Defending the 30-06 Springfield!

[@darrelllogan1274]

Oh, and by the way, the 30-06 doesn't need any defending to anyone who knows the real deal.

[@hopefulballistics]

You’re correct on that

[@nmelkhunter1]

@@darrelllogan1274 ☝️

[@raytribble8075]

In 1970 a 10 year old boy walked into the kitchen when his father said “come in here boy, I want to show you something” and as I rounded the corner, my father handed me a sporterized 30-06 1917 Enfield with a 3X (El Paso) Weaver scope on it. I was very excited to say the least. I could barely hold the thing up… but that did not matter. 7 days later, I took my first deer… a fork horn black tail buck and that started it all. I gave that rifle to my youngest grandson who will be one year old this 9-11-24… it will wait on him and my father kept the same $6.12 box of Sierra 168 grain bullets he taught me how to load for my first deer… inside the box… a note… “Raymond’s first deer” and 16 remaining unloaded bullets. So I loaded them and placed the note from my father inside for my grandson. The 30-06 will and always be a round that will never let you down if you do your part. I am a gunsmith and have built “God know how many” different chambering over the years and when a new shooter asks me “what caliber I recommend?” 30-06 rolls out “like water off a ducks back”. You can buy ammo ANYPLACE (for now) and “it kills bugs dead”. I do shoot long range, but… that is not real hunting… getting close enough to see the moisture on the nose of your quarry is hunting… thank you for your video sir.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@raytribble8075 great comment, thanks for sharing!

[@jaybailleaux630]

@@raytribble8075 True that.

[@Bragosso]

Great comment. From the other side of the age perspective, my brother and I are actively hunting with 4th generation rifles that our great grandpa bought in the early 60's. They are a little worn down but just as reliable to hunt with as 60 years ago.

[@MrCobb-rq8iv]

Been there done that; year 1950. It came off my shoulder, the scope took all the skin off my nose until the reticle came firmly to my forehead. Those were the days.

[@edwardabrams4972]

I might know a little about the 30-06😳 I have been a 60+ year gun collector, reloader and hunter. At my last check I have bought it owned over 2,400 rifles in about every brand and cartridge! I have 8 guns in for custom work at my gunsmith right now! Of all the cartridges I have owned and reloaded for and hunted with the 30-06 makes the most sense for most hunters for hunting and it shoots the widest range of bullet weights too! I have 3 cartridges I do most of all my hunting with and the 30-06 is one of the 3 cartridges🙌

[@hopefulballistics]

I appreciate you sharing your knowledge

[@UngulateGuardian797]

Have you ever had any 6-06 or 6-270 wildcat variants? I’m looking at building a 6-06AI to shoot 90-100 gr. projectiles.

[@edwardabrams4972]

No I haven’t I buy most of my rifles as stock as possible but I think changing or trying different cartridges is great🙌 Everyone needs a hobby so if that’s your thing the more the merrier and we learn more about rifles and cartridges while we are doing it! ​@@UngulateGuardian797

[@WillyK51]

@@UngulateGuardian797 25-06 rings a Bell? A bit biger than 243/6mm. Very simple to neck it down and AI it. Factory brass, get 280 AI, Just neck down

[@ronlowney4700]

Edward, What Are Your Other 2 Cartridges? 🤷‍♂️

[@dougchandler1248]

Ditto. I think he had tunnel vision for range rifles. Hunting rifles dont need to shoot a 5" group at a thousand yards.

[@MD-vm9hj]

I've used -06 on several Africa, NZ, Argentina, and large game hunts here in US...rarely, very rarely have I had to go above 1 shot to dispatch the game. My 2023 trip to Africa I hunted 12 species from Eland on down to Spring buck..and all 12 animals including the golden Wildebeast took 1rnd of 175grn Barnes LRX. The Sable I took was at 702yds, 1shot he didn't run 30ft. ..I reload and practice extensively with my -06 rifles and loads..they have never let me down..and because of this my friends also have purchased and use the -06 even though these new man bun carts are being marketed...great video

[@hopefulballistics]

Great comment, thanks! I appreciate you sharing your experience.

I watched Pete’s video the other day and I turned it off when he said the 300 PRC has less recoil. Awesome guy awesome, dude very intelligent but he’s obviously in bed with Hornady or something because that was blasphemous lol

[@hopefulballistics]

I was scratching my head, lol

[@edwardabrams4972]

You can’t be calling your mother in law ugly when your married to her daughter😳 Hornaday is the cause of most of our long range snipers problems we have today in our hunting sport! To them it’s all about the money not the love of hunting! Just like they lied about the PRC’s velocity spec’s to customers to sell their products😱 lied to me once shame on them lie to me twice shame on me for believing their lies🤔 I have grandkids that have been around hunting longer then Peter and know a lot more then he does because they have been around 4 generations of hunters who were about when John Nosler was in Ashland oregon in the 50’s and 60’s reloading and hunting with to see what actually works not some little kid shouting of how much he thinks not knows😱

[@eltongreen8030]

It probably does have less felt recoil in his heavy barrelled and muzzle braked rifles than it does in a 7.5 to 8.5 lb. sporter without a brake.

[@r.awilliams9815]

Yeah, it doesn't excite the 'a thousand yards is too close to shoot' crowd. Over a hundred years of success in the game fields worldwide evidently doesn't matter to them...but a slick advertising campaign does.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@r.awilliams9815 seems to be true

[@doylethorn9251]

I believe the new fangled rounds coming out are not relevant until you shoot past 300 yards. I personally have not shot a game animal over 200 yards.

[@galenpedersen4755]

Bingo

[@nmelkhunter1]

The thirty oh six is more than capable on bull wapiti out to 400 yards with good hand loads. So, you’re more than right.

[@jasonshults368]

400 yards? If you know what you're about, you can double that.

[@nmelkhunter1]

@@jasonshults368 I prefer ethical hunting distances.

[@glundgren2097]

I always move closer.

