Debunking Flat Earth Memes: Dragonflies and Oceans

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Today on Debunking Flat Earth Memes we take a look at the famous power of gravity meme. It's a flat Earth classic. Enjoy.
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[@IceyJones]

to cite professor dave: oceans dont have wings

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

They have *rockets!* ; )

[@user-xh9pt8zu2l]

Oceans have wings but we call them evaporation. Pity the poor ocean that can't get itself airborne before parts come raining down.

[@kyzercube]

Flerfers obviously don't believe hurricanes are real 🤣

[@katieheys3007]

Haha when he says "Hopefully you've heard of rain!" He's so sassy!

[@user-xh9pt8zu2l]

@@kyzercube yes, you have to wonder what force would spin a storm on a flat earth disc. And also get the direction right depending on latitude.

[@MichaelSidneyTimpson]

Ask a flerf to pick up a piece of paper, now ask them to pick up a brick, now ask them to pick up a car. Notice how things weigh more the more mass they have? See that's how gravity works.

[@wilmathewisp8252]

He won't understand that. He'll say "So gravity can hold a car down, but I can pick up a piece of paper?" Then you will explain it to him and he will ask the same question next time.

[@frankowalker4662]

A better way is to have three identicle looking objects, one of foam, one of stone and one of lead. Then ask a flerf to pick them up in turn. LOL.

[@trainshavewheels]

​@@frankowalker4662identical

[@frankowalker4662]

@@trainshavewheels I'm old with a foggy brain, who cares. (lol). You get the point. 👍

[@pencilpauli9442]

Density The brick is denser than a piece of paper, but not as dense as the flatearther. That is how a flaterather can hold a brick. #JethroTull

[@robsquared2]

An apple experiencing the force of 1 Newton is hilarious.

[@caw25sha]

Looking at it the other way round, Newton experienced the force of one apple 😅

[@michaelmann7816]

I suspect that we've just been accidentally let in on a bit of physicist humour...

[@MrBiggles53]

I know! Right?!

[@marcsmart2820]

Some arrest this man he's giving up our inside jokes

[@RockinMonkey]

I found a 24cm stick bug this morning under my car. I picked it up and got to check it out before putting it in a large bush. Nothing to do with gravity, just wanted to brag. 😊

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Cool!

[@stuartCcash]

Awesome, I love stick insects/bugs. I have 32 species at home although got eggs waiting to hatch for another 7. Going to visit the isle of white next month to collect non native stick insects. take care.

[@JudasMaccabeus1]

take the bug out of your underwear

[@theldraspneumonoultramicro405]

cool, the best i've found here in boring sweden is only a 4 cm cross spider female and a few males smaller then 1 cm.

[@PenisMighty]

So you put your 11 inch stick thingy into a large bush this morning. Yes you reaaly are bragging arent you!

[@chrismaverick9828]

Remember that flerfers don't recognize gravity except when they say water finds its own level.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

How 'bout dat?! XDD

[@tristanridley1601]

They still don't have to recognize gravity. They think that's just a magic property of liquids, that they 'level' themselves flat. Once you're making up a universe there's no rules to limit you.

[@EfftupSmith]

@@tristanridley1601 No, not liquids. Just water. you only say water finds its level and the physics of water, as if water has physics different to every the substance. And then you have to say water doesn't bend , even though it bends in water droplets, and in rivers and over waterfalls.

[@melsop54]

Flerf: Rock not bark like dog! Not make sense! No globe!

[@marshalljarnagin9370]

No, because that's OBVIOUSLY acceleration from the earth flying upwards. ...Up towards what? That question doesn't even make sense. 🤣 Geez, they're so bad at this...

[@Simon-fg8iz]

How do they get stuck on "gravity is pulling stronger on heavy things" and argue that disproves gravity? That's literally what it is!

[@carloslaue1236]

Actually, gravity is pulling the same. The amount of force that changes because of mass. 😎

[@hashfors]

@@carloslaue1236not true..

[@CelliniCreations]

@@hashfors Oh? Please explain how F=mg works then. Does not the force increase as the mass of the object increases while the gravitational constant stays...well...constant?

[@rizzwan-42069]

@@carloslaue1236 gravity doesn't pull the same actually. Heavier things get pulled harder so they fall at the same rate. it's bc of inertia.

[@hashfors]

@@CelliniCreations I could go in to it but it will probably just pop your little 🤯 we come a long way since Newton generalised that vector, which turned out to be not true, but works for most things you look at ofc don’t let the apple hit you under that 🌴

[@rodrigosampaio1560]

So, they call gravity a magical force but believe that the flat earth was magically created and the sun and the moon magically revolves around...

[@OzoneGrif]

The sun and moon spirals around in a weird convuloted pattern that makes absolutely no-sense.

[@tristanridley1601]

Start with "Magic god makes universe and then tells you Perfect Truth about it". Then you'll be entirely immune to logic or refutation.

[@freezingcathedral]

God is Light. magic is illusion. at least read the book if you're gonna even attempt to be against it.

[@rodrigosampaio1560]

@@freezingcathedral I'm not against it, in fact I believe in God, just don't see the necessity to connect God with the shape of the earth

[@michaelburk9171]

It's not magic. It's, um, reasons.

