Doom II - MAP32: Grosse (Nightmare! 100% Secrets + Items)

Game: Doom II
Difficulty: Nightmare!
Source port: DSDA-Doom 0.25.6 (-complevel 2)
Pistol start.
All secrets and items.
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[@Vytaan]

Weird that the Commander Keen respawned so quickly. Were you able to look into it afterwards?

[@decino]

Yep. The Keen is considered "dead" at the start so it's always running the respawn check every 32 tics. When the Keen is actually dead its move count is way above the minimum requirement of 13. This value never resets either so a Keen may also respawn as soon as the death animation finishes playing.

[@DoomBoi-]

Ikr

[@Legatron17]

@@decino Wow, that's really interesting. Could make for a good 1 minute KZbin short!

[@violentbeetle2441]

​@@decino are they considered dead because their frame is infinite duration or something?

[@NTAD]

@@decino That could make for a pretty epic troll if not for the BFGs tracers. Imagine never being able to get the switches exposed because RNG hates you and they keep respawning before you finished all 4.

[@BigMacDavis]

I've played this map on Nightmare but never saw the Keens actually respawn that quickly. But thanks to the pinned comment from Vytaan on this video, I am able to see why that is the case. Good stuff. Still learning things about Doom.

[@LordBison98]

Decino: One thing I forgot to mention- Keen: *respawns* He just wanted to help you finish your sentence

[@dryued6874]

Decino: One thing I forgot to mention- Keen: *respawns* Decino: ... Decino: Yeah, he can do that.

[@vitalyandreyev]

Dude decided to look at rotations of an SS while being shot rockets at from all sides and survived. He is a god.

[@JangianTV]

Hahaha, no way!! The Keens respawn on Nightmare! 😂😂 Also, decino dancing with those rockets was nerve wrecking! 😬

[@Skelly57]

Loved playing this map, mainly cause you can get everything you could ever need for the rest of the game. Makes Suburbs a lot easier

[@lukebehrendsbro.]

1:40-1:42 That has got to be the fastest Keen (monster) respawn I have ever seen in any years of my time! 😲 This map is yet another favorite map of mine! Very fun with Cyberdemon around and Invun really helps you out easily even in Nightmare Mode! Seeing Commander Keen as a cameo was the best part of this map! Remind me to play Commander Keen on my steam LOL! 😆Excellent job sir! 👏

[@Astfgl]

Looking forward to the next Doom analysis video where you explain how Commander Keen could respawn so quickly :D

[@decino]

Pinned comment.

[@eljaminlatour6633]

Keens respawning on Nightmare and killing them again is basically a stress toy for Adrian Carmack. LOL

[@XzMondayNightzX]

Every time I hear "Thank you Marpthy" 18 more revenants are spawned on a bus somewhere.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Isn't that a Casali brothers trademark?

[@juggernautx1779]

I can finally say this pun that I been keeping it until now Damn, decino is blazing through Doom 2 on Nightmare with 100%s pogo-sticking style

[@cdcdrr]

[Decino inflates his kill count on Billy Blaze.] Decino: Highest kill percentage of the run!

[@jackdarby6080]

There are two great Doom players. Zero Master and Decino. Two very different styles of play, but both top tier in terms of skill. Decino, your playstyle is just excellent. You manage to defeat so many hard maps, but make it look easy. I love how you take time and chill out in nightmare maps. Keep up the good work you clever bastard.

[@notmemetime]

Thank you Mr.Decino for daily blessing with Doom2 nightmare! videos

[@seanmcbay]

Those SS back sprites look pretty good. They look official.

[@rankoinazuma6788]

Respawning Commander Keens...that's c u r s e d! And the first one respawning so fast...m e g a c u r s e d!

[@OmegaTyrant]

I thought that Keen respawning so quickly was gonna get you, you're so good, that surely would have killed any Doom mortal.

