REVIEW: Everything Wrong With A 6.8 Ford Triton V10

[@DEBOSSGARAGE]

Anything we missed? What should we review next? Leave a comment! Also big thanks to @Lunar Outlaw’s Garage who provided us with the only image of a 8.0 Magnum V10 on the internet… he swapped a 8.0 Magnum in a 81 pickup if you want to check that out!

[@LunarOutlawsGarage]

Thank you very much for the shadow man I appreciate it. I don’t know that’s wrong with the Triton V10 but I can tell you the magnum v10 is an absolute nightmare. lol besides the fact that they weigh a gazillion pounds, there’s no aftermarket support.

[@rhekman]

Just a little constructive criticism, with the mic setup or the audio mix, it's kinda hard to hear Scott with how soft spoken he is. On the whole though, great video. Interesting about the offset rod journals on the crankshaft. I've seen V6 engines with a split angle between opposing cyclinders, but they still use a full flanged webbing and narrower connecting rods. The design of the Triton V10 makes sense with maintaining commonality of pistons, rods, and bore spacing with the rest of the Ford Modular engine family.

[@iceman45ification1]

I've been following these guys here. They're using 4 Cobra DOHC 4 valve heads to fit onto a 6.8 V10. Looks like they might actually get it to work. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmjTZ5mZd699aas

[@tastitas3]

You're saying the V10 3v is still in production when it stopped in 2021

[@billrahr6573]

Great video! On the split rods and balance shaft: For the modular production line, Ford wanted to keep tooling common amongst all engines so a 90deg bank angle was required. For a V10, 5 journals with 360deg divided equally comes out to an ideal bank angle of 72deg for achieving balance. The solution, like with V6 cranks, is to split the pins to get the desired 72deg of separation from one bank firing to the other. This isn't a perfect solution, hence the balance shaft.

[@christopherdesbaux5950]

Don't feel bad Ford, if someone made a video about everything wrong with me, it would be much longer than 20 minutes.

[@Odghunter]

It’d be a 8 part mini series for me ! 😂

[@NotJo4Ever13]

@@Odghunter mine would have seasons… 😅

[@kbnguy]

@@NotJo4Ever13 Would that be netflix adaption?

[@HotForgeChaos]

We still haven't forgiven Ferd fur putting those abominations made by Shittystar in their trucks

[@frankz5864]

You’re still running though.

[@almagana5824]

You can helicoil any engine without removing the head. Bring head to it's lowest point then fill with shaving cream. thread head helicoil then turn engine over to blow out all shavings! It works and I haven't ruined an engine in over 40 years!

[@nearenuff8796]

For anyone who cares, the reason for the split pin crank is because ford used a 90degree vee angle, I'm assuming so they could make them on the same machines they use for v8's. The 4 stroke cycle happens over 2 revolutions of the crank, and you want the cylinders to fire at equal intervals for smooth running, so for 10 cylinders over 720degrees would be a 72 degree phase angle. Ideally that angle would be achieved with a 72degree vee (or 144deg) meaning they could use a shared journal crank, but as they went with a 90deg vee they had to offset the crankpins by 18degrees to get it right

[@FrankieJames7]

Driving 4 answers has a really good video explaining crank timing

[@smpstech]

You're assumption is correct, the engine family is called modular due to the tooling being modular and can be swapped over to different engine configurations quickly and easily.

[@simonilett998]

Basically the same reason the 90° Chev 4.3L V6 has a split big end journal crank. It's essentially a 90° 350ci V8 just missing 2 cyls. So given a V6 is best suited to a 60° or 120° block, the 90° block throws in a curve ball👍

[@ChevyConQueso]

It really is a shame they just didn't add 2 more, base it on the 4.6, and give us a 420 c.i.d. 90° V12 instead. Perfectly balanced at any vee angle. How cool would that have been? Even if 5.4 based, the 7 mpg unloaded would definitely be worth it.

[@sp33d4l0l]

You see the same thing on the V10s in the Audi S6, RS6 and S8, as well as the original Gallardo's 5.0 V10. Interestingly the 5.2 in the later model Gallardo, Huracan and R8 uses a crank with shared journals, so it's an odd-firing engine not unlike the Viper's V10.

[@DrGibs347]

Hell yeah!! I put a 6.8 v10 in a 1980 foxbody in 2001 was the first of its kind, everyone said its impossible and it won't fit, boy did i prove them wrong.

[@DeusTex-Mex]

All those 2v modular engines were kinda passed over by the aftermarket, I think the design wasn't well understood at the time and it was hard to develop cost-effective naturally aspirated go-fast parts for it like they did on the earlier pushrod motors. Takes a lot more money to bump up the power on one of these than an LS. That's why they usually just stuck a supercharger on them and called it a day. It's funny everyone hated on 5.4's so hard back in the days of the spark plug blowouts, but in retrospect they ended up being one of the most reliable engines Ford made with a 21-year production run and few major design changes. Considering the multitude of major design flaws we see on all modern engines I think I can give them a pass on the spark plugs. They also sustain high-mileage usage far better than Small-Block Fords ever did.

[@anthonyrowland9072]

the problem with a 2v is the 4.6 just didn't have the inches and the 5.4 had a almost flathead like bore but with a longer stroke than a 454.

[@0778drz110]

The bore was much smaller compared to older V8s that americans are used to. They dont flow as much air in a 2 valve head. That's why ford went to 3 and 4 valve heads to get more power. Even the aftermarket 2v heads didnt flow that great. The valves were too small. The only way to get decent power out of them is boost.

