Dean Cain: Let's Disagree to Agree | The Man Enough Podcast

Known as Superman in the series Lois & Clark, actor and producer Dean Cain discusses fatherhood, politics, police reform, and how he really feels about cancel culture and wokeness.
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DEAN CAIN: LET'S DISAGREE TO AGREE
Well known for his role as Superman in the series Lois & Clark, actor and producer Dean Cain brings his assuredness and humor/confidence/charm to a wide-ranging discussion on fatherhood, masculinity, politics, and cancel culture. Outspoken in his political views, Dean doesn’t shy away from difficult topics and he shows us what it means to be willing to lean in and listen even when there are disagreements.
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[@stephownsyourface]

I was listening on audio only and came here just to see Liz’s reactions. You did well at holding it together Liz! I wouldn’t have been able to do it.

[@telly_0]

Jamey is so good at discussing these topics! omg! He's always on the ball with challenging guests, bringing up examples, and all without putting people on the defensive. It's incredible. Great work Jamey!

[@WeAreManEnough]

We agree! There's only one Jamey Heath!

[@kathleengeraty7926]

Jamey, I hear you.

[@user-ur4uv9gq7r]

I do understand about parenting, I have two sons, I did more with them than their Dad. I was married to their Dad, but now I'm not , divorce now, four years now. I would love to meet Dean some day. I kiss and hug them all the time too, but they didn't hug back nor do they now. This was a great show, Thank you so much to you three and to Dean. Maybe I will meet Dean some day.

[@connorking1878]

I loved Dean's response saying that for society to get used to seeing men show affection to their sons, it has to be seen more often. I believe that as dedicated listeners of this podcast (particularly male listeners), we should all use this knowledge to practice daily habits showing love, care and empathy where it is safe and acceptable to do so. On another note, I really admire the person running this KZbin channel. You meticulously respond to these comments in such a caring and engaged way to make sure all of our comments can not only be acknowledged but deeply valued! Thank you for setting such a great example for how all podcasts should be run!

[@WeAreManEnough]

We're so glad that you appreciated the insights that Dean brought. And thanks for the kind words for our team! We really do care about all of you and this work.

[@cathysalciccia7812]

A really nice interview. What I like about him is he walks to the beat of his own drummer and demonstrates what a real human being his is without all of the bullshit.

[@smashley5338]

Jamey is the real hero of this conversation… Dealing with willfully naive people is a challenge and Jamey navigated this beautifully.

[@louisventers9798]

To be deeply committed to helping create a more loving, more just, more truly and equitably prosperous society and to not fall into the easy binaries of our “us-vs.-them” politics is no easy task, and I appreciate the efforts y’all are making!

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you. We have to break out of those constructs on all levels if we want to create a better world TOGETHER.

[@dalemoye4]

Such an impactful episode. I love the way you guys don’t just redirect the discussion, but you keep asking better, more specific, more tactful questions! I’m learning how to have these tough conversations in my own individual life. You guys (aside from God) are one of my main influences on what healthy communication, friendship, acceptance, and of course what being man enough means. I’m so grateful for you guys, and for what your channel and content brings people. ❤️

[@WeAreManEnough]

We are all learning, and so grateful we can help support you in these tricky conversations and the different ways that can look like. Thanks for being here with us!

[@deebrown3208]

I didn't want to watch this episode, but I came back to it. I'll say this, I found it somewhat interesting but also typical in reference to your guest's statements regarding racism and policing.

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you for coming back to it and for sharing.

[@hausofwanderlust]

I love that you guys included the check in with each other at the end. It’s wonderful to hear you reflect on not just what was discussed but also on HOW we have these conversations and what you’re feeling. ❤️

[@IWantToMature85]

"Check in?" Why do you feel like you need this after a podcast conversation?

