Deepak Chopra and Bernardo Kastrup On the future of Planetary Evolution

[@realcygnus]

BK is one of the most interesting cats out there today IMHO.

[@realcygnus]

@Lisa Jordan He did indeed. 😂

[@vampireducks1622]

Absolutely. I study philosophy and I can think of only one other contemporary philosopher (DBH) as interesting as BK.

[@highvalence7649]

@@vampireducks1622 and who's that other philosopher? What or who's DBH?

[@vampireducks1622]

@@highvalence7649 David Bentley Hart

[@highvalence7649]

@@vampireducks1622 thanks. I'll check him out

[@maurylee5239]

In my personal search for truth, I found non dualism as expressed in Advaita Vedanta, the satisfaction that ended my search. Bernardo's scientific and rational thinking is frosting on the cake. I find the internal subjective search the ancient Rishis did was the best scientific examination ever done. This talk came to the conclusion that "I am the Thing in Itself." The ancients were right.

[@vampireducks1622]

I've had a similar jouney. I'd recommend exploring other non-dualist traditions too such as Daoism and Kashmir Shavisim, especially the latter. Kastrup is wonderful and I'm very grateful for his writngs and interviews. But, though also monistic or non-dualist, I don't think you could really describe his metaphysics as completely consistent with Advaita Vedanta. It is Schopenhauerian more than anything else. One key difference is that in Vedanta the Self (or or Universal Consciousness or Mind-at-Large, to use BK's terms) is sat-chit-ananda (being-consciousness-bliss) and the absolute perfection of goodness, awareness, and beauty, whereas for Kastrup and Schopenhauer it is at an even lower level of awareness than personal (egoic) consciousness and a kind of blind instinctual energy or force that is characterized by ceaseless desire and suffering.

[@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices]

