DEBATE: Hasan Piker vs Charlie Kirk, Politicon 2018

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Two of the best and brightest young minds from opposite sides of the political spectrum have a rematch at Politicon to settle the question of whether young people should be liberal or conservative once and for all.
Moderator: Steven Olikara

[@MrBobkilla]

I think we can all agree that the moderator lost this debate.

[@danielremy7826]

MrBobkilla 😂🤣😂🤣

[@popdop0074]

Too nice to be a moderator...

[@Mark-xw5yt]

I feel bad for him. He’s getting more hate in this comment section (at least at the top) than charlie and hassan are.

[@popdop0074]

@@Mark-xw5yt Yeah, I do agree... Though some of the hate is deserved

[@gusmarin6031]

@@popdop0074 Literally remove the moderator from the debate, and nothing changes

[@albertomoreno-torres7776]

This is just Charlie expecting a Liberal but getting a Leftist

[@Hasteetta]

thats not the same thing?

[@Manic0987654321]

@@Hasteetta They are absolutely not the same thing.

[@beatlesandoasis6631]

@@Hasteetta Educate your damn self.

[@tomorowsnobodys]

@@Hasteetta lmao imagine embarrassing yourself like this

[@tpags7398]

@@beatlesandoasis6631 what’s your favorite song on pinkerton

[@donwan7817]

Hasans idea of debating is to insult and mock your opponent instead of providing sound counter arguments

[@gonky3342]

Charles literally melted down at the end lmao hasan cooked him

[@mrpumperknuckles1631]

@@gonky3342Charlie actually provided a reasonable argument and provide actual talking points. Hasan provided no real information in their argument. Hasan literally had a history of being a pyramid scheming loser even with his own editors can’t even give a real good reason for not paying his editors. Literally this happened with over 4 different editors in 3 years all came out about how shit he paid his workers and even then he will claim those editors aren’t his employees making some stupid claim like “they were contract business agreement as a contractor” which is also not a good excuse because contractors hands out contracts to people labeled under their employment. In any business structure if someone is working to create any form of product or service is considered a form of employment agreement. Under law you have to have them as an employee…

[@donwan7817]

@@mrpumperknuckles1631 Don't forget that the other day Hasan said you should be arguing in bad faith in a debate. Shows what kind of person he is. He doesn't care about the facts, all he cares about is optics and pandering to his audience. He'll know that he's wrong about something but will never concede because he's entirely dishonest.

[@killcount4750]

😂😂😂​@@gonky3342

[@jesseking2960]

@@gonky3342😆 that’s the funniest joke I’ve heard in a while ngl

[@alexanderyang3145]

I’m disappointed in myself to think that Hasan could have had a valid argument that he could support and hold to evidence. Unprofessional, foul language, interrupted the whole debate. Argument full of holes and cried like a victim baby. Goes to Charlie.

[@anishkuvelkar1876]

he owned charlie

[@jacobvest3750]

Yea, everything you said is class Hassan. I don’t have content, I only have “bruh” and interrupting and shifting the conversation away from having to explain a single thing.then you have people like the person commenting above me, that’s so incredibly ignorant they fall for it

[@Gaber8845]

​@@jacobvest3750These debates are pointless. Everyone hears what they want. No one walks a way having their mind changed.

[@cowsbacon5498]

@@anishkuvelkar1876you didn’t watch the video 😹

[@JappyChan]

Bro, did you even watch the first 10 mins? Hassan annihilated Charlie. I mean Charlie couldn't even answer a simple question and even raised his voice FIRST. Charlie got obliterated so hard he had to change the actual subject, hahaha.

[@apriljk6557]

Kirk thinks he's debating a centrist Democrat.

[@jordanbailey9654]

Thats all he knows how to debate

[@peterschancel7223]

Kirk isn't debating he is ranting

[@leovolont]

Hi April, Charlie Kirk is just a mouthpiece for his donors. He is there to make the same Talking Points no matter who he is debating.

[@TheDoctorOfMDMA]

Dying channel, dying political party. You all support the people that believe we deserved 9/11, congrats.

[@bryant7369]

Dr. MDMA M.D. uhm we kinda did. 9/11 doesn’t happen if we don’t involve ourselves in the Middle East

[@enjoiskate13579]

The difference in drip is jarring.

[@jerryryans2235]

@@thisguy9733 what does that have to do with anything,, we’re talking about the drip sir.

[@jerryryans2235]

@@thisguy9733 money doesn’t buy drip you can be rich but not have drip. even if one had money when they were younger,, they both have money now,, so there’s no excuse

[@jerryryans2235]

@@thisguy9733 you deadass just want a moment to shit on hasan for having a job from nepotism,, when it has nothing to do with anything.

[@jorisessen8410]

@@jerryryans2235 dont feed the troll

[@maxholmes4022]

What is drip?

[@jamesbasham1925]

Count the amount of times Charlie was able to talk for more than 30 seconds without Hasan interrupting him. Frustrates me!! Hasan has to interrupt Charlie because he knows Charlie is right

[@ryanburkhart5188]

Just the fact that he's using words like "dog" and "dude" in a professional debate is bad

[@anishkuvelkar1876]

well, u hurt bro. he owned charlie

[@angelkaate]

@@anishkuvelkar1876using the word “owned” to defend his inappropriate vocabulary in a professional debate.. proving the original commenters point.

[@lianjosua5669]

​@@anishkuvelkar1876 which debate did you watch?

[@meanoldfatlady5071]

​@@anishkuvelkar1876 Biased much? 29-28 for charlie

[@JappyChan]

Cool to know. Doesn't change the fact that he was spitting facts. If your problem is what words he's using (espeically if in a non-threatening or insulting way). Why are you so sensitive to the words he's using? Like is this you 🐶 😢

[@stuffedlife7312]

Charlie: “Socialism causes Death!” Hasan: “People die from Capitalism as well...” Charlie: “Death is unforunate” XD

[@stuffedlife7312]

@@glenjoke10 I’m not even a socialist I just find that argument ironic...

[@Jaylio]

@@glenjoke10 “no one has ever killed anyone in the name of capitalism” so you’re gonna ignore literally every war started/funded by the US?

