de_prime - How Far from the Source can it get?

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3kliksphilip

3kliksphilip

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@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! I’m celery- I was the artist on Prime. While helping 3kliks with this video and during the time of the map’s release I was interviewing at a few game studios. I’d love to let everyone know that I’m now a full time artist working at EA on the new skate game. I’d just like to thank the Counter-Strike community for so kindly welcoming this level, and my other work for CSGO. I wouldn’t have gotten to where I am now without the help of the rest of the CS community. Thank you so much for all the love!!!
@aeronautisch
@aeronautisch 2 жыл бұрын
de_prime looks amazing. It reminds me greatly of Portal 2 due to all the foliage and torn environment.
@tacticalistic
@tacticalistic 2 жыл бұрын
imagine a map based on Aperture Science Labs with this grown green style i would love it!
@viktorpettersson9975
@viktorpettersson9975 2 жыл бұрын
HUUUUGE!!
@theduke2539
@theduke2539 2 жыл бұрын
skate just got way cooler
@NorthWestPvPlolrektnoob
@NorthWestPvPlolrektnoob 2 жыл бұрын
EA is going to ruin skate 4 RIP making it an online game
@thennoth2860
@thennoth2860 2 жыл бұрын
to be honest, this is probably the most beautiful map I've seen in source. I don't care about how it'd play or any issues with how it interacts with certain gameplay mechanics. this is an incredible work of art.
@LeDerpLegend
@LeDerpLegend 2 жыл бұрын
You should take a look at the game Black Mesa. Especially Xen
@szoopzoop
@szoopzoop 2 жыл бұрын
the power of baked lighting. i love it
@thennoth2860
@thennoth2860 2 жыл бұрын
@@LeDerpLegend Black Mesa's Zen is very beautiful, I agree, but it isn't meant to be realistic. this map has gone for a realistic look and it looks fantastic
@Noobgalaxies
@Noobgalaxies 2 жыл бұрын
@@thennoth2860 Check out the upcoming Portal 2: Desolation mod, it's mindblowing
@staryoshi06
@staryoshi06 2 жыл бұрын
Check out the game INFRA, it's one of the most beautiful Source games.
@AshtonRob
@AshtonRob 2 жыл бұрын
3kliks, this video was incredible. This new style of voice narrating is great and energetic, the editing is great and understandable, and it oozes passion for the subject. Glad to still be seeing improvements so many years later! Also, what a cool fucking map, I'm gonna download it for some wallpapers!
@h4lley_c0met
@h4lley_c0met 2 жыл бұрын
same here! the pacing, the editing and the narration was just top-notch classic philip ;)
@vaece_
@vaece_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@h4lley_c0met hi
@h4lley_c0met
@h4lley_c0met 2 жыл бұрын
@@vaece_ omg this made my day. I love u
@vaece_
@vaece_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@h4lley_c0met
@h4lley_c0met
@h4lley_c0met 2 жыл бұрын
@@vaece_ lets play together sometime in the next weeks. k?
@Funnymoney101
@Funnymoney101 2 жыл бұрын
5:53 I've watched far too many 3kliksphilip videos for anyone to convince me that this wasn't intentionally pronounced "Morbs."
@ng.tr.s.p.1254
@ng.tr.s.p.1254 2 жыл бұрын
sus amorbus
@Funnymoney101
@Funnymoney101 2 жыл бұрын
I KNEW IT
@awsomebot1
@awsomebot1 2 жыл бұрын
Literally paused the video right there and went into comments with ctrl+f "morb"
@Waffle_6
@Waffle_6 2 жыл бұрын
i glad i wasnt the only one
@inv41id
@inv41id 2 жыл бұрын
@@awsomebot1 Same here
@xzraiderzx308
@xzraiderzx308 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting to see that this map was partly a predecessor to CS2s art style, soft ambient occlusion and exaggerated global illumination with really shiny and bumpy surfaces, only thing that’s missing is really bright and vivid contrast.
@celeryslice
@celeryslice Жыл бұрын
It was surprising to me too! Whether it was coincidence or not, I think I at least was able to capture the spirit of Counter-Strike's visual style while still pushing it in new ways.
@NightGhost1400
@NightGhost1400 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who is a friend of Wills I am constantly impressed by the amount of effort they put into their creations. When you talk to them they seem like a playful every day normal mapper. They seem nice and somewhat knowledgeable and never brag about their own skill. Hell I didn't even find out that Hive was their map till one night we we're playing on the map and i asked "damn this is so cool i wonder who made this." lol
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
❤️
@BannedProbably
@BannedProbably 2 жыл бұрын
how did that full convo end up going haha
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
@@BannedProbably eh I just said I had made some of the models and textures for it and that was about it lmao
@DiggerDeeper01
@DiggerDeeper01 2 жыл бұрын
I bet you said "Nah, no way you made this."