🐟 02. A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF “LIFE”: Everything, both perceptible and imperceptible - that is, any gross or subtle OBJECT within the material universe which can ever be perceived with the cognitive faculties, plus the SUBJECT (the observer of all phenomena) - is to what most persons generally refer when they use the term “God”, since they usually conceive of the Primeval Creator as being the Perfect Person, and “God” (capitalized) is a personal epithet of the Unconditioned Absolute. However, this anthropomorphized conception of The Absolute is a fictional character of divers mythologies. According to most every enlightened sage in the history of this planet, the Ultimate Reality is, far more logically, Absolutely NOTHING, or conversely, Absolutely EVERYTHING - otherwise called “The Tao”, “The Great Spirit”, “Brahman”, “Pure Consciousness”, “Eternal Awareness”, “Independent Existence”, “The Ground of All Being”, “Uncaused Nature”, “The Undifferentiated Substratum of Reality”, “The Unified Field”, et cetera - yet, as alluded to above, inaccurately referred to as a personal deity by the masses (e.g. “God”, “Allah”, “Yahweh”, “Bhagavan”, etc.). In other words, rather than the Supreme Truth being a separate, Blissful, Supra-Conscious Being (The Godhead Himself or The Goddess), Ultimate Reality is Eternal-Existence Limitless-Awareness Unconditional-Peace ITSELF. That which can be perceived, can not be perceiving! Because the Unmanifested Absolute is infinite creative potentiality, “it” actualizes as EVERYTHING, in the form of ephemeral, cyclical universes. In the case of our particular universe, we reside in a cosmos consisting of space-time, matter and energy, without, of course, neglecting the most fundamental dimension of existence (i.e. conscious awareness - although, “it” is, being the subject, by literal definition, non-existent). Just as a knife cannot cut itself, nor the mind comprehend itself, nor the eyes see themselves, The Absolute cannot know Itself (or at least objectively EXPERIENCE Itself), and so, has manifested this phenomenal universe within Itself for the purpose of experiencing Itself, particularly through the lives of self-aware beings, such as we sophisticated humans. Therefore, this world of duality is really just a play of consciousness within Consciousness, in the same way that a dream is a person's sleeping narrative set within the life-story of an “awakened” individual. APPARENTLY, this universe, composed of “mind and matter”, was created with the primal act (the so-called “Big Bang”), which started, supposedly, as a minute, slightly uneven ball of light, which in turn, was instigated, ultimately, by Extra-Temporal Supra-Consciousness. From that first deed, every motion or action that has ever occurred has been a direct (though, almost exclusively, an indirect) result of it. Just as all the extant energy in the universe was once contained within the inchoate singularity, Infinite Consciousness was NECESSARILY present at the beginning of the universe, and is in no way an epiphenomenon of a neural network. Discrete consciousness, on the other hand, is entirely dependent on the neurological faculty of individual animals (the more highly-evolved the species, the greater its cognitive abilities). “Sarvam khalvidam brahma” (a Sanskrit maxim from the “Chandogya Upanishad”, meaning “all this is indeed Brahman” or “everything is the Universal Self alone”). There is NAUGHT but Eternal Being, Conscious Awareness, Causeless Peace - and you are, quintessentially, that! This “Theory of Everything” can be more succinctly expressed by the mathematical equation: E=A͚ (Everything is Infinite Awareness). HUMANS are essentially this Eternally-Aware-Peace, acting through an extraordinarily-complex biological organism, comprised of the eight rudimentary elements - pseudo-ego (the assumed sense of self), intellect, mind, solids, liquids, gases, heat (fire), and ether (three-dimensional space). When one peers into a mirror, one doesn't normally mistake the reflected image to be one's real self, yet that is how we humans conventionally view our ever-mutating form. We are, rather, in a fundamental sense, that which witnesses all transitory appearances. Everything which can be presently perceived, both tangible and immaterial, including we human beings, is a culmination of that primary manifestation. That is the most accurate and rational explanation for “karma” - everything was preordained from the initial spark, and every action since has unfolded as it was predestined in ETERNITY, via an ever-forward-moving trajectory. The notion of retributive (“tit-for-tat”) karma is just that - an unverified notion. Likewise, the idea of a distinct, reincarnating “soul” or “spirit” is largely a fallacious belief. Whatever state in which we currently find ourselves, is the result of two factors - our genetic make-up at conception and our present-life conditioning (which may include mutating genetic code). Every choice ever made by every human and non-human animal was determined by those two factors ALONE. Therefore, free-will is purely illusory, despite what most believe. Chapter 11 insightfully demonstrates this truism. As a consequence of residing within this dualistic universe, we experience a lifelong series of fluctuating, transient pleasures and pains, which can take the form of physical, emotional, and/or financial pleasure or pain. Surprisingly to most, suffering and pain are NOT synonymous. Suffering is due to a false sense of personal agency - the belief that one is a separate, independent author of one’s thoughts, emotions, and deeds, and that, likewise, other persons are autonomous agents, with complete volition to act, think, and feel as they wish. Another way of stating the same concept is as follows: suffering is due to the intellect being unwilling to accept life as it manifests moment by moment. There are five SYMPTOMS of suffering, all of which are psychological in nature: 1. Guilt 2. Blame 3. Pride 4. Anxiety 5. Regrets about the past and expectations for the future These types of suffering are the result of not properly understanding what was explained above - that life is a series of happenings and NOT caused by the individual living beings. No living creature, including Homo sapiens, has personal free-will. There is only the Universal, Divine Will at play, acting through every body, to which William Shakespeare famously alluded when he scribed “All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.” The human organism is essentially a biopsychological machine, comprised of the five gross material elements (which can be perceived with the five senses) and the three subtle material elements (the three levels of cognition, which consist of abstract thought objects), listed above. Cont...

[@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices]

