Death of a Game: Marvel's Avengers

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#DOAG . Death of a Game is a series dedicated to uncovering the mysteries surrounding the death of a game or company. nerdSlayer defines the term "death" in the context of the show as either... 1. Literally dead. 2. Had a mass exodus of players and never recovered (expectations etc). 3. The company ceased to exist. We follow a timeline of events, to uncover clues concerning why a game or company doesn't do well, and attempt to put it all together at the end for a deduction explaining how or why the game failed based on the evidence gathered.
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[@alexthering6615]

Jesus, the body isnt even cold yet.

[@DeltafangEX]

That just means we have more information to glean and in a limited time. Let the forensics commence!

[@BDtetra]

Nah they basically shipped a corpse at launch. Everybody knew it was dead before the game even came out.

[@Hornswroggle]

The trail is still fresh 🔍

[@comettamer]

Eh, thats what happens sometimes.

[@Phendoxia]

it was a stillborn

[@TheGagginator]

This has to be the quickest Death of a Game relative to its release.

[@itilkildrenslegacy9605]

Well, it was born dead, tbh

[@redneckedcrake7059]

I think Lawbreakers takes that title, it went from release to the servers actually being turned off within 6 months or so. The population dropped like a lead balloon long before then.

[@Maggot-Milk]

I think culling 2 gets it, this one is high on the list, especially for an AAA game

[@DouchebagDex]

Crucible was aborted.

[@theonly1me]

No, that would be the Cyberpunk Console version lol

[@mikelramirez2585]

Marvel's Avengers: *Borns* Marvel's Avengers: *Breaths once* Marvel's Avengers: *Fucking dies*

[@legacy9134]

It was that covid air

[@ThiagoSilvaHpsombra]

Cyberpunk

[@nerobernardino88]

The game speedran life itself.

[@Marinealver]

I would call it stillbirth more than SIDS

[@ThiagoSilvaHpsombra]

@Le Troll Face The game was crap, i played and the history is simple and dull. 6,5/10

[@colonelmustang854]

Your reminder that Game Informer gave THIS a 8.75/10 while Pokémon Mystery Dungeon got a 3. No, I’m not still salty. Why do you ask?

[@cyrusvile6622]

She gave it a 3/10 because it had to much water

[@ThatGuyChoco]

Game informer are Marvel fanboys

[@drewbakka5265]

Your first mistake was trusting game informer. An astrologer is more valid at telling if a game is good at this rate

[@FemaleAnimeMaster]

Ok but WHICH Mystery Dungeon. That's very important

[@tommyt374]

@@FemaleAnimeMaster Explorers of Sky got a 4.5/10 and many others including myself consider Sky to be the peak of PMD games.

[@lylatdrift]

Ironic. An Avengers game with no 'Endgame'

[@BluePhoenix_]

Heh... Ironic.

[@ITzKavez]

This game really just did a speedrun to it's grave

[@elinfini]

@@SwayRod836 Wasn't that an Xbox commercial?

[@breakerdawn8429]

Ironically, Lego handles the Marvel games better. It had story, plot and so many cast of characters.

[@mabbott946]

I mean, i remember the first superheroes game being amazing. Lego avengers and superheroes 2 aren't that good but they're still better than this trash game

[@rivers5628]

@@mabbott946 lego avengers was cool imo, but I didn't enjoy lego marvel superheroes 2 as much

[@dialexthesmoreeater7687]

Lego games have endgame LMAO

[@cole9058]

Pretty easy when you copy paste source material.

[@dillontyler3002]

@@cole9058 What are you talking about? Lego Marvel Superheroes has a completely unique story

[@Rong_Rong]

Well, that was fast.

[@Jaded_Jinx]

the corpse rot away fast. what're you gonna do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@cyber_stealth9743]

Why are your comments always at the top even with 29 likes

[@sky11dragoon]

Pretty sure you weren't talking about the loading times

[@Cali_Sense]

Wish it was faster.... Could of got a refund.

[@bushturkey798]

I was just thinking that. Didn't this only come out this year?

[@xabbitz6148]

A year later you can officially chalk it up as a dead game, the Spider-Man DLC did nothing for the game and only made it more of a joke. If Spider-Man didn’t save the game nothing can

[@M64bros]

Even if Spider-Man was never a PlayStation exclusive the game itself would have been a tiny bit better.... Well sort of.

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

"Here's spiderman!" *whoo* "Playstation exclusive tho" *boo* "oh and because of that its gonna have to be sripped of extra ontent and polish HEY LOOK SPIDERMAN" *this is pathetic*

[@francisconobrega4940]

Spider man release was so dumb. We have a Spider man game from Insomniac, expectations where high, did they really thought they could release something similar to keep the fans? ahahah

[@ku0n349]

Honestly if this game would have put all their efforts on a single player/friend co-op campaign, I believe it would have been better

[@popjake0177]

For sure. The story and single player missions were very solid for the most part. It’s a shame it wasn’t their focus

[@jor4114]

Seriously, how hard would it have been to include an option to switch heroes in game? Ultimate Alliance had that figured out on the PS2.

[@EngineerOfChaos]

This is what I was going to say. I was hoping this would have been a more cinematic and tighter focused version of Ultimate Alliance. As soon as I found out it was going to be another looter shooter I gave up on the game as a whole.

[@Jaymez2012]

I've been saying this since day 0. I don't think anyone really asked for an avenger's looter game. If the game dropped the looter aspect, multiplayer and RPG mechanics it could've at least made for a good button-masher and the campaign structure would've been much tighter. The fact that the combat can be boiled down to button-mashing isn't really the problem. It's everything else surrounding it that brings it down much further.

[@handler8838]

But they wanted ALL of the monies

[@cattrucker8257]

This time, DOAG actually stands for Dead-on-Arrival Game.

[@briannam1082]

That’s genius

[@HolyApplebutter]

People need to remember when comparing games to NMS that NMS was the *exception* not the *rule* .

[@josh___something]

Also why NMS was so prominent. Because they're the only people that have managed to do it thus far.

[@Jaydee-wd7wr]

“Mind such missteps are the exception, and not the rule.”

