DEBATE: Vegan Activist Meets Irish Dairy Farmer (The Disclosure Podcast - Episode 5)

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[@ed.winters]

Hey everyone, sorry for the re-upload/wait due to some audio issues! The ethical debate starts at 42:00 (it’s mainly environmental topics until that point). Big shout out to Vegan Footsolider for helping out! kzbin.info/door/75a5GNNdsohKwidfAWowyAvideos

[@cosmiccreator]

I absolutely love these podcasts! Thanks so much Ed! Very nice to see your face too! :) ♥

[@MayIPleaseAskYou]

@Earthling Ed for me this was Totally AWESOME 👏🏼 👏🏼👏🏼 A true meeting of minds 🧠 - albeit diametrically opposite! It was heart💔breaking to listen to the justification for the slavery, suffering and slaughter of Mothers 🐮 and Babies 🐄 For me, I heard a lot of repetitive self reinforcement of the reasons why ‘harming’ is necessary and Veganism 🌱 cannot possibly be sustainable... YOU were so amazing, as always and I do hope you can arrange to go to NI and meet up with Ryan in the Not too distant future‼️ Your soft spoken, non confrontational, honesty packs a Real PUNCH 🥊 THANK YOU SO MUCH for shining a bright light 🔦 in the darkness 👩🏻‍💻

[@lendrestapas2505]

@Earthling Ed will you be at the 24h Anonymous for the Voiceless cube in Amsterdam?

[@VeganV5912]

You’re a vegan ✅or are you are murderer 🧟‍♂️🐷🍖. That’s that. Which do you want to be ?? Murder, or ✅? Go vegan, please, The Earth 🌍 is dying because of us. Scientific fact. Thousands of studies show this. ✅. Vegan curry 🍛, vegan 🥓🌭🥪🍔🍣🧀🍕🍳🥮🍦🍮🧁🍫🎂🍧🍨🍤.... No guilt. Win-win situation. One person in one year will save 330 animals !!!!! That’s something proud 😊☺️🥳✅👏

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Hey Ed, this is Lynette. I sent an email about the book I'm making you and Luna. Hope you can send that card we signed. Send to my email. Thanks.

[@jhunt5578]

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it” - Upton Sinclair

[@gregrowlerson4564]

Perfect Point.

[@lets7121]

oooo the power of good quotes.

[@jhunt5578]

@@S7Vmv He works for a charity organisation and his restaurants profits go to charity. If Ed gets what he wants and everyone goes Vegan, he'll be out of a "job"

[@lets7121]

@@S7Vmv how would you know his entire income is based of being vegan? Are you his accountant? Im sure he was talking about veganism before he ever got payed to do it.

[@NahkriinAhziid]

ManyHousePlants he definitely has a very low income so it is definitely coming from his shitty KZbin channel

[@klaraeickhoff7472]

The Irish dairy farmer is so well mannered and brilliant for being open enough to travel to speak about this. I have been vegan for some time and he is a rare gem! Ed did a great job providing this safe platform to have this discussion. If more people were as civil and brave as this, a lot of problems would be solved. Both deserve some major respect.

[@ryanblack9876]

Thbak you!!

[@juniper1982]

I love his Irish accent 😍 Love Ed too!

[@The_Pedal_Guy]

@@ryanblack9876 A year late but good on you, Ryan for sharing your viewpoints. A lot of people would shy away and I think you spoke very well.

[@ryanblack9876]

@@The_Pedal_Guy thank you !

[@J.mansel4291]

Ryan Black great interview. I’m one of those that agree with your view points and you did very well

[@anirudhmuthusamy]

Hey Ed I'm a 16 year old whos finally convinced his parents to go vegan and now our entire family is following a vegan diet. I showed them Cpwspiracy and bunch of your videos and now we are vegans. You're just incredibly inspirational and such a role model. Despite our culture and traditions, we recognise that something's wrong and now we're vegans. Thank you so much!

[@theguywhoasked6104]

Hax hax youre cheating, as a child, my household refuses to listen to me. Youre either lying or just lucky to have open minded household lol. I call hax

[@alhediia]

@@theguywhoasked6104 lol, same here. My mum gets angry for making my life harder and for "dramatizing" because I don't want to eat animals xd

[@RABIDJOCK]

Yep suuuuuurrrre 😆

[@TkJimCareyfaninK]

@@theguywhoasked6104 its called hoax,and if it is weird lie hay lol

[@TkJimCareyfaninK]

@@alhediia not everyones family is the same or as close minded keep that in mind on that topic

[@TheObsessedGardener]

Kudos to this fine young man who wanted to come onto the show and share his story with Ed. While the nutritional science speaks to the truth that not only is dairy unnecessary, but harmful to human health I sat here and warmly listened to him. If he is man enough to talk on a vegan podcast, I'm man enough to listen without screeching at my screen because I disagree. Once again, both of you are speaking respectfully and it's an example of how more discussions could be had moving forward. Well done.

[@TheKyleAye]

He seems like a good kid but fell into brainwashing.

[@violagirl6132]

I think this farmer was very brave to come on this podcast and discuss these things with Ed. I loved that they were so respectful to each other. When we see farmers like this lad talking, we do need to realise that farmers have been doing what they do for generations and we have to have some sympathy and understanding for the fact that their livelihoods are at risk. It is discussions like this that help to move the argument forward. Mutual Respect and conversation is the way to go. But I do agree that it is a shame that sometimes farmers do not understand all the science out there, and some are evil to their animals. Then we have no option but to expose those cruel people.

[@HunterBelkiran]

@@TheKyleAye Most people have been indoctrinated to believe we need animal products to survive and to be healthy. I know I thought that at one point. We are no so different from this guy, and he is not so different from us.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

LOL "Fine young man" who exploits and abuses animals then lies about it. If you "warmly" listened to his lies and propaganda then you must be another dairy farmer.

[@welcomeback2mychannel]

Harvey PlantHarvester disagree all you want but ALWAYS listen and respond with empathy and respect. Always. Like both Ed and Ryan did with each other. No 🙄 not a dairy farmer before you insinuate.

[@joanndehnert2933]

No arguing with facts. Ed is calm, articulate and so knowledgeable. Listen to his message. Listen to your conscience. Think about the future of your children and our planet.

[@reido3955]

My kid gonna get a burger from the chippy every Friday

[@lloydchristmas4547]

@@reido3955 arterial plaque begins to build in childhood.

[@roza344]

Fact is that every vegan today will meat and animal products very soon again.

[@g.h7657]

@@roza344 lay off the poppy injections. It's making you slow

[@g.h7657]

@@traymitt this is such a fail troll its hilarious. Trans fat is naturally in ALL meat you idiot. and name one plant that has it.......lol The American college of cardiology (largest group of heart experts in the world) claim its directly caused by dietary cholesterol, trans, and saturated fats. Without the cholesterol and bad fats it CANNOT occur. The healthy cholesterol range where it cannot occur is VERY low and can only be achieved on a vegan diet

[@pixieQV]

I've watched so many documentaries, videos, read articles and books, but every time when I watch your videos I learn something new. Thanks Ed.

