Death, Cannibal Corpse, and More: Valvestate Tones w/ The Marshall 100V 8100!

Today in Plague Scythe Studios, we bask in the glory of Marshall's classic flavor of tube / solid state hybrid death metal tones with the Model 8100!
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[@andresilvasophisma]

Everytime I play this amp it puts a smile on my face.

[@SilentNightBodomNight]

That’s like me with my Mesa Rectifiers.

[@alexanderdeathmetal]

It is seemed now you do not play this amp

[@nathanrossiter122]

Were you able to get some Chuck schuldiner toned with no pedals on it? Really trying to get that sound of perseverance tone

[@itachi9567]

I bought this amp used for only 200$ in emergency for a live show. Now it's my only amp and i don't think i'll change it soon, i play 7 strings in G standard and drop F getting absolutely filthy tones. This "old" amp absolutely still rules in 2023, i find it perfect to play "modern" really low tuned music. Recently i started to boost it with a boss HM-2 and it's a match made in heaven, but that's another story...

[@danmaycock9238]

Cheeky demo...

[@JBrooksNYS]

I do drop G through a Tubescreamer on this amp

[@itachi9567]

@@JBrooksNYS i used to do that too when i had just bought this amp, sounds killer like this too

[@Alexander_Tronstad]

24:05, damn! It's like hearing the record!

[@zandig666]

Hell ya man high mid fuzz with a single coil overlay ??!!?? 🤟🤟🤟🏾

[@swanofnutella4734]

For a long time the Human tone rumor was that it was a Ampeg VH140c. Then the rumor was that it was a Randall. The rumors were eventually dispelled and if I recall correctly, it turned out it was Morrisound's in-house JCM 800, which Scott Burns seems to have loved, given his output at the time. When you listen to it, it actually makes sense. It's a classic JCM tone, it's just the way they handled the sum of those parts that gives it it's special novel mojo. 1) that it's quad tracked very cleanly, 2) the specific mojo of the mixing board, 3) that they used two slightly different tones per side (one is much brighter, possibly just the mixing board EQ though) and of course, as SMG Glenn will tell you, 4) whatever magic speaker/mic positioning they dialed in. As cool as the Valvestate is, I believe Human was recorded before it even existed, and the Valvestate delivers a noticeably different style of transient. But don't quote me on any of this. My brain and memory has become like a neglected swampy green swimming pool.

[@davidclay8037]

chuc schuldiner is the all time riff lord! love it man keep it up.

[@TheCyberMantis]

Chuck, Michael Romeo, and Jeff Loomis.

[@okaight7248]

Sick tones. I love the percussive "CHK" you can hear when you dig into the low notes. It makes it feel dynamic with the top end but smooth consistent lows and mid range.

[@artemivasyuk1699]

Valvestate amp (well, combo) was the very first guitar amp I’ve played. It was like sky opened and angels singing 😅 Before this amp I was plugging my guitar into distortion pedal straight into hi-fi system and it was quite normal thing back then here

[@kopelinfriar383]

Man I really do enjoy these videos !! Keep em coming!!

[@tiagoqueiroz8779]

I bought one of these when you uploaded the first video. Love it. Thank you for that!!!!

[@jww732]

Absolutely love your channel man! Some of the best solid state curating out there!

[@stevestevens1457]

Every time I see your new vid, I am so glad to see you are back on track with us and keep doing the good work! Keep it up! Cheers! 🤘🏻

[@brad_genx_sk8er]

Just found your channel. I recently picked up one of these amps and I love it. Thanks for doing such a well thought out video. Subscribed.

[@danilor.pavonchavez5192]

So glad that you are Back !!!! my Friend!

[@SilentNightBodomNight]

You’re looking good Ryan! Keep up the great work and awesome content bud.

[@podhditalia]

Glad you're back, hope you're feeling better. Great work as always, especially on Death

[@tylerbrittan593]

Missed ya, man! Glad you’re back on the grind. Killer video, tones, playing, and overall information! Love your videos. 🤘🏻

[@IamtheFerryMan]

Ryan, your content is killing it. Thank you for the efforts and putting stuff out there that's keeping me engaged. Also, dammit, I think I need one of these!

[@car_has_crashed]

Nice to see you back dude

[@JosephAlanOliveros]

hey man, new subscriber here. thoroughly enjoyed watching this episode and the Randall ones. the way you present your videos are very enjoyable to watch! they are thorough and technical yet without getting boring. cheers!

