DCS 2.9 update is HERE! | DLSS Performance in VR | First Impressions

[@laubox]

Just a quick Test in the Pimax Crystal. I will work hard to get a DCS 2.9 VR settings guide out there for all main headsets. But that will take some time! The future of VR is bright for simulation games. This is just the beginning of something amazing!

[@TheRealSlimSteve]

You need to do a test with DLSS set to balanced, but crucially, pixel density cranked to max (2.5). For some odd reason, the pixel density does not seem to affect frame rates too much with DLSS, a little bit but not too much (high PD massacres frame rates with other AA settings), and it looks crystal clear with MDF's, landscape etc. Must be something to do with the clever algorithm that DLSS uses. Give it a try. If it works for you as well, then do a video!! I'm on a 4080 with 64g Ram FYI.

[@efraimk1673]

I get about a 20-30% increase in frames with dlss quality/balanced. Image is mostly unchanged in terms of clarity but the aliasing is almost completely gone, alot better thatn msaa 4x. There is also slight ghosting from aircraft in the sky, but a very good improvement overall. Rtx 3080 I7 9700K 32gb RAM Nvme drive Quest Pro

[@xFlowXxX]

Slight ghosting ? Using Quest 3 I get horrendous ghosting in DCS Almost same setup as yours but a r7 5800x

[@smok4101]

Hi, is the multi core feature in the open beta by default now, or do we have to load using the seperate exe?

[@_MarkV_]

Similar experience but on a Pimax crystal

[@SteelbeastsCavalry]

I have the 3090 and a similar setup and I see like a 10% increase in smoothness in VR... but then stuttering.

[@laubox]

Good to hear Efraim. Thanks for sharing these results!

[@hobikit]

Hi, if I may suggest, use of a standardized mission will be helpful for everyone for their own comparison. I personally use F16 training mission 5 (DED) as all of my comparison of settings. It is paused, has traffics, and everyone can reperform so comparison is standard. It helps a lot of people.

[@laubox]

Thanks buddy! Will keep this in mind!

[@minifoldbattles1371]

The guy used f16, so I think it could help to use standard missions. Your point is also valid, but unfortunately free plane model is simplified compared to clickable. doesn’t represent the real fps need that most vr user is using. worth noting that if you play DCS with VR you would normally own a premium module, and the most popular will be, hornet and viper.

[@paristo]

Sorry, but it needs to be done with Su-25T. Everyone has it installed, it has all features, and it has missions...

[@axev133]

For about a week I have used the VR (Pimax Crystal) setting advice from Tally Mouse for DCS and he also provided a separate video for MS2020. The only thing I added to his settings is that I use the override resolution settings (around 3558 x 4211) in the OpenXR Toolkit settings (in-game) since that improved the framerate. I use pretty high VR settings in both simulators, but I use I9-13900K/RTX4090/64GB Ram DDR5/5600 and fast MSSD. The link to Tally Mouse DCS settings: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2fKZmuIi7Wci8U

[@laubox]

Thanks for the link buddy! Gonna check it out. Appreciate the comment!

[@JobraKai]

HUGE decrease to the jitters (virtually none), huge increase in frames in vr and outside of vr. Been waiting for improvement like this for a looooooong time. 3070 / Ryzen 5 3600 / 32gbRAM

[@laubox]

Good to hear buddy! Enjoy your flight

[@cowboycasserole8304]

What are your settings in dcs if you don't mind sharing?

[@hyunchulshim3195]

Please share your settings!!

[@jayphoenix2709]

Really good, it's just enough to push that extra resolution on the G2 with MR its super niceeeee. Very happy very impressed.

[@davewills6121]

Have a G2, yet since upgrading to the Tobi5, it just doesn't get used anymore, the freedom, not having to use those dire VR Controllers, my ''Virpils/StreamDeck/C-Panel'' are front and center with the Tobi, awesome. Glad you enjoy VR

[@bTusler]

The gains I got in DLSS I lost in having to back to a single CPU. For some reason many of us on the forums are experiencing massive pausing and momentary freezing when using the Multi Threading start up in DCS. When they get that fixed all will be great. I am sure they will fix it quick.