[@vinnylepre98]

@@glenjoke10 you understand that imperialism is part of capitalism right? you understand slavery was part of the capitalist system to generate as much profit as possible while producing the most product right?

[@bimjean1053]

@@vinnylepre98 Imperialism and conquering has always been caused by institutions with great power. Wether it has been capitalistic companies, imperialistic regimes or both of them working together. It‘s not about Capitalism or Socialism. It‘s about a single institution having too much power.

[@n8mo]

@@glenjoke10 Canadian here! Liberal social democracy rocks :) Additionally, Kirk derailed Hasan from the start; Hasan literally said within two minutes of the debate starting that socialism isn’t ideal, and instead that better regulation of markets and subsidies to improve quality of life are a good thing. *All* of Kirk’s talking points were about socialism and how poor Cuba and Venezuela are. Conveniently ignoring successful social democracies like Canada and most of Europe.

[@dominickcrouchelli7464]

Who is letting Charlie Kirk dress himself

[@gabeg1863]

the yeezys + mismatched blazer n denim combo is making me lose my shit

[@talking_tree_0451]

@@gabeg1863 jeans with a suit is a no

[@sophiesong8937]

The narrow shoulders on the blazer, too.

[@claypenner2443]

Those kicks! 🤣

[@CrimeEnjoyer]

It's an old, proud institution of American conservatism to forever look like your mom still dresses you at any age.

[@timothyundie7271]

The moderator absolutely failed.

[@andre3st311]

Has won 40 seconds in when he outdripped charlie

[@nickflynn5152]

Facts

[@noisedoom]

even the moderator outdripped him

[@losvegan6382]

fr, I liked the “I can barely fit in this chair”

[@thelameg6]

the chad leftist vs the virgin small face

[@romeoalpha68]

Capitalism didn't get the Prescription going . All the money for research comes from tax payers . Most medications are like that . Then got some reason our Government be let's Big Pharma rip us off . Prescription cost wouldn't be do high if we used Collective Bargaining. My Cancer Treatment cost me well over 150000 dollars. Even with Insurance , being a Veteran ( had to go outside of the VA ), I still had to take out a loan . That's wrong . Everyone is against Democratic Socialism . Until they get ill or something. COVID brought this country to it's knees . We'll be recovering from this for decades .

[@depthsofminds]

why is there an audience member sitting in middle of Charlie and Hasan?

[@CrimeEnjoyer]

Moderator interference is just regulation in the marketplace of ideas.

[@asteriskthegamingstar1891]

@@CrimeEnjoyer lmao

[@mephistofaustus6631]

🤣🤣 idk it was so weird

[@isaaclendor3616]

This hassan has the maturity of a literal child. No respect.

[@user-yh1nm1vy3i]

How?

[@GAMEOVER-yy6zj]

U must be infant then!

[@Alfaromero-wh8yk]

​@@user-yh1nm1vy3i hahahajahaaj

[@JappyChan]

as Charlie is yelling, making false beliefs, and cutting him off lol

[@chrismagalona9592]

Lol they actually called Hasan a bright youth?

[@TheDavidsancab]

I’ve never seen anybody with as much inability to wear yeezys as much as Charlie Kirk lmaooo

[@vuks-fj7fl]

He literally could've put anything else on and it would've looked better... literally anything.

[@kevinahearn8764]

@Chase Miller let’s not hate on anyone watching political debates on KZbin. There are some really brain dead Channels on this app like 5 minute crafts or fortnite where people just waste their brains away 😆

[@stevebri9161]

@Holy Crusader exactly. We have some intellectuals here😆

[@stevebri9161]

@@vuks-fj7fl you must be very smart🤦‍♂️

[@vuks-fj7fl]

@@stevebri9161 ?

[@snackuilleomeal120]

Hasan: Let's just talk about America. Charlie: Proceeds to name every country he knows.

[@cary1130]

Because other country did practice socialism... and fall big time... Russian and Chinese fleet to American because there is no future for the average citizens . US is the number one choice because they know freedom, good college and usd is strong.

[@snackuilleomeal120]

@@cary1130 ok.. In Denmark we have like the 2nd highest taxcut, college/education is free (we even get paid for going to school) This means that everybody actually have the same opportunities. Don't know about you, but that sound like freedom to me😉

[@cary1130]

@@snackuilleomeal120 sounds pretty awesome with a population only 5.7 million. Just LA along is nearly 3x of Demark population near 14 millions. since everything was distributed by the government from you own money through taxation (maybe you haven't earn a buck yet because you still in school) your choices become limit to government filter it for you. your sales tax is what 25% so if I need to get a milk for $1 I need to pay another 25%. every penny counts. why not keep majority of your own money that you earn (10% taxation) and take your money and your talent and skill study and start something. btw Bernie Sander keep using Denmark is socialist and your president said nope we are not socialist country...btw US been paying billion of dollar to protect you through NATO. that's another expense Denmark need now worry about. because US taxpayer is paying to protect you.

[@snackuilleomeal120]

@@cary1130 lol I go to school and work in my spare time. I make like $900 every month. Nobody is really poor in Denmark because we take care of each other through our taxes, and destribute our resources well. This means that the extra 25% isn't the biggest deal. I pretty sure we are "social democratic" so I'm not sure which danish 'president' said we aren't

[@cary1130]

@@snackuilleomeal120 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qquogX6ofcafl7s

[@ThomAJs13]

Hasan said a whole lot of nothing. He spoke big words that sound good but never provided proof of evidence of what he said working. Any time Charlie would bring up a topic with actual evidence Hasan would focuse on one minute discrepancy, target that, and then change the whole topic of debate. Can see why Charlie got fed up with his delusion

[@sincitytitan7118]

Then threw in a "dog" when he ran out of big words

[@austin3011]

This comment is exactly true

[@Thezedword12]

I can't stand Hasan honestly, he's just such a hipocrite.

[@Thezedword12]

But I think I'm missing some context. It sounds charlie calls the dude in the in the audience chink at the end of the debate, like a racial slur. I take it that it's not that or that's all the comments would be about. Is it the dude's last name or something???