[@indiafalconer2185]

Hi I wrote an animal rights song called Time to Change. It would be amazing if you could give it a listen! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKPcYoSvfq5sn7s

[@emilylove7377]

A lot of people being unnecessarily rude to Ryan. Like Ed said, communication is the only way and he had his views and presented them.

[@ryanblack9876]

Thank you!

[@indiafalconer2185]

Hi I wrote an animal rights song called Time to Change. It would be amazing if you could give it a listen! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKPcYoSvfq5sn7s

[@Patralgan]

If dairy industry was invented today, everyone would be like "this is insane, let's just not do this"

[@Hungry.Homies]

Patralgan false

[@Ciaranhbennett]

@@Hungry.Homies oh so kidnapping baby calves away from their mother's so you can breast feed as an adult is sanity to you? 😂

[@Hungry.Homies]

Yes ciaran, it’s what we call good craic, party on ya header

[@Patralgan]

@@Hungry.Homies I'm pretty confident it's not false.

[@Bloxeh]

Indeed. If we would go on the streets and sell dogs milk from our (imaginative) humane dog farm, people would riot. Of course, we don't kill male dogs on our farm! No! We just "sell them on" (*cough* for killing), but this is totally out of our hands. They are a waste product for us, but for someone else, they might really like them, maybe? Who knows, right?

[@suugaberry6426]

Thanks Ryan and Ed for giving more insight and being respectful. It's refreshing to see two people debating without being defensive. In the future, times will change and maybe you'll find that you can live happily and conveniently off of a vegan lifestyle. If you truely believe raising herbivores on grasslands is important to the environment, turning a small farm into a sanctuary is perfect. You'd never have to send them to slaughter and we'd be happy to donate.

[@suugaberry6426]

@@marioferrari3041 is that legal? Idk someone might find them and take them.

[@chrilin5107]

Great idea

[@LouisGedo]

*If it were true that the cows freely give us milk, then why do they have to be forced to be separated from that milk?* *Obviously* we take milk from cows in the same way we'd have to take milk from pregnant human females if we were conditioned to accept drinking human milk past infancy.

[@lloydchristmas4547]

Correct. Rape is rape.

[@ievk8058]

@@lloydchristmas4547 Cattle are receptive to being g bred when cycling and not when they're not.. As is the case in other animals in nature.. No "rape" involved~

[@ievk8058]

@Annie Well, I actually GREW UP on a cattle ranch, and have witnessed 'orphans' which are bottle fed, for example, away from the rest of the herd. And when they are returned to the herd, when their gut is ready for fibre, they usually adapt and integrate with the other cattle within a day or so.. I've never seen an orphan show the type of social distress that that article is alluding/hypothesizing.. HOWEVER, when, I personally, became over- attached, over friendly with the orphans, then I have witnessed more stress accrued by the orphan when returned to the herd - this was due to TOO much human inyerference/pampering etc. These are complex animals, that few people really understand, since 99% or so of the global population has spent any significant amount of time with the. This is one reason that the vegan agenda is readily persuasive to the generally urban public.~

[@ievk8058]

@Annie That's nice.. they're an urban university, not actually a farm. If these calves were significantly stressed, they would become sick, costing the farmer (usually a stressed bovine will develop pneumonia, which can become quickly fatal, especially for weak calves). So if this 'early separation', was significantly stressful, there would be many sick calves, which there rarely is, in properly managed operations. Animals don't lie, if they dont feel well mentally physically, they will show obvious distress and usually become physically sick rapidly. So it is never in the farmers best interest to distress them. Just how it works - is natural law of creatures..)

[@donaldanderson6578]

EST Oh wait...

[@DavidDorenfeld]

Ed, you have inspired me as not only a vegan, but a person. I have been binge-watching so many of your videos and debates, and I've realized the way I communicate with others can be done in a much more effective and respectful way. Thank you so much for sharing all that you do and for the wonderful e-book. -David

[@SquattersVision]

Big up for this. Exactly the kind of conversations that are needed. A breath of fresh air really. And big kudos for the guy coming on here. Takes a lot of balls to come on a vegan channel and stand up for your oposing views

[@ryanblack9876]

Thanks. Man!

[@rb6298]

I disagree what he says but still an intelligent and thought provoking guy that added something to the vegan convocation- even if it is something to revoke

[@DominionMovementDotOrg]

kudos to anyone with the courage to actually become vegan

[@mells3167]

He seems like such a nice person. It's a shame that he's involved in so much cruelty.

[@patrickgrant8291]

mell V don’t judge he’s my best mate

[@patrickgrant8291]

mell V it’s wrong for u to call him cruel as he says who he doesn’t agree with AI or factory farms and I’ve been working on the small farm he talks about too and that farm is not cruel at all what needs to be done is done and there’s nothing else that needs said so stop calling it cruel

[@mells3167]

@@patrickgrant8291 I wasn't judging him?

[@WalterKhayyam]

@@mells3167 You just said he's "involved in so much cruelty"; that is judging him.

[@mells3167]

@@patrickgrant8291 I didn't call him cruel at all. I said that the dairy industry is cruel. Impregnating a female cow, then stealing her babies, killing those babies then killing the mother is cruel

[@Lucas43434]

These five episodes are exactly what I hoped the podcast would be. A good variety of interviews, and informational stuff. You're the best at talking to people who disagree with you. Keep it up!

[@g.h7657]

As an irish vegan it makes me so sad to see the farmers here brainwashed. Hopefully one day i can drive around the beatiful island without seeing animals marked with a tag as if they aren't even a living being.

[@Law-_]

@@traymitt you have no life smh just go awat from this channel.

[@Law-_]

@@traymitt first this is not a "forum", second you reply shit to literally every comments below. Just get a life.

[@yingyang1008]

Surely you wouldn't see any animals at all - they'd all be gone

[@Feeshgmod]

MARIO FERRARI and thats where he stops replying lol

[@yingyang1008]

@@marioferrari3041 The animals will disappear though if we become vegan

[@martinparigini8087]

I love you Ed, you are a very nice human being

[@ourdebtfreejourney1156]

Good god the idea of a baby being taken from their mom tears me to pieces. Being a new mom to my first baby makes that circumstance all too real right now. Poor babies and poor Mommas. 😥 100% vegan for life.

[@plumpudding748]

I know! I feel like this point alone should be the beginning and end of the argument! I know a lot of people will try and find endless ways of justifying it because of the current diet fads that are all about eating animal products and low carbs 🙄. BUT I still think more than half of the population know this to be horrific in their hearts but pretend it doesn't exist just to fit in and they think it tastes good.

[@kaylanewis5392]

I know it is one of the worst parts of the animal agricultural industry, all animals are beautiful. These poor little souls do not deserve this amount of hell and cruelty on earth in which human beings have created that these sweet babies have to go through everyday. X

[@VeganFootsoldier]

great discussion! basically boils down to the dairy farmer being wrong about health and the environment and when Ed corners him on whether he would go vegan if they weren't concerns, he said yes. So by virtue of him being simply being factually mistaken on those topics, he should go vegan by his own standards.