[@vracan]

I agree! cant believe multi-threading still not fully released

[@EasyTiger700]

I’ll try dcs again today and see if it’s any better with 2.9 . My previous vr experience with 2.8 even using my new rig, ( water cooled and overclocked 4090/ i9 7950x/ combo with 64gb ddr5 ) was not that great. I had Constant Ground stutter and blurred vision 50 meters out from the C/pit. Every plane and every map required different settings. All in All not much fun. I very much hope it’s improved now with 2.9 as I bought the new rig ( all 7k euro of it ) solely for the purpose of flying dcs in vr . So disappointed was I with the results that I haven’t even switched the new rig on or played dcs in the last 2 months. My old rig still works just fine for everything else I need, Hopefully 2.9 will have improved things somewhat.

[@laubox]

With that setup - of what o have seen - vr people can run DCs great. Aren't you running it on a too high resolution?

[@bjrnchrstn]

Maybe it was because my previous vr settings sucked but with dlss on Quality and sharpening on max I had definitly have a better experience. Better as in sharper whilst running 50-55 fps. Im happy tbh.

[@laubox]

Ow that's great to hear and thanks for sharing your results. I will also have to test this out a bit more!

[@Avetorro]

My only impression of DLSS in VR was turn it off. For flat a screen only. It’s not all about fps

[@laubox]

Can't agree more!

[@TRX25EX]

DLSS on paper is best thing that will happen to VR, it's just Nvidia not giving VR attention but if they do with DLSS 3.5 I can assure you it's a game changer for VR, ask developers and you will know, thankfully with Quest 3 we might get VR attention now from Nvidia and developers

[@TheRealSlimSteve]

It works great if you set DLSS to balanced, and crank your pixel density to max (2.5). For some reason DLSS doesn't create a massive FPS hit with higher pixel density, and MFD's, textures etc look really sharp. Never heard anyone suggest this before (always saying keep PD at 1.2-1.5), but I just gave it a go, and it's blown me away. Try it. (I've got a 4080 and 64g ram FYI).

[@Avetorro]

@@TheRealSlimSteve where do you set this up …nvidia control panel?

[@TheRealSlimSteve]

@@Avetorro Pixel Density is on the VR tab in DCS. Give it a try and feedback on here please - I'm curious if this works for everyone or if its just me! It's really good.

[@susannemaier8315]

In my Crystal with DFR enabled, all these settings do nothing good. Just use the eyetracking, put the center to 200% and no AA or DLSS is needed. I assume the DFR overrules the DLSS anyway as it calculates its own picture.

[@flavnet]

On my PC (i7 13th gen, 32 GB RAM, NvMe 2TB, RTX3080) the only way to have decent playability of 2.9 is to activate DLSS (balance). However, compared to the latest version of 2.8 (MSAA 4X) I observe a significant reduction in graphic quality but also in playability (stuttering). For now it seems like a step backwards. I hope it wasn't an operation to make you want an RTX4090!!!

[@paulsaunders6536]

Any compromise to a 100% render scale will reduce sharpness. As ever it’s a question of finding the sweet spot for your own PC where you get an acceptable level of clarity versus frame rate. There are so many variables both in settings and the in game flight mission that constant tweaking is always going to be necessary. There is no magic bullet that will accommodate all situations unless you can run the game at those settings in a densely populated mission. Getting 50-60 fps flying a single aircraft over the Dubai map in VR isn’t really an indicator of optimal settings.

[@alistairmartins]

Cant wait to use this on my RTX 3060 Laptop already its pretty decent after thr multi core update

[@WatchMysh]

Subbed! Give that settings guide! :)

[@laubox]

Pfff. Working on it hard. Give me a week tho! Thanks for the sub, very much appreciated

[@nikolapatrcevic5489]

Try alt - tabbing once and see where the dlss voyage takes you

[@thexpatplanner]

I used DLSS quality and the aliasing is almost completely gone which is great. However the cockpit instruments are not as clear, quite blurry. Any suggestions how I improve that? I have Oculus Quest 2 and 3070 graphics card.