[@jaybailleaux630]

Geeeez the 30-06 is just so dang hard to beat as a hunting cartridge for non dangerous game. I like the 270 , 280 , 7mm-08, 7mm Remington Magnum and many more but they are not really any better. I owned many rifles and reloaded ammo for many more. 30-06 is the one gun I would keep if I had to sell my hunting rifles.

[@hopefulballistics]

Well said, thanks!

[@8MM.PRC.HUNTER]

If I had to choose only one caliber to use for the rest of my life for all big game hunting it would absolutely be the 30-06. But that would only be with my hand loaded ammo. I have been able to safely achieve up to 200 fps above standard factory ballistics and you are absolutely right stating that 65000 psi is safe in the '06. And if I were using only the 30-06, it would have a custom barrel with cut rifling from one of the better barrel makers and it would be 25 or even 26 inches long and in a little heavier contour such as that normally used in a magnum caliber. Such a gun would be more accurate, and have a little less recoil, than that of a standard factory barreled gun. But even a factory barreled '06 is extremely capable. The 30-06 really is the best balance of power and manageable recoil for a hunting cartridge. Plus it gives you more ammo capacity vs a magnum round, is widely available, and is very flexible and versatile. And barrel life is much better than that of any magnum 30.

[@hopefulballistics]

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Would your custom barrel be the standard 30-06, Ackley Improved, or something a little different?

[@8MM.PRC.HUNTER]

@@hopefulballistics I would choose the standard 30-06 but I would probably have JGS make me a custom reamer with my own custom freebore specs and head height.

[@TODinWY]

@@hopefulballistics All the AI cartridges really do is improve case stretch. Actual performance improvement is hardly worth the trouble.

[@davewinter2688]

71+ year old FUD here. I was laughing all the way through that guy’s Hornady testimonial. The worst was his absolute lack of knowledge about the 6.5x55. Even Ryan on the Vortex Nation pod cast stated same as what I say is that the hand loaded 6.5x55 will leave the 6.5 Creedmoor in the dust. It can be done safely with the Carl Gustaf M94/96/38 actions or the Husqvarna actions. Both are plenty strong. With those long actions you can seat the bullets farther out to take full advantage of the Swede’s larger case capacity. Also the twist rate on those rifles can handle those longer, heavier, high BC bullets. Depending on which model and barrel length the twist rates were between 7.5 and 8.5/1. I’ve stated before when other so-called influencers posting from their mother’s basement asserted that the 30-06 was no longer relevant, that the notion was purely ludicrous. It is still ludicrous. I don’t currently own a 30-06 but I do own a 300 H&H that I can load up or down with the appropriate bullet depending on my needs. If you happen to go to Africa and need ammunition you’re still going to find 300 H&H, 300 Win Mag, 30-06, 308 Winchester, 7x57 and even 6.5x55 in stock at gun stores. If you ask about PRC anything they’re going to say whaaat?! Happy hunting boys and girls!😊

[@hopefulballistics]

@@davewinter2688 yeah I was shocked by some of his comments. I like him overall, but we’ll have to agree to disagree, lol.

[@ratdaddy7774]

Just about every single new design is nothing more than an answer to questions never asked, they are nothing more than attempts to make more money

[@rosswitte]

I like that young lad but he sounded like a Hornady commercial. Should have said "Do you have a problem with your barrel lasting 5000 rounds or being able to find ammo anywhere, well we have the solution for you... Thanks for defending a Great American Hero that won a couple of world wars and fed a lot of families.

[@hopefulballistics]

lol, well said

[@couespursuit7350]

I have hunted out west in AZ, UT, CO and WY for Elk and deer for 50+ years and most of my shots in the last couple decades have been 200-350 yards. I can recall 3 times shooting past 350 up to 400 yards.

[@hopefulballistics]

I appreciate you sharing this.

[@tonybarnes5309]

We have a problem in our younger generation of hunters about ethical Hunting Distance . I do Live in West and playing Snicker team 6 on Animals is just flat out Wrong. 2 yr ago, guiding out fitting services where talking about having to tell people what caliber is expected to hunt with. The 6.5 Creedmore shoots paper great but lacks on large Animals . The Guides spent more time tracking wounded Animals than anything else. The 300PRC is a great long-range rifle, and yes, the 250 grain bullet bucks the wind but will absolutely Crush the Chest of a Elk it is way too much of a bullet. You should be hunting for the enjoyment of the stalk and the Meat not Hunting for horns. As a Hunting Community, we need to start policing and Correcting bad ethics before Big Government regulations do.

[@hopefulballistics]

I appreciate the comment

[@russellkeeling4387]

Well said.

[@russellkeeling4387]

Well said.

[@zacharyharwell351]

Personally I really think the whole "ethical hunting" discussion is extremely charged on both sides, the old-heads toward caution (maybe from old days where ammo wasn't as consistent) and a lot of the newer guys think they're Chris Kyle and trying to headshot deer at 1000 yards. If you're serious about hunting, and especially longer range hunting, you will be at least a part time target shooter; enough so you can get consistent accuracy, cold-bore or not. In that vein, if you are practiced with your rifle and load enough that you can land your shot within 2-3" of intended aim (generally within your kill zone) every time, then I don't think there IS a limit for ethical hunting aside from energy and speed for reliable expansion. The part of that equation the younger folks are missing is the ego check to let that shot go and get closer or look for another one.

[@tonybarnes5309]

@zacharyharwell351 I agree with you. I did not mention the young guy from Denver with the 300PRC he was a great shot with his custom-built gun. We were talking at the Range, and it was him who told me how he had used a 250gr bullet and how he was shocked at the Damage on his Elk. He said it totally crushed the chest of the Elk. I was watching him shoot with ease 1300 yrds out to 1550 yrds. I forgot at what distance he said he shot at on his Elk.