[@josh___something]

@@Jaydee-wd7wr and that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

[@TheTriforceDragon]

@@josh___something I would argue FFXIV did as well revamping the game after the disaster that was 1.0.

[@josh___something]

@@TheTriforceDragon yeah, but the mere fact that we can list the number of games that did that on one hand is telling.

[@bubblegumxo]

I don't understand how people thought this was going to be a masterpiece. Literally every last part of this game had mediocre novelty game written all over it! 😂

[@TheGreatDanish]

people have overactive imaginations, i guess

[@scalpingsnake]

I was skeptical but I thought it could be good, never expected it to be a masterpiece I just thought it could be good. I just wish they would put more money into development instead of marketing.

[@slinkbradshaw8674]

You say "avengers" and people drop their drawers

[@wildbastian]

Mediocre novelty, lol, that could have been the title for it's first mission, well said.

[@everythingsgonnabealright8888]

Hype is a mortal enemy of objective reality.

[@nerobiblios4086]

The whole "pulling off a FF14/No mans Sky" argument is fundamentally flawed. Not every game can pull off a comeback, and expecting every poorly doing game to do it is wishful thinking. Sometimes a game just fails and never recovers, hell, it happens more often than a comeback. Pulling off what can only be a miracle for a games life isnt as easy or as possible.

[@FEfan56]

Besides that, Square Enix came and straight out apologized for FF14. None of these other companies would ever do that

[@Psilocybin77]

I still believe in Anthem....jk.

[@FreedomFighterEx]

Most people misunderstood that FF14 come back from the brink of death. It did not. It died. FF14 we all know and alive today is another game entirely. They developing it when FF14 1.0 was dying. The FF14 2.0 is a new game under a new engine.

[@dougphisig]

@@FreedomFighterEx Yeah I can see that I've never played FF14 2.0 purely out of my hatred for how bad FF14 1.0 was I bought the collector's edition of that, even after playing the beta and just thinking oh they are just holding back content (obviously I was way wrong) I was ready to play, and then launch day happened where I couldn't even play which pissed me off more than anything else lol. Even though 2.0 looks like a better game they burned me too bad from 1.0.

[@FreedomFighterEx]

@@dougphisig Understandable since 1.0 is mindbogging bad and outdated. They thought they could just do FF11 again. Turned out they can't. Doesn't help that the lead director mocking players for asking for some improvement or QOL. The new director that got shoved in to save the sinking ship has nothing to do with all the mistakes that happen in 1.0 and yet he steps up to apologize to the community even though it wasn't his fault. That is when the community gave him and game another chance. I don't see western company going to do this. No one going to steps out and takes the responsibility and gut to say "We fucked up". Anyhow, 2.0 is in much much better state now. You can play as free account until up to Heavensward expansion, level cap at 65 to all class, money cap at 100k, and allow to create Au Ra race. Give it a try if you have the time. If 1.0 left you a big bad taste in your mouth and don't want anything to do with FF14 anymore then that's fine too. It is pretty understandable.

[@abbynormal8702]

They didn't need to look like the MCU actors at all. They just needed to look good-looking. This is a visual medium. These models looked like people your aunt works with at Office Max.

[@mariusvanc]

Purposeful. Attractive people are 'unrealistic' and make regular people feel bad, so they are banned to protect our feelings.

[@ericf.a8623]

@@mariusvanc nah they just didn't wanted to pay for better people since they are very expensive

[@kakyointhemilfhunter4273]

@@mariusvanc Get over 2016. If that’s how it worked then every game would have average looking people and last I checked every AAA game still uses models that most people look nothing like

[@Kyrieru]

​@@kakyointhemilfhunter4273 Nope. There have been games were they intentionally made characters uglier than the Mocap actors that played them. The only reason character's aren't all like that at this point is because not everyone is a weirdo. Also, Japan.

[@stevenhair3250]

@@mariusvanc you’re trippin I’m sexy and get treated normal . You must be annoying or entitled

[@KaoruMzk]

*Update:* The developers have officially announced the game will receive no further content updates after March 2023 and all support for the game will cease after September, leaving the game in maintenance mode. Also, the game will be delisted from all digital marketplaces and all cosmetics will be made free for all players.

[@josephhelgersonjoseph6115]

Another thing to add: The promise of no pay-to-win items was broken in October 2021 when they added XP boosts to the in-game store. Crystal Dynamics would end up getting sold off by Square Enix in April 2022.

[@alvintollah]

As a reminder: the next Deus Ex died for this steaming pile.

[@tallscreengabbo]

Deus Ex died because you people didn't buy Mankind Divided... period.

[@stang9806]

@@tallscreengabbo but I did D:

[@TheRoleplayer40k]

@@stang9806 to be fair mankind divided was a bit undercooked and thus didn’t get positive word of mouth The first was great tho

[@JM-fv3wc]

Wait, is Deus Ex dead? NOOO!

[@noahdavis8626]

Mankind Divided killed itself when it decided it was gonna sell PRAXIS kits (skill points, basically, for those unaware) for real money. Oh, not to mention it was incomplete and the story had to be finished through DLC

[@radarphaser]

These live service cash grabs are like free real estate to NS

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

freerealestate.mp4

[@troyX]

NS is Jim Boonie confirmed.

[@iCanHasRandomness]

in what possible way is this game a cashgrab?

[@jbones2766]

@@iCanHasRandomness exactly what I’m saying wth

[@DTDplays]

Easy pickings for NS

[@Marinealver]

"Marketing and Merchandising Teams are bigger than the Development teams." Welcome to the world of AAA oops sorry, it is now called AAAA Games. The $60 AAA games was last year. They are $70 now because you get a 4th A with your game.

[@Marinealver]

@@Zeriel00 that is not the definition of AAAA games. Heck it isn't even the definition of AAA games anymore.

[@Clipperwhiz1]

If this keeps up, we'll have another Video Game Crash just like back in 1983 :(

[@Marinealver]

@@Clipperwhiz1 that might be the only thing that fixes this broken industry.