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
@@DiggerDeeper01 I have a “map coin” for hive as a pin on my CSGO account plus there’s an Easter egg with my name in the map so it wasn’t that hard to believe I think lol
@SoggyMicrowaveNugget
@SoggyMicrowaveNugget 2 жыл бұрын
I find it really interesting how "Pushing source to it's limits" usually means using Environment modeling techniques that have existed for years. Like I used to do a lot of amatuer mapping in Portal 1&2 and hl2 maps.... Now I have a few Mini campaigns in HL:A , But seeing these creative individuals Brut force an Aging engine to look better is so impressive. When I got a taste of Unity,UE and S2 it was so easy to see that with a Fraction of the effort you could make something that out shined Source mapping. To me it's like when modern artists Choose to oil paint, Purposefully choosing to use a technique used in the 7th century. Source can look gorgeous even today, but Imagine if they WEREN'T hindered by these tools they choose to use? Much love and deep respect to the Mappers if you're here!!! ❤️👌
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
🥰
@blueclipsa
@blueclipsa 2 жыл бұрын
@@celeryslice hey, you're the guy!!
@D3ltus
@D3ltus 2 жыл бұрын
oil painting is not the best comparison, but I'd say it's the difference between Gioto and Faber-Castell
@RADkate
@RADkate 2 жыл бұрын
yeah but its more of a ignoracne is bliss situation since you dont have to worry about draw calls, overdraw and dont have to Setup 30 different materials
@elliejohnson2786
@elliejohnson2786 2 жыл бұрын
its*
@sixsus4880
@sixsus4880 Жыл бұрын
Revisiting it in Source 2 will truly be mindbending
@cemguzel7106
@cemguzel7106 2 жыл бұрын
What a genuine way of selflessly promoting a hard-working university student. Getting them some deserved exposure for their skills and knowledge. Kudos to you too Philip!
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
❤️
@C_Kava
@C_Kava 2 жыл бұрын
@@celeryslice Oh hey celery! If I may ask, are you in university for game art/art stuff or some other unrelated stuff ?
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
@@C_Kava Hi! I'm in community college atm for an Associate's in Arts, and currently looking for a full-time job at a AAA studio, which I plan to then transfer and take 1-2 classes a semester to get a Bachelor's degree in game art.
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
In terms of game art, I started really about two years ago from 0 skill taught myself.
@cemguzel7106
@cemguzel7106 2 жыл бұрын
@@celeryslice Keep up the great work dude! It really is amazing when you take a step back to see how far you've come and educated yourself doing what you like. As another college student working my way into game design, mad respect to you sir! Your work is very inspiring.
@houuse
@houuse 2 жыл бұрын
This map looks beautiful! It's crazy how a 17 year old engine can achieve something like this.
@KarlKognitiv
@KarlKognitiv 2 жыл бұрын
Titanfall.
@houuse
@houuse 2 жыл бұрын
@@KarlKognitiv Good point, but it is a heavily modified version of Source.
@HaliOnRepeat
@HaliOnRepeat 2 жыл бұрын
@@KarlKognitiv Titanfall's build to Source is what Gldsrc is to Quake.
@davidbischi
@davidbischi 2 жыл бұрын
thing is, (as explained) it isnt. It heavily relies on baking PBR textures and materials down to sources ugly and relatively bad glossiness specular non pbr mess of a workflow. the only thing the source engine is doing is giving rough lighting information and information about transparency and reflection. source does raytracing when compiling a map. but modern tools are so much more efficient and realistic than this ancient game engine.
@micho510900
@micho510900 2 жыл бұрын
More like Will is able to achive something like this despite engine limitations :D
@silphone
@silphone 2 жыл бұрын
Your efforts in pronouncing Wolfenstein have not gone unnoticed - also great video overall, thanks for all the pretty footage, technical details and giving insights from the mappers themselves.
@riiyaFGC
@riiyaFGC 2 жыл бұрын
When I heard Phil say it I instantly had to check who commended him on it in the comment section. Fully agreeing with this comment!
@GermanPeter
@GermanPeter 2 жыл бұрын
The Wolfenstein bit caught me off-guard too, most people seem to pronounce it "Woofensteen"!
@silphone
@silphone 2 жыл бұрын
@@riiyaFGC i also expanded all comments and ctrl+f'd for this, but didn't find a comment mentionning it, so i had to write it myself
@TheFibie007
@TheFibie007 2 жыл бұрын
True. Now only getting the O sound right and things are perfect.