[@AlexeiVoronin]

This recreation of Wolf 3D's E1L9 removes a secret (which is supposed to be in the Cyberdemon's room and contain a Supercharge), but also adds a new secret that doesn't exist in the original (the Invuln room). The music we hear was originally the soundtrack to the level where BJ fights Hitler. The sound the Keens make when they die is actually the sound when you enter a level in Commander Keen 1 - 3. Its original version is played by PC Speaker :P

[@SaviourV]

The sound made by those dying Keens is also decino's censor bleep on many occasions. 😅

[@haryoprakoso4936]

Wow, uploaded yesterday? Literally I also just replayed this level yesterday, although in Hurt Me Plenty! difficulty, not really eager to make myself suffer lol. Amazing work!

[@Ben_of_Langley]

I never actually found this secret level normally but I had played it so I had a launcher for doom two called doom 95 of course for Windows 95 which you could select any level to play and start from so that's how I had played this level but yeah If I remember correctly I think you could select fast monsters and other stuff I'm not really sure though I mean this is going back a long while but yeah short and sweet I didn't actually know that the keens could respawn so that's something new and with that as always cheers for upload decino

[@PersephoneStars]

As i was a kid I didn't really knew why there was a kid hanging at the exit. When i did a report on 9th grade about things we liked i discovered why Keen was there. It's a great map with a little bit of history of ID. Great job Decino. Keep it up on the next map!

[@BeheadedKamikaze]

Thanks decino for everything you do. Hope you are having a good day!

[@NTAD]

This was my go-to map for practicing BFG 2-shot on Cybers

[@Phryj]

Doom's Nightmare respawn system decided to help make decino's video more entertaining. Hmm.. this confirms it. John Carmack made the Doom engine self-aware and capable of understanding what the players are trying to do. And he designed it so that it would persist even through sourceports. John Carmack is a technomage sorcerer from an alternate future = VERIFIED.

[@universalperson]

Engineering elemental and Luddite nemesis John Carmack

[@iguana9173]

Two things don’t just stand there you almost got killed by the cyberdemon. Also I was shocked that the commander keens respawned.

[@johnlewisbrooks]

I love this map. It appears as a secret at a good time and gives you a good break in the action and gives doomguy the boost he needs. If you do a nightmare run finding this secret level helps a bunch!

[@OtherWorldExplorers]

Berserk enabled. And Commander King took three hits to die? That's a really tough homage!

[@Nob1ej0n]

Huh, that was a surprising respawn. 2 seconds. Didn't expect to learn something new with this map!

[@Zenlore6499]

Commander is pretty Keen on staying alive!

[@samuelmay5670]

The only level in doom where you can admire the textures on nightmare difficulty

[@Tiosh]

The doom mod that replaces the Cyberdemon with Broly makes this map friggin hell on earth. Well that whole mod is just nuts.

[@SaviourV]

What's the mod's name? And what other nasty changes were put into it?

[@Geniraul]

This is a level which is one of my favorite ones in Doom II for 2 reasons: 1) It is an amazing map conversion 2) It is between 2 of my other favorite maps, which are map 31 and map 16 😅

[@TarosTheVoid]

This might've been a more relaxed Nightmare map in Grosse but the Keen respawning in less than three seconds was the most interesting thing happening in this episode Also over 200% kills is a first on this Nightmare run, probably bc of the very low enemy count and Keens also counting towards that kill count

[@Nuclearstomp]

A map where getting all the items and secrets actually makes it much much easier rather than harder lol.

[@TheBrassDancer]

Seeing how the Keens behave on Nightmare! is certainly weird, but I imagine there may be a mapper which could make use of it.

[@Jironobou]

I almost expected you to let the respawning soldiers kill the cyberdemon Also, I always found it awkward that the wolfenstein maps are like... twice as big as their original counterparts. It makes everything feel kinda empty

[@uptown710]

Leave it to Decino to just stroll around while bullets and rockets are coming his way _to admire spritework_

[@Olek54321]

I love that you tried to make this video as long as possible :D I know it was hard

[@jrock718]

Nice run pumpkin man

[@juand.g.2602]

Your voice is really professional. It would fit perfectly on educational videos and some ads👌

[@maltardraco9555]

Doom Guy punches his grandfather while escaping from his great great grandfather's prison.