[@Clipperwhiz1]

@@Marinealver Sadly, sometimes history repeats. :(

[@LazyY91]

The AAAA stands for the duration of the scream we do when they decide to charge 70 bucks for generic unfinished games

[@chrispearce3103]

You missed the biggest failure part of the game!!! The part where you can only play campaign onces! You can not start over and play agin!! Didn't think you would leave that out!

[@PenguinDT]

As a Deus Ex fanboy, I'm here with my popcorn, enjoying watching the train that killed my boy crash and get obliterated. You could say... this is my fetish.

[@ezyglide0909]

From what I heard, it was because the sequel sold poorly due to a micro-transactions system and was barely finished.

[@rikard8386]

At least you have cyberpunk now.... kind of.

[@HarmonicVector]

Why are you locked in the bathroom?

[@TylerSane5]

I'm actually playing through Human Revolution and then Mankind Divided right now sine Cyberjunk $1.99 was a complete shat show! They scammed people big time selling something they new was broke which, we call a scam round here! If I sell you a car I say works perfectly fine and it breaks down on the way home! Guess what? I scammed yeah!! but Deus Ex is amazing so far

[@TylerSane5]

First time playing them too! There my savior

[@NurseValentineSG]

I love how everytime someone mentions quick time events, there is now footage of that Spider-Man 3 fail. It's the best.

[@TheTruePopeFrancis]

I’m going to die!

[@SakurakoLover]

@@TheTruePopeFrancis *BOOOM*

[@Kagutsuchi13]

I know everyone loves to joke about the "knock-off stunt double" character designs, but why did the Avengers in-game NEED to be the ones from the movie? The Spider-Man game's Peter Parker was visually his own character and a lot of people liked his design - nobody was clamoring for Tom Holland PS4 Spider-Man. I think it would have been perfectly possible to make the designs of the Avengers work without needing the likenesses of the movie actors - I feel like the bigger problem is it looks like they went "eh...close enough to the actors" instead of trying to make them their own unique versions for the game.

[@hush7652]

Invalid comparison please use your brain. There have been countless game spider mans and 3 different movie spidermans. Robert Downey Jr as Ironman is about 5000 times more iconic than tom holland as spiderman. Its a design that works

[@StrikeNoir105E]

​@@hush7652 Except that Tony Stark in anime and videogames since actually don't look like Robert Downey Jr. at all beyond superficial similarities common to the character. As long as you make the character look good, it doesn't matter if they don't look like the characters from another adaptation.

[@razmatazz9310]

They look like shit either way. To me they look like they were all based on the same face with a couple of sliders moved around to change some facial features.

[@aka-47k]

@@StrikeNoir105E this is exactly it, they didnt simply made stunt doubles, they made mass effect andromeda stunt doubles. true they dont need to look like the actors, but they need to look good and not uncanny.

[@JAhz-um7gz]

The reason why No Man’s Sky was able to resurrect itself was because the devs behind it were incredibly dedicated to fixing their game. They had real genuine passion. That’s why you’ll never see a high profile triple A game make a comeback like that. EDIT: ok guys I’m talking about from complete laughingstock to polished work of art, not “oh it was busted day 1” or something. Though I guess FF14 is a good example.

[@Bolt451]

Um master chief collection

[@flamenco_7258]

Um battlefront 2

[@Shabazza84]

"Resurrect".... idk. The game was still boring and empty as heck. This time polished and boring.

[@jorgemanriquez5893]

@@Shabazza84 maybe sand box games are not your thing, same reason why i see fighting games boring.

[@JAhz-um7gz]

@blahblahblah1312 rude :(

[@xarporte]

It feels like Tony Stark built this game in a cave with a bunch of scraps and sold It to Square Enix.

[@Montesama314]

Hey, Tony Stark made something briefly awesome and innovative in the cave, not busted and overdone out of the gate.

[@xarporte]

@@Montesama314 lol it was awesome but when you give it to CD and they say "games as a service" instead of single player you get a knockoff made by Justin Hammer.

[@brocolee6353]

That sounds like a compliment. Gets bombarded thought he was gonna die, makes a scrappy armor suit then survives. Polishes that rusted piece of crap and becomes an icon...wait how many years did that take?

[@xarporte]

@@brocolee6353 it makes you think he makes the ultimate weapon and leaves it in the desert and does not think to go back to destroy it or make sure there is no trace even though he goes back for payback. They almost killed him with his own weapon at the beginning of the movie.

[@filipeg165]

The moment I equipped my first piece of gear and didn't see it visually on the character, I immediately got a refund.

[@anonymouslyanonymous7899]

I was disappointed by this too. Kinda was expecting it to be like the injustice 2 gear system :/

[@ThatDorkyReviewShow]

Yea that’s a lie 😂 but get ya Joke on

[@ThatDorkyReviewShow]

@@darthdater883 who was talking to you Darth Hater 😂

[@ThatDorkyReviewShow]

@@darthdater883 you my good sir have my total permission 😂...I here by grant thee full access to “Darth Hater ..Let me install it cyberpunk style lol

[@ThatDorkyReviewShow]

@@darthdater883 cyberpunk from what I hear is far better on a beefy pc and next gen consoles but last gen got left in the dust so bad they almost should have made it next gen only , it’s honestly a system seller and I wouldn’t bought a ps5 for it if they phocused on next gen only etc...I still have to try ghost of Shushima as well as I hear it’s great tho ....

[@I_am_ENSanity]

Anytime I hear "live service" I immediately lose all interest.

[@newdivide9882]

Honestly, that’s the root of all this game’s problems, besides the bugs. All they had to do was make a brawler type game with any of the millions of storylines that the comics have. Instead, they decided to make (probably against their will) the most “Spat out of a corporate boardroom” video game ever created. Seriously, what other game in history has skins based on your cellphone service provider???

[@wilm2109]

To be frank, I'm glad the game was a flop just for that reason. Live service games are cancer to the industry, I hope higher ups get the message to stop making them after enough failures.

[@belhariry]

@@newdivide9882 Just use Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 as a template. That game is graphically crap but it's so fun, I'm still playing it years later.