[@AsreiMurasame]

DLSS compounds TAA and FXAA so you can't get rid of the blurriness perma get rid of the bluriness. The only way to reduce it is the quality setting and the reason why is that is also the lowest hit to the resolution rendered so it's sharper by nature. DLAA though doesn't seem to make things as blurry but it does not improve performance. However I notice it's sharper than TAA without the bluriness of FXAA.

[@Erdnussflipshow]

Would've been nice to see gpu, cpu, and ram usage. Looking at the specs I'd say the 9900k is the weakest link, which would explain why non of tte options go above 60fps, but actually seeing the usage would be a clear indication

[@bartbroekhuizen5617]

FSR and DLSS works better with higher resolutions then 1080p. You should at least go above 1440p to get better results.

[@DmitryTim]

As the ED mentioned in patch notes, DLSS is highly dependant on your CPU. If your processor is not able to provide necessary computations, DLSS will not give any performance gain. Probably this is what author is observing.

[@armoredmirage3580]

This is simple really; DLSS won't help you if you're CPU bottlenecked, which is what most the issue is for DCS players. You were testing it in a very GPU light situation of just flying high and looking at MFD's. Frame generation should help though as that means the GPU just makes its own extra frames essentially; but that's only on 40xx cards and DLSS 3.5 which isn't implemented in DCS.

[@adr1uno638]

Curious about the result of Fluid Motion Frame on DCS

[@Brain__]

I saw almost no fps increase, though the game looked way worse, as if someone put some painting filter on everything and blurred stuff. Sometimes even having parts of my cockpit trail

[@gnomisa]

Problem is DLSS still has ghostings behind planes. So im back to msaa but with mt.exe. Pitty since dlss upped my fps by 60. DLAA has less ghosting and blur than DLSS but fps gain is minimal. That is on monitor.

[@laubox]

That is unfortunate! 60 Fps boost is sick tho.

[@toontonic]

If anything you could lose FPS with DLAA, as it doesn't downscale the original image. Should be a better picture with DLAA on.

[@Topper_Harley68]

F-15 mfd radar looks bad with dlss in vr (G2) if's like you removed contrast and added a lot of motion blur.

[@laubox]

With dlss set to quality and some sharpening applied?

[@delecmad]

​@@lauboxyes it's ghosting

[@TimmyRH]

@@laubox even with just DLAA you can see ghosting on mfds (at least in Apache)

[@zobbyirre8743]

Hi very interesting video !! Did you make these tests in a MP server or in a solo mission in-game, please ?

[@andrewculley8524]

Totally unplayable in VR with DLSS I had to switch it off. Unable to read gauges etc. Settled on DLAA on instead

[@Shifty2805]

I tried different settings and it came to my attention that in general the graphics were a bit worse, or it caused some stuttering. I also noticed a lot of ghosting. So, for me it isn't a major win. I look forward to seeing your settingsvideo for the best performance in VR, maybe that'll work! My rig: RTX3080, i9-10900k, 32GB RAM and Oculus Quest 2.

[@Slay0r815]

I've got a DLSS related graphic issue: the ground texture change its “tone” or“Dark&light” when changing view angles. The map was Normandy, I haven't tried other maps yet. Happens only when i turn DLSS on. Anyone else has the same problem, or just me?

[@Doitforthegals]

I have the older version 2.5 something. I don't want to update it because I lose mod functions. Any way to force DLSS for VR on earlier versions?

[@goddamn_i_love_flying]

I have a RTX 2080 Super and my DLSS Option is greyed out when i am in SteamVR. Any ideas?

[@Aviator-ce1hl]

But which GPU are you using? Different GPUs have different results with the upscaling system. Anyway with my old Rift S I simply increase the pixel density and I can see everything very well. Unfortunately has some dorr effect that makes it diffito see far away airplanes. And I think I'm using MSAA, now is some time I don't play with it... Inwant to change VR but I don't know which one to get, I feel each VR on the market now have something that it is not ok. Pimax too big and heavy, Quest 3 doesn't use a dvi to connect and so on... why Meta just didn't update the Rift S with the new screens and lenses..... so frustrating...

[@chasebender624]

I have a 3060 RTX i cant activate DLSS only MSAA what should i do ?

[@jameslooby1816]

YAY!