[@anthonytilleman3576]

My very first video game was Commander Keen. In 2003 I was in pre-school and they had computer games most educational but Commander Keen. If I ever saw this when I was little I would’ve had nightmares

[@Meatman8089]

Definitely seeing a new analysis video coming because of keen

[@decino]

A pinned comment is sufficient for now.

[@johnmozhui5630]

Keen respawned way too quickly

[@ericsbuds]

lol the insta respawn on the commander keen was great

[@prish98]

That Keen was just so excited to respawn 😂

[@davidmcgill1000]

You really blazed those billies.

[@adinocc2042]

Good stuff!

[@MrMadProf]

"Blaze" through this one... i see what you did there;-)

[@HazmanFTW]

0:11 ha, Blaze through this one :D

[@chiqi335]

There is a lot of stuff for such a simple fight, well you can consider that map as a restock of goodies (if you are not doing pistol start)

[@nolan412]

Imagine the speedruns of this map are legendarily glitched.

[@A_Lazy_Mutt]

"I'm just gonna blaze through this one." Hah!

[@TheRogueWolf]

Commander Keen: "If I can survive that stupid reboot then I can survive you, Decino!"

[@CaveyMoth]

Grossly in the nick of time. Speaking of gross, look at those sprites. Whoa, I didn't know that Commander Keen could respawn!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

If only Billy Blaze's series of games could respawn that easily in this day and age. Believe me, even the best of those now feel quite dated compared to similar games like Iji, Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project, and Abuse. 0:57: Oh, that's actually endearing. Cursed would be MachineGames' Wolfenstein direction after The Old Blood peaked their greatness.

[@Tarles_X]

papa decino explaining commanderkeen mechanics in his video, EPIC!

[@СергейМисюк-ж1к]

During my very first playthrough of this map I got a classic face rocket. But it wasn't my face that hurt. It was my butt. It literally got bombed. I was so frustrated! Like halfway between usual gamer and Angry German Kid. So, the sprites was fixed? I thought my memory playing tricks on me, and I'm yoo young for that. As far as I remember these SS guys was always facing you, regardless of actual direction of their look/fire. At least in some versions of Doom 2.

[@DoomBoi-]

Love how he isn’t trying still wins lol

[@dryued6874]

Doomguy: *Surrounded in a shootout between nazis and rocket launcher-toting demonic entity* Also doomguy: "Let's admire the spritework."

[@NcWcN1]

About time that a 200%(+) body count was achieved! 😂

[@eduardodiaz9942]

Poor Commander Keen got extra bullied today

[@GEMSofGOD_com]

I LUV multiplayer on this one

[@WorentFelix]

Great, Commander Keen it's a Demon, that's very funny...

[@Quillyik]

Haha, I guess there's not many ways to make this map interesting once you've punched the cyber to death before :P . Looking forward to map 16 :D

[@pretol7920]

that was like 4 seconds for keen respawn

[@sirkredrum3406]

0:36 nice health

[@MountainLWolf]

I have never seen you so aloof around a cyber demon 😆

[@flummox3d]

0:47 Standing in the middle room being continously shot at Decino: okay... sooo... what do we... do?

[@SaviourV]

Oh, so *THAT'S* how you pronounce the name of the map. Always used to pronounce it as "gross". 😅

[@the8thark]

For the Keens do you need to kill them all once or have them all dead for the exit to be revealed? Of cause for 99.99% of runs this is the same thing . . . but what if, for science on Nightmare you killed a couple of Keens, waited for them to respawn, then killed the other two. You have technically killed them all, but at no point in time were all four dead at once. Would the exit be revealed? [edit] I did a quick text in GZ DOOM (so might be different in other source ports). You do need to have all 4 dead at once. You can not kill all 4 after respawns such that you have killed all 4 but not having all 4 dead at the same time. Well you can but the level exit will not open. You need to have all 4dead at the same time to open the exit. Pointless? Maybe, but I never knew this till now. Thanks to Decino for giving me the inspiration to spend the 5 minutes to check this out.

[@decino]

They all have to be dead at the same time.