[@BasedYanti]

@@Thezedword12 He was arguing with cenk uygur

[@BBones541]

@@Thezedword12 He was the fat guy from the intro of this video Fun fact about Cenk, the Co-Creator of TYT and Hasan's uncle, he said on his show that if he became president he would legalize bestiality and that there is nothing wrong with having sex with animals lmao

[@mrpumperknuckles1631]

@@BBones541really??

[@BBones541]

@@mrpumperknuckles1631 Yup, you can look it up

[@eliotttttt]

For someone that hates socialism so much, Charlie seems to love being publicly owned.

[@WookieeWarrior3000]

This is really funny

[@soheibgrabsi4166]

good one

[@rogerigez21]

How on earth did Hasan own Charlie? Hahahahaha

[@saongpark2423]

Delusion of liberals has no bounds.

[@duck8280]

Bro did you watch the video? Charlie seeped the floor with this fool

[@danschriver75]

Charlie: HASAN LET ME FINISH Also Charlie: alright hasan imma stop you right there and talk about Venezuela real quick

[@MarcoelOsito]

He let him finish more

[@MarcoelOsito]

He was answering,never mind 😂😂 these are fun honestly

[@snowhateswinter4712]

did anyone count how many times charlie kirk says venezuala? it feels like a million LMAO

[@legoindiecomments1344]

@@snowhateswinter4712 and CuBa

[@Ensitrious1]

Might be the most painful thing I’ve ever witnessed. They both did horrific as far as having the decency to not interrupt their opponent went but Charlie actually did so bad that he got me to side with Hasan on almost everything here.

[@zMrLegacyz]

Hasan’s argument is just getting loud and saying everything is stupid but has no real rebuttal

[@ChifDelta]

Muslims are not good with facts.

[@quickstergamestutorialsgam3899]

Yea I agree with some of Hasan's takes but this debate just sucked I have to agree that Charlie won this one and gave more compelling evidence for his side

[@mikehancho7172]

Hasan cant stop moving the goal posts and when Charlie responds he cant stop yelling over him lmao hes a loser from the start

[@andygarcia1380]

Hasan should not debate anyone. He doesnt know how to do it. Sounds like a whiny little baby and turns to insulting almost immediately

[@user-zk1nl5nk4d]

hasan: *breathes* charlie: soCIALisM Is Bad whY YoU HaTe sMall BUsiNeSSEs

[@playboinxng4602]

??

[@Therightisright]

J Funny you mention that, because besides breathing, all Hassan did was scream “ThAt’s StUpId” over and over. Dude didn’t give a single tangible fact about anything for an entire hour... yet the Young Turk clown posse is out here trying to alter the reality of this absolute slaughter at the hands of Charlie Kirk 🇺🇸

[@anthonynuccio5657]

yimmychonga they both lost, kirk spouting off mostly unrelated data and then had a temper tantrum when asked to answer the same question he asked hasan. his entire argument also ignored basic economics and comparative politics. they both lost

[@Kyle-fq4kq]

@@anthonynuccio5657 so wtf should we do then as a country

[@stevebri9161]

Socialism is good in some aspects, but full socialism is literally stealing

[@GerardoGarcia-py3cl]

When Hasan speaks his argument or asks a question. Charlie: Cuba,North Korea,Zimbabwe, and Sovite Union, Socialism Bad.

[@laurenperry346]

Don’t forget the National Socialist Party and North Korea

[@Roguenight863]

What went wrong at those places then...should we not try to learn from others mistakes?

[@animposter4971]

@@Roguenight863 bruh

[@Roguenight863]

@@animposter4971 well... Hasan has never really rebuted the claims that socialism was the cause of the failure of those places. He only laughs, says the are unconnected and calls Charlie crazy for bringing them up. But I never got clear answer as to why they shouldn't be mentioned.

[@kiwi7872]

@@iTotallyJuust not really , when he mentioned venezuela and national worker socialist party , he had know what idea what he is talking about , because both of these things dont come under the category of socialism , and whenever conservatives talks about socialism or communism , they never mentioned what it actually means , they just keep saying its bad . everytime i have debated a conservative on socialism or communism , they never answer my question what it really means. Just like when charlie blindly said communism killed 100 million people , i have sources and studies to prove that communism never actually killed this many people and how many have died under capitalism, and i have sources also to prove that nazis and countries like cuba, venezuela, USSR, Stalin USSR, Mao's china and north korea ... they are neither socialist nor communists

[@nick.9894]

Hasan acts like a child. I can tell Charlie got sick of him bc he never loses his shit

[@pnduarte4696]

Sure cope harder boy charlie is a tool.

[@danielaromangago7359]

He is an emotional little girl 😂

[@snackdawg8417]

Guess you didn’t watch the full thing through lmao

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@@danielaromangago7359 Ironic how the people who constantly call conservatives racists and sexists are the first to devolve to racist and sexist remarks lmao 😂😂

[@2SloppyJoe]

Ah, the debate where Hasan looked like he was about to have a nervous breakdown

[@roachdoggjr6624]

We should come up for a term for like this Schrödinger’s communist bs. They joke about the USSR being justified in killing the kulaks yet defend it. They claim to be socialists yet use decentralized (Switzerland) and centralized (China) market economies to somehow push socialism? Are you a liberal or a communist. Do you want to collectivize capital or not?

[@danielholdridge5581]

how did they let charlie walk on the stage with that fit

[@Xpzilla]

Politics aside...damn Hassan lookin fresh as HELL and Charlie's wearing clothes I guess

[@amandaellenburg4674]

HAHAH Charlie really said shoe carnival chic🥶🥴

[@bendover8477]

Hassan always looks good, and Charlie always looks like a middle aged dad (coming from a conservative btw)

[@bye92]

Hasan looking like a gay boy who wished he was in the army with this boots. Lookin gay af

[@syrgreen6828]

@@bye92 what’s wrong with being gay? And Hasan’s style is infinitely better than Charlie’s.

[@MyName-cw4yr]

Hasan wearing clothes his uncle bought him....