[@maximumguitarage]

Ryan ! Great video. Thanks 🙏!

[@m_b4]

Great video, really enjoyed this one. Another early 2000's use of this amp was on Decapitated's Nihility record, Vogg used it for the leads.

[@StandTallTx]

I love distortions where you can actually hear the strings almost like there's a second clean track layered on top. What a lovely amp! Edit: To comment on why Wayne swapped to the MG series, I remember reading in an interview of him saying that they were cheap and easy to get ahold of especially on tours.

[@bb-sw6ur]

Great job on those Death tones. Was beyond stoked to hear those Symbolic and Spirit Crusher riffs. I wonder how you could mod that knockoff Stealth you got and make it closer to the real thing

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

A pickup swap, and upgrading the bridge and nut would go a long way. The tuners and fret work are actually really decent.

[@bb-sw6ur]

@@PlagueScytheStudios Have a link to the ebay Stealth?

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

www.ebay.com/itm/225394929284?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=322so-acsz2&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=dcsFtQ0XT2e&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[@tobins6800]

DiMarzio X2N pickups are what he used.

[@Jediroller]

Thank you for the effort you put into this video. In Flames early tones would of been cool to hear.

[@djabthrash]

21:35 here you realize how much Metallica style riffing was part of these early Cannibal Corpse records

[@vxdcra]

nuh uh

[@jww732]

Tone is incredible!

[@RubyRoks]

YEEEEEESSSSS!!!! The more i hear these amps, the more i know i gotta get one before the prices shoot up. On the topic of the Static X tone, Firstly, fantastic job. All of today's tones sounded fantastic, but these ones brought a smile to my face. Secondly, I bought a mix lessons from Pro Mix Academy, Specifically, Ulrich Wild mixing Hollow. He mentioned in there "...One thing i did try to do was to use the actual Static X amp that we used, the actual valvestate, that we used for the *first* album...". This, among other comments he makes throughout the lesson, suggest that while the valvestate might have been used on Machine and later albums, it likely wasn't used on every song of a given album. Same goes for the MGs. If they were plugged in and mic'd up, it's possible and very much likely that's what they used, but if Tripp's or Koichi's rigs sounded better, they might have used that. As for how they would have gotten a good metal tone from MGs, well Ulrich is a "Tone is in the right hand" guy, so i guess the only people that get great tones from MGs are Wayne Static and Dave Simpson. I know how you certainly DON'T get a good metal tone from MGs and that's whatever happened during Cult of Static. Fun fact, albeit an off topic one, the guitars on Project Regeneration Vol. 1 were DIs going through Waves PRS Archon, Fortin Nameless, Fortin NTS, and a Line 6 Helix using the Angel Meteor sim depending on the song for both Koichi and Xer0.

[@FyreofShadow]

This video may have convinced me that I eventually need one of these amps

[@pod7450]

Have this amp........love it. Will never get rid of it!

[@ant_yep]

Great video! So informative, i learned alot. Thank you \m/

[@RealmXplore]

Yeppp!!! Just subscribed killer video thank you 👊

[@jww732]

I can not overstate how amazing Prong's sound was on the cleaning! Tommy has some of the greatest riffs ever.

[@imsubbingtoeveryonewhosubs7448]

The cleaning😅

[@djabthrash]

@@imsubbingtoeveryonewhosubs7448 an o.s.t to your weekly housechores

[@depthsofdarknessofficial9677]

Just got my 8100 on trading some tattoo cover up work for one lol 😆, love the fact you mention the bleeding. Absolutely the tone I think of when I this amp is ever brought up but I'm gonna have to copy your settings for that tone with SD 1 as well thanks for the content . It's sick

[@martinbachhausen290]

Great Video 👍🏻 In Flames used the 8100 for The Jester Race from 1996 and probably also for Whoracle. For the Jester Race the 8100 was boosted, maybe with a Super Overdrive or a Metal Zone. And they cut the 400 Hz region quite significantly.

[@rustynales6610]

I played through a valvestate once I love it. It's got great response articulation and is warm and beefy with out being sloppy.

[@moonbeen101]

Just clicked on the video and i know its going to be a great one

[@joshuabeckwith7906]

It's just so tight already. You don't even need a tubescreamer with it haha.

[@humantacos9800]

I learned guitar on this amp. Never got good tone out of it without pedals. I was surprised to hear how many great albums used this rig.