The ANTIDOTE to all mental anguish is to firstly discern pain from suffering, then to achieve complete relief from that miserable state of existence, by abandoning the erroneous belief in personal authorship, and abiding in the primordial sense of being (the unqualified “I am”, which is one's core identity). This is the very same peace which is experienced each night during the dreamless phase of the sleep cycle. This "resting imperturbably as Flawless Awareness" can be practiced on a regular basis, until it is fully assimilated and integrated into one's life. Every person, from time immemorial, has been either intentionally or unwittingly seeking such causeless peace, most commonly by practicing one of the four systems of YOGA (religion) delineated in the sixteenth chapter of this work, or else in creating wealth and the acquisition of material possessions, or in psycho-physical pleasures. That peace of mind is often referred to as “happiness”, “joy”, or “love”, and often presumed to be a temporal state, since many assume, incorrectly, that continuous peace is unavailable in this life. Fortunately, that is not the case - it is eminently possible to live one's life acquainted with unbroken peace of mind, if destined. Following DHARMA (frameworks of authentic religion and societal duties) is not guaranteed to achieve that desired tranquillity of mind, but even so, it is beneficial for individuals, since it establishes a structure which enables one to more easily elevate oneself beyond the mundane, animalistic platform (i.e. the base pursuits of eating, sleeping and mating). Intrinsic to dharma is the division of the adult male population into the four classes of society and the inherent role of girls and women in society, as fully elucidated in latter chapters of this Holy Scripture. So, now that you understand life, and the reason why we are suffering here in this (ostensively) material universe, you are now able to be liberated from all mental suffering, RIGHT? WRONG! It is imperative to approach an authentic spiritual master to assist you to come to the above realization, by slowly undoing your past conditioning. Just as you have been conditioned over an entire lifetime to think one way, you need to be re-conditioned to think another way (in alignment with your essential identity as The Divine). For one who has himself for a teacher, that man has a veritable fool as his teacher. Even if you adhere closely to the precepts of a competent teacher, you may still not come to a full understanding of life, but if you are sincere, humble and dedicated, you will definitely find more peace in your daily life - all of which was DESTINED to occur, of course. Furthermore, if you are suitably-qualified and it was ordained, you may be fortunate enough to receive discipline from one of the EXTREMELY rare fully-enlightened masters residing on earth at any given time (perchance even the current World Teacher himself), and subsequently realize the aforementioned fundamental concepts, by diligently studying authoritative doctrines (especially the most accurate and complete of all extant Scriptures, this “Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”), serving your guru with great reverence and devotion, and by deliberately avoiding undue harm to oneself, to other individuals, to society as a whole, and to the natural environment, including other life forms. Most beneficially, you are urged to become VEGAN, since carnism (the destructive ideology which supports the use and consumption of animal products, especially for “food”) is, apart from illegitimate (non-monarchical) governance and feminism, arguably the foremost existential crisis. Best wishes for your unique, personal journey towards unalloyed peace and HAPPINESS! “The cure for all ignorance is unerring knowledge”. “You are this universe and you are creating it at every moment, because, you see, it starts now. It didn't begin in the past - there IS no past.” ************* “Find out who you REALLY are so that when death comes…there is no-one to kill, for while you are identified with your role, with your name, with your ego, there is someone to kill. But when you are identified with the whole universe, death finds you already annihilated and there’s no-one to kill”. ************* “A wise Rabbi once said 'If I am I because you are you, and you are you because I am I, then I am not I, and you are not you'. In other words, we are not separate.” ************* “Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way.” ************* “The meaning of life is life itself.” Professor Dr. Alan Wilson Watts, British-American Philosopher. (06/01/1915 - 16/11/1973). “What you seek is seeking you.” ************* “Don't you know yet? It is your light that lights the worlds.” ************* “Stop acting so small. You are the universe in ecstatic motion.” ************* “We are one. Everything in the universe is within you. Ask all from yourself.” ************* “The lamps are different, but the light is the same.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī, Persian Sunni Muslim poet, jurist, Islamic scholar, theologian, and Sufi mystic. (30/09/1207 - 17/12/1273).

[@yadurajdas532]

None dualism is next step after physiological and philosophical materialism, however it’s is not the pinnacle of knowledge. The search ends at pure dualism or Bhakti Vedanta.

[@HenriChero]

right on...To Consciousness,matter doesnt really matter

[@leandrosilvagoncalves1939]

I'd love to see Bernardo Kastrup speaking about Idealism in Portuguese. Unfortunately in my country very few people speak English so most of them don't have access to this wonderful and enlightening knowledge

[@marcopontual8633]

hahahaha ditto. Sometimes when I'm watching him I fantasize of becoming a famous podcaster just to interview him in Portuguese. His accent and looks are as Brazilian as it gets, though he gives me the impression that he is somewhat embarrassed of his country of origin. He always seems to avoid mentioning it when not directly asked, and even when he does he makes sure to say that his mother is Portuguese and his father is Danish (that is, "I'm in fact a European who happened to be born in Brazil"). And that never fails to strike me as forced, because he looks and sounds more Brazilian than most people I know. Oh well, he must have his reasons.

[@pascalguerandel8181]

I was so enamored, but I completely forgot myself, in their conversation I felt like I was in a movie experiencing everything they said it was absolutely amazing and breathtaking.