[@trevorkolmatycki4042]

Certain cartridges and certain rifles go together like peas and carrots. I’m a 300WSM and 270WIN guy so I technically have no need for a 30-06… however, If I were to get a Winchester model 70, I would feel compelled to get it chambered in 30-06… or 270WIN for that matter, especially if it has a sweet maple stock. A Winchester 70 chambered in 6.5CM or 6.5PRC or 7PRC or 300PRC just seems weird to me. Nostalgia is a thing in the world of factory rifles. Some folks, like Pieter, do not seem to experience, or care much, about nostalgia. To each their own.

[@hopefulballistics]

Thanks for the comment

[@nmelkhunter1]

Our Aussie friend needs to spend more time in the field since critters won’t know the difference. Just sayin’ based on experience.

[@craigparker4108]

LOL he is South African.

[@nmelkhunter1]

@@craigparker4108 Ok, so our Afrikaner friend needs to spend more time in the field. The point remains he is wrong.

[@WayStedYou]

He is in the field more than most people its more like he is sponsored by all the companies who want to sell the new thing to make $$ so he is doing what he is asked, sell more stuff.

[@nmelkhunter1]

@@WayStedYou Then he should be embarrassed for feeding people horse sh*t.

[@ronlowney4700]

😁 So, I Asked Pieter - After That Video and Him Naming ALL His Favorite Horneday Cartridges - Why in Horneday's Episode #73 (One Cartridge and One Bullet) Did ALL of Horneday's SENIOR BALASTICIANS Pick The 30-06 Over ALL The Cartridges They Designed? 😂 Pieter Still Hasn't Answered Me Yet! 😜 🦗🦗🦗

[@hopefulballistics]

Lol

[@ronlowney4700]

😁 Let Pieter Come Out To Montana and Take His "One Cartridge To Do It All" (6.5 prc) and Test His "Theory" on a Charging Wild Bison, Moose, Elk, and Grizzly Bear (🦬🫎🦌🐻)! I'll Bet On The Wildlife! 😂

[@ronlowney4700]

@hopefulballistics What Your Going To Find Out Is That ALL of These Popular "U-Tubers" Are on "Big Reds" Payroll (At Least Indirectly) and Aren't Going To Give An Honest Review! Some of These Younger Fells Are Also Inexperienced Hunters That Haven't "Been Their and Done That" Yet, For An Extended Period of Time (Proven Experience)! Ballistics Charts Don't Tell The Whole Story! 👨‍🏫 The 30-06 Has Survived 120 Years of Challengers and Is Still The #2 Most Popular 30 Caliber Hunting Cartridge For a Reason! 🤷‍♂️

[@boshoffbotha7830]

​@@ronlowney4700 seems like he has got himself a hornady sponsership. Same with Ron. Marketing money is going to KZbinrs

[@moxnix228]

I saw Pete's video a couple of days ago too. I like all cartridges and welcome all shooter into the fold. But you have to be careful who you take advise from. There are a lot of KZbinr's that have popular channels that live and hunt out west. They favor cartridges that are suited for the west. Problem is 70% of all the hunters live east of Oklahoma and rarely have hunting opportunities past 500 yards. I take a lot of advise from KZbin with a grain of salt. It's more for entertainment value only.

[@hopefulballistics]

Well said

[@afader6898]

The 30-06 is the greatest round that mankind will ever create.

[@hopefulballistics]

Thanks

[@afader6898]

Your welcome, ive shot the 35 grain nosler 22 in sabots, to 90 xtps, to the Barnes 250 original from my 30-06 rifles with zero issues, know more than a few people that own and use the 30-06, havent met any one that has a 300 prc yet

[@hopefulballistics]

@@afader6898 nice!

[@jwoak0913]

308 is the Lords Cartridge 🇺🇸

[@Westerner_]

Laughs in 35 Whelen

[@montanamusings]

I've never owned or shot a 30-06. I do believe in it's relevance. I just settled on the 7 mag years ago. Now that I have the 6.8 Western, I'm in Cartridge heaven.#savethe6.8western. Great video!

[@hopefulballistics]

Thanks

[@rogerclark9285]

The Ackley Improved 30-06 has a 40 degree shoulder angle. No need to re-invent the wheel.

[@ronlowney4700]

😁 And, Back in The 1950's Rocky Gibbs (From Viola, Idaho) Gave The 30-06 Family of Cartridges a 35 Degree Shoulder! His Favorite Was The 270 Gibbs Though - Which He Claimed To Be The Best Performing Cartridge Ever Made For a Handloader! 😜

[@gregb.6682]

I wish factory load performance was better matched to their stated performance. Sometimes there is a big difference. Matching test barrel length to the most common barrel length used in that caliber would be helpful.

[@hopefulballistics]

I agree

[@wimpieprinsloo5042]

Well said about Pete's comments. I am from South Africa and owning a 30-06 Howa in stainless with Hogue stock. It is new from March 2024. I enjoy it very much. My wife is also shooting it accurately and being less than 5ft tall. I shot springbuck, two kudu, a male and female, jackal for 2024. This 6.5, PRC's and creedmoor/evermore and what more BS talks, doesn't impress me at all. The 30-06 is relevant and will stay for that and like that, in years to come forward. I did obtained the 375hh for my dream cape buffalo hunt and for every thing else whilst in my hands at that moment. 30-06 for me all the way no matter what the nay-sayers spits out.

[@hopefulballistics]

Very nice!

[@Westerner_]

I like the old stuff, I like the new stuff. I hunt with a .375 Winchester lever action. Im out west and its not that hard to get within open sight distances on most animals and most situations, which renders every advantage of the Creedmoor, PRC, XYZ magnum useless. These new cartridges do get people interested in firearms and maybe re spark something in guys that we’re into guns but lost interest in it which is never a bad thing. I don’t think there’s any cartridge that deserves to be put down, new or old. It’s just a brass casing, powder and a bullet.

[@hopefulballistics]

Agreed!