[@ds_e5202]

What they can’t get a grasp on is that the ocean is heavy and hard to lift up *because* of gravity. They ignore that and say it’s hard to lift up so therefore it’s hard to pull down.

[@ohasis8331]

It's also hard to pick up cause it keeps running through your fingers.

[@respectdawildo_danjones508]

Just the fact that they’ve thought of an entire ocean 🌊 flying randomly is stupid and funny enough 😂

[@federicogiana]

Well, _akshually_ it would be hard to pick up even in zero-g. Inertia works with mass, not weight....

[@BlobRoss_splat]

@@federicogianait would be difficult to move quickly in zero G but very possible with slowly increasing force. It would just take a while.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@ohasis8331 Governor Tarkin. I should have recognized your stench the moment I was brought aboard. The tighter your grip on the ocean, the more molecules of water slip through your fingers.

[@distinctdipole]

I got faced with this argument by a flerf I can't avoid. My response was: "where's the ocean's wings?"

[@c.augustin]

My first thought exactly!

[@angelasmith3750]

That's funny!

[@xdragon2k]

Technically the ocean too can turn off gravity. Where do you think clouds and rain come from?

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

@@c.augustin My first thought was, "Maybe the flying fish could help." But then, I'm _baked._ ; )

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

@@xdragon2k God? _blink! blink!_

[@craftsmanwoodturner]

Every flerf argument: "I can't understand it, so it must be wrong".

[@michaelburk9171]

Flerfs state impressively large and small numbers But the don't use math. Cause like you said, they don't understand

[@RichWoods23]

@@michaelburk9171 Flerfs state impressively large and small numbers, and still manage to get them wrong.

[@SeanCrosser]

Worse, "so they must be lying" They inherently assume malicious intent.

[@vikj1255]

Exactly.

[@Markhypnosis1]

The only argument they have against this explanation is......that gravity isn't real, But density and buoyancy is. 🤣🤣. Not realising that buoyancy is only possible BECAUSE of gravity.

[@peterb7923]

The “Law of Density and Buoyancy” - I LOVE that law. “Denser objects fall to earth. Buoyant objects will float upwards” This explains why you can place a dense concrete block on top of a buoyant block of styrofoam of equal size and shape, and the buoyant styrofoam will float upward thru the concrete. When globers and gravi-tards were challenged to explain how this would happen - “They had no answer.” The law of density and buoyancy also aligns perfectly with the known facts that “a gas needs to be in a container” and “there is no outer space”. The earth’s atmosphere is just like the carbon dioxide bottle that fizzes up your soft drinks. The pressure is equal in all directions, all the way from the earth’s disc to the top of the dome that contains it, thereby disproving the myth of a pressure gradient that decreases at higher altitudes because of some invisible magical “gravity”. So by using the known laws of buoyancy and a uniform atmosphere, prominent flat earth researchers were able to ascend in a buoyant hot-air ballon all the way to the location of the firmament. It was then easy to measure the altitude and composition of the firmament. The laws of triangulation and a Nikon P900 made it simple to measure the altitude and diameter of the local sun. The composition of the local moon was impossible to determine because it was radiating too much cold light for the hot-air ballon to stay aloft, but it was obviously not a rock because rocks don’t light up. The explorers were also able to observe the mysterious dark body that creates solar and lunar eclipses. Predictably, it was lurking beyond the ice wall. Seeing beyond the ice wall was difficult because it was so distant from the local sun’s path, thus making it extremely dark. However, it was easy to see several continents of forbidden lands because you can see Chicago from Michigan. So thanks to the Law of Density and Buoyancy we now have conclusive proof of a flat earth and the all exact measurements and explanations that could ever be needed. They will be made public on an upcoming holiday called “The Rapture”. The date cannot be revealed at this time, because NASA. The Law of Density and Buoyancy is also in accordance with the well-known “Occam’s Razor”, which states, “The most convoluted and rat-f***ed explanation is always the best explanation.” Density and buoyancy is also a perfect demonstration of Godwin’s Law. Whenever globers have been asked how this could be - “They had no answer.”

[@OzoneGrif]

@@peterb7923 Buoyancy ONLY exists because of gravity. Try again, you fail.

[@tetrawaffle337]

@OzoneGrif pretty sure he was trolling lmao

[@alexhetherington8028]

This is what makes me laugh, buoyancy and density are just descriptions of how objects and gravity behave in certain situations. You need gravity to have buoyancy and density. It's like saying measurements are not done with a tape measure It's the numbers that do it.

[@Markhypnosis1]

@@alexhetherington8028 You're right about buoyancy, but not density. Gravity causes buoyancy, but density has nothing to do with gravity. Density is just how much mass is packed into a certain volume of an object. It'll still have the same density even if there was no gravity.

[@dentheman1797]

You can explain it, they won’t like it, they’ll ignore it.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

_Ra'men!_ 1. I explained that humans created all the gods. 2. They didn't like it. 3. They’ve ignored it. May gods b-less. ; )

[@michelvrauwdeunt8239]

We can explain it to them. But we can´t understand it for them.

[@JoeBob79569]

Indeed, because the only other option available to them is to accept the explanation, and this would have disastrous consequences for their ego because they'd have to admit they thought the Earth was flat, when it wasn't. And flatearthers, who think they're smarter than scientists, just could not handle that.