[@zachmoney716]

This moderator didn’t moderate shit this was annoying af

[@JustAnotherCover]

Nah, when Hasan started talking about Cuba, he lost me. What a bunch of nonsense... The man doesn't know what he's talking about

[@samsung32901]

Gotta love how Charlie constantly tries to shit on Hasan for connecting empathy/morality to his political position, but then Charlie goes and says "socialism is evil". Like cmon dude, at least TRY to be self-consistent within even like 10 minute time frames

[@panrady]

@Joshua Tamang what about most of Europe

[@effinsheet]

Hasan: **breathes** Charlie: Venezuela, Vietnam, Cuba, Mao's China

[@whimpy_ghost]

ZIMBABWE, USSR, GUATEMALA

[@oliverbrown9627]

Yeah bro this argument is raising my fkn blood pressure idk how hassan keeps his cool

[@lambeezy5014]

@@oliverbrown9627 Alright, what's your counter-point? Were any of these states successful?

[@oliverbrown9627]

​@@lambeezy5014 there are many countries where it has worked and hes just distracting from the argument by repeatedly listing these countries or cringely implying Hasan doesn't care about death. 10:38 Rather than listing or making tactless implications he should actually argue against the benefits of socialism that Hasan is supporting his argument with

[@alpha98516]

10000 billion dead, vuvuzela, iPhone

[@tmkim5129]

Hasan is not qualified for any debate at all, and the guy in the middle is not doing sxxt.

[@Robert-vj9gx]

Hassan didn't come ready 😂

[@jasonmeng8674]

4 comments 😭😭😭 charlie doesnt know you bro 😭 zip it up when ur done

[@thegawkgame2000]

@@jasonmeng8674u mad?

[@jasonmeng8674]

@@thegawkgame2000 sadly not

[@KyRogers]

​@@thegawkgame2000cope

[@meisme20]

@@jasonmeng8674maulding

[@laupheimer2728]

Still crazy to me how Kirk says that Socialisms responsible for 100 million deaths but every issue with Capitalism is "Corporatism" or some pseudo capitalism

[@ohdontmindme4241]

Mike Laup yeah kind of odd. Both sides can’t admit the flaws their own side has. Like most things a middle ground is most likely best

[@christianobregon5215]

You can see the result of our poor education system when people think Charlie Kirk won this "debate". Charlie excels at appealing to poorly educated neo conservatives by using " gotcha moments", logical fallacies, and patriotism.

[@jmulaaclips6859]

You’re right but hasan could have done much better in my opinion

[@fridgeninjas]

This debate would have been mad lit if Hasan got to finish more of his thoughts. Charlie won, but not with substance, just sheer force lol

[@antennaboy3383]

@@fridgeninjas How is "countries only failed cause of socialism" Charlie winning? Especially when America is proud to intervene in other countries buisness, systems, and governments?

[@fridgeninjas]

@@antennaboy3383 I agree with you, I thought most of what Charlie said was absolute garbage. I think he "won" in the sense that he was able to control the narrative for a longer period of time. He straight up just talked over Hasan for most of this, and many times steered the discussion away from certain topics when he knew Hasan was setting up to obliterate him. Charlie's points sucked, but he was the more skilled debater.

[@antennaboy3383]

@@fridgeninjas I just notice how Charlie listed facts on completely unrelated topics at times, and when Hasan demonstrated knowledge on a certain subject, Charlie wanted to move away from that talking point, like the Lasic Eye Surgery thing, the Socialism being evil and contries failing "OnLy DuE tO sOcAliSm" and etc. Why doesn't Hasan practice what he preeches? Cause it doesn't work if ONLY HASAN gives away whatever % of his money. When he said "do you think that's how it works?", it is actually a genuine question. It's much easier to practice capitalism and free market ideas...When you have WAY more money and live in a country that enables you to do so.

[@FuzzyBunnyEars]

Okay but why isn’t the moderator stepping in? Can’t believe how many times Hassan interrupted Charlie.

[@Mikerivers12345]

Hasan is about to cry😂😂😂

[@JappyChan]

You mean Charlie? Re watch the first 10 mins 😂

[@fortnitedialectics2050]

When he started Venezuela-ing he should've brought up the fact that Venezuela literally got stripped of their oil industry (their main source of economy) by ultra-capitalist countries

[@ravanadevadas3770]

what they no, they grew their public sector so big the oil sector could not cop the cost and hence they started printing money.

[@fortnitedialectics2050]

​@@ravanadevadas3770 what you have just said is nothing, there were nations taking their oil, that's simply a fact, I mean send me a link that disproves that and i'll check it out

[@chriswebb76]

@@fortnitedialectics2050 um what r u on about Venezuela currently has the largest oil reserves in the world they haven't been taken. Their issue is poor management of their resources

[@fortnitedialectics2050]

@@chriswebb76 source?

[@chriswebb76]

@@fortnitedialectics2050 legit go search it on google its widely known they have bigger reserves than Saudi Arabia

[@genevaict21]

They honestly needed to cut charlie's mic. He tries to make 8 different points and as soon as hasan refutes one he goes on a tangent.

[@AT-vp8qw]

Right. Honestly, what's the point of debates like this if they don't go through each point one by one. They always end up skipping over important points that I wish could be dwelled on a little more because one person wants to list 20 different points at once

[@genevaict21]

@@AT-vp8qw facts dude

[@Schnokers]

@@L4ck0Ski11 This is a debate that makes Charlie Kirk money, of course he's gonna grandstand and not actually engage in debate. Thats the point of these "debates" is to make sure he gets paid to "live like a capitalist" and be an enforcer of a capitalist system. Losing in capitalism means losing in survival.

[@gubernational57]

Wait what!? Charlie could barley get a word in. Hassan kept interrupting Charlie every other word and went on some communist diatribe. The reason Charlie had to rattle off his facts is because Hassan wouldn’t shut the hell up. Btw Hassan gave 0 facts and 0 sources for his arguments which Charlie did but people like Hassan don’t care about facts. Watch the debate again and you’ll see Hassan just whines about the country he lives in that allowed him to make the money he makes. He complains about how corrupt the government is yet wants to expand its power over us lol.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

"We need to silence those I disagree with!"

[@StarshipTrooper4231]

I feel dirty watching this on the turk channel.

[@jesseking2960]

😂😂

[@ELB.ONLINE]

I do too 😂

[@uncleaa8955]

How annoying Hassan is. He never shuts up. I think he loves to hear himself talk. Charlie was much more poised. Hassan was flustered and flat out rude and obnoxious.