[@samrowbotham8914]

I just finished reading Bernardo's book Decoding Schopenhauser's Metaphysics which I found to be pabulum for the soul. I cannot wait for his book on Jung as I have all of his books thus far. I am confused though because when he talked with Gerry Woerlee recently he said he was not au fait with the NDE literature but he wrote about it in Brief Peeks. He also argued with Tim Freke in a very explosive interview as Tim is arguing that Consciousness is emergent and moving teleologically towards a singularity, Bernardo seems to be saying the same thing in the Schopenhauer book. I have been a big fan of Deepak for years his book The seven spiritual laws of success is a must-read and it helped me gain my biggest ever breakthrough. The debate between Idealist and Materialist is on par for me with the debate between those who are pushing the Germ theory of diseases as opposed to the Terrain theory of disease. I am firmly in the Terrain camp and more people need to get involved as we are living in dangerous times. Regarding Constants they do not exist as Rupert Sheldrake disclosed in his Ted talk which they banned, they fixed the Constants. This goes to show that they are making the data fit the theory which is bad science, in fact, it's worse it is fraudulent science.

[@minjung-1999]

which books do you recommend the most for someone reading bernardo for the first time ?

[@cx777o]

@@minjung-1999 thats also what I would like to knwo, but i think he would suggest "why materialism is baloney" as a good start :)

[@ionatanaflamestyle]

What is terrain disease?

[@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices]

Do you BELIEVE in free-will, Sam? 🤔

[@michaelg1569]

It may be pablum for the soul, but it is also grist for the mill. Bon bons for the ego.

[@SalemHill]

There are so many ads because that’s how Deepak rolls. Always maximizing the profitability of everything. Notice: He couldn’t find that book he was looking for but made sure his latest book was prominently displayed. VANITAS VANITATUM OMNIA VANITAS.

[@adriancioroianu1704]

Yeah, Deepak is very in love with himself, you can smell it from a mile a way. But BK is a brilliant, humble and very lucid philosopher. Also he's probably right.

[@SalemHill]

I agree

[@rohlay00]

😂😂😂 see him at 32:37

[@rohlay00]

I come to Deepak from Bernardo, and as Bernardo stated, Deepak is trying to explain this 'universal consciousness' idea to laypeople; discard with the philosophical analytic argumentation and explain it through intuition. Seeing Deepaks ego, which is the worse ego, the ego of non-ego. At least people with ego's are proud of their ego! He denies its existence entirely. After seeing place his book there, Bernardos book isn't there? I am completely repelled to buying anything from Deepak, and funnily I wasn't before, this interview (with all the ads) brought me to this conclusion. I will save my money and buy Bernardos books, my own quantum physics books, and to the Indian and buddhist classics myself. I don't need his word salad of nonsense, he's a copycat with no originality. Sometimes he sounds like an insecure kid having to display his knowledge and when he doesn't have an answer will just ramble some random shit that is completely different to what they were talking about. He will just quote somebody, speak about himself about how he's such this and that, spoke to this Nobel laureate and that person. Sometimes he looks like an Artificial Intelligence!! I doubt he does 4 hours of spiritual practice a day. Or if he does, he's doing it very wrong, because there are no signs of it in his presence and his actions 😂

[@SalemHill]

@@rohlay00 I agree completely. Also I’ve been told Chopra is very litigious. He sues people at the drop of a hat. Often I wonder how Bernardo would answer a precocious ten year old’s question : What is matter? without saying “All matter, all physicality, the entire physical universe is merely the intrinsic appearance of transpersonal mental processes when observed from a certain perspective, namely a dissociated ( dissociative) perspective.”……Bernardo, you don’t have to defend your position with us like you do with your peers. We’ve been “all in” with you from the get go. Just tell us how to talk to our grand kids, if they should ask.

[@FOSology]

Explain why so many ads

[@rabbitholehomes]

If I may Dr. Chopra, there's a British philosopher / journey man by the name of Paul Brunton that has invaluable insight here. I say this because he stayed at an ashram in Cambodia in the 1930s for a few months and transcribed an oral teaching of Vedanta that isn't in any other publication and has hardly any sanskrit in it. The book is The Wisdom of The Overself and I'm sure taking just a quick look at the table of contents page on the online PDF will arouse much curiosity. Anyway, loved this conversation and look forward to the next between you two.

[@pascalguerandel8181]

Their perspectives are so in aligned with mine, thank you for the clarity!

[@BodhisattvaMagic]

What a pair! Brilliant

[@peterjones6507]

"These are not problems, just the implications of bad thinking". Nailed it in one.

[@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices]

Good and bad are RELATIVE. 😉

[@RichardTalley-q9d]

@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServicessounds like the same thing materialist do with the problem of evil.

[@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices]

@@RichardTalley-q9d, kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️ Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱

[@stuartgerrard114]

Was enjoying this conversation but gave up after 15 minutes due to adverts.

[@alicearcturus8610]

Two of my favorite people. Thank you!