[@yourguard4]

Explaining "Newton" with an apple...I see, what you did there.

[@rickvancleve9995]

They conveniently don’t notice that when dragonflies or birds are NOT flapping their wings, they suddenly stop defying that imaginary force and plummet to the ground for some unexplained reason.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

AkShUaLlY... what about those bird that just hover in the wind or coast over thermals? HmM??? Sorry, I don't mean anything in that previous sentence.

[@teresacarey3269]

@@MonkeyJedi99 The bird in the wind has a wind speed equal to the speed of the wind and thermals provide additional lift which helps gliding to last longer.

[@aeonturnip2]

It might be worth explaining how this works for an individual molecule of water, which obviously experiences an incredibly tiny force of gravity, but the cohesive force attracting water molecules to each other which provides surface tension ensure that they don't just float off the surface of the ocean. Some do, of course, due to evaporation and the wind, but the bulk of the water stays together and therefore can be considered in large amounts as you calculated.

[@DestroyTeamAvolition]

And at Dragonfly scale air resistance actually helps them

[@tornagawn]

And they can’t grasp basic maths and trig, so, good luck!

[@noladavis5085]

Also how the density of air changes in relation to the size of the insect. If we were the same mass and size of an insect it'd feel like we were wading through a viscous liquid.

[@nasapayrollsystem8701]

I think you're talking about clouds here ..

[@mikefochtman7164]

Another bit of fun is calculate the speed and kinetic energy of a water molecule as you heat it. One finds that as you heat water, the average energy of molecules rises and overcomes both gravity and surface tension. I.e. it boils. Just have to apply some science and math but that's often more than those folks are willing to do.

[@cryptojihadi265]

Soooo something REALLY big and massive is heavier than sonething small and light?! Wow! That IS some SERIOUS cognitive dissonance.

[@wilcowiersma9465]

Don't forget that something small can be heavier then something big. Mind blown!!!😂

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

I once offered on this channel for any flathead to file a flight plan and get approval from the FAA using flat earth geography. I offered a cash reward for anyone who succeeded. No one ever tried to claim it. That should tell us all we need to know.

[@hippopotamus86]

Flat earthers don't understand that heavy objects are heavier than lighter objects.

[@tma2001]

and dead objects fly like a brick!

[@hippopotamus86]

The funniest part is they think the earth is accelerating upwards at 9.807 m/s², the same as gravity, the same rules would apply either way.

[@MLennholm]

@@hippopotamus86 I've been told by flerfs that real flat earthers don't believe that, that those who do are just part of the controlled opposition

[@OzoneGrif]

@@hippopotamus86 They don't think that. It could be a valable explanation, but they prefer the good old "Because God" instead.

[@waynemaurice9598]

@@OzoneGrif Actually some do. This is the thing, they can't even agree on their own model

[@anthonyj7989]

I live on the east coast of Australia and, as from today, there are big black clouds crossing the coast from the South Pacific Ocean and my mobile phone has been telling me all day that those clouds are going to cause flooding in the Shoalhaven River, which is just down the road from me - who said that water cannot fly.

[@tn_onyoutube8436]

Water VAPOUR can fly. But not water.

[@nalim27]

@@tn_onyoutube8436 Well it is still the same water molecules

[@tma2001]

@@tn_onyoutube8436 MIST can* * in the absence of convection or wind of course!

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Anthony, I am in 2541 too 🙃👎

[@DanielMWJ]

​@@tn_onyoutube8436Mist droplets can also fly. Anyone who has walked through fog or dust clouds knows that TINY PARTICLES can fly. But large, contiguous masses cannot without some significant (to us) form of propulsion or lift.

[@thomasowens5824]

When arguments run out insanity is all that's left.

[@randalscott7224]

Flerfs never had any arguments in the first place. Insanity is all they have.

[@thomasowens5824]

@@randalscott7224 But they are argumentative.

[@orangekayak78]

Oceans don't have wings and are heavy. Well I never. 😯

[@agingerbeard]

Shocking stuff. I need to sit down.

[@ExistenceUniversity]

Clouds

[@orangekayak78]

@@ExistenceUniversity are not oceans

[@ExistenceUniversity]

@orangekayak78 A cloud is as large as an ocean, scientists in atmospheric science does talk about it as a kind of "ocean"

[@waynemaurice9598]

@@ExistenceUniversity "Kind of" isn't is. They're clouds, not oceans

[@rstk4408]

"You have to understand just basic physics"

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

Grog fall down. Grog never fall up. Hmm. Make Grog think...

[@vallejomach6721]

👍 Thanks C.C.

[@alexbourdeau4438]

Bravo! But you realize, of course, that as soon as you pull out math a flerf's eyes gloss over and their jaw goes slack, eh?

[@h14hc124]

Using maths to convince a bunch of anti-intellectuals of the error of their ways... yeah.. might not be the best idea.

[@RichWoods23]

Slack? Slacker.

[@casperthefriendlycookingapple]

A dragonfly will still fall if it stops flying. Oh, but that's RDD of course.😂

[@bodan1196]

Rationality Disruption Disorder?

[@renedekker9806]

Resilient Distributed Dataset?

