DEBATE: Is Christianity True? | Evidence of God Vs Ozien (

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[@Ape-shapedCarbon]

I've never heard anyone get transitional species as spectacularly wrong as this guy. And I've watched Kent Hovind, Nephy, GMan, Mr. Batman and many others. This guy is in a class of his own.

[@Person-ip7iy]

The ability to get evolution wrong worse than Kent hovid is a feat so incredible that it might prove god.

[@dwijon]

EvidenceofGod fails spectacularly yet again.

[@Ape-shapedCarbon]

You have to give him credit - it must take a lot of work to be that wrong.

[@dwijon]

​@Ape-shapedCarbon he kinda reminds me of a less fun kind of ignorant Kyle Adams. He's missing the dopey grins and dull chuckles. Come back to Mmd Kyle.

[@SamualRobotham-IWasOnlyKidding]

An “ignorant Kyle Adam’s”! You really know how to insult people! That’s just nasty.

[@jimjohnson9622]

No he didn't and I bet you assumed he didn't before the debate even began.

[@dwijon]

@@jimjohnson9622 honestly it was a constant feeling throughout the "debate". Bad arguments abounding.

[@Chemasaurus]

Vehemently opposes evolution while also saying evolution would prove the bible right. Mental gymnastics off the charts

[@jimjohnson9622]

Not at all because the difference is between evolution with an intelligent mind behind it vs evolution without it. Which is a bit like defending the evolution of cars, airplanes, cameras or phones while ignoring the intelligence behind the first cause of it. So you aren't parsing the issue and understanding it and that's why you see a problem in a false equivocation rather than grasping the issue.

[@mattersnow]

@@jimjohnson9622 the problem was that he couldn't admit that the Theory of Evolution was a falsification method for his version of Christianity when most Christians actually accept evolution and know it doesn't falsify Christianity. He was equivocating between his personal definition and the scientific definition, when I cornered him on the literal contradiction he still refused to admit it. He kept arguing because he knew that it falsified his belief, which is sad. - Ozien

[@evenlord7825]

I believe it was an attempted internal critique

[@dross4207]

@@jimjohnson9622Cars are manmade objects that don’t biologically reproduce, and they are not made by gods or magic. Tell me the logical step that gets from “cars are designed by humans using no magic” to “therefore, life must be created via magician”. Tell me how those two are analogous.

[@dross4207]

@@mattersnowIt’s an obvious trick that religion and theists have always used. Once something is falsified in the Bible, you just reinterpret what the Bible says or claim that it was intended to be a metaphor. It’s just a game to keep the Bible unfalsifiable, and as long as one gap(God domicile) remains, they can play the game in perpetuity.

[@onichan924]

“Electricity isn’t energy” “it can do work” Lmaoooo what that’s the definition of energy.

[@mattersnow]

Yes, electricity isn't energy, it is the flow of electrons.

[@onichan924]

@@mattersnow Does the flow of electrons have the ability to do work?

[@mattersnow]

@@onichan924 you have the ability to do work.

[@onichan924]

@@mattersnow can’t answer a direct question huh?

[@dross4207]

@@mattersnow You are definitely wrong on that specific claim. Electricity IS one of the forms of energy, and a few others are thermal energy, sound/audio energy, chemical energy, and nuclear energy. Please don’t double down on wrongness, lest you become a theist.

[@JC89Youtube]

This guy arguing for god will see how his arguments are weak and become a presupper in 2 months watch

[@calvinwithun6512]

The more I listen, the more I'm just hearing Gish Gallopping and Word Salads. Lots of hot-button words are getting thrown around without much depth or understanding.

[@bosco008]

I see James still hasn’t mastered the mute button on himself

[@beingpath]

I no longer believe the Bible to be true or moral. I made a playlist of some of the more compelling arguments.

[@Dr.silly-tickles]

What's moral

[@childs4remodel]

I love when Christians say that nonbelievers believe in magic what a joke🎉

[@Ape-shapedCarbon]

It would be awesome if they actually found a "kimono dragon". Sounds like a good "bride of godzilla" character.

[@AlphaBeta-cf5wf]

Great, now i can't remember what the animal is actually called. Its going to be a kimono dragon in my head from now on. I hate this comment.

[@peterwyetzner5276]

KIMONO DRAGON IS ATTACKING THE CITY OF TOKYO!