[@ajmedeiros77]

Drive my 5.4 2 valve 2004 super duty hard every day. Never had a spark plug issue in 19 years so far.

[@OxBlitzkriegxO]

no, the 2v cylinder heads weres were total garbage, nothing more. its pretty easy to get 450whp out of a n/a 4v 4.6. it does require a rebuild but its easily possible. the bonus for that is that you can just add boost anytime you want because you dont need 12:1 CR to make tons of power.

[@anthonyrowland9072]

@@OxBlitzkriegxO ford tried to make power with a overhead cam 281 by revving it to 5700 rpm.

[@jmsjr4jmsjr5]

My 02 F350 V10 has just over 450,000, had it since new. Lots of highway miles and towing. Still running good. A few sets of plugs. A few coils but all original.

[@alexkalish8288]

you change your oil ! Bravo -

[@rodshuffy4045]

The 2000 and up V10 have a plastic lower intake plenum. My Kenne Bell kit came with an aluminum lower to attach to the upper intake. The 1999 V10s came with a cast AL lower intake plenum. The plastic cannot take the boost so you should look into a 1999 lower for your build.

[@PompiisGarage]

I bought a 2005 Excursion ex cop vehicle. It had 410K km, and had a blown head gasket. After pulling it apart I could still see crosshatch on the cylinders! After milling one head 7 thousandths, and replacing the timing chain guides and tensioners, it ran like a top. It had the PI heads which fixed the spark plug blow out problem. You forgot to mention the timing tensioner problem: plastic crap that warps and blows out the seal. Upgrade is the metal tensioners. Also not mentioned was the exhaust stud breakage problem. I had 12 studs break off! Grrr.

[@johnsnow1355]

Pretty much every 2000 up engine has that problem of exhaust studs breaking. The Hemi, ls and ford engines all break the heads off the exhaust studs.

[@ALAPINO]

LASER welding is a significant part of my daily duties: If I were dedicated to that cam shaft idea I would LASER weld them down with a filler with similar characteristics to the parent material and hardness. A pulse solid-state LASER would have no problem binding them with minimal affect on hardness to the critical areas. But that's just my conjecture, not being a camshaft expert. If it didn't work, there are plenty of stock camshaft floating around to start anew.

[@yucannthahvitt]

I think that, because of how little material that lobe and hollow shaft actually is, the HAZ will compromise the lobe no matter how you weld it, unless you go out of your way to sacrifice penetration for less heat. There's also the worry of residual stresses bending the shaft out of true if you weld it.

[@LitheInLitotes]

It was an age of LASER.... It was a...............................LASER AGE

[@michaelreynolds1904]

If you put a built 10 speed GM/Ford transmission behind that, you could set the shift poits to keep the RPMs down and keep the torque on the ground and the crank in the motor.

[@alale923]

That just sounds cool too! V10 with a 10 speed!😂

[@rjk7104]

@@dotlaj Car's name could be Tintin

[@cumbob]

10 speeds are damn good if you can afford them

[@Texas21Texas]

I agree 6 speed manual is fun but to me more gears from the 10 speed should produce better numbers?

[@TylerDuysen]

i would prefer a manual he can control the shift points with itt too also he wouldnt need a built ford 10speed the ford 10spd holds 1000whp factory and hes not making anything close to that and the ford 10speed also holds 1500tq(the newest 6.7 tq numbers) so i think hed be fine with a stock ford 10speed

[@rmkilc]

The split crank is because they used a 90° V to share commonality with the 5.4 and 4.6 V8 engines while still having an equal spaced firing interval. A 10 cylinder engine would have to have a 72° or 144° V in order to have an equal spaced firing interval with a normal crank. Most V6 engines are 60° and the reasoning is the same; it's so they have an equal spaced firing interval. There are some old 90° V6 engines like the 4.2 Ford Essex that use a split crank for the same reason. *The other method is to have an unequal spaced firing interval, like the Dodge Viper and some German V10s, which is why they sound different.*

[@JimBronson]

With the coil on plug ignition it would be theoretically possible to change the spark timing with the electronics, if a normal crank was made for the Ford V10, using the unequal spaced firing interval you mention. Goes back to a lack of aftermarket support. You'd get a lot more reliable high power/high RPM operation that way, but you wouldn't be able to use the stock electronics.

[@rmkilc]

@@JimBronson Don't forget camshafts. You would need different camshafts.

[@JimBronson]

@@rmkilc I view that as less of a challenge than a custom crank. You can send Comp a new OEM camshaft and they will custom grind it to your specifications.

[@JG54206]

I have actually wondered why the viper v10 sounded so odd.

[@johnsnow1355]

​@@JG54206it's called side pipes 🤣

[@derekschaefer6625]

Best vehicle I ever owned - '99 f250 Super Duty V10, towed with it all acrossed Ontario. As long as I did the manifold studs and gaskets every couple of years, it was great!

[@nou8257]

Bet you couldn't pass a gas station tho

[@andy123441]

Lol every couple of years, yeah that's not that good.

[@ZGryphon]

This is kind of like saying "my health is great, as long as I have heart surgery every couple of years." :)

[@shize9ine]

Yes, that’s the joke here boys.

[@FishFind3000]

@@ZGryphon manifold gaskets aren't that big of a deal compared to everything else. The engines still operational with bad exhaust gaskets. If it was head gaskets or transmission issues then It would be bad. Your not opening the engine up to fix this so I dont see it as that big of a problem. Once your doing internal engine work then its an issue.

