Dean Park Station Video 71 - January 2016 Update

[@gerrybvr]

Thoroughly enjoyable and informative video. As for the wiring length... 'better looking at it than for it'

[@kenr86]

The inspection pit looks really fgood, the lighting is brilliant (no pun intended). But that's a damn clean inspection pit... no oil or dirt or gungy stuff in it at all... But I guess since the TMD hasn't been put into use yet, your maintenance staff hadn't had the chance to use it and dirty things up yet :) Keep up the great work - you are an inspiration to us all.

[@bentompkinson4572]

Great first update of 2016. Love the inspection pit, can't wait for the "how to" video!

[@trainmanbob]

Ah! Deep in my favourite part of model railways, Dave, the wiring. I must be one of the few that likes it. Yours looks great....layout is coming along superbly. Cheers, Bob

[@DeanPark]

+trainmanbob Hi, I don't actually mind it....its an art form in itself. I try my best and take my time to make sure the connections are secure. If you rush wiring it'll come back to bite you (I know from earlier experiences).. Thanks. Dave

[@trainmanbob]

+DaveClass47 How very true Dave. The other thing I have always done is made a wiring diagram..invaluable when things go wrong, although I guess it's easier now-a-days for you DCC boys with less wires!! Cheers, Bob (DC to the core lol)

[@robmasterman]

Oh I wish I had tour patience Dave, this was far too complex for my limited skills, but a real joy to see what's involved behind and beneath the scenes....Excellent work as always...Best wishes...Bob

[@DeanPark]

+Robert Masterman Thanks Bob, I do like to catalogue my progress using video. If nothing else I can look back at them (when all others have stopped watching) and see how I did things. Cheers. Dave

[@mitchellthomas2674]

Great update Dave! The inspection pit looks superb- I can just imagine a couple of engineers down in it working on the trains! The wiring for the point motors looks spot on as well, will definitely be great once it's all wired up. Cheers, Mitch :)

[@JKWARGAMES]

Great work Dave, the joys of wiring 😃

[@DeanPark]

+GROVE JUNCTION!!!! Tell me about it! lol

[@DudleyCentral]

Happy new year Dave! Those loco inspection pits look ace with the lights, looking forward to seeing how you do them. Cheers, Joe.

[@Castlebridge-00]

Very informative Dave, a pleasure to watch. The pit looks good and the video on how you did the pit will get my undivided attention. For me, it would help if you could go past the fitting of the pit lights then on to the choc box then on to the switch and on to the power source. I am new to this and just need guidance as I cant work out how it all goes together. All the best. Barry. Devon.

[@DeanPark]

+OBowner Hi Barry, I will endeavour to get all of the bits on video. If there is anything I do you don't understand or if I miss out anything them please get in touch. Dave

[@AndyHudson-ModelRailwayBuilds]

Happy New Year Dave, love the inspection pits the lighting is spot on Andy

[@JamesStJunction00]

Happy new year Dave and to your family, like the update the inspection pits look spot on. I use the dcc concepts boards in conjunction with the elink with the pm1 and I only use 5 wires per point. Had a lot of teething problems but after a lot of trial and error they work like a dream. Steve

[@DeanPark]

+JamesStJunction Hi Happy new year. Yeah my initial idea was to use DCC control for the points, but then I decided that I quite like the physical pushing of switches...it also allows others to have some control, ie I drive, they switch points (my daughter mainly!). I am sure they are great when using with DCC, but with manual switches it was getting wire crazy!

[@howarth004]

Nice work with the wiring.. easy to see and find faults (if any) in the future

[@davidhoughtoncricutdave1051]

3 dislike now......Are people mad or don't recognize a good video when they see one. Always good and informative.

[@esab1670]

Some people just wantt o watch the world burn. AKA Arseholes Jealousy just eats them up.