[@janosszabo98]

Take a group of cats and divide then in two groups. Take one group to a cold climate and the other to a hot climate. Wait a few thousand generation to pass and see the result. Assuming both group were able to adapt and survive, it's pretty much guaranteed that the cold climate group will have a thicker and longer coat. It's also likely their color changed. Probably the cold climate ones will be smaller, too, if food there more scarce. These are small changes, but the sum of them might even prevent the two groups to interbreed, even though they originated from the same exact group. That's what we call evolution. That's why we have lions, cugars, leopards, jaguars, tigers, domestic cats, etc. It really is not too difficult to understand. I don't know what's wrong with some people.

[@ucheosajie1313]

Clearly put! It always frustrates me why the atheist debaters never run them through this. This dude claimed unviable transitional fossils should exist. Meanwhile the whole point of evolution is to gain fitness through reproductive succes 😂

[@janosszabo98]

@@ucheosajie1313 They clearly don't understand how incredibly lucky we are to have found the fossils we have. They think just because we found some, we should be able to find the remains of every living thing ever existed. Which is kinda stupid if you ask me.

[@calvinwithun6512]

43:15 Ozoen: "...Prokaryotes." EvidenceofGod: "Eukaryotes, yeah." Me: _facepalm_

[@JasonIversen]

Give a child a puppy, you will see wonderful love... No loss required...

[@Aragorn66]

Kent Hovind 2.0

[@Person-ip7iy]

Kent hovid is the god of the strawman fallacy.

[@peterwyetzner5276]

So, he makes fun of Ozien for "not knowing about evolution", but when asked if he himself is well-informed about the subject he says it doesn't matter.

[@dylanmotes2719]

Trees are not oxygen intake systems...

[@magus-mork]

Congrats dr kunz! Love seeing that in the host box. I think i can safely speak for all of us when i say we hope to see you more often. I like justin and ryan alot but hey, its your channel.

[@theImprobableSteve]

Tiktaalik being a secret kimono [sic] dragon is a new one to me. And absolutely hilarious!

[@henrybap]

I’m 20+ minutes into this debate and I have no idea what any of what they’re speaking on has to do with Christianity.

[@epicurious6078]

EoG: "They're still making discoveries that prove the Bible is true." Sweet, name one...and why didn't you bother presenting even one during this debate????

[@dylanmotes2719]

Apparently a fish is a komodo dragon? LMFAO and then he says you're just jumping to conclusions... Just trying to make things fit, that don't fit? Projection is strong with this one! And then he bashes his own religious beliefs?

[@bratboy5203]

EOG it's so easy to counter it's not even a fair fight. He's the kind of guy that doesn't know anything about other countries. Why is Scandinavia so great? They've basically dumped Christianity and have become better since they did so

[@calvinwithun6512]

James is back!!! ❤

[@monstrdog7031]

"ancient people couldn't tell that rain comes from clouds or that water evaporates and falls from the sky" this was painful from the beginning, but hs the ignorance of even basic evolution

[@maxhagenauer24]

1:28:07 The 1st derivative of 3x^3 = 9x^2 by the way.

[@RDR12344]

Interesting

[@mmafreaks4871]

what set god into motion?

[@Frogdoddofficial]

This is maybe the least evidence ive seen for god. 😂

[@Kazerole]

👎. What’s the point of having a moderator if you let someone interrupt their opponent to say “you believe”/“you think” over and over again. It’s just painful to listen to. Sincerely asking MDD. I understand that people are allowed to strawman then get countered but here it’s getting WAY out of hand to the point where it’s just noise for like 15min. The discussion is going nowhere.

[@0xyzabcx0]

If EvidenceOfGod thinks life originating from single cell organisms is such an absurd assertion, It’s gonna blow his mind when he finds out he started from a single cell embryo.

[@NanoGamingGamer]

19:00 and the first lie comes out. This is how it always is with them. "it has a central nervous system" to "it has a similar system to a central nervous system".

[@peterwyetzner5276]

The Bible doesn't say that the water was the source of all life on Earth, but the source of marine life.

[@calvinwithun6512]

So... God is energy? That's... not conventional Christianity. But ok.

[@jamesstew4791]

Kimono Dragon

[@Jeartozer]

"Evolution is real, the bible confirms it. But evolution is false and God created everything, so I win"

[@unclescipio3136]

Do none of these guys watch debates between theists and atheists? They make the same arguments, all of them, again and again, and they always fail. This Evidence of God dude has less understanding of evolution than most high school kids. Every time he said 'kimono dragon' I got this absurd mental picture of Smaug in a dressing gown.