[@97marqedman]

I’ve got a 6.8 in my crown vic - not at all an unusual or rare conversion, but still makes me smile every time I open the hood.

[@Mitchell1776]

What did you have to do to put the 6.8 in your vic? Im looking at doing this kind of project myself, cause ive only seen one person post a video on it, and it wasnt a very detailed video lol

[@sategllib2191]

I mean it's pretty rare haha. How's it drive?

[@Mitchell1776]

@@sategllib2191 the whole reason i wanna build one is because its not common lol. In a world of LS swaps, lets build V10, stick shift crown vics haha

[@Joel-ew1zm]

My dad has a 2000 excursion with the v10. Has around a quarter million miles. Blew a spark plug many years ago. Also has had some random losses of oil pressure out of the blue, but it still starts right up and pulls strong to this day, although he doesn't drive it much anymore. Replaced as a tow rig by a 2017 ram 2500 cummins.

[@deliciousgixxer3670]

The v10s if and only IF they are maintained properly , are one of the best engines available. I got 490k on one an 390 on my other. But they dont last 150k it seems if they are ignored

[@rp1645]

YES, always did my service on the set miles. Had my 2000 V-10 for 22 years. NO issues. The only reason I changed her was I wanted the Duramax Engine with Allison 10 speed. I have two Detroit Diesel play toys one being a 353 and the other an 8V-7.

[@mmardell9262]

It would seem most engines don't last if ignored. My brother in law had to put a new motor in his Toyota because he didn't change oil like he should and the piston rings wore out prematurely and it lost compression. He just opted for a new Toyota and is still not doing the maintenance. 🤣

[@kiyamanus3723]

@@mmardell9262 yeah I worked with a guy who had a old Toyota car and the only thing he did was put gas in it for 8 years never once changed the oil or even checked any fluids and then sold it.. Said it ran just fine but I definitely felt bad for whoever bought it.

[@lmt-adventures620]

What kind of service do you mean? Just oil change?

[@deliciousgixxer3670]

@@lmt-adventures620 oil changes every 3000 miles, spark plugs iridium every 50,000 , general maintenance asap an on times. Etc etc

[@MicroOrginisum]

@deboss garage The 3valve and 2 valve are essentially the same. The V10's never came with cam phasers on any version and was still SOHC even in the 3 valves. I believe the cam phasers were mainly emissions components for lighter duty vehicles

[@scottangus9412]

Thank you he just assumed it was like the 5.4 3v .

[@scrubnick]

The lack of cam phasers on the V10 is due to the balance shaft that is driven off the cam. The balance shaft needs to always remain in phase with the crankshaft in order to work. If you advanced the cam timing, you'd advance the balance shaft and make it a vibrating monster.

[@jayman4095]

Pretty cool to see these V10 engines being talked about. Also the guy traveling around in his truck who specifically only does re-threading spark plugs on cylinder heads still is common side hustle here at Illinois Wisconsin boarder.

[@DodgeMan360]

I work for a Provincial DNR, Most of our F-550 wildland firetrucks have the 6.8 V10 in them. Very thirsty, but pretty impressive power for the amount of weight they push around (fully loaded the trucks weigh about 15 000lbs.)

[@farmdude]

Crazy to see my content used in your video. Glad to help. Gotta get the spark plug inserts the pickup is still running strong. 3:46

[@DEBOSSGARAGE]

Awesome!

[@bat__bat]

Haha it's a small world. I was just watching 'i do cars' disassemble one of these. I have quick story about this engine. I was in a trade school for electrical generators and we were looking at in-use generators at certain homes. Well this big house had a blue generator like an Onan. Not sure if it was. Well the generator teacher took a look at the machine front and back with a group of us. We fired it up for a while and shut it down. The owner wanted to know if it was ok, did it need any maintenance? The teacher said no, it's really well maintained. But, teacher asked, when's the last time it had spark plugs changed? Owner said hmm idk. Teacher told his assistant, hey go ahead and order 8 spark plugs, let's move to the next house... I said, "whoa wait, 8 plugs? You mean 10 plugs." Mind you this is a group of 15 or so men, most with automotive or electrical backgrounds. The assistant looked at me and looked back at teacher, he said to teacher, I guess we should order 2 extra? Teacher had a confused look 🤔. I waited to see if at least one other person in the group noticed it was the Ford V-10 6.8 as the prime mover on this gen. No one said anything. After a few seconds the teacher looked at me, why 10 spark plugs? Everyone in the group was still confused. A few of them said just get 8, why would you need extra? And I looked back at teacher. This time he had a shit eating grin on his face. He got it. He said, "tell em why!" I said that's a 10 cylinder engine, where'd you all learn to count? And as they all walked back to the machine to count the plugs, teacher said, "now there's an important lesson. Your worst mistakes will come from assuming."

[@JuniorJunison]

Your teacher is right. A very valuable lesson that will pay dividends in the future.

[@josefrobbins8781]

One of my favorite truck engines! Thank you for covering this underrated gem of an engine, and by underrated I mean not enough love or aftermarket support. If anybody is interested for Triton V10 content, I'd highly suggest Build it Yourself's Channel. Those guys are building a 4 Valve heads for a Triton V10, and making it a high performing monster!

[@LitheInLitotes]

Favorite engine? Don't be a fool

[@josefrobbins8781]

@@LitheInLitotes Read the first six words, don't be a fool.

[@LitheInLitotes]

Fords should have a buy back program where their metal is melted to make Cummins engines

[@josefrobbins8781]

​@@LitheInLitotes Yes, and?

