Deconfirming Fighters using SMASH MATH | Min Min Update

Smash Bros Ultimate's Fighters Pass Two is officially underway with the release of Min Min. But, there can't be infinite new fighters... and with every fighter added many more get deconfirmed... especially when you use Smash Math.

[@BackseatYT]

With only one fighting game character added for Smash Ultimate (Ken), and one added in Fighters Pass One (Terry), do you think fighting game characters are really out of the running in Fighters Pass Two after Min Min?

[@Ghostabo]

Nah, but i expect to see new genres and at least one fighter that's just sakurai messing with random concepts, like he did with Piranha Plant. Call it "the sakurai factor".

[@MoebiusX9]

Definitely not

[@user-lt9zf3dt4l]

I do think it's pretty unlikely Didn't Sakurai mention during min mins presentation that he doesn't usually like to pick characters from fighting games? (since apparently this way they're more interesting because smash itself is a fighting game already and they wouldn't change too much or sth?)

[@juanfernandova]

​@@user-lt9zf3dt4l I don't recall him saying that, and honestly based on his love for SNK I REALLY doubt it. It's a complaint that comes from some people in the community and somehow spread around. Frankly, seeing a fighting game character translated into other fighting games has always been interesting for a lot of people. For instance 2D characters like Akuma or Haomaru in 3D games like Tekken and Soul Calibur respectively or Tekken characters in a 2D engine (Street Fighter x Tekken). Or any of these folks in a platformer like smash (Terry, Ken/Ryu)...

[@RuneTacticss]

Well yes, but actually no. There's a fighting game character coming later in the pack, but they're not...Primarily fighting? It's kind of confusing really. Like they have a couple of fighting games, but they're also from another genre so, take that for what its worth.

[@BlestFawn]

Plot Twist: Every remaining character is a variation in color to Birdo.

[@fudouakio4759]

Super Smash Tour

[@NinjaPickle]

Can't wait for Green Birdo. But yellow Birdo is going to ruin the game, I can feel it

[@BlestFawn]

@@NinjaPickle Dude I feel the same way, Yellow Birdo is gonna make the game boring Man...

[@gnomeyt9339]

I just want Birdo.

[@danthony8681]

Birdo is now valid

[@djnolan00000]

I don't care how many times you get anything wrong, I'm here for the videos, not for the facts. Even if your channel has 12.3K subscribers right now, I can tell the internet will notice you at some point.

[@RED-sl2le]

Dan & Elissa Nolan I know right? He’s Editing is top tier

[@KuroShiiiro]

They will soon. Hopefully asap.

[@LittleCart]

I am also here for the math and science of it all. Kinda like Game Theory but before they touched FNAF.

[@ADudeNamedLucky]

He’s already up like 1.5K in a week.

[@Mungusdofu]

Its fast after 1 week its now 13.9

[@aidanstrite2678]

In the Min Min presentation, Sakurai defined arms as a “competitive action game” so if a shooter character is added later down the line, you could always take the 6% from the action rep and switch it out for the shooter rep if it comes to it

[@BackseatYT]

*takes notes furiously*

[@jkahl5596]

@@BackseatYT Min Min could also be in the sports games because the Arms is like a boxing game

[@TudBoatTed]

@@jkahl5596 plus u got V-Ball and Basketball game modes in it

[@therunningranger4297]

Master Chief 👁️👄👁️

[@danielleballsackguy7374]

@@BackseatYT why didn't you explain 2b

[@ChamChamRealSmooth]

Yep, ya boi *Magikarp* counts. Genre: RPG Gender: Both Origin: East Era: 1990s Publisher: Returning Series: Returning

[@socketandfriends8096]

For his neutral special, he wields a *splash.*

[@shariefragab1374]

This would be an amazing idea actually. Getting your ass kicked by a pro Magikarp mainer

[@jontayy6592]

Yes

[@KirbyJet14]

his side B would be flop

[@memememe7081]

Unless male was cut im pretty sure Shadow counts too i guess. But then again, Shadow is technically an android, so maybe not. Eggman however...... Genre: Platformer. Gender: Male. Origin: East. Era: 1990's. Publisher: Returning. Series: Returning. Im still pretty salty for my boy Yoshimtisu tho :c Also Eggman doesn't need a mech, he can just use Metal Sonic or any other robots.