[@ivanzivanovic4013]

very very interesting OD2 knob settings for your 8100 there! I crank my gain and pre-volume lol, and then control the master 💣😜

[@brrav_]

Thanks of the great video! Almost meditative (at least for me). Still one of my favorite amps. Maybe no do-it-all, but what it does, it does right!

[@Anshul1614]

I know “pickups don’t matter anymore” , but I tried to get the symbolic tone with the plug-in version with a guitar with Dimebucker pickups. It was better than my other guitars with other pickups, but then I got the x2n. It was like, there it is, that pickup has some extreme eq config on it and makes a big part of that sound in my opinion.

[@gabrielhersey-sanders3768]

I thought the same thing. I had the X2N in a number of guitars for years, and I truly believe it’s an integral part in getting close to Chuck’s tone. The X2N is such an underrated/misunderstood pickup.

[@jfo3000]

As far as I know, only Glenn is pushing "pickups don't matter anymore". He is just getting into being decent on metal rhythm guitar, not a lead player yet. Feel and how the pickup drives the rest of the rig are also important to the player, not just "how the pups sound in a mix." He's an engineer before player. Have to always consider that with his opinions.

[@Anshul1614]

@@jfo3000 I know, if one wants you can eq something to be anything. Nowadays with eq matching and softwares, pickups can sound like any other pickup but that’s on the production side. For us players, you won’t convince us that all pickups are the same.

[@jfo3000]

@Mr. A Yes! Good to know you (and others) out there are in agreement!

[@holeNhead]

I’m trying to get chucks tone with plug ins rn. Which ones did u use?

[@Stretchwreckedem469]

I wonder how good this amp would sound with a pickup like a Lace Deathbucker in the bridge of a guitar to try and get a super tight, precise sound going straight into a solid state amplifier. Solid state amps tend to always sound better with some kind of rail style passive pickup, even when you boost the amp with some boost pedal like a Boss SD-1, Tube Screamer, TC Electronics Spark booster solid state amps even tend to sound better compared to using a pole piece pickup configuration going straight in, and I feel like the reason why that is is because you have a single piece of metal picking up the signal of the strings, which is absolutely vital for maintaining a consistent and tight tone especially going straight into an amp.

[@Laloelchuggy]

Awesome tone! You should do a similar video but with the Mesa boogie mark series. Recreate the tones in classic albums

[@AbsolyutnayaNenavistThrash]

Finally! Tones))))

[@markka22]

8100, Boss super-overdrive (100 tone and 100 level, 0 drive) and a fuckin oldass cab does the older death tone perfectly

[@shredmonster76]

Fuckin killer man, nailed the tones on those Death albums.

[@thomascoolberth2648]

I, too have added the SD-1 overdrive to my rig.

[@csh9853]

all the valvestates were awesome in my opinon.

[@ottostiefel4907]

Loved the video. I wish they would reissue the amp.

[@kingpriapatius5832]

Fantastic video man, cheers from Greece.

[@derekdamager7928]

Nice work, as is tradition on the channel

[@vestridreaming]

Take my 38 minutes! I can't wait to see what all you go through on this dude

[@guitarrilho502]

My dream amp, I love my 8040

[@brucedickinson8993]

Holy... Death part was AMAZING, you edited all and mixed? congra t u l a t i o n s !!!

[@jannevaatainen]

8 years ago, I bought my 8080 for only 80€. It came with an excellent (for metal) UK Celestion G12K-100 speaker, which alone is worth that 80€, so I basically got the amp part for free. I converted mine to a head, so now it's practically a 8100. I'm pretty sure that these will go up in value. I would recommend hunting down the combos (8080), as they are less rare, thus cheaper, and have that great Celestion in them. Nice versatile amp, but these truly shine on making the most vicious and hateful old school metal sound.

[@matthewearl9824]

Thats wild. I have 2 of these 8100s and I have to crank up the bass to 10 to get any thump out of it.

[@undeilumetoporu]

Prong rules! By the way, Statc x were chasing the same tone Prong had on their Rude awakening album, from 95. Check that out! And about Wayne and the MG...I think he just endorsed that, but never used it in the studio. Great videos, man! Cheers!

[@ExlTube99]

I found this amp with the cab (not that great maybe) second hand. The contour knob is the secret sauce !

[@j_c_93]

The tone you got on your "The Bleeding" recreation is absolutely sick. The Death tones are the most spot-on you've ever done. I guess that's what happens when it's such a simple rig.

[@DocDisco241]

Holy shit the Death tone was nailed.