[@glundgren2097]

I grew up reading hunting magazines with articles by the icons of the 20th century. Most rifles were 30-06 when we went to the range or deer camp. I've taken a bunch of animals since I passed the hunter safety class my 6th grade homeroom teacher offered. First shotgun was a 1100. First rifle was a Ruger 77 in .270 win. I have become an expert still hunter, often seeing deer, pigs or elk that don't know im there. This new shooter thing about 500+ yards shots is not hunting. My buddies and I studied archery tactics, so even if we screwed up we were in the zone. A group of blacktails walked between my buddy and I in the rain one morning so close we thought about touching one. We studied their food, moon phases, genetics... all before trailcams and fancy gear. Wearing army surplus camo and hi-teck boots. Moving quietly through the cover where animals are in the daytime is hunting. All the offspring of the 30-06 are excellent hunting cartridges.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@glundgren2097 I appreciate the comment!

[@Godfryness]

Literally just got my rifle back from my gunsmith in 2024 ruger m77 paddle stock 22in barrel 30-06AI. Freaking love what it does with Barnes 175 LRX

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Godfryness awesome!

[@aaronwilcox6417]

USOG on his channel pointed out that the design of the various Mauser and 30-06 type cartridges were designed for smooth easy feeding thru the integral style magazines of the day. A good field rifle in 30-06 can be very capable to take game as far away to 500yds and closer. This covers the vast majority of encounters in lots of places. Lets just call it and recognize that a lot of the firearm content it just advertising by a bunch of muffin heads claims what YOU need to use or own.

[@hopefulballistics]

I appreciate the comment

[@NorthwoodsNomad]

I started hunting with a Marlin lever action .30-30 when I was 14 years old. When I turned 21 , I bought a Savage model 110 chambered in .30-06 and hunted for many years harvesting a lot of whitetail deer in Northern Michigan . Over the years I got caught up in “the magnum craze “ and hunted elk , mule deer and black bear with .300 Win Mag / 7mm REM Mag and .300 WSM while living out in Colorado . I’m 60 years old now and have sold off all of those big magnums and I have just recently found my way back to the good ol venerable. 30-06 once again in a Winchester model 70 Featherweight. I’m living back in Michigan now and primary just hunt whitetail deer and black bear , but I still go out to Colorado to hunt with my brother , and I never feel like I am under gunned for the elk hunts out there with a .30-06 in my hands . And I am looking to acquire some reloading equipment to work up some hand loads , because as you said , factory ammo is just watered down and the .30-06 has much greater potential than what factory ammunition can provide.

[@hopefulballistics]

100%

[@CastIeBravo]

Newly published reloading data shows that you can get right at 2800 fps from a 180 grain bullet in a 30-06 with the right propellant and charge. I have no doubt that will a little recipe work-up you could get an even 2900 or more in some production rifles. But, go back 50 years and 3000 fps from a 180 grain bullet was 300 mag territory. 2900 from a non-magnum cartridge is nothing to sneeze at. 2985 from the .30-06 AI just makes the case for the 06 even more. Ref: Nosler version 8.3 .30-06 with a charge weight of 62 grains RL-22 pushing a 180 grain bullet to 2819 fps. Same source quotes .30-06 AI as 2985 fps.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I've been reloading the 190 gr ABLR for 30-06. It easily gets 2800 FPS

[@afader6898]

I get almost 2900 with accurate 4350 at two grains under max with 180s in three different 06 rifles

[@hopefulballistics]

Pretty good! 👍🏻

[@newcreation2521]

Yours is definitely the voice of reason on this topic. Watch me hold my peace about Impact Shooting.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@newcreation2521 alrighty

[@baconeater3468]

30-06 = Hunting rifle.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@baconeater3468 indeed

[@nmelkhunter1]

☝️ = Truth.

[@eltongreen8030]

He does have tunnel vision, but there is a 'new and improved' 30-06 out there, its just that it was created back in the 1920's I think. It is the P.O. Ackley Improved 40degree shoulder 30-06. It leaves the neck length alone but changes the shoulder angle to 40 degrees and straightens the body of the cartridge, giving the round another 100 to 150 fps in velocity. As to the shape of the '06, it had the taper and shoulder angle for reliable feeding and(more importantly) extraction under combat conditions. That's why John Browning kept the same dimensions when he scaled it up to the .50 caliber Mg round. That's also why the older dangerous game rifles had tapered cartridges. A dangerous game cartridge or a combat cartridge had to both feed and extract reliably every time or you got stomped, gored or shot when it didn't.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@eltongreen8030 I appreciate the comment

[@Tradmark454]

i elk hunt out west every year for the last 24 years, sometimes multiple elk. the furthest shot i've taken was 608 yards. most have been 100-250 yards. the prc to really really take advantage of it's design over a 300 win mag requires a longer action so they're not really compareable but the prc offers nothing over the 300 win mag in hunting situations. i love the creedmoor but within 400 yards it kills elk better than the creedmoor though the creedmoor works well if you pick the bullets well. if you want reasonable recoil and the bullet mass to shoot anything, the 30.06 does it all. no need for a brake, and i wouldn't really recommend a non braked 300 prc in a hunting weight rifle for really anyone to shoot.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Tradmark454 if they did, they wouldn’t think it had less recoil, lol.

[@MilwaukeeDillPickles]

I think those “influencer” types get caught up in marketing hype and just regurgitate things without analyzing what they’re really saying. Thanks for always providing great analysis with objective data. And I appreciate that you have your opinions too but they’re experience and analytical driven and if you do apply feelings to your opinions you clearly state when they’re subjective. And that’s fine too! Great work as always!

[@hopefulballistics]

Thanks!