[@ryanblack9876]

Not right you are just saying he's right and I believe I am right there are tons of facts against you and against me can't just be so one sided

[@VeganFootsoldier]

@@ryanblack9876 I'm going off what the science says. you have to skew the interpretation of the science or look through a very distorted lens indeed to come to the conclusion that animal agriculture is better for the environment than growing potatoes for example. I worked out the caloric efficiency in one of my videos and it was some hilariously large amount more efficient to grow potatoes than eat beef. In terms of health, the arguments on the table are basically "nutrient density tho" which is essentially just "smaller portion sizes are better tho". OK, says who? I like the amount of food I eat. Extremely weak argument imho.

[@ryanblack9876]

@@VeganFootsoldier no that may be the only argument in the video but if you actually looked at science you would see that is the cause of factory farming not farming it self but factory Famring grasslands need to be managed by herbivores you can't just let them grow to wild flowers it doesn't work that way we need that land mass to store the essential carbon of the world went vegan soil erosion would. Be a major problem food miles would increase deforestation would increase waste land would increase honey bees would die increase use of chemicals on plants increase of gmos and many more increase of carbon footprint it uses up more carbon for a portion of calfornian avacodos than one portion of British beef buy local support your local economy

[@MrMking1991]

@@ryanblack9876 Let's hope your use of punctuation increases too

[@mag3nta531]

@@ryanblack9876 I don't know exactly where you're getting your facts from but it doesn't make a lot of sense. In terms of restoring grassland, you can certainly do so without grazing animals as they are the ones preventing ecological succession. Yes, it takes a lot of time and we can help the process with manual intervention but definitely not with grazing animals. I feel like the point about avocados is somewhat valid in terms of airmiles but one can ready buy Spanish avocados fairly widely (coop, morrisons and a local grocers near me sells them) and its possible to grow them in countries with similar climes.

[@MukulVyas5]

Ed deals with non-vegans as a doctor deals with their patients. The doctor knows that if someone is ill it's the disease which is problematic not the patient themselves. Ed knows non-vegans are not the disease. 'Being' non-vegan and the psychological conditioning is and hence he doesn't target them out, he targets their acts because he like mostly everyone was once a non-vegan himself and hence he knows how and what works and what doesn't work to convince people. Great job Ed. You are an idol for me.

[@FixdalOK]

While I agree with everything you said, and it was beautifully put, the implication is that carnism is a type of disease one can be affected by. Which I believe it is.

[@alcyonae]

I finally listened to it all. Ed, I truly appreciate the comfortable, nonjudgmental, respectful tone with which you approached the farmer. This is what we need, open dialogue about our differences to seek our common ground and humanity.

[@Situayo]

☝️this

[@livthedream91]

“You don’t want to lose a calf... it’s money...”. That’s the whole problem right there. This chap seemed a very decent sort, but the mind set for exploitation is fixed and impregnable.

[@livthedream91]

T Yeah but the exceptions are worth noting. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ7Cd36oq7qdrJI

[@kynchan3332]

It is amazing speaking to so many vegans because they believe the perfect world exists. If life is so sacred you may do no harm in anyway. No infrastructure of any kind, no farming of any kind, no releasing of pollutants into the air, water or ground if you even suspect it will harm anything. You must only take what nature produces. That would be as moral as you could get. Go all the way, don't compromise at all. But ordinary people live a life of practicality. If vegans want to hold the high ground don't use anything that has caused life to be lost. Think of all the infrastructure that you have inherited to use and how much harm it has caused to build or do.

[@SimplyChloe_]

@@kynchan3332 "Veganism: A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude-as far as is possible and practicable-all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose" it's not easy to stop using transport, to avoid all plastic, to never harm a life etc. it is easy to choose a plant-based burger over a meat one.

[@kynchan3332]

​@@SimplyChloe_ This is ivory tower thinking think of all the activities not just narrow scope ones. Mining is essential but virtually every month someone dies, it shows up on the reports and the wider effects of it are there is always some environmental impact that causes animal lives to to be lost as well. The oil industry is not much better. We should stop both just to feel better about ourselves. Who feels good about using anything from these industries? But so much comes from these industries. We could be one with nature if we so wished foregoing all comfort of modern life. Finding that food, work and pension in the abundance that nature provides. Take the extreme hard and fully hardcore life that does no harm and not take a single soft measure. Live away from the system that has caused so much damage. Not a single life should be harmed or die in our stead.

[@kynchan3332]

@Don't Eat Animals It is a philosophy based on feelings and comfort rather than on practicality. A vegan might well say they are prepared to die by refusing drugs that have been tested on animals but then when it concerns their child they will relent.

[@Situayo]

👏many thanks to Ryan for having this conversation and his honesty. Rarely seen a dairy farmer engaging in a dialogue with a vegan so calm and mature. We need more dialogue as farmers have to understand veganism isn't against them.

[@Clleonie]

This ! 👏👏👏👏💚

[@ryanblack9876]

Thank you!!

[@candicecrawford2996]

21:38 “people need to drop their meat consumption dramatically” -dairy farmer

[@harrovechten3828]

Meat production can easily by lowered by 50% and there still will be no shortage. But due to the Mansholt-Plan (a food variant of the Schuman-Plan, created to prevent future famine in Europe), farmers will always overproduce. There are other options in the 21st century, but it just shows that the overconsumption of meat has economic roots, and should be countered with an economic sollution. Vegan activists offer no such sollution, which is why they're so inefficient with their protests. Veganism is the future though, and it will eventually happen, but at a current rate it will still take at least 50 years.

[@user-ts2ny8jg9d]

Benjamin Feldman honestly, i don't think they believe that

[@mushy470]

@@harrovechten3828 a lot of vegans do protest to stop subsidising the animal product industries that are only hanging on because of the CAP

[@mushy470]

@Benjamin Feldman 50% of beef in the UK is from the dairy industry

[@freshairkaboom8171]

@@harrovechten3828 What data do you have to back up your claim that vegan activism is inefficient? Do you understand that veganism has grown globally by around 360% the last 4 years? That means it's officially the fastest growing lifestyle movement in the world.

[@Rhinoinasuit]

You're a champion of the Vegan cause Ed! Keep it up!

[@Rhinoinasuit]

@@traymitt That's what you took from watching the debate? That is your conclusion? Yeesh.

[@jayg1980]

Rhinoinasuit as if he watched it. It’s just another sad little kid chatting absolute shite on a vegan video as per usual.

[@cosmiccreator]

poor trolls.. they're really squirming! Hopefully most people realise that they are nothing but trolls desperately seeking attention. I have a lot of pity for them.. every day filled with angst/negativity. Best to ignore them, for our sakes and theirs.

[@Hungry.Homies]

Veganism is unsustainable and a lie. All you retarded vegans should pack it up and have a double cheeseburger

[@hypercarnivore6978]

Rhinoinasuit his boyfriend said he can’t keep it up

[@ryanseidl100]

There are nutrients in plants that we don't get from flesh no matter how much we eat and saying that you have to eat enough to maintain health is common sense and applies to every diet but it says nothing about the science of the individual diet or the foods that are given up. Like Dr. Mills said "eating these products for one specific nutrient is like smoking for oxygen"

[@Komod0_arg.8.0]

@@traymitt shows me evidence of these "many" people.