@awsomebot1
@awsomebot1 2 жыл бұрын
It's based of him, the way Wolfenstein and Einstein get pronounced in english is bothersome.
@CatsT.M
@CatsT.M Жыл бұрын
This feels like a map made for CS2 now. I hope it gets ported.
@Max-oo1xw
@Max-oo1xw 2 жыл бұрын
I really missed this type of video. Thanks to the mappers and to you for presenting it.
@DaRealBruner
@DaRealBruner 2 жыл бұрын
3:48 Here's a little unknown fun fact about this generator model, it's an early prototype model recycled from Half-Life 2's beta. Counter-Strike: Source tends to recycle a lot of old Half-Life 2 assets, such as the hostages using older versions of the citizen face maps, and one of the hostages even reuses the head of a cut scientist character Dr. Cohrt.
@mitkodimtrov3914
@mitkodimtrov3914 Жыл бұрын
You also watch radhaz Right niko
@tekt_real
@tekt_real 2 жыл бұрын
Very fascinating map! Thanks for covering these sorts of things!
@nomnom3831
@nomnom3831 Жыл бұрын
I really hope they will be able to pull off this kind of fidelity for all of their upcoming maps in source 2! Shouldn't be too hard considering the new tools they are given nowadays.
@MrJinxmaster1
@MrJinxmaster1 2 жыл бұрын
I know it's huge and probably a massive pain to alter but it's such a good tech demo for source I don't know how valve could resist.
@framekixrr
@framekixrr 2 жыл бұрын
It looks amazing, glad you covered this Philip
@MFKitten
@MFKitten 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so excited you're covering this map! :D
@MFKitten
@MFKitten 2 жыл бұрын
I am working on shrinking the audio portion of the map as we are reducing the overall file size of the map a bit. I am also referencing your video on reverb in cs:go to see which reverbs would be nice for each space. I can't wait to see people play this map! Will has been living and breathing this thing for so long now, and when he says a year, that's counting the entire 24 hours of each day. He is a madman.
@robertf7610
@robertf7610 Жыл бұрын
Great, good-looking map. Congratulations on the job / career opportunity, you deserve Celery!
@celeryslice
@celeryslice Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@aprilgwynn
@aprilgwynn 2 жыл бұрын
Looks amazing, I can't even imagine the effort even one of the porting techniques would take. (and always nice to hear they/them used properly, thanks kliks ❤️)
@soldier22881
@soldier22881 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@rxcfr
@rxcfr Жыл бұрын
This should make comeback for cs2
@paschalepus
@paschalepus 2 жыл бұрын
Easily the most beautiful Source map I've ever seen. It's incredible that there are people out there skilled enough to create a map like this in an engine as old and limiting as Source, or even at all.
@kylopootis6489
@kylopootis6489 Жыл бұрын
now imagine pushing source 2 to its limits
@artem7804
@artem7804 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on hitting a million subscribers! I’ve been watching you since you had 300k on your main channel and I truly appreciate all the good content you brought to this community. Lots of love
@prebenjaeger
@prebenjaeger 2 жыл бұрын
4:36 Watching without subtitles, when I heard this I thought to my self that surely Philip has capitalized the W... turned on subs, and sure enough.
@woodyTM
@woodyTM 2 жыл бұрын
I've been making games and mods since before quake and honestly this video makes me quite melancholy. I've gotten older and the industry has seemingly passed me by. Stuff that used to be so intricate and complex but yet highly optimized to fit on a standard CD ROM was an absolute wonder... but now with the endless means of hardware headroom I feel like I've lost touch with what this is all about because honestly the limitations truly defined my works and what I was trying to accomplish. I've been hesitant for decades to opt into newer, alternative, engines and I just feel like I've missed the opportunity all together. I'm easily capable of creating maps like this, but I just don't understand the point of it all anymore.
@mewingrat
@mewingrat 2 жыл бұрын
@@3kliksphilip philip was this written by an ai?
@Sarahsqueak
@Sarahsqueak 2 жыл бұрын
@@mewingrat I doubt it, “AHH” is not how an AI would speak, probably. It has grammar mistakes as well.
@flawmore
@flawmore 2 жыл бұрын
The point has indeed shifted. But you don't have to change with it if you don't want to. There is still room for more retro-games and mods in between all the shiny surfaces. Games such as "papers please", "among us" and "minecraft looks like crap but sold millions, simply because they played well and filled voids. In fact, they would have sold less if they required a 2060RTX to run. Bit of a rant here, but there is no wrong choice. You can either just do what you know, or keep up with the never ending change. Old school car mechanics can't fix new cars, but they're still needed. It's the same everywhere. And if you are capable of creating good, small games I would say you are even at an advantage. There are a lot of games out there, but many are just copies of the same shiny turd.
