Pro-Life Student Group Debates Abolitionist

[@thisslightlysweetlife3402]

I have risen. I actually had an abortion when I was 20 in college. I killed my first child. I am 54 now with 4 grown kids. I was terrified, alone and with the most uncertain future I could ever imagine up to that point. My solution was eradication of the issue. Had I known I would be prosecuted I know I would never have gotten so carelessly pregnant. I would have also known that society and culture deemed pregnancy as the development of a valuable human apart from me. I was pro-life for a while due to my experience. I didn’t know there was another option. Abolitionism is the only truth on this issue. It is the only explanation that makes sense of all the reality involved. Thank you.

[@AbolitionistsRising]

Wow, praise God for your repentance! Glad to have you with us!

[@thisslightlysweetlife3402]

@@AbolitionistsRising Amen. God alone. God alone.

[@tinawantland398]

I can relate to your story. While I did NOT have the abortion I planned to have, PRAISE GOD, I would have because I had an “issue”that would longer be an “issue”, if I aborted the “issue”. It was the reaction of my father when I told my parents what my plan was that saved me from killing my baby. He literally grabbed his chest and fell back against the sofa and said “GOD have mercy on you”! The look on his face was sheer agony! It crushed my heart, and I realized he knew something about my “issue”, that I hadn’t even thought of, let alone had any real knowledge. I was a young “child” of 16, but his physical reaction testimony to the sanctity of life, opened my heart and mind to the TRUTH! That “issue” was in fact my oldest child of 5. She has given me 5 of my 10 grandchildren, and she is the grandmother of my first great grand child. TO GOD BE ALL GLORY, HONOR AND PRAISE!! ABOLISH ABORTION NOW!!!

[@stumc910]

Praise God for granting repentance! ❤

[@jamesgoyette810]

@tinawantland398 Thank God for your father... I'm so glad you didn't go through with it. I think people lose sight of this aspect. You just don't know who that baby is going to be and what other amazing people they might bring into this world in the future. You are not only eliminating one soul... but potentially an entire branch of your family tree. Your father and your wise decision to heed his warning saved not only one life but, in fact, at least 6, and I'm sure more to come in the future. Praise the Lord!

[@Baenannashake]

Crazy cuz i found students for life first.. then i found this channel. I never thought about the difference and i appreciate opening my eyes on this.

[@DoulosChristou97]

absolutely agree

[@nitagoes5941]

Me too!!

[@jpanduezadlf]

Yes, it's particularly difficult to see the difference because almost every one of their videos is called "Make Abortion Illegal Again". So, I never would have guessed that they're exactly the same.

[@denniswakabayashi9000]

Essentially there are no differences SINCE both camps adopt an unattainable political goal. Hundreds of thousands of lawful abortions each year in America and no one has been convicted of murder. These people are totally delusional to believe they can force pregnant women into breederhood by voting!

[@MarshalWalk3r]

Opinions are easy.

[@kjaye2766]

To the abolitionist woman in the very beginning who said something along the lines of not leading with the Gospel in the forefront of the prolife arguments will not convince those who are atheist/being in rebellion with God. I wanted to let you know it is happening 😊 I was a staunch atheist, pro choice who watched arguments from famous atheist Hitchens and became a “prolife” atheist. From that - from what I believe - I began seeing the value/sanctity of human life which ultimately lead to valuing it bc we are made in the image of God and was baptized in Christ within two years of shifting my views. 🤗

[@Liveloud4Him]

Amazing testimony. Thanks for sharing!

[@stonemagic540]

IT really is amazing how Christ works when someone is searching...He Does Change People from the inside. Thank you 2766 for your testimony

[@CassTeaElle]

Yeah, a lot of the responses from the pro-lifers to me just sounded like a lot of lack of faith in God's way... they're only thinking of what seems logically possible, and ignoring the work of the Holy Spirit.

[@CoercedJab]

New normal

[@smexijebus]

I was once wildly anti-theistic, even going so far as to consider myself a satanist. I am now an abolitionist and I am earnestly searching for faith in Christ.

[@JetteB777]

I really appreciated that those students took the time to talk/debate with T Russ. Great conversation. If other ppl would just understand that it IS possible to do that.

[@jeanclaudevandam4974]

Those kids are more mature than 75 percent of adults.

[@Me-hf4ii]

I know 3 people who had abortions. All were heavily pressured by their parents or doctors. It wasn’t the boyfriend/husband. It was people who had power over the mother… one of those girls died tragically a year later and her family fell apart. Parents divorced, siblings developed drug problems and had issues with the law. It was my best friend’s sister. If abortion was criminalized, I wouldn’t have lost my best friend, my best friend would have her sister, her niece or nephew that was killed + all the other children her and her fiancé wanted to have. My friend would have had a family rather than a rap sheet. That one act of selfishness my friend’s mom when she told her oldest daughter “you are my child and I say you are not ready for this. We are going to take care of this “problem.” End of story” destroyed multiple generations of that family plus endless friends and families that were close to them. It was like an avalanche of despair. Only one sibling went on to have children - and he has cut off everyone else because they are all so destructive. None of that was present before that abortion. It took us that were close to them decades to put together that it all started after that little one was killed… after seeing how abortion affects the 2 other people I know - who also ended up having severe psychological issues afterwards - I have a feeling a LOT of the mental health problems we see in this country is connected to the fact that 1 in 4 women have been involved in committing intentional homicide.

[@sublimesamoyed]

Wow. Powerful. I’m so sorry that tragedy befell that innocent baby, and the cascade of which crashed into your own life. Sin has a way of causes ripples of destruction.

[@thisslightlysweetlife3402]

I was pressured by no one but myself. I think this is true of a lot of women. Women carry the trait agreeableness far more heavily than men. We tend to be people pleasers. Parent pleasers. Culture pleasers. Good girls. And sometimes we'll do evil things so as not to disappoint the ones we love and compromise our pleasing abilities.

[@CH-kr2df]

@@thisslightlysweetlife3402 In this life you’ll only have to be pleasing to God. There’s freedom in salvation and only worrying about what He thinks.

[@thisslightlysweetlife3402]

@@CH-kr2df Amen.

[@SpicyTexan64]

Funny because most of the mental health issues today mostly affect young men who have been beaten down and dismissed as having little to no value.

[@heatherwillis5505]

I enjoyed this conversation much more than I do those with the pro-choicers. Firstly, I was forced to reconsider some of my own positions. Secondly, they were calm and rational instead of emotional and rabid. I hope there will be more of these in the future.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

Your own positions? I don't think you have any positions of your own.

[@incemomnia]

Awe, look at the agro troll. Thinking his opinion is any more valuable than anyone else's.