[@ryanseidl100]

T I said nothing about specific diseases I said plants contain things flesh doesn't that still stands and many people can't breakdown flesh adequately or suffer digestive upsets, everything from heartburn to colon cancer

[@Feeshgmod]

T even if they do exist, the rest of the people who can eat veg have no excuse

[@moominjean]

T there is no fibre in flesh. Hence the colon cancer is prevalent in flesh eaters

[@Blucamels]

It is the use of the word products that disturbs me, such a disconnection. We betray the trust of innocent beings, it is simply exploitation, take take take is pretty selfish, how can we humans justify this.

[@borys444]

I'm glad to c 2 ppl from opposing forces talk amongst each other. Well done gents!! Cheers...

[@Clleonie]

Really enjoyed listening to this respectful discussion between Ed and Ryan. Thank you Ryan 👏

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Thanks, Dairy Farmer. P.S. Your industry is going down. Get another job.

[@Clleonie]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 im vegan and you sound like a troll. 👋

[@dylanconnolly7175]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 hows that going for you hahahahahahahahahah

[@thewoods8372]

finally a mature talk and debate. coming from two youngens . good work ed. I look forward to your guest becoming more ethically conscious and join the movement for a peaceful world 🙏💚🌄

[@Ciaranhbennett]

38:00 so he thinks it's good for environment to be flexitarian. But to go completely vegan "wowowow that wouldbt be sustainable at all" 🤔

[@ryanblack9876]

Yes it would because flexatarian doesn't involve wiping animals away, there's a big difference.

[@CPSPD]

Ryan Black since when does going vegan mean wiping animals away lmao. As opposed to killing tens of billions of them every year?

[@MammothMorals]

@@ryanblack9876 by removing domesticated animals we can give that land back to nature and let natural species to thrive. Which is much more sustainable. Also in America bison are on the decline because of animal agriculture if America went vegan the land can go back to the bison and any slight benefit gained from cattle grazing would be full filled by the bison in a much more sustainable way.

[@phatvegan1691]

I live in Peyton Colorado, most of this land is not considered suitable for farming. Yet I have a farmer who does everything regenerative. Which means he doesn't use even organic chemicals, only compost tea and compost extract. So much for having land that cannot be vegetable farmed

[@caroona123]

Does he have a website or is there some other way of having a look? I so often come across people telling me that veganic farming means soil overexploitation and I would love to read up on farms where it does work.

[@phatvegan1691]

@@caroona123 ahavahfarm.com

[@phatvegan1691]

@Max Grassfed you should look at Elaine Ingham Phd

[@caroona123]

Thank you :)

[@22lolo]

I’ve been to a small scale dairy farm in Northern Ireland. I don’t live there, I’m from a large city in another country. I will never forget the look of fear on those cows when I said I wanted to see the cows and the owner yelled at them to stop moving so I could pet them. I said forget it and it’s fine. It was at this point I knew I was kidding myself that dairy in a small country was OK.

[@22lolo]

Έλληνας Εθνικιστής mutt? Btw... how can they know when they die? LOL. fool.

[@TigerwomanXsweden]

Poor cows...I wanna cry now.

[@carolgaribay]

Thank you for sharing. I think local farming, free range, grass fed cattle, etc., are things we tell ourselves to feel less guilty.

[@Johny40Se7en]

This is how a chat and debate should happen, both people being very understanding and respectful so you can properly just talk about important things. You definitely made Ryan think a lot about all of this. As always though, you can see how conflicted he is about a lot of this like with the way he's trying to cling on to eating animal flesh with almost every point he makes it shows how desensitised he is with what happens on those dairy farms and believes that there's such a thing as "Humane" slaughter. The way he talks about the speciesism is just so widespread because of the media brainwashing people to love dogs and cats and just eat everything else, unless it's Asia, where they even eat dogs aswell. It gives people that consume animal products such a disconnect, I'm living with one that's this shut off, my Dad, and it's aggravating because deep down he loves animals. I asked my Dad a while ago how would he feel if he was out somewhere and some cruel knob head was just punching a pig or a cow in the face, I asked if he'd try and do something to stop it, he said it would make him really uncomfortable and he probably would try and help the cow or pig... but he still eats dead pig and dead cow stuff. Just doesn't see it and when I try and start talking about it with him now he just shuts off. You've given him so much positive information but I'm still not sure if he's that open to it. It's a lot of conditioning to get through even though he's very young. Around the 57:00 minute mark it was a bit odd to hear you use that euphemism with him, the abattoir, instead of slaughter house. That vertical farming sounds awesome, that's the way to go. Brilliant podcast, and Greggs' vegan sausage rolls are bloody lush =)

[@petermegarity6267]

Johny40Se7en your comment is too long no one is going to read it FYI

[@Johny40Se7en]

@@petermegarity6267 Hahaaa oops, I do that sometimes. Doesn't take long to type it as I'm thinking but I should be more considerate because I'm a slow reader, I can't be the only one =P

[@ytreece]

I’m not a vegan or vegetarian and I read your comment. I think asking society in general to make a huge dietary and lifestyle change suddenly is never going to happen. Food culture and cooking is a huge deal for many, as is just the issue of affordability of nutrient dense foods. As far as your dad goes, many people, like myself, do feel an animal can be humanely killed for meat. If I’m hunting and shoot a deer, elk, or antelope for food, I make a clean kill and that’s it for the animal. I practice my marksmanship and I have not failed to make a clean kill once. I am adamantly opposed to animal cruelty. Because of where I live and the choices available to me I’m able to eat plant products that are responsibly farmed, and obtain my meat from what I consider to be ethical sources. Your dad would likely feel the same.

[@chefkoch870]

I cringed every time he said meat and milk have nutritional value and health benefits...

[@chefkoch870]

Southy The Cons certainly outweigh the benefits and i thought it was funny how he was talking about meat and dairy like if it was an apple 🍏

[@HiddenStr3ngth]

@Southy Seems like a personal belief to me. Just making statements disregarding science. Scratch that, i see you are trolling on other comments hueh Makes sense

[@darijanjamak2632]

HiddenStrength you cant deny meat has health benefits, it also has things that are detrimental to health. There is much worse foods for you than eating meat thats why people like Ed will firstly argue from and ethical position.