[@jonathanmormerod]

Really Dumb Dragonfly?

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Ruhroh Doh Doh!

[@PeerAdder]

Relative Density Disequilibrium of course. The ignorant flerf's mantra that totally fails to account for their favourite direction "down".

[@undinism69]

Another thing I like to highlight to flerfs with the "water sticking to a tennis ball" meme, in scale, there is less than a mm of water covering a tennis ball, (basically, 'just wet') to scale for oceans on Earth. Rotate a wet tennis ball 1 revolution per 24 hours, water wouldn't fly off and stay on it. Looks pretty realistic then.

[@guytheincognito4186]

Exactly

[@h14hc124]

Then they just move the goalposts again and say ah, but the earth is spinning at 1000mph ! and moving around the sun at whatever speed, which of course they denounce as being ludicrous, without any evidence, nor any critical thought about the difference between speed and acceleration, then they look smug and declare themselves the winner.

[@ElysetheEevee]

​@@h14hc124 Not to mention how mass takes things into effect relating to speed and acceleration. It reminds me of the people in the car community that don't know the difference between torque and horsepower, assuming they're rhe exact same thing. Then, they further mess things up by confusing acceleration speed, top speed, etc. Lol. I don't know it reminds me so strongly if that.

[@znail4675]

Large scale is something that flerfs can not understand, that is the key mental issue they share.

[@sauzefilms]

@@znail4675 they need to use a smaller scale that reflects their smaller brains.

[@rojh9351]

But … but what if the dragonfly drank the Pacific Ocean? Checkmate , Globeheads!

[@agingerbeard]

I lose again!! 🤬😭😭😭🤣👍

[@h14hc124]

What if the dragonfly was made out of the core of a neutron star ?

[@aaronmicalowe]

You're actually making more sense than a flat earther.

[@angelasmith3750]

The dragonfly would die if it drank ocean water

[@h14hc124]

@@angelasmith3750 You don't say....

[@robot_spider]

Gravity: The "compounding interest" of fundamental forces. If you start with almost nothing, it's almost invisible.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

So, if you divide 72 by your gravity, that's how many years it takes to double your weight?

[@robot_spider]

@@MonkeyJedi99 it was more of a creative metaphor than a specific mathematical model.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@robot_spider I know. I was feeling goofy when I typed my previous response.

[@robot_spider]

@@MonkeyJedi99 lol fair enough. I understand. My comments often get read as being more serious than I intended. No worries.

[@demonsofrazg]

But the ocean DOES "defy" gravity, where do they think rain comes from??

[@h14hc124]

They probably think it just magically falls from the firmament

[@barneyhall2753]

But it doesn't, Rain is always falling.

[@Spika94]

​@@barneyhall2753 Well, it had to get up there somehow. EDIT: I am not a flat earther, I know how it works. Don't misunderstand what I mean.

[@someguyonyt2831]

@@Spika94 It's called evaporation. That's how water "fly" itself to the Earth's atmo and here is how it work, in a simplifying manner. Heat energy gives water molecules enough kinetic energy to break the intermolecular bonds holding them in the liquid phase, allowing them to become water vapor and rise into the Earth's atmo. Lower temperatures at higher altitudes cooling it down, condense and form a cloud. You could say it's a wings for water but that's a massive oversimplifying it.

[@simongiles9749]

Fundamentally, it is the same way that the dragonfly flies, if you think about. Energy in the form of heat from the sun gives the surface water molecules of the ocean enough energy to form vapour, while energy from the dragonfly's diet provides the energy to allow the muscular contractions that vibrate its wings to provide lift. In both cases, energy (ultimately from the sun) has to enter the system to provide the counteracting force against gravity. Or, meh, it's been a long time since I did mechanics, I think you'd have to calculate via work to be able to give equivalency, or something.

[@johnsuffill6520]

Dan "Oceans don't have wings". Penguin "What?"

[@TheDeadTheories]

“Holds down trillions of liters of water.” Except when it doesn’t! **cough** Clouds **cough**

[@agingerbeard]

Somewhere a flat earther is unironically drinking a glass of soda on a plane while screaming that this meme makes sense 😅

[@dennisvogel5982]

and also seeing the reference frame for speed by himself and claiming there is not such a thing =)

[@martinjohnfox]

I don't know dude... i once opened a bottle of pepsi on a flight and it immediately flew out of the bottle at 435mph to the back of the plane!

[@borgonianevolution]

I REFUSE to talk Newtons UNLESS figs are involved.

[@sk1trillion]

Even the dragon fly or other bugs are light, they don't float after they are dead because gravity still applies on them when they are alive, they just keep flying by flapping their wings

[@joseraulcapablanca8564]

Yes that meme is based on misunderstanding of simple physics, I was a teenager when I learned this. When will they learn?

[@undinism69]

$500 on never

[@joseraulcapablanca8564]

@@undinism69 the answer I first thought of too Warren. I live in hope though.

[@jaketzi8816]

There is no cure for stupidity, so, never!

[@Slicerwizard]

Never. Gotta lie to flerf.

[@joseraulcapablanca8564]

@@jaketzi8816 I like to hope that education is a cure for ignorance. I also dislike calling large groups of people stupid.