[@mikaelaraeatoigue1564]

Wow wow wow!! I found this so refreshing. As a POC and someone who definitely leans far left, I found this episode to be really groundbreaking. I was definitely uneasy in the conversations about race and policing, but was still able to learn from Dean. Kudos to Jamey on how you challenged him while still meeting him where he was. And thank you Liz and Justin for being amazing allies as the conversation went there. This was an expert class in meaningful discourse as someone in my early 20s trying to figure out how to have these conversations. 🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you for joining us in this conversation! There is so much to learn from each other, and are glad it resonated with how we can continue to expand these dialogues through our shared humanity. We appreciate your support!

[@heartbreakhotel4278]

Yall needa get Joshua Bassett on your podcast. TRUST ME

[@marthaestars]

I second this.

[@suzettephinn7829]

I'm tired of the arguing too, it's exhausting 😪.

[@angelajaimes6528]

Why isnt this podcast not appreciated enoughhhh!!! Is so goodd

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you!

[@angelajaimes6528]

Love all of you. And liz is definitely an inspiration for us young women in this generation ❤️

[@WeAreManEnough]

@@angelajaimes6528 We love you too! Liz is one of a kind; we're all so fortunate to have her, young women, men and all people!

[@ginoambroise6559]

Isn’t Jamey AWESOMELY AWESOME?! That thought at the end about 4 men leading mostly the conversation while Liz was there ❤️ . It was a conversation to make me grow while I was uncomfortable for most part of it and that’s what it is about.

[@GretchenHewitt]

Justin, "Learning in real time"! Ahhhh! I learned and gained a lot. The "how" of this episode from all 5 was the key for me. Very good to address things and know these conversations can happen without dissolving into camps and anger. I feel for Dean feeling the pressure to take care of his family. His softening there at the end... he can be assured that when he teared up, it is just love and appreciation and caring I for one feel, and his man enough is in full capacity. Jamey, working from the inside out! Yes! Liz, I found that your presence, as the 4 men had good consultation this time was a great way that it worked out. So much good stuff! Many happy thank yous.

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you Gretchen for such touching insight, as always!

[@sims4u422]

Thank you, it was an interesting one, with a lot of words and emotions. Thank you for bringing people with different opinions and all sorts of opinions onto this podcast too.

[@ronsparkman4913]

As many have stated, this conversation was going to be a challenging one to listen to. Hell, I can only imagine what it was like having it. But the important thing is that both "sides" were willing to come to the table and discuss ideas, knowing that it could be uncomfortable in doing so. I felt that Dean was authentic here, even in what I didn't necessarily agree with. I think a huge part of this is just the fact that closing out people with differing opinions won't get us anywhere. If we patronize them and act like everything we say and believe is right, how do we ever elevate the conversation for one another? Appreciate the episode, ME team!

[@WeAreManEnough]

Well said! Thank you for your support and comments, which are always insightful and thoughtful. So glad you're part of our community.

[@ronsparkman4913]

@@WeAreManEnough Thank you as always!

[@vikkienos8030]

Yay Jamie - you attempted to keep Dean Cain honest. Just my opinion, I think Dean, like everyone else,has issues. He seems angry and said multiple times that he is taking care of his parents and many other people; seems to need other people or himself to think he is a good person. Sincerely, don’t want to be judge mental - just the feeling I got from him.

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you for sharing your perspective. Jamey and Dean didn't have to agree to share their own truths with respect.

[@nancybillows2927]

He didn't sound angry, he sounded tired! And as someone who can relate completely because I am legal guardian to my six God children plus taking care of my 75 year old mother it's exhausting at times. And you're trying to do the right thing by your kids. I think this is what he is point was. That as a parent/caregiver, you think of everyone else first and then yourself. It was fantastic that Christopher told him to take care of himself after he got his parents settled in Vegas! 🥰🥰

[@Lil4C7233]

Excellent... What more is there to say. I learn so much and think so much. Thanks for always being interesting.

[@WeAreManEnough]

Being interesting is so much better than being right or beautiful. Thanks for being here!