[@cynicalidealist11]

Same. It's like carnists only want to look at the few good aspects whilst completely ignoring anything that isn't in accordance with their preset beliefs. Vegan/mortality - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4191896/ Vegan/mortaliy - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26853923 Vegan/BMI/type 2 diabetes - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2671114/ Vegan/cancer - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929 Vegan/cancer - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279082 Vegan/diabetes - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30223451 Vegan/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3701293/ Vegan/deficiency - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4081456/ Plant protein/diabetes - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4690061/#__ffn_sectitle Diabetes/vegan - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677007/ BMI/vegan/cholesterol - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380896/ Vegan/LDL/inflammation - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18348715 Vegan/obesity - academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/81/6/1267/4648730 Meat/obesity - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592131 Diabetes/vegan - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873779 Vegan/fat loss - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25592014 Vegan/protein - www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.cir.0000018905.97677.1f Animal vs plant protein/mortality - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5048552/ Testosterone/vegan/IGF1 - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf Vegan/type 2 diabetes - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914 Fat loss/vegan - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17890496 LDL/vegan - annals.org/aim/article-abstract/718369/effect-plant-based-diet-plasma-lipids-hypercholesterolemic-adults-randomized-trial IGF1/vegan vs non vegan - cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/11/11/1441 IGF1/breast cancer - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20472501 Estrogen/Vegan vs non vegan - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7144835 Veg vs non veg - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15824171 WHO/processed meat/red meat - www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2015/pdfs/pr240_E.pdf Red meat - academic.oup.com/aje/article/179/3/282/103471 Meat/cancer - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24395380/ Meat/diabetes - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19662376/ Fiber - www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)31809-9/fulltext Red meat/mortality - jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1134845 Meat/stroke - www.nature.com/articles/ejcn2012180 Cholesterol/saturated fat - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9006469 Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20351774/ Saturated fat/CVD - www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0939475317302375 Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19211817 Cholesterol/saturated fat/LDL - www.onlinejacc.org/content/70/24/2979 Cholesterol/saturated fat - citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549.6029&rep=rep1&type=pdf Athersclerosis/cholesterol/LDL - www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.cir.0000103664.47406.49 Baseline/cholesterol - www.onlinejacc.org/content/accj/43/11/2142.full.pdf LDL/Atherosclerosis - academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/38/32/2459/3745109 Saturated fat/CVD - www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000510 Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC30550/ Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118617 Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4334131/ Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27224282 Saturated fat/LDL - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095759/ Zero correlations/cholesterol - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/313701 PCSK9/LDL/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16554528 Vegan/reverse heart disease - dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf Heart disease lessons -www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/ Saturated fat/inflammation - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19828712 LDL/CVD - www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.118.034273 holesterol/LDL oxidation - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10704618 Saturated fat/inflammation - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904539 Genetic LDL/mortality - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25855712 Saturated fat/testosterone - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2392062 Eggs/LDL - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11333841 Saturated fat/obesity/inflammation - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19828712 Eggs/LDL - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9001684 Eggs/LDL - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10704618 Lipotoxicity/satuarted fat/trans fats - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23509418 Saturated fat - www.bmj.com/content/355/bmj.i5796 Inflammation/fat - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9036757 France/Finland/CVD - www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.CIR.88.6.2771 Reverse causation - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25855712 Cholesterol/cancer - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21543628 Cholesterol/cancer - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649888 Heme iron/inflammation - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4035012/ Heme iron/heart disease - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23708150 Heme iron/cancer - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24243555 Heme iron/type 2 diabetes - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23046549 Dairy/prostate cancer - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15203374 Children/dairy/prostate cancer - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3249408/pdf/kwr289.pdf Dairy/fruit/prostate cancer - cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/canres/58/3/442.full.pdf Dairy/estrogen - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976 Dairy/prostate cancer - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25527754/ Dairy/testicular cancer - onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/ijc.11327 Dairy/prostate cancer - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11566656 Dairy/cancers - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25314053 Dairy/acne - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29778512 Dairy/ance - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30096883 Dairy/parkinsons - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24894826 Dairy/parkinsons - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12447934 Dairy/mortality - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25352269 Dairy/constipation - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23429756

[@Mufuchi]

Nils Reichhart Meat and dairy has vitamins A, K2, D3, E, B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B12, Minerals Zinc, Copper, Iron, Calcium, essential amino and fatty acids. What does an apple have? Vitamin C and sugar....

[@candicecrawford2996]

Grass does NOT take 2 years to decompose. And not all vegans eat avocados. Permaculture can be vegan, too. We don’t have to exploit animals to have honey bees. This poor lad. So close yet so far away.

[@ryanblack9876]

Grass does without any herbivores to graze it it will turn to absolute dormant out reaching the stages of grass growth and withering away, veganism will definetely cause a reduction in honey bees these dormant grass lands covered in overgrown weeds no room for flowers the extreme use of chemicals on crops to ensure eniugh to fee the population

[@petermegarity6267]

Yea fuck up and read a book

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Ryan Black Dairy is going down and nothing you can say will stop that fact. If you were as smart as you think you are, you'd be out looking for another job. Humans drinking milk from cows is insane, stupid and will soon be completely replaced by plant-based. Wise up.

[@ryanblack9876]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 ill prove you wrong the dairy interest is doing quite well at the moment and it's about to get even bigger with new products like keifer take your nut "milks" somewhere else they shouldn't even be called milk the UK needs to take the steps France did.

[@newskin9234]

@@cerseilannister9685 I'm not a fan of veganism either, but bro, what in the everling fuck... lmao. Slow down with your conspiracies.

[@LouisGedo]

*A VEGAN WORLD........it's happening!*

[@TheZeusIsHere1]

FALDCNET

[@Kingpenguin94]

Dairy cows in Ireland have increased from 1 million to 1.4 million in the last 3 1/2 years

[@LouisGedo]

@@Kingpenguin94 Plant based milk consumption globally has increased exponentially in the past few years.

[@LouisGedo]

@Southy And yet, even if that were true, plant based eating has grown significantly in major markets such as the US, England, and Israel. A VEGANism......it's unstoppable.

[@lloydchristmas4547]

@Southy and your points are destroying health, animals, and the environment to "sustain" seven billion people in the most inefficient way.

[@RadishinTrouble]

Exploitation is still exploitation whether it is more or less.

[@liamdonaldson1120]

And brexit means brexit hummus boy.

[@RadishinTrouble]

Liam Donaldson That’s a cute comment son. Don’t see the relevance to exploiting animals tho.

[@liamdonaldson1120]

Well then I pity you. Its clearly you whom has been exploited and deprived of a sufficient education

[@RadishinTrouble]

Are you trying to say that because of brexit it’s ok to exploit non-human animals? Carnist excuses are getting quite ridiculous. Whatever to help you sleep at night, right?

[@liamdonaldson1120]

@@RadishinTrouble your knees must be sore from jumping to conclusions. Take off the twat hat and face facts. I used to be a vegan but Ryan convinced me to follow the ways of the meat gods and their succulent of pork, bacon, and ribs. If you can't accept meat is the future you can McFuckoff

[@alcyonae]

He seems like a nice chap. Glad he was honest about their practices and how he felt about them. Hopefully this conversation will sink in with him sooner or later and he’ll realize animal products are unnecessary and cruel.

[@Hungry.Homies]

An Arber brain dead idiot

[@graceh-gx4qg]

Cian Mcdonnell don’t be so hard on yourself.

[@petermegarity6267]

graceh2973 grow up would you

[@cerseilannister9685]

Peter Megarity you grow up veganism is starvation

[@alcyonae]

Touka Krishima starvation is little to no calorie intake, regardless of source. You won’t believe how fast calories add up with grains and beans.

[@chloejane3387]

The level of respect in this conversation is such a breath of fresh air. Neither one interrupted each other or let their emotions get the better of them. Need more of this!

[@ModernVegan]

Way to go Ed! Great production quality as well. Keep up your amazing work!

[@YoNorton]

This young farmer/student (he’s 17 years old at the time of this podcast filming) is mature beyond his years. He handled himself beautifully. The host was diplomatic, and both were respectful of each other’s point of view. Refreshing. One point young Mr. Black made is that extremes on either side are likely not the answer, but rather moderation, and cooperation are ways forward to ensuring a healthy future while decreasing our reliance on animal products.