[@MrG22333]

I really don’t think charlie has his own thoughts. It’s just a bunch of popular conservative taking points with no context.

[@dziugas6795]

he was declaring simple facts. I really dont know why are you so mad about facts, must be a snowflake:)

[@4G3NTOR4NG3]

@@dziugas6795 Lmfao yea and I bet you don't get triggered by anything right? Get outta here you hypocritical snowflake.

[@gory2905]

@@4G3NTOR4NG3 he didn’t say anything about he triggered, he was talking about factual info that Charlie gave to the conversation and Hasan didn’t.

[@supri5e703]

@@gory2905 Oh please. All Charlie said was basically socialism bad. He didn't bring any new facts or reasons why socialism would be bad to the table. Hasan did a decent job at trying to debate someone who is unwilling to look at any facts presented.

[@gory2905]

@@supri5e703 All Charlie said was Socialism bad, yes, with proven facts such as: 100 million people dead under socialism in last 100 years; Socialized medicine ruining the veteran’s system; Cuba life expectancy is 50 years; FDA disallowing entrepreneurs to compete against big Pharma; Regulations pricing out middle class consumers as corporations use it as a tool to go after small business owners. Oooo, and if that isn’t enough, here’s some specifics: Dodd-frank disallows community banks from competing against high level, national and or international ones, giving an 80% decrease in community banks; The Venezuelan government made the average Venezuelan lose 17 pounds, put it on the brink of civil war, gave a 40,000% inflation, took away any functioning economy and set a 42% unemployment in all of its exploitation from the lies of Karl Marx; most murderous, hopeless, and poor cities are run by democrats such as Philadelphia, Chicago, Oakland, Portland, Seattle and Milwaukee; Chicago has has the highest property taxes, institutional income tax, and debt. Also, if that wasn’t enough, here’s some stuff stated about how free market Capitalism is far better: $20,000 to $500 cost of LASIK eye surgery; Since it’s not covered by insurance, consumer can go straight to doctor so they know how much it costs, so prices went down, quality went up, and accessibility goes outward, that’s what happens with a market; anything costs less with competition; Free market capitalism is most successful ever, and the western civilization has been one of the greatest experiments ever; Life expectancy has doubled in the last 100 years in America. Plus, something no democrat wants to hear, COUNTRIES!!! Nothing like some proof, real, easy to find evidence starting with our beloved Venezuela, then to Zimbabwe, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, former Algeria, former Belarus, East Germany, Soviet Union, and Mao’s China. So, about Socialism is bad... your right!

[@cspd1151]

He lost me at the “America is the greatest country”. That is not a fact, it is an opinion. There are a lot of metrics one can use to evaluate what makes a country great, and the US is struggling in a variety of them.

[@VitalArms]

Cenk’s boy Hassan got absolutely wrecked by Charlie

[@xJayhawkFANx]

Wasn't even close

[@Rileybenitezz]

this aged so well….. hassan lookin like a clown rn in 2024

[@vro1313]

did something specific happen?

[@minifolko]

@@vro1313 mabye joe biden?

[@ChifDelta]

He was always a clown

[@iby914]

Kirk's arguments were all over the place. He was incoherent and rambled on. He came across as an even bigger dimwit than usual.

[@iby914]

@@yobased2872 - Oh look. Another tosser who uses the term "NPC". You unoriginal, generic, run of the mill loser.

[@EenMagnetron]

@@yobased2872 Let me guess: you never heard of corporatism? Y'know, that thing you conservative dumbdumbs constantly confuse with capitalism?

[@finnmagnus]

charlies got the weirdest fit I've ever seen

[@madisonfine4833]

really said his 7th grade dance

[@Aris-tc9qy]

thats the conservative fit bro, no matter whats above the feet, you gotta have those ugly ass skechers

[@lil_alex9130]

@@Aris-tc9qy 😂😂😂😂

[@dhard]

@@Aris-tc9qy those are yeezys bro

[@mango8999]

@@dhard yeah but he wears them horribly lmao

[@MonkeNeuronActivated]

Hasan's only debate tactic is talking over people Also the moderator not moderating really made this horrible to listen to 💀

[@p_d_r_sb]

these two obviously are not on the same level. Hasan obviously lacks the intellectual ability to reason with Charlie and constantly throws fallacies into this debate in order to change the it's direction

[@aberfork6031]

Charlie proves that throwing out random numbers without context doesn't actually prove anything, also literally lying through his teeth, he said Cuba had a lower life expectancy then the US by 15 years when it's the same.

[@frostymarbles2655]

and the lowest aids rate in the world lmao too bad the country is so broken form sanctions by the US

[@bigg2168]

Omg this comment made me look it up, jesus christ, he's a liar, Cuba's life expectancy is HIGHER than the US's

[@Grande79]

Wait, you actually believe statistics coming out of Cuba? Do you also believe The Covid #’ a pit of China?

[@ttam2476]

@@bigg2168 of course he did start fact checking these idiots and read the studies they mention and you’ll realize they lie a lot more then you think

[@michealscarn1324]

@@Grande79 Trusting only your own country’s media is an easy way to be brainwashed by propaganda.

[@Ffejro12256]

That moderater did a fantastic job of stopping these two from talking over each other.

[@Kyoudontknowme]

😂😂😂

[@zafarb4219]

kappa

[@ianmcgregor349]

The moderator made is so entertaining tho!

[@agolg622]

That's not true I see hassan is interrupting a whole time and the moderate just laughs

[@collinkane8673]

@@agolg622 clearly it was sarcastic

[@SphynkTorr]

Total waste of time. This is not a debate. It's not even a conversation. It's a shouting match. The Young Turkey is from the school of whoever talks the most wins. Why is Charlie wasting his, our time in this venue?!?

[@mariahomfg]

"Sit down you psycho" is the best part of this whole debate

[@MrTeslaX]

Yeah Cenk really went psycho!!