[@draftgo4895]

how do you use upscaling?

[@NapFishSlap]

And i still cant run DCS on a 3060 on minimum settings...

[@ATP-Flo]

Tbh you should have tested it with optimized settings and not just with default settings. I bet if you optimize it a little bit you can get way more FPS while maintaining image quality. I recommend using DLSS Quality instead of MSAA. MSAA really kills FPS in DCS in VR especially when set to more than 2x. DLSS basically removes any aliasing while even giving more FPS. Also DLSS Quality shouldn't decrease image quality at all. And it has to be said that DLSS (ini files in DCS folder) can be updated and improve later on for even better image upsampling. For a first release these few extra FPS are much appreciated.

[@JfredAH1W]

Please explain why DLSS shouldn't decrease image quality? Can't wait for the answer. And some nVidia guys too.

[@MegaladonIsReal]

Im kind of discouraged was hoping to get the 4080 super when its out to run maxed out settings and I definitely need 90fps with the Reverb G2, seems like 4090 is the only option but with these prices not very worth it. so in the end would have to use motion reprojection and have the blurry effects.

[@markthegamer5304]

I can reach 75 fps in level flight at 4k in VR without FSR, curious to see what it looks like with FSR

[@vividpsychosis8222]

I just picked up the PIMAX Crystal...any videos or tips on how to get it to work with DCS World? It looks absolutely terrible =( I have a RTX 4090 Also, my latest update was 2.8 DCS, any help on how to get it to 2.9?

[@Shaheen47Falcon]

hey nice video. is there any way i can play dcs on big screen using virtual desktop on quest 3?

[@hook86]

Why not just use the built in software...

[@laubox]

Yeah I have played DCs in the Virtual Desktop screen. Made it with big and was quite a fun experience

[@HeyRnold]

I just wish I could use my vr hands since I ain’t got room for hotas. Biggest let down for me 😔 I guess I’ll stay on vtol

[@gauzalpha5318]

Nice try with dlss quality but still too blurry compare to msaa, and for a minimal gain performance

[@laubox]

During my first impressions I have to agree with that. However dlaa aa without upscaling looked quite ok to me. Need to do more testing

[@BoroRoboDorobo]

DLSS3 and FSR3 with Frame Generation might be help in this CPU bottleneck. The problem is both are currently not supported. But if you have an AMD 6000/7000 series GPU, you can use the new Driver Base Frame Generation, also known as AFMF. It has a problem with fast-paced movement games but in DCS its might be useful.

[@inVINSONable1]

I also have a 3090, and I am running in 5K (4096x2380) and my settings are vastly higher than yours with traffic, SSAO, SSxx, MSAA all maxed out along with basicaslly maxed everything and I run an easy 40-60fps. How is yours running equal in 1080 while using DLAA, DLSS, and a fifth of the pixel load ? Just want to also throw in there my CPU is 10 years old as it's the x99 5960X in 22nm clocked to 4.6ghz. My RAM is @ 2800mhz DDR4 running in quad channel, and my SSD is a Samsung 980 Pro NVME M.2 drive as well. How can we get such a weird performance difference ?

[@laubox]

Thanks for the comment mate! But the 1080 is just the flat screen resolution . The VR render is soemning 3xxx X 3xxx - got a 3080ti here

[@RogueBeatsARG]

They using FSR 1 instead of 2.1?

[@laubox]

I think it is 1 but anyone correct me if I'm wrong

[@zoranbrasnjo7488]

No upscaling in ST version? Am I alone here?

[@laubox]

Yeah I think this only applies to the open bèta one for now

[@zoranbrasnjo7488]

@@laubox you don't understand. I am talking about 2.9 beta single thread version. Upscaling option is grayed out in the settings. There are 2 versions of every beta from some 2.8 edition. ST and MT

[@laubox]

@@zoranbrasnjo7488 that is strange. Than I don't know. Have you tried switching the AA option to dlaa to see if it opens up?

[@zoranbrasnjo7488]

@@laubox in the AA option I have; off, MSAA, TA(grayed out), DLAA(grayed out). In the upscaling option everything is grayed out(not available) even if AA is off.