[@mattheweagles5123]

It's really funny to think that flerfs think that oceans are trying to fly but can't overcome gravity. Are the tides the oceans taking a bit of a run up?

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

Testing its wings, as it were. ; )

[@31Blaize]

The fact that the meme completely ignores wings is hilarious.

[@dantefernandez2455]

Babe, wake up. It's a new sci man dan!

[@smorris12]

... said no-one, ever in the history of humanity.

[@dantefernandez2455]

@@smorris12 You underestimate the amount of memeing I do with my GF, lmao

[@DW-indeed]

What are you doing in my bed? Ooh, I see 😲

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

There is no argument. So I'll just tell a joke. A rabbi, a priest, and an Imam walked into a bar. The bartender said, "Is this a joke?"

[@mjjoe76]

I heard the punchline as: The rabbi says to the bartender, “Did you hear the one about us?”

[@Fred2-123]

I heard the punchline as "Is this some kind of joke?"

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

@@Fred2-123 Yeah. Because most bar jokes start out as that very circumstance, so he recognized it and called it out. See? Jokes aren't funny when you have to explain them. ; (

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

@@Fred2-123 Knock. Knock. "Who's there?" "Jesus. Let me in." "Why?" "So I can save you." "Save me from what?" "From what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in!" May god b-less. ; )

[@Kickiusz]

If flerfs stopped for a second and asked themselves _why_ things are heavy, they wouldn't ask those questions. Gravity doesn't work _against_ gravity now, does it?

[@grahvis]

"Where does weight come from?" is one of those questions flerfs simply don't try to answer, for obvious reasons.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

The Fat Fairy. Everyone knows that. ; )

[@tn_onyoutube8436]

They do - constant upward acceleration of the whole disc.

[@wilcowiersma9465]

The you ask them how long we are going faster then the speed of light.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

@@tn_onyoutube8436 But, but, accelerate toward "where"? I thought flerfs (religionists in ironed dirt shirts) claim we were at the center of creation.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

@@wilcowiersma9465 Sorry I'm late. I had to warp into this one. When I slowed you down to my local reference point, I could see that you misspelled "than", or you misused "then" for "than". Either way, we are not "going faster than the speed of light". Now, don't you just feel a little bit silly?

[@carlosspeicywiener7018]

In other news, feathers float on water, bricks don't. It's almost as if objects with different masses have different weight or something.

[@Puremindgames]

As someone who plays Pool and Snooker, Gravity definatly has it's off days. I'm convinced physics just falls apart when playing Pool or Snooker.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

Maybe you suck at pool?

[@emocelot]

I don't understand how someone can think it's harder to lift a dragonfly than an ocean....

[@SeanGavin-rf5vd]

I once found a dead dragonfly. Threw it in the air and it fell to the ground just like water would. Funny that.

[@beachfeet6055]

I am sure someone has already wrote this. Yes, dragonflys have wings. And what happen when they stop using those wings? They fall back to Earth. Is that so hard to understand?

[@h14hc124]

A better question is 'Why would the ocean go anywhere if gravity wasn't present'. Nothing moves without a force applied to it, and flerfers love to believe that the centrifugal force of the "spinning wet ball" would cause the oceans to fly off into space, but a simple calculation shows that there's hardly any centrifugal force to overcome, so gravity doesn't need to be particularly strong to hold the oceans in place.

[@YDDES]

h14hc124 I have even heard some moonlanding deniers say ”I didn’t see the Earth spin” when they have looked at videos taken by the Lunar astronauts… Not realizing that Earth needs a full 24 hours to make one revolution around its Avis.

[@h14hc124]

@@YDDES The problem with flerfers has never been that they don't understand things - everyone does that; rather it's their stubborn refusal to learn or to accept correction.

[@YDDES]

@@h14hc124 Also, I don’t think most of them actually believe the Earth is flat.They just pretend to now something most of the humanity don’t do.

[@VipinDas16]

Scimandan, you did a calculation to these flerfs when they don't understand what a calculation is.

[@Angel-nl1hp]

"I don't understand how gravity works, therefor it's not real!." Flerfs really love the argument from ignorance. Because they have so much of it.

[@Dabsuniverse]

Some people have lights that don’t burn to bright 😂😂😂

[@sy210687]

*too

[@Dabsuniverse]

@@sy210687 oh no I forgot the 2nd o pfft lol

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

@@sy210687 There, their, they're. ; )

[@thatoneguy3055]

All they produce is that annoying hum that let's you know it's on, but it's just not bright

[@sy210687]

@@Dabsuniverse haha sorry it was the irony

[@carlchapman4053]

"You can lead a flerf to logic but you can't make it think." Carl Chapman

[@thudthud5423]

I've heard Flat Earthers say: "If gravity is a thing, then how can clouds, which hold soooo much water, can float in the air." This, again, follows the Flat Earth rule: "If I can't understand it, then it can't be true."

[@DanielMWJ]

For those reading this and are confused: clouds contain mist droplets, which are easily moved by air (just like dust). But if they get thick enough, they smush into each other and condense vapor onto them, combine into rain droplets, and then fall.

[@pencilpauli9442]

The power of incredulity is strong, their reasoning is weak. Plus a load of stuff about how powerful is the pull of having special "knowledge" that normies refuse to believe. Wake up sheeple!!!1! Ideology can become part of one's persona, and the ego must be protected at any cost. /pop_psych

[@merrillhess5626]

I ask them if gas requires a container, how can clouds can exist?