[@qx4n9e1xp]

Thanks, I'll check it out.

[@lpete2766]

I love it when you feature his machine shop . true engine machine shops are a dying breed their are not many people left that really know what they're doing . i'am 68 ys old and i remember many in my area .i only know of two that i would let them work on an engine i was rebuilding . soon there will be one near me closing . it is a three generation shop started in the mid 50's and they always did everything right when they close their doors it will be a sad day .

[@gt-37guy6]

One of my favorite cars was a 97 Crown Vic Interceptor I bought when I lived in San Diego. It was a retired City of SD car, and had 88 k miles on it. It was at a small dealership in the east county. Smoothest car I have ever driven and that motor was tight and wanted to Rev. I don't know what the story was with that car but it was very strong for a 4.6. It did not have limited slip but would deliver nice 10 ft plus dual patches, and occasional 2nd gear shift chirps. It was a match with my brothers Magnum Hemi 5.7 wagon dragging up to 100 mph, the Ford would lose off the line and catch up by 100 mph. It walked away from a mid 90s SS impala on Interstate 5 at 4:30 AM after the day I bought it, we were doing 135, and I grabbed an exit and whipped back around. When I got back on the Hwy i saw the CHP had a early 70s Lemans pulled over, poor guy was trying to chase the Impala and the Vic and was tagged....talk about a morning adrenaline boost. Bought a later 2002 interceptor years later and was sorely dissapointed. It was not nearly the car that 97 was.

[@huntersrauwolf]

I was the maintenance guy for a fleet of ambulances running these engines. They are fantastic. The beatings myself and my fellow paramedics put these engines through (and still do) we should never be forgiven for. They run and run and run, just a bit thirsty. 7mpg for a V-10 vs about 9.5mpg for the new 7.3 V-8.

[@05111605]

I had one of these in a work van in Canada. Murdered the living daylights out of it everyday delivering skis. Sat on the limiter, fully sideways wherever I could go. Started in minus 43c even not plugged in. Only downside was it cost the company 120 dollars a week in fuel for not very many miles....... Dunno why...

[@jacobnelson9655]

I built my v10 about 10 years ago. Stock crank is forged from factory, I used Manley rods and pistons from a 5.4, ported my heads with bigger valves. Took a lightning intake manifold and added 2 cylinders to it so it has the air water cooler, got a billet adapter so a gt500 blower would bolt right on and everything looks factory! I have a 4.0 whipple blower the throttle response is insane. I usually run 15lbs of boost with methonal injection but I have it at 20psi right now.

[@motormouth2472]

Do you have a video of your built V10? Sounds sick

[@alb2571]

Yes please, share a link to it

[@petergisel4864]

I have an '03 f-250 with the V10. Amazing engine. Unloaded once I'm up to speed you never have to move the gas pedal(metaphorically speaking), it just goes. I get about 12mpg which is the same as my parents got in the '02 GMC 2500hd with the 6.0l. towing my 9k travel trailer I get between 8.5 and 9.5mpg. I've towed the same trailer with my sister's ram 2500 with the 6.4 v8 and they both get the same mileage but the V10 is just smoother on the highway. The v8s seem high strung and want to rev, the V10 just sits at 2200rpm at 70 and just cruises.

[@jokerforever11]

Great video and some of the best pictures of the the split pin crank. I’ve been trying for years to explain to folks what it looks like and why it’s a problem. You summed it up perfectly and provided great visual aids. I’ll be linking to this video anytime that question comes back up.

[@ryanaxberg9263]

My dad has a 2006 f350 with a v10 triton. He has sure liked it, the first engine went around 230,000 miles. We took it apart and didn't find exactly what went wrong with it. Put another used engine in and after 10,000 miles or so it started knocking. We looked into it and found that it broke a valve spring and the piston was hitting the valve. Put a new valve spring in it and it has been fine for like 20,000 miles. It gets 9-10 mpg and personally I think sounds pretty dumb, but it does seem pretty problem free. Although it does get babied.

[@moisheplatinumberg6016]

I'd love to see an Everything Wrong With episode on the 2 stroke Detroit Diesel 71 series. I know they're not really on the road anymore, but there are still tons of them out there working. I live on an island, and for most of the 20th century and up to today, these engines are the soundtrack of everyday life here. We all know the obvious problem with them (oil, oil, and more oil leakage). An old man here used to say you could hang a picture of a Detroit on your wall and you'd still have to put a bucket under it.

[@therealboofighter]

I feel like this is a forgotten engine.

[@kxlucifer]

i feel like we in usa should remember no replacement for displacement a v10 in a small car the way !

[@NBSV1]

I think because it didn't get used in any well known performance stuff it got overlooked. And, the overall external size of it makes people shy away from it. They're pretty good in most ways for a moderate performance deal. But, if you could fit that engine you could probably fit a more traditional big block with even more displacement and more power for less. I think that's one of the biggest reasons the OHC Ford engine haven't ever really taken off as engine swaps like the LS stuff has.

[@Hanzyscure]

The v10s were a bust in the fleet trucks. The higher cost of maintenance and poor gas mileage turned off the big rental and fleet buyers looking to crunch numbers in their budgets.

[@Unnamed_Player01]

It's about to be, we still have a bunch of them in e450 coach vans but the new ones were getting now have the new 7.3 gasser, seems really nice but I've heard they have premature lifter and cam failure. Wonderful.