@moonshine71522
@moonshine71522 2 жыл бұрын
basalt was such a good map man I'm sad they took it out of the rotation
@omster_
@omster_ 2 жыл бұрын
Engage was miles more fun than basalt. Having to play basalt for operation challenges was torture
@TheSearchForTruth88
@TheSearchForTruth88 2 жыл бұрын
They took it out because it's dog shit.
@mateuszgaecki5949
@mateuszgaecki5949 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for Source 2 port. If it comes, of course
@StyxDescension
@StyxDescension 2 жыл бұрын
I really want to play this map myself just to feel how un-source it is. Just from visuals alone, it's stunning. The cracks and fractures in concrete, the wear and tear of pathways and walls, it all looks fantastic.
@Edude_P
@Edude_P 2 жыл бұрын
Celery is a very talented artist! Prime will be fire! 🔥
@Ununoctium-
@Ununoctium- 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you used it for the comparison: at the very start of the video it really looked like it was de_prodigy to me!
@Eisuke261990
@Eisuke261990 2 жыл бұрын
Its fine to say - Will did an AWESOME job. His work started great and every new work becoming more and more a big thing.
@n3vermore771
@n3vermore771 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who is has been learning all facets of game development for the past 3 years and have learned quite a bit about how levels and graphical content for games are created, I have a deep appreciation for people like WIll who take dated engines like Source to their limits to create masterpieces like these. I don't even play CS:GO anymore but would happily take a stroll to explore the map just to look at all the work put into it. PBR has become such a massive part of modern game development and does so much for prop and level artists that sometimes I forget older engines like Source don't support it. I struggle to imagine the countless hours poured into reproducing the effects PBR offers manually. Source 2 can't come soon enough for games like CS:GO and even Dota.
@Darkslayer5551
@Darkslayer5551 2 жыл бұрын
Dota 2 is on source engine 2....
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
Hi!!! Thank you so much! I authored all my assets in PBR and then tried to tune the Source shaders as best I could to mimic it. Not much control, especially on masking reflections in areas that should be shadowed, so a lot of it needed to be subdued :(
@ObsidianObelisk17
@ObsidianObelisk17 2 жыл бұрын
I remember first watching your videos over a decade ago now to make maps for myself in Garry's Mod. I kept on making maps for personal projects up to SFM, once thinking "if a map were made with all props, it wouldn't have those mushy shadows that brushes have. It would be like a scene built in SFM in an empty map." Glad to see someone has tried that out. The result is phenomenal.
@FurryWrecker911
@FurryWrecker911 2 жыл бұрын
This is kinda making me reconsider my life choices as this is stuff we have done at my job for the past 6 years. Never thought to try to port the lessons learned into Counter Strike. Pretty much everything minus Displacements is stuff I'm familiar with. Also fun fact the bus depot HDR image at 7:49 is used in Designer, and is also the default skybox for the Operators screen on Rainbow Six Siege.
@steveskeletonneii6336
@steveskeletonneii6336 2 жыл бұрын
What is your job?
@FurryWrecker911
@FurryWrecker911 2 жыл бұрын
@@steveskeletonneii6336 3D Artist for a simulation company. We pretty much make computer games involving electrical boxes and wire circuits that teach electricians how to not electrocute themselves. My art director was a fan of hiw game studios do 3D art so we've followed that type of workflow
@TheRadioSquare
@TheRadioSquare 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos made me appreciate CSGO maps so much more. The amount of passion, effort, and skill involved is amazing.
@fiddlove
@fiddlove 2 жыл бұрын
The worth of a medium is not determined by its limitations, but by what is achieved despite them.
@zoidicabra
@zoidicabra 2 жыл бұрын
i love your fly by over a map taking cool angles and details, this map is really impressive.
@tirs0d
@tirs0d 2 жыл бұрын
This map is breathtaking. 3 times during my watch of this video did I almost have a heart attack because of: 1- The amount of detail on a skybox that is covered in clouds and fog 2- The amount of props that cover the map 3- The amount of WORK that went into each prop, basically making the entire map outside of source then porting it in Unfathomable.