[@williamgaines9784]

Some of the "factory" guns shooting the newer cartridges will cost the same, or more, as customizing your 30-06 or 270 Win with tighter twist and longer throated barrel, to shoot the heavy sleeks, it will still shoot factory ammo that costs MUCH less than factory loadings of the new kids on the block. I would ALWAYS recommend .308 Win, 270 Win., and 30-06, for general use, and 243 Win or 6.5 Creed as whitetail and smaller. People getting started should buy what has the broadest available ammo and platform choices. Your point of the '06's beautifully long neck makes it great for loading the long heavies, but not bad for the short pills. Also, 308 and 30-06 will have quantities of surplus ammo and brass that will make them viable, even if loading for "daughter" cartridges, like 7-08, 25-06, 358 Win or 35 Whelen to name a few, that the PRCs will NEVER see. Piet isn't "wrong", but he isn't correct. If someone is wanting to get into PRC, PRC cartridges may be the ticket, but the do-alls of 30-06 Sprg or .308 Win, or 270 Win are 100% what should be recommended to someone testing the water as a hunter. One more point, then I am done for now... Does Hornady offer any "Custom Lite" ammo for their PRC cartridges? They do for 30-06 & 308 Win.🤨

[@hopefulballistics]

Well said!

[@SpudOutdoors]

Ole 30-06 can deliver 1500lbs past 700 yards with less powder than a lot of cartridges. It’s a beast

[@hopefulballistics]

A beast indeed

[@SpudOutdoors]

@@hopefulballistics 24” Kimber mountain ascent 5lbs 3.5oz bare rifle. 190 ABLR with RL17/ lapua brass/ 210 match primers hit 2938fps and AB puts the BC at .292 G7, that is 1500lbs at 754 yards.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@SpudOutdoors very nice!

[@johnkaraphillis754]

The ‘aught 6 will never go anywhere and never will be replaced! Not to us hunters. Maybe paper punchers and the koolaide crowd will gravitate to the newest cartridge introduced by the big red machine but not the seasoned hunters. If it’s guns, reloading, etc I’m all for it but let’s be realistic. Salute to the ‘06 and I don’t even own one!

[@hopefulballistics]

Right on!

[@Accuracy1st]

Guy Minor (if I got his name right), guest host on Ulimate Reloader, called Pete and asked why he hunts with and shoots Berger bullets. Pete stated on the phone his Berger hunting bullets shoot so well he's considering using Berger hunting bullets for competition. So, I'm confused by the comments indicating he must be in bed with Hornady. I like Pete and his channel. I subbed awhile back. I also respectfully disagree with his comment on the 30-06 but I also don't take it to heart because I know what style shooter and hunter he is. I've personally gone way overboard this year having purchased too many Tikka T3x rifles chambered in 30-06 but I keep finding new Hunters (blued/wood stock) for prices around $785 delivered and the most common MSRP I'm seeing on the Hunter is $1039. My intent is to convert most to something a bit different unless they are extremely impressive at the range as they are. I've got plans for a 6.5-284 Norma, a 270 O'Connor, 280AI, maybe a 6.5-06.

[@hopefulballistics]

I like his channel. We just disagree on the 30-06 apparently. No big deal.

[@Accuracy1st]

@@hopefulballistics Yea I disagree with him on that also.

[@Stu.E.]

@@Accuracy1st kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnvPqIyOgsd7oJIsi=QxDsJSZQrYBjSvG1 I saw that too.

[@0570965]

Used one on a competition, under 5 inch grouping at 500m: 550 yards.

[@hopefulballistics]

Cool

[@maximpestsolutions3696]

I Love my 30.06👌💛. Thanks for the Video 🙏🇨🇦.

[@hopefulballistics]

Thanks for watching

[@Stu.E.]

I agree with you, Pete was off base. I hope he addresses it in a future video.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Very good points! Great video!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@ReloadingWeatherby thanks!

[@KenaiDon]

i think you can load both the 30-06 and 300 win mag down in bullet wt. don't think you can do that with a 300 prc

[@scotthorner7709]

great video! thanks for doing this. love my new Tikka in 30-06

[@hopefulballistics]

@@scotthorner7709 right on! Your welcome!

[@preacherbiggin]

The Real Gunsmith (Randy Selby) has a great video concerning the 30-06 and loading it close to 300 win mag. Jaw dropping numbers. The 30-06 is ABSOLUTELY still relevant. With today's powders & projectiles, A PROPERLY quality rifle chambered correctly, & a decent barrel... plenty of gun for anything walking around in the North American continent.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@preacherbiggin amen!

[@markmorris4588]

No mention in Petes video of the 270w. I get so many looks when i use the 270 in target shooting out to 1000yds and very competitive

[@hopefulballistics]

What bullets are you using?

[@markmorris4588]

@@hopefulballistics i am using 145gn ELD X at the moment

[@debi5292]

The original velocity from 100 years ago is still the same today. This is all about preserving point of impact for the rifles sighted with older ammo. Nothing else.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@debi5292 thanks for watching

[@desertrat79]

When I'm selling newer shooters rifles, I take a consultative approach. I usually do offer suggestions other than 30-06 for some very viable reasons, BUT it's a fantastic and versatile cartridge. There are times when I do encourage it....but rarely is it my 1st choice.

[@hopefulballistics]

I appreciate your opinion

[@matthewknight1910]

Very popular here in Australia for Sambar

[@hopefulballistics]

@@matthewknight1910 awesome

[@bryankilgore9729]

The 260 will outperform the 6.5 creedmoor.

[@Accuracy1st]

I was considering a 260AI many years ago. I'll have to re-review that v the CM (Which I now own 3). There's a big box store about 40 min from me and they have 9 boxes of Lapua 260 brass heavily discounted.

[@msquared9605]

And the 6.5 creedmoor will outperform the 260

[@galenpedersen4755]

​@msquared9605 with heavy bullets, perhaps. The .260 will shoot

[@msquared9605]

@@galenpedersen4755 right, you’re helping me prove my point. Which is 260 does some things better, and 6.5 does some things better. Just depends on what you’re wanting the gun to do. AKA: both are better, neither are better

[@jaybailleaux630]

@@Accuracy1st The nicer thing a 260 Remington has over the 6.5 needmore is 260 cases are easily formed from the common 308 Winchester or 7mm-08. 6.5 needmore would require much more work and time. 260 over 6.5 needmore any day. A 6.5-06 would be a good choice.

