Deceptive Weight of Maces and Clubs | Steel Mace | Clubbell | Mudgar | Gada

A video on the exploration of the topic why the weight of a mace or club is so deceptive. People usually buy a mace or club that is too heavy for them when they start their swing journey. This is too bad and I hope that this video explains why this happens so often. it is just to say that I would advice to start low in weight with every swing or flow practice out there. This will be of tremendous benefit for you in the long run and you will always come back to the light weight. I promise. Enjoy the video, Harbert aka The Flowing Dutchman.
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[@grumpygrumpgrump136]

I am 74 years old and not in the best of shape. I started with a 5 pounder and have worked up to a 10 pounder. Working my way to 15 next. Thanks for the videos.

[@harrisashraff]

What many people don't understand about maces or clubs is they don't actually understand the concept of mass moment of inertia. It's not about the weight it's about the inertia it creates is what actually makes it challenging. There was a cricket bat that got released 10 years ago called Mongoose MMI ( where MMI stands for Mass Moment of Inertia). Most of the bat's mass will be on the end instead of a regular bat which makes it faster and more powerful compared to regular cricket bats. Really great content mate ✌

[@Chad_Thundernuts]

This actually reminds me a lot of archery, where there is a similar issue of beginners choosing bows which are way to heavy to draw for a beginner. And it doesn't matter if you are fit and strong in the gym, because typically the muscles that are engaged during archery aren't really utilised much in every day life, or in weight training sessions. So it's not uncommon that even fit and strong people get bad shoulder injuries because they didn't start with a beginner bow!! Sometimes these injuries are so bad that people can no longer continue with the sport. So by trying to rush into things they have actually set themselves back very far. That's why I'm starting with a very light mace for my first, just 3kg, but as this video shows that 3kg is deceptive, and should be good enough for a beginner like me to learn proper form and techniques, while giving myself the right conditioning to safely move up to higher weight.

[@thearmwrestlingwiz]

Recently discovered the great gama and stumbled upon the gada. I have incorporated it into my training and made 11 pound gada using traditional method’s. At first it was kicking my but but after a few work outs and many of your vids I can confidently do the 360 as well as 10-2. Thank you again and the videos I enjoy the most is all the India content with the masters if you will. Thanks again and god bless.

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

Well done man, I’m happy for you! Glad my videos were of benefit to you, that inspires me to continue making them.

[@nastyboyneeraj]

Being an Indian I feel proud that all these equipments and workouts are developed by ancient India

[@QuakeSphere]

Would love to see a chart of what a globe really weighs with every angle and distance of grip. I suppose that would be an easy task on a horizontal plane. Good stuff dutchman ♥️🇨🇦

[@JanJaapGrootjen]

Beginner 4kg / 10lb mace is perfect. Your advice is great

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

Thanks Jan Jaap!

[@mma8208]

I got a 20 kg meel a few days back. I'm doing gamma Casts upto 10 per set multiple times a day. Man, it feels great. I feel so strong.

[@rajvikash8152]

Love from india.❤️ you inspired me to make a gada my self. Thanks for the wonderful video contents...

[@jackraglin5526]

Relatedly, very small increments in weight have a much bigger impact with clubs or maces than weights where there is a longer resistance arm than with a dumbbell. People don’t believe me until I let them compare a 2 pound club with a two and a half pound club.

[@andrewtate2000]

You, Sir, are an inspiration. I have just ordered my first mace, possibly a little over-heavy. I should have watched this video first. I bought an 8kg steel model and hope to make positive reports very soon. Many thanks, Andrew.

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

Appreciate that Andrew Tate, I hope they ship to Romania! Yes, an 8kg will be too heavy. But you’ll enjoy it eventually in combination with a lighter one.

[@connorjensen9699]

Would love to see more newbies trying the mace for the first time out and about, they look like they’re having so much fun

[@tjibbegaastra]

just starting my mace journey great channel thank you!💪💯

[@ambarishudta6291]

You got mastery on mace and clubs 👍🙏

[@PrabhakarMishra555]

Hello @The Flowing Dutchman, Keep up the good work.. Jai Shree Ram

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@sainianiket007]

Jai Shri Narayan 🙏 Jai Shri Ram🙏 Jai Bajrang Bali 🙏 Har Har Mahadev 🙏

[@dagreatstoney.5869]

Thanks for great help 👍

[@ishanpathak389]

Informative video 👍👍

[@ramakrishnanvenkatachalam6285]

Lots of love from USA 🎉🎉

[@davidcarter3135]

I love my 5kg Meels, made by Helda in Portugal. Beautiful to look at and great to use.

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

Helder is amazing! Good for you, keep on swinging :)

[@akshayamitabh]

Great stuff Harbert. When are you in India next? Please do a seminar in New Delhi!

[@gkslash]

Everyone underestimates the weight impact of clubs/maces. They pretty much always go too heavy, and then get humbled or injured. Myself included. I don't have space to swing a mace, but I have a nice weight range of clubs. Love em.

