Debate: The internet is a failed utopia

[@broodwarplayer]

Feels quite ironic to watch this debate on the internet.

[@LordBackuro]

No not really

[@ADerpyReality]

Damn... You lost me when you said we only use 15% of our brain at one time.

[@aiza9052]

I just scrolled down to the comments, when I heard her say that, looking to see if this debate is worth skipping. What an dreadfully empty piece of rhetoric. It instantly sets me to question the validity of anything the speaker has to say, as well as the validity of the entire debate.

[@BillClinton228]

Very common misconception started by a doctor in the early 20th century... it's quiet disturbing to see that educated people still believe it.

[@laaaliiiluuu]

Probably what he means is 15% of the brain's potential and not the actual brain matter.

[@sr-gc6vh]

Watching this in 2018 the internet seems more like a trap than something liberatory. And things keep getting worse.

[@mba321]

Looking back in hindsight and what has been happening online in the last few months, it's clear that history has proven Andrew Keen absolutely correct.

[@matchbox555]

The internet will be a utopia when I can download food and weed off it.

[@nadineblack8102]

matchbox555 LOL,LOL,LOL.

[@ductuslupus87]

I think this whole debate should just simply ask the question of whether the benefits of internet out-way the costs. And Mr Pasquale's is both annoying and fake.

[@dashercronin]

The Internet is merely an instrument, the greatest communication tool in history. Humanity is the failure not the internet.

[@maryhatch9225]

Absolutely right! The good and bad of any tool / instrument lies in the hands of those who use it. Name any invention that has brought only good to humanity.

[@ronaldlogan3525]

good point. Now let's take a good look at who is using it and for what purpose. When we find the crux of the problem, let's not blame the technology, but the people that used it for their own benefit while destroying the rest of society through disruption and political/economic warfare. That would be the owners of the platforms.

[@dickhamilton3517]

Facebook's, Google's, etc, power on the Internet is NOT inevitable in the least. It could disappear tomorrow, if a good chunk of us decided so. Remember MySpace?

[@ElectronicCalifornia]

That was early in the internet. With billions of users and partnered with Google, Facebook is definitely not going anywhere anytime soon.

[@ildikoivanyi6873]

It's only the ruling class that feels this way lol! It opened the gateway to the truths withheld from the average person about the system we live in.

[@ColHogan-bu2xq]

How true.

[@gushutchinson8758]

Has life during wartime ever felt so removed from the killing . Imformation overload has not made us collectively more likely to give a shit ... quite the opposite... even the bombers are increasingly sitting at a screen in some office the other side of the world .... excessive drone use could give a soldier a bad case of RSI

[@AjarnSpencer]

when you chat with a friend on your mobile phone about sending flowers to mum, within half a day you will be being served ads for Interflora Thats what Google does with your info, and thats why google talk and gmail is free. Because they take what you type and speak in private (google voice too) and use it to find out what they can sell to you

[@wunademones]

I used the internet to watch this debate

[@daveyineluctable5525]

+wunademones NASA used not-the-internet to land on Moon, Newton and Einstein and more to discover the laws of the universe, Cerevantes and Shakespeare to write great literature still copied today. I could go on forever into more great work than you could consume in your lifetime. But now everyone can jack-off a lot easier, literally and figuratively. Technology is outstanding and only Hard Work creates great advancement. But the 99.9& utilize neither. The internet doesn't change much. Pre-cell phone highschoolers chitchatted afterschool all day on AOL Instant Messenger, before that it was the home phone, before that they played outside. So, that's what's changed, worldwide obesity and fatness, even developing China is getting fatter. We're all gonna be fat. That's my prediction for the future. Buy my stock.

[@wunademones]

meanwhile other people in developing countries are dying cos they don't enough food to eat

[@squamish4244]

The Internet saved my life, does that count for anything?

[@williamparker1085]

the internet is destroying the world !!

[@santosateos1452]

One guy has a small pizza shop, he need that people find his store, obviously, he cannot build a search app, so google do it for him. He also cannot build an e-commerce app so his customers can pay his pizzas on line, there is PayPal and others that do it for him. He also cannot build a map that can follow the delivery man so his customers can check when their pizza is arriving, there is google maps and others that do this for him. Like this pizza owner there are millions that benefits of big companies in internet. Is the same in the real world, small business need big business and vice-versa.

[@bahamutstear1369]

Wow the tittle of this YT sure puts it mildly

[@nakkiewildvangst2656]

let's not lie to ourselves: internet saves us from boredom

[@babushka_boy]

boredom? you could improve your life, instead of finding a quick distraction, in your death bed you'll realise" oh shit" i spent a large chunk of my life looking at a tv screen

[@JohnCahillChapel]

Some non-points in that lot. Maybe the proposal was silly. Did the chairman fall asleep?

[@satoshinakamoto5710]

What is the 'internet' in the first place? To most people, isn't it just a couple of websites?

[@trollop_7]

It is now.

[@chopin65]

I think they mean dystopia.

[@arthurlewis9193]

The internet has largely become a medium for village idiots to communicate more efficiently. However it is perceived as a threat by the "established" news outlets for a different reason - it steps out of line too often.

[@Pay2winboi]

well put haha

[@youtubetroll6620]

internet was good until , politicians arrived

[@abcac2274]

Internet is misleading.

[@thepretendraver312]

What’s the point of this debate? Will it change anything?