[@Blackdragon87100]

The amount of ads in this video are unreal, I like it regardless.

[@ISellSigals]

Great video, love Bernardos work but seriously like 15 ads on this video?

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Step into Red Premium and eliminate your frustration. You'll be happy you did; trust me.

[@KR-jq3mj]

Kastrup is really interesting and very convincing...love his work

[@rafiqbrookins4931]

“Know Thyself”

[@ReemBo.]

Wonderful enlightening conversation

[@mathieuraetz2041]

Greetings from Switzerland. love to you both. ❤

[@yedeydreamer777]

Wow! Love this conversation

[@michaelg1569]

Who loves the conversation?

[@moesypittounikos]

Deepak is looking very healthy recently.

[@007EnglishAcademy]

Face lift

[@Corteum]

@@007EnglishAcademy No face lift, just meditation :)

[@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices]

@@Corteum perhaps he has FINALLY become vegan. 🌱

[@Corteum]

@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices That would certianly help :)

[@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices]

@@Corteum are you VEGAN? 🌱

[@kirstinstrand6292]

I have listened to Bernardo, and he is Amazing.

[@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices]

Because?

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Reduction to Absurdity seems to be touted by Hoffman. We need Bernardo's voice to speak for those of us whom cannot speak from our experiences.

[@yuvarajgopal2717]

The difference is barnardo looks humble and copra self conscious

[@moesypittounikos]

Jesus Deepak! How many adverts do you need?

[@claudelebel49]

Adverts!? Oh, I've subscribed to KZbin premium and find it well worth the money. No more ads ever.

[@Pianoman999]

@@claudelebel49 Exactly.

[@brettneuberger6466]

@@claudelebel49 yes. Definitely

[@pascalguerandel8181]

What a team!!! Amazing!

[@michaelg1569]

A two person circle jerk. Like all other interviews/conversations.

[@buzzwordy9951]

Krishnamurti was a great mind. I totally understood him and live that way. Silence is the greatest spiritual tool, Something special happens when I am silent in voice and mind for a while. K said it this way. Love is where the me is not.

[@michaelg1569]

“Be still and know that I am”.

[@lancejones4636]

The ads and Deepak moving the book into view at 32:30... they feel incongruent with the level of conversation that Bernanrdo brings to the table. Shameful, Deepak. Revenue is important, sure, but it should not be #1.

[@jeremykastrup6907]

I’m going to watch this whole video this morning . But for now I leave my comment as a Kastrup

[@traceywolfe9059]

Thank you for assisting me in becoming a transcendent human being ❣ I employ you. Thank you world for you beindness in the evolution of humanity on a collective scale1

[@19582607]

Deepak, do you have knowledge if Bernardo feels sympathy for, and sustains Tom Campbell's work as well? I have never heard him mentioning Tom when discussing the nature of consciousness. He does seem to recognize the work of Don Hoffman.

[@robopoet]

the contrast between the superficial, shallow ads with the deep conversation is jarring.

[@Jenterke]

I'm pretty sure Kant said that even our inner life appears to us not as it is in itself, but as constituted by the Forms of Intuition. F.i. our Thoughts are arranged in Time, but time is a Form of Intuition and we cannot know if it exists in the thing in itself. I honestly find this hard to argue with, so I guess it's time for a deeper study of Schopenhauer.

[@hbolano100]

Bernardo lives his philosphy.

[@luciachagas827]

Dear Bernardo, loved your cat,

[@realcygnus]

Love me a good cow kitty too. Magnificent furry creatures. 😂

[@rooruffneck]

Bernardo's cat always shows up at wonderful moments ;)

[@strategysprints]

Kant and Schopenhauer: We are confounding the images for the things itself.

[@MindRiderFPV]

Great debate.

[@dr.satishsharma9794]

"Excellent".... thanks 🙏.

[@adayinapril581]

Both are brilliant.

[@adriancioroianu1704]

BK is, Chopra is here just to hear you call him brilliant.

[@ljohnson7124]

I’m looking forward to the why it matters part now

[@michaelg1569]

It doesn’t. What does?

[@AngelicaChristi]

Wonderful dialogue --thank you

[@VenusLover17]

Beautiful. Thanks so much!!!

[@ManMindMoney]

जिसको जो कहना है कहने दो आपका क्या जाता है समय-समय की बात है वक्त सबका आता है🖋️✨💯

[@lenaadamopoulos6750]

through all the philosophical wisdom presented here, i dont see how Plato isnt mentioned once

[@soubhikmukherjee6871]

It doesn't need a Kastrup to realize that materialism is deeply flawed.