[@EnemyAce88]

Back in the day when I played this, I always had a ritual of cutting down the Keens with the chainsaw. Then I would hear the chainsaw noise when Tenements was launching. And by the way, I definitely saw the Nazis infighting with the Cyberdemon here. Please forgive my ignorance about that from yesterday.

[@scr4932]

Imagine if all that messing around resulted in an outtake.

[@odstagent1070]

Grosse in Doom II: :D Grosse in Wolfenstein: *Guten tag!* Grosse in Complex Doom: 💀

[@quote128]

The map where we fight with a cyberdemon in the floor 1 of the first episode of wolfenstein 3d

[@MVBriscoVolante]

Since you mentioned it, what sprite wads and basic additions do you use? I know that widescreen texture on the status bar is something

[@decino]

Description.

[@MVBriscoVolante]

Oh duhhh :( sorry

[@HavasiP]

This map confused the hell out of me when I was a kid. I thought those Keens were some bugged enemies or something.

[@chriswaudby1084]

Excellent 😀

[@Markworth]

The enemies really struggle to aim when they're firing into the abyss of a level that is 2x bigger than it should be.

[@RetroGamingWithEdgarRivera]

ahh yessss good old Grosse Wolf 3D second secret map with the iconic Wolf 3D music "The Ultimate Challenge" by Bobby Prince. I play this map more in pacifist than any other lol, so I will try the pacifist way on Nightmare with all the itmes and secrets, for fun of course xD.

[@jellyjohn6969]

Mancubus icon, yippee!!!

[@xthaone]

Rockets are nothing to Decino. Spatial awareness is level 100.

[@matheusrios4223]

alright rest is over, are you ready to get back to harder maps? cause I am, and I'm sure the hero of our show is too :D 15 more maps to go Decino, you can do it!

[@reptongeek]

I have completed this level on NM100S style. And yeah it's like eating chocolate cake. Although I haven't completed it NM Speed yet.

[@davidchez513]

It took him 2 seconds for that Commander Keen to respawn

[@Lackooo84]

Finally! Hardest/longest level ever!! 😅

[@imitatsiya]

>I already did that four years ago time flies....

[@scottl.1568]

You know the rules: the CyberDaemon can only be killed enemy infighting!

[@lucianoelices5594]

It's really funny the hitscanners died and goes crazy without any shoot of you😂😂😂😂

[@szczerbcowarekojesc3313]

Yup, first Keen respawned in 2 seconds, weird.

[@SolidBrianH]

Short N sweet

[@nerdysoldier]

Awesome

[@SimBol1216]

I wonder... can an Arch-Vile resurrect a Commander Keen?

[@decino]

Has no raise state, so no.

[@joeilya]

Are you going to play No Rest For The Living on Nightmare after Doom 2?

[@SN-oq3el]

1:42 😂

[@uraldamasis6887]

What I want to know is how you dodged those 2 cyber rockets. Maybe it's just my imagination, but projectile hitboxes have seemed dramatically smaller ever since you switched to DSDA Doom.

[@decino]

Everything's the same.

[@lordbiscuitthetossable5352]

I imagine he's just so used to the Cyber Demon, that dodging it is easy. I had the same effect after playing Ray Mowhawk 2. After dodging *those* cyber demons, I felt like i was constantly over reacting to the real thing.

[@ravagerslb]

Once you go through enough hard wads and slaughter maps, dodging projectiles at speed ends up becoming second nature to you. And decino has already went through okuplok, sunder, sunlust, italo doom etc.. some in single segment with practice runs and then the actual run, so no wonder his movement got so good. Personally i struggle a bit with homing revenant rockets. Sometimes I get lucky, other times they are hard to dodge and ALWAYS find a way to hit me.

[@fellow_doomer]

pretty fun map! poor commander keen tho

[@brianmaday9227]

All of those Keen respawns seemed quick; a couple I'm SURE are too quick. Topic for a new analysis vid?

[@decino]

Pinned comment. Nothing special.

[@ozbloke202]

Uhhh I've played the map 1000 times and didn't know about the 4 secrets with the megasphere chain gun supershotgun etc...

[@DEdens1525]

218% awesome