[@mostafaabdelhamid3494]

Live service doesn't HAVE to be bad.. Monster hunter world is one example

[@rodriguezracer4567]

@@mostafaabdelhamid3494 Facts. Live service is such an amazing concept. But thanks to scummy, greedy, and inept publishers/devs, it's now a tainted system.

[@AvelierPlays]

Marvel’s Avengers: Destiny of Anthem’s Division 76

[@justblaze_stephano3002]

Marvel's Avengers: Cyber Assassins Division 76

[@Nebulous_Neuhaus]

Marvel's Fast and Furious Anthemvengers: 76: Lawbreakerspoint: Crucible

[@emperorpalpatine7914]

Destiny 2 has more players right now

[@flaurosan]

This comment was AFTER the cyberpunk release

[@overwatchiraphahell5330]

Destiny is not dead

[@leonarddillon256]

Too soon? Nah. Marvel's Avengers the game died out like a fart in the wind. We all smelled how bad it was and moved on with our lives after it was done.

[@dylan8736]

Like a TURD, in the WIND.

[@kyotheman69]

saw how bad it was just watching E3 trailer, no in game play is never good sign, its basically Anthem all over again, they had no clue what they were doing with this game and Marvel is worse company to deal with when making said game, Square should refused to make the game and just had Edidos make Deus Ex 3 instead

[@wpole33]

@@aBucketOfPuppies how did they scam the fans? They fixing bugs and adding free dlc. Now if we want to address scam, lets talk cyperpunk.

[@recyclebin4298]

marvel avengers: exists marvel avengers a day later: existn't

[@MarcsVideoDumpster]

Remember: Deus Ex died for this

[@Gyrfalcon312]

"I didn't ask for this."

[@yutro213]

And Thief. Not to mention Square Enix forced Crystal Dynamics to drop main development of Shadow of the Tomb Raider, which turned out to be underwhelming game which plenty of recycled stuff from previous 2 games, and the worst offender, *Square Enix got rid of IO Interactive!*

[@HibHab69]

Deus Ex died for this game, just thought I would remind everyone of this.

[@ayushsinghchauhan9558]

I dont understand, can u elaborate?

[@beepmoo8771]

What a shame. I never asked for this. Yeah, rip.

[@theshaggy617]

@@ayushsinghchauhan9558 Constant studio meddling in Mankind Divided that literally resulted in the game being split into two caused it to fail to produce the profits they had expected, it still made money - just not as much as they wanted. They then decided to shelf the whole Deus Ex franchise and focused on this avenger game. That has ironically produced no profit at all not even including the massive amounts of cash they poured into making this game.

[@ayushsinghchauhan9558]

@@theshaggy617 ohh i get it now, thanks bruh

[@cattysplat]

Marvel Heroes to a lesser extent too. I have no doubts they increased the license cost to impossible levels once they received the pitch from Square Enix about making a AAA Avengers, or simply gave them exclusive rights just straight up murdering any possible future for Heroes.

[@Zhaelph]

This one went straight from the shelf into the chopping block lmao

[@kyotheman69]

it pretty much skipped the shelf and went to chopping block, this was DOA

[@viper6220]

Who's watching this after it was announced the game is shutting down on September 30th?

[@realIronKnight]

Hello Ton

[@viper6220]

@@realIronKnight Hello Iron The Damm Knight

[@williek08472]

Me

[@backfire3017]

as the words of a wise man: "I retire for what? like 5 minutes and it all goes to shit."

[@gamerwits4329]

Anthem Award Nominees for 2020 1. Marvels Avengers 2. Godfall Choose who will be this year Anthem Awardee.

[@Afura33]

3. Cyberpunk

[@marcusss7565]

Godfall definitely, that’s hardly playable, at least avengers can be somewhat enjoyable as a mindless brawler

[@jimjas9545]

@@Afura33 atleast cyberpunk still has a chance to redeem itself if they manage to successfully pull out a no man's sky.

[@darrenhergert8801]

@@jimjas9545 Even with all of the bugs Cyberpunk is still fun to play.

[@Afura33]

@@steamfeuver yes and this fact makes it even worse with all the bugs derp

[@Larry]

What irked me was how misleading the trailers, even the demo was. I was totally expecting it to be akin to Batman: Arkham or the PS4 Spider-Man games, and for an Avengers game that would have worked amazingly, maybe even a MetroidVania type concepts. But looter shooters are the definition or repetition for me, complete misuse of the property. But then again Crystal Dynamics have really lost their way lately, this and Shadow of the Tomb Raider were huge disapointments. Third Strike and they're going the way of Core Design.

[@HiddenGemsReviews]

It had all the makings of just being a fun co-op beat 'em up with friends, but Squeenix couldn't resist that allure for microtransactions. Ultimately it's what drove everyone away: They played the campaign and got what they wanted out of it, and decided to shelf the game without buying into its economy.

[@Cyael]

it COULD have been done well. Wouldn't have been for everybody but how it was executed isn't for anyone really. Ugly, Unfinished, Glitchy, Buggy, Incompetent and Forced. 2 villains on repeat, a campaign that STILL CAN'T BE REPLAYED, Girl Mr.Fantastic & Girl Archer -_- and a shop with nothing anyone wants to buy. How do you screw up a Marvel Shop??? Ask yourself.

[@solid_snake9708]

Hey Larry hope you doing good brother, And hope the the weight loss is still going good. Saw pictures some time ago and you were killing it.

[@Largentina.]

@@HiddenGemsReviews While the microtransactions are terrible, that is not the reason for this game failing.

[@HiddenGemsReviews]

@@Largentina. No, but it is what pivoted the overall design for the game having shoddy looter elements, repetitive mission structure, and battle passes for the characters: Keep 'em hooked long enough to feel invested, and maybe they'll get some fake funbucks to buy some costumes. Microtransactions aren't the only thing at fault, but they're certainly the main reason it has so many half baked systems.

[@Juanhernandez-zx7kt]

6:36 I mean the cast would be nice if I didn’t see Troy Baker, Nolan North, and Laura Bailey voice act together in the same game for the 50th time.