[@thejungwookim]

Edit: I can't wait to see how the math changes depending on Minecraft Steve

[@goldshell9992]

You spell honesty wrong

[@EdoVro]

Great flames246 you spelt honestly wrong

[@themasterblaze7563]

Mega Man is a title applied to a robot. Technically Mega Man is genderless, but is referred to as a Man.

[@bluberrydee6205]

Mega Man is genderless but has a male AI

[@thejungwookim]

To those talking about Mega Man: I quote: "PART NEUTRAL [GENDER]"

[@CarelessFoolFallsFlat]

Clean, beautiful editing? Bizarre and often hilarious attempts at categorization? Yep, it's another BGD video. I highly suggest you check out his non-Smash videos if you haven't already. Also his Smash videos, but the others are criminally underrated. Anyway, this was a pretty good attempt at assessing how Min Min's arrival applies to your established ruleset. I look forward to it shattering to pieces when Sakurai's fanatical devotion to SNK fighting games drives him to add Nakoruru from Samurai Shodown as Fighter 77.

[@BackseatYT]

Someone finally gets it

[@WatchVidsMakeLists]

I thought for a sec you typed BDG as in Brian David Gilbert and it still made just as much sense 😂

[@eddache]

I already love these videos but now I'm gonna be thrilled to check in with every Smash DLC update!

[@ajmocorporation8867]

Hi Eddache i love your videos

[@reillymcwriting]

Eddache Hi edd!

[@databaseinformacion4373]

BackSeat: I am gonna use maths to deconfirm figther pass characters Sakurai: Hey bro do you want someone in the game? Employee: Idk one from angry birds? Sakurai: Ok

[@NoScopeDeezCups]

YES IT'S HERE, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

[@BackseatYT]

THE MOMENT HAS COME

[@NoScopeDeezCups]

@@BackseatYT it really has 😳👉👈

[@marioruvalcaba9487]

NoScopeDeezCups stop talking peasant

[@orangepotato2112]

@@marioruvalcaba9487 let them eat cake bruv

[@socketandfriends8096]

*YA SEE THAT SHINJI!?*

[@SliminBlue]

I'm just sitting here like, "Well no one expected Byleth so can we all agree that none of this is likely to happen?"

[@MikeDaddyMCS]

Sakurai is going to look at this for new ideas...

[@loreleihillard5078]

"Kicked out of their game permanently" Sakurai: *Later announces fighter pass 3*

[@vermister341]

Backseat Game Development: *Presents viable Math* Nintendo: I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move

[@benjaminweber9793]

So what I hear is Bandana Waddle Dee still, statistically, has a chance

[@WatchVidsMakeLists]

Don't do that. Don't give me hope.

[@Soncub]

The Kirby series is in desperate need of a rep and I think bandana dee fits the bill. Although every dream friend in star allies really has a chance.

[@ItsViiiiiiii]

I feel if kirby gets another rep it will most likely Bandanna Dee. All the villains in the kirby series don't really feel like a good rep except Marx and nightmare(who are already a boss and assist trophy respectively). When it comes to heroes we already have all the main ones and only Bandana Dee is left.

[@Error-gz3pp]

Yes, because now, spirits don’t deconfirm characters

[@Komodo772]

Andrew Mokhtary Desperate need of a rep? It already has 3.

[@roccoloria9241]

This is my favourite way to spend my time when I'm not playing Smash.

[@SynergyFX.]

I’ve been subbed since your first smash math vid (which is how I found you) and I assumed this was like a 500k+ subs channel. YOU ONLY HAVE 12k! This is the most high quality content I’ve ever seen from a channel this small! Keep up the great work!

[@phantom-K]

I think the most fun part of this will be seeing how you adapt when the mathematics start to fail as more characters are announced

[@RockyTorres43]

Just came here (a little late, in fact) to say that the math still checks out with Steve... depending on what genre you argue Minecraft is lol

[@Veecy]

In another life, Birdo. In another life.