[@paulsaunders6536]

Quad view DFR , most settings on high native res in sim and Pimax crystal. I get around 75-80 on the flight that you demo’s. RTX 4090 and i7-10700k CPU. No MSSA, no motion smoothing. Best I’ve ever seen in terms of graphical quality in VR. Same flight native res with a g2 i got 90 FPS, dipping when lowdown over cities. Dubai is a frame friendly area. Guam and Syria are much more demanding. Any DLSS is a compromise in clarity. Clarity is king for me. Of course, you need the hardware to achieve it.

[@MyMatK]

hi, i have Gf4070ti with latest drivers, i also use VR HP Reverb G2. In the game i cant change the setting to DLLS, any idea why? or how to changed it? thx

[@Bronco-1776]

I can't change my settings to DLLS either. Would be nice to know why!

[@MyMatK]

@@Bronco-1776 I found out after 5 months :D its MT.......VR Multi threading

[@Bronco-1776]

@@MyMatK I found out I can't change them because my graphics card is not good enough.

[@magsudhuseynzade5030]

I like the DLSS a lot more in VR, however it makes far away targets extremely hard to see any fix for that?

[@Rickmanou81293]

Unless it's a bug, not really. This is because the less pixels DLSS has to work with, the blurrier the image will be. So turning it to quality mode from performance will render more pixels and reduce performance but will provide a clearer image.

[@Shinobi117]

Open beta only? Or does stable have this update as well?

[@Joejoe-vd2do]

Open Beta only for now.

[@ShuRugal]

DLSS to Quality with Index and RTX3070TI took me from 30-40 FPS to a reliable 45-50, AND improved my render quality, since i was having to run pixel density rather low without DLSS enabled. really happy with this.

[@NyteStalker89]

DLSS is going to improve 1% lows, so more consistent at the cost of visual fidelity and sharpness

[@rama7267]

Then theres me, who doesnt even know how to activate DLSS neither does the NVidia driver register DCS as game for me to turn it on from there

[@laubox]

Make sure you updated the game first via the launcher. Also make sure to have installed the open bèta version of DCs and not the standard one :)

[@SJkopa]

quest3???

[@Mightymamba]

Hey man I know you are out here doing your thing and I'm not trying to harp on you too much. That being said I do have some I'd like to raise with you. That Is you used DLSS on a RTX 3080TI which I know (from a friend) how good that GPU Is, the problem Is that DLSS that ED put In was DLSS 3.0 which Is built for RTX 4000 series GPU's. So I can appreciate you can only go off on the hardware that you have on hand or what you use. but my thing Is I feel like that's information Is something that you should have mentioned when putting your video together so people know there might me more of a performance gain with RTX 40 series card. again, it also depends on what CPUs people have to but will still give you boost. :)

[@laubox]

Thanks for your comment and information buddy. As to my knowledge super resolution and dlaa - dlss 2, 3 And 3.5 are supported by all rtx cards. Only frame generation on dlss 3 and 3.5 is supported by rtx 4xxx cards. Anyway, complex! Haha

[@M.Q95]

Meanwhile poor me plays on a potato laptop that seems to want to fly out of the roof when I play in VR at the lowest settings but I still do it anyway

[@noname2031-w5r]

thanks im not too impresssed with update for VR

[@theshawnmccown]

No good for triple screen users. I have VR also but use triple screen more so this update will likely not do much for me.

[@theshawnmccown]

Download finally finished. I was wrong. I'm getting about 10-15 fps boost on Marianas flying low and 60fps (screens are 60htz 55") consistently on Caucasus. My triple screen res is 11,520 x 2,160. Graphics settings on High. DLSS setting to Performance for Marianas and Quality for Caucasus. GTX 4080. CPU - i7 10700K. 64GB of ram. Running DCS World in Multi-thread. I'm not using Nvidia Surround, but just setting left most screen as primary.

[@laubox]

Pretty awesome results right?! I mean a 10 to 15 fps boost is a dream for many 😁 I appreciate you sharing your results here!

[@theshawnmccown]

@laubox It's a great advancement. Makes me have hope that we could see triple screen or triple projection 4K @ 120fps within the next two generations of Nvidia video cards. VR is going to see big moves forward, too. It's a great time to be into sim racing and sim flight.