[@incemomnia]

My main position is that the pro abortion arguments are too eerily similar to that of the pro slavery arguments. "My body my choice" Is essentially "My property my prerogative" "They are a clump of cells and not a person" is essentially "Only 3/5 of a person" "Don't like it, don't get one" is essentially "Don't like it dont own one." "You're not a woman you don't get a say" is essentially "if you're not black, mind your business" Not to mention blatantly violated human rights laws. THEN I refer to my beliefs and my faith.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

@@incemomnia abolitionists treat all pregnant women as slaves, and they want to institutionalize it Access to abortion IS a human right. Congrats. You've been indoctrinated.

[@captainuseless2120]

@@MarshalWalk3rAs opposed to the guy who literally dedicates his life to hate-watching and comment section wars.

[@baylieewegman]

The conversation I had with Rachel and actually looking at the pamphlet “Are you an abolitionist” changed my entire view. I had absolutely no idea that abolitionist bills were even a thing and let alone that pro-life organizations were opposing them, until the day this video was taken.

[@IJPhiloponus]

That's awesome to hear Bayliee! Hopefully we can all work together as abolitionists sometime in the future!

[@CoercedJab]

Yikes delete dat Instagram etc

[@MarshalWalk3r]

Weak minded people are easily manipulated.

[@FidgetyGuy]

The only difference I see between pro-life and abolitionist is 1) Abolitionists support the death penalty, 2) Pro-lifers do not. Both groups want to abolish abortion. What Mr. Hunter described is a corrupted organization within the Pro Life movement. There is a thing called institutional capture and it's a strategy of Leftists. They pretend to share our values to get into the organization and work from within to corrupt the organization.

[@stephtros9029]

narrow is the road to heaven and wide is the road to hell

[@MayonnaiseAndMalaise2go]

I hate when they say to stop having religious messaging because you could make more people come on board. Why should we compromise our morals for a bigger audience? Never stop arguing for abolition in a faith based view, when i discovered you guys i was still pretty atheistic but pro-life, but content like this really opened my eyes to the faults of the pro-life movement as well as to the greatness of the Lord.

[@MayonnaiseAndMalaise2go]

@@thehobbyisttries i dont know who told you that, but he literally said word for word “you dont have to be a christian to support abolition.” 26:55 continuing to have an opinion based in faith is not discrimination. if you feel the need to have someones opinions and mindset line up with you exactly, thats on you. Why do you need someone from abolitionists rising (supposedly) to affirm your idea that you’re an abolitionist? If you really were one, you wouldn’t care what other people thought. You’re the only one who knows your complete truth. Think about it.

[@MayonnaiseAndMalaise2go]

@@thehobbyisttries okay! You can link whatever you want, i honestly don’t care. I really don’t understand why you’re so mad about these people not accepting you for being a non religious abolitionist then turn around and watch their videos…and comment. Like you’re supporting their content while you have your panties in a bunch over not feeling accepted by them? Why?

[@MayonnaiseAndMalaise2go]

@@thehobbyisttries I do think you can be an abolitionist without being religious. I do think we should accept abolitionists who are not Christians. However, leaving religion out of things has ruined this country, when our country was literally founded on the idea of our God given rights. Compromising on our morals so a couple people feel included is BS…and not preaching the gospel is a sin. And yes, i know, we do have freedom of religion.

[@CassTeaElle]

I'm embarrassed that I used to think similarly to this. It's so unbiblical. Jesus never sacrificed any truth for the sake of appealing to a larger audience. Many people hated him for speaking truth. It's wild that so many Christian organizations are focused on something that Jesus never focused on. He spoke and those who were drawn came to him. And those who weren't, rejected him. He didn't change the things he said in order to try to win over those who rejected it.

[@CassTeaElle]

​@@thehobbyisttriesyou're misunderstanding the arguement. Nobody has said you cannot be anti-abortion if you're not religious. What they are probably trying to point out to you is the inconsistency of holding those two worldviews at once. People hold inconsistent worldviews all the time. Nobody is saying that's not possible. But they are saying that it's inconsistent, because it is. Without God, there is nothing to separate you or me from the dirt on the ground or an ant in the grass. There is no solid reasoning to suggest, in an atheist worldview, that human beings deserve rights and have value and shouldn't be harmed.

[@ludwigkirchner08]

Thank you for humbling me. I thought I understood this debate but clearly I didn't. You illustrate the wide gap and nuances between what we call pro-life and what our ultimate true aim is, eg abolition. If I was ignorant, million of others are too.

[@bbblackwell]

And humility is the key factor. Imagine the hubris of someone who thinks they can plan better than God. If a baby's growing, it's your natural duty to support that process, nevermind your plans for college or whatever your problem is.

[@kyleisaacson]

@@bbblackwell imagine the hubris of someone that believes in a god without any evidence haha

[@bbblackwell]

@@kyleisaacson Belief is not necessary. Nature has its ways, and it sets the standard, regardless of its origin, created or otherwise. Those who presume to act in opposition to nature have made a god of themselves.

[@JaneFleesTexas]

@@bbblackwell Lmao… “If men got pregnant, you could get an abortion at the ATM. Let’s state the obvious.” -VEEP Jesus, look up appeal to nature, appeal to authority and logical fallacies. Women have had abortions since they’ve been becoming pregnant. Too bad you let women have equal rights, they will never carry unwanted pregnancies willingly again. Sentient women are hurt by abortion bans. Elective procedures done early do not hurt sentient beings. Women with wanted pregnancies that go wrong suffer the most under abortion bans.

[@JaneFleesTexas]

@@bbblackwellYour second comment has to be the funniest. Written with such authority, conviction and yet so full of it. lol… When people don’t believe in “God” you can’t just turn around and call that “Nature”. Nor does that make any sense that they would then “make a god Of themselves”. It’s like saying “You don’t believe in the tooth fairy so when you treat a kid for losing a tooth you’ve made a fairy of yourself”.

[@paneofrealitychannel8204]

Strangely enough, I had never heard of your channel or known of any movement distinct from the "pro-life" movement when I established the KZbin name "The Abolitionist." It is a statement of absolutism about abortion- but I honestly did not know that abolitionism was a thing. I am glad it is. You are absolutely on the right track. I listened - and I listen to all you say, and I thank God for you each and every time.

[@paneofrealitychannel8204]

@thehobbyisttries - frankly, I'm not interested in debating the nuances between political factions. You obviously don't have to love God to be pro-life or to be for abolition - but it does help. Loving God provides a basis for being opposed to murder. You may not need it for your pro-life position, but atheism systematically leads to the view of humanity as meat robots. That is just a fact. If you really want to know why humanity is cherished, the answer is in the Bible. But I welcome anyone to the reasonable position that abortion is murder and should not be legal in any civilized society.

[@Luke-xt6pk]

Tell everyone you know about the distinction. Almost every "pro-life" person I have talked to about it, were in the same boat as you. I was, too. We were ignorant. And, now I think the "pro-life" movement keeps its members ignorant of abolitionism on purpose.