[@pencilpauli9442]

@@merrillhess5626 Clouds are contained my a meniscus aeroflotinous membrane which is dense enough to stop them floating into the top of the dome The meniscus is made by NASA chemtrails WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!1! THEY dont want U 2 no the TROOF!!!! This comment may or not be taking the piss out of flatearthers. Toss a coin. Heads I'm being serious, tails, I pulled the above out of my arse like a good flatearther!

[@DanielMWJ]

@@merrillhess5626 water-based clouds are not made of gas, but tiny particles. Water vapor is transparent.

[@joshuaGmartin2023]

The grain of rice in my kitchen weighs even less than the dragonfly, yet gravity holds it still? Oh yeah, the rice doesn't have friggin' WINGS...

[@ProfessorT-Bag]

video starts at 2:20

[@michaeldunham3385]

Either that or people start paying a channel membership fee like we see elsewhere

[@ProfessorT-Bag]

@@michaeldunham3385 Yeah thats true, I was hoping for the video to be a bit longer since it takes 2 min for a 7 minute video to start

[@Marweinicus]

​@@ProfessorT-BagTotal video was about 3m if you cut off the outro aswell...

[@h14hc124]

@@Marweinicus Sometimes I wish that Dan would make his videos longer - maybe 10-15 mins, but then I remember that I'm not a youtuber, and I have no idea how much time it takes to produce and publish a 3 minute video plus outro plus ads, but I imagine it's quite a bit more than the length of the video itself, and with his publishing schedule, he probably doesn't have much time left to do much else.

[@Marweinicus]

@@h14hc124 I agree with you. I still like his content because he doesn't just react but teaches us stuff too. But this just annoys me tbh

[@DoctorZisIN]

The first thing I ask a flat earther is if they believe in vaccines. Most don't so I try to switch the conversation to the more urgent problem.

[@davidjuson5608]

Next mem, I imagine: why haven't oceans evolved wings?

[@John_Mack]

well, evaporation does "lift" up the ocean, at its surface, and of course, it condensates back to the ocean as rain. Rain has no wings...

[@stonesymmetry]

You forgot that they don’t believe in math.

[@rpitaluga4343]

Much as I hate to correct Dave, the different masses of the Ocean and a Dragonfly is immaterial. The Earth is 𝙣𝙤𝙩 holding down 7x10•20 litres of Pacific ocean; it is holding down 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙜𝙡𝙚 𝙢𝙤𝙡𝙚𝙘𝙪𝙡𝙚 of said Ocean 𝙞𝙣𝙙𝙞𝙫𝙞𝙙𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 with 𝙚𝙭𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙡𝙮 𝙖𝙨 𝙢𝙪𝙘𝙝 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙘𝙚 as it's holding down every individual molecule of insect. ... But again, the Pacific doesn't have wings, whereas the Bug does.

[@kernicterus1233]

The evaporative heat loss from the pacific is quite spectacular though, it makes clouds, and they hang in the air in much the same way that bricks don't. I've never heard a decent flerf explanation for clouds.

[@tma2001]

they are nature's balloons! /s

[@TomJakobW]

“Strong enough to hold down this heavy thing, but weak enough to allow this light creature to fly - how could that ever work”??? hm, it almost sounds like gravity has something to do with mass. Weird how that works…

[@coldie45]

they tryna debunk gravity when they can't even explain why things fall down in their nonsense model

[@justice4049]

No they say that the earth is moving up at all times and that is what holds you down. But wouldn’t that affect the dragonfly?

[@thassalantekreskel5742]

​@@justice4049 Yes, identically to gravity. Gravitational attraction is, in all ways, identical to the force generated by acceleration. So even with a hypothetically constantly accelerating Earth, the dragonfly could still fly.

[@andysmith1996]

@@justice4049 That's the Flat Earth Society's claim and that was a satirical website. Flerfs just say things fall down because they just do.

[@tornagawn]

‘If’ the apparent acceleration of mass towards earth at 9.8 metres per second per second…..we would have ‘theoretically’ surpassed light speed long ago…. Do the maths 😜

[@coldie45]

@@tornagawn lmfao bro never heard of terminal velocity, try again you idiot

[@ProactiveYellow]

Also, when asked "why doesn't the ocean float away?" It does, it constantly is evaporating and falling back to earth, just not all at once.

[@attila0323]

I never understood this meme. The heavier an object is, the harder to lift it up. Imagine you would need to strap buildings to the ground so they don't fly away.

[@MichaelJonesC-4-7]

The denser an object is, the more mass it has. Mass creates gravity. I love mashed potatoes and gravity. ; )

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@MichaelJonesC-4-7 "The denser an object is, the more mass it has." No. A kilogram of iron and a kilogram of Styrofoam have the same mass; but different densities.

[@federicogiana]

The fun thing is watching their reaction when you explain them they're trying to debunk weight.

[@DanielMWJ]

​@@RideAcrossTheRiverThey clearly meant "without altering the volume".