[@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow]

Major Voice acting is such a tiny pool of actors no matter the country

[@sdfxcvblank5756]

@@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow no, higher a no name and take a wrisk. i wont accept such a frivolous excuses

[@diegodunn-humphrey512]

Ok mr wrist taker

[@TQsquad]

@@diegodunn-humphrey512 lmfao im crying

[@luckyducky7819]

I would much rather have established names for big budget games. That's not to say up and coming voice actors shouldn't get their chance, but its silly to say "Lets have our big budget AAA game that we poured millions into have novice voice actors! That surely won't blow up in our faces!".

[@JakeNubbin]

"My Mexican-American Dad as Iron Man" is not only a great line but it's also a decent pitch too

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Lmaooo

[@Larry]

3:39 probably how you phrased that, but Core Design were behind the creation of Tomb Raider, Crystal Dynamics took over to reboot the IP after the utter dumpster fire bomb that was Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Total blunder to be honest, I thought this was a Square/Square Enix situation and didn't realize until now it's Core Design...not Crystal Design. WELL PLAYED LARRY.

[@BlackVulcan22]

ELLLOOoO0, Y0000oOO0U!

[@comettamer]

Well, HELLO YOUUUU! Good to see you around Larry!

[@Lamadredetuamigo]

“This is worse than being corrected by a Channel Awesome member” - Gex the gecko, made by Crystal Dynamics.

[@bustergundo516]

I beat Angel of Darkness last year and it is truly a dumpster fire.

[@Wizworp]

Damn this might be the quickest game to join the Death of a Game series lmao

[@dsixlmjr6960]

SPEEDRUN BABY

[@aquapendulum]

Godfall: [sweating intensely]

[@donniebravo19]

Godfall died waaaayyyyy quicker than Avengers

[@_Libosido]

I guess Cyberpunk will be faster :D One week after release, Sony removed the game from their PS Store :D ...for PS players the game "died" very quickly :D

[@donniebravo19]

@@_Libosido So True! Let's see if others recognize that too

[@darkwater124]

It's okay. They figured out how to revive the game! Make it even more grindy and tedious!

[@thewhompingwampa2671]

Such genius. Kill the game hard enough and it's bound to come back to life... Right?

[@fumbleweeddumblecock2360]

Only by looking at their faces, you can tell that this game was purely made to sell digital costumes to children, instead of being made to give you an experience like that offered by the films.

[@current9300]

I bet corporate suits still will not learn that pulling off successful long term AAA live service game is rare, even if it was actually good.

[@MoraFermi]

Oh the suits will absolutely notice. That $70mil hole will affect a lot of bonuses and people notice that. The problem is that we won't see the effects of that for at least 3-5 years, since it's all but impossible to rework generic live-service looter-shooters into interesting games. I suspect we'll see 2-3 major new live service games drop (Starfield most likely!) and then fail before a new breed of games -- the ones taking a sharp 90 degrees turn away from the iceberg right now -- show up.

[@cmdraftbrn]

like the suits care as long as they walk to bank laughing their asses off.

[@Psilocybin77]

These companies have this pipedream of creating this golden goose like blizzard did.

[@Marinealver]

They already got the solution. AAAA Game Studios!!!!! Giving you Next Gen AAAA Videogame titles starting at $70.

[@Haplo699g]

Think you missed a couple of clues there, to be fair there's a lot, not being able to replay the campaign and the exclusivity of Spider-Man.

[@sarysa]

That last one absolutely hurt sales on non-Sony platforms.

[@noELrunes]

wait wtf. you can't replay the campaign? that's a new one that I hadn't heard of

[@NeonSuperNovas]

The exclusivity of Spider-Man wouldn’t have been a problem. It would have hurt some players feelings, but that’s about it. It wouldn’t have been bad enough to ruin the player base or anything.

[@Toastybees]

@@NeonSuperNovas I specifically did not buy it because Spider-Man was exclusive. Sony is anti-consumer.

[@aresrain7850]

@@noELrunes yer u can now

[@Rockmanbalboa]

its funny, if Crystal Dynamics didnt consider the movies likenes, theres always the comic as basis.

[@anonymouslyanonymous7899]

It burns me on the inside how they tried to make it "unique" but I would have preferred 1000 times a campaign based on the movies than this...

[@pascalsimioli6777]

Also...too expensive? You're Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics: you want my money? You spend your billions and get those right. You ain't no indie studio.

[@chrisowens9371]

@@anonymouslyanonymous7899 well obviously you want a game based off the movies since that’s who you know more than the comics

[@ascarif592]

the fact that no marvel game can touch the high pedestral that Ultimate Alliance stands on is disheartening. They should just truly resurrect that one and make modules and addons based on whatever big xover or movie they have going at the time Marvel Heroes and now Avengers both totally failed to capitalize on the richness of Marvel you can basically take any comic story and turn it into a short little mission or a longer quest chain.

[@guyfeeyeti375]

“This is just like Halloween at Kevin Feige’s house” -Gex

[@Marinealver]

@@ungreatfulduck750 Gex would get canceled.

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

"This is like eating gabagool at tony sopranos's house"

[@KongoKaiNi]

The body is still warm, this is a recent death

[@gionaldori5811]

ahh look, a bottle of "game as a service" pill in the cabinet cause of death: drug overdose it is

[@Ramsey276one]

The death throes were QUITE A SPECTACLE getting Time Of Death is just a relief, really XD

[@hawuyosafat9047]

Self administered poison i see....poor bastard choked on his own vomit

[@wpole33]

This game one come back like Christ

[@ZombieGuy2401]

It’s stunning that they’re still working on this. It’s like watching a rotten corpse being held up and moving with a bunch of strings

[@chloec4127]

I remember my choir teacher being so excited for this game, like it was a well known thing he talked about that we would start class asking if he saw the recent trailers. Almost over night when it released his tone changed and I was so confused at what happened as I didn’t follow the game at all.

[@leerose8628]

Damn when I read that title it genuinely took me a while to even remember that this game existed. I honestly feel bad for the people who worked on it.

[@notabot3717]

Same

[@sognar2240]

IGN was the voice of reason? The "9 out of 10 there is a little bit of something for everyone" guys? It is truly the end times

[@ToasterWaffles]

They gave it a 6/10

[@edadankmemes]

@@ToasterWaffles Yeah, that’s like a D rating.