[@WiseOwl_1408]

​@@Luke-xt6pkthey just don't want to close the door on ladies with babies with genetic disorders or products of grape

[@abramspritzler4618]

@@WiseOwl_1408 so you are eugenicist? And women will simply lie about grape to sccomplish the murder. Simple as.

[@KCJAM1]

@@WiseOwl_1408you definitely ain’t ready for that (grape)jelly! People might unalive someone for doing it!

[@mombythesea2426]

You can tell that even though they disagree on some things, the Holy Spirit is here. Look at how calm, peaceful, and respectful the conversation is. And the entire goal is the pursuit of truth and preservation of life. No screaming or insults.

[@MrE073]

The preservation of life by denying women ownership over their body

[@mombythesea2426]

@@MrE073 False. But ok

[@MrE073]

@@ChadVigilante human rights don't have hierarchies, the preservation of life is as importan as the preservation of bodily autonomy, so no, you can't deny a woman an abortion to save a life because women are not objects for incubation and human rights are indivisible, inalienable, and interoperable.

[@MrE073]

@@mombythesea2426 how exactly is it false? When you deny an ethical abortion you're telling women what to do with their body and that's a human rights violation.

[@mombythesea2426]

@@MrE073 You can't deny ethical abortion because it doesn't exist.

[@skyfrost7559]

Man I'm so grateful for you and your ability to respectfully and clearly communicate truth.

[@sandrasnow3569]

I always considered myself pro-life until I started watching these videos. Now I am unequivocally an abolitionist.

[@RustyCog]

Same here The arguments I would make for being pro life instead of abolitionist were poorly informed and logically flawed This channel helped me realize this

[@JuliannaKinser]

Honestly wanna be this guy…always keeping you all in my prayers

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

I'm sorry.

[@justgopherit3454]

Not only your demeanor, but the level of knowledge you have on this subject, is just amazing Russel. God bless you brother!

[@blkkohi5959]

This is very interesting, I've always considered myself prolife and was confused what the difference is between prolife and abolitionists. Very informative and helpful. Thanks!

[@nachrichten2577]

I am wondering the same but the 1.5h conversation is intimidatingly long. Can you briefly summarize what those differences are?

[@uniqueNewyork_]

​@@nachrichten2577 -incrementalism vs immediate abolition and criminalization -safe, legal, rare abortion vs criminalize as murder -work as though God does not have any effect on the current situation vs act as God would have and has commanded. -many pro life lobbied politicians will vote down abolition bills, so the end goal of abolition is not the same. -pro lifer in the vid argued that war/instability will result from abolition. - abolitionist in the vid argued that prolife undermines their own position by allowing exceptions for rape, and not criminalize the act as murder. My quick notes there is certainly more detail. I would recommend watching the video and listening.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

Embrace fascism

[@MarshalWalk3r]

@@nachrichten2577 some fascists hate women, and other fascists hate civilization

[@FidgetyGuy]

I have been pro-life for more than 30 years. The movement has always supported making abortion illegal. Safe, legal, and rare are the talking points of the abortionists, not pro-lifers. The politicians and justices who espouse semi-prolife positions are politicians who see the polls shifting in our direction, nothing more. The Abolitionist Movement did not exist prior to the creation of this KZbin channel on Nov 9, 2018.

[@josephbrown1614]

I wish I could give this video 20 likes. Russell, you're so encouraging to listen to. Thank you for what you're doing.

[@seeqr9]

The convo went to incrementalism a lot. I think a good point to make is that abolitionists are actually working incrementally too the stark difference being that we are getting incremental victories while striving for abolition as opposed to "pro lifers" who have incrementalism itself as the goal.

[@uniqueNewyork_]

​@@thehobbyisttriesRefute the claim! Don't just say "wrong". Any videos or sites that disprove this comment or the abolitionist arguments in this video? Thanks!

[@indepthdiscussion7670]

This is an incorrect summation. The prolife kids goal is not incrementalism itself, why would any pro-lifer aim for that? He is simply saying that they will take whatever wins they can have given the conflict of the moment. 2,000 babies saved are better than none at all.

[@crw662]

I find it weird to say that pro-lifer’s goal is incrementalism. I am not sure where you are getting that from. Pro-lifers are trying to get to an end goal through small victories because small victories throughout the way saves a lot of lives.

[@seeqr9]

@@crw662 @indepthdiscussion7670 It is not inaccurate at all. I’m not talking about the everyday person who calls themselves “pro life” were referring to the pro life lobby/industry. They’ve made it clear that they never intend to support holding women accountable and insist that they’re also victims. They’ve outright voted against bills of true equal protection. Unless you’re pushing for the equal protection and justice for the preborn by holding everyone involved accountable for murder, it will always be an incremental “back and forth”.

[@crw662]

@@seeqr9 That doesn’t make incrementalism the goal within itself though. You are getting caught up on trying to judge motives and intent that you are missing the big picture. It also fails to see that there are varying beliefs throughout the pro-life spectrum. I’m in agreement with you on what policy should be and that we should never vote against bills that get us there. But your judging motives and that’s where we fully disagree.

[@a.kay.c]

Thanks for making me realize I’m an abolitionist and not a pro-lifer

[@noleary1995]

Thank you for the long video! Please, if able, post more! We want to just observe these interactions and watch Truth be spoken.

[@MarshallllllllWalk3r]

You're a cultist.

[@Kiriko_Main]

love the long from content man keep it up

[@briancross9571]

The biggest problem with incrementalism is that it is sinful. It assumes we have the right to change what God said about murder.

[@Malhaloc]

The only incrementalism I'd be willing to accept is abortion being banned in all cases except rape and incest. That's the pro-choicer's biggest argument, but it's only like 1% of abortions. I'll take a 99% win and push for the other 1% after.

[@MarvelGamer2023]

@@Malhaloc Why do you think it's ok to chop up babies if the mother has been raped or the baby was conceived in incest?

[@Malhaloc]

@@MarvelGamer2023 I don't. It's evil. As, I said, I'd be looking to secure that 1% immediately after the 99%.

[@briancross9571]

​@@Malhaloc If Christian, you'd have to get God's permission to change his commandment (or just not care about God).

[@Malhaloc]

@@briancross9571 What commandment am I changing?

[@jessemitchem3880]

Being a Christian is harder than being a non-Christian, but the payoff is infinitely better.

[@astroterf.]

So grateful for the long video, thank you Mr Hunter! 💜🙏🏻

[@whodoyaserve]

I appreciate the thoughtful and respectful dialogue spoken here and now I understand the perspective and reason why the abolition perspective is significantly different from the pro life. Thank you and God bless all you all are doing!

[@thunderbambam96]

Can we just point out how civilized these chats are?

[@Malhaloc]

Man, pro-lifers sound an awful lot like pro-choicers when they have to discuss their positions. I never realized.

[@astroterf.]