[@stevenrochelle2238]

we still have 6.8 v10s rolling off of the f250 assembly line today. I am looking at one right now. It is not forgotten.

[@daboenterprize8265]

I’ve personally have owned 4v10 and still have 2 and they’re beast can wait to see you guys build this !!! I’ve been wanting to put the 2000 250 drive train in 69 F100 and a super charge it 💙💙💙💙

[@Kryptkeeper911]

Always excited when I see a ford v10 build. There’s a lot of potential in those motors that most people don’t see

[@mikewest712]

I have always thought with a little head work and exhaust a lot of power could be found.

[@stevenvanheel3932]

I’ve had a few of these trucks come in the shop- the most common issues why were (obviously) exhaust manifolds/studs/gaskets and rotting out the oil pan or dipstick tube. Luckily these engines come out the front of the truck pretty easy so you don’t have to pull the cab like you would on a 6.0. That definitely saves the customer some money.

[@dodgeguyz]

Pulling the cab is easier and faster than pulling the front of the truck apart

[@stevenvanheel3932]

@@dodgeguyz not quite…. I can have the front end of a 7.3 truck off in less time then it takes to remove the cab on a 6.0 truck.

[@heith85]

The split pin crank has been in Lambo v10's. The ford v10 crank snapping was from people throwing on boost with factory management. Then getting knock and preignition then breaking the crack

[@Modlendingen]

There is something special about the V10 engines, the sound is extrordinary! And this one is gonna be nice with blower or turbos :)

[@duncanelizabethandvictoria6916]

I love these "everything wrong with" videos! Another great one. I'll watch anything, but very anxious to see an "Everything wrong With" the Ford 6.2 HD V8.

[@kyletallman9990]

I have a V10 foxbody that’s twin turbo. 7,000 rpm all day. It is a drag car. I’m using the 3V.

[@f250acr007]

These videos you all keep posting keep my projects rolling. I change parts up and parts like most change their underwear . I can never be happy with what I got. But I get out there and work on quads , trucks and modifications to keep my projects changing . Can't wait to see what this year brings your channel and my projects 🤙🏼

[@packerman1203]

I read up on the development of the viper engine and the team. They wanted to see if they could reuse a lot of parts from the magnum v10 but it was a much different application than what the viper was supposed to be. So they went down basically the opposite route and made the engine for power instead of torque. That shows in the redline for both engines, the viper being a lot higher than the magnum, and it shows in the construction of the engine, aluminum vs cast iron. Really the only similarity between the magnum and viper is the fact that they are both v10s, and thats about it.

[@benf8487]

My old man had a 2010 v10 F-250 and it ran great. We put 100,000 miles on it working the farm. The only issue we had were 2 coil packs going out and body rust. No issues with the core engine components or trans. Excited to see the what it does in the mustang!

[@SpikeKastleman]

100,000 miles? That's it? That just sounds like nothing to me! Lol. But I'm a broke joke, so I tend to have old old cars. 🤣

[@owendodman3037]

@@SpikeKastleman Yeah but body rust on a 2010 too

[@SpikeKastleman]

@@owendodman3037 I live far above the rust belt, so I understand that 100%. But I have noticed newer (2005 is newer to me 😅) cars are rusting much quicker.

[@owendodman3037]

@@SpikeKastleman they don’t make anything to last anymore, you wouldn’t buy another one

[@actualnatural]

My 03 Excursion has 220k and runs awesome.

[@kromsplod]

My little brother and I put a 2 valve per v10 in a 5th gen mustang and learned a lot from it as far as what things work with another from the different vehicles. In the 5th gen with the right parts it's basically a direct drop in (granted there's all the wiring). If you guys are looking for a supercharger for any reason apparently there were very few out there made specifically for the 2 valve but finding them is really difficult. Also the Oil pump is kind of weak for the engine upgrading it helps a bit too since most the time these engines tend to get run out of oil or ran really hard.

[@hajileserpud9539]

Interesting !!! So give us some info. Did you go straight exhaust with no catalytic converter or did you keep catalytic. ? Any advice on making more power that you guys used ? And lastly any advice for doing a V10 swap ? ... I have 3 V10 engines I'm contemplating on swapping into a Toyota Mark 2 shell and I also have a RX7 with blown apex seals I've been thinking of swapping out too, please help

[@kromsplod]

@@hajileserpud9539 before you really get into it I advise buying a oil relocation kit for the 4.6 since that will fit on the v10 and remove the oil cooler filter housing piece that gets in the way for using a 4.6 engine mount (with slight modifications if that's the route you wanna go). The mounts that go in the trucks are a bit clunky but can be used for different applications. the early v10 2 valves only had pre cat O2 sensors so it makes it easy to get it running in the first place without a tune or catalytic converters. we just did 2.5" collectors to 3" with an H pipe to super 10 mufflers and then straight out for now at least, we do plan on running a full exhaust later on after we put a ford explorer 8.8 rear end instead of the 7.5 from the v6 model (we're wondering how long the 7.5 will last). The 3 valves are a bit more efficient with the intake design to my knowledge so for fairly obvious reasons it makes more power. you can actually get simple tuners for them and run I believe up to 20 ish more hp than factory? I could be wrong maybe more or less. I know the right CAI and exhaust with a tune would help even a little bit. I would say a better intake manifold design but that isn't really a cheap option even if you do it yourself and there isn't any aftermarket support but maybe soon? I would imagine with it being optimized it could make a decent amount over stock N/A. Also any transmission that a 4.6, 5.4, 5.0(I think?) will bolt up to it. so far we've run into the issue of the engine runs almost too cool even during 90 degree weather (32.2 Celsius) but that could be a result of a larger 3 core radiator and the fluid dynamics of slighter smaller hose sizes. these engines like to run at higher temps we find. Somewhere around 205-210F.