[@darkshadowmere]

if they called it, “Marvel Ultimate Alliance,” or something similar to that, it would’ve been better. When you see “Marvels Avengers,” people will automatically think of the MCU actors and movies, comparing the two. t

[@foxxsiker7505]

When people see "Marvels avengers" their first thought is usually the general cast and comic books. Besides, ultimate alliance 3 was for the switch and title taken.

[@amharbinger]

Guardians of the Galaxy surpassed Marvel's Avengers in acclaim and player count with way less marketing. It's clear Square is slowly removing support for the game especially how quickly people forget or cared about the Spider-Man update.

[@stefanstenroos6344]

Deus Ex died for this. That is all.

[@rodrigofernety]

F

[@asahitownboys]

What a shame. It was a good series. *Lipsmack* What a rotten way to die.

[@husseinallam9507]

Yeah because deus ex sucked

[@achillesandhispal4196]

"Marvel Powers United" is also scheduled to be shut down in 2021. The investigation is quick... It was an online VR game.

[@nivlheim09c97]

You can actually call this dead now. officially.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Or that I was spot on and right, and they just now announced it. rofl

[@Winasaurus]

The doctor may officially declare the death, but the detective finds the body long before.

[@TabletopJunk]

I was surprised to see you didn't mention anything about the performance issues the game suffered from, starting from the first public beta into launch. The game ran absolutely terribly on console, and even decent PC's, with an almost constant frame drop in combat. Matchmaking also just didn't work, you wouldn't be able to find any other players, regardless of how long you waited. Needless to say, this was a terrible first impression for peoples first hands on experience when trying the beta.

[@dylan8736]

The mexican dad should be Antonio Starch.

[@lgndk11r]

And Captain America's pre-serum double, Captain Puerto Rico!

[@OMartinez91]

I understood that reference!

[@thomasguy8700]

Lmao

[@michaeldeleon2986]

I don’t see the Mexican in the tony stark. Looks like a bearded white guy to me

[@MaJuV]

@@michaeldeleon2986 They're referencing the AngryJoe review, who did a skit on the "Avengers body doubles" joke, with Antonio Starch & Captain Puerto Rico. ;-)

[@suerennsl93]

REMINDER Deus Ex was canceled for this.

[@nebufabu]

Maybe, it's not such a bad thing... I mean, Marvel can survive a video game flop, and Deus Ex is still fondly remembered and can be resurrected. If it was Deus Ex and the team made a similar dumpster fire looter without loot...

[@kyotheman69]

well its probably back on track again, marvel game was total bust, Square for sure wants make money this time

[@jimbeaux89]

No complaints here

[@NowThatsA...]

>:(

[@melancholyentertainment]

Good

[@andrewtaylor940]

Also lets note one detail here that should be a warning to game publishers everywhere. This game made $100 million in sales at launch. Was the top selling game for weeks. Yet still lost $62 million in a matter of months? You're doing it wrong, and it's a bit more basic than gameplay issues. This is called obscenely budgeting your project well past the point of rationality. If they had spent $20 million on making it, it would have been the years greatest money maker. And honestly it probably would not have altered the gameplay or fun factors in any way. They spent way too much on shit that doesn't bring returns.

[@honeycrispTV]

I know this review is 2 years old, but I just wanted to say I was, at one point, excited for this game. I passed it up after the terrible launch and bad reviews, then tried it later in 2022 when I got the game for free. This game was such a mix of good concepts and terrible/rushed execution. I tried it and gave it a fair shake. Some of the core combat is quite fun. The levels are bland and boring and feel empty. The enemies are all too similar and the AI is fairly braindead. It is sad in a teeth-gritting way. When you play as characters like Thor, Cap and Iron Man, you can FEEL where the game has potential to shine. It is genuinely quite fun to do their little combos and blast off the special moves, the game even has some cool skins and emotes. 4 player co-op is always a great concept, too! And, oh yes, the bugs and glitches. Very laughable at times. Tons of broken mechanics still 2+ years after launch. Everytime I think of this game, i keep wondering just how they botched it so badly! All the ingredients were there for a successful game.

[@TevyaSmolka]

These life services cash grabs really need to go away.

[@eamonndeane587]

And Burn in Mephisto's Realm.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@eamonndeane587 lol indeed

[@dorn0531]

Won’t happen until people stop buying them. There will always be suckers that preorder the latest shiny thing sadly

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@dorn0531 yeah that's true man this sucks.

[@Marinealver]

Remember in order to die you have to be a Live Service.

[@EvernhamNo9]

Me: Give me Deus Ex Square Enix: No, I don’t think I will.

[@Jayzgame]

Life support lasted a fair bit, but here we are at last.

[@flexican5399]

This was hilarious and everyone knew it was gonna flop. IGN was doing all those round tables hyping it up. Also your Spanish is good, just very gringo . gg

[@abhinavjain8672]

Biggest mistake ,No good loot in a looter shooter and all of the cosmetics locked behind pay walls despite the 60$ price tag on a genre where customizing your character is a core aspect

[@jesusisking3722]

@kollie79 Don't cap, market skins are mostly recolors. And overpriced. Some of them are new though and cool. Like unworthy thor. But overall they could've done better.

[@MrWashesp]

A looters shooter with as much grindable content as anthem

[@kingsteve4304]

I knew this game would eventually come up in this corner of the net

[@pdpMASTERP]

gratz on getting a sponsor! you deserve it.

[@josephrobinson6171]

“Death of a game: Cyberpunk 2077” on the horizon?

[@jackdaone6469]

What pisses me off the most is this: Square canceled Deus Ex 3 in favor of this game. Avengers bombing is a bad sign, as they could very well shutdown Eidos Montreal as a result.

[@cattysplat]

You would prefer they are a studio that is forced to make DLC and costumes for eternity as the Marvel cash cow? No more Tomb Raider or Deus Ex ever then. Better to let it die so we get better games instead of games as a service garbage.

[@jackdaone6469]

@@cattysplat I would prefer that we get another Deus Ex game.