[@Chlobotomy]

Forgive me if I am missing context because I am commenting as this is coming up while I’m watching the video. At 38:21 where Dean says “it’s more training” I was reminded of a social work webinar I just watched where a black community organizer said, “why do you need special training not to kill black folks when you don’t need it to not kill white folks?” That really changed the way I thought about that conversation, and maybe it could change someone else’s mind too.❤

[@WeAreManEnough]

Love that. Couldn't agree more.

[@liricabox]

Amazing episode! I love the way jamey introduced a "controversial" topic nowadays. It was very exciting for me because its always a little, maybe scary or hard, bring something that you know its controversial, especially if you know that the other person has different opinions, but it was amazing listen and learn with this, its difficult to do this currently. Dean seems an amazing men, with integrity, i like the way he express his opinions (i like his friend too, i enjoy the surprise guest, it was organic, hahaha). For me it was interesting feel all my assumptions about things i saw in the episode. I dont know any of you, but i was like: oh, here we go again, he is telling this to not be uncomfortable blah blah blah. Its curious seeing my own biases. This was amazing, really really amazing. Also, it was very interesting seeing that, at the end of the day, you can dissect things in two basic levels: individual and political/social. For example, i see cancel culture as a social movement that tries to eliminate something because its "bad". I dont see, like Liz, cancel culture as a only an individual decision that each person make (for example, i decide not consume something because doesnt match my values). I see that now cancel culture its something bigger than individuals, and in some ways, the power that has it could be good but its complicated and dangerous. Its always the same question: who decides what its good or bad? Who decides that this have to be canceled? Black people? White people? Companies? 100 persons? 200? Why this is not progress? What lens you are using to approach this? Its complicated and an interesting topic. For me, it doesnt exists the perfect society or politics, because humans are imperfect and we always have diifferent interests. I think the magic happens when all of us have enought to live well and free, and listen to each other to appreaciate our needs (and this is increible difficult to approach, but we have to try i think without damaging others). Thank you for this amazing conversation! I love your podcast and the amazing and safe space you have created to speak about things that currently are so polarized. Thank you for the subtitles and for everything beautiful people! I love you all! Lots love!

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you for all the love and thoughts. Conversations like this really get us to think outside of our typical boxes, don't they?

[@thomasthomasphilp4393]

I would appreciate if you can interview Vandana Shiva, ecofeminist and recipient of alternative Nobel Prize. She is a fighter for mother earth.

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you for a great recommendation, we will definitely add her on our roster. We appreciate your support!

[@suzettephinn7829]

It's unfortunate that he doesn't get it. He's judging based on his experience.

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you for sharing your perspective. We really appreciate you watching and commenting. We don't have to agree to learn together.

[@suzettephinn7829]

@@WeAreManEnough no we don't. Thanks for having these conversations. Appreciate you guys 🙏❤

[@WeAreManEnough]

@@suzettephinn7829 Appreciate you too!

[@IWantToMature85]

@s please stop it! The man isn't white and it's easy to tell that he isn't. You say "passing" for the sake of your preconceived notions. I'm a black dude myself and life isn't a struggle for us as much as we want to believe. Shame on you too Suzette for following that mindset.

[@IWantToMature85]

@@suzettephinn7829 disappointed in you and others here. You must think that life was easy for him. Things are good for you too. Yeats from now when it is as good as it's ever been, no one will keep believing you that you have it bad or that you are a victim. They will know that you can do anything you want to.

[@ibrahimhamadi2765]

Me gustan estos cambios de impresiones son muy positivos Constancia y mucha fuerza Saludos afectuosos

[@WeAreManEnough]

Gracias por estar aquí.