[@christinamoneyhan5688]

I do love the utility of the 30-06 for it covers a game catagory especially if you reload. I just wish the ammunition factories would have stepped up when the 35 Whelen was standardized even the ammo offered still carries tons of energy for the really close up big game on a 30-06 case. As you say they are afraid to load it to its intended pressures due to older rifles built on military surplus.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@christinamoneyhan5688 I agree

[@user-tm4vz5hn2u]

I will stick with my 30-06 took it to 1000 yards but I hunt 650 yards and I use 180 grain and have been doing good with it!!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@user-tm4vz5hn2u nice

[@thomasdecember3910]

People always comparing the 3006 to mags that's how good the 3006 is . Apples to oranges

[@hopefulballistics]

@@thomasdecember3910 agreed

[@MDLamb80]

Sounds like he might work for Hornady? 😂

[@WayStedYou]

The strangest thing for me is Pieter lives in exactly the right place to get a standard cartridge due to availability of it existing, but I guess he is the kind of person who would get sent enough things for hand loading everything from various companies anyway so why would it matter to him?

[@hopefulballistics]

@@WayStedYou many newer cartridges are good, many older cartridges are good. “Mates don’t let mates get 30-06 in 2024” just bothered me.

[@BorealEDC]

This is all so perfectly timed because a video by Erik Cortina just came out called ethical hunting challenge. Go watch it. Basically shows all these top shots can't hit a 5 inch target at 500 yards with as much time as they choose, using any rig of their choice. There was one hit out of the lot. Who gives a shit about your 300 PRC being better than the ought-six if you can't hit your target at 500 anyway.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@BorealEDC I saw that video

[@bryankilgore9729]

You can also fire form the 260 rem. In the 260 AI.

[@nadineherrell5426]

Yes, you are right. Variable bullet weights. Can take any game on the Western hemisphere. Thanks. Good show.

[@hopefulballistics]

Thanks for watching!

[@WayneGent-t2l]

I totally agree with you I am not a Hornady hater I use some of there bullets from time to time mostly there 110 v max for coyotes But as far as there other bullets for large game I don't I use nosler or federal or Sierra. I feel lot of there bullets are over hipped and I feel there calibers are too. Most of the gains you get from there calibers don't show until you get out passed At least 500 yards and I don't shoot 500 yards at game I will stick with my 270 win 308 and 3006 for hunting.

[@hopefulballistics]

Thanks for the comment

[@Eric--zs6um]

30-06 is the GOAT in 30 cal regardless. I had a Rem 03A3 30-06 that was built 8/44. The barrel was a 2 groove 22"" long. It's best load pulled 147 gn and imr 4350 shot .75"" consistently. Grew up with a Rem 760 30-06 here in PA. Never needed any magnums

[@hopefulballistics]

Nice!

[@BigTimberLodge]

I own a 300 PRC and a 30-06... that dude obviously hasn't shot one or the other if he thinks the 300 PRC has less recoil.

[@hopefulballistics]

True

[@RockyMountainThugs]

I’ve got a 30-06 and a 7mm magnum bought the 30-06 as a mountain/backcountry gun as it doesn’t hit the shoulder too hard but if I have to lay the smackdown on a grizz with a 180 grain accubond I still can. Probably won’t be making any 600 yard shots on sheep but half the fun is getting within 400 yards

[@hopefulballistics]

Right on!

[@TODinWY]

Even today the '06 is available off the shelf in more places on this planet than any other rifle cartridge ever made. Good Stuff!

[@hopefulballistics]

True

[@zebacake4683]

i like pete and his videos, but the 30-06 slander is wild. I made a comment about me using the 215gr berger in it, at 2660fps, run the numbers and tell me its still antiquated...

[@hopefulballistics]

I agree with everything you said

[@zebacake4683]

@@hopefulballistics if you are at elevation of 1000 Feet or more, maybe you should make a video of the 30-06 with the kids 200gr smk hpbt with a bc of .710... Id imagine you could get almost 2800fps with it. I easily could get 2750 with the 215 Berger

[@hopefulballistics]

@@zebacake4683 I like that

[@zebacake4683]

@@hopefulballistics was thinking about making some videos on the 30-06 myself. If I get some of those bullets, I'll keep you updated.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@zebacake4683 sounds good

[@galenpedersen4755]

I was hoping someone would react to that Hornady endorsed propaganda video that I watched.

[@hopefulballistics]

I felt like I had too, lol.

[@user-eg8hb8xt3j]

I I hunt in grizzly country. I’ll take a 3006 all day over all these 6.5 cartridges . I’ve seen moose and elk lost from guys being under gunned for the job . I think he’s extremely far off in that video

[@approachingtarget.4503]

If it's not broken,why fix it. The 3006 can be assembled for any purpose. All other calibers could be eliminated, and the 3006 case can be adjusted to take their place. The manufacturers could spend all their production on 3006 and still remain in business. From sabo rounds to 230 grain Barnes. It will do everything.

[@hopefulballistics]

It’s hard to replace

[@eltongreen8030]