[@bluemountainsmodelrailproj2589]

Hi Dave, great video as always. 2 dislikes?!?! Hmmm, very sad people out there. Just a quick suggestion in relation to the class 50 issue. Try using a small to medium electrolytic capacitor across the positive and negative feed to the two lights, this should remove a good portion if not all of the flickering. Seeing as you are getting quite comfortable with wiring lol. I have a few issues with Hornby products, seems their qc department was out to lunch on a few of my hornby wagons. If you get chance, take a look at my video on hornby wagons and points. I finally have layout and a few videos up now. Happy new year Dave, keep it coming, cheers Andy

[@charlesemerson6763]

Ok on Vanguard. Mine did exactly the same as yours only the marker lights at the "B" didn't work. When I took the body off all the louvres fell out of one side. I wasn't going to send it back, from Australia it would cost the price of a new loco, so I glued each louvre back in place. As for the lights they rely on little copper contacts touching a pickup strip. Clean the strip and the copper contacts, I used a fibre glass pen. It's sort of successful as they now work a both ends but still flicker from time to time. I have some micro pin connecters that I'm going to use to wire the lights up in a more permanent fashion. Love you work in such tight a demanding space. Glad it's not me.

[@DeanPark]

It got to the point where I was considering just getting a refund! Paint chips, non working lights and louvres falling out....it was ridiculous. I guess if you were not so far away you'd have sent it back. Dave

[@Pixie586]

Hi Dave, I have had this problem with a number of my 50's and I now have 9 of them in my fleet but it was an easy fix. 1) remove the body 2) gently prise the two contacts forward that are on the chasis that make contact with the two contacts of the body pcb and take a fibre glass pen to clean both sets of contacts and return the body to the chasis. I haven't had issues with Ajax thankfully but hopefully this may help you. Susannah

[@DeanPark]

+Susannah Joaquim Hi, thanks for that....I will have a look. Cheers. Dave

[@MichaelHenfrey]

Nice update Dave, The lighting in the pit looks really good and I think the staggering of the lights really helps. Thanks for the product code for the switches, I must get some! They are probably useful for dcc controlled layouts anyway with self centering, so you could change points either using a controller or the switches if that's possible? Cheers

[@oceancity2006]

Very informative update, thanks for sharing as always. Regards Robert

[@DeanPark]

+Ocean City Thanks Robert. Dave

[@kirbyparkwest4392]

Hi, it's not just the new 50's my old Ark Royal needed a lube service. Took the body off and all the damm louvers fell out. Bought new ones from Peter's Spares and since super gluing them in, no probs. Not sure about the new lights, loose connection? One of my Hornby HST's the same, lights come on going round curves. Great video. Cheers.

[@Bruno.Trains]

Some very interesting looking trains.

[@mayhewjunction9429]

Hi Dave, brilliant job you've done of the inspection pit, it looks like a factory made lighting install! Sorry I can't help you with the 50 as I don't own one. I hate annoying things like that!! Great update, keep up the good work! Cheers........Howard.

[@DeanPark]

+Mayhew Junction Cheers Howard. Yeah I think the pit lighting has worked well. Looks better in real life than on the screen. Dave

[@leonidbier]

Nice job Dave. Always enjoy your update ! Too bad they dont have the pit for n scale !! Big up from Amsterdam

[@CHESEABUN]

I like the led lights in your inspection pit!

[@typashley5394]

Coming on nicely Dave,have you seen the connector blocks that Graham from Lakeside has started to use ,tidy wiring no end

[@DeanPark]

+Ty Pashley Hi, cheers. I have always liked using connector blocks, they do help, but I will check out Grahams too. Cheers. Dave

[@TheAudiostud]

Just a Point, I was told never to bread wires as it can cause resistance and resistance cause heat which in turn can cause fire! Now! I don't know enough about electricity to argue, so if there is anyone who knows can they add their view which will help me & Dave to "Twist or not to Twist" as always V71 was Great work, well done I just hope someone from "Peco" is watching your videos and offer you some discount

[@DeanPark]

+TheAudiostud Hi, interesting thoughts...I was told by DCC Concepts (via there leaflet in the Solenoid Decoder that braiding help prevent 'spkies' in the signal, hence damaging electronic equipment) and they also told me that braiding is neater, which is certainly the case. The fact that there is only 12-15v (no idea how many Amps) running through these at momentary bursts then I suspect there wont be any heating up. I held the resistors for the inspection pit in my fingers when they were on and didnt get any heat from them, so that leaves me to think that heat is not an issue. I hope its not anyway!! Interested to hear others views. Dave

[@TheAudiostud]

+DaveClass47 don't you just hate auto correct I meant braid not bread having corrected that, if DCC Concepts say it's cool to braid then it's cool,

[@brianwatts4989]

Hi Dave. Have you tried putting a 12v electrolytic condenser the highest UHF you can find accross the neg /positive to lights in the cab. Like the ones on the DCC sound chips.