[@mattersnow]

I had a formal Inductive Argument from Evil prepared, PowerPoint, etc... but after his opening I tossed my work in the trash because, well, you heard it. - Ozien

[@jdknight7380]

Getting tired of people debating all it does is separate us as a species

[@kaineskeptic6484]

How are creationists always so embarrassingly ignorant of the topic they obsess over. Is it really that hard to read a damn book?

[@youarenotcool8926]

Once. Just ONCE! It would be nice to hear an apologist try to argue their position while sounding informed and intelligent regarding the science behind evolution, genetics, biochemistry, and natural selection. It is always a caricature and straw man. Their views on evolution are about as robust and informed as someone claiming they know how to play the stock market because they watched the movie Trading Places.

[@mikemcmike6427]

EOG is an embarrassment to human beings.

[@epicurious6078]

I'm one hour in and the "debate" is off-topic...how does discussing evolution provide evidence for whether or not Christianity is true? EOG just deflecting and re-directing...

[@Corbellations]

1:35:15 "this isn't an evolutionary thing" *Proceeds to describe evolutionary changes*

[@erikhviid3189]

“Evidence of God” said one intelligent thing (1:16 - 1:17): I am not an expert on evolution. Correct, you don’t have a clue.

[@Gotime_project]

For an atheist To say “ electricity is not energy” is quite a claim💀

[@Kazerole]

Well actually it’s not ^^. We’re used to the phrase “electrical energy” as a shorthand but it’s not. It’s a medium used to transfer or store it. For example in a battery you never loose any matter yet once it’s depleted you have the same “electricity” (same number of electrons) but can’t use it to deliver energy.

[@user-yp7gp9cg6o]

EOG read a couple of words in the Bible and now he thinks he is a evolutionary biologist.

[@petejsmith23]

It's weird. I miss James.

[@theImprobableSteve]

Shape-shifting? 😂😂😂

[@rabbitpirate]

In his opening EoG made the claim that the Earth's equatorial and polar circumference is the same, it's not, he is just factually wrong about this. Given that he is factually wrong about things we can actually check, why should we take his word for it on matters that we can't check, like the existence of God?

[@irvingmarcovici8445]

One of the better debates with a creationist, but this guy still employs bad logic. Ozien wins!

[@antona163]

You know what. It would be nice if the theist answered a question any theist on this channel. Why not implement repeating the question back to the questioner. Lets hold their feet to the fire and get some answers.

[@craiggoldberg1539]

Dude thinks the equator is an actual physical line on the earth? Wtf

[@ColaGuts]

Why is Ozien debating Ricky from Trailer Park Boys?

[@FelixFortunaRex]

Printing press and many denominations. After all could read bible they realize that what preacher have said about books me is not always or exactly what is written. Therefore many different interpretations meaning many denominations. Does he not get it? Before the press all believed what preachers say was what bible said. Odd that after press many different groups and interpretations? Just like before church bible and New Testament their was lots of groups/cults/denominations.

[@peterwyetzner5276]

The way he pronounces "academia" suggests that he isn't at all familiar with it.

[@taylorclark1082]

Didnt noah live to be a few hundred years old

[@FelixFortunaRex]

Back in old days no one lived to be 100-110-120. Why not? Cause people can’t eat good enough food or wealthy people that did no work and had old modern medicine couldn’t ?? Just cause we live with modern medicine doesn’t mean they couldn’t live just as long odds to think they couldn’t or wouldn’t. Look at India. Old way of living in most places and they live long long lives. They ones that live in temple and have to do no work except bless those that bring them food. They live long long time

[@davemohan1765]

is the guy who was born from a virgin done did it,🤔🤔

[@troystevens1976]

Christian groups produce their own literature and pseudoscientific studies in support of their dogmas and denying established science: this makes these debates fruitless as both sides end up waisting all their time trying to establish what’s true rather than the subject they’re debating. Perhaps before a debate, an agreed upon fact checker can check the arguments people plan to use, so we can see a debate rather than waisting time on who’s using the correct information.