[@afjalchowdhury4079]

Ok, this is my favourite channel and series. You are so funny- I can’t. Omg I’m cryinh

[@goldengear1000]

I feel like you’d need to make other partially-robotic characters [gender]+neither for this to make any possible fraction of sense

[@paulwebb2078]

Yeah this is cuckoo for coconuts.

[@gavin_esq]

This has some of the most quality editing ive ever seen its unbelievable to think this channel only has 12k subs

[@bernkastel7438]

Tbh these videos deserve a million views. They are extremely well-edited, well-researched, and very well-scripted.

[@kilrkatt64]

Backseat: *De-confirms Fighting characters* Sakurai: *how bout i do anyway*

[@egon3705]

Looks like Steve just mined some incorrect math ore.

[@orionmcbear]

minecraft is a platformer that came out in the 2010s, not only with a male lead of being a both with alex and the gang. Plus its a new publisher and yeah thats it maths still there. OH though pyra is a big hurt. shes technically a neither. so big oop.

[@atumaIaca]

I rarely comment on videos (something I should try to change), but I felt the need to comment here because of how impressed I am with the quality of your videos. Keep it up with the good work and I am sure you'll have a great future ahead mate. And you, viewer, if you're reading this comment, make sure to share these videos on your social media and tell your friends about it! Believe it or not, it actually helps, so please let's try and spread the word about these amazingly produced videos!

[@UndercoverRuby]

GOD this is probably the most underrated channel in the world

[@TaleOfTheToaster]

ohhhhh yesssss this series is still going, pleasure as always bud, every episode is bloody fab from start to finish

[@BackseatYT]

A little thing like being wrong has never stopped me before!

[@Joe_Landry]

I love these videos, its interesting and the editing is really good

[@andypeoples7175]

I love just going back and rewatching all of these every once and a while. Great videos

[@fundifferus5423]

I love your content. I can't put into words all the stuff I love about what you do. I'll just say for now I'm fully immersed

[@cameronbates8742]

Love your content!!! keep up the good work and you'll easily break a million in two years.

[@papyrussemi2848]

Steve Update: Genre: picking up the scraps Gender: Both (possibly male lean) Region: West Era: 2010s (when 1.0 was released) Publisher: Either (New (Mojang)/Returning (Microsoft)) Series: New

[@lemonboy5498]

Completely insane to me that this channel doesn’t have hundreds of thousands of subs yet. This channel loosely reminds me of Game Makers Tool Kit, so hopefully you get the attention that they did!

[@dripfield]

Incredible how this channel only has 12k subscribers. Some of the best content I've ever seen on KZbin

[@ChulipCh]

I CAME AS FAST AS I COULD. BACKSEAT AT IT AGAIN

[@geraldgreg5370]

Sakurai: Your looking into it to hard man, I just want to add some characters.

[@eyemaster3.14]

Fun fact: many people associate Foreman Spike from “Wrecking Crew” with Waluigi. These characters’ debuts came out in 1985 and 2000 respectively. So, thus, it is possible, with a bit of finagling perhaps, that Waluigi can still come to Smash if Nintendo agrees with this association. Maybe.

[@Fluffy_W]

Spring Man wasn't the character chosen for Arms so we still don't know if assist trophies deconfirm characters.

[@eyemaster3.14]

@Paulo Figueiredo Fair, however the second video in this series stated that only official rules count rather than fanmade rules. It has never been directly stated that assist trophies can’t be fighters, so the rules of this series allow it.

[@accord0067]

I have a feeling the we might see more "spirit" fighters coming on this pass Sakurai also stated that they will change the spirit fights in future updates,that at least hints on more especial mii costumes comming,funny enough,i did buy Min Min,but her original spirit battle still uses Corrin. From what i got from Min Min, if future spirit fighters come to smash, they will have a new separate artwork as a spirit with the title (fighter) next to the name

[@dylanenriguehuntington2908]

C'mon Waluigi! Being a spirit cant stop you now! We just need Nintendo to debunk assist trophy deconfirms.