[@JonnyTeMoni]

the class 50 may have a problem with the type of electricity imput, this occured with my class 390, the headlights were effected by the ac current in the 16v dcc current.

[@ScottDowneywoundedbear]

I think the wiring takes more time than building the layout. I am thinking of using servo motors for my switches. They are cheap at $2 or $3 each. The electronics are a bit more. You do a great job on your layout. You sure do have lots of patients.Scott

[@GrahamFoulston]

A superb and really informative video Dave, I was particularly interested in the inspection pit as I have just put two into the engine shed on my layout as well although at the moment they are unlit but seeing the way you have done yours then I am tempted to have a go at this as well. I have an older Class 50 so I can't help on the flickering problem I'm afraid but I hope that you eventually get it sorted. Excellent update mate, don't worry about the arseholes giving the thumbs down, they are probably the same ones that give me them too - one arsehole does it within seconds of any video of mine going up so sadly it must be a subscriber. They only do it because they haven't the balls to front up, utter friggin cowards hiding behind their keyboards in their little lonely bedrooms living their lonely little lives - how sad for them. Keep doing what you're doing Dave, it's brilliant work. .........Graham

[@jackbrown2830]

Hi Dave have a word with Richard at everard he has the class 50 Ajax, Richard is very good at problem solving lighting issues he might give you some tips

[@TilefordOO]

Hi Dave & Happy New Year! Love the lighting on the inspection pits - i'm now thinking that I might have to look into retrospectively fitting lighting on mine at CC although I suspect that it might be too late. Completely share your frustration with the 50 & Hornbys customer service. The louvres fell out of mine when i removed the body to fit the decoder - sent it to Hornby for them to fix and was told they couldn't do it but they'd send me a spare body. That was in November and i'm still waiting.... In the mean time i bit the bullet and bought a set of louvres from Peters spares which have now been fitted and all is ok. Touch wood, the lighting is ok on my 50 so far! Not sure if it would fit into your Scottish themed layout but the new Dapol 73 is a smashing model - i'm sure you'll have seen the large logo version of it already - well recommended anyway……. Great layout, great update, looking forward to more from you in 2016 :)

[@DeanPark]

+Caversham Central Hi. Good luck with your wait. What 50 did you buy?Personally, I don't want a spare body....as the ones they'll have may be taken off the damaged returns, and after the ones I had to buy and send back (7 in total!!!) in order to get a damaged free body I don't want to restart that saga!! lol. It almost sent me to the mental institution! I will find a way to fix the lights.Where the louvre replacements from Peters spares a match for your loco?....ie in terms of BR blue, did the paint shades match?Incidentally, my class 55 Bachmann deltic broken down, was making an awful noise when cruising. I emailed Bachmann, they replied within 2 days. 2 days later it was in the post and 3 days after that I received a posted letter (actual paper letter!) saying they had received my model and would repair it within 15 days. NOW THATS CUSTOEMR CARE! Take note Hornby!!!!All the best for your layout this year, I do love watching your updates. Dave

[@TilefordOO]

+DaveClass47 I went for 50024 Vanguard. A lovely model apart from the issues highlighted. The replacement louvres are spot on in terms of colour match and seem to be much more robust than the originals. Just a shame that Hornby's quality control couldn't pick up the faults!

[@DeanPark]

***** Hi, yes I sent a rather blunt email to them regarding their quality control and assurance. No reply!! I must have had the cover off and on this class 50 15 times to try get to bottom of the lighting issue....its a pain in the arse to say the least! I have contacted Hornby to ask for replacement pcb boards that connect the lights to the circuit board, but you guessed it...no reply!

[@TilefordOO]

+DaveClass47 The guy at Hornby id been speaking to is called Simon Watkins - not sure how much use he'll be but i did at least get to speak to him….

[@DeanPark]

***** Hi, thanks for that. I will await a reply via their customer care department (an ironic title for their email address!!). I have had emails from Simon in the past.....if I don't hear anything by the end of this week I am going to call them.