[@tinafernandez9843]

WoW rocks! Didn't know Dean and his son played. Oopsiohoh from Cenarius (Faded Nation Guild) says "FOR THE ALLIANCE!" LOL First time with y'all. Loved it! I am a single mother of 3 boys - the youngest was 18-months when my adventure began and is now 30! God blessed me to be their mom - not sure how they view it since my middle son said @ age 16 "mom, I'm gonna make some psychiatrist rich one day." Yeah, I tortured my children with my whacky sense-of-humor. I still do! LOL Keep up the great work. Blessings and #bighugsfromanalabamagirlonplanetmichigan

[@rebekahkate_]

Liz needs the opportunity to talk more. And I enjoyed this episode, witnessing a constructive conversation among differing opinions.

[@rebekahkate_]

I wrote this comment before hearing the recap. I’d still like to hear more from Liz haha.

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you for your perspective. Liz can of course speak whenever she wants. It's a complicated dynamic sometimes and she chooses to let it play out without always inserting herself. We agree it's always better when she pipes up, though! :)

[@rebekahkate_]

@@WeAreManEnough definitely understood. And with the way episodes are edited before the final product, I don’t get the full dynamic. I also hear “and,” “well,” “also,” etc. from Liz when her and another person start to talk at the same time. And the other person usually gets to give their input first, then I’m longing for what Liz was going to say! Haha. The in’s and out’s of conversation (especially when some are virtual). Thanks for engaging.

[@brandonlopez3902]

My mom graduated with him, lol!

[@shoooop]

Audio error at 29:00

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you so much for flagging! We have corrected in our audio experience.

[@shoooop]

@@WeAreManEnough of course! Figured since I watched the ep early it would be great to fix it asap. Love the pod :) Also I think having Rhett & Link on would be an amazing episode.

[@nadeengebara1692]

Love the podcast and the way you three have conversations with each other and your guests. Potentially controversial, but I think inviting Jordan Peterson might present an interesting conversation ..

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you! We appreciate the suggestion. We've been considering it for a quite a while; it just needs to be done in the right way so that it's a productive conversation. Some people in the "men's rights" arena are not really interested in a conversation.

[@wokescancer.3699]

@@WeAreManEnough that's because you people are extremely anti men.

[@diamondgarcia9409]

Damn, Jamey is 52?? He looks like he's in his 30s. 40 is the max I would've guessed

[@lahuzaher]

Dean's older and looks younger

[@vanhoudtshoorn]

🔥🌟💖

[@jacih8093]

It would be nice if you had more guests like this who didnt necessarily have the same mindset and views as all three of you. Hearing from people that agree with you is fine but you'll never change anything or move further than your own thoughts and opinions if you're not challenged to hear them and take them into consideration. It would also be nice if his answers weren't constantly interrupted so maybe he got to finish a full thought. I applaud Dean for knowing he was coming onto a platform where he would be the only one with a majority of his opinions and viewpoints and still wanting to have an open conversation even if he would be the one challenged the most.

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thanks for the feedback. We completely agree. We're inviting a lot of them and it's hard to get many of them to say yes. They will come - we're open to anyone who wants to have an open, productive conversation. We don't all need to agree; in fact, it's a lot more interesting and enlightening when we don't, as you pointed out. Glad you're here with us.

[@patriciabellah9392]

I agree with what you're saying but I also believe that men should be mascaline. You can be both.

[@patriciabellah9392]

Ok so yes there is some not fun topics but if we dont learn from our past then we'll repeat it.

[@Thorandpeace]

Didn’t Dean Cain complain about Superman’s chid being bisexual

[@o-carina]

I felt truly disheartened listening to this podcast. It did not truly feel like there was an open and honest conversation happening here. There was a lot of deflection and derailing from the conversation where the conversational topic should have been taken seriously. From that, I didn't feel like the guest was willing to sit for a moment in the discomfort that is necessary to have these open conversations. I will say, that I appreciate Jamey for speaking up & doing his best to have a real conversation.

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thank you for sharing your experience. We will continue to create an open, respectful space for people to come from all perspectives with the hope that over time we all start to truly listen and grow together more and more. It's a journey.