[@DrGibs347]

I wish there was an update video on this project.. would Love to see more on this.

[@andrewrussett1907]

My v10 excursion has 472000kms on still running strong!! Was scared to get it at first but it's been amazing

[@jdtractorman7445]

I had a 2V 5.4L in my 98 F-150. The thing was rock solid for me with zero issues. I'm aware some people had the plug blow out issue. I asked a Ford tech I knew back then, and he said he had one blow out that he fixed in a V10 motor. I remember when I changed the plugs in my 98, it was the first time ever I used a torque wrench on plugs.

[@1oddtech]

IIRC Ford's V10 in a mustang was a 5.8l based on the 4.6 internals with DOHC heads.

[@david929190]

I've got a 6.8 in my 1998 F250. The trucks only got 165 on it and oozes the 90's with it's all blue interior.

[@danieldoroff6723]

The split plane crank is because it's a 90 degree v between the banks. It would have to be a 72 degree v between banks and then you could have a regular crank... It all comes down to engine balencing

[@VerticalGamingStudio]

This ^

[@AK_Ray]

And the factory, FORGED, split pin crank is not a weakness!! So much internet speculation about this that never came to fruition. I've been working on and in love with this engine since 1999, and have never once seen a broken crank, or had creditable anecdotal evidence of one either.

[@t.n.tgarageandperformance]

The Magnum V10 has shared rod journals and a 90° cylinder bank, runs smooth as a baby's behind...

[@michaelswart9236]

I saw on a forum to look up callies cams for a custom crank, you'd need ported heads with titanium valves, custom intake, and 5.4 forged rods. Don't know if any of that helps lol

[@Wbfuhn]

I met a mechanic who had good things to say about the 2 valve Triton engine. Today conversion kits are being made and sold for the blocks of the 2nd gen. One of my plugs popped on me and the mechanic put a steel threaded sleeve in mine. Couldn't rethread it.

[@johnpeters9793]

You got a time-sert, which is the preferred and permanent method for the plug repair....though I've seen helicoils work.

[@eformance]

Make sure you get the newer roller followers, that seems to be the major fault of the 3v motors -- extended maintenance intervals (lack of maintenance) lead to poor oiling of the rollers and caused them to jump off the valves and many would drop a valve after that.

[@blainelashley2120]

i drive an 03 f350 with the v10 everyday at work it does a pretty good job for its age.

[@ericwilson2585]

I'm not real familiar with the Ford V10's but I do know that the Dodge V10's have a rather terrible connecting rod length to crankshaft stroke ratio to be a good high RPM engine, but for a low RPM high torque engine it works great. But with the Ford, if you got the engine out and you're going through the entire engine anyways, just rethread all the plug holes and it should be fine, I'm guessing? But that's just like with the LH2 version of the Northstar engine; everyone hates it with a passion but, if you're putting it into a street hot rod then just put in the Northstar Performance's head stud and main stud "bullet proof" kit into it, put in a good set of valve springs and you've got an engine that will rev safely to 8500 RPM every day, all day long, even under 16 lb of boost. Oh yeah, cool video guys, finally, somebody's building something different, something other than an LS swap......

[@kurtisharrington6015]

I actually just bought my wife a v10 excursion and have not really found any real performance upgrades. Definitely will keep watching to see what you guys do here!

[@2strokeFORever]

I love these videos deboss. I have very little experience and knowledge of the triton v10 so this was pretty sweet

[@adamgrosskreutz7546]

I have a 2v v10, and I always thought the 3v were a better enging because they were like the 3v 5.4 without the phasers

[@brad3139]

triton v10 is a great engine, cool tear down fellas. hope you keep us up to date on this build!

[@robh.8214]

I miss my 2008 F350 with the 3 valve V-10. Pulled like a beast, but NEVER passed a gas station when towing. Not bad mileage running empty on the highway.

[@TheTruthBeToId]

With these new transmissions like the 6r80 or a 10r80 it would make these v10s alot more efficient compared to the 4speed 4r100 they had back in the day on these heavy duty trucks.

[@WhoThisGuy515]

@@TheTruthBeToId I'm swapping a 6r80 behind my v10 right now. I'm not expecting more mileage though as the top OD gear is basically the same ratio but with the low 1st should make getting going much quicker.

[@2ndMomentumGarage]

Curious what mpg you saw on the highway? About to go look at a 2009 F350 with the V10 in the next couple days

[@FZ6Lucas]

Yeah please keep us updated on this project. Really enjoying this idea

[@PeeterPuncher]

It's refreshing to see someone with engine building knowledge say something is decent rather than listen to Rich and his opinion on how "bad" it is.

[@edwardbrown5389]

My v10 needed roller followers at 140k miles, now has 275k. Gets 13 at 65mph. I recently hauled cattle 100 miles to sale barn, total gross weight 27k, at 65 mph 9 mpg, 04. It's been a good pickup

[@billygilbert1542]

I have a 99 f250 396k..5 speed manual and to this day she still my DD.. EGR Delete..4 inch exhaust gotta love that raw crackle n pop when decelerating!!

[@wyndnra1n]

The 6.8 v10 2v, much like the 4.6 and 5.4 2vs, are basically as bulletproof as they come.