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
🥰🥰
@DocTHORasu
@DocTHORasu 2 жыл бұрын
It is incredible how much time and effort some CS:GO creators put in their work. And I don't mean just map creators. I mean video content creators like 3kliksphilip that are digging deep into the process of creation, bringing a new angle most of us don't have access to, map creators that are trying to bump up the level design game in a CS:GO that is old and limited by an outdated engine, skin designers that are trying to create different styles of gun skins and so on. The respect I have for those people is enormous and I am so happy when I see that somebody is chasing their passion, even if that passion it is not necessarily very profitable.
@Schaddn
@Schaddn 2 жыл бұрын
"A convincing looking sky morbs into existence" PHILIP
@realmyka
@realmyka 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great content over the years mr Philip
@bon3z810
@bon3z810 2 жыл бұрын
as a 3d artist, man, this is such an enjoyable explanation.
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad!! I helped to make sure it was an accurate as explanation as it could be, and 3kliks helped to make it approachable! :)
@livenletdie0
@livenletdie0 2 жыл бұрын
I'm love the commitment to the ongoing "helluva lot/hell of a lot" bit
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
me too
@EpicGamingKid245
@EpicGamingKid245 3 ай бұрын
this map looks so good
@emberytp
@emberytp 2 жыл бұрын
I was so zen listening to Kitten's background ambient sounds next to Philip's music. Incredible work by Will to get astounding breathtaking visuals, huge props to them for pushing through, and using the best (imo) AA method for foliage 😏
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
❤️
@DartzinhoV
@DartzinhoV 2 жыл бұрын
I was about to comment on how Will's map felt like what Respawn had done with Titanfall (gritty maps using a heavily adapted version of Source) until you mentioned Will had based the map on Titanfall itself
@EdJames0
@EdJames0 2 жыл бұрын
Phill, just want to take time to say thank you for putting the effort into your closed captioning in your vids
@Misuune
@Misuune 2 жыл бұрын
If CS:GO ever gets that Source 2 treatment, I'm sure as hell gonna miss all these crazy well-detailed maps that just do their best to use tricks to make a map for a 2004 engine look truly astonishing. Source 1 might be visually dated, old, janky and awful to work with nowadays but the fact we could create stuff ranging from maps, animations, amateur mods, fully fledged games and more cool stuff that it just makes it impossible for me to NOT admire it for all those years it stayed with us since release of Counter-Strike: Source and Half-Life 2.
@kiliwami4086
@kiliwami4086 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think we'll miss out on such maps. There are millions of people playing cs and probably thousands of mappers, there are so many creative people out there who would want to go even beyond the limitations of source 2
@elliejohnson2786
@elliejohnson2786 2 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! I've been learning model creation and a lot of this is very relevant. Particularly in older games, baking in lighting to the texture itself through things like ambient occlusion or on the model with vertex colours can really help to create more authentic light when it can't be shown by the game's lighting engine.
@telephrag
@telephrag 2 жыл бұрын
Objects casting sharp shadows during overcast weather is my long time problem with videogames. I love cloudy days precisely because shadows are soft and blurry. Videogames can do it right simply by, say, rendering shadows in lower resolution and applying a bit of blur, yet many still don't.
@RoboZombie777
@RoboZombie777 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently the mapper of this is working on Skate 4 now.
@XradicalD
@XradicalD 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully the Source 2 port comes sooner than later, the engine is being pushed to its limits and the old Source workflow just ain't cutting it.
@fitmotheyap
@fitmotheyap 2 жыл бұрын
I think csgo might not get ported to source 2 for a while longer considering all the clickbait on youtube, we have no real info
@megakarlachofficial
@megakarlachofficial 2 жыл бұрын
@@fitmotheyap beside that, porting it to Source 2 would require users to buying a new PC because of system requirements (mostly for those who have a old PC back in early 2010s), not only that, it would break tons of (Source 1) workshop mods/addons/etc... that was unconverted to S2, such as very old one that wasn't been updated a long time while also having the developer inactive for long time. The developer inactive thing may be solved by another modder by decomplie the map but however, doing with something like 100.000+ maps or more would take times, and so with porting them to S2.
@kij1g
@kij1g 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats to the guy/guys who made this map, it also got added
@VFuzball
@VFuzball 2 жыл бұрын
I used to be really involved with the mapping community. I remember I ran a server that Celery used to be a member of. I love seeing these old names pop up in your videos. I only ever made one map but it was nothing special.
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
❤️
@NotSweetland
@NotSweetland 2 жыл бұрын
Source & Unreal are engines that will always amaze me & ill never shy away from.
@Tommo_
@Tommo_ 10 ай бұрын
need a port of this to source 2 O_O
@Malxer
@Malxer 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Really looking forward to what map makers will be able to do once Source 2 releases. Hopefully it eases their work a ton.