[@blotterdowney8075]

kirk dude just spits out numbers with no context and smugly thinks he wins every argument lmao

[@Zero_cool79]

Damn him for knowing statistics🤣

[@MrTeslaX]

I agree it nauseating but he presents the facts

[@rickeygregory9089]

@@Zero_cool79 statistics without context is not the knowledge of statistics. That's why actual studies factor in related numbers. If you read a study on education it factors in families, schools, and students. Statistics are multifaceted and Kirk's fans don't understand that. That's why his main strategy is deflection and trying to reach another talking point ASAP.

[@Zero_cool79]

@@rickeygregory9089 ok so a few things. 1. You can look up everything he says. Its rather easy to do since we all have computers in the palm of our hands and the fact that he is well versed in the statistics he is using means he studied both sides of thw issue ti actually make an argument. 2. Democrats love usingf the phrase "talking points." I remember whne the truth was simply called truth. 3. Only some statistcs are multifacited, such as the wage gap myth. Some statistics are just bare bomes and black and white. 4. I watched this entire debate. I didnt here much "deflection" from kirk. However, i did here Hassan use transition phrases such as "what about," and "how come," which usually signals a new line of thought. With Hassan its fine but if Kirk does it its deflection? This is what makes democrats so easy to debate and this is why they are so often defeted if they dont apeal to the emotions of the masses. They seem to want to have different rules for themselves and when they cannot have those rules applied they scream foul (or in other words; deflection).

[@anthonytrapanese8696]

Who needs facts puhhhh

[@jeniko2841]

Shocked that you haven't disabled comments. Now that would be true socialism.

[@izizxoxo]

The moderator being non existent 🫥😭

[@localistmagic641]

For those of you wondering why so many are watching these debates now, it is because millions of people are taking an interest in politics for the first time. A silver lining of the Trump administration.

[@OGnice1878]

yeah record number of early ballots submitted and votes casted! hopefully we see this as the new normal. TBH i could careless about the main election, its like 2016 all over again the choice of the lesser of two evils. Local elections can make an impact and that what i tend to focus more on

[@unluckyattacks6371]

I love how conservatives constantly say let me finish. While repeatedly interrupting the person they are talking to and never let them talk long enough to explain their points

[@moefriends1093]

like joe biden?

[@unluckyattacks6371]

@Aj Shields maybe if you did some research you wouldn't have said some dumb shit like that. "Last year Cuba became the first country in the world to eliminate mother to child transmission of HIV and syphilis as a public health problem. According to the World Health Organization

[@gory2905]

@@unluckyattacks6371 by having a Caesarean section? Is that what you mean?

[@unluckyattacks6371]

@@gory2905 antiretroviral therapy. Dude you have the internet with pretty much all of human knowledge in your pocket USE IT. Stop being dumb go look it up for yourself. Do you not know how to do research?

[@liammcqueeney8768]

they were both doing it lmao shut up

[@CodyMercer44]

Good for Charlie kirk. The moderator is such garbage.

[@namnug69]

Hassan and Cenk aren't intelligent enough to debate Charlie Kirk.

[@carywooster2538]

😂😂😂😂

[@SmoothMcGlue]

Huh?

[@owenschauss7000]

Charlie's arguments were as weak as his drip

[@UgherzCookies]

Yeah I don't know what he was doin with his yeezys....at least I think those are yeezys

[@kenny9023]

@@UgherzCookies those a yeezys????? they look like sketchers

[@lartisteautravail]

Is there a reason why every other comment is a reference to "drip"

[@cellamarino]

@@lartisteautravail because charlie's drip is as debilitating as his arguments

[@lartisteautravail]

@@cellamarino I have no idea what that means though

[@astralflick]

The dude on the left is conservative, and they call liberals triggered and snowflakes, but he seems to be the one with a red face, screaming into his mic, and his posture is uptight and uncomfortable. 😂😂 👌

[@gory2905]

No matter his posture, he still put more facts and relevance to the conversation than Hasan.

[@David-gr1do]

@@gory2905 If your idea of “relevance” is discussing the USSR and democrats, then sure.

[@gory2905]

@@David-gr1do what about him using other proven facts such as: 100 million people dead under socialism in last 100 years; Socialized medicine ruining the veteran’s system; Cuba life expectancy is 50 years; FDA disallowing entrepreneurs to compete against big Pharma; Regulations pricing out middle class consumers as corporations use it as a tool to go after small business owners. Oooo, and if that isn’t enough, here’s some specifics: Dodd-frank disallows community banks from competing against high level, national and or international ones, giving an 80% decrease in community banks; The Venezuelan government made the average Venezuelan lose 17 pounds, put it on the brink of civil war, gave a 40,000% inflation, took away any functioning economy and set a 42% unemployment in all of its exploitation from the lies of Karl Marx; most murderous, hopeless, and poor cities are run by democrats such as Philadelphia, Chicago, Oakland, Portland, Seattle and Milwaukee; Chicago has has the highest property taxes, institutional income tax, and debt. Also, if that wasn’t enough, here’s some stuff stated about how free market Capitalism is far better: $20,000 to $500 cost of LASIK eye surgery; Since it’s not covered by insurance, consumer can go straight to doctor so they know how much it costs, so prices went down, quality went up, and accessibility goes outward, that’s what happens with a market; anything costs less with competition; Free market capitalism is most successful ever, and the western civilization has been one of the greatest experiments ever; Life expectancy has doubled in the last 100 years in America. Plus, something no democrat wants to hear, COUNTRIES!!! Nothing like some proof, real, easy to find evidence starting with our beloved Venezuela, then to Zimbabwe, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, former Algeria, former Belarus, East Germany, Soviet Union, and Mao’s China.

[@comet7609]

@@David-gr1do lol u didnt respond,exposed

[@stevebri9161]

Liberals for the most part are referred to as snowflakes because they use emotions over logic... Meaning they let their feelings get the best of them instead of what's actually going on

[@StormRoxas]

Hasan needs debate practice. Please, shut up and wait your turn. Horrible moderator.

[@chrisburkes2567]

It really doesn’t even matter who “won” or “lost” the debate once Charlie started freaking out he forfeited the entire debate

[@wrsantos]

Chris B. Hasan freaked out a lot more.

[@chrisburkes2567]

wrsantos did Hassan start yelling at people in the audience?