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@DanielMWJ Gotta be specific to be specific

[@cdrkennon]

Actually, water does have ‘wings’ if you acknowledge poetic license. It evaporates! Then when enough condenses, it falls back to earth. Gravity. Don’t leave home without it.

[@jonathanmormerod]

Oceans don't have wings. Just sayin'.🤣🤣

[@nyoomi1483]

Was gunna say, how much lift does the ocean generate? None? Well I'll be.

[@furycarnategaming]

Also the butterfly has far less mass to overcome to gain lift then the ocean.

[@simongiles9749]

What happens if you pour a can of Red Bull into the ocean?

[@joerichardson4325]

​@@simongiles9749 The same thing if you pour some Red Bull into a maxi-pad? 🕊️🐥🥸

[@TerbInYourFace]

does have waves tho

[@rogersanders9768]

Let’s not forget that water also “defies gravity” as it evaporates. Tiny mass, able to be lifted even without wings.

[@svenbuscher2104]

yes, lifted by rising air

[@jamesmskipper]

That should be simple and clear enough for most people to understand. Good video.

[@rippedtorn2310]

Cant they see that a Dragon Fly is a little bit smaller than any sea ? ...and it has wings that have to flap like mad ? Wow.

[@fakecrusader]

Humans are also smaller than the ocean, so why can't we fly without assistance? We are also smaller than the airliners we DO fly in. So where is this magical size boundary between can fly, can't fly?

[@Gazzilaussie]

The 15° clock in the background is distracting while you do the little cuts, takes about 6sec ;)

[@ammnoydb4015]

Me too!

[@shawnsustrich7981]

The Pacific Ocean just sits there being lazy. Don't be like Pacific Ocean. Be like the dragonfly

[@Lee.Willcox]

I trod on a butterfly once. Is that why I turned out ugly ? Also, my Mother was not a Chimp. The Earth is flat and my car doesn't move, the frisby does. Also, the only reason I don't float up with all that methane in me is because the Dome has a force that keeps me on the ground. Also, there are more balloons than there are spaceships that are also balloons. Stars are lights in the sky, they look different now because they have changed the bulbs from incandescent to LED. Also, my telescope has a built in 4K screen that automatically changes what I can't see to a CGI picture of what NASA wants' me to see. YOU ARE ALL MENTAL 🤣🤪😝😜

[@guytheincognito4186]

Well done. You almost come off believable as a Flerf 😂👍

[@UncommonSense-wm5fd]

🤣🤣🙃

[@Lee.Willcox]

@@guytheincognito4186 🤭🤫Thanks man. Got to laugh right.

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@Lee.Willcox Yup 🤣👍

[@Lee.Willcox]

@@guytheincognito4186 🤗You know the bloke with the white hair, not the one called "The Hair" from Ancient Aliens, the one who's wife keeps telling him to "SHUT UP". I sometimes have hair envy being bald since I was 18. But when it comes to White Hair Man driving whilst not moving (see what I did there) I don't ! 😜😆 Love to to you and yours 😍 I need to take an afternoon nap. Getting old sucks, but not as much as being an awake all night and day, worrying angry Flerf 😝🤣No wonder his hair has turned white 🤪

[@billynair]

3:46 - I literally went to brush the hair off my screen but you beat me to it and i was like WTF?!?! hhahhahahah

[@KnakuanaRka]

Gaah. What part of "force of gravity is dependent on mass" do these numbskulls not get? 🤪

[@lasskinn474]

that the acceleration caused by gravity is constant not depending on the mass, therefore they think it's the same amount of force acting on a big heavy object and a small light object.

[@federicogiana]

All of it. When they hear the g-word they stuff their fingers up their ears and start chanting whatever nonsense their papa flerf instructed them to say.

[@wouter12wpp]

Worth mentioning is that huge amounts of ocean water lift up from the ocean and drop somewhere else. It just needs some energy to phase change from liquid to gas. And after condensing back into liquid it just falls from the sky.

[@Zodliness]

Whoever invented the phrase *COMMON SENSE* obviously didn't know that many people. 🤔😂

[@kurtstory9466]

Mass maters: tidal forces also affect massive liquid bodies like the oceans, but have negligible effect on a dragonfly.

[@lonegroover]

To be honest I don't think the size of the body of water has anything to do with it. If you drip water from a cup it will stick to the ground very effectively. Gravity operates on each water molecule independently - they don't bind to each other particularly strongly, which is why you're able to pour water out of a kettle. And why it curves around the surface of the Earth, of course.

[@jasonmauza7104]

That was absolutely the simplest and best description of gravity I have seen yet.

[@primortje-]

Imagine how big the wings on the Pacific must be to lift it up

[@melsop54]

Flerf: Rock not bark like dog! Not make sense! No globe!

[@velthro]

This is why a squirrel can fall from a two story building and run away mostly unshaved and a person generally can't.

[@sthurston2]

Strong enough to hold down trillions of liters? So like using a nail to fix a puddle to a table and expecting it to stay in place if you tip the table. The stupid is in thinking that describes gravity.

[@guytheincognito4186]

Are you saying you don't understand how the water is held down? Or commenting about flerfs that Don't?

[@UncommonSense-wm5fd]

That analogy is is asinine.