They really do 😔

[@Malhaloc]

Pro-lifers are also unwilling to punish women who get an abortion. I'm going to assume you're telling the truth about them saying non-religious people can't be against abortion for valid reasons. I doubt they said that, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. If they did say that, then I'd ask what he means by valid reasons. I believe that someone who is non-religious can be against abortion, but if it's true that there is no God, morals are completely arbitrary. You make yours up, I make mine up, an abortionist makes his up, Ghandi makes his up, Hitler makes his up. There is no objective right or wrong without a mind higher than and prior to the human mind.@@thehobbyisttries

[@NewAge-6am]

Nah main goal for pro life is change the minds of people that abortion is wrong and convince them.Don't use it as last step as birth control pill and justifying my body my choice.life of even unborn child is valuable 🤧🤧🤧that is pro life is all about in my opinion😅😅

[@Luke-xt6pk]

@@thehobbyisttries What I assume Russell would reply to you with: Seems like you only siding with the pro-life movement out of spite. Do you only want to abolish abortion if the people leading the movement are nice to you?

[@Luke-xt6pk]

@@thehobbyisttries "Im not going to allow my perspective to be misrepresented by an organization" okay... so are you an abolitionist or not? You don't have to be part of an organisation to be an abolitionist, though if you are, you should support the movement in some way (which I'm sure you do -- even watching these videos helps :)

[@ginabidlack4765]

This is a great conversation.

[@kevinjackson4933]

You've really helped me clarify my views on abortion. I want to thank you for that (I'm gonna donate too, and I encourage everyone to! This is an org you *know* is doing good in the world!)

[@MarshalWalk3r]

Slavery is good?

[@heatherfeather4000]

Fifteen minutes in and I was like “huh, I’m an abolitionist”. I never really knew what an abolitionist stood for. I’ve followed students for life for a while now and didn’t realize the differences of the two viewpoints. Thanks for uploading this video.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

The intellectually weak are easily manipulated and influenced.

[@justdanthankyou6399]

​@ReligionIsEvil She didn't say she was convinced in 15min. She said she realized that she was on one side of a debate she didn't know existed before the video based on beliefs she already had. Intelligence involves more than ideological identification with new atheism.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

@@justdanthankyou6399 The intellectually weak are easily manipulated and influenced. Your last sentence is comical and I'm stealing it as a new example. "Intelligence involves more than ideological identification with new atheism." Can anyone other than this guy tell me what they think this means?

[@justdanthankyou6399]

@ReligionIsEvil You misread the comment while mocking OPs intelligence. Simply claiming 'ReligionIsEvil', thus identifying yourself with The Science TM / my ethics come from pure reason / I believe the evidence crowd, does not make you an intelligent person. Reading sentences correctly is a good place to start. After that, consider questioning the assumption that the majority of the world is evil because they hold different beliefs than you.

[@justdanthankyou6399]

@@MarshalWalk3r and the comment is gone before I could send my reply.

[@gowsif_dnb]

Glory to God ❤🙏

[@MrE073]

Get educated so you don't waste your only life to superstition

[@gowsif_dnb]

@@MrE073 you assume I'm uneducated. Interesting.

[@MrE073]

@@gowsif_dnb yes, because you use superstition, only ignorant and scared people believe in god.

[@MaryJones-rx3my]

@@MrE073 so i can fall in line with the intolerant woke religion based of hedonist stuperstitution and the surrender to corrupt wordly powers? no thanks.

[@TheRealRealOK]

@@gowsif_dnb. He also thinks a women not having an abortion when she wants is forced birth. He probably thinks men can be women, too.

[@deborahhall.abolitionist476]

I think these students are truly getting it

[@MarshalWalk3r]

They're learning to hate.

[@captainuseless2120]

@@MarshalWalk3rIn what world is human rights a form of hate?

[@MarshalWalk3r]

@@captainuseless2120 What?

[@captainuseless2120]

@@MarshalWalk3r It’s called the right to life. Every human has it. Human babies are by definition, human.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

@@captainuseless2120 human babies have nothing to do with abortion

[@victorrene3852]

This video made me realize im a abolitionist and that the pro life argument is really weak and squishy.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

Another oatmeal brain

[@lovetr8159]

Wow this comment was so much better than that 1.5 hr of argumentation. I’m sure their mind was changed back after this comment. 🥴

[@MarshalWalk3r]

@@lovetr8159 abolitionists hate the word "argumentation" there are thousands of comments doing that Maybe it's just because a black kid said it. Christians are notoriously racist.

[@taram9409]

I feel the same, I'm glad to be an abolitionist!

[@ChristinaBiasca]

I was always an abolitionists, however it was only after finding your channel that I realized it. Thanks for what you do!

[@AbolitionistsRising]

Happy to help! And praise God!

[@justgopherit3454]

I wish I was 1/10 the man you are. God bless you Russell!

[@deborahhall.abolitionist476]

Great communication w the students

[@taylore22]

Love this thoughtful discussion. I agree to abolish it and I absolutely agree to criminalizing abortion. I really liked the pro life movement, but then came across your channel and had so many convictions as a Christian. What do you say to those Christian’s who would try to find a middle ground or compromise? Like I had a Christian tell me “yeah but you’re not going to be able to abolish abortion” or essentially a mindset of we have to take what we can get or work up to things.

[@nwerd7584]

Those are the ones universally hated I think, cherry-pick what they like and leave the rest yet still get a moral superiority high type of deal. I grew up hating religion in general because of those types.. Now I'm not religious but I see many many benefits in it, and how its good for the community. Those are the ones who would drink like a fish yet hate any and all other drugs. Its all or nothing in almost all scenarios IMO. The perception they have that prescribed meds are ok but illegal arent, its the same shit. and Id argue the prescribed stuff comes from a more evil source.

[@MrE073]

Women own their bodies and a baby's right to life doesn't include the power to gestate in someone else's body against their will. And no, you don't lose ownership over your body because you had sex and got pregnant, bodily autonomy is an inalienable human right.

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

You agree to force your opinion? If only you had a right to do that ...

[@stevendouglas3781]

Tell them they don’t have faith in God. They’re in this weird practicality mindset. Where you need to bargain with the devil cause God’s not coming.

[@stevendouglas3781]

@@MarshalllWalk3rhonk honk.

[@steed3902]

the true definition of a right, is something we all are born with that costs others nothing!

[@victorvolobuev507]

Of American constitution and the rights therein, the cost was paid for in blood during the war for independence. Rights and freedoms does not remove responsibility and consequence

[@steed3902]

@@victorvolobuev507 due process

[@MarshalWalk3r]

That's not at all correct.

[@mnmmnm925]

That’s a bad definition. A child has a right to food even if it costs his parents time, energy, and money to provide it.

[@bigguy2128]

I feel like the pro life position is the reason why Israel (The biblical ancient Israelites) kept returning to Baal worship during the times of the Kings. Like yeah we should probably stop worshipping Baal like our fathers did...... but we can't tear down all of these beautiful altars and groves we built. Never.