[@captaineri.223]

Eidos probably caused this madness

[@davidroudebush6947]

Guardians of the galaxy game is eidos last chance

[@seyrenwindstorm]

This proves the theory that Hawkeye is the most important Avenger.. He keep the team together.

[@marvingonzalez8586]

Avengers 1: Won The Battle Age Of Ultron: Won The Battle Infinity War: Lost The Battle Endgame: Won The Battle Hawkeye was there everytime they won it ain't a coincidence

[@NataliaNeeSama]

But we got Kamala Khan as replacement, because Marvel insist in try to make her popular.

[@marvingonzalez8586]

@@NataliaNeeSama well she's getting a tv show so it makes sense to put her in the game, but maybe not put her as a main character

[@NataliaNeeSama]

@@marvingonzalez8586 I dunno why they still try to make her a centerpoint after what they did to her on her own comics. She did pretty villain stuff and creepled one of her friends for life. @_@

[@marvingonzalez8586]

@@NataliaNeeSama yeah marvel has really been messing up with their heroes lately

[@bobert4108]

This video is how I found you, great content and it's cool to binge old death of a game videos and see the steady improvement if your content😁👍👍

[@_darkjay_]

i was about to type "if destiny 2 is here where is warframe?" you saved it right on time xD

[@hush7652]

Warframe sucks

[@_darkjay_]

@@hush7652 and you clearly have too much free time to think saying that here is gonna change anything :)

[@hush7652]

@@_darkjay_ facts are facts wdym "change anything"

[@aliceiscalling]

To add on to your "budget Marvel" point, Iron Man specifically was a big point of contention. A lot of people felt that wasn't Iron Man. His voice lines reminded many people of Deadpool, and I remember some people finding them grating. It was a big disappointment for anyone who really wanted to fight as Iron Man.

[@joshuaseagondollar2495]

I mean considering he's voiced by Nolan North? Who voices Deadpool in a lot of games? I'd be more shocked if he *didn't* sound like Deadpool. Which is obviously a problem since it's supposed to be Tony Stark.

[@SovietChicken64]

>Talks about the glory days of “fan-favorite” Marvel Vs Capcom >Shows footage of MvC: Infinite Bro BRO

[@JoelBurger]

He also said Funko Pops look quality, go easy on him he knows not what he does.

[@fevierenie671]

MvCI is a fun game, don't @ me. Some models just look like shit.

[@mrrdirty6198]

@@fevierenie671 And has a shitty roster.

[@fevierenie671]

@@mrrdirty6198 I dunno, you have all the functions you need : ^)

[@LostOneOmega]

@@fevierenie671 OK, that was funny

[@BeHempy]

Got the game for free with a CPU purchase. Played it for about 2 hours. Uninstalled. It's trash.

[@Riwul]

Ns: *talks about the success of looter shooters and from which games they primarily come* Also Ns: *doesnt mention borderlands whatsoever* Me: *heavy breathing*

[@VCXZ883]

Me: "Who uploads videos at 1:00AM?!" nerdSlayer: "Oh boy, 1:00AM!"

[@Nabo42]

Kid: I want to play with the Avengers! Mom: we have Avengers at home! Avengers at home:

[@andrewtaylor940]

"The fun and imaginative campaign featuring Kamala Khan" Oh dear... Yeah here's the thing. Kamala Khan/New Ms. Marvel is not a bad character... but she sure as shit is not what Avengers fans signed up for. And as presented in the game she feels like the worlds most annoying self insert fanfiction/fangirl character. Yeah you want a player avatar, but "reee'ing fangirl" is a rather bad design choice. It doesn't help that Kamala is a rather niche character that Marvel keeps trying to force into popularity, and failing at at every turn. (people may scream SJW Diversity Agenda or whatever, but honestly my suspicion is it mostly comes from the fact that Marvel's Senior VP of "Nobody Knows What The Fuck She Does" Sana Amanatt has a creator credit on the character, and thus gets royalty payments above and beyond her executive salary whenever she is used like this. Yeah notice the upcoming Disney+ series featuring her? You now understand why). Avengers fans want to play as Thors, Iron Man, Black Widow and the Hulk. Not the David Cronenborg'esque Body Horror that is Big Hands Girl. And yeah the lack of movie actor likenesses and voices is a huge negative. Marvel does this alot for some reason. Hasbro released that really cool talking animatronic Deadpool severed head prop last year. It would have been a must have fan item to go on the shelf between the fans Iron Man and Starlord helmets. But they didn't license Ryan Reynolds to do the voice work. And thus it hit like a fart in the wind. Sometimes you gotta pay extra to insure success.

[@kakyointhemilfhunter4273]

I heard her character was actually really popular and her debut comic or something like that sold extremely well, even compared to batman

[@svfin]

@@kakyointhemilfhunter4273 Her comic runs were cancelled several times and her comics havent been able to maintain a consistent run, yet marvel keep trying to promote her they kinda did the same with squirrel girl. If a character cant maintain a consistent run without being cancelled after a few issues I dont think he or she is a very popular character.

[@kakyointhemilfhunter4273]

@@svfin Must’ve been a different character then

[@Evets_03]

It’s official. No more support and updates after September 2023. If only square enix was as smart and competent as DICE. Actually, scratch that. I mean this came could’ve been redeemed like battlefront 2 Edit: now it’s October 2023 and this game is officially gone. I’ll make another edit when SSKJL follows the same fate. 2nd edit: well it’s here.

[@TanKLoveR]

You forgot to mention all those partnership costumes like the AT&T outfits and a few others lol this game was a dumb cash grab.

[@Rick586]

Wait, so you can dress up the superheroes like phone salesmen?! XD

[@TanKLoveR]

@@Rick586 Hahaha no, basically all their outfits had the same colors as AT&T and Verizon, it looked terrible.

[@ienzo69demy]

As a Warframe fan, I'm sorry others were antagonistic previously. I'm also happy however to see the game gets its mentions.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Appreciate it buddy

[@300IQPrower]

Ditto

[@markdeluccia]

You missed the fact it launched a buggy mess. It's never promising when the first patch has 1000+ fixes...