[@michaelg1569]

What is “it”?

[@claudelebel49]

Jed McKenna refers to these two perspectives as C-Rex and U-Rex, consciousness is King versus the universe in his amusing book, a theory of everything.

[@svarupa]

DR Chopra please invite Tom Campbell of My Big TOE to your show! He just had an interview with BK and it was great!

[@michaelwirth4676]

Archetypal systems such as astrology, which Jung appreciated, should be of interest to Bernardo. I'm willing to make a solar harmonic chart and analysis for Bernardo if a birthdate and ideally a birth time is provided. He was born in Rio de Janeiro but no other info via google.

[@donfields1234]

Hold on... arguing? Why argue, or is that just a linguistic convention, Deepok? So, I am curious if Deepok knows of Tom Campbells' work. I know Tom is aware of Deepok. Tom is a physists who has "the theory" of everything that seems to wrap it all up, and it is consciousness that is the base... reality is like a virtual reality, etc. Excellent work, and it really should be studied by anyone seeking the truth, imho.

[@angelicaskelly8507]

Brilliant! Thank you!

[@asomaskanda]

You can have only a perceptual experience of fire. In order to really experience fire (not its properties like light, heat etc) you have to become fire itself. Is that possible? Yes, it is in yogic science. You can become one with it in deep intense yogic practice. There have been innumerable examples of yogic demonstration of that. But yogis do that not for Dharshanam (public display) but for Nidhashanam (giving the direct experience to a sincere seeker)

[@rekhav4757]

Most interesting ! 🙏🙏🙏

[@esod6527]

Spin charge mass as the three gunas is brilliant!!!

[@michaelg1569]

Where to from here?

[@pathwithin8856]

I think you really kick ass BK!

[@chrisallard1819]

Fabulous - thank you

[@williamlovett3775]

The philosophy of Plato's time was a different animal than the philosophy of today.

[@claudelebel49]

I think his movie analogy would be better with the screen no longer existing but only the images. Standalone images with no screen!?

[@jjhowelllaw]

Damn Depak, chill out with the ads

[@youtubecanal]

Great guest…

[@mba321]

Love Bernardo. Deepak, not so much. I understand Bernardo has to get his name out there by rubbing elbows with more recognized names, but in my opinion, you're too good for him, Bernardo!!

[@michaelg1569]

If the only way to know Consciousness is thru transcendental experience, what is the value of talking about it? Doesn’t talk inflate the ego of the listener as well as the speaker? Listening to all these talks seems liking watching the speakers rearrange the books in my library.

[@kee3923]

How to reconcile science and spirituality? I think science is inventing rules that of existence only from material perspective so there is no reconciliation as of today 🥺💔

[@ionatanaflamestyle]

One is a tool, one is a way of life

[@pandawandas]

Science is not a philosophy. Science is a study of nature's behaviour. Spirituality is how to interpret that behaviour.

[@michaelg1569]

There is a book called “The Science of Religion” and a teaching called Religious Science. It’s possible to experience infinity using the scientific method.

[@E______]

If every thought changes the space time geometry then we should mind our thoughts and always be in gratitude. This is the simplest answer but let’s break it down. I would say any sort of cultural or societal conditioning is akin to brain damage because of false beliefs and assumptions causes a division within you that makes you feel you are separate from this universe. I would go as far as saying thinking (in a divided from the whole way) is mathematical but a paradigm shift (into a universal I’m not separate from the whole way of seeing and awareness$ is a quantum operating state of being but which still is dependent on capturing the quintessence of mathematical way of thinking. So to die to all information and knowledge in the deepest sense of your being and to be reborn from the ashes with a fresh unconditioned mind that can finally see those subtle nuances of our thought process that hides those assumptions and beliefs from us.

[@leobartoli3706]

No you're right - direct experience of transcendence. And you're being modest to suggest you may be wrong, for with it comes an unshakeable certainty of Truth. Moreover many need not go into a sweat lodge and have a great epiphany, for some have a full-time gauge that is on at all times. (excepting perhaps when one is being poisoned) A=A

[@michaelg1569]

Self knowledge is flunked - Valentine Michael Smith

[@bryantkelly2342]

Correct.