[@HappySlaveOfChrist]

And they become addicted to compromise

[@stevendouglas3781]

I think it’s a major spiritual block. The truth that millions of women in our society are kinslaying murderers is not something people want to accept. Acknowledging it means massive changes need to be made to prevent this from ever happening again. It’s also an unholy fusion of marxism and chivalry. Where women are just viewed as the innocent good guys. Period.

[@MrE073]

Religion is a cancer of the mind, even faith asks us not to use our reasoning, it's because scammers thrive on an ignorant and scared population

[@brando3342]

Oh my, dear lord, help me. These analogies are getting way out of hand 🤦‍♂️

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

@@HappySlaveOfChrist < addicted to self-importance

[@markpeirson7832]

The problem is people told are told a fetus is a “choice” and not a “child”. And it’s sad that so many see it as a freedoms taken and not a love for life

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

A fetus isn't a child. Reproductive slavery is a war crime. It's sad that facts elude you.

[@MrE073]

Loving life doesn't mean you get to deny women ownership over their body to force them to gestate against their will

[@markpeirson7832]

@@MrE073 the government isn’t implanting babies. I know you think every abortion is raped by a family member but personal choice is the cause of pregnancy I know it’s hard for you to believe. You’re killing life the “I don’t want to be bothered” isn’t an argument for me being wrong.

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

@@MrE073 < They don't love life. They love deciding other people's lives.

[@MrE073]

@truetranny people who restrict their abortion when girls are being diligent about their bodily autonomy. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@jimmyhands2729]

It’s amazing that this dude doesn’t realize that he’s just coming up with excuse after excuse to kill babies.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

Huh? Who's killing babies? I think you're confused, human rights abuser.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

but the pro=choice position is shared by many. You seem to think it's an odd aberration of some kind.

[@SimonPatrickLover77]

You have such honest eyes!! Thank you for all your work.

[@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177]

It is pretty obvious that enabling murderers in any way is evil... The people who have done evil need to repent and find forgiveness - incremental repentance is perfectly acceptable, but not by moving the goal posts of sin.

[@TheDTCory]

As someone who was involved with the SFL I was always an abolitionist rather than just "pro-life." I just knew that my views were very radical and didn't know anyone else who held my views in college. Abolitionists Rising is very refreshing and you guys say things I have not had the guts to openly talk about.

[@justinswayne]

SFL... Man I hate acronyms almost more than I hate rhetoric like "my definition" or "my truth". Why do you think people automatically know what SFL is. We dumb out here mang

[@TheDTCory]

@@justinswayne SFL is an official acronym for Students For Life, which is the prolife group that is the subject of the video.

[@justinswayne]

@@TheDTCory Ahh I thought it meant Sounds F'n Lame 🤣😂 🤦🏼

[@mitchallheady]

That should be a T shirt or a sign. “Murdering people shouldn’t be safe.”

[@stevendouglas3781]

Is like these people are in a hostage situation with abortion women. Like he feels compelled to compromise and negotiate to the point of losing everything.

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

What?

[@IJPhiloponus]

Standard Pro-life establishment approach.

[@thisslightlysweetlife3402]

Reminds me of Matthew 26

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

@@IJPhiloponus < "gotta be RADICAL and NEVER COMPROMISE or I might not feel like a winner" These choices reflect what you truly value and care about. Sad when you consider that compromise would "save Innocent lives." Why are you suddenly ok with "murder"? It's either no "murder" at all or you don't care, or compromise doesn't fit with your cult ideology because it's not self-aggrandizing? It's all very telling and very transparent.

[@CoercedJab]

@@thisslightlysweetlife3402I don’t get it

[@JTamilio]

It’s the difference between thinking you’re just supposed to pass SOME legislation, vs CORRECT legislation. I wish they’d stop passing law after law. You don’t need so many, just a few good ones!

[@Mrs.CGraves]

The pro abortion people treat the Student for Life, and Krista Hawkins just as bad and she isn’t using religious foundations at all. These people are THE FALLEN and we need to pray for them.

[@stevendouglas3781]

I think a lot of the attitudes in pro life come from a certain type of Christianity I’ve been seeing. That seem to think Eve didn’t sin, and leave her name out when discussing the fall. And subsequently if a woman I don’t know has an abortion it’s actually my fault because I didn’t find her, marry her, and convinced her out of it.

[@AbolitionistsRising]

You're right. There is a lot of overlap between the pragmatism and compromise of evangellyfish Christianity and the pro-life movement.

[@stevendouglas3781]

@@AbolitionistsRisingI deeply respect what you do man. Great stuff. You’re going to be in a history book one day.

[@Palestinian_holocaust]

@@AbolitionistsRisingare the satanic false Jews playing both sides

[@nwerd7584]

Thats related to the marxist based 3rd and 4th wave feminism imo.The revisionism touches almost every aspect of our lives now, redefining things from under us.. Its all according to the plan.

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

​@@AbolitionistsRising< Yo these freaks insult EVERYONE

[@carybeth]

Thanks to Russell and these videos, I have left the prolife movement and am now proudly an abolitionist. Thank you for the content. I pray it continues to change hearts like it has changed mine.

[@IJPhiloponus]

Get plugged in with other Abolitionists and get to work!

[@MarshalWalk3r]

Cultists gonna cult Russell seeing his life's work to repeal human rights being completely disregarded by America really must hurt.

[@IJPhiloponus]

@@MarshalWalk3r nice response. Very compelling.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

@@IJPhiloponus That's it? Come on, degrade me like your college kids. You must be drained after the defeat. You just don't have anything at all. No comebacks, No defense? A little too close to home I think. I expected better.

[@CassTeaElle]

"We want it to be gone altogether, we just don't think we can get there right away." This mentality right here is what changed my perspective of this whole debate. Because time and time again in this video, all I am hearing from these pro-lifers is a lack of faith in God, His plan, and His ways. Trying to regulate sin and sort of convince people to stop doing it so much, instead of preaching the gospel and repentance and having the mentality of a new creation, not the same man with slightly fewer sins.

[@Sonick92]

Republican governor candidate Tudor Dixon in Michigan essentially had an abolitionist policy on abortion. 20% more single women voted in 2022. 15% of them never voted before despite being eligible in prior. What do you make of the consequences that Whitmer is back in with Dana Nessle allowing and funding "clinics"? The correct position lost here and now I'm reaping the consequences of living here for other reasons.

[@padruigmacrodain]

Since when does LifeSiteNews compromise with anything? I don't know a single LifeSiter that wants to do anything but abolish abortion completely. I regularly check in with LifeSiteNews, I'm a Latin Mass-attending Roman Catholic and I want abortion completely gone both in my home country, the Republic of Ireland and the whole world. I resent the idea that genuine pro-lifers want anything less; I certainly do and everyone I know and respect do.

[@Inkbludd]

I live in SD. We need this.