[@accord0067]

@@dylanenriguehuntington2908 the fact that Springman was conciderd during the dlc development makes me belive that assist throphies CAN be dlc fighters

[@memememe7081]

I just hope Shadow still has a chance

[@HappyLittleWorker]

They don't have a theme. But Sakurai supposedly said this theme is freshness. But I wouldn't get my hopes up on more spirit fighters

[@accord0067]

@@HappyLittleWorker well it does hin at future especial mii costumes at least, spirits based on mii costumes we already have like the assasines creed, vault boy,ect

[@HazelKnight34]

you have one of the best editing styles on this entire platform i love it😍

[@CyberBinary]

I feel like saying Min Min would be classified as “Female + Neither” is like saying that ZSS would be “Female + Neither” because she has a gun and mechanical high heels. I feel like ARMS are less mechanical augmentations (ala cyborgs, androids, etc.) and more simply weapons equipped by those with the ARMS ability.

[@silasnichols7593]

This video is satire

[@djnolan00000]

@@silasnichols7593 When did it say that again?

[@CEDEREL]

Dan & Elissa Nolan the times he constantly reiterates that his system is absolutely and undoubtedly infallible? he’s obviously not serious lol. if he said it was satire it’d lose any effect

[@ckillgore]

I have only seen your smash math videos but they are so awesome.

[@metareaper8008]

The idea that anyone thinks this is how sakurai chooses fighters is hilarious ;

[@CEDEREL]

Whatever.

[@o_vivian0975]

Yes, that is the joke

[@gilberto1359]

YASS!! I love these videos, keep up the amazing work!

[@filon_dado134]

Okay, lets update: Minecraft Steve: Sandbox game (counts as ?), Both (Male Lead), West, could be counted as 2010s even though Miecraft was released in 2009, but its complete edition was in 2011, Returning Publisher (Joker/Sega logic) and new series. Sephiroth: RPG, Male, East, 1990s, Return Pub, Return Series. Heres were problems start Pyra and Mythra: RPG, Both?, East, then 2010s is taken, but if we put Minecraft as 2000s only and we get 2010 for Pyra and Mythra then its fine, Return Pub and Return Series. Basically, we are left with 2 platformers, 2 males, 2 east, 1 1980s and 1 1990s, 1 Return Pub and 1 new Pub, and 1 Return series and 1 New series. Using this, Crash is out, Eggman has a very high chance, Ryu Hayabusa may be introduced, maybe Waluigi? But who knows, Sakurai is unpredictable

[@filon_dado134]

Sakurai has defeated math

[@nikzito2]

Your videos are actually really awesome

[@abigriffin9496]

*No more fighting game characters* Dude from Tekken: Allow me to introduce myself

[@periwinkuru]

I've never been so excited to watch a math video, well done!

[@wintertill]

Really hope Paper Mario makes the cut! (No pun intended)

[@grilledjello]

That'd make a good character announcement ngl

[@slush2640]

I don’t think so

[@LmanRegular]

gorgeous video dude, nice editing, and i love your script dude

[@theboulder4914]

Pyra and Mythra created a loophole in this theory

[@soundrogue4472]

2:07 Arms if I do recall was referred to as a "party" game but a sure fighting game.

[@zachtemoro2116]

This is exactly why I thought your math is off. There are some factors that certainly do look like they contribute, but Sakurai has also noted that game series that are unrepresented in Smash. This rule didn’t apply to Byleth, however its easy to assume Sakurai himself didn’t want another FE character and it was more so Nintendo forcing him to make them a character. Besides that though, Sakurai has shown he wants new unique characters who have also shown relevance to either gaming history or are popular within the last 20 years. Theres a little bit of personal interest in it for him to since Min Min wouldn’t be everyones first choice

[@danielleballsackguy7374]

Please make an argument for 2b

[@zachtemoro2116]

@@danielleballsackguy7374 well 2B is definitely a solid pick, but I’m not sure about her inclusion since she was in SoulCalibur. Not to mention there are other picks like Sora, Lara Croft, and maybe Noctis from Squares library. However if we’re making arguments for her in, she has become somewhat of a household name. Most of the gaming community knows what she is, and hack and slash games haven’t really been represented (unless you count Fire Emblem or Hyrule Warriors). Plus she could have an interesting moveset, but I in all honesty there are other SE reps I can see having a better inclusion. Not that 2B doesn’t have no chance of getting in, but I just think its unlikely especially over others like Crash, Doomguy, or someone like Scorpion

[@danielleballsackguy7374]

@@zachtemoro2116 thanks for trying

[@kestrel7493]

This channel will get the attention it deserves and skyrocket at some point!