[@gosphor2826]

that's basically a given for any AAA game released

[@samouser1011]

Uğur Tatbak Yes and no, I honestly don’t remember games like Red Dead 2, God Of War (PS4), hell even Spider-Man (PS4) having major glitches at launch. To this day those games have never crashed on me, and never needed to put out a post saying that they’ll fix the game.

[@mr.preston1632]

@@gosphor2826 Cough cough sonic 06 cough cough ris of lyric cough cough cough cough

[@ohbejuankenobi663]

When you get an Avengers game you want to play as one of the major avengers, not some nobody character, its that simple.

[@greydescendantofrats9443]

When the Case Closed music plays at the summation, I feel it.

[@Starexe97]

Let this game and Anthem be a warning to greedy game companies out there: IT DOES NOT WORK IF MONEY IS THE ONLY ULTIMATE GOAL!

[@d4rkst3r77]

If money was the ultimate goal then why would all the dlc be free and only micro transaction is costumes

[@Starexe97]

@@d4rkst3r77 Sigh... alright here we go: 1. Free DLCs and cosmetic-only mtx does not mean that the game is "generous". Also, what makes you think that it is a true DLC like Witcher 3, which is an actual additional content on top of the full game, not a full game cut into smaller pieces and published separately at different time frames? Even Destiny 2 and WoW, despite many criticism, release a lot of content in a single time frame. They release additional contents in regular intervals, but each release provide full experience already so the players do not felt ripped-off. This one? Well, the player count speaks for itself. 2. The cosmetic-only battle pass is separated for each hero with 10 USD each. Dota 2 and Fortnite battle pass give more cosmetic stuff in the same price. That is also on top of; 3. The box price being 40-60 USD (depending on where you lives and whether discounts are available) 4. Even if they are that generous like Dota 2 or CS:GO where the money is just for cosmetics and new gameplay stuff (aka DLCs) are free, remember you have paid 40-60 USD to get the game. Why not provide more free cosmetics OR cosmetic-bound loots for that already expensive of a game? Dota 2 and CS:GO does sell expensive cosmetics, but remember that they are F2P games. Also, constricting cosmetic stuff in looter-based games are not as enjoyable as in pure PvP games; cosmetic is an integral part in looter-based games, but not in PvP games. Having a loot that you cannot see does not provide the "joy" you get when receiving that loot like in other games. 5. And lastly, if you watch the video, you'll see that even NS said it himself: they are trying to sell the Marvel's Avengers branding while providing subpar (if not below standard) content, depending on the fans to buy the games based on the brand itself instead of the ACTUAL game content, seeing on how the powerful the marketing is (heck, I believe they spent most of the money on marketing). On the other hand, the game is full of bugs, the combat feels klunky, average campaign, etc.

[@Gyrfalcon312]

Shout it louder, hehe. Maybe someone at Marvel will read your comment and get some change happening 👍

[@Starexe97]

@@Gyrfalcon312 sure!

[@areallyboredindividual8766]

I'm glad Avengers failed. Deus Ex was murdered because of that shoddy cashgrab, it deserves to fail.

[@Navigatortrue]

Miss Marvel was a deeply unpopular character looking at the number of reboots her comics got.

[@AlexTenThousand]

Ultimately, I feel like this is just yet another "Eidos move" - not because I'm trying to cleanse Square Enix of any blame, but rather because even after becoming Square Enix Europe, Eidos seemed to go on with the same behaviour as before. Overhyping the game through the press (Kane & Lynch: Dead Men, anyone?), splitting development teams and causing chaos by sending mixed signals (the Angel of Darkness debacle and the random microtransactions in Deus Ex: Mankind Divided), and ultimately, abandoning ship and leaving the developers to face the music - though at the very least, it doesn't seem like Crystal Northwest and Crystal Dynamics will meet the unceremonious end that Core Design did.

[@hellenkeller9467]

If this man talks about your game you know you’ve messed up.

[@TheFurboFin]

Never seen one of your videos, but I loved your intro and overall style, keep up the great content

[@Lightbarer6]

Every game can’t be online “games as a service” no reason for them to go in that direction.

[@nomercy8989]

You can tell there was an attempt to make a good game but then the suits told them to make it more like Destiny and Fortnite

[@SpaghettiGod34]

It already feels like it’s been a year or two since I heard about Marvel Avengers even tho it came out this year. Yikes

[@pocketheart1450]

That's just 2020 being 2020.

[@rubeng370]

First video I saw from you and I subscribe :D this was great

[@dragonman011]

I'll never really agree with the likeness complaint people do have with the game, mainly cause while the movie's success helped push this game forward, it was obvious they also wanted this to be its own thing. So why get the exact likeness of the MCU actors when it's not an MCU game? It's kind of like if the PS4 Spider-Man game launched with Peter Parker looking like Tom Holland even if it has nothing to do with the MCU (The irony of this given the remaster change). When it comes to these sorts of properties, it's the *characters* that need to be represented well. Not the actors playing the characters. These characters acted like the Avengers I'm familiar with, so they're fine representations regardless of their similarity to the MCU or not.

[@RealCoachMustafa]

It doesn't look like it's own thing though. Spider-Man for PS4 looks like it's own thing and obviously isn't trying to copy the movies or anything. This on the other hand looks like it's trying to look like the movie characters while also trying to not look like them at the same time.

[@Theleastofusofficial]

Came in the comments to say this. That's the first point he talks about, and I just had to let out a huge eyeroll as my first instinct. Idk why a lot of people complain about the "likeness".

[@ThatDorkyReviewShow]

As a matter of fact people did complain about the remaster looking too much like Tom Holland lol so it’s kind of ironic 😂

[@Chadius]

If you make a photorealistic artstyle, people will compare it to realistic portrayals. So people will compare it to the movie. They should have gone for a more cartoony artstyle. No one complains about Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 looking "not like the movies."

[@thatoneguy2869]

There are so many times the game takes quotes from the cinematic film and copy pasted it into the game. To be honest, it felt like it was hinging entirely on the context of the cinematic universe rather than being its own thing, and that’s what really got people.

[@drewbakka5265]

Man I'd be stoked if iron man looked like my dad