[@michaelthompson3286]

That Prong album is great, there's something about the Valvestate that has a real sonic signature. Excellent work as always, my friend 🇬🇧🫱🏻‍🫲🏼🇺🇸

[@arsentoplak2635]

I am sorry for the random question, but did you happen to ever try a Fryette amp (Deliverance maybe) and if yes, in very short, what did you think of it? Anyway, great content, big fan. This content is not quick fun, the knowledge and insight stays with me. Cheers!

[@hutrputr]

really cool tones. i was thinking about that Bleeding tone of Cannibal C, and JCM 800 with distortion wasnt used you think?

[@TheMetalProject]

i saw static x live more than any other band back in the early 2000's. I was always in love with the guitar tone. Its why a bought a marshall head with a cab for my first amp setup. eventually sold it because it sounded like booty. wasn't a valve state

[@shanewoodman]

I've heard the Gallien-Krueger ML series amp was used to track Human, and the 8100 was used for the records that followed. It's close but Human doesn't really have that standout Valvestate character that is unmistakable on Symbolic and TSOP.

[@subjectt.change6599]

David Koresh used a Valvestate and a Mesa Mark iii. Killer Praise and Worship tones.

[@slashednoodles]

My Death metal band setup was my DSL100 (I know, not valestate but...) and my SD-1

[@geoili]

Great stuff man. I love this amp. Do you have any videos regarding that "Stealth"?

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

I don't as of right now, but I have more to say on it soon.

[@deadinsidemcgee411]

This amp gave me my most badass tone, I honestly regret selling it.

[@colten2524]

i think i've found my next investment edit: i invested in one today. 2/7/24 edit 2: i learned the hard way that music go round only updates their website once every 24 hours. i didn't get the amp, but i got my money back i guess. i'm currently looking for another one to buy.

[@DatMetalBoi75]

You have a majestic beard my dude

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

Only the finest off-brand lemon Pledge-smelling facial hair care products touch this rats' nest.

[@DatMetalBoi75]

@@PlagueScytheStudios as it is, as it should be, as it shall be

[@ManuSDP]

I’m more of an Ampeg/Crate guy but the Valvestate is legendary!

[@jww732]

Them Ampeg's are deadly.

[@replicant8532]

You got some pretty sick tones. Chuck also used SD-1 with 8100 and Static-X used Valvestate VS100 instead of 8100.

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

When did Chuck use an SD-1 with the 8100? I don't see (or hear) any evidence of it.

[@schuldinerfan95]

@@PlagueScytheStudios exactly. From what I know, Chuck stated that since he used Valvestate, there was no need for (OD/distortion) pedals. And I use my 8100 that I got in July the same way. And the 8080 the same. No need for it and I am in love with my Valvestate 8100.

[@micahwatz1148]

Human sounds great

[@ericb4351]

I really don’t believe cannibal used this on the bleeding. I know there’s that studio pic of Rob Barrett and the 8100 sitting there. But everyone seemed to ignore the Crate GX130C was sitting below it with no logo. Or it was blacked out and that’s the amp that had the LEDs lit up signaling it was In use. Maybe they mixed a touch of the Valvestate but I’m sure that’s it’s still the Crate on Bleeding

[@Freddycash]

The bleeding was recorded with a crate gx130c

[@jww732]

I wish more amps had the loop in the front!

[@RobertoReyesChHC]

MESHUGGAH also used this. I had the pleasure of recordinh with this amp and it def does something no other amp does and well for high gain metal. Youre just SOL if it breaks and you need it repaired lol last time I checked its impossible to find replacement parts for it

[@jww732]

What were your findings using the X2N pickup as opposed to other rail pickupssucks as L500XL / Dimebucker ect?

[@zAvAvAz]

Awesome 35:10 Bleed the fifth i had the originals with tommy Vext vocal. It was better. However their rehire of pro vocalist filled in nicely for what it was. i am use WGS green beret, ET90, and Reaper HP50. Jensen 10" Falcon 40. Jensen Nighthawk 75. With a VH140, a biyang metal end KING in the FX Loop. Noise gateS. plural S. And effects. An 8 string tuned to B. An RG 550 tuned to C. Pikcups are Bareknuckle aftermath 8. i was seriously considering the D Activator X for the RG550 because it is smoother in the mids doesn't clunk as much as the X2N. I am do not use 'Post EQ'. Mics are limited to few. Austrian Audio OD 505 it sounds like a shelved chorus like sound. Then the Telefunkin M80. Beyer Dynamic M160. Now just need to learn how to play. Then record the album.