[@kestrel7493]

This channel perfectly represents quality over quantity! though it has been nice 2 videos so close together

[@domi3457]

Here we meet again.

[@PokeHearts]

Oh I'm so happy you're updating these!

[@cmc178]

Here's a thought, a tweet from Bethesda said that they were actively trying to get one of their characters into smash bros. With Min Min comes Vault Boy Mii Gunner, so I wonder if this de-confirms characters like Doom Guy and Dovahkin

[@kestrel7493]

I cannot get over the quality on this channel! Editing (obviously) but the commentary and humour are great and there's no early channel awkwardness. Keep up the great content! This has left me curious as to how. Do you have prior experience in editing and commentary?

[@GB6__YT]

Amazing channel - needs more subs as soon as possible!

[@blockchicken8052]

How the hell do you only have 12k subs??? This is 1mil sub material at the very least!

[@lextatertotsfromhell7673]

I love how despite saying this video will age better, it didn’t, due to saying Steve wouldn’t be in smash

[@CrankyPollyanna]

This king is back! (Adding a comment to help with the algorithm or something)

[@BackseatYT]

That’s what I like to see!

[@coalrivers9998]

Only ssbu dlc speculation videos that have any originality. Thank you so much.

[@kyokugami5134]

I’m not sure if this was covered but Ryu Hayabusa still seems like a solid bet for me: ? Genre as hack & slash/ platformer Male East 1980s + 2000s Returning pub- Koei Tecmo Returning Series- originated on NES Especially since there’s still demand for a new Ninja Gaiden game and their secondary publisher, team ninja, has made notable games like Nioh and Fire Emblem/ Hyrule Warriors

[@DynastyHeroes]

Koei Tecmo isn't a returning Publisher

[@stormRed]

Seems I turned bell notifications on at the right time!

[@failbird105]

Well then, time to figure out how well *Steve* fits into all this. Genre: *Survival Building/Crafting* (? could be used as wildcard genre is you want, but otherwise...) Gender: Both/Both with Male lean(Steve and Alex, plus Zombie and Enderman are species, so they could arguably be either gender, male, or neither) Origin: West Era: *2000s* Publisher: New? Series: New Slots that will need finagling or may just not fit at all are bolded. Era is the hardest to recover IMO.

[@courage1363]

Lets not forget about Sephiroth: Genre: RPG Gender: Male Origin: East Era: 1990's Publisher: Return Pub Series: Return series

[@thehybrid3947]

if you somehow bring a character that no one suspects until its released you will be praised for you crazy logic and sense for how the next one will be chosen but more likely it will be a character from a series that a director says something like "I like this guy put them in" since thats literally what happened with Min Min

[@dondemitri3760]

how does a channel with entertaining narration, fantastic editing/animation, and Smash Bros only have ~13k subscribers?

[@JoJoboiWav]

glad to see you again chief

[@dougoyama]

Never clicked so fast

[@kristocampos2848]

I can't wait for the next one with Steve, this is my favorite type of videos of figthers pass 2 line up

[@GenerallyKoi]

It's always interesting to watch the process

[@johncomi6389]

Min Mon is awesome, and so is your channel!

[@goldshell9992]

Min min

[@half-faust]

It's weird how much I like these videos since I'm not actually that into Smash

[@dodosilent]

The risk was calculated. But damn, am I bad at maths... (Insanely cool vids by the way !)

[@imnotdegamer364]

You got some good taste of Music my guy

[@WatchVidsMakeLists]

Honestly more excited for these videos than the actual reveals

[@OnionJuice517]

Very cool video! :D And also any vid with Danganronpa music is Worth watching in my book

[@Fizzsama]

This is the best channel on youtube. Fact.