[@pw8741]

Start it. :) AR can help. Another org that has experience getting things going in states and churches is End Abortion Now

[@cdhastings4537]

This has been so eye opening, not only on the issue of abortion, but sin in general. I very much appreciated the example of pharaoh using incrementalism in an attempt to keep the Israelites in bondage.

[@minagelina]

I really think from a Christian perspective, a logic perspective and from a strategy position, the abolitionist side is correct. Christians should not be supporting any form of evil. He really convinced me at that point as a Believer. As far as the stance about "nothing's gotten accomplished in 50 years," he has a good point. Also in terms of logic, the pro life side has a bunch of straw man arguments that can be circumvented in the name of trying to gain support. If we slam abortion pills, they'll just find a way to contain the hazard instead of stopping abortions. If we say heartbeat bill, then they find a way to Pooh Pooh the heartbeat as we've seen or say that it's fine before the heartbeat. If we say health of the mother, they expand what "health" means. It's time to stop these games and just be consistent and firm. The UK ended slavery by abolition. We can do this too.

[@Rendelwood]

This is eye opening. Calm, rational, factual and persuasive. I need to adopt the tone in this video when trying to communicate. However, I am 32 minutes into it and my attention span is being tested. I really liked the Chess game with the devil analogy. I will watch more after a short break.

[@coolbyfar]

love these videos man, please upload more of these

[@crw662]

There are definitely differences and these are important, but I also think it’s important that we all work together to outlaw abortions where we agree, and then continue dialogue where we disagree.

[@sdh4557]

This should be good🤔 just to clarify, I would have called myself “pro-life” before meeting you on KZbin.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

Now you know you're a fascist.

[@Rose-xm4og]

I also thought I was staunchly pro-life, but I also believe in capital punishment, and didn’t know that pro-life is against it. But thank you for this channel. I do believe I’m an abolitionist.

[@anniehendricks8678]

Your ministry is a God send. I appreciate you and what you are doing. I also held the views of an abolitionist but call myself a pro-lifer because I didn't know the term nor fully understand what pro-lifers believe. Thanks for speaking Truth to all. God's best to you and yours.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

Fascism 101

[@bgqueens6635]

Man, I was a total incrementalist, but I’ve been rethinking the effectiveness of it for the last couple months and this is ENLIGHTENING. The historical references for an abolitionist strategy is intriguing!

[@Jesus_is_TheWay]

Make more long videos like this please!!! 😊

[@perfectlyharmless]

Great conversation. Life is worth it!

[@dansand6813]

Tyfys. Your logical arguments strengthen my resolve and faith to serve

[@dmitrioehling]

Here we go!

[@Jesus4youforgiven]

Such a great conversation here and I enjoy listening to you so much. You are very informative and I love your faith and how hard you go for Christ!

[@stevendouglas3781]

The kid he’s speaking to creeps me out. He’s a great example of the pro life movement’s obsession with compromise. To the point where he unironically uses the terms “criminalize women” “gender affirming care” and calls abolitionists “radicalized”.

[@nwerd7584]

funny those people say "compromise" when its on the opposition's turn, never theirs.. they rarely compromise at all.

[@stevendouglas3781]

@@nwerd7584 yup. Pragmatism is the rationale of the coward.

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

Only idiot extremists fear being adults while denying their own radicalization.

[@MarshalllWalk3r]

@@nwerd7584 < You assume compromise is weakness.

[@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177]

@@MarshalllWalk3r He said "compromise"

[@DoulosChristou97]

I see so many similar comments already, but I feel compelled to agree that I also was staunchly Pro-Life, having never heard of the abolitionist position, or even an argument for it. Having found this page and watched hours of content, I can say I am firmly an abolitionist in my view on the evil of abortion in America.

[@richmondpennokee]

Rachel spittin 🔥

[@HappySlaveOfChrist]

Haha🙈 now I gotta go back and listen to what I said😂

[@MrE073]

@@HappySlaveOfChrist Get educated, we closed the bible and took the teeth out of religion during the enlightenment age more than three centuries ago, now you can't kill people because of your superstitions, and we live under a secular government. Now we also understand that you can have an abortion because you own your body and not even a baby with the human right to life, a human that you put in their situation, has the power to use your body without your consent. It's not that hard to understand that abortion ethics are about the diligent use of bodily autonomy if you really care about the humans involved.

[@stevendouglas3781]

Absolutely. Very impressed.

[@CoercedJab]

@@HappySlaveOfChristkind of a weird username tbh

[@chriscooter5429]

The male student is so well read on the issue. Kudos to him!

[@CoercedJab]

YAY FULL VIDEOS

[@patrickharris5917]

I think you’re awesome man. I think you are a great representation of a man of faith. You are very inspiring to me as I am really trying to walk that path truly. Thank you.

[@Martonesdef]

Praise the Lord of the living!

[@MrE073]

Toxic superstition

[@Martonesdef]

@@MrE073 Mothers murdering babies and fathers abandoning babies is a toxic reality. Not all that worried about my believing in the God of the living being viewed, by you, as toxic superstition. 🤷🏾‍♂️ But thanks for drawing more attention to my praising of Him. Maybe more will follow, despite being followers of "toxic superstition". God bless!

[@moniquedalla863]

I’m pro life which I believe everyone life unborn all the way to elderly No one should be murdered because they are unwell. God created all of us and it’s one of the Ten Commandments Praying for more conversions to Jesus and to stop abortions 🙏 Keep up the good work speaking the truth especially to the youth

[@jamesgoyette810]

So Kristen Hawkins refused to talk with you? That seems strange. Is she against abolition? I would be very interested to see her debate/discuss this with you. I generally like her and her arguments as well. However, I am an abolitionist. I still think she is fighting for our side and doing a good job along the way though.

[@AbolitionistsRising]

Yeah, she has refused to debate and consistently misrepresents us whenever she talks about abolitionists. We have a long history with Kristan Hawkins. She has consistently held the position that we must not criminalize abortion. She thinks mothers should be universally and always exempt, which means abortion will never be abolished. As long as abortion pills flow through the federally regulated mail, women will be allowed to murder their children with impunity.

[@jamesgoyette810]

@AbolitionistsRising thanks for the reply. I feel special. Lol. I really appreciate your work, and I agree completely. It baffles the mind how abortion is viewed in our society. These poor women are brainwashed into thinking that abortion is no big deal. Till it ruins women psychologically, and they struggle to recover or move on. While I feel for any woman in a precarious situation who is pregnant and feels stuck... murder should not be an option for getting out of that situation. We never should have made contraception legal and so easily obtained. It had ruined our society, and getting back on track is much harder than it would have been had we never gone off the rails in the first place. God bless. 🙏 🤲

[@austinmccollum4168]

I appreciate the difference. Abolition all the way!

[@WiseAsSerpentsHarmlessAsDoves]

Praise the Lord

[@MrE073]

Sauron? But the ring was destroyed...