[@brucerae5522]

You two make good videos looking forward to the next one

[@ACEGAMER120]

Definitely going to be following this. Been wanting to V10 swap a Mustang for several years now but been hesitant to put any effort into it for several of the reasons listed in this video and this video was very informative for the others.

[@kenzdubee3394]

get a used engine from a motor home thor used ford v10 allot 1999 1998 is the best i think other than the plug issue but low miles makes that a mute point so very low miles and they are plentiful so cheap cheap is a win win

[@ACEGAMER120]

@@kenzdubee3394 My main issue is the split-pin crank that greatly limits the max RPM it can safely operate to which puts me off a little bit. Sounds like everything else can be addressed.

[@isaakwelch3451]

@@ACEGAMER120 build for torque and put highway gears in it for your top end

[@ACEGAMER120]

@@isaakwelch3451 My issue isn't speed. I just simply don't want a gas engine that can't be revved much higher than a diesel

[@isaakwelch3451]

@@ACEGAMER120 if not for speed then why does that matter? It's lighter and makes better hp than a diesel, what does it matter what it revs to?

[@DanielThomason1]

My 99 non PI headed (W) engine had the balancer on the left bank. The PI headed 01 I took out had the balancer on the left bank too. The 6.8 are identical to the 4.6/5.4 with the difference being the additional cylinders and bore and stroke on the 5.4/6.8 was identical. The 4.6 was smaller.

[@scottmortland7255]

I’m excited for this build series, my plan is to put a V10 in my 75 F150 and the amount of info out there is scarce. Most of it is “put a Coyote in it.” No. I don’t wanna.

[@camojoe83]

Scared of carburetors or what?

[@dooby1445]

@@camojoe83No one is scared of carbs lmao

[@shotokanjoable]

My v10 excursion had 420,000 miles . No blown plugs ...no issues at all . Maintenance is key. The spark plug problem is due to changing plugs with engine hot and over/under torqued.

[@paulmoso2375]

Nice to see a skilled engine builder

[@michaelbenoit248]

I’ve seen guys put these in place of 6.0 Powerstroke motors in stock power, saw one in an OBS, & one in a bullnose.

[@FoolOfATuque]

I figured this would be a short video, because there’s not much wrong with them lol! I do remember when they put a V-10 in a mustang as a test and they had drivetrain issues. As you guys pointed out in the video these are torque monsters and it ripped the drivetrain apart. I imagine Ford thought there wasn’t money in it and abandoned the project. So as a production car it didn’t make sense, but that’s the beauty of a custom build. You don’t have to worry about warranty, aftermarket support, or any of the worries Ford would have if they produced something like this.

[@GrandPitoVic]

This is great!!! I was going to put a V-10 in my 03 Crown Vic but I was running into the same problems as you and it scared me so I scraped the idea. I am going with a 4.6l 3v. They put out the sMe power as the Marauder 4v. The problem with them is the followers and phasers. I'm going to find a work around for it. I've seen people push the 3v to a thousand reliable horse power. I'm not trying to be the next Street Outlaw so my engine will be way under that lol. Great build guys. I can't wait to see the build.

[@alb12345672]

I wonder how a 6.2L would do in a crown vic. Had my 6.2 F150 and 98 marquis next to each other, the 6.2L looks a bit too big...

[@GrandPitoVic]

People have put it into a Vic.

[@WhoThisGuy515]

@@GrandPitoVic 1000hp with aftermarket rods and pistons and oil pump gears, all stock your playing a dangerous game past 500hp. The phasers aren't an issue just buy some after market cams and phaser lock outs (not limiters) and remove the CMP form the intake. A tune on the 2v computer and your done.

[@GrandPitoVic]

Yes sir, thank you. Lock outs are better. I would like to use the VVT but not with aftermarket cams and such. Lol. Pick and choose. Can't have everything.

[@markdavis8888]

I proactively installed all 10 CalVan inserts into my F-450. Cost about $300 and a day of easy work. No blowout for me. I also replaced the PCV hose with fuel hose and the exhaust manifold with a Banks.

[@LamontFamily]

Anyway you are able to do a review on the Vortec 8100? mainly the vehicle applications.

[@1234597114]

I own a tow company with several F450/550 trucks split between 6.7 diesels and Triton V10s that run 24/7. I have had good luck with my V10s. Better than the diesels. I really keep up on the maintenance and don’t tolerate drivers being hard on my trucks. Most common problems I hear of is valve train wear. I’ve had to have the rocker arms replaced on a couple engines. They start ticking. The upside to this that the parts ( Ford ) are really inexpensive! The companies I hear of that have the most problems in my area are the ones that slack on the maintenance and allow the drivers to beat on the trucks. I’m phasing out the diesels and going all gas trucks. The V10 has been replaced by new 7.3 and I’m not looking forward the 7.3s. I’m close with the truck tech at my local Ford dealer and he has filled me in on a lot of problems he has been seeing with the 7.3 already.

[@BrickBike]

I had an 08 F350 with the 3 valve V10 as a work truck for 10 years. Had 140k miles on it and literally the only thing I ever did was replace and alternator, plugs and wires once, and changed the oil. I can only hope my new 7.3 does as well.