[@curesaul5749]

I got my second most wanted character from my most wanted series in smash so I don’t care who is and isn’t next

[@BackseatYT]

Happy for you

[@FragileJesseLord]

Minecraft Steve takes up: the one *? Genere* (a Sandbox game), *Both* Gender spot, the one *Western* spot, the one *2010s* (although public in 2009, the offical release was 2011), a *Returning Publisher* (assuming we're saying from Microsoft and not Mojang), and a *New Series* spot.

[@AnotherCamilo]

Smash community: Makes calculations investigating videogame history, speculaton based in patterns, time periods, platforms, games series, characters who have been with Nintendo. Seeking who are the executives friends, connecting dots to unveil conspiracies in the industry. Analysing every fighter, spirit, boss, sources. Spying the company to get any info, document, interviews, patters, reading between the lines to get a clue of the next fighter... it has to be revolutionary. Sakurai: Our new challenger is the Bunny from Jump Rope Challenge, we pick him because my wife says its cute.

[@generalowen4344]

That danganronpa music made me repeatedly dab for 10 minutes 35 seconds.

[@Its_Lui]

My prediction of the fighter pass was correct. "Something that we were never going to expect"

[@VideoGamesEpic]

Now I'm picturing a universe where Fi is in Smash. "You're running high on percent. Don't get hit!" "You're off stage. Be sure to recover!" "Your losing the match. Don't disconnect!" etc, etc It'd be hilarious, and now I'm a supporter of Fi in Smash.

[@user-lt9zf3dt4l]

Honestly I just want to see more mathed out predictions but the video is very well made as always so I'm happy still

[@Kaizure_]

*me casually waiting for this math to fall apart when the new fighter is announced Oct 1st 2020*

[@firewolf950tfwgaming7]

It hasn’t fallen apart yet. Next time for sure though

[@themasterblaze7563]

No matter what the math says. I will continue to believe in my classic & modern, indie, female, platformer. #ShantaeForSmash

[@ikatulo_yt]

This series is so entertaining!

[@naga7900]

This is a nice Update video

[@lepapanouwel4663]

Psycho Soldier music ❤️

[@comatthew6]

The time has come and so have I!

[@Arkegox]

Minecraft Steve fits. The math is good!

[@krenw970]

No it doesn't minecraft released in 2009

[@firewolf950tfwgaming7]

True, but it’s official FULL release was in 2011. It’s like saying a demo of a game came out in 91 and the full version wasn’t completed until 93, logically you need to take the year it was completed cause while both are official releases, 1 is more of a game than the other. I can see your side as it seems they seem to consider the 2009 release date more with the 10 year anniversary in 2019, but this is for this video math’s sake.

[@Arkegox]

@@krenw970 yeah but if we can bend things a bit for Min Min to fit, we can bend things a bit for Steve ;)

[@NOOBMASTER-hy6uo]

Crash (With Coco Alt) Is Still In The Running Genre: Platformer Gender: Both (Male Lead) Region: West Year: 1990’s Publisher: New Series: New

[@rockincradilyyyy8489]

There is a Japanese crash bandicoot

[@grilledjello]

Glad to see that the Knight (from Hollow Knight) isn't out of the running. (Platformer - Male - West - 2010s - New Publisher - New Series) Edit: Actually I think the Knight may be a Neither. Not sure though.

[@Weegiest_beegi]

The Knight and all other vessels are neither because they were "killed" by void in their eggs and are now void creatures, but Hornet is female so I'm still holding out hope for the Knight, Hornet, or maybe even Lace

[@grilledjello]

@@Weegiest_beegi Okay thanks for the lore info. I really wish more people wanted a Hollow Knight rep in Smash. It'd work really well.

[@UltraPrimeHunter]

Liking and subbing in order to stick it to the man.

[@BackseatYT]

I love this rebel spirit

[@rockowlgamer631]

I'd love to see an old timer expansion pass where thankfully Nintendo gets permission to get Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Shantae, Heavy from TF2, and Crono from Chrono Trigger in

[@Mungusdofu]

BGD: Smash Math Sakurai: *S C I E N C E*

[@jonahabenhaim1223]

Only 5 Min Minutes in and I’m loving it already