[@maddysdaddystevem563]

This woman doesn't know what cancel culture is. It's not choosing to boycot something or someone. It's demanding that someone who disagrees with you be denied the ability to provide for themselves and their family.

[@shira6975]

Oh liz

[@FuzzyChesterfield]

Please stop pitting “sensitive” and “strong” as opposites.

[@WeAreManEnough]

Great note! Thank you for sharing your thoughts. When having these dialogues, we are looking at how these qualities are generally and conventionally pitted against each other. But, we agree it's important not to perpetuate those narratives either. We appreciate your considerations!

[@FuzzyChesterfield]

@@WeAreManEnough I’m looking forward to watching more of these. Doing a lot of work for myself, too. Thank you.

[@WeAreManEnough]

@@FuzzyChesterfield Wonderful to hear. We're looking forward to hearing what you think of the other episodes too.

[@OrtegaOY]

"Never meet your heroes", even if they've just played imaginary ones 🤣

[@ryanschneider2744]

I can’t believe Dean felt he had to call in backup for a discussion. Ridiculous.

[@WeAreManEnough]

Thanks for the feedback. His friend was there and we welcomed them both to approach the conversation as felt appropriate for them. We're grateful that everyone was able to stay at the table and have an open, respectful conversation, even if minds weren't changed and agreement wasn't found on everything. We just have to be able to talk to each other, which is happening less and less these days.

[@FuzzyChesterfield]

This is incredibly cringe worthy and quite sad.

[@OrtegaOY]

It was, but I saw it as a White Man's bumbled attempt at Calling In vs Calling Out

[@FuzzyChesterfield]

@@OrtegaOY I agree.

[@WeAreManEnough]

We'd like to hear more about your thoughts on this one.

[@OrtegaOY]

@@WeAreManEnough "Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity". - Noel Ignatiev Though I'm not thee original author of the comment, and only responded in affirmation of a shared sentiment…I feel compelled to respond. Though I appreciated Mr. Cain's contribution to the conversation about being "Man Enough", with regards to sharing love between fathers and sons…the conversation went sideways when it came to acknowledging Systemic Racism and it's adverse impact on Black Lives. It seems that whenever issues that adversely impact Black Lives is broached on public platforms, there's an attitude of "let's see what thee other side has to contribute to this discussion". It's dehumanizing to Black Lives, when crimes against Black Bodied People are reduced to fodder for intellectual debate and discourse. Sure, anyone can say or agree that "Black Lives Matter", but does their health, happiness, and well-being matter just as much? I'm astonished, appalled, and disgusted that as a society we can witness the murder or ritual sacrifice of unarmed human beings, and because of thee amount of melanin in their skin…rather than decrying such acts as crimes against humanity we say, "Wait, let's talk about this"? But I guess that makes sense, when deep down many only see Black Folks as 3/5ths human anyway. I'm grateful to Man Enough, for their contribution to the discourse of healing Masculinity. What's become very clear to me, is that there is a long way yet to go with being "Man Enough" to draw a hard line on discussions of Racial Equity and Justice. In this discussion, I watched Jamey squirm in his attempts at seeking or establishing a diplomatic common ground. I appreciated Liz, as she had enough presence of mind to critically question how she did or didn't show up as an ally. And alas Justin, did what one could expect from a White Man. He spent a significant amount of time making excuses for his friend's ignorance, vs holding him accountable in a skillful way. And Mr. Cain literally manifesting the "one black friend trope" was the peak of cringe 😬🤢🤮 Sure, this podcast and forum does a great job of answering the question about what it means to be "Man Enough". But when are we going to address the proverbial shadow of thee elephant in the room…."Are Black People Human Enough"?

[@WeAreManEnough]

@@OrtegaOY Thank you. Justin wanted us to share this response: “Thank you for the feedback. I certainly hear you and agree that I have still a lot to learn. I am doing my best and fall short constantly. I will take this feedback I and appreciate the time you took to write it. Justin “