[@sthurston2]

@@guytheincognito4186 The last sentence didn't tell you that? A dropped accelerometer shows no acceleration while falling, yet it is clearly accelerating relative to the ground. That suggests the ground is accelerating upwards. Now I established globe first, so the ground accelerating upwards everywhere suggests the Earth is exploding outwards. It isn't, so I think the inertial paths through space and time are curving towards the center of the Earth.

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@sthurston2 Sorry with Poes law one can never be sure. But you still need alot to be read out of that most won't pick out on an casual read. 🤷‍♂️

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@sthurston2 Maybe you don't mean for everything you just said to be read out of your op. But maybe separating the last sentence from the above piece will help. I believe reading them as one thing is what causes the confusion with your meaning. Together you sound like you're commenting on gravity and separeted sentence will have you come off commenting on the explanation above. 💁‍♂️ It's almost like the verbal effect of speaking to fast and people misunderstanding what you're saying but once spacing out what you say and saying the same thing slower people understand you. 💁‍♂️

[@michaelmccoy1794]

In a battle of wits, these flerfers are ABSOLUTELY unarmed. 😂

[@ludophil]

Parts of the ocean do leave, and return, later via evaporation. But that also is perfectly favored into gravity.

[@brucetucker4847]

I think it's less a misunderstanding of gravity than a misunderstanding of lift. If you could somehow fit a dragonfly or a bird with a tiny, almost weightless space suit that allowed it to breathe without unduly restricting the motion of its wings, you could put it in a vacuum chamber and watch it flap and flap and flap away with its little wings and yet be no more able to lift itself off the floor than a lead ingot. It needs air to generate the lift that allows it to "defy" gravity. Rather like how all helicopters and conventional airplanes have an altitude where their rotors or wings are no longer capable of generating enough lift to avoid falling no matter how powerful and efficient their motors are. Contrast this with rockets that use pure thrust rather than aerodynamic lift to gain altitude (including rocket planes like the X-15 that generate negligible lift at very high altitude) which work perfectly well in a vacuum or near-vacuum.

[@kenbrown2808]

my refrigerator just sits on the floor. my cat runs around the house like a loon. by FLERF logic, friction is a lie.

[@tonyonofrio1147]

One of the problems that confuses people, flerfs and globies alike, is - When we measure the weight of an object, we measure the total force downwards (due to gravity) on that object, but then report/show the weight as the mass of that object. So when we talk about weight we are actually talking about mass, and the two get conflated. Why would we use mass instead of weight? Because the mass does not change but the weight will change depending on gravity. (gravity does vary slightly over different parts of the earth) So mass is more useful in scientific and everyday life. BTW - scales for retail, engineering, and scientific work are calibrated for the local gravity. And have to be re-calibrated if used in an other location a significant distance away (another city/state/country) to remain accurate.

[@krisdevalle]

I like to ask flat earthers why it's easier to go down stairs and harder to go up them.

[@TheFalconerNZ]

Getting a flat earther to understand is harder than lifting yourself onto a table by lifting yourself up by pulling on your boot straps which is impossible so arguing with a flat earther is not only impossible it is pointless

[@goswinvonbrederlow6602]

Lets do a simple experiment: Hold out your hand and put a drop of water on it. That's a dragonfly. Now put a milk cartoon in your hand and realise why that wont just fly even if it had tiny wings.

[@Ctrl-Z-Renders]

There is a bigger force acting on the milk carton. carton* btw

[@Patriot36]

Put in a way that even some flat earthers may understand, "Gravity, the magic force strong enough to hold down a gram of water but weak enough to not hold down a gram of dragonfly" The force against them being identical but the dragonfly having a way to overcome that equal force.

[@Ather_sys]

i made one comment on tiktok against flat earthers like half a year ago and im still getting replies to it from flat earthers telling me that gravity isnt real lmao

[@alanhardwick3258]

I think that the idea of an apple experiencing a gravitational force of 1 Newton implies a deeper order to the universe.

[@UncommonSense-wm5fd]

It wasn't always called a Newton, there is no order.

[@oldtvnut]

@@UncommonSense-wm5fd The order was just not recognized earlier.

[@milanondrak5564]

Flying oceans, now there's something I'd never have imagined.

[@user-mv5wv9kc8u]

Clouds?

[@DjVortex-w]

They just refuse to even want to understand that gravity is a two-way street. In other words, gravity doesn't work in only one direction. The (what essentially amounts to) gravitational force between two objects depends on the mass of _both_ objects, not just the mass of one of them. The gravitational force between trillions of literals of ocean water and the Earth is much larger than the gravitational force between an insect and the Earth because of the difference in mass.

[@Applemangh]

They clearly have no idea how the rest of us think gravity works. Of course, of a flat earther ever put the time and energy to understand opposing views, they might not be a flat earther anymore.

[@blankiepoo]

This is like saying pressure in the ocean doesn't exist. "This magical force that compresses almost anything that we send to the bottom of the ocean yet there are little fish that can swim around freely in there?"

[@CmdrJay72]

I saw this meme just recently. My response was, “Water doesn’t have wings.”

[@thedubwhisperer2157]

That's the first time I've heard the words "brightest" and "best" used in conjunction with flat earthers...

[@jflem1897]

You gotta explain why water droplets are different from the ocean. Those poor flat earthers got told, a sneeze lets water droplet be airborne for hours.