[@mattmenkee4381]

I love watching you guys, I feel like I need to up my work on what I believe and you guys are truly inspiring in this

[@Sher7061]

Question. How do the Abolitionists feel about criminalizing the pharmaceutical companies for producing abortion pills ? Would that not be the only way to stop the abortion pills online ? I agree with the abolition of abortion 100%. Do you think there is another way to stop the pills ?

[@marcuscook3852]

You really don't understand the organisations you associate with, do you?

[@Sher7061]

@@marcuscook3852 I was asking the question because he asked for questions in the comment section. It is a genuine question. I had not heard my specific question addressed. Not that I needed to explain myself after your sarcasm, but I thought I would anyhow.

[@marcuscook3852]

@@Sher7061 My question was rhetorical, so I wasn't really expecting an answer.

[@yajnunez]

This was such an eye-opening Amazing video. Totally changing my views from pro-life to abolitionist. Thank you so much.

[@matthewweisser]

Great video!

[@whocares11222]

I love an honest conversation. This was amazing to watch. Thank you to everyone in the video. God Bless

[@MichaelAndersonShow]

You see through the bs. Youre a smart guy

[@GuardianNative]

We don’t have the resources? God will provide. Labourers, open doors, platforms, funds, and everything we need… according to His riches and glory. Don’t ever give the devil a stronghold!!. Thank you Russell. Again I am very happy bc it was again worth the watch. I will be showing everyone I know who will listen. God bless you and your entire team. 🔥🔥🔥

[@IJPhiloponus]

This is a Very encouraging comment!! Thanks!

[@GuardianNative]

@@IJPhiloponus you are very welcome! God bless

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

it's not clear what 'resources' you mean. Arent there too many folks in impoverished, third-world nations who struggle to have their basic needs met?

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

@@GuardianNative If your God (allegedly) hates abortion so much, wouldn't he use his 'divine' powers to make sure that women only get pregnant when they are ready, eager, and willing to bear a child? If that was the case - i.e. no accidental or unwanted pregnancy ever happened - that would automatically reduce the abortion rate to zero, with no further 'activism' needed. Sit on that thought for a while. Have a nice day.

[@SkyClears]

I’ve always said I’m pro-life and I’ve never heard a prolifer say they are for any form of abortion. If somebody said they are pro-life and for any type of abortion at any level, then I knew they’re lying about being pro-life and are actually pro-choice.

[@Fabermain]

Many of their arguments can be boiled down to this; Dont you think its better to pander to them than being honest. And thats only at at 27:14 min that ive noticed that. I guess it stems out of curiosity to learn how to persuade others. instead of letting the arguments stand for it self.

[@Sonick92]

What do you make of the Tudor Dixon loss for governor in Michigan in 2022? She had an abolitionist stance and it drove 20% more single women to the polls compared to previous elections where they were eligible.

[@Fabermain]

Honestly. i do not have an opinion at all about that. im not an american. Im A danish Dane in Denmark my political system isnt as free. we have no election for prime minister.. im just here for the rethoric. Oh and that fact that its murder to kill a child in the womb, no matter who wishes for it or commits the act.@@Sonick92

[@martinciglenecki526]

Gloria tibi domine. Thanks for this wonderful, thoughtful conversation. Eye opening

[@JMBBrasil]

A conversation between you and Lila Rose would be great! @LilaRose

[@MarshalWalk3r]

Grifter v grifter

[@JoJoRacer]

I went to see a speaker from the Equal Rights Institute and he said we cannot write bills that say all abortions should be illegal. He said that ectopic pregnancies sometimes require an abortion and he said it was disingenuous to not call it an abortion. What is a good argument against his point? Thank you for all of your hard work! I love your channel. You have taught me a lot!

[@mikeh1066]

Ectopic pregnancies are not abortions in the sense that it is an intentional targeting and murdering of a living baby. In the cases where it is (.01%) that would be an abortion and it is never necessary. We should rather practice watching and waiting and have the doctor work toward other alternatives

[@jseehowitsbeen3177]

Ectopic pregnancies are not viable pregnancies. They will end in death for the baby and woman if left in the ovarian tube. A baby left in the womb for the durations of pregnancy grows and develops and then results in delivery and continued growth outside the womb.

[@cliff7201]

There is no good argument against that point. The speaker you're referring to is correct: it would be disingenuous not to call it an abortion in the case of ectopic pregnancies. Even though an ectopic pregnancy cannot develop into a healthy baby, it is still a pregnancy because the fertilized egg has implanted and begun to grow. An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus. So since an ectopic pregnancy is technically still a pregnancy, and the treatment for this is the removal of the embryo, it would technically be an abortion. This is why the position of "no abortions ever, for any reason" is an untenable position. There are some *very* rare instances where an abortion is medically necessary; ectopic pregnancies being one of them. This is the basic framework that should be used when evaluating when abortion is acceptable: when the competing rights of the individuals are of equal priority, only then may preference be given to one over the other. So apply this to the case of abortion out of convenience. The two competing rights are: bodily autonomy of the mother and right to life of the child. Since the two competing rights are unequal, the higher priority right takes precedence (i.e., abortion is unjustified). In the case of ectopic pregnancies the two competing rights are equal: right to life of the mother and child (because an untreated ectopic pregnancy will kill the mother). In this case, preference can be given to one since the rights in question are equal and there is no single clear determination on which person's right takes precedence. Ectopic pregnancies are not a problem for the pro-life position because there are some *very* rare instances where it is necessary while still recognizing the basic human rights of both parties, whereas the position of "no abortion ever" is untenable because it does not account for these situations.

[@thisslightlysweetlife3402]

@@cliff7201 That's not true though. Abortion by definition is the intentional, unnecessary (not medically necessary) killing of the embryonic human with the goal of ending the pregnancy. The reason for ending the pregnancy is because the human is not wanted, full stop. Ending an ectopic pregnancy is the necessary ending of the embryonic life to prevent the deaths of both mother an embryo even when the embryonic human is fully wanted. Intentions matter. We're basically arguing semantics here. There needs to be another word other than abortion when both will die if a medical intervention that may end the pregnancy must be used.

[@cliff7201]

@@thisslightlysweetlife3402 "abortion by definition is the intentional, unnecessary...killing of the embryonic human..." Incorrect. You're adding elements to the definition that are not present so as to create a distinction that does not exist. Here is the definition of abortion: "The deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy". Notice how the definition of abortion is not contingent on its medical necessity, nor the intent behind it. This is because abortion simply describes the act of artificially ending a pregnancy; it does not speak to, nor involve, the intent behind the artificial ending of a pregnancy. Abortion can be performed for selfish reasons or for medical reasons, but both are still abortions because they're both simply the deliberate termination of a pregnancy. It seems like you're inserting an additional motive component into the definition of abortion in order to try to reconcile the fact that you're against abortion, but also in favor of a woman receiving lifesaving treatment for an ectopic pregnancy. The thing is though, as I laid out to the OP, you don't have to do this. You can recognize that in 99.9% of cases abortion isn't justified, but in the case of ectopic pregnancies it is, all while not having to distort the definition of what an abortion actually is. You're correct that we're arguing semantics, but semantics matter because they form the basis of our understanding and reasoning. My reasoning is predicated on the straightforward definition of what an abortion is, which allows me to formulate my arguments and conclusions in a consistent and effective manner especially when talking with someone that disagrees with me. Do you think you'll convince someone who's pro-choice when you're altering the definition of abortion in order to come to your desired conclusion?