[@searlearnold2867]

Timely video ! My experience with Triton V10's. ( Check out Metric Mechanic -Richland Missouri for info on the hollow cams- they do BMW's with those and build NPTA engines). My neighbor had an F250 around 2002-ish. Gas pig, but huge torque. Had the plug issue warrantied, otherwise was a stout engine. I moved a relative with an F750 from UHaul last summer (2022) from Victoria BC to Edmonton AB,. Through the mountains I was surprised at how easily it climbed hills and it was more fuel efficient than I had feared. I'm a retired trucker, so I'm pretty impressed and my opinion is this. If you're thinking of buying a motorhome or shop truck/ tow rig with one of these engines, you may not need to do a diesel swap. Sacrilege, I know, I know- for a project, I would drop a 24 valve with a P-pump and an Allison in it too. Reality is, a motorhome sucks fuel only while driving, then sits for months in the yard or pits, campground or RV park, not travelling. You can pull an enclosed trailer to your local track cheaply enough. You'll never recover the swap cost, but you can get a decently powerful engine that does the job and because of the bad reputation of these engines, it seems like there are a lot on the market for cheap, cheap, cheap. It's all about spending money on the fun ride, not the one that is good at its' job already and easy to come by. Think I'll be picking up that motorhome and saving a bit of cash.

[@Adrianzx]

So the coil on plug 2v v10 would magically have a plug wire attacked to it when it fired off a spark plug? Also as far as I know these 4 thread heads were only around in the early years.

[@brandonwright6659]

My '03 2v V10 F250 was the most problem free vehicle I've ever owned. Sold it with over 200k on it and didn't do anything to it other than fluid/filter changes and one set of plugs/coils...not even a starter, alternator, etc. Nothing. Yes, it didn't make huge power and it didn't get good MPG, but it was incredibly reliable.

[@blackwidowsm]

Had one in a 2017 was one of best engines and 10 speed transmission gave it better mpg than similar gas engines. Was one of my favorites I used it for pulling a airstreams no complaints. Only thing that ever needed repairs was the heating fan which I must admit I abused during a cold winter not really a maintenance fault. No complaints from me. Would buy again!

[@SforSytosis]

I have one of these in my shop right now, it's a 2015 f550. It's got 43k original miles. It's broken a valve spring twice now! The dealership replaced the whole passenger side head one oil change ago, the new head broke another valve spring again and munched the valve. So now I'm replacing the entire long block, from Ford it took 2 months to get a long block. Very hard to get! Not sure if they have valve guide issues? Or what would cause the failure over and over with such low miles. Seems to be very common because it's impossible to find replacement heads.

[@ericcrockett479]

I had a 99 f350 with a v10 that was a ex-uhaul box truck. I bought it from uhaul and turned it into a flatbed and it had 267k miles of every Tom, Dick, and Harry driving it, and it didn't use any oil between changes, didn't smoke and was a perfect workhorse that I wish I would have kept

[@camojoe83]

Because it saw fleet maintenance.

[@ericcrockett479]

@Joe Blazer agreed but I am willing to bet it also did not have a easy life either

[@josh33025]

We had a f650 with a dump body at work and it towed great but it got like 5-6 mpg.

[@stevehei8035]

Can’t wait to see future work on this!

[@justanotheraviator2357]

I work with a fleet of 2019 Bluebird Visions with V10 roush Propane and they are really great engines, both driving and dispatch rates.

[@mjmcomputers]

Ford and Dodge both produced 90 degree V10s, Ford went with a split pin crank, Dodge went with unequal firing intervals which was a pretty neat solution.

[@rockguitarist931]

I'm a big fan of the SOHC motors that Ford was making back then, I've always wanted to stick a 4.6L and a 5-speed in something like a '63 Galaxie coupe.

[@chickenburger7923]

I have a 6.8 v10 in my 2005 f 250. I can't wait to see how this plays out!

[@tomcleghorn4005]

I’ve never seen inside one of those. Thanks for tour and the knowledge

[@VanH-yg3rk]

Great job on FORD 6.8 V10 Overhead Cam engine. V 2-4-6-8 and 12 all came up short of the RR V16. Triton V10, that thing is a beast.

[@devin3156]

I work for a moving company we have 26’ f-650 straight trucks. They are 18k lbs unloaded. We ride them full throttle 90% of the time not kidding. No issues after 90k miles on all of them and they all have the 6.8 V10.

[@Low760]

There was a supercharged V10 01' mustang cobra in Australia. Recently the shell was for sale.

[@cwcweldingfabricationandrepair]

I absolutely loved my V10 ZF5 Super Duty. It saw lots of daily driving, trails, mud and pulling. It was a blast to drive and a real work horse 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@jonnewton5929]

Always look forward to your ep's Rich. Great knowledge and understanding with the ability to explain for dummies like me. Cheers mate

[@PowerHungryPerformance]

Can't wait to see it come together! The V10s are often overlooked but were really decent for the time. Of course, we prefer the 7.3L Powerstrokes, but this will be fun to watch. What are you doing for the engine management and tuning on it?

[@tacotuesdey5618]

My current project is a 1971 f100 that I put an 02 triton v10 in im not gonna do anything after market to the motor but I’m glad to see someone else doing a triton v10 swap and I’ve got some pictures of it if you’d like to see some

[@Liemciemdk89]

2000 6.8 310k. Intake manifold gaskets, exhaust studs half broken. eBay headers 3.5 power stroke exhaust. Quart oil every 2k. Avg 10-11 mpg majority city. Love upgrade 05+ 3v v10

[@green41011]

My uncle a V10 F350, he was the original owner and only had 3 plugs come out, 2 on the same cylinder. Just upgraded to a new F350 after 20 years.

[@davidwojciechowski3787]

I had a one in a class a rv. It was on a truck frame. I got rid of it after fixing 3 spark plugs as I traveled upper NY state.