[@sparky107107]

what is the little building at 8:24 , a little wash building ? your wiring is very tidy which I am sure makes it easier in the long run , the inspection pit is very nice , are you going to weather it ,, or grim it I suppose , lol add figures ?

[@DeanPark]

+sparky107107 Hi, its still to be weathered and detailed yeah. The small building is a loco wash plant. Bachmann scenecraft product. Cheers.

[@MrPickles1961]

very informative, keep the updates coming, do not understand the thumbs down in views ? maybe they were looking for a knitting page , lol

[@natbug3891]

Hi Dave I downloaded a free 00 gauge card kit inspection pit from scalescenes.com they use tracing paper to make the light look realistic hope it helped

[@natbug3891]

It’s frustrating when a small KZbinr ignores a comment I left 8 years ago, yet along comes Daveclass47, casually dropping a comment like 'arsehole!' Lol.

[@WestBlythMPD]

Hi Dave.Excellent work and video, could I ask you where you got the backscene from in the opening shot please?Michael

[@DeanPark]

+WestBlythMPD Hi they are ID Backscenes. Cheers for your comment, glad you liked. The ID backscenes are really good, especially if you get the self adhesive ones. Dave

[@WestBlythMPD]

That's great Dave thank you very much. Michael

[@daviemaclean61]

As per previous commentators, you have some patience when it comes to the wiring. I'm keeping it simple, stone age simple, on my layout! But doing it properly first time round is going to pay dividends in the long run. If I had the time to watch videos and leave negative comments, I'd put that time to much better use elsewhere - ignore the nay sayers.

[@DeanPark]

+davie maclean Hi, cheers. Yeah I totally agree with all you said there. Dave

[@owenrees5754]

Hi Dave. Great video as ever :) Just a quick question - have you thought if the seep motors with built in polarity? Or was there a reason for peco motors with accessory? Ask as deliberating on which to use myself!

[@DeanPark]

+Owen Rees Hi....I have heard the SEEP with built in acc switches can fail, then you're looking at a whole new motor (which in my case would be really difficult to replace in that tight area). I chose Peco as the acc switch is not electronic, its manual, so if it does break its easy to replace without replacing the whole motor.I have used 1 seep at the back of the TMD as they are smaller than the Peco and it allows trains to pass under the motor in the tunnel without any issues. The point it is connected to is a Y radius turnout and it is not wired for frog polarity switching so hopefully I will be ok with it working for a long time!Hope these ramblings answer your question? ;-)Dave

[@anthonyashley9224]

Hope you had a great New Year and Christmas. With the points discussed are you using a separate power source for the points and if so what power source are you using?

[@anthonyashley9224]

+Anthony Ashley (Welsh Dragon Rail) Sorry I meant point motors regarding the power supply.

[@DeanPark]

+Anthony Ashley (Welsh Dragon Rail) hi I am going to use a 15V AC (from the back of an old Hornby controller - the same as I do at the station side of the layout). I had wired the DCC concepts board in to the DCC bus wire.

[@ralphlees6438]

hi dave like your pit lights looking forward to your how to fit video Kind regards ralph

[@DeanPark]

+Ralph Lees Hi, I have uploaded a video on this, please see one of my newer video uploads. Cheers. Dave

[@bentompkinson4572]

Hi Dave. Sorry, I can't find the video where you discuss this... Where did you get your speed signs and poles etc from? It's the modern (circular) signs I'm after. Cheers. Ben

[@DeanPark]

+Ben Tompkinson Hi, try ten commandments. Cheers.

[@minifigman]

Please come and sort my peco point motors out they are a nightmare on a n gauge layout. always enjoy your videos. Tony

[@muckshifter]

lol, your wiring IS neater than my computer's ;-)

[@icklebean0365]

I hate when you accidentally dislike the video and it didn't come off

[@sub39h]

How has someone disliked this video within 1 minute of it being posted?

[@jamesmckelvey]

Not a clue, I don't even see what there is to dislike

[@natbug3891]

Sub39h they only dislike it because they're jealous of Dave train layout that is amazing

[@DeanPark]

+sub39h one word - arsehole! lol