[@needsLITHIUM]

I wonder if you could blend some freeware plugins and get a similar tone. Like the Audiority L12X and either the LePou HyBrit or something from either Vadim Tiranov or NaLex?

[@clipfishcarsten]

Great tones! Would love to compare that one to my 8200, but sadly I'm not living in the US.

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

Stay tuned 🤫

[@AidenCantrell]

Should try and get Gojiras Terra incognita tone with this. That’s my favorite valvestate tone

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

It's in my notes to sneak it into the next content featuring the Valvestate!

[@AidenCantrell]

@@PlagueScytheStudios nice! Can’t wait to see it!

[@Wheresthepepsibismol]

Man that knockoff stealth looks sick right now im about to buy an knockoff James Hetfield explorer or an Harley Benton victory with active pickups.

[@bradylasserre9320]

ryan, do you still have the fredrik's original pod pro presets? the ones they used on the original nothing release. i had it a while ago but lost it and have been scouring everywhere to find them again.

[@bradylasserre9320]

sorry for asking a question off topic. just figure its my best way to get a response from you. thanks,

[@superufig]

Cool, video, great see you again!! One question, It's possible to compare that with Fractal Ax8/FM3 for example, or how to get sound similiar in this kind of amp modeling? Thanks man!! \m/,

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

Keep an eye on the channel a few videos from now... 🤐

[@superufig]

@@PlagueScytheStudios sure my friend! Ty

[@HetfieldFanBoy]

Can you do a video on this amp but doing the La Sexrosisto by White Zombie

[@m.brandy84]

I am very surprised that all sonds include an treble control beyond noon. With my Valvestate 8080 I move between 9 and 12 o'clock otherwise it gets much too shrill.

[@kievitz]

Hey, if it works, it works :)

[@TheRobphobos]

Cheers for the vid, really enjoyed it sir 😎 Can anyone recommend a decent digital one to mess around with ? I know Audiority have SOLIDUS VS8100, which is probably a gooden.

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

Not to give too much away, but VS8100 is pretty damn good.

[@jeremy888ferris7]

@Plague Scythe Studios I have an 8 string Agile... unfortunatley no one i know plays an 8 string so I don't have anyone to show me how to tune or use it properly. Basically i'm using the bottom six strings as a regular guitar, then playing some bass notes on the top two strings... so basically just kinda mucking around. Wondering if I can use a 7 string or 8 string to play Breaking Benjamin type songs instead of downtuning a regular 6 string to drop C... or if there's any good tutorials on how to use an 8 string properly.

[@jeremy888ferris7]

@unknown enemy thanks! Would you incorporate those F# and B strings along with the E and A strings to play some form of power chords, or do you pick them individually more? Can 7 and 8 string guitars be used to play low songs in lieu of downtuning a regular guitar to drop C etc, or are they pretty much their own animal? I want to learn to play my 8 string, AND I want to play drop C, drop Bb songs (like breaking Benjamin and starset and skillet) just not sure if I I should be combining the two

[@moonbeen101]

I think meshuggah also used an 8100 for some of their earlier material

[@PlagueScytheStudios]

8200 actually, which is the stereo chorus equipped model! It's (nearly) the same preamp design though.

[@nunoharris]

Hi. Whats the year of your amp? Thanks

[@n0wsinn]

12:35

[@gastonjabaly]

I think Those marshalls came with g12s30

[@MBSGAMES_]

Tommy Victor (Prong) also did a great job with this amp for ages 😊

[@JustinWalker951]

Find out what speakers/cabs Chuck used. That'll be a very important part of the tone. Of course, what you hear on the albums is also filtered through whatever mics they were using at what angles to the cab and any kind of eq afterwards.

[@mctwishvonnoodles9793]

I personally have a VS100 which is close enough for me, and I simply shit my pants every time I plug into it. One of the greatest amps ever Also, would you happen to remember where you got the Stealth knockoff? I like pointy guitars and I've wanted a Stealth forever

[@akaboo69]

Chuck used 1960 a on symbolic until end of career

[@mozartpinheiro6159]

Hey man which tuning of tuning do you use to play the songs of death ? this Drop D : DADGBE (D2-A2-D3-G3-B3-E4) or D tuning : DGCFAD (D2-G2-C3-F3-A3-D4) ?

[@Davutragem33337]

D standard tuning always. All songs are in that tuning

[@mozartpinheiro6159]

Thank you very much man, you cleared a big doubt for me @@Davutragem33337