DEATH VALLEY NP: "TOYOTA vs. JEEP in Echo Canyon"

[@Rollyman]

Thanks Jon for setting up and leading us on these trails. What a scenic and relaxing trails!! It was great meeting everyone. Nice video!!👍👍

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for coming out Rolly!!! I’m going to have to buy one of those deep fryer pots. Too good!!!

[@jg8263]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Been meaning to ask and haven't recently, how goes the mysterious project to put portal axles on the Honda platform?

[@stephenwhelan901]

Great Video Jon! Had a great time and nice meeting some great folks.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Nice to meet you Steve, thanks for coming out.

[@joemzd]

Great video and a great trip, thanks for the memories and adventure!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for coming out Joe Mzd!! That steak was great!!

[@highdesertroos]

Very nice video and amazing trip! Adam will remember his 14th bday, he had a great time! Thank you for everything Jon, it was nice seeing many familiar faces and meeting new ones.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

It was good to see you and your Family again Karla! Fun times, looking forward to more adventures

[@boyfester]

Cool to see! I'm the writer of the official trail report in Trails Offroad that you showed in the beginning of the video. I did that trail a few years with a friend and need to update it. I have the silver 4Runner and he had the other one. I actually did the tough section shown on the video using the Trail Edition's crawl control. That was the first time I tried it going uphill as I always have used for downhills only. It crawled right up without an issue.

[@KTMcaptain]

Thanks Jon, great video and that was a fun trip you setup. Can’t wait for the next one.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks Jordan and Jeanne!!! It was good to see you two again!

[@TheJonjarash]

Thanks for sharing Jon, enjoyed watching it, felt like I was there with you guys.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for following along, i really appreciate it

[@OverlandEasy]

27:25 Great video! Thank you... By the way it's pronounced AM-AR-GOSA, I live one valley over. Great job going up that drop-off, I only ever dare go down it.

[@RandomGuy-qm3mg]

excellent video! were the Jeeps all triple locked? thanks

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Both Jeeps were Rubicons, but not sure what they had engaged. Also, the V8 392 Jeep wrangler Rubicon has a clutched based center differential that I don’t think fully rotationally locks.

[@OverlandOverloaded]

What an Adventure! Looks like a good time!

[@JohnWeik]

Looks like a ton of fun! Good editing in music as well

[@RobbieHerrera]

Nice video as always. What's considered high clearance when you see those signs posted?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks Robbie, sometimes the “high clearance” just means no cars, but when it also says “short wheel base” it probably means something difficult.

[@krashnpa]

Looked like that trip had a little of everything👍

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Yes it dude!! 👍

[@charleyfolkes]

Does the National Park still require a Video Permit for KZbinrs? Thanks for another great video!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

For Mr. beast and Heavy D Sparks with large camera crews? Probably. For a guy like me with an iPhone and a Go Pro, probably not.

[@charleyfolkes]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Mr Beast !!! I get it .. I guess it’s based on impact.. You always do such a great job explaining the trails there and I always wondered about the Amargosa leg of that road, so well covered, my Suby won’t make that part. Do you use a lapel mic? The DJI Mic 2 has virtually no wind noise. One last Q, have they graded the Warm Springs Butte Valley road? I heard they graded it and any old Subaru can make it in there.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I have portable clip on mics, but the quality isn’t so great. I had thought about those DJI mics, but the price tag made me think long and hard about out it. I really should find some kind of solution though 😃. Yes, the warm springs / butte valley road has been graded lately.

[@charleyfolkes]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Sweet, thank you Jon! Great work.

[@davidwelty9763]

Just finished watching the whole video. That was pretty epic.

[@durtyflyadventures]

That looked like an amazing trip!!!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

It’s was a very fun trip Nick!!!

[@Nessal83]

I did that waterfall portion on echo canyon with a stock 1st gen 4x4 tacoma with rear locker. It's much taller in person than in videos and not easy. We had to hug the left wall and then cut right once the front wheels were over the top. DV is still the best NP IMO but it's getting crowded....relatively speaking.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Yeah, the video doesn’t do the obstacle justice. There’s a few videos with this obstacle, and I watched them before time thinking my lifted Honda had a chance 🤣.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

At 37:43 I have an iPhone in Telephoto mode, which gives a more accurate portrayal

[@Nessal83]

​@@JonDZ_AdventuringI also watched a bunch of videos prior and it gave me false confidence. When I got there, I initially wanted to turn around but decided to just send it and amazingly got over without any damage besides some scrapping on the rear diff and front skid plate. Took us a good 30 minute of trying though. Made for some good campfire chat that night. Appreciate your videos because it gives me nostalgic vibes.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@Nessal83 oh wow! Did you see the fluid puddle on the left side? I wonder what happened, hehe. Thanks for the kind words!