[@wrsantos]

Chris B. Doesn’t prove anything. Hasan was more disrespectful during the debate that Charlie was. Hasan was the first to act “freaked out”.

[@shadowkille8r99]

Chris B. WHY do you think Charlie started doing that? Who was in the audience that started saying stuff prior to Charlie shouting?

[@justinrosenberg5819]

@@wrsantos when did Hasan try to fight an audience member lmao

[@BrandonCorby-wr5nd]

Kirk never answered 1 question.

[@packetmuncher2404]

King of deflection

[@anthonytrapanese8696]

All the questions *

[@letogeemuabdib5262]

Lmfao goodness you POS Nazis/commie donkey democRat pigs are obviously retarded!

[@floccinaucinihilipilificat6749]

@@letogeemuabdib5262 stay mad

[@stevebri9161]

I didn't get any real questions from hassan.... just emotional outburst

[@robertswofford1161]

Hasan the one who said "babies are colonizers" is supposed to be the Young Turks shining example to debate Charlie Kirk? Yea ok.

[@luftim]

He is the dumbest person I have ever seen on KZbin.

[@parsaa.z7985]

Hassan pisses me off

[@asabry4126]

"Western civilization was created by free market capitalism" Charlie is brain dead. Western civilization existed long before the concept of capitalism and guys like Adam Smith

[@carlosjaramillo9702]

A Sabry It was a retarded statement. Something along the lines of it helping advance western civilization would be more accurate and even then it has been a failure to western civilization in some aspects such as healthcare and warfare.

[@mtimothy86]

RIght? Western Civilization dominated because of the industrial revolution but almost collapsed because of unregulated capitalism. Without socialism / regulations, America would have never left the great depression.

[@Sheiiko]

The consept of free markets is the inherit nature of humans. When tribes traded with eachother many thousands of years ago there was no government deciding the price and taking a cut

[@CrimeEnjoyer]

@@Sheiiko Correct that free markets are old - capitalism is not. Western civilization existed for millennia before capitalism which isn't interchangeable with free markets - guess what, socialist markets also exist.

[@kevinflores9517]

Everything hasan was cautioning and trying to prevent has all culminated and come true at once during this pandemic.

[@lotofdamage774]

too real man he’s always right dude

[@Swisscheese5772]

Hasan got OWNED

[@anishkuvelkar1876]

stfu loser or ill own u

[@LimpWrizkit]

damn 6 years later and Hassan's bodybag is still getting dragged by the comments

[@vacantandstainedd]

Talk loud + speak fast + whataboutisms + don't stutter + speak in absolutes = must have owned Hasan 🇺🇸

[@Erihk_]

Ikr what a joke

[@gwithheadphones]

why is Charlie dressed like a 15-year-old in debate club

[@user-pampam70634]

@@seanie002 Hahaha, love it!

[@vipergameplay7613]

Hasan literally only can argue by interrupting people lmao

[@jace2643]

they both interrupted each other LMFAOO

[@vipergameplay7613]

@@jace2643 hasan does this in EVERY debate though

[@CakeProDuckShins]

This debate moderator is useless.

[@ryanmelontube]

Charlie saying competition makes healthcare cheaper💀💀

[@Shinobi542]

bIGGEST cap I've heard even on the logical spectrum

[@moefriends1093]

it does want me to explain?

[@YourBudEgg]

@@moefriends1093 go for it, I'd love to hear this take.

[@patrickbarrio101]

@@YourBudEgg where's the take?

[@moefriends1093]

@@YourBudEgg even Joe Biden somewhat knows this when there are multiple companys they want to sell there stuff but if they have a companie that has it cheaper than they have to make it cheaper ap if they made it cheaper then the next company wants to sell but the cheap one is taking there customers so they create a new item (medicine) that's better but at same price this lifted 86% of people out of poverty in the last 300 years and since the industrial revolution it has been going faster this is called $Capitalism$

[@blndrhed]

Cuba's life expectancy is 79.2 years---USA 78.7 years. Cuba's infant mortality 4.1 out of 1,000---USA 5.6 out of 1,000. Cuba is known for having one of the best healthcare systems in the world.

[@rinzler1801]

all while the USA imposes strict embargoes on them

[@omarthescriblomale8279]

Wow a one year difference my god. Meanwhile most of their citizens live can barely affor toilet paper

[@blndrhed]

@@omarthescriblomale8279 I think you have an inaccurate impression of Cuba. They don't have a lot of luxury items because of the embargo, but the country is thriving with a booming tourist industry. Where the hell do you get your information about Cuba? Tony Montana?

[@omarthescriblomale8279]

@@blndrhed um cuba is not a tourist thrill. Cuba is a place where CELEBRITIES mostly visit. Cuba also has nice beaches, but what does that have to do with the fact that they are a socialist hellhole to live in?

[@cherylno583]

@@omarthescriblomale8279 if you'd watched the video you would understand that the OP is disproving Charlie's anti-socialist characterization of Cuba. considering yes, Cuba before socialism was, and still is, poorer than the US. but currently, compare it to the rest of Latin America and its the only country without widespread malnutrition. so yes, socialism in cuba has thrived.

[@ZacharyCall]

That Hasan guy needs to shut his mouth and let his opponent talk. What a dork

[@bleachfanatic195]

man you should he takes on social media dude is unhinged

[@PopBeerCan-rm6go]

Your mother is unhinged

[@RameoMTL]

Gotta be the worst moderator ever

[@user-dn5iz3qp3z]

They had a 'moderator'???????

[@Librahn]

That's an audience 😂😂

[@Nicole-gt7nv]

The way charlie kirk wears yeezy's makes them look like grandpa shoes

[@amandaellenburg4674]

The chunky dad sneakers, the disconnect from reality, AND with a side of anger issues...the true physical embodiment of conservative men in America ✨

[@jerryryans2235]

the AUDACITY charlie has pulling up in a middle school dance outfit😔

[@austin5944]

He's wearing yeezys dear god

[@amandaellenburg4674]

@@austin5944 that’s even worse, you’re telling me he paid more than 20 bucks for those ugly things🥴

[@austin5944]

@@amandaellenburg4674 I think they look cool with the right fit, not a suit though

[@mattexplicit]

Almost like saying dawg every 2 minutes in a debate lol

[@theproject.7713]

This Hassan guy only makes a point by squawking at everything Charlie says. This is exactly what turned me into a conservative and I’ve never been more proud to be one - because of people like this guy.