[@stoyantodorov2133]

I wonder if anyone has tested this with older GPU like 1080ti.

[@PhotoJohn80]

Seems to me you are hitting a cpu bottleneck since ultra performance dlss doesn’t run that much better than quality mode. Just guessing. What cpu do you have? NM I see now. I really think it’s a cpu bottleneck. 9900K is quite old now. Sims are very cpu demanding.

[@decadent.]

Yes, I agree. You need something like a 7800X3D to see the significant benefits.

[@laubox]

Good point there jrfeimst! Yeah I'm aware of the bottleneck however. Also on a free flight with nothing out there?

[@PhotoJohn80]

@@laubox maybe? I don’t have the game honestly but just driving around a race track with no other cars in ACC is demanding on my cpu in VR and I have a 5900x

[@robertmeppelink4982]

Goed werK! Ik twijfel voor een nieuwe GPU nog steeds tussen een RTX 4080 en een RX7900 XTX en DCS VR is de bottleneck. Dus in 2.9 DLSS is behoorlijk beter. Dat is een overtuigend argument voor Nvidia. En MSFS doet ook aan DLSS...

[@new_comment]

I don't use vr, but the sim is unplayable for tons of us after the update. The display flashing, the ghosting, the blurriness it's terrible!

[@ytwos1]

Hi Laurens, (ga ik even van uit). Merely spreek je niet uit als merrily. “Merely a first version”. Het klinkt dan als “mier”, mierlie(f).

[@DB-be9wy]

Get out of here. The image is so grainy and blurred with dlss on in VR compared to msaa. How could anyone say the image is the same. Anyone that says that is lying and a shill. Maybe on a monitor it passes but in a headset forget it.

[@WatchMysh]

Shit... Did you already try it out? I had high hopes for DLSS VR. :(

[@xFlowXxX]

Well, while it was true for DLSS up to 2.0 the last 3.5 is quiet impressive keeping the quality

[@rotormann]

Yup, way too blurry with diss in VR. I’m playing with a Pimax Crystal, RTX 4090, i9 13900K - and fortunately with the help of Quadview Foveated rendering I don’t need dlss. Dlss was a blurry mess even in high Quality mode too. If anyone is happy with dlss in VR in DCS now …well.. maybe they have a low resolution headset anyway and don’t notice the big difference.

[@PeteV80]

What's your headset? It's good on quest 3 with openxr upscaling

[@PeteV80]

What's your headset? It's good on quest 3 with openxr upscaling

[@biv000]

After a night of testing I have landed on DLSS Quality in my Reverb G2 RTX3080 12900k. I have to run with MR on. To be honest there is not much difference between this and using 80% upscaling in OPenXR Toolkit in DCS version 2.8. The quality is a little better but there is some ghosting in the MFD's. For some reason DCS 2.9 crashes and freezes unless I disable OpenXR Toolkit and force MR on in the OpenXR Tools for Windows. I would like to know if anyone else has this problem.

[@cienciaefe-danieltrindade]

Anyone having trouble with ghosting? Feels wierd...

[@tigger1376]

Yes, it's horrible

[@skykid1075]

I HAVE GEN4 PC LOL

[@pawelboczon]

DSLL is never good idea for VR, I don't know why whould anyone get hyped over it. I use OpenXR Toolkit with NIS upscaling, it works well plus since you can't use ReshadeVR with the MT you can set shadows, exposure, contrasts, highlights and vibr/saturation in the toolkit. The good things from this update are sharpening slider and the fact that client doesn't restart after every change. Overall since the MT DCS has come a long way and id say performance is good, obviously you need good pc to run it in VR but thats just how it is 🤷

[@paeturis]

Clicked because of Mi-24 😞

[@rogermorse_]

This game runs worse than MSFS with 10% of the graphics...was really underwhelmed when I tried it in VR (3080). 60fps is still much too little for VR.

[@davedanter]

I know some gamers like VR, yet after completing ALYX with my G2, it kinda turned me off VR for good. Much prefer the more advanced Tobi 5 and Trackhat. If they ever pull their finger out and make VR headsets half the size and cable free for hiRes PC gaming i might come back. VR's development seems stagnant and kinda in the past. Shame its still niche.