@Xeph0r
@Xeph0r 2 жыл бұрын
This is a beautiful map. I wonder what these guys could do if they were working with source 2 instead.
@Foxtrop13
@Foxtrop13 2 жыл бұрын
I like when maps are not a cube with brightness to the max so the competitive player base dont cry
@rockstar-made
@rockstar-made 2 жыл бұрын
Just imagine the kind of maps we'd get if we actually got Source 2
@romenzonez4591
@romenzonez4591 2 жыл бұрын
BETTER DUST 2!
@solaris5303
@solaris5303 2 жыл бұрын
​@@ROBST3RR dust2 is a map for CSGO, which runs on Source 1. The rumors of it being created in S2 Hammer are verifiably false.
@SirYodaJedi
@SirYodaJedi 2 жыл бұрын
@@ROBST3RR that's not how the Source works
@SirYodaJedi
@SirYodaJedi 2 жыл бұрын
@@ROBST3RR Yes, they have backported portions of Source 2 to Source 1. This means that stuff like the UI and audio engine have been adapted from Source 2 code to work in CSGO. This does not mean that a map can be made in Source 2 Hammer (Hammer 5) and ported to CSGO; at best, individual models can be created and baked in Hammer 5, then imported to a CSGO map (which is likely what's going on). Stuff like brushes or displacements just don't really exist in Source 2 the way they they do in Source 1 (there are analogs, but they work completely differently).
@TheSearchForTruth88
@TheSearchForTruth88 2 жыл бұрын
Source 2 will never be released.
@JustLukeMinecraft
@JustLukeMinecraft 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video Philip! It was great to see a more technical video about the source engine and the work mappers have to do to make their models look good in cs go. I think this sort of applies to skin making as well, as you often see skins with custom light data baked in to them even when using normal maps. For the extra detail/looks
@JustLukeMinecraft
@JustLukeMinecraft 2 жыл бұрын
Also good luck with particle effects and smoke grenades, that already sounds painful to do outside of source :p
@finmin2k
@finmin2k 2 жыл бұрын
these trees look so good it's crazy
@m1-
@m1- 2 жыл бұрын
This is very interesting to talk about, super hyped to see the future of Valve in general! All of this just keeps making me thing of an Orange Box 2 even more.
@SylphidUndine
@SylphidUndine 2 жыл бұрын
in my early days of map making (back in 2001--yes that i'm old) 1% of my map consisted of props, but back then they were referred to as 'prefabs'. the rest were just models so a lot of the time if i wanted a custom prop on the spot, like a chair or something, i had to model it myself. i hardly relied on pre-frabricated models that was already provided in the half-life valve hammer editor.
@CanularRadio
@CanularRadio 2 жыл бұрын
2001 dam letsgo
@StriderRBLX
@StriderRBLX 2 жыл бұрын
What song is being used for the first minute or 2
@Kacpa2
@Kacpa2 2 жыл бұрын
Working in spite of the limitation and issues allows for such creativity to flourish. Same as many games done on hardware that had no business being able to run such impressive games. Granted some minor silly issues like smokes breaking and not working correctly with the models in the map should be fixed. But seeing such creativity and detail in more drawn non PBR style is very refreshing and nice to see. I dont like PBR in most cases i seen, tho these cases were mostly awful like Warcraft 3 Reforged which by its destruction of og Wc3 ruined both word 'reforge/reforged' and some of technologies for me like PBR because of its disgusting and unnecessary implementation in something that should be down to earth, faithful remaster, but is anything but such.
@Brawltendo
@Brawltendo 2 жыл бұрын
It’s super easy to make stylized art/materials in physically based renderers though. It’s just up to what the people using it want to make. Essentially exactly what was just shown in this video lol. They defied pretty much all Source conventions and expectations to create this map, just like you can defy PBR guidelines to make something less “real.”
@theblah12
@theblah12 2 жыл бұрын
I’d argue that the biggest problem people have with PBR rendering doesn’t have anything to do with the tech itself, but rather the software used in that more modern workflow -mainly Substance Painter. It’s very easy to use the default grunge maps and edge wear/dirt generators to create something that looks fairly good, but also very samey and distinctly “PBR” looking. The software pushes you towards a particular art style that isn’t totally suited for every project. Of course, the same could be said for traditional non-PBR rendering, back when artists made heavy use of AO maps straight from Xnormal and photosourced textures mashed together in Photoshop. Ultimately, an artist’s toolbox goes a long way towards defining their style, and it’s important to be conscious of that particularly when trying to emulate a art created in a earlier era, using a different set of tools.