[@juliettest.laclaire8931]

Yo is it just me or does Charlie’s face keep getting tinnier over the debate

[@yolo-vl4wz]

just like his brain ☺

[@littlebosaMusic]

The angrier he gets the smaller his face gets

[@yobozo720]

Hasan was basically like: "Let me get this dub real quick"

[@rager4able]

I'm just over here like: "Sure thing dog"

[@Andrew-pf5fj]

Hassan is wildly unprepared. He wants to discuss ideology but has zero evidence or data to back it. Completely emotional (not to mention whiny) arguments with no meat to them.

[@jamesbirmingham2957]

It's a debate on politics, it lack evidences thats valid, and did Charlie actually give proof his numbers are right or did he just shout them like an asshole?

[@ady007pl]

looks like hes ego got hurt when kirk got some good arguments

[@TomJones-op9nj]

Hasan’s entire approach is flawed ….also he is smug and condescending

[@butchdeloria2995]

Kirk was constantly smug and being condescending, they literally both were. if you cant see that you literally are up your own ass

[@bort_1265]

Both did a great job promoting socialist ideas

[@stevebri9161]

Can you elaborate on that

[@BushidoBoyd]

@@stevebri9161 Charlie’s arguments were so terrible that he ended up proving Hasan’s points about socialism being potentially good and us already benefiting from a mixed economy

[@stevebri9161]

@@BushidoBoyd Do you honestly believe that having more government ran/controlled programs is going to make us better off? This completely defeats the point of a thriving country

[@stevebri9161]

@@BushidoBoyd Charlie's arguments were not terrible because Hassan is basing everything off of emotion.... I'm not saying he doesn't have the right intentions

[@BushidoBoyd]

@@stevebri9161 Do you honestly believe it’s as simple as no regulation = good and any regulation = bad? And if you think Hassan was the emotional one and Charlie wasn’t, then we both watched different videos

[@SD-ze2iu]

Bro Kirk lost so bad he started arguing with Cenk in the audience, wtf

[@kangurumann4063]

what did that guy said? Icouldn't heard over crowd.

[@HoneyTwee]

Yeah what the hell happened there.

[@spookysauro]

@@kangurumann4063 He asked Charlie what his salary is

[@brokkoliomg6103]

who is this Cenk

[@ulisesmora1282]

@@brokkoliomg6103 Cenk from The Young Turks

[@travisleonard513]

I've always found the smartest person is one giving all the facts and the dumbest insecure person is always going "Are we really gonna talk about this?" "C'mon really this?" "This is ridiculous". People who know they are losing always get emotionally disraught.

[@user-yh1nm1vy3i]

The “smartest” one in this situation is in the wrong tho

[@Alfaromero-wh8yk]

​@@user-yh1nm1vy3i How and why? Are the facts he's numbering false?

[@user-yh1nm1vy3i]

@@Alfaromero-wh8yk He’s missing the point and his argument doesn’t really make sense. The problem isn’t that the facts are wrong but that he is twisting them to make everything else seem wrong.

[@IDJOT]

hasan got cooked by Charlie

[@frederikwilliamjakobsen7298]

You didn’t watch the debate i see

[@kayleeok]

In what world😂 Charlie is an idiot

[@jdubo1998]

​@@kayleeokAnd Hasan has shoe size IQ. So what's your point? Charlie still cooked hias ass. 😂

[@mastermeow1582]

Charlie did crush him.

[@xJayhawkFANx]

​@@frederikwilliamjakobsen7298 Bro Charlie won pretty easily

[@SCVM45]

Charlies mad because he's a Bluetooth speaker for every generic republican view physically possible and Hasan is just a human who cares about humans.

[@mjc8556]

Uh huh. He cares about people so much that he thinks that America deserved 9/11

[@SCVM45]

@@mjc8556 cherry picking a quote without context is how the dumb people stay dumber. As a nation, us oppressing an entire region helped radicalize the middle east, and we literally created ISIS. Cry more bootlicker.

[@mango8999]

@@mjc8556 out of context

[@mjc8556]

@@SCVM45 whatever you say Jihad Jerry

[@SCVM45]

@@mjc8556 lmfao cringe dude, I dont like terrorists, but to deny we gave them what they needed to terrorize just tells me you're a bigot.

[@DUEL.FATALIS]

Hasan did pretty well but I can see why Kirk backed out of debating Kyle Kulinski. Kirk would’ve gotten obliterated. I think whoever is paying Kirk looked at Kyle’s content and forced him to back out.

[@zero4337]

Well, Charlie is gonna get Destroyed by Sam.

[@jordanbailey9654]

@@yobased2872 funny troll You're a demongraphic.

[@DUEL.FATALIS]

STOP ABORTING BABIES, START ABORTING LIBERALS so you’re saying social safety and well being programs can’t work because there’s to many people of color?

[@MrBlackatheist]

@@yobased2872 and there is Canada who is more diverse than the U.S.

[@jordanbailey9654]

@@yobased2872 if we utilize their techniques maybe our society can thrive, until then the capitalism you seem to love is creating the wealth and education gaps in our society. Sad you are part of our problem.

[@mrpumperknuckles1631]

He interrupts Charlie so much yet he acts like he doesn’t 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ninaplaystime]

Respect both but Hasan interrupting nonstop was so insufferable zz

[@marcin8865]

how can anyone respect Hasan honestly?

[@wilburmoleyt2139]

@@marcin8865what’s wrong with respecting both, they both make good and bad points

[@vacantandstainedd]

"Let's get this right first, Finland isn't socialist" "CUBA. VETERANS. I'M AGAINST WAR, HASAAAAN." Brooo the whataboutisms and strawman goes hard with Charlie

[@attorneyinbirdlaw9537]

Charlie instantly lost due to his lack of drip.

[@crabsedu1306]

Charlie looks like a soccer dad lol. It may have also been because of the falsehoods he said but likeeeeeeee it’s probably the first one.

[@Robert-vj9gx]

Charlie owned his ass 😂😂