I forgot to mention: the '06 has about the most recoil most people can withstand over long range sessions and still be able to shoot accurately in a hunting-weight rifle, say around 8 to 9 pounds with a good scope. The Ackley Improved version is probably at the upper margin of tolerable recoil in a hunting rifle for most shooters, especially casual shooters. As to its long range capabilities, it is easily capable of shots over 1100 meters, or in excess of 1200 yards with 180, 190 and 200 grain spitzer boattail projectiles, and can shoot well inside 0.7 moa with the right powders and projectiles. Both Ruger and Remington have/do produce long range hunting rifles which have heavy Sporter/light Varmint barrels in -06 that will go inside 1/2 inch with good loads. Remington's Longrange 700 is 8 1/2 lbs, has a 26" barrel, an HS Precision stock and a Timney trigger from the factory. With a good variable scope of sufficient power, it would still weigh around 9 1/2 lbs and would easily class as a long range rifle in 30-06. The extra two inches in barrel length would give a 60 to 70 fps velocity increase over factory velocities, and if you hand load, 180 grain loads in 'o6 can be pushed past 2800 fps easily and safely with some of the newer powders. Just look at the Hornaday and Federal Superformance type loads or Buffalo Bore's loads for the cartridge. Finally, the '06 was a long range cartridge before any of the long range crowd today or their fathers were even born. Hathcock used it almost exclusively for sniping in Vietnam, and so did a number of other snipers. It easily ranged to 1,000 yards and beyond then, and it does so now. It isn't the newest and bestest flavor of the week, but it is reliable, accurate, effective, capable and far more available, not to mention less expensive in all the factory loadings (I reload all of mine) than, say, the 6.5 PRC or the 300 PRC, the latter if which has significantly more recoil, and is a ballistic twin of the 300 Winchester Magnum, another cartridge that I shoot whose ammunition is more readily available, has just as much reach as the PRC, and costs about half as much.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@eltongreen8030 👍🏻👍🏻

[@eltongreen8030]

Thanks. I've been shooting a 30-06 for over 55 years, and I find it to be a fine cartridge in the right rifle when used with the right scope. I also own and shoot the .308 win, 300 Win Mag, 25-06, 35 Whelen and a couple of other calibers. All of them will easily reach out as far as I want to shoot game, and the .35's will kill pretty much anything at any distance any of the 'flavor of the week' cartridges will but with considerable more authority. I shoot a Sierra 225 Gameking or a 250grain Speer Hotcor at a nominal 2730fps or 2700fps respectively in them and have shot both loads in practice well beyond 800 yards accurately. I did get William Trotter to put muzzle brakes on both 35's and both 300wm's, though. They needed them with heavy bullets and loads.

[@brazzy1467]

I own 4 rifles in 30-06 and each one has it's purpose. Love the 30-06.

[@hopefulballistics]

Awesome!

[@glennllewellyn7369]

He generated controversy and conversation. Beautiful. We all win.

[@bekkerbosbeer3453]

Ammo for all the needmores and prc calibers are super expensive and harder to find than any of the older original calibers...and reloading definitely not cheaper than buying a box of ammo

[@darrelllogan1274]

Peter is a douche. 30-06 is what I shoot and have killed lots of game with. SO, why would I not recommend it to my "mates"? Ammo availability, alone, is the final decision maker. Although, versatility is unequaled as well. It's a handloader's dream.

[@hopefulballistics]

I don’t have a problem with him, just his comments in this video on the 30-06.

[@darrelllogan1274]

@@hopefulballistics Well, you can count on me to call someone out when they spout off such nonsense.

[@bryanbest5113]

If your a long range, or competition shooter go with the old. Old school cartridges have ammo at Walmart, MA n Pa hardware. Hunting distances they're better. Find ammo or even components for the new stuff when your remote.

[@hopefulballistics]

Thanks

[@eltongreen8030]

Have you noticed how many experienced hunters who bought the 'newest and bestest thing' have returned to the 30-06 or the .280 or the .270? There may be a reason, huh?

[@hopefulballistics]

@@eltongreen8030 those cartridges still hold up today

[@jayshults8920]

You hit on something that I have said for years. Why are people comparing 3006 to the 7mm mag and other mags. Are they that set on making the 06 look bad.

[@hopefulballistics]

True

[@DrewEdwardBacklas]

If anything 300rcm (also a Hornady cartridge) is more comparable to 30-06. And you mentioned that as I was typing.

[@hopefulballistics]

Yep

[@jjgriffin3275]

270 win is better than 3006, I said it !

[@hopefulballistics]

Alrighty

[@ryanglass3570]

Peter is pretty young and they say stupid stuff a lot. I also have the 7prc and the 6.5 cr and they are great rifles. Also load for 30-06 180 gr. bullet at 2840 fps and shoot it well at 1000 yds and that is better than the hornady factory 7prc loads.

[@hopefulballistics]

I like his channel, I just think he’s way underestimating the 30-06.

[@ryanglass3570]

@@hopefulballistics Yes sir 500 yards and in is perfect for any large game in North America.

[@kenrasmussen4270]

how many other cartridges have come from the 30-06

[@hopefulballistics]

A lot of

[@Accuracy1st]

I know this video is not about your new Tikka 708. I just won a LNIB Hunter left hand Tikka T3x so that will be my 2nd Tikka in 708. I'm going to either buy a big batch of Alpha Munitions brass or Lapua. I think I've found both available. Right now we have "tax free week" in Ohio. I got quite a bit of 7mm 140 Nosler ballistic tips to load. Already have a lot of ELDX 150s and Ballistic tip 150s. I guess I should have bought the 2 boxes of 120 grain TTSX they had. What are your loading plans for your 708?

[@hopefulballistics]

That’s fantastic, I’m glad! 110 TTSX, 120 TTSX, 139 LRX, 100 Varminter, 150 ABLR, 160 Partition to start with.

[@Accuracy1st]

@@hopefulballistics You have brass?

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Accuracy1st yeah all Winchester that was given to me and maybe some PPU. I haven’t bought brass specifically for it yet.

[@ShaunZimmerman668]

I like peter from what i can tell. Hu! Didnt expect to hear that on this channel! Lol!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@ShaunZimmerman668 agreed

[@rexking3698]

I'm so glad you responded to that video. I saw this earlier today and just do not agree. I don't hate the creedmor line and would like a 22 creed. But this hornady fanboy is off his rocker. Just skipped over the 6.8 western and didn't mention the 28 nosler. I'm not a 6.8 western fan or nosler but I understand their modern cartridges. I'd pick a 3006 before any thing he mentioned for hunting.