[@freshairkaboom8171]

Moderation is key is only true for non-ethical issues though. You don't advocate for moderation in rape, do you?

[@darraghgormley2205]

@@freshairkaboom8171 mate if you knew a thing about cows is that if a cow is stressed when it's getting pregnant it doesn't get pregnant so if it has calf in 9 months it is not rape

[@freshairkaboom8171]

@@darraghgormley2205 And boom, you just created a window in which it's okay to rape human children. Are you proud of yourself? Everyone's morals always goes out the windows the moment they start talking about animal rights, it's really sad to see.

[@erin-eh2sl]

@@darraghgormley2205 rape means non consensual sex. it doesn't mean sex while someone is stressed. the cow cannot consent as it can not speak

[@darraghgormley2205]

@@erin-eh2sl yes but a cow will not take a calf if she is stressed

[@mirrenclark4420]

Your changing the world Ed! I'm seriously thinking of making a KZbin channel using the information you have passed on and just genuinely helping people make the transition. You might not see this message but incase you do thank you for everything you do. I will keep spreading the message as much as I can ✌🌱

[@seanbrady5026]

Mirren Clark 🙄🙄

[@manontazelaar4083]

Keep on going, Ed! I am constantly amazed by the way you are handling these debates.

[@Peter-200]

What are you on about lol the wee cub owned him

[@carolynormsby]

Wow, I'm new to veganism, but I must say that this interview covered all of the bases on dairy. I really appreciate Ryan's point of view and the way that he handled his questions and responses. I wish that more dairy farmers were like him.

[@donaldanderson6578]

51:00 As a vegan, this right there is one of the many reasons why I like Ed.

[@sophiel6670]

Ed’s debates are just great . His points cannot be faulted and he makes his points in such a calm and collected manner. Amazing.

[@laracroft1676]

This young farmer stated that animals farming in not really profitable and often upsetting So Why they still doing it....?

[@stellahill5162]

Lara Croft because they were brought up with it and they love it despite the bad things. Farmers do care!

[@beartechdeck]

Cuz animal products taste great and vegan alternatives are disgusting. At least in my opinion.

[@abominablesnowman3494]

Without subsidies it hands down wouldn't be profitable. They do it cos the world demands cheese and cream.

[@nath113]

Retail demand and the people’s demand... if everyone stopped consuming/using dairy and meat tomorrow the demand would be non existent therefore stopping the production of it but that will never happen, Rome wasn’t built in a day, it has to be a step by step process. If you think about the farmers the majority have come from generations of farmers it’s not just going to be that easy to educate and change their perspective and way of making a living if it’s the only thing they’ve known. Humans evolve, history proves that so hopefully we will continue to evolve and learn and adapt.

[@AM-tb4fn]

@@beartechdeck ur tastebuds shouldn't be the excuse to take someone's life

[@bryceandrewmusicofficial]

"I believe milk is very nutritious and everything else" Nutrition is not a belief! Cows milk is not nutritious for humans, unless you're a baby cow you are not going to benefit from the milk of a mother cow. You have no right to take away a baby from their mother and steal the milk for yourself, you're not a cow, it's not yours and it's not your body.

[@yingyang1008]

Cow milk keeps all kinds of nursing animals alive just fine

[@ryanblack9876]

Milk has helped me to grow and I'm stoll perfectly healthy it has had no adverse affects on myself or. My family

[@petermegarity6267]

Stick to music veggie boy

[@tColorsinspacerecordings]

Ryan Black not yet

[@ryanblack9876]

@@tColorsinspacerecordings it never will.

[@jonbollinger7401]

I love how calm this debate is. Hopefully he’ll take some of these things to heart and change his ways! Fingers crossed 🤞

[@sounanya3]

amazing how he believes you need animal products to be healthy in spite of not only having a years-long healthy vegan in front of him, but also with decades-long healthy vegans out there.. not even gonna mention the adventist study! but props to him for having the guts for this debate!

[@Hungry.Homies]

Satsuma how will the working class sustain a more expensive vegan diet?

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Props to him? He's being used by his dairy farmer pals as PR to make the sickening industry look wholesome and normal.

[@sounanya3]

@@Hungry.Homies it's cheaper, but you won't believe it anyway

[@sounanya3]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 but he must have been aware that he won't really stand a chance against Ed

[@dogwklr]

Ed is a limp wristed pussy who spends all day talking about how physical labour should be done. Being vegan and doing nothing all the time allows people to live that way, theres no demand on the body. Having little muscle mass isnt healthy 🙄🙄

[@lillyfannyczita6538]

I love how Ed states facts and he's just like yeah i don't really agree

[@corsicanlulu]

ur pretty much the perfect vegan or close to it. very aspirational

[@judelynam5433]

corsican lulu there is no perfect vegan

[@judelynam5433]

And I have no aspirations here, so looks like you are on your own sunshine

[@bennybookvarm]

Nice contradiction in terms there😂

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture6080]

@@judelynam5433 only some1 who cimmits suicide and/or kills all life on erth is the perfect vegan, because he ended all the suffering

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture6080]

@@bennybookvarm lol troo butt sad

[@goodnatureart]

Ed- found you on Rich Roll's podcast. Way to go asking questions and staying clear about life.

[@violagirl6132]

Ryan is a great lad and what a brave guy for going to talk with Ed. Brilliant conversation. Very enlightening.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Gotta love those animal exploiters and abusers who come off looking and sounding normal. Kinda like psychopaths.

[@violagirl6132]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 actually I'm a vegan. I can't stand what happens to animals and I had to decide I could no longer eat anything that is connected with the cruelty that animals suffer. But I feel, having had relatives of mine in the farming industry, that the best way forward is to have conversations in a bid to create understanding.

[@heleen313]

Great podcast Ed, I enjoyed listening very much. Great example of respectful conversation. I also liked that you guys were visible in person as opposed to just audio last time with Mark. But maybe Mark did not want his face on video. Looking forward to your next podcast!

[@daveclark3337]

What I like about Ed is he doesn’t try to make people look stupid .. he has grown up conversations .. so many would have thought ah fresh faced 17 year old kid .. lets make this guy look stupid for my own cause .. ed doesn’t do that ... if only politics was like that !!

[@ketchupcl0wn]

It might be weird to recommend but you should react(maybe on live stream) to an episode of "yakusoku neverland" or "the promised neverland" (english title). This is the synopsis: Surrounded by a forest and a gated entrance, the Grace Field House is inhabited by orphans happily living together as one big family, looked after by their "Mama," Isabella. Although they are required to take tests daily, the children are free to spend their time as they see fit, usually playing outside, as long as they do not venture too far from the orphanage-a rule they are expected to follow no matter what. However, all good times must come to an end, as every few months, a child is adopted and sent to live with their new family... never to be heard from again. However, the three oldest siblings have their suspicions about what is actually happening at the orphanage, and they are about to discover the cruel fate that awaits the children living at Grace Field, including the twisted nature of their beloved Mama. Spoiler: Well, the kids are basically high quality cattle. It think it does show that even with best care and conditions, killing is still a bad thing. Even if these are kids, everybody knows that sentient beings don't want to be killed and trying to let's say make killing as humane as possible, there is still death involved. I think it is very fitting that the word humane has a definition that ultimately describes veganism: Acting in a manner that causes the least harm to people or animals. Even though we do it for the animals because they have no voice, I am concerned for both sides. I wish every living being on this world a fullfilled and healthy life. To me we are the same. Living, breathing, feeling and wanting to enjoy our time we have on this earth.

[@amydebuitleir]

What a rare gem: a thoughtful, non-confrontational discussion between two people of opposing views. The world could do with a lot more of this type of discussion.

[@noellecuisine8912]

Thank you both so much for the wonderful capacity to speak and connect together that you have shared !

[@isabellezablocki7447]

Amazing conversation. This young farmer does not feel threatened by Ed. Hopefully he will allow his conscience to appreciate animals more to the point he does not want to send them to their death or separate the babies from the mothers. We have seen it with a pig farmer in the documentary The last pig.

[@bernadettedevereux4489]

Farmhand,not farmer

[@AlbuquerqueBandit]

Thanks for the indirect recommendation. I'm gonna check that out EDIT: Nevermind. The cheapest copy us $75

[@CeyElizabeth]

Team Ed forever !!

[@reido3955]

Get yourself a burger not a veggie burger a burger it will definitely change your mind

[@lizharvey9729]

2KStreet don't give up the day job

[@lilvegan]

@@reido3955 you should try the impossible burger

[@CeyElizabeth]

@@reido3955 I used to have chicken burgers, then I had a veggie burger and it changed my mind 😊

[@Hungry.Homies]

Team raz!!!!! Yaaaaaa

[@ruthhuges3936]

Love Ed and his work... An exceptional human being...

[@gretayb8680]

Love his questions and points. And love it when people can debate like this. Both so polite. Love it. We need more if this in the world

[@shaneosullivan4676]

I live in Ireland what the lad here said about hedgerows and meadow maintenance is half true. In my parish the farmers pump water from the river, there is far more grazed land than meadows, they have also being decreasing due to construction of more homes in the countryside. Plus the uplands keep getting burned with gorse fires which tend to get out of control often. We basically have a larger percentage of unnatural grazed farmland than natural meadows especially down here in Co. Kerry. Hedgerows are being cut during nesting season by the local council.

[@jonjonwp]

He might be calm, non abusive to Ed but when you get to the nitty gritty he condones animal cruelty which he has no problem with. Animals are products to be used in his eyes.

[@jjbenna]

He sounds like Gaga saying she wears fur but not skinned fur.

[@dorian2112]

must mean "humane" or "free range" fur, it matters right? ;)

[@petermegarity6267]

No it’s Just completely different and you have hunter in your name you utter spastic

[@CPSPD]

Peter Megarity we hunt whiteys. You’re up next

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture6080]

WHATS THE PROBLEM WITH FUR if clothes are made from plants, which are also alive?

[@user-ts2ny8jg9d]

Jayk this is stupidity on another level

[@flyswapple]

Hi Ed, I’m a 60 years young and just turned vegan-vegetarian last year. I love all your videos. I just can’t support the cruelty of the slaughter house. I have been buying meat from my local butcher for husband consumption. What’s your suggestions on this? TY for all you do!

[@jameslangley5724]

This is phenomenal - open and honest discourse where people listen to other points of view is absolutely essential as Ed says, shouting over one another is never going to change anyone's mind and is only going to polarise people further, it's paramount to seek out information that disagrees with your beliefs - if I hadn't done that I'd still be consuming animal products. Conversations like this give me hope for humanity

[@franebaric7274]

Really respectful, peaceful form of conversation to move things forward in a intelligent, educational way. Ryan is a good lad. Great job.

[@ZeonGenesis]

Lovely to see camera this time, makes it a lot easier to concentrate! Ed is artful at dancing around the defense walls and cognitive dissonance and ignorance of carnists without offending and pushing them in the wrong direction. Too bad the intensity of this young guy's cultural indoctrination presents a huge barrier to absorbing the politically suppressed science on a plant based diet, for health and environment both. He said he'd change if he had concrete proof; well, it exists.

[@mayflower2158]

They were both very respectful. I like this.

[@soulofnature6126]

Thanks you ed I will watch this back for educational purposes and just to soak up your calmness I feel calmness is very important and activism thanks a lot brother

[@Asis2]

Ed, I have followed you for years and you helped me so much, I changed my life thanks to you and I try to help others around me to see, feel and listen. You're my hero and I admire you above any other activist, I'd love to be able to find your speeches, podcasts, videos and talks translated to Spanish. I need to share them with all my family and friends. Help me. Please enhance your reach and get someone to translate your work. Pleaseeeee

[@estherjimenezinigo]

Yes please! 🇪🇸

[@kenevil23]

The most reasonable, balanced and respectful debate I have ever watched from the two opposite ends of the vegan vs carnist debate. I wish everyone was able to debate this emotive issue as reasonably.

[@FountainBeee]

A really calm discussion. Thank you for sharing

[@ryanseidl100]

Not only are there ways to improve soil conditions but we can grow on top of the ground using hydroponics. Also people are reversing desertification with crops. Lots of good things happening

[@susie5668]

I never liked meat but now im vegan thanks to you Ed 💕

[@NanocDark99]

Huh?

[@gracegiordano4583]

This is such a respectful discussion!! I love this

[@primordialprana]

Love the mutual respect!

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

ummmm Just wish the farmer would show the animals the same respect. Right?

[@markjackson4045]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 farmers do give animals respect

[@mushy470]

@@markjackson4045 there's no respect

[@donnamuir7937]

What a fantastic podcast. I love Ed's activism style, so calm and composed with lots of facts and thought provoking questions. The farmer was really honest and it's refreshing to hear, instead of just dodging questions and getting angry.

[@ryanblack9876]

Thank you!

[@maylightbewithyou]

I love how respectful they are with eachother

[@ezquerzelaya]

He was a nice guy, confused about data. I like the way that Ed approached the talk. Some vegans tend to be too belligerent in similar situations, and it doesn't help much

[@c.t8958]

I appreciate the way you conduct yourself. Although you don't agree with people you are respectful and tolerant. Good on you.

[@eugenetswong]

Ed, thank you for respecting your guests. A lot of your guests look like genuinely nice people.

[@jonjonwp]

He's intelligent but been de sensitised .

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture6080]

vegans are also desensitized to the word of G-d and HUMAN isssues LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[@jonjonwp]

@@dontreadmyprofilepicture6080 Really? I thought vegans were more compassionate people. Never met any who weren't. Can't comment on gods, i don't believe in imaginary beings.

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture6080]

@@jonjonwp you thought that? wow I guess you've never met a vegan, or seen peta protest in front of human stores, taking away human business, or calling young children on the street murderers for eating chicken, or blocking traffic in the supermarket, or disrupting humans trying to enjoy a happy meal, you call that compassionate? and where did you hear the word "gods"? I said "G-d" lol, that is competely different, a totally different word, not even the same remotely similar meaning, where did you get the word "gods" from?

[@jonjonwp]

@@dontreadmyprofilepicture6080 Obviously i thought that as the word you put up has no meaning for me. Can you provide the link to where Peta called children murderers? I fully support direct action to show people the cruelty they support

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture6080]

@@jonjonwp heres that link kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHzXpop8jZeoe7M ok and I guess we need to explai what "G-d" with a capital G (NOT lowercase g and with an s at the end) means it means the primary existence -- that is all. not some human in the sky, not some angelic being, not some imaginary friend, not a genie, not any kind of being with a form -- it is literally EXISTENCE, everything that exists, plants, animals, rocks, people, stars, space, thoughts, all time, past, present, future, everything exists from the one true existence, known as "G-d" (with a capital G), when people talk about gods" with a lower case g and with an s at the end, they usually think of some kind of superman or angelic being or genie or spirit or something, that's not what G-d with an uppercase G means, it means, like we said, just EXISTENCE, so to deny G-d would be to deny all of existence, including one's own denial, which wouldnt make sense anyway, you say u support action (aka violence / protests / blocking business) to suppor tthe cause YOU believe in, but the problem is that is exactly how the nazis thought, and the communists, when humans start making up their OWN ideas of right and wrong and enforcing them, they can justify anyhting at all, according to the vegan mentality, all humans are evil if they cause continuous harm to animals, its very possible that the next vegan move, instead of stealing property and yelling at children telling them they are murderers, as well as some PETA activists causing fires to animal testing labs etc would probably be taking lives of meat eaters with weaponry, this could EASILY turn into another civil war, just like what JUST happened in seattle, just like what happened in nazi germany, communist russia, when people start making up their own ideas and opinions of what is right and what is wrong, and then enforcing it, the most dangerous things could happen

[@summerlauren1051]

In America alone 94 million heads of cattle were inventoried in 2018, that is nearly a third of the human population in the U.S., and about 30 million more than the number of people in the UK! Cattle across this nation alone are producing somewhere around 24 billion gallons of greenhouse gasses per day and this includes methane, which is over 20 times more potent than CO2. Also, soil isn't the only medium you can grow plants in, consider hydroponics :) and also consider how many more avocados for example you can ship as opposed to pounds of meat, and most of the meat you'll buy at supermarket is not local either. Not to mention the freezing and refrigeration that meat and dairy require- which consumes a ton of energy. So I don't think that "shipping the produce tho" is a great argument. Even if it were that's not a vegan caused issue as most people who eat meat consume these fruits and veggies as well. I'm loving this podcast. Start a garden guys! I think urban gardening especially is one of the best things we can do for ourselves and the environment! Imagine how well we could eat if every house with the ability in our neighborhoods grew their own fruits and veggies and shared with others! :) I think we have so much more power than we realize friends

[@hh-hq8ns]

i didnt watch the whole debate but i live in ireland and dairy farms are big. and cows that are bred are normally sold to other countries to be in beef factory farms. even if they aren't killing it themselves. their getting money from their death. (that doesn't even include the immoral use of dairy)

[@peterrayboud]

Beautifully crafted conversation between two fundamentally opposing views held with respect for each other as human beings, it is honesty refreshing to witness a grown up and civilized debate about the subject and also exploring other issues and topics where they are able to find some common ground; which i believe is the bedrock of any debate where progress can be made by both parties. Well done to both of you for helping people to hear both sides of an argument and enabling us to draw our own conclusions based on informed arguments 🙏🙏🙏

[@masonshawver7280]

Thank you for this video, Ed. I really enjoyed watching your conversation. I am very pleased with the tone of the dialogue. It is far too often that disagreements take an uncomfortable turn or maybe even grow aggressive, which is really a shame. We all deserve to be respected and treated with the kindness that we preach about for human rights and, for some of us, extend to animal rights. Though, I don't think any minds where changed here, I do think this video demonstrates how to hold a proper conversation on very sensitive topics regarding differences in belief, lifestyle and information. After all, we are all in this together and we musn't forget that despite our differences.

[@WhollyWill]

Brilliant debate. Well done Ed and Ryan.

[@missvemasters4932]

Unfortunately for Ryan, you cannot ensure that every animal product, the animal involved has come from a loving happy farm. Enjoyed the conversation, well done on both parts.

[@ytreece]

As an individual you can, especially if you have financial resources. As a society we cannot.

[@superbigblack]

Couldn't those vertical farm buildings have a water catching system on the roof? If we needed to eat meat humans would've died off before they realized meat was the solution. because according to meat eaters we were stupid before we are meat and meat is necessary. My question is how did we survive long enough to get smart enough to know meat was the answer before we started eating meat and getting all that good cholesterol?

[@bobandmes]

Natural selection... the ones who learned to hunt and eat meat survived

[@swanny6627]

I just love how well and polite this debate/discussion is handled by both of these men. Brilliant

[@wogierp6348]

Such a mature way to converse on a hotly disputed topic, thoroughly enjoyed

[@jjbenna]

We need animal cholesterol? Is he being paid by big pharma?

[@tamcon72]

No, it's the latest meater meme. Everything that is conclusively bad about animal products must be remade into something totally beneficial, or their arguments fall apart.

[@Avenger222]

I think it's just a case of "having some Cholesterol is good for you!" without realizing that we, as humans, make all the cholesterol we need. And, if we're low due to some rare genetic disease, that we can just adjust our diet to include foods to help our natural production / ability with Nuts , Avocados, and Healthy oils.

[@cynicalidealist11]

I actually laughed out loud when he said that.

[@Avenger222]

@@traymitt That's because Cholesterol is complicated. People don't realize there's good Cholesterol (HDL) and bad Cholesterol (LDL) and people tend to just lump them together. When people are freaking out about Cholesterol, they're almost always referring to the bad Cholesterol, LDL. LDL increases your risk of heart disease and stroke, so it makes sense that people would be worried about it.

[@yingyang1008]

@@tamcon72 Breast milk is dangerous?

[@Militant_Vegan]

8:03 “We don’t kill any of our bull calves we just run them on for beef” oh ok at least they don’t kill them lol

[@AJ-tg1mf]

“How will we feed all the people on plants?” .......... with the plants you would’ve otherwise fed to the cows/sheep/pigs? 🤔

[@stellahill5162]

AJ but the cows don’t just disappear we still need to feed them!

[@esperanzamontford2765]

@@stellahill5162 so we should stop breeding them into existence :)

[@marley7659]

@@stellahill5162 yeah. We use AI for most methods of reproduction on farms since its cheaper to buy semen than it is to house a male animals or male animals. Sorry I used the term "we". I don't pay for that stuff nor do I support it. You should watch AI for Dairy farms. Tell me what you think about it.kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGfJiqyuqMSfeqc

[@veggiesavvy]

So grateful for you Ed. No words to express my appreciation for everything you do for the animals. Thank you!

[@rubyporter7958]

He didn't change this guy's mind nor any of the other people he's spoke to. He's doing nothing but be a condescending snowflake.

[@dannyrayswisher9764]

This is a wonderful conversation. This is how the world is changed. Not being aware of interpersonal communications much beyond my own country's borders, we could learn a lot in the U.S. about how to constructively discuss contentious topics from this video.