[@mikemcmike6427]

We have great fossils of whales slowely being land animals making small changes and becoming what we know as modern whales

[@claudiaarjangi4914]

Why do these YEC theists expect NOT to have to DO THE WORK of showing it matches reality, WORKS & makes PRECISE predictions, ( not fluffy handwavy "predictions" like the stuff they could ALREADY see happening ) just like ALL of the sciences had to do, BEFORE they were taken seriously ? 😁🌏☮️

[@Coltsfan421]

Clearly you don't know science many are still theoretical meaning not proven fyi. And what is your definition of proof or evidence because these terms were first legal not scientific and don't go googling today's definition tell me your definition of proof because if your speaking of prophecy's they are proof in reality and they we not predicted or predicated on what you could see coming nor were they perposefully directed to be fulfilled that's the softest most uneducated argument I've heard Jesus crusifiction was predicted around 600 yrs before his birth so your saying that he said well man in order for me to be the Messiah of the Jews I should cause my self to be hated and chastised by the priests in power and then beaten within a inch of my life but don't worry I'll live and recover enough to days later be crusifed but before that I'll be able for sure to walk a stone road uphill with a heavy wooden cross then I'll be fine getting staked to it then I'll hang there for hours and be fine then die when Im ready I'll make sure they draw lots for my cloths and when I'm dead I'll be sure the soldier present stabs me in my side instead of breaking my bones lol how ridiculous does that sound. And then to say someone would die on purpose just to be a king and gain nothing makes no since at all so the biblical nerative is more reality then the one in you and Matt's mind.

[@MrAweeze]

The guests look like they could be brothers. I also don't know why the atheist says a singularity isn't part of the modern cosmological model when it very much is. The Big Bang theory has rightly come under serious scrutiny lately, but its still all we have, and it starts with a singularity.

[@mattersnow]

@MrAweeze Because it is not. The current cosmological model is Lambda-CDM and definitely doesn't include a singularity. The Lambda-CDM model, also known as the standard model of Big Bang cosmology, describes the universe's expansion from a hot, dense state but does not necessitate a singularity. The misconception likely arises from older interpretations of the Big Bang theory that suggested a singularity as the universe's starting point. However, modern cosmology, supported by observations and theoretical advances, has moved beyond this notion. The Lambda-CDM model incorporates dark energy (represented by Lambda, Λ) and cold dark matter (CDM) to explain the observed structure and dynamics of the universe. Instead of starting with a singularity, the Lambda-CDM model describes the universe's evolution from a hot, dense phase roughly 13.8 billion years ago. It successfully accounts for the cosmic microwave background radiation, large-scale structure, and the accelerating expansion of the universe without invoking a singularity. I recommend you look into NASA's resources on the Lambda-CDM model for a more detailed understanding of the current cosmological framework. It's important to stay updated with the latest scientific consensus to avoid relying on outdated concepts. - Ozien

[@MrAweeze]

@@mattersnow what is the name given to this "hot dense state"?

[@mattersnow]

@MrAweeze The "hot dense state" refers to the condition of the universe at the very early stages of the Big Bang, before it started expanding. This state is often characterized by extreme temperatures and densities. The exact size of this hot dense state is a subject of ongoing research, but it is understood to be extremely small, possibly approaching a point-like state, but not necessarily a true singularity. In the context of the Lambda-CDM model, this hot dense state marks the beginning of the observable universe, and as it expanded, it cooled down, leading to the formation of matter as we know it. The term "hot dense state" helps avoid the implication of a singularity, which suggests an infinitely small point with infinite density, something modern cosmology does not necessarily support. For a more detailed understanding, I recommend looking into NASA's resources on the Lambda-CDM model, which provide extensive information on this topic.

[@freddan6fly]

@@mattersnow Matt O'Dowd as well as Don Lincoln have explained the start of the universe exactly as you describe it.

[@Chemasaurus]

There is no singularity in the big bang model. I suspect this has come from poor science communication. Nor is the big bang under the scrutiny that you think it is. Aspects of it, certainly. But those things don't put the big bang into question. This is just creationist rhetoric.

[@SabracadabrO]

Dude conflating his incredulous opinions & inhumanly rigid feelings for facts & evidence…

[@antona163]

So since he preaches look it up when evidence comes up. to look it up. Go read the bible for the first time and read it slowly so you can understand the words. Then education yourself on the bible for first time. Its an evil vile book the needs to be opposed.

[@Blackaveragegolfers]

Weather 2000 years ago or 2000 years in the future sleeping with kids I wrong fullstop and your sick if you think otherwise.

[@plick645]

Holy fk. One dude comes with a sermon. The other is a climate change activist. I want to get away. Im out.

[@rabbitpirate]

No, sorry, I am done. This EoG guy is just awful and I can't watch him anymore.

[@Gotime_project]

Is the atheist Just going to constantly I shift instead of Making his arguments coherent and rational?

[@tonyperez9102]

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[@0xyzabcx0]

If EvidenceOfGod thinks life originating from single cell organisms is such an absurd assertion, It’s gonna blow his mind when he finds out he started from a single cell embryo.