@DrJ4Y
@DrJ4Y 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who has dipped their toes in the water of CS map making. I have to say this is amazing, Top work. Valve give this guy a job!!!
@Mylifeintechnicolor
@Mylifeintechnicolor 2 жыл бұрын
I think that the Titanfall inspiration also had been a motivator of how the Source engine can look. I think people forget that Titanfall and Apex Legends runs on Source
@pinkmail6841
@pinkmail6841 2 жыл бұрын
you are correct but it a highly tweaked Source engine like Source is to the quake engine
@robot6346
@robot6346 2 жыл бұрын
They don't run on source, they run on an engine that was based on source. It's like saying Half Life runs on the quake engine.
@teslashark
@teslashark 2 жыл бұрын
@@robot6346 Goldsource is basically quake
@robot6346
@robot6346 2 жыл бұрын
@@teslashark it is very different underneat. just because there are parts that are similar to eachother it doesn't measn they're the same engine.
@stevethepocket
@stevethepocket 2 жыл бұрын
@@pinkmail6841 And Source 2012 is highly tweaked compared to 2004. And they tweaked in some more in 2015 when Newke came out. They just haven't put quite as much work into it as Respawn did because there was always this nagging sense of "Why put in the effort when we're already working on a way better engine... it'll be ready any day now... any day now..."
@jesko9914
@jesko9914 2 жыл бұрын
The music choice is great in this video! Love it!
@brianmo2611
@brianmo2611 Жыл бұрын
wonder what this map would look like on the new source engine :D
@ChristianStout
@ChristianStout 2 жыл бұрын
Hard to believe this was made in an engine from 2004. On ya, Will!
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
🥰
@sholan6715
@sholan6715 2 жыл бұрын
It's so crazy how different our views are. I'm born in 05, so I grew up playing mw2 with my brother and Crysis etc. So I'm fostered in too a higher quality of graphics. So when i play cs, pubg etc i always use the lowest possible settings and stretched, because I think it's over rated with pretty colors and high textures. compared too you that have followed the whole development of graphics and seem to get excited by every little foward step hih. sorry for the long comment, just wanted too share:)
@kinsi55
@kinsi55 2 жыл бұрын
This is insane, amazing effort
@KalkuehlGaming
@KalkuehlGaming 2 жыл бұрын
I also thought baking light on the textures could tickle the best out of a csgo map. But could we get even further? Is it possible to implement animated models like water fluid? I thought about to build a map with a breaking dam when the bomb explodes where the breaking dam is a baked animation. How far can the source engine go? All I know of animated models are the fan in inferno and the heli rotors in several other maps.
@RickTheSmugLord
@RickTheSmugLord 2 жыл бұрын
If you played Half Life Ep 2, I think there's the bridge scene in the beginning that nicely collapses that I think uses it's own animations. And I also think the End Of The Line Train scene where it flies and destroys the building into a bunch of chunks is also some what a separate animation? Dunno if those types are what you're referring to?
@KalkuehlGaming
@KalkuehlGaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@RickTheSmugLord Yes you are right. But I think the bridge is animated only partially. There are bending rails but the rest looks like its just a lot of single models that fall apart. But even the bending rails are a big thing. Do you mean the exploding citadel in episode 1?
@nordgeit
@nordgeit 2 жыл бұрын
I don't see why it couldn't be done. Team Fortress 2 uses those. Bread Space comes to mind, albeit a smaller scale than a dam breaking. Something that massive could still be done, however. Just needs a lot of time.
@staryoshi06
@staryoshi06 2 жыл бұрын
You could use baked animations yeah. There was plenty of "cinematic physics" in ep2, and tf2 has baked explosion animations in some payload maps.
@npc_blob1609
@npc_blob1609 2 жыл бұрын
Valve-made TF2 payload maps like Goldrush, Badwater and Thunder Mountain use bespoke baked physics animations for their finale explosions.
@AliceAttentionWhore
@AliceAttentionWhore 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for always adding subtitles.
@NowBearInMind
@NowBearInMind 2 жыл бұрын
I can already feel the FPS dipping
@Darkslayer5551
@Darkslayer5551 2 жыл бұрын
That poligob count
@RitosM
@RitosM 2 жыл бұрын
Man, that's gotta be one of the most beautiful and detailed CS:GO maps I've seen. I'm a sucker for those swaying trees. Really love the aesthetic as well, having derelict buildings in a forest, kinda reminds me of something like Half life 2 episode 2.
@batt3ryac1d
@batt3ryac1d 2 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of Alyx. Most beautiful game I've ever seen not because of sheer graphics but because of the meticulous detail.