[@ltlizott1]

Is there an article or any sort of written material that spells out the beliefs of the abolitionist movement compared to the pro-life movement?

[@IJPhiloponus]

Peruse AbolitionistsRising.com See particularly, The Norman Statement.

[@CoercedJab]

The Ten Commandments

[@bleutooth1000]

Finally! The long version

[@Milton_Friedmanite]

I’m a little confused. I started an SFL club, I’ve worked with SFL, and everyone I know from SFL are abolitionists, as I am.

[@IJPhiloponus]

Did you watch this video all the way through and not find yourself arguing for similar things that the SFLA guys argued for?

[@Milton_Friedmanite]

@@IJPhiloponus no

[@woodrowcall3158]

@@Milton_FriedmaniteWhat does that tell you?

[@Milton_Friedmanite]

@@woodrowcall3158 that like 2 people in SFLA share different views than everyone else I’ve come across, worked with, and experienced in my time with SFLA. So, nothing. That’s like me arguing, “I found a video of 2 abolitionists who argue that abortion pills are okay. So the entirety of the abolitionist movement is therefore okay with abortion pills.” While you are telling me that hasn’t been your experience with the vast number of abolitionists you’ve worked with, and come across. Kind of a silly argument..

[@Milton_Friedmanite]

@@woodrowcall3158 and I think most “pro-lifers” are abolitionists. I consider myself a “pro-lifer” always have, and I’m in favor of abolition. I’m also in favor of pragmatic legislative action over no action. I think it’s silly to say, “I am not going to vote for this bill because it isn’t my ideal bill to a T, it’s only 99% my ideal bill, or 60% of my ideal bill” then absolutely nothing will get done.

[@mathewelledge6649]

Just commenting to help you with the algorithm. Keep up the good work

[@bobh6728]

Around 24 minutes into the debate, it was said that if an abolitionist bill was brought up, pro-lifers would be against it. The pro-lifers that I am around would be all for that bill. The different I see is that if a bill came up limiting abortion from where it is currently, pro-lifers would support it, but abolitionists would be against it. Legislatively, you try to get the abolitionist’s bill passed, but don’t fight against something that is less. Here in Michigan, with Prop 3 passing, all of the restrictions on abortions are being erased. For example, abortion clinics would have no regulations for safety. I don’t think it is wrong “legislatively” to protect women that may not know any better because of being brainwashed. The message always needs to be, this is murder. But do everything possible to save even one life. In Michigan, it is estimated several hundred thousand babies were saved by the efforts to restrict abortion as much as possible. So which one of those lives is the most important. The one that became a doctor? The one that got married and raised a beautiful family? The one that built houses? The most important one is THE NEXT ONE! If that one is saved by an imperfect law, I don’t think they would complain. This is a bad comparison, but look at government spending. You have three choices; spend irresponsibly, spend wisely, reign in irresponsible spending at much as possible. “Legislatively” try for spend wisely, but don’t sabotage efforts to reign in spending. So I am not against the abolitionist. I am also not against the pro-lifer doing everything they can. If a pro-lifer were to be against an abolitionist bill, I would not agree with them. We are fighting the same fight. Luke 9:49-50 may apply here. Luke 9:49-50 KJVS - 49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. Regarding slavery be abolished, importing slaves was made illegal in 1808 with little opposition. I don’t think abolitionists opposed it, even though it definitely didn’t go far enough.

[@IJPhiloponus]

It is an empirical fact that prolifers have opposed abolition bills in multiple states. when an abolition bill made it onto the floor in Louisiana, 72 of the nations leading pro-life organizations got together and wrote a letter of opposition to criminalizing abortion and got that state to reject abolition and go with pro-life, incrementalism and regulation instead, and that’s why abortion remains legal in Louisiana.

[@lukericker8325]

The problem is that those lives you think have been saved are actually vastly outnumbered by the many that are lost by allowing the continuation of abortion for decades. It’s not a “win” to let states decide if they should have abortions or not, because all that accomplishes is a societal mindset for the next few generations that “it’s up to the states”, and some states inevitably become abortion havens. (just imagine if slavery was handled that way instead of abolished). - TLDR - you “reduce” abortions short term by allowing it to exist long term. The numbers stack against you.

[@iluhvyouxoxo.]

Awesome video

[@trustusjones6430]

Really liked the back and forth

[@churchofinfiniteknowledge1608]

I'm pro choice, and very much atheist, but I've been bingeing this channel because I believe in pursuing all knowledge and arguments available. Very good for that purpose, thank you for all the hard work.

[@sweatt4237]

Why are you pro-choice?

[@stevendouglas3781]

So you’re spying? Lol

[@nwerd7584]

@@stevendouglas3781 yes, but this is a chance to convert the braindead. lol

[@nwerd7584]

Im athiest but an abolitionist, keep watching man.. You'll learn Russel is a wordsmith and will change your perspective even as an atheist.

[@stevendouglas3781]

@@nwerd7584 you’re still atheist? Do you believe in objective morality? Doesn’t the horror of abortion show the reality of evil?

[@jamescook5617]

"Safe legal and rare is the technical statement of the prolife position". BOOM. I felt that.

[@cooldude71120]

I don’t understand the comment you made that pro-lifers are okay with abortion at times. I’m a pro-life Catholic and I don’t know of any Catholics that are pro life that say it is okay in any situation. You are excommunicated if you commit an abortion or procure one according to church teaching so that is a false statement you made about Catholic pro-lifers.

[@stevendouglas3781]

“Okay” in the sense they don’t treat it as murder. There’s moves to stop clinics from functioning but there’s no moves to punish the women. Either for having the surgery or taking the pill.

[@stevendouglas3781]

Being excommunicated is bad but not everyone is Catholic and that’s a far too small price to pay for murder.

[@cooldude71120]

@@stevendouglas3781 Yes, we do treat it as murder. We’re literally on the same side. Who told you we don’t say it’s murder?

[@cooldude71120]

@@stevendouglas3781 it’s not if you’re Catholic you can no longer receive the sacraments… which is extremely bad if you’re Catholic.

[@Chicagostayscoldd]

@@cooldude71120I’ve listened to a lot of prolifers. Ask a regular prolifer if a 21 year old was scared so they aborted the baby, are you willing to put her in prison for life?