[@testname2635]

Same here. I was easily able to lift much higher weighing dumbbells.When I first lifted a mudgar, I could not believe that it's just 7 kg's until I weighed it. Took me about 2 weeks to get used to it.

[@neuromanser6666]

The physics : Moment( Newton Meter) = Force( Newtons) x Distance (meters), Moment being the turning force about a pivot, and the pivot being our wrists. So, a mudgar of 3kg having length of 50cm(0.5m) would have a moment of 1.5Newton meter.

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

Very interesting! How does this relate to difference between a drop and a swing? What happens with a swing is that you also accelerate the club/mace by using your body/muscles. Or would it just be a way to measure differences between tools? Because a kettlebell is smaller so the amount of moment would be less.

[@neuromanser6666]

@@TheFlowingDutchman I'm not sure about the difference between a drop and a swing, you would know better then me, but I think its a way to measure differences between tools

[@soumalyadas1123]

@@TheFlowingDutchman Yes, definitely the kettlebell would produce lesser moment( of force/ torque). The thing about drop and swing, I guess is similar to the eccentric and concentric phases of a movement. Torque/moment of force would be generated in both the cases. To simplify, let's consider a push-up. The going down, is the eccentric phase of the movement, similar to drop. While the pushing up is the concentric phase, similar to swing. So, if I am not wrong, then to do the swing quicker/explosive would be difficult and to drop slowly would be difficult... adding more resistance in this case.....

[@sumandas9487]

@@TheFlowingDutchman hello will you please tell me what is the benefit of gada workout is it better than dumbell and barbell can gada swinging made me invincible in dangal ?

[@motorcyclescene]

One of your best video explanations of technique. It fascinates me how each time I move up in club weight (mace or club bell), it's as if my technique learning starts all over. 10kg, 6kg, 4kg, 2.3kg... that's the order in which I bought my maces. What a fun mistake as I've worked my way up to the 10kg. At first even swinging my little 2.3 seemed a challenge until I had that "ah ha!" moment. I just bought a 12kg #whitelionathletics mace to add to my growing collection.

[@L.K.P_]

Love from India Brother 🇮🇳

[@bodhiganguly]

Correct the mace has rotation component unlike the regular weights , the weight being further away from the base means even a 1 kg mace may require more force to rotate as it's moment of inertia is higher

[@garynaccarato4606]

In a lot of scenarios less weight seems as if it can quite easily be more when it comes to these things.

[@rohansharma6444]

Love from india💕

[@avakinzerochill]

I have a Japanese kanabo. It's 13lbs and about 4ft long - too long for some of the swinging exercises. What are some good exercises to do with it?

[@prachiandshivanshshow9665]

Thanks for information. I want to learn mudgar from you..

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

Online courses are on their way :) I’ll also post more instructional videos in the future on KZbin

[@prachiandshivanshshow9665]

@@TheFlowingDutchman please oraganise all your educational videos on KZbin in a single play list. Also put upcoming videos in that list. Thank you🙏.

[@boyantrifonov]

I am obese and have been sedentary. I started walking regularly (from 0 minutes to 30-60 min 6-7 days a week) and now I want to incorporate weight training. I bought a 6 KG Mace. Since I am de-conditioned the mace is a bit heavy to me to do PROPER technique. I have the muscles but my right shoulder and elbow are a bit stiff and in pain. (Prior injuries + inactivity) So I ordered a 3.5 KG mace. (This was the only one available to me) So there is NO SHAME to go down in weight. The mace cost me 40 Euros - my joints are priceless to me. Learn proper technique first - increasing the weight will come if you are consistent and healthy!

[@BluegillGreg]

In a lot of countries you can start with a baseball bat, then add progressively heavier small plates. This gives a fair amount of progression. Once you buy your first club or mace you'll be experienced and make a good selection.

[@rajamanierajalingam4505]

❤from Tamilnadu 💪💪

[@marcelloantoniodreier4795]

Great video. i bought 2 indian clubs from amazon & one long steel mace. The two indian clubs I bought for 2 KG each. Problem is de handles are very thick so with zero skill & technique those 2 KG are very demanding and feel to heavy for me...I thinking about buying a steel club for 1 KG...what do you recommend ?

[@tbx59]

As someone with just steel maces and clubs, I always wonder what gadas and mugdals feel/weigh like in relation to them.

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

It’s quite different actually. Especially the clubs, since the steel versions usually have a thick metal handle which disrupts the weight distribution. With a gada you’ll find that the weight is also more at the end, meaning you can be less creative with it.

[@KanekiKen-lm1dl]

I decided to go with 6kg 4cm grip mace for my first one, but I also practiced swinging my straight bar (standard 10kg) with 6kg loaded on one end. Edit: I also wanted to buy one 2kg clubbell but it wasn’t available so I made one myself from an oak log. (Nothing too crazy, just made a nice handle)

[@michaelstagar4254]

Love your stuff. Do you work full time at the museum and make videos on the side? As a fan I'd love to hear your story in a video.