[@pettiprue]

Is it that a zillion universes pop up for every individual observation, or is it a universe pops up for each and every observation made. So if I collapse the wave form by observing my couch, there is one collapse (one universe). If I am having big party and 100 people observe my couch there are 100 collapses, 100 couches and 100 universe. We see the same couch because there is one 'knowing', or shared consciousness. (At my party are 100 disassociated alters - it is ok, we can't help it).

[@silverrune17]

Wow!

[@julesskodzinski8673]

Deepak It’s probably the most successful con man I’ve ever seen

[@WestCliffSkater]

Could Ego and Avarice be why I don't trust DC's motives? I know he is probably doing some good in the world. "Once we get to that stage then we understand the potential of extrasensory perception. Now, I have that experience all the time anyway but I can't talk about it because I have no scientific framework; they'll say this guy is a Psycho. They'll say he should go with the new age hippies. But when he mentioned this, Don Grassia, I see now that we do have a future science where going beyond subject object split actually helps us to create even new technologies"

[@goodquestion7915]

Bernardo and Deepak share the same epistemological approach. I can hardly differentiate among them in their conclusions about the basis of reality.

[@pascalguerandel8181]

Deepak and Kastrup, this is definitely entanglement, lol!

[@oneworld1563]

Crazy. One question: what and where is my mind when it is blown to bits? :-)

[@siestabluell8374]

"We are mistaking appearances for the thing in itself." Apropos political campaigns. The electorate is left trying to pull results out of the promises.

[@matthewkopp2391]

Can you quantify the thing-in-itself? I Kant.

[@michaelg1569]

Are you speaking about spontaneous combustion?

[@coryc.9709]

The truth about the nature is reality must be accessible to everyone. Equipment and infrastructure is an abstraction from empirical observation. Science focused outward early on (The Christian worldview from which scientific thought emerged is also quite materialist) and skipped over the most obvious starting point.

[@rudrakshagarwal3357]

If all the living organisms in the universe die, will it still exist. As it exist as a product of observation becoz of all observers die than how will we know it ever existed?? Isn’t that the big-bang and evolution process took place so that it could reach a point of giving rise to humans so that the pure consciousness can be experienced

[@ionatanaflamestyle]

Mind at large could observe possibly.

[@كيمدبلنيبنن]

I love Deepak chopra 💚

[@sonnycorbi4316]

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE READ THE HUNDREDTH MONKEY - THE US ARMY HAD OR HAS A REMOTE VIEW SECTION - TELLS ME THERE IS ONE CONSCIOUS OR LIFE FORCE THAT WE ALL SHARE NOT JUST A SINGLE CONSCIOUSNESS PRODUCED BY AN INDIVIDUAL BRAIN -

[@alexisrosalesruiz7334]

Chopra has no credibility on this subject.

[@briancannard7335]

Sean Carroll Erik J. Larson Carlo Rovelli Federico Faggin

[@matthewbender5028]

It’s interesting or ironic when they talk about reductionism and accuse the culture of assumptions about reality.

[@peterscherba4138]

ADS ARE pissing me off! Chopra do something WE don't like it!

[@gtournakis]

👍👍🙏

[@NKHTAROT]

💖⭐🌹I love your channel....my channel is growing a little more everyday, I try to deliver the same guidance and stress relief as you , I am so inspired by your healing and knowledge, thank you💛👏

[@adriancioroianu1704]

I came here for BK but i can't possibly stand this Deepak Chopra guy.

[@coolstorybro6076]

Any person who claims to be an "enlightened mystic" yet is constantly trying to sell something for his personal gain and pushing ad is called a "hypocrite" by true enlightened mystics.

[@mortennielsen3296]

Distastefull that a spiritual guru like deepak smears your consciousness with that much marketing. Relax with the ads.

[@peterscherba4138]

I clicked 'dislike' because of these INTRUSIVE ads!

[@goodquestion7915]

At last, the epistemological twin brothers together. I was starting to lose hope.

[@holoman7601]

Hi Deepak. I'm surprised that you haven't discovered the answer. The holographic principle of quantum gravity answers this question in an obvious, straightforward and scientific way. Visit the Science and Nonduality WordPress website and look for the article: A Brief Look Behind the Curtain for the details. Discover who the Wizard behind the curtain really is. :)

[@peterscherba4138]

YOURE SUPPOSED TO BE Spiritual?/ Why all these $$ ADS??