[@efromhb]

Neat trail. The 4Runner driver just has to take it easy on the gas and use some of his Toyota bells and whistles to get through those obstacles. Please be mindful of group size and unleashed dogs while in the National Park. We don't want access limited because of violating park regulatins.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

The blue 4Runner driver had everything turned on, but throttle control seemed to be key. As far as group size, I had people comment about it, but I’ve searched everywhere and couldn’t find anything on limit. The Mojave National preserve has it clearly lined out, no more than 7 vehicles in a convoy, but there doesn’t seem to be anything for Death Valley.

[@efromhb]

@JonDZ_Adventuring www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/backcamp.htm It's there. ...Group size is limited to 12 people and no more than 4 vehicles. Larger groups must split up and camp at least 1/2 mile apart.

[@smileyguyz]

Lol your guys' reaction to that dust devil is pretty funny to me. I grew up in Oklahoma, dust devils are fine and pretty much harmless aside from some dust compared to a tornado.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Haha! I did more research on dust devils. We have semi trucks and trailers that will tip over in strong winds, so when I saw this tornado looking thing, I was scared 😱, haha

[@kongyang7316]

What is a triple locked Tacoma? Ive never heard of that before.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

He added a front locker, so now it’s triple locked

[@Nessal83]

Front, rear, and center lockers.

[@kongyang7316]

What is a center locker?

[@Nessal83]

It locks the front and rear through a center diff so the power is split 50/50 front and rear.

[@kongyang7316]

@@Nessal83 4wD doesn’t split it 50/50?

[@adventuretrails1ato]

Wow that first gen Toyota tundra on 35s ❗ Do you know if he has Lockers in it? Still studying suspensions to figure out what to put on my Sequoia 👌❗

[@williamhibbard1535]

It looked like a Dust Devil.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

That means California Tornado 😂

[@4WDisLife]

Look at them TOYOTA go!

[@edgarandreasyan521]

29:00 I don’t think hitting a slider is a bad thing. My truck has pretty low rocker clearance but is more stable. 33:06 idkkkk mann 34:10 how to break a cv 101 😂

[@R32vdubb]

That’s why sliders are made 😂

[@edgarandreasyan521]

@@R32vdubb sliders are for looks if you scratch it you gotta touch it up right away

[@hoch_und_runter]

I am really new to the off-road world and I was wondering "could I drive one of these roads with my new ordered Colorado ZR2?" and then I saw that Mazda CX-30 showing up :D

[@cesarponce6532]

It's all about the drivers experienced.

[@tdatu]

Rubicons are equipped with 4:1 tcase ratio.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

And have front lockers 😃 from the factory. It looks like the Gladiator used his.

[@tdatu]

I’m more pertaining to that amazing slow crawl with light on the throttle

[@kongyang7316]

Who builds a center locker for the Tacoma? This guy said the Tacoma was triple locked.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

What do you think a Transfer case does?

[@rener44]

Yeah !

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Woooo 🙌 😊

[@bajar.m.6953]

I did Echo canyon last year in my stock 1988 Toyota 4Runner first Gen. very easy not a big deal 👍🏽

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

We had a Tesla model Y run through it. It’s very easy.

[@EdY_BlockAA23]

Heh.. the infamous JetBoil makes another appearance...

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Haha! I noticed it was cracked, I JB welded it 😂

[@brohammer]

Kinda shocked they can cram 35s on a Tacoma

[@flight2k5]

Why?

[@brohammer]

@@flight2k5 cuz with 33s you have to do a lot of trimming

[@flight2k5]

@@brohammer so?

[@brohammer]

@@flight2k5 my first comment explains it. I am surprised you can fit 35s on a Tacoma

[@flight2k5]

@@brohammer ok?

[@2theprelude]

Was the blue 4R even 4L? The Tundra and Tacoma definitely did it with less drama, probably because of the longer wheel base.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

As explained in the video, the guy driving the 1st gen Tundra has a lot of off-road experience. Perfect throttle control, good line choice and he didn’t even need a spotter. I also mention that the guy in the blue 4Runner wasn’t use to this difficult 4WD terrain. Take someone inexperienced with an obstacle like this and this was a likely result. To answer your question, yes, he was in 4Lo, you can even hear the spotter ask “is your rear locker on?”. All his goodies were engaged.

[@2theprelude]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring just had to ask. Sometimes they think they're in 4L, but really they weren't. Agree with the off-road experience, but I have seen time and time again that a longer wheel base can be an advantage on certain obstacles even tho break over angle is worse. Keep the videos coming...

[@davidwelty9763]

Jon, I hope you never upgrade to a Jeep or 4Runner. Everything that makes you channel unique and interesting will evaporate. There are tons of KZbin channels with that kind of content. I look forward to every episode of your content.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I owned a Subaru prior to finding out it was not a good fit and purchasing the Honda. I have no reason to switch out my adventure Mobil, but I’ve had it for over 5 years with 145k miles on the odometer (really 155k driven). There will be a time where I’ll have to move onto a different platform, but when that happens, I don’t think much will change, and I don’t agree with the direction new vehicles are heading with turbo charging. It’s a step backwards in my opinion. With that said, I’m in no rush to change platforms.