[@trollop_7]

Is this your attitude towards all entertainment?

[@justgivemethetruth]

I liked the British version of IQ2, the American version is so biased to the right.

[@BillClinton228]

Left is wrong and right is might.

[@justgivemethetruth]

fuck off idiot

[@ColHogan-bu2xq]

Andrew Keen and Frank Pasquale are wise men.

[@ton1]

idiotic debate!

[@allardfreichmann3733]

Tools are just tools.

[@keithbentley6081]

The American woman makes every word sound the same length. A terrible skill indeed.

[@mastertheillusion]

What is the point when the subject has not even matured into this utopia in the first place. Stupid debate

[@tom210493]

+mastertheillusion The very notion of 'utopia' is a massive debate, so I think you're simplifying things here.

[@ColHogan-bu2xq]

The evidence that one cannot be rich and good at the same time, is that God said : "Woe to the rich !"

[@feorh1919]

loved the moderator

[@egbukwuprince]

Andrew Keen, Always missing the point, I am not sure why he is equating the moral values of humans who use the internet as the real image of the internet.

[@AlexanderLaurence]

failed 30:00

[@lydia5489]

I'm almost totally with Andrew Keen on this. 👌🏻

[@stevo728822]

The internet is ok when it's free. The cameraman always focuses on the pretty girls.

[@thepretendraver312]

Wasn’t communism and nazism a failed utopia too? When people going to realise there ain’t really going to be a utopia really is there? If keen thinks internet can be improved what are his ideas and plans? What is the answer?

[@uwotm8634]

Mark Heath isn't the Internet always improving, as in innovation is the highest in all of history

[@jesuscastanares4968]

OPINION: ENGLISH TRAVELS AFRICA OBSERVES BUILDS OF H2O, ETC.

[@waltermcmain3461]

Someone needs to save that first guy from the bottom of the well he's sitting in.

[@inHell-rb]

Someone who believes that we only use 15% of the capacity that is available is simple false! Educate yourself before you speak out so confidently. More is not always better. Sometimes less is more (Look up "Flowstate") She got me until this point. Now all her credibility is gone. It´s kind of fair, isn´t it?^^

[@ronaldlogan3525]

the children that were brain washed by the internet while still just toddlers, will never understand what part of their humanity has been lost, and will resent it when we tell them. Slip sliding away.

[@ColHogan-bu2xq]

Without electricity, the internet is non existent.

[@ColHogan-bu2xq]

21:46 : Not sure that the Beatles and Bob Dylan will last and be remembered as long as Shakespeare or the Roman Empire ...

[@hazartilirot1014]

Profuse thanks to IQ^2, I've been waiting for the debate for a long time! :D Now I can watch it. Woo hoo!

[@mrnongod9548]

What has made the Internet worst is online dating, porn and violence. Get rid of these 3 and it will be a utopia.

[@Malcolm701]

The internet is a reflection of the world. One needs discrimination and judgement to use it. The internet enables one to find things out very quickly, things you may have extreme difficulty finding out under normal circumstances.

[@richardmycroft5336]

And while you do that you are being tracked and everything you do on the net is being logged. So it seems we are heading at electronic speed towards a corporate 1% Big Brother dystopia. And as we know after the Snowden revelations all of this information is being shared with governmental spy agencies.

[@Berzerk-cr2cy]

Rubbish, the internet without intervention and the monetisation of access, will be the greatest method and vehicle for the platonic method of political discourse and advancement of information in history.

[@IoRoberto]

I think none really hit da nail and the nail is that on Internet those who produce contents are not being paid, differently from the old media networks (radio, tv, music industry etc) we should focus on this subject, why people who produce contents are not being paid

[@uwotm8634]

The debate topic itself is strange, I don't think the Internet was ever intended to be a utopia, even after it was given to the public, the Internet definitely has its downsides like newer ways to commit crime, depression, addiction, etc. But overall it's a very valuable tool that isn't going anywhere soon, it can only improve from here on out

[@ColHogan-bu2xq]

When the product is free, then _you_ are the product.There's no such thing as a free lunch. By the way, the story of the two turkeys really comes timely.

[@allardfreichmann3733]

People need to be responsible and make choices. Tools cannot.

[@ElectronicCalifornia]

OoOOH that clap against Google...

[@spacedoohicky]

Who decided the internet is supposed to be a utopia? I thought it was supposed to be a library, mechanism to communicate, and sometimes game platform. Edit: Ok now I understand. Seems like a tall order for what is a tool to live up to. I tend to think a little imperfection is what makes the internet great. Why regulate when we're going to have the same problems with the regulators as any of the other potential trouble makers. Censorship makes me sad.

[@richardmycroft5336]

Why regulate railroads or telephone companies of the past? Because as with those past monopolies the new ones have too much power over us. Ever tried shopping for something on a whim and then finding every site you visit after that has ads listing sites where you can buy that product? And advertising is not based upon you getting the best or least expensive version of a product or service, but rather delivering you into the hands of organizations that afford to get the drivel that most ads are in front of your eyes as often as possible.

[@meandmymouth]

Every "new thing" is eventually found out to be a failure. As Robin Williams said " Life is a tragedy to those who feel and a comedy to those who think". I prefer to use the second law of thermodynamics which says in effect "In the end everything turns to shit". You just have to be patient ;)