[@rooruffneck]

I mainly agree with Bernardo and I always learn something from him. He's a titan. But I think he is wrong when he characterizes materialism as claiming that we get experience from a description. He is correct that we start with experience and then use number as a way to describe and talk about it. But the materialist doesn't believe that the description itself is what is out there as the fundamental property of the world. The materialist uses number/quantity to talk ABOUT this material base of reality but the materialist does not conflate the linguistic use of number/quanity with what they suspect is at the base of reality. I am an idealist but it is strange that Bernardo consistently claims that materialists do not distinguish between linguistic activity and what they consider to be the bases of reality.

[@beherenowspace1863]

So what does a materialist think is the thing in itself if not their descriptions of matter?

[@beherenowspace1863]

He’s definitely up for debating anyone

[@BugRib]

The materialist/physicalist position is that a purely quantitative (i.e. mathematical) description of matter & everything else in the universe is exhaustive. The are no pure qualities. The problem with that, of course, is that conscious experience is _qualitative_ in that it is comprised of _pure qualities_ like the redness of red. This is a logically unbridgeable explanatory gap between mind and world. I think this qualitative/quantitative divide might be what Bernardo is talking about (haven’t watched the video yet). Materialism/physicalism _clearly_ leaves something out, despite its claim that the material/physical is all that exists. It leaves out the pure qualities of experience...and it leaves out the experience and experiencer themselves as well.

[@rooruffneck]

@@beherenowspace1863 Wait, you really think that a materialist believes that the base of reality is a linguistic phenomenon of describing something else? Materialism has so many weaknesses in its arguements, I don't understand the need to claim that they believe that reality is fundamentally a product of cognitive description.

[@rooruffneck]

@@NOCOMPLYE Yeah Woerlee was not a debate but a very friendly discussion. Bernardo and Goff have horrible chemistry :)

[@MountainDharma]

The cat is controlling Bernardo’s mind

[@chancerest3863]

when i think deepak chopra, i think man, that guy has scammed so many people into buying his books

[@asadzee1]

Both of them are the epic manifestation of pure subjectivism - less than snake oil sales person selling half baked absurd theory of consciousness!

[@adriancioroianu1704]

Well , i would like to hear some counter arguments against BK because you seem to be very on top of it with this statement. Btw what is consciousness? Have you heard of primary and secondary features? Have you heard of Galileo's distinction? No ofc,, you just repeat what you heard from other without thinking. Nice unchecked herd mentality while accusing other people who work and think extremely hard (i'm talking about BK not this monument of vanity called Deepak Chopra) of "pure subjectivism".

[@sonnycorbi4316]

CONSCIOUSNESS IS A NO BRAINER - (PUN INTENDED) - THIS FORM I MANIFEST IS SOON TO BE 80 - I ONCE SAW A BUMPER STICKER THAT SAID, “GIVE ME AMBIGUITY OR GIVE ME SOMETHING ELSE” - I AM A VISUAL ARTIST, I READ AND WRITE ART FLUENTLY - VISUAL ART IS OUR PRIMAL LANGUAGE WITH AN INFINITE ALPHABET AN A INFINITE COMPOSITIONS - VISUAL ART IS THE ‘CHANNEL/LINK WITH THE SUM’TOTAL, CONSCIOUSNESS OUR “EDUCATION SYSTEM” - GRAMMAR, MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL - TREAT VISUAL ART AS THOUGH IT WERE CUTE LITTLE PICTURES OF DAISIES AND A ELECTIVE STUDY AT BEST AND THE FIRST THING TO BE SCRUBBED WHEN FUNDS ARE TIGHT - VISUAL ART SHOULD BE MANDATORY FROM PRESCHOOL THRU OUR HIGHEST PHD - I COULD ELABORATE BUT I FEEL AS THOUGH I WOULD BE TRYING TO SHOOT STARS WITH A BEE BEE GUN - I PAINT/DRAW THE FUTURE AND UNLIKE A PALM READER I HAVE A PICTURE OF COMING EVENTS - THIS IS NOT A METAPHYSICAL OR PHILOSOPHICAL ELEMENT THIS IS A LEARNED THING BY WAY OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ALL CAN DO BUT DON’T KNOW WE CAN - THE KEY THAT UNLOCKS THE DOOR TO THE MAGIC IS UNDERSTANDING ART IS A NEBULOUS WORD IT MEANS EVERYTHING AND IT MEANS NOTHING

[@lsb2623]

Deepak really seems like that rich guy who screwed my entire company of hundreds over like a robber baron. Just a vibe... intuition. I could be off.

[@owretchedman]

I need a shower to wash off the bullshit.

[@clubadv]

Bernardo, so surprised and intellectual like yourself is willing to engage such pseudoscience minded people as Chopra