@PunzL
@PunzL 2 жыл бұрын
5:53 "A convincing looking sky MORBS into existence"
@nmaurya347
@nmaurya347 2 жыл бұрын
Always grateful that you put subtitles for us. Do you do it manually or some other method??
@nmaurya347
@nmaurya347 2 жыл бұрын
@@3kliksphilip ohh, thanks for response
@elcacahuate7l979
@elcacahuate7l979 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, for non english speakers his subtitles are a huge help
@The_Viktor_Reznov
@The_Viktor_Reznov 2 жыл бұрын
I like subtitles for the little chance he hides some Easter Egg or cut lines in them.
@hubertsingh832
@hubertsingh832 2 жыл бұрын
You can really see the Titanfall 2 influence in full effect, I love it so much
@slendydie1267
@slendydie1267 2 жыл бұрын
Looks very beautiful but it's obvious source isn't made for that sort of thing. It's just impossible to optimize such maps on source.
@kwarrtzorau7203
@kwarrtzorau7203 9 ай бұрын
The final comments about grunge not being supported in the source engine are interesting a year on, since most CS2 maps (official and user-made) have gone even *further* in the clean, cartoony direction
@Endy_123
@Endy_123 11 ай бұрын
I want this on cs2
@sayounaras
@sayounaras 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video philip! Althought I don't play cs:go anymore, I still care about the game and as and architecture student, i love to see how these mappers that get the spotlight in your channel blend the importance of the asthetics with the funcionality of a cs:go map, each one of them with it's own identity, it's an amazing work and i feel like they deserve more recognition. Congratulations for you, all the cs:go mappers and specially Will, who has done the most amazing work i've seen in a cs:go map.
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
❤️
@mzov_1724
@mzov_1724 2 жыл бұрын
5:52 A CONVINCING LOOKING SKY M O R B S
@VanitasFR
@VanitasFR 2 жыл бұрын
It's morbin time
@TheCooPeer
@TheCooPeer 2 жыл бұрын
This map is simply gorgeous! Holy hell! Not gonna lie, a little disappointed we didnt get your "sorse" joke with the spilling bottle
@v4led
@v4led Жыл бұрын
holy sh1t imagine this in cs2
@some-replies
@some-replies 24 күн бұрын
you can swear online homie
@v4led
@v4led 24 күн бұрын
@@some-replies ?
@GreenTeaTheTea
@GreenTeaTheTea 2 жыл бұрын
This is literally source 2 quality lol, absolutely dope :)
@FranzJx
@FranzJx 2 жыл бұрын
celery the goat
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
❤️
@TheGodlike300
@TheGodlike300 2 жыл бұрын
FranzJ map when?
@bianca-b
@bianca-b 2 жыл бұрын
huge bo3 redwood vibes in the outside section, indoors is where i really feel the titanfall vibes
@celeryslice
@celeryslice 2 жыл бұрын
❤❤❤
@visualdrone
@visualdrone 2 жыл бұрын
Size in MB: 800 In-game FPS: 8
@DaHazelDurg
@DaHazelDurg 2 жыл бұрын
@hoterbran Hotel: Trivago
@Leff16
@Leff16 2 жыл бұрын
@hoterbran Dust: 2
@ketchumluc123
@ketchumluc123 2 жыл бұрын
Directx9 the great cause of this, i can't wait for source2 to bring directx 11 and finally throw dx9 to the void
@theepicshifter1251
@theepicshifter1251 Жыл бұрын
Just so y'all know this map is bigger than the entire file size of HL1
@ArchOfficial
@ArchOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
It took me most of the video to figure out who the other person in "they" was. Gotta love 2022.
@Tuntor689
@Tuntor689 2 жыл бұрын
I love the subtle shadows, it fits the art style of the map and it leaves less work to be done on lights and shadows.
@captainamerica1851
@captainamerica1851 2 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on thread starvation issue in csgo
@petrikaaa
@petrikaaa 2 жыл бұрын
What
@Moco26
@Moco26 2 жыл бұрын
@@petrikaaa it's an issue that people with bad PCs have, so you're probably not poor enough to know anything about it
@captainamerica1851
@captainamerica1851 2 жыл бұрын
@@Moco26 not just low end anyone can face this issue below are my pc specifications Win 10 Pro x64 Intel I7-9700k GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 16GB DDR3 Steam and CSGO are both installed on my M.2 SSD.
@petrikaaa
@petrikaaa 2 жыл бұрын
@@Moco26I was curious, I had 1 very bad pc but never heard of that
@forbiddenknowledge5722
@forbiddenknowledge5722 2 жыл бұрын
Looks awesome, can't wait to play it.
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