Do You Even Remember These Pokemon?

[@FalseSwipeGaming]

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[@雪者]

ok

[@Jesussaves852]

Jesus loves you and may God bless

[@YesImJoeKing]

Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪

[@juanderijillo]

did we just get a false swipe chin reveal

[@bdt2002gaming]

Hearing “Beard & Balls” in an actual FSG video was not on my 2024 bingo card 💀

[@rotomRASENGAN]

RIP Lumineon, no How BAD Was Lumineon video. The ultimate dishonor, even worse than being Untiered.

[@Wildcatt1999]

Ouch! Oof! And yikes!

[@JJNWSGHOST0299]

It's rough being a Lumineon fan.

[@thatman666]

Only the patreons can will that video into existence.

[@CommentPositionInformer]

Well, getting your own 'Theorem' is at least a distinguish position. True disrespect is to all the *other* forgotten Pokémon in this video, who were relegated to simple instances of the Lumineon theorem.

[@nightdazernoneya7993]

Righteous Red does a similar thing, fixing the Gen 1 Pokémon and making them all competitively viable and useable in-game, highly recommend it.

[@EggscellentTree]

Plusle getting banned to ubers 135 speed with 130 special attack , stab boltbeam and 1 time priority immunity is crazy

[@terror2535]

honestly probably wouldn't even be banned with how gen 9 has gone

[@grrman]

Eh, it'll behave like a worse Deoxys I reckon

It will be NU by the next generation.

[@elaias4955]

@@grrmanno it’s basically flutter mane stats with boltbeam coverage. straight to Ubers

[@grrman]

@@elaias4955 Where it'll get absolutely trounced on and be relegated to UbersUU

[@Shomomomo]

I’m convinced that half the Pokédex can be “fixed” at this point by giving them all half Fairy typing

[@temhunter6341]

I mean yeah that makes sense given how good fairy typing is

[@Materialist39]

poison type buff too

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

Yknow its kinda funny how Fairy became the new Dragon. "Gardevoir, you were the chosen one, you were supposed to destroy the busted Types, not join them!"

[@awqweird]

@@pkmntrainerred4247 I don't think that's a great comparison old dragon was broken because it only had one resistance and a stab 140 base power move, fairy is more strong as a defensive type because its only two weaknesses aren't the best offensive types. most of the old dragons aren't great defensively because they're quad weak to ice and ice is a very good offensive type.

[@memekyu_memes]

Yeah, Grass Fairy Lilligant as an example

[@ShinyKelp]

Bro gave Meganium 610 bst, dragon dance and STAB glaive rush with adaptability and said "yup, seems reasonable".

[@memekyu_memes]

Literally Gamefreak when designing Pokémon.

[@mathewricafrente5984]

That makes Annihilape seem almost reasonable

[@pixelbro99]

Imagine if they gave it Grassy Surge and Grassy Glide. 😈

[@TheDiscoGenre]

Meganium does suck a lot; its fine. No one wants another Electivire or Magmortar in terms of sucking.

[@DarkAuraLord]

and it still probably wouldn't see OU in gen 9

[@King_Nipper]

Well, so this is what happens when FalseSwipeGaming gets drunk.

[@frostfalcon]

These buffs seem excessive. Did it not occur to anyone that you're giving meganium a 610 base stat total? Higher than even pseudo legendaries, let alone the other starters that it should be on par with.

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

Gen 9 Power Creep and Paradox Pokemon min-maxing has broken him.

[@yungmuney5903]

Imo, it's not really excessive when you look at recent pokemon designs.

[@shadowkirbae4289]

@@yungmuney5903 It really is excessive tho, none of these buffs are even remotely realistic..

[@CosmicPlatonix]

Justified. Meganium has been unfairly kept in the trash heap for so long that it *deserves* overcompensation.

[@jonathanmercado8468]

Meganium is one the few starters left behind while rest got buffed with stats, new moves, or a different evolution. So yes it's needed

[@echotheblackchrimson]

Honestly these changes are so drastic they may as well be evolutions, which flies in the face of the notion that you're trying to avoid adding evolutions or anything in the first place.

[@axlr8deathpls294]

Yeah, I don't like having evolutions for pokemon because 2-stage and single stage mons are rare enough and I like buffing mons hugely in my romhacks but it is very jarring to see 90 HP 90 defense 130 Spdef minun lmao. Feels kinda shallow since imo not every pokemon needs to be equal, they just need to be able to actually play the game and be usable. Also buffs like these are completely out of touch with in-game vanilla. Maybe if other weaker pokemon are buffed as well to the point the power ceiling becomes much higher but rn, just give lumineon 20+ SPatk, hurricane and quiver dance and call it a day.

[@goGothitaLOL]

@@axlr8deathpls2942-stage lines/mons are much more common than 3-stage lines/mons by a landslide What are you talking about?!

[@agatha6999]

To be fair they're trying to make them competitive unlike someone like Zen Mode who's just trying to make them fun to play or unique. I think they showed reasonable enough restraint in the sense that they had to make them competitive in some way without just going crazy

[@StirFryTuna]

Yea the BST addition was wild, I was expecting at most a 20 BST buff as reasonable. Otherwise what buffs we need are some ability buffs or type changes. I do like the idea of makimg Lumineon into water/fairy though. If I was to rework Plus and Minus to be effective in singles as well, I'd just make Plus boost attack and special attack whenever an electric attack is used and Minus can boost defense and special defense when an electric attack is used (this works with twave wink wink). Oh and when I say an electric attack is used, it means from either you or the foe but no damage immunity so you still take damage from electric attacks.

[@TheGreatSpanishBaldwin]

Yeah how exactly is adding 85 to base stats, new typing, overhauled moves and abilities…any different at all from mega evolutions? The only thing they did was retain 15 BST in exchange for letting them hold an item, which is just better than a mega.

[@MMM_Rocketeer]

I’d like a more realistic version of this in line with actual gamefreak buffs… giving Meganium stats above pseudos is not an actual fix.

[@eliarthur6868]

After Martactus bro lost me

[@hamdepaf6686]

yea I wrote a similar comment. This video is just a big "these pokemon would be good if they where completely different pokemon"...

[@shadowkirbae4289]

@@eliarthur6868 Same lol. Yea man let's give Meganium +85 stats and all those other buffs. What do you mean it's a starter and we can't buff only 1 of them? This video was just weird imo.

[@dozokhu7392]

Once I heard plusle I became pretty convinced the rest of the buffs were a joke tbh

[@scrittle]

The Lumineon buffs are completely ridiculous. When I envision upscaling a Pokémon's capacity for violence, I don't believe buffing it to pseudo-legendary status is warranted. Should've scaled it with PU in mind instead of OU/Ubers.

[@Freakazoid529]

Surprised you guys didn't say "Dragon Hammer" instead of "Glaive Rush." It may not have a neck as long as exeggutor's or PRaikou's, but it still has a long ENOUGH neck.

[@pixelwizardcornndawg]

that's what i was thