Debating Female Pro-Ab0rtion College Students

Russell Hunter had an extended conversation with two pro-ab0r+s at Oklahoma State University.
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[@Renewed85]

"abortion isn't choosing not to have a child, it's terminating the child that you have."

[@Wolf88888]

Exactly! Abortion is refusing to acknowledge the reality of a child as a way to rationalize its murder.

[@Sensorama2000]

Try that with slavery... I'm not a slave owner I just chose to have somebody to work for me against his will...

[@bryanhawkins9418]

Right. It's like saying "I'm simply choosing to no longer live." "So you're committing suicide??" "No, I'm simply choosing not to continue in life, are you gonna make me live when I no longer want to?" There's no such thing as simply choosing to no longer live, its suicide. Just like there's no such thing as simply choosing to not have a child once you're already pregnant, it's murder.

[@bloodbarage]

“I was 16 and got pregnant, blah blah blah.” I really start to get sick of people who don’t want to take responsibility for their actions…. My mom had me at 16 and I’m an engineer. She wasn’t always there but I always had a room over my head. I made it out and I am successful. Just do the right thing and you will succeed.

[@jimsab2335]

Well said. Congratulations on your success and happy you're here!

[@JeWCyDuDe]

One of the most interesting and correct things this man said was that G-d will forgive. He is correct!!! Hashem will!! He just requires repentance. Nothing more.!!

[@abigailcanon6188]

My parents were both drug dealers and the first house we lived in when I was born had dirt floors, I can definitely say without a doubt that both me and my parents are both very happy that I'm alive today

[@ajolleyduck2933]

It's so obvious how miserable these people are. They can't see the value of their own life.... so how does an unborn baby have value? To them they wish someone would have snuffed them out of the womb. I think.

[@flowersinherhair]

Give your mom a hug.

[@SuitAndTieGuy88]

I grew up in a housing project unloved, abused and homeless on and off. It's insane to me that people think i would have been better off dead because my childhood would be rough. Shouldnt that be my choice?

[@AC-gy9fv]

Yes that is the argument. You and all humans have the right to life period. Praise Jesus that your mother made the right decision. I've had a rough life too but it is far better than no life.

[@SuitAndTieGuy88]

@@AC-gy9fv God bless 🤗

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

insane? How about it is bigotry in the clearest form

[@dontaskdonttell_]

Exactly. They tell you you’re not valuable by saying the “potential baby” would be better off dead before it’s even born than to live a life like you and I did.

[@AC-gy9fv]

@SuitAndTieGuy88 I think suffering makes us stronger. Most of us never want to make someone feel hopeless, like we did at certain points in time, that also makes us better for it.

[@uke7084]

That "Christian" brunette really came in with the argument "I did it when I was 16 so everyone should be able to" like what? Girl, repent.

[@sidwhiting665]

Sadly, there are many "Christian" girls like her who do the same. Loudly and proudly, they champion murdering their children. I just have to wonder how many of them honestly have a relationship with Christ. Christ can forgive any sin except blasphemy against the holy spirit. I'm afraid that many of them tip toe on the line of this when refusing to repent and hold onto what his word so clearly condemns. If they do so out of ignorance, that is one thing. But if they know the Word and stubbornly refuse to repent... I don't know how God's going to handle that. I'm sure there are some sins I hold onto in ignorance. I would like to think there are none that I stubbornly hold onto out of defiance of God's Word, which is why I read the Bible frequently to learn his Will in case I have hardened my heart in some way.

[@mikhailyaremkiv]

She was bad news from the second she showed up.

[@EthanMallonee]

Girl showed up and said "aren't we all god?" - right after Russell started really getting to a conversation about the Bible. I've never said this before, but that's demonic timing for certain

[@antoniobrown6210]

what minute did she say that?

[@shauntiey]

​@@EthanMallonee 😂😂😂😂😂lol

[@samanthashannon221]

This girl is standing here spiritually hungry and wounded. This is where the minstry of the Holy Spirit is needed. You can see her hunger by how long she stood there and the openness she had until her trauma was brought up. I love these guys. So im praying for their discernment and a demonstration of power to be brought everywhere they go so people may be set free and saved.

[@Naomi_OB]

This is phenomenal. Trying to watch as much as possible, to learn how to skillfully have these conversations. Praying and need to 5alk to my pastor about getting involved. Thank you for all you do.

[@ZekeMagnar]

Look into Lila Rose and Trent Horn.

[@imgiratina4083]

@@ZekeMagnar Yes! I love this guy & Lila Rose so much especially for how well they speak, ill check out trent horn too

[@ZekeMagnar]

@@imgiratina4083 Kristan Hawkins from Students For Life is another great option if you’re interested.

[@thewizardsofthezoo5376]

I wish I had that kind of patience, but I am a grumpy old bastard and old school, people waving their hands under my nose while asserting their demonic "axioms" never ends up well, so I prefer to stay put. I am more Jesus in Temple than Jesus in the Desert, make no mistake some are actually possessed and could use a good shock therapy, for their own good. I know we should not answer with wickedness to wickedness, but I am talking about a good honest rod, and for honest reasons, the merchants in the temple were just Saints compared to what is going on today in and out of churches. In this case I would actually have to stay above their own threshold because I don't want to murder anyone, but I can't think of a worst murder, more cowardly, than the one of an innocent with a full potential for a wholesome life. That's why sometimes at a good caning might chase out some of those evil cowardly spirits, without murdering anyone, while they happily do.

[@benygames7399]

there is no secret to being able to hold conversations just speak and lets the cogs turn pretty easy that like saying you need to learn how to learn

[@balla2828]

The comparison to child sacrifice is awakening. Awe inspiring remark.

[@JanieBee]

The Lord told the Israelites not to pass their children through the fire and sacrifice them to Molech in Exodus

[@RS54321]

It is child sacrifice.

[@mike971000]

Yeah it's not even a comparison it literally is sacrificing a child so they can be free from Parenthood and continue doing whatever they want partying having Reckless unprotected sex and all that

[@rapecel]

Barbarism of the ancient world; its disgusting continuation is an affront to all that is holy.

[@Joscope]

Its true

[@DUDUmr69]

I always said if my partner gets pregnant we’re getting an abortion. One day i came from work seeing her drenched in tears and i told her whats wrong? She said she’s pregnant. I said fuck (was kinda in shock), i guess we’re having a baby then and hugged her. Till 27 i always said abortion 100%, i wont be able to do it. In that moment having an abortion didnt even cross my mind. I just knew it wasnt the right thing to do. Fast forward 21 months, he’s 1, healthy and soo cute. It is very hard and life literally changes from day 1 when being born but i couldnt imagine my life without him.

[@hunterkarr5618]

You’re a good man, Ryan. God bless you in your journey 👍

[@patrickmccarthy7877]

Get married and make it work.

[@justinesneddongutierrez5243]

Definition of CONCEIVE and examples of the word used in sentences: To receive into the womb, and breed; to begin the formation of the embryo or fetus of animal. Then shall she be free and conceive seed. Num 5. Heb 11. Elisabeth hath conceived a son in her old age. Luke 1. In sin did my mother conceive me. Psa 51. Sources: dictionary and The Holy King James Bible

[@joe3USA]

Congratulations Dad, May God Bless You. Please raise that little boy the right way. We as Father's have Serious Responsibilities.

[@ArqCaduGarcia]

you will slowly settle with that reality. And IF YOU DEDICATE YOURSELF TO IT, it will be the happiest period of your mortal existence, bar none

[@VM-123]

When I was 16 in the early '70s right after Roe v Wade was passed, I became pregnant. My boyfriend deserted me, I went to an adoption agency and I was working with a counselor. They helped me tell my parents, my dad blew his stack, and forced me into the abortion clinic. Made the boyfriend pay him cash to cover it. He made sure that I had no counseling, the adoption agency I was working with said they couldn't help me anymore because I was underage. I had absolutely nobody! I was then further abused verbally and mentally by my dad and the boyfriend! The only person that even bothered to call and ask how I was doing was my boyfriend's mom. She was really upset about all of it. It was extremely difficult! I never wanted to do it. I should have run away. Fast forward to my later life, I had a daughter and I tried to teach her never to do that to always come to me. Unfortunately she ended up at a very liberal and radical college and she ended up having an abortion. Now she is just like these women in the video! Satan has been at the forefront of all of this with deceiving. I have never gotten an apology from my dad. My mom never stood up to him, and she died with massive guilt. She was able to apologize to me before she passed away. I always wonder what would have been the outcome if I had put the baby up for adoption? I believe these girls are suppressing they're guilt and they are trying to rationalize because they're not going to be able to cope with this irreversible decision. It is just so evil! My dad continues to go about his life without a care in the world. He is very elderly now. He has always been that way. And, he has two other children by other women. One of them while he was married to my mom. Has no relationship with either one of them.

[@rollmops3113]

I'm so sorry you were forced to go through that, it's heartbreaking.💔 Continue praying for your daughter -as will I - that she will either hopefully find Christ for herself or at least she will grow out of the false indoctrination of college and see the truth. Sending you loads of love, from your fellow sister in Christ xoxo

[@VM-123]

@@rollmops3113 Thank you so much! I was thinking about my daughter, and then I got notification of your response. It would take an absolute miracle for her to turn around that's for sure. I appreciate your prayers so much! I will pray for you too. 🙏🙏♥️♥️

[@rollmops3113]

@@VM-123 you're absolutely welcome! And thankyou, I appreciate your prayers too!💗

[@hunterkarr5618]

I feel so bad for your going through that experience oh my goodness 😢

[@writeongal]

@VM I'm so sorry you were forced into that. Pray and ask God to break the spirit of murder and abortion over your bloodline and continue to pray for your daughter. God is in the miracle business and wants her saved even more than you do. I wanted to also mention to you that many churches or Crisis Pregnancy Centers have post abortion Bible studies that can truly help you walk through all of the hurt and forgive yourself and others involved in your abortion. Please look into PACE or check w your local CPC. Blessings and love ❤️

[@RS54321]

Skater girl: 'There are some states that will have arrested you...' (for having a miscarriage) Russell: 'That's not true' Girl: 'Why?' Russell: 'It's actually not a fact that any state..would want to punish people for miscarriage.' Girl: 'That's not what I said.' Yes, that's what you said 1 minute ago. I get so tired of the disingenuousness of these pro-choicers.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

that is just one person, tho. There are pro-lifers who go on about the 'choice' that women make to engage in sexual activity, implying that they have to accept the possibility of getting pregnant. However, some of these same folks ALSO think abortion should be illegal even in cases of forced or coerced sex that results in unwanted pregnancy. That means their real desire is to control women's bodies.

[@DartNoobo]

It means they just want to protect the baby. Pro-choicers are disingenuous and you are prime example right here​@@wylierichardson-tu6zs

[@hammotox83]

I have a hard time trusting when someone says they don’t want a child because they hate kids. I have 2 friends that said that their whole lives. Swore up and down they can’t stand kids and would never want to have them. Those kids are their whole world now and wouldn’t trade parenthood for anything. You may find kids to be annoying and a pain, but it’s a lot different when it’s your child. They are literally a piece of yourself.

[@epiphanii]

That's what I think too. Also, everyone was a child at once-?

[@JanieBee]

Yeah, I notice mostly only teen girls and college girls say this, and probably because it’s a popular western culture thing to say. To “hate” children is a very new thing, and scary that it’s so normal to hear. Like imagine being in a group of women even 60yrs ago and saying “haha yeah I could never be a mother, I hate children”. They’d look at you like you were a demon

[@AmreeHolliday]

I had a friend sewer up and down she would never be a mom, she had went down the horrible drug route, went to prison, got sober, relapsed, found her husband, found him dead from a relapse, a week later would find out she was pregnant, the baby had bad heart problems and one kidney, they swore when he came out he would be intubated, nope he came out just find, he has had 2 heart surgeries, but anyways this baby is her world. She is the best mom!

[@smileyladyT]

Exactly, it’s like saying you hate yourself.

[@ellencox8415]

They say hate, but it is fear. It isn't that they "hate", she even said there are some cute kids, but she thinks she won't be enough. Won't be able to give enough love and won't be able to give herself up for a child. She is pure fear.

[@Good.vibes.only012]

She was kind and willing to have a conversation but it’s really interesting how much her demeanor changed once that other hateful woman came up.

[@ChainedFei]

Women are often very influenced by other women's viewpoints on topics, far more than men are moved by social pressures of the same.

[@jmailmonopolis6296]

@@ChainedFei its true, men don't really defend other men only because they are men. props to the few women who don't automatically support other women no matter what they say.

[@sidwhiting665]

@@ChainedFei this is where I think it makes great sense to have at least one woman attend events like this who is staunchly anti-abortion and not afraid to talk to hostile people. I've seen some of his other videos where he does have at least one woman present. Sometimes that helps, but other times the Pro-Abort women just wave them off as brainwashed and/or "controlled by the patriarchy."

[@doid4354]

@@jmailmonopolis6296unfortunately us women who don’t automatically agree with every woman makes us “misogynistic and a pick-me.” It’s annoying.

[@lornadoone8887]

The trauma victim’s story is heartbreaking. She says she doesn’t want kids but she “looks forward to being an auntie”. That says a lot right there. She needs healing from the trauma. With that worked through and support from an understanding husband, she could make a wonderful mother. Prayers for her healing-that’s a heavy load to bear (especially with the perp still walking free). 😢

[@bogkazealijamislim5998]

My mom raised both of my sisters that way. I saw the train wreck coming from early on and went my own way. One sister listened to me, married up and has a bunch of kids now. The other is bitter and hateful, has a bi- boyfriend 25 years older than her and now finds herself craving marriage and children that will never come for her. So sad.

[@AndrewJohnson-sk9jr]

First off she needs to get help about her feelings, no man wants to deal with this woman period, no loving Husban even wants her in there ear listening to this thing talk!

[@pw8741]

Praying for the young woman.

[@chazzthaspazz4475]

shes not even trying to listen lol

[@mgtowdadYouTubeSucksCoxks]

​@@chazzthaspazz4475 I was young once, and not an avid listener. But l grew up.

[@gowsif_dnb]

@@chazzthaspazz4475 she's trying a little. 4 minutes in and I've heard her acknowledge his points more than once.

[@kutie216]

Me too.

[@Deekerry]

Damn, it’s like that other lady unleased an evil spirit onto the young girl. Watch how they were having a good calm debate/conversation and then the lady comes saying she is a Christian talks about her story, doesn’t want to listen but just tells her side and leaves. Then everything went out grey from there with the two, even to the point the young lady is then saying don’t listen to him to a passer by, she changed completely, wasn’t calm, her body language was different, and didn’t want to have a conversation just kept biting back.. Shocking

[@EdgarAllanGo]

He lost her when he didn’t show enough empathy to the brunette who murdered her baby at 16. The young lady he was dialoging with told Russell an incredibly personal and horrific situation and he almost didn’t bat an eye, and then another young lady came and told a similar story, to which Russel also didn’t bat an eye. THAT is where the “switch” happened. She felt solidarity with the abuse and Russel missed a good opportunity to share the real gospel, not the one peddled improperly by her pedophile father and co-dependent mother who never stopped it and didn’t prosecute. It’s not an evil spirit. It’s shame, abuse, and sin. Hopefully what he said does reach her heart though because she is in a lot of pain.

[@dontfollowyourheart]

The term with child is so powerful.

[@davidk2096]

Do you know why it's so powerful?

[@sjohnson5813]

​@@davidk2096 because it's factual

[@dontfollowyourheart]

@@davidk2096 Because it’s true. No euphemisms.

[@davidk2096]

@@dontfollowyourheart 100% agreed.

[@RS54321]

It's crazy how the girl kept saying things like 'not the ones that are here now' meaning the children who have been born, as though being in utero means you aren't 'here' or don't exist yet, so it's OK to end their life.

[@Wolf88888]

The fact is, abortion is just rationalized child sacrifice. When you fully accept this, and you consider the implications of this undeniable fact, your understanding of how truly evil abortion actually is will become clear.

[@derpsnarf4052]

It's hard to come to terms that you were fully reh-t3rrded. People will fight against it, hard. I never actuality caught the mental disease called liberals, but I was a prochoice "I wouldn't want to but I won't feel you not to" reh-t3rrrd. I think it was our first child I loved her at first ultrasound and couldn't fathom being prochoice, but it still makes me feel stupid I ever thought that way. I'd rather be called a flat earther than prochoice.

[@daeveionwilliams4433]

And we don’t fight against flesh and blood, but we fight against the principalities. Some type of Baal influence in this culture heavy when you break it down to the root of it being child sacrifice.

[@Wolf88888]

I like how KZbin is only allowing me to see one of two replies to my post. Thanks, Big Brother!

[@derpsnarf4052]

@@Wolf88888 do you see one from me?

[@Wolf88888]

@@derpsnarf4052 Nope.

[@growinggenerationshomestea516]

She was feeling Gods love and didnt want to leave. May this moment soften her heart and bring her to Jesus

[@AliAntarAllahsServant]

& may Jesus bring her to God. Ameen. 🙌🏿

[@punishedmatteson7108]

​@@AliAntarAllahsServantJesus is God. In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God, and The Word was God.

[@AliAntarAllahsServant]

@@punishedmatteson7108 That doesn't say Jesus is God. This is not the teaching of Christians before the council of Nicea 325ad. Jesus said "My father is greater than I." My father is greater than all". "I do not by my own will, but the will of God". Anyone who submitted to God is a Muslim. Jesus is not God and he is a Muslim.

[@ryanbrown4053]

​@@AliAntarAllahsServant "before Abraham was, I AM"

[@AliAntarAllahsServant]

@ryanbrown4053 People (the soul) exist before birth. I believe it was Jeremiah who the lord said before birth I knew you. The soul is not created through sexual relations.

[@Stillpril]

A newborn babie's only defense is to cry but an unborn baby can't cry. They are truly defenseless.

[@dontaskdonttell_]

If the womb had a window, nobody would get an abortion.

[@TrumpsEarBandage]

@@dontaskdonttell_stealing this, powerful statement

[@jesusdied4u743]

When a person is raped does he (the person who raped the individual) get the death penalty when found guilty? Nope but let's put the baby to death for doing absolutely nothing besides existing..so sad...

[@eduardopena5893]

What crime did the baby commit in order to receive the death penalty?

[@dontaskdonttell_]

@@eduardopena5893none!

[@ElijahDanielRayWood]

@@eduardopena5893 Bearing the image of God. Satan is jealous and he has filled the hearts of unbelievers to kill them.

[@purplelover9633]

Other than looking like the father

[@crystaldavis9442]

​@purplelover9633 not even that. Just for POSSIBLY looking like him.

[@scribs186]

The art of conversation at its finest.

[@silverbackhayabusa]

What a tragic girl. Going from almost having a reasonable discussion to borderline trolling and oblivious that her behavior is a direct result of her unbelief. Prayers.

[@sebastiansirvas1530]

Or maybe she just doesn't believe what you believe.

[@chrisrussell8245]

​@@sebastiansirvas1530or maybe the other girl got her worked up

[@denofpigs2575]

@@sebastiansirvas1530 That means nothing. We clearly didn't believe what the slave holders believed (Or so most of us claim. I have a sneaking suspicion they don't mind slavery if it's the 'right' kind of slave). That never made their belief in slavery right.

[@sebastiansirvas1530]

@denofpigs2575 It means something. You just did not understand the meaning of my comment. I am saying that the behavior described by the original comment of this thread can be described as a consequence of differing opinions and not necessarily because of a specific religious unbelief. Also, the comparison between slavery and abortion because of the central issue of the discussion aeound criteria for personhood is ignoring pretty much any neuological or developmentally oriented argument and their respective details.

[@denofpigs2575]

@@sebastiansirvas1530 You ARE aware that neurological or developmentally oriented arguments were literally used for slavery right? Hence the whole "They aren't really human like we are because their brains are smaller than ours. It's only science." Which, by the way, is a verifiable fact. The brain sizes of Africans, on average, are indeed smaller than the Caucasoid brain on average. The average IQ is also lower at about 83-85 (At least in the case of American blacks). Doesn't change the fact they are human and deserve human rights. Do you really want to go down that route AGAIN? The only qualification for the protection of human rights, aka personhood, is that the person in question is human. There are literally no other qualifications necessary for the protection of human rights. All you're doing is kicking the proverbial can of worms somewhere else. Neurological and developmentally oriented arguments SHOULD be ignored for the case of personhood. Because they're completely irrelevant. Even dead people have rights.

[@marthafowler2728]

Excellent job! You covered so much ground with this conversation without compromise super helpful for me to hear good responses to sensitive questions. Keep the videos coming. 😉

[@applausitivity8784]

I don’t think we exactly share the same views; but I always enjoy watching your videos. The way you carry yourself in these conversations while keeping it open and civil is something we need more of.

[@metalcien098]

The amount of patience here is so effective. I need to grow in my patience on topics like this

[@_tyler77]

Really great work. Love the content and thank you for fighting for abolition

[@BornOnThursday]

They're just Christians.

[@joshuaculley9695]

Love how you speak and interact with people. Some people don’t listen to anything you say because they’re dug in in what they believe despite it being completely backwards society these days. I wish I had the courage and patience to speak like you do! Its what I believe in and sometimes can’t explain it as well as others like you! Good bless all the work you do and to spark a thought in someone’s mind! Great job.

[@jcthomas3408]

You have analogies that help a lot. Also, remember that the girl can give her child up for adoption if she doesn't want to raise him/her.

[@ngumoandy]

The lady's tone changed entirely when the "Christian girl" came in her aggression. Kinda shows how the proabortion bandwagon takes up people.

[@craigmunday3707]

It was total weird how her story developed, and she used the story Russell mentioned about men slipping the abortion pill? Then her emotions are back to normal when the Christian woman left. Something very odd

[@MrBLAA]

That chick COMPLETELY turned the conversation sour… I really hope she realizes the damage “as a Christian” she did

[@smileyladyT]

@@MrBLAAwhen the conversation flipped to her and her salvation she left, but it won’t be forgotten, God knows the heart. We plant the seed let God water it and nurture it.

[@ekgr212]

He was on the verge of causing her to have a revelation just before she left. Ive seen the KZbin Short version of that part showing their faces close up, and when he said that about thinking she was still dealing with the guilt, she had a look of genuine and very deep conviction/regret in that moment for a couple of solid seconds that she couldn’t even hide. But when the other girl chimed in, saying he was “being insensitive” (i believe out of sensing she might be starting to have a revelation and hoping to keep it a 2v1 situation), she immediately did a 360 all of a sudden and just stormed off. So they were definitely influencing each other, reaffirming their own bias and unwillingness to hear the truth.

[@ngumoandy]

@@ekgr212 Very True. I would even go a step further to say that the unwillingness to hear the truth is further cemented by the evil one because it is not by chance that the other lady chimed in and "turned" her away.

[@ReinaldotheRepublican]

These poor college kids... This is what they are all being taught and look how messed up her views and logic is. We really are doomed I am terrified for the next 5-10 years from now when people of her age have graduated clown college and may even be in a position of power. May god save us all 🤦‍♂️

[@rhondal8887]

Scary thought! 😬

[@Rendelwood]

We are already living in that world. I am over 50 and was taught in public school that babies are not babies until it the mom wants them to be a baby. As far as I can remember the sentiment has been the mother is the victim, and doctors are there to help them with their problem. This channel is the first time I have ever heard the argument that the mother is the oppressor. I have understood at some level that killing the pre born is wrong, but now have to face my own conative dissidence head on. I am still holding on to pregnancy is a special case and can not be treated the same as all other personal interactions. But to quote you "we really are doomed". However I disagree we have to wait 5 to 10 years.

[@christhewritingjester3164]

46:16 My 18 year old brother got his 16 year old girlfriend pregnant. It was very hard for them, especially since her family cut her out as a result and we were by no means wealthy, but 25 years later they are still married and that son is getting married at the end of this year. She's making excuses because she feels guilty and she's definitely still carrying it.

[@sarakrewson4725]

I would love to hear more stories like this.. The oddest thing is back in the day, and not too far back, your brother's story was commonplace..

[@mellbelle81]

I don’t know why women don’t realize they don’t need to murder their children they can let a loving mother and father love their baby and raise them.

[@daysnottime999]

In a world that is vanishing?

[@robwalker3417]

What a load of utopian BS. The vast majority of children in the US given up by their parents end up in institutions. The outcome for children in such institutions is appalling. The most loving thing to do to relieve suffering is to release the consciousness of the child back to God.

[@wannabKsi]

@@robwalker3417That’s an incredibly twisted way of thinking. It’s ok to kill a child because it might suffer? To return it back to god? What makes you believe that at all? Seriously.

[@robwalker3417]

@@wannabKsi A life of suffering is more suitable in your mind than a painless abortion executed before said suffering? This is exactly my point, I would rather all children had a stable and loving home life free from oppressive structures belonging to a caring community. However, reality tells us that this is not the case for many. Those that make the most noise about being anti abortion are more likely to also believe in such things as small government, low taxes and that the poor and mentally challenged should simply pull their socks up and get on with it. So, no shits given for the actual suffering of a child, just social, political and religious moral posturing. This is why I mentioned God and the soul, the majority of arguments put forward come from a disingenuous and cherry picking religious perspective. It is twisted to simply expect a reality of thousands of years to change and to expect that someone forced to have an unwanted child will be a good parent (utopian), when in reality the child will be brought up by the State wherein the outcomes are terrible (likely). So, it is not ok to kill a child under any circumstance, however, it is ok for a woman to abort a fetus if she does not want to have a child. Not murder, family planning.

[@wannabKsi]

@@robwalker3417 we all suffer. It’s a part of life. I don’t think that ending a life, or more to the point. Not allowing a human life to exist. Is the answer for peoples suffering. It’s literally the same mindset as if you have a headache. Remove the head. These are people. Individuals that are getting slaughtered and it’s become a normal part of life.

[@WLSNDANDAMAN]

My fiancé is a lactation consultant and working on being a midwife, and they’re alive immediately it says it in all of her text books.

[@hwd7]

When a woman becomes pregnant, she's already had the child. That's why we have the expression 'with child' to describe a pregnant mother. No one should have right to kill another innocent human being. Period.

[@BornOnThursday]

Why limit this to human beings?

[@hwd7]

@@BornOnThursday Because, 1. Murder is the intentional killing of an innocent human being. 2. Abortion is the intentional killing of an innocent human being. 2. Abortion is murder. When people worship animals the sacrifice of humans soon follow.

[@IndonistanKeboardWarrior]

​@@BornOnThursday cos only human that is created in the image of god, you can kill any living creature but you can only murder human. If we're not allowed to kill fish, cattle or plants that will be dissaster for humankind.

[@GolfingInParadise783]

@@BornOnThursday ??? How many chickens do you know getting abortions? Or gorillas?

[@BornOnThursday]

@@GolfingInParadise783 I'm referring to the line _"No one should have the right to kill another innocent human being”._

[@Michael-yl2iq]

She can control not being a mother. If you don't want kids don't participate in activities that create them.

[@poolboy22v]

This conversation grieves the heart

[@curtisdonnelly7946]

A good conversation between 2 honest individuals.

[@adrianangii]

She is definitely open to other ideas. I pray to God that she finds the path of Christ. God bless you guys

[@Eledan13]

That was a roller coaster. I think it clarifies that it is the spirit who changes minds. She seemed to be really starting to work through it then hit a wall and dug in again seeing you as an enemy. Made me sad.

[@nicoledickerson9516]

This generation is narcissistic. All they think about is me, I, me I can’t, I don’t want…. Even when your trying to get them to think about the horror of murdering a child .. they go back to yeah I know but I , ME, I , I DONT LIKE, I DONT WANT. I don’t care about the other person because all I can think about is ME .

[@michelletalbot2281]

Thank you!! The blatant selfishness and rightfully said narcissistic mindset of this generation is caustic. I lost count how many times ive heard women scream angrily My rights my body..f*&^ them kids (even seen tshirts saying this) and obvious me myself and i. Its like they didnt move past the childish mentality that most outgrow by about 9 or 10. Usually we learn by then the world does not revolve around us. I would say from the 70s onward the push for selfish women to amp up their behavoir and mentality has reached such dangerous levels. Theyve actually been brainwashed to believe they should have the RIGHT to dismember, starve or have their unborn child sucked out with a vacuum and sold baby parts for companies 😔 its incredible they have bought this lie..and still manage to make it about THEM. Not the baby ripped apart and slaughtered.

[@danielguitron]

Holy Spirit was keeping her there to hear.

[@manueljauregui1985]

she is a curious and smart young girl, something tells me her mind will be changed eventually

[@manueljauregui1985]

or maybe not after watching the 2nd half of the video

[@lumi5154]

That other female....the devil heard, got scared and came to bring confusion to the conversation...and failed... Good job ❤️‍🔥

[@buoyant257]

When im older I want to get a sign and do this. Wonderful work your doing

[@jaja9081]

You guys doing such a great job! ❤

[@trustusjones6430]

"don't listen to him" was a particularly pathetic portion of this exchange. She was never interested in actually listening.

[@hizgrase]

Gods word never returns void.

[@joe3USA]

No, I think that he made an impression on her. It's pretty hard to totally change someone's mind in one day that they are so dead set on. This long conversation is one seed that has been planted in her soul. Maybe she will never change her mind but it's Our job as Representatives of Jesus Christ to do our best to bring people to Christ so that they can achieve Salvation, and to protect all Children. I understand that it can be EXTREMELY FRUSTERATING dealing with Lost Souls especially the Loud, Ignorant, Mean, Negative people however we as Christians are called to do our best.

[@freedomishavingachoice3020]

You weren't interested in listening to me just because I disagreed with you. Hypocrisy looks good on absolutely no one.

[@freedomishavingachoice3020]

@@joe3USA are you aware the antiabortion movement is a registered hate group by the same establishment who identified the KKK? Sometimes cults pretend to do good for engagement.

[@trustusjones6430]

@@freedomishavingachoice3020 go away weirdo I was willing to discuss with you then politely ended conversation you're just online stalking at this point good day to you

[@BellaMae-z2x]

Great conversation. I'm glad she was open to listening and discussing.

[@limpty]

Hilarious quick dig in the wnba. Also, thanks for your work. I really appreciate you.

[@davidbrotherton789]

It is so hard to listen to the intellectual dishonesty video, after video, after video. You truly have a gift to do what you do.

[@matespider]

This guy is so interesting I would speak with him an hour too :D

[@kweesta523]

This is plainly a great conversation. Great job both of you in the beanies!!

[@mah_kaylaa]

I think it’s very telling how her whole demeanor changed once that girl walked up with her disruptiveness She was fine having a calm debate until that girl walked up

[@Duneboy13]

It really shows how much her convictions changed based on who can see her. Very sad

[@suzannemartin6817]

Perhaps it was a spirit not just an angry person, on assignment to distract skater girl. And no I’m not kidding.

[@epsilona7472]

I was one of these kids in high school, thank god people speak up and offer their perspective, now it makes total sense to me.

[@neurologylove2135]

I remember seeing the short of this. I hope she heard you when you said that through forgivenessin Christ, she can say "I'm okay" regardless of the pain she has been through amd is carrying.

[@blondetapperware8289]

I wish one thing he would have mentioned is that just because a woman conceives a child, that doesnt mean she has to raise it for the next 18 years. Adoption is a very real and valid option.

[@juanmanuelfc]

In a Tik-Tok infected age where attention spans don't last more than 8 seconds, seeing a civil dialogue between two intellectually honest adults that lasts more than 5 minutes is sooooo refreshing. What a delight to watch this exchange.

[@victorvolobuev507]

This conversation/debate is quite impressive, not only for how long it lasted, but also how much information was exchanged with kindness and patience. And it was, for the most part, a civil exchange of ideas. Very diplomatically handled. I want use some of those expressions to stay in debate peaceful zone.

[@mikeedwardsmith]

Thanks for this. Stay genuine. Appreciate the peacemaking. Blessings to you for giving us examples of both method and wisdom.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

Its never correct to kill a child for the sins of its father .

[@chrisrussell8245]

This breaks my heart. This man is a father and a husband, he doesn't go around "sticking it in everything" like she said towards the end after they had stood there and had a great, civil conversation. I have watched so many of these videos. He goes out, stands for hours and takes insult and abuse for something he believes in so strongly. He never raises his voice, he never insults, he is endlessly patient. People scream at him, call him every name in the book and accuse him of everything they can think of. It's hard for me to understand how society has devolved to the point that he's the "bad guy", and this behavior is acceptable toward him. I am against abortion but will admit that some stances he has make me uncomfortable.....even when I completely understand and agree with his logic (such as with child victims of rape). I am not a believer in God. However, this man does nothing to deserve the treatmemt he gets. He is a good and kind man, anyone can see that. I think this one got to me more than those who just walk up screamimg because they were respectful with each other for so long, and then suddenly she decided to revert to the default "angry liberal college student" after another person butted into thier conversation.

[@thisguy3032]

The willingness to push responsibility off of themself is staggering. I didn't hear that the woman in the brown coat was raped. She made a choice at 16 years old to have sex. The decision to have sex can carry consequences just like drinking and driving. When you drink, you can get drunk, when you drive, you can get into an accident. In her case, those consequences came due. Now she wants to rationalize that decision. That decision began when she decided to have sex just like the drinker. He is 100% correct, that decision still effects her to this day.

[@jamesseeker1538]

We tell that to men too. You choose to engage in sex and she chooses not to kill your child then you are forced by the government to pay up. We spend over 50 billion dollars per year from our social security to enforce this. Title IV-D.

[@thisguy3032]

@@jamesseeker1538 100% agree, men should not be slinging that D around either, there are consequences. It is typically women in these videos though.

[@AmreeHolliday]

@@jamesseeker1538A woman can decide not to raise a baby thus taken the fathers ability to raise it by killing it, however, when a male isn’t ready to father, he doesn’t get a choice, he is considered a dead beat. Also he has his wages garnished for child support through the state. Men don’t get a choice in todays society without being ridiculed. Mother kills baby, she is empowered. A man wants to raise its baby and he is a misogynist because he is forcing a woman. A woman wants to keep her baby, she is empowered. A man doesn’t want to father the child then he is a deadbeat and has mandatory child support. And don’t get me started on many mothers forcing father abandonment while collecting child support, and the state does little to help the father. I totally agree that everyone needs to pull up their big boy and big girl pants and take on their responsibilities. However you are missing the point of the comment. Why would this person direct this comment towards women, because it’s women who are the ones who claim rape and sexual assault having sex intoxicated and regretting it later thus the absolute perfect example of a woman climbing into a car drunk and killing a person while regrettable is still responsible for her actions. I don’t understand why you would then come to the defense of this argument by using men as if they have any choice of being a father or not, paying child support or not, and being looked at as a deadbeat might he decide he isn’t ready but the mother is. How is coming after men a valid argument especially when he doesn’t get a choice to even deny or accept responsibility. what happens when a man wants to be a father and a woman doesn’t, she can choose to kill both their baby and be empowered. I can go over the same talking points but I’d just be repeating. People shouldnt be having sex period without marriage, as I get older I realize why god set rules and expectations because without them sin and suffering occurs. If pre martial sex wasn’t a thing, abortion wouldn’t be a thing. Anyways why is it that in todays society children are given less and less responsibility? I was born in 1990 and back then we played outside, played with knives, went off in the woods, hiking, climbing trees. Myself being a parent freaks when I don’t see my children in my line of sight and because of this I take away them learning responsibility because I’m just sure something is going to go wrong. Over protective parenting, it’s like we don’t trust children, teens, and even young adults to make the appropriate choices so we don’t even put the responsibility on them. For example instead of given young women the knowledge of their fertility cycle which is totally trackable(I used this to not get pregnant and to get pregnant for years), or perhaps how waiting to have sex isn’t the worse thing. We take the responsibility away from women and men to do the right thing by leaving the option for an abortion on the table. Now days it’s like parents see abortion as the only way to prevent an unwanted pregnancy and that’s bad. Less and less accountability because responsibility just doesn’t exist because people have so low expectations for society. Scary!

[@s.e.e455]

I think people don’t understand that you can’t assume an adopted or foster baby is going to have a bad life. I’ve known a few people who were adopted and have wonderful lives. My best friend was adopted, and I’m grateful that her biological mother chose to give birth to her, despite her difficult circumstances. It’s better to give a person a chance to eventually have a good life than to give them no life at all. If you don’t want to actually give birth, then C-section is available. Just don’t kill your 6 month old baby b/c you personally don’t want to raise it.

[@sarakrewson4725]

Isn't Colin Kapernick adopted.. Good example of the adopted child having every need and want met..

[@heavyiron3572]

she said she can't wait to be an aunty, but also states she hates kids and couldn't be a mother, because she hates kids running around. I'm scared for her sisters kid.

[@JasonH17]

especially with her last thought.. "they are goanna die either way.".

[@lealacey2895]

This poor girl... Of course it is evil what her father did to her, but it doesn't mean the problem is children, the problem is evil adults. She should work on herself because it doesn't mean she is doomed because of her abusing past...

[@dbeebe00]

Great debate. Undefeated.

[@ekgr212]

Toward the end, when she threw up the other girl having walked away, I wish he would’ve pointed out that the girl only got offended after SHE butted in and said what she did to him in her defense and very heavily influenced that other girl’s receptiveness to hearing out what he was saying. Ive seen the KZbin Short version of that part from another camera angle with a close up view of the other girl’s reaction/expression, and you could tell that girl was feeling some serious conviction and regret she couldn’t even hide in that moment just before advocate girl chimed in, vs the offended attitude that she walked away with just after that. That could’ve been a revelation for that other girl, causing long overdue self-accountability and taken away a lot of her guilt, positively changing her life, but abortion advocate girl had to completely ruin that for her out of her unrelenting bias and her desperation to keep it a 2v1 situation at the time. She’s a very selfish person and I don’t believe for a second she never had an abortion herself after watching this full thing.

[@quesostuff1009]

There’s a lot of hurt and trauma carried by this girl. I hope she can find healing This video should remind us that we aren’t fighting against flesh but against spirits

[@somedude2433]

Child sacrifice is part of most cultures in some form Most people don’t know the dark side of their cultures. Most don’t want to know.

[@CoryFPS]

My best friend survived his abortion, he is now married with two children!

[@TrumpsEarBandage]

Dude is a G!!!!! Big ups to him

[@kurolap7882]

she's a sweetheart Edit: she changed towards the end lol

[@horsegirl07]

It’s really interesting to see the shift in conversation when the second girl walked up.

[@samanthawise8991]

I used to be on hormonal birth control and on one occasion took a plan B pill. I felt pressure to take them and I should not have given into that. It fills me with so much guilt to think that I was unknowingly aborting my children instead or just preventing fertilization. I have recently accepted Christ and I have repented of that sin. The worst part of it definitely is the unknown. Was there ever a fertilized egg or not? I will never know.

[@BornAgain223]

well you repented and you've been forgiven and God remembers it no more! you know better now and we can praise God for that!! hallelujah

[@HelloThere.....]

It depends on when you took the plan B actually. I think within 2 days and you're preventing fertilization.

[@zachlahners6961]

@@HelloThere..... Thats good to know, I had one of my ex girlfriends take a plan B one time because the condom broke during sex. Was my first time having sex, always was scared about having sex before marriage, but she really wanted it. I didn't even think about plan B being a form of abortion. I feel awful now in retrospect, but I am now much more careful and would never have sex with someone I wouldn't raise a child with.

[@lornadoone8887]

@@zachlahners6961That’s improvement, but you would have greater peace and be blessed if you would choose to abstain until after marriage. That is God’s design and He wants what is best for us. True repentance is a change in behavior.

[@zachlahners6961]

@@lornadoone8887 Yes, youre right. I plan on it now. I've gotten deeper into my faith recently. I used to be worried I'd never be able to find a woman who is willing to abstain until marriage, but I put all my worries in God's hands and I know he'll bring the right woman into my life now

[@uploadingjoy9120]

I LOL'd when he threw in the small viewership of the WNBA.

[@optionsmoke]

The first girl.. "I don't like kids"... ten minutes later.." I can't wait to be an auntie " 😂

[@dontaskdonttell_]

Unhealed trauma

[@TrumpsEarBandage]

Mental gymnastics to justify their evil

[@GraceAlone50]

Keep preaching! There is no benefit to a human that makes it acceptable to murder an innocent human.

[@elievenson1479]

The amount if ego it takes for a person to judge for themselves that their life is more "valueable" than another person before they even get a chance to act on their own is disgusting. A pre-born child is the epitome of purity and innocence in every way. How can anyone say that isn't valuable? It makes me sick. 🤢 Selfish, self centered, self absorbed, arrogant and egotistical. I would say if anything can devalue a human life, those things would certainly do that.

[@tgcme1]

what gets me is how people who say “my body, my choice” will physically stop and remove women who are choosing to engage in a conversation. Um…..she doesn’t have the ability or right to talk to whoever she pleases? I’ve seen so many times where women are physically blocked from engaging anti-abortion people.

[@dontaskdonttell_]

They don’t want others to be educated thoroughly on the topic, because once somebody truly understands what an abortion is, how it’s done, and the possible long term effects, they’re likely to disagree with the idea of abortion.

[@joshjohnson2600]

Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. If you are violated, the person that violated you has accepted being violated. There is a place for that. It's called prison. To punish someone because of how they came to be, even though they're innocent, is monstrous.

[@jameslang9170]

The baby child whatever has violated the woman by existing and using her body against the woman’s will.

[@joshjohnson2600]

@@jameslang9170 - Mens rea and actus reus. The baby has neither of these. Are you saying we can punish people without these elements? Cause I'm pretty sure there are very few wheelchair ramps in Germany because Hitler thought the same thing about the handicapped.

[@jameslang9170]

@Josh Johnson does it matter if a virus has intention or not? I am a sovereign being with agency over my body. Regardless of intention I have complete control over it. Same should women. No one has a right to control over your body or what stays inside it. It’s a very simple concept.

[@freechair4890]

What’s the statute of limitations on that? Should we arrest everyone born of a woman for their crime as a baby?

[@joshjohnson2600]

@@freechair4890 - People who defend this behavior despise humanity.

[@markmoore4088]

"Playing basketball for a very small viewership". Ouch!

[@rThorStone]

That " Christian" who came by at the end, just came and started arguing

[@MissusTayIor]

How deceptive was that of her to yell, "don't listen to him" when you thought you might actually be getting somewhere. Goodness. This is why we all have a different role in the Kingdom of Yah. What a smack in the face.

[@filiphovland2462]

Incredible that Russell calls out christians who don't call their neighbours to repentance evil, and as soon as the young "christian" woman show up, the discussion turns into bickering

[@tedfeast]

Having discovered your channel and video's its led me to change my stance on this issue. Ive been pro life for a very long time but always felt the movement was in error in so many ways. The abolitionist idea is so perfect. Ive adopted this idea for myself as well. Thank you for all you do to try and save children.

[@Bshiddy]

Its not "Against Women " its FOR children.

[@patrickisawesomer]

I lost it when he brought up the small viewership of the wnba

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

If one doesnt want a child the shouldn't have sex or should at least be responsible enough to use protection .

[@sager3388]

It's not about not having babies. Abortion is all about having sex with multiple Men and not having any consequences to it.

[@bcshu2]

"That guy has got style I'll never have" This was a most beautiful moment

[@garrettgutierrez2677]

You have a very good way of making your case. Something like 75% of all the arguments pro choice people use could also apply against a born child who is not yet of an age to be independent, and you do a good job of pointing this out every time. The only argument a Christian could not argue against is the one that throws morality out the window, something like "an embryo has no value, and so can be destroyed without moral consequence just like one can destroy an object." Even the pro choice people know this is not true, and so they rarely make this argument. Instead they always try to weigh consequences, but there is no consideration likely to be proferred that outweighs the life of a child.

[@BornOnThursday]

I think a lot of the arguments can cover more than the intended time frame for sure, but I think when it comes to policies, we have to look at the impact, and determine the consequences. Feel free to feel and think whatever way you want, but outside of personal relationships, we should be looking more at overall effects and outcomes. I've certainly come to think there needs to be more info shared with people on the side effects of birth control (and each option) as well as the effect of getting pregnant (and what that does to your body), but outside that, people should maintain their freedom to choose (especially considering everything that happens between discovering your pregnant and thinking or doing something about it).

[@RepentTherefore]

Freedom to choose what?

[@rollmops3113]

​@@BornOnThursdaywomen's bodies are built to have babies. Being pregnant can actually have many health benefits. It's only been in the last few years that pregnancy has been demonised in the way it has. Ironically, in the same time frame, abortion has been pushed as almost consequence free and the dangers of it have been played right down.

[@BornOnThursday]

@@rollmops3113 As I've said, I'm for more information being provided about both pregnancy as well as abortion. People should know what they're getting, regardless of the current culture.

[@BornOnThursday]

@@RepentTherefore Whether or not they continue a pregnancy, once they are aware of it.

[@rileeb848]

I loved the jab at the WNBA "small viewership" I was rolling! Even still, the first conversation was so civil. While I don't agree with her on any of her views (I used to agree with her on ALL her views) I really have to respect her demeanor and gentleness in the conversation. She was so kind and gentle. I also have a question about the term malice. Whenever this is brought up in these videos I always pause, even though I do NOT agree with abortion, and I'm 100% on the abolitionists' side, I don't know if I understand the malice thought. I think the decision is 100% selfish, but if you are walking around uneducated about WHAT the baby actually is...under the lie of clump of cells, is it malice or just forethought and selfishness? Is there a difference between malice and selfishness?? I think there is, but I'm not sure when I hear these arguments. Love allllll your stuff!!

[@thebambinofan]

It was interesting to watch that negative energy transfer from that one lady to this girl…

[@krismccarthy7914]

So interesting that every single video I watch where abortion is debated the rape scenario is brought up. As a former abortion worker over 1 year none of the women I cared for had been raped. I had 3 clients who were back for a second, third and 14th abortion. Working in that clinic showed me the truth. A successful abortion results in the death of a unique human being. As a post abortive woman it left scars that I carried for decades. Abortion commits violence on babies and women, leaves scars on the family.

[@metalcien098]

She hates people because of what "people" (aka her father) did to her. Very obvious. Very unfortunate. Jesus forgives and loves and gives you the strength to rebuke that evil

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

People will play the victim and up with so many excuses to justify abortion. Its beyond repugnant.

[@mb.3d671]

That skater girl is just lonely and needs love

[@JasonH17]

but not too much..

[@davidbrotherton789]

Second girl says she is a Christian, immediately spouts gnostic heresy.

[@hehe6969]

It's always childhood trauma that makes people like her

[@JulieeeB]

It’s interesting to see that they can have a civil conversation and as soon as one other person comes up with a bad attitude, they start to mirror that bad attitude when originally their attitude was fine. It’s sad to watch.

[@yvettecruz6038]

I am not religious and I also do not believe in abortion. Science is what makes me realize how twisted abortion is.

[@CatholicHusband]

Science can tell how a thing works, it cannot assign value to that thing. Determining value is theology.

[@thisslightlysweetlife3402]

I love that she thought deeply about what he was saying.

[@jamesd4013]

I don't want kids....so abortion is OK. At least she is thinking about it. Time 2:20: "...I don't even like kids in general" Time 17:23: "...I can't wait to the an auntie"