[@hopefulballistics]

I appreciate the comment

[@russellkeeling4387]

I agree that having a shot at 400 yards is not common. When standing at a fence line and looking across a 40 acre pasture which is 440 yards it is a long way. Anyone I know doesn't feel they are much of a hunter if they have to shoot at an animal that far away. Lobbing rounds at an animal is not ethical and real hunters don't do it.

[@hopefulballistics]

I agree

[@bryankilgore9729]

I have a 6.5 creedmoor and like it, but the 260 has 50 per second faster in factory ammo. The AI get you up in 2800 ft at the muzzle. I have heard good things about the 260 AI.

[@hopefulballistics]

260 is a good cartridge

[@robertpetersson5655]

80% of killed moose in sweden is in the range 20-80m. Thats the reson 80% of new rifles is in 308 win.

[@hopefulballistics]

Interesting, thanks

[@jeffreywilson690]

I commented on that video, how big was the check from Hornady

[@bobmyers2514]

Isn't 3006 made in Ackley improved?maybe 3006 should be loaded like 45 70 at different pressure levels ,like garland has always been but take it up to 65000 psi like 308 in modern rifles

[@hopefulballistics]

There is a 30-06 ai wildcat, yes. 40 degree shoulder angle.

[@Fireworxs2012]

*Sticking to .30 caliber....Actually, the answer is a resounding NO. I have nothing against the 30-06, I just have no use for it...Almost everything the 30-06 can do, the .308 can do cheaper and is inherently more accurate, whatever the .308 can't do, the 300 Winchester can do better than the 30-06 with the exact same bullets and the same powder charge. For Us reloaders, 30-06 Brass has also gotten prohibitively expensive and due to the pressure the '06 creates, it's notoriously hard on brass. With proper resizing protocols, the 308 & the 300 Win are both easy on brass...Keep in mind, the US Military abandoned the 30-06. for a reason*

[@hopefulballistics]

I haven’t had the “hard on brass” experience” with 30-06. I would say the contrary. There is an argument to be made that 308 and 300 mag are a great combo. You could also say the 30-06 is in the middle and would be the best if you had only one.

[@Fireworxs2012]

@@hopefulballistics *I'm in my mid 60's and I've been reloading (including the 30-06, I reload for other shooters) since the 1980's...I've never shot at an animal or a target and then thought, "gee I wish I had a 30-06". These days, to almost all of us, with the price of components skyrocketing, every grain of powder matters. To avoid the detonation monster, even at minimal lodes, the 06 requires somewhere around 20%-30% more powder (predicated on the load you're working with) than the .308 (73 grains vs. 49 grains-. (approximate & respective) and up to the180 grain bullet, provides almost zero advantage over the .308. The 300 Win on the other hand, can handle everything the 06 can handle +, and has the advantage of a substantial increase in velocity & range over the 06 in all load incarnations...Which is exactly why, the 300 Win is the US Sniper's Team COC. High BC bullets at high velocity are absolutely lethal due to the high SD they usually come with...The Springfield has disadvantage of being stuck in the middle without offering any real advantage over either. Don't even get me started on my PALMA days with the 06...(short story-I had major issues with brass longevity)*

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Fireworxs2012 guys the point of the video is that 300 prc isn’t the best comparison to the 30-06 and it definitely doesn’t have less recoil. And that 30-06 can still be great in 2024. You could definitely compare the 308 to the 30-06, but Pieter says throw the 308 away and replace it with 6.5 creedmoor.

[@Manbunmen65]

Long actions are a thing of the past. They still work, but there's a better way to get just as much or more from a short action.

[@hopefulballistics]

You don’t like the 7mm prc, 300 prc, or 30-06?

[@jeffreyadams5017]

Boone and Crockett brown bear record still held by 30.06. my lightweight 30.06 has less recoil than my heavier weight rifle with a muzzle break in 300 win mag. His recoil claim (peter) about the 300 prc is laughable.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@jeffreyadams5017 yes indeed

[@garyh1449]

When ever I hear talk about a cartridge, it in most cases, it is compared to the 30-06. (the old standard) I hear to much hype on what cartridge is better. Application determines that. Is a .308 better than a 22lr if I am only hunting squarrels? My opinion is get what is best suited for what you are hunting, keeping in mind the availability of ammo. The 30-06 isn't going away for a long, long time.

[@hopefulballistics]

True

[@alexkalish8288]

I don't take hunting advise from Australians. I love the old 30 06 and know African hunters who seldom use anything else even on Lion. Uncommon cartridges are just silly - For common hunting I like the 270 win mag, the 300 Wby and the 30 '06. I have dies for all of them. For Africa I carry the 300 Wby and a 375 H & H. - I have a 416 Rigby heavy but have only used it a couple times. Eagles Nest is right up the road from me just north of Taos.

[@hopefulballistics]

30-06 on lions, that’s cool.

[@landenrobbins9936]

He’s from South Africa

[@warrenpolidori5541]

I think too much is being made about cartridges that excel at long range and those used at ethical hunting range. Nothing wrong with any of the classics, 30-06 included. Dead deer is a dead deer, but the 30-06 has been doing it longer than most.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@warrenpolidori5541 yes indeed

[@russellkeeling4387]

That guy was just another creedmoor fanboy.

[@jacobmullins3644]

Gonna go buy another 30-06 even though I don't need to don't try to stop me

[@hopefulballistics]

Go for it

[@bryankilgore9729]

He has to be sponsored by Hornady!! No new Nosler cartridges!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@bryankilgore9729 maybe, lol

[@TrapperE6107]

30-06 is THE Pennsylvania bear cartridge.

[@hopefulballistics]

Nice

[@allenarneson4349]

Opinions are like Butts, Everybody has one and they all stink. I agree that people can have opinions and disagree on many subjects - this is America. But with that said - my first and only 3.06 rifle is a 1954 M1 Garand. Love the rifle and I load my own ammo. Accurate enough for me.

[@ilijadjenic5565]

...Well,this kind of explanation of a simple but also scienific,fast is a reflecion of a man who,with kindness and science,camly destroys all convictions.