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

Appreciate that Michael! Haha no I do not work at the museum. When I started with my business I did have a waiter job on the side though. Now I teach part time in a gym and basically full time on this one in creating content, online programs and workshops. I’ve got some motorvlogs coming which will explain more I believe :)

[@bhasakarrav6751]

Jay shri krisna 💪👌👌👌👌👌👌👌

[@devvardhanshandilya7794]

Do a video on Gatka martial art, punjab, India.

[@wolfrickelly5148]

@ The Flowing Dutchman Where did you get your clubs?

[@Bathroomsingaaa]

Do a collab with some physics channel and teach them about Torque.

[@mmuffin97]

The lightest clubs available to me are 2kg clubs, is it best for me to proceed with that? I seen videos that say go for 2 pounds clubs hence why idk if I should get

[@zebady999]

There is a wolverson 12-32 adjustable mace. I have the adex club, what weight club should I be able to use before I use a 12kg mace? Or do I need a lighter one?

[@joellycollado4366]

Is that the 5.5kg kai karlai from BMF??? If so how does it compare to a persian meel

[@piotrwgrabowski9686]

Hello, Flying Dutchman, where can you be seen doing your training the most?

[@therealanujchavan]

Can you help me here I have no experience with clubs but I have experience with conventional Gyms and I have a Overhead press of 60 Kg so what weight mace should I buy ?

[@mithanshurai]

when you balance it vertically then the weight will be 6kg and momentum will be zero and when you balance it horizontally then the weight is 6kg and momentum will be 6kg ×1meter length .

[@thingusbingus8181]

Ive seen a few of your videos and clips and i want to start this routine, but i cant seem to find a reputable site to buy a wood mugdar. Where did you get yours?

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

You can try body mind fit from the UK

[@peterjohnstone7867]

I only use a 4.5KG mace, it's been 23-24 days, and the body weight is shredding off. Bought it on a whim 5 or 6 months ago, and didn't really know how to use it, and ended up hurting some muscles really badly. Also was obese with no muscle mass, probably on death's door. Started with walks, now i workout with the mace daily. Edit: did my first full 360 today, without anything in the body going hey stop that!

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

Amazing Peter, what a journey! Good luck and keep flowing :)

[@peterjohnstone7867]

@@TheFlowingDutchman It has been a great start to my health journey. Since my comment, on the daily I've been able to do... Well today I did 10 360s, a week ago I was happy to pull off one without breaking form. Thanks for the videos I've found they are inspiring and have help kick start my journey

[@ajayveersingh9343]

Jay Shree Ram

[@roguepratap7284]

The centre of mass is far away from the handle, and you have to balance the rotation of motion

[@sunnysmails]

Where can I buy this from?

[@luishsteuer1660]

How often do you get criticised by police or authority for swinging in public?

[@anonperson3972]

I went heavy for my new club. I could have gone way too heavy, we will find out tomorrow. I did have some sledgehammers to test with to see how I feel about different weights. Hoopefully I didn't fuck up... I used to train clubs quite heavy years ago though, and do heavy kettlebells and weigh 103kg (with six pack). Let's see if I can manage anything 😅

[@anonperson3972]

Update! Clubs really are heavier than they look! I can use my 20kg club for two-arm work (just about!) but will need to get a lighter club for one-handed movements :)

[@Salem_Gracian]

Me having just got a 25lbs mace and feeling the pain the day after watching this...

[@desimugdarloversgzp1408]

🙏👍

[@ImAskingAiNow]

Waar koop je zoiets?

[@rubulbarman7904]

Jai Sri Ram ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@kaizoku._sama7038]

Basically you are fighting with torque

[@bgmi7120]

Ram ram je🙏

[@rahulmehra1283]

Delhi se hoon benstokes

[@nived117]

Indian traditional workout give you power than any gym not muscle power

[@rakeshb7378]

Strength*

[@robertkirschphotography]

Dude in the background getting his bike confiscated :D

[@Jerboneous]

Funny I literally just bought a 15 pound mace and couldnt barkey do anything , i am a big guy who works out hard and work a physical job ...i just ordered a 10 lb

[@shankar2091]

Please make a course on club and mudgar swigging also

[@TheFlowingDutchman]

The first ones are already shot. A little patience, these are big projects.

[@shankar2091]

Plz meet Jothi Silambam in your next visit to India . Link : kzbin.info

[@mayank4977]

club wight is ur weight (kg) divide by 18-like 90 kg person shud buy 5 kg club first only.

[@darkguru2999]

Bro which martial arts u like most in India pls reply....

[@bodhiganguly]

What would be the ideal weight for gada for beginning, my current weight is 80kg height 174 cm

[@korakatar7921]

I would say start with a 3 kg and then work your way up.

[@amlanbhattacharjee9028]

Its all physics.

[@andrewbozhozr]

Somebodys moped is being tested for max speed... :/

[@shadoisnoob]

4:59 min the guy behind you looks utterly confused ,like what the hell is that guy doing in front of a camera

[@asonofmre2]

All talk and no torque