[@VR_combat_flight_simmer]

While I agree it's not there yet, it's anything but stagnant. Look at all the newest ones that have come out and compare them to last year's headsets. Leaps and bounds. Look at bigscreen beyond super tiny. All that missing from that is wireless, maybe better lenses. But that won't happen for a few gens.

[@PhotoJohn80]

Why did it turn you off exactly? Just curious. I was going to buy a G2 but it seemed to have too many tracking issues and windows mixed reality is kinda of garbage.

[@davedanter]

@@PhotoJohn80 With some tweaking the G2 was Ok, performed just fine and ALYX was exceptional, yet i play a lot of DCS/MSFS/XP12/Elite/Star Citizen, and wasn't willing to compromise on controllers over Joysticks/Stream deck/Tablets and monitors. Without being rude, fumbling around like a blind man isn't my idea of fun. VR should be far more advanced by now, i just feel its heading the way of 3D TV's. I must admit i never had any Nausea, headaches or dizzyness. When it works, VR is damm good, Alien Isolation was also very immersive. Enjoy your VR.

[@Bronco-1776]

I can assure all that I will never be caught sitting around with my vision blocked by a VR headset and cut off from my hands and other people. I think VR is only for passive activities like watching a movie.

[@davedanter]

@@Bronco-1776 It needs to be much smaller, completely wireless with better optics and at a reasonable price. Secondly like 3DTV, anti social. Make them smaller, and cheaper, so like 3d, you can hand a spare HS to a friend or family member.

[@adenfirdaus6137]

I believe I can't fly the game, too difficult, too realistic isn't fun at all 🤔😒🙄😌😔😩😫

[@ATP-Flo]

Huge CPU bottleneck here. Don't upload such comparisons without showing your GPU utilization. Switching between DLSS modes should show a significant change in FPS and not these 1-10 FPS. You are totally bottlenecked by your system.

[@ProGamer-gc3wv]

Its still crap for VR. I mean just look at your settings, makes nonsense all that together. Rather play in 2D with maxed out settings. I am waiting for the day to come a new special VR device special for heavy games, like a VR device with i9 CPU and some support for the rendering- I even would pay 1000-2000 USD for such shit

[@romans6696]

Did you try it? What headset/system do you have??

[@vraven1327]

Get a ryzen9 and a 7900xtx. For the money it's been my best experience with VR on DCS

[@FordSierraIS]

what?? i didnt play for a while but after the multicore update i had easy super stable capped 90fps. you must have some slow ass computer

[@TimmyRH]

@@FordSierraIS I have 4090 and it's impossible to get 90 fps in Apache on ultra settings with Varjo Aero

[@FordSierraIS]

@@TimmyRH who said it has to be on ultra? maybe i don understand what he is trying to say but he says its still crap for vr which i think is a very strange statement considering the fps boost good setups got form the mt update and now dlss

[@kurt120032002]

this looks bad to be honest I left DC around 2.6 I believe. At 2.0 I had 85 fps in test and never touch the settings. In 2.6 I had 45. What changed between 2.0 to 2.6? Nothing. No game AI improvement, nothing to explain a 40fps drop with 2 planes on the entire map. and nobody spamming any rockets or bombs. Now if we start at an average of 55fps, how low with that drop in 1-2 versions? and 2nd 55fps is not really playable in vr. You hit the deck to close the range to a SAM or sneak in, and it will not be a nice experience. I wanted to get a new PC and get in to VR but this is not a good vr experience. With a 4090 I believe will be around 75 fps, but again 75 FPS alone in the sky will not translate in to a fun experience when everyone gets trigger happy and you hit the deck.

[@Cesko_Plny_Fialovejch_Zmrdu]

I literally cannot turn any upscaling on.Its all in grey

[@asny23]

use the multithreading executable

[@Cesko_Plny_Fialovejch_Zmrdu]

@@asny23 thank you. Didn't though about it

[@monkatron]

QUESTION FOR ALL THE VR USERS!!! how the fuck you guys playing vr on dcs standalone?