.

[@lellotrello2338]

Without the usual wahoo mips screen, it looks like a 1050 / Karoo 3 with worse software. The air sensor seems fun though

[@ancientrouleur]

Great review. I've never been a fan of Wahoo head units but at least previous versions were functional. Apparently using customers as alpha-testers for unfinished products has bled into the cycling world. :(

[@buzzman4860]

The sensor collection data on a large scale is huge. If Wahoo is capturing it.

[@ryoukokonpaku1575]

I think the wind sensor is interesting but definitely agree that they'll need to iron out on making the data easier to digest for users without having to do math. As for the Cda, I'm sure they can actually make a reasonable estimate for it if the headunit has the right sensors connected. This requires speed✅, power (❓), and airspeed ✅. From there you can back calculate Cda by making assumptions on drivetrain efficiency and rolling resistance to get an estimated drag the rider is facing. It won't be wind tunnel level accurate, but it should give you a pretty decent guess assuming they use a reasonable baseline for drivetrain efficiency and rolling resistance.

[@tinshield]

Trailforks is supported on the other models. It syncs your saved/wish list to the routes list.

[@MacMasore]

At least even with all the flaws it’s better than the Shimano power meter 😅

[@noamharari2409]

Thank you very much for this amazing overview and review

[@NeilLavitt]

Wow! So they just rushed it out! Thanks for the real heads up to this. I guess we’ll all assemble back in half a year and do a real comparison.

[@ShawnIsBatman]

Your review is always the first that I watch (followed closely by GPLama) and for good reason. Thanks for the great review, I have never been a Wahoo user for bike computers and based on this review, there is no reason for me to consider switching at this point.

[@dperreno]

I have always been a Wahoo user and I really appreciate this review as well. This Ace truly is only half baked from a software perspective. However, compared to my Roam V2, I can see that the UI is quite different and much deeper on this Ace unit. If they can just clean it up and make the changes that Ray is suggesting, I think this could be a pretty nice device. If you don't mind having something the size of a smartphone sitting in front of your handlebars. Personally, I'm just hoping that some of the enhancements (profiles, for example) are ported down to my Roam.

[@KWPS]

When your target is Black Friday, user experience be damned.

[@ThomasIsBored]

Just bought a Roam last week because I didn't know about the ace. Now I'm glad I didn't :D

[@qwer55555555]

6:20 so they now adding pitot tubes to the bike computers :D What a time to be living :P

[@Dcrainmaker]

Fun fact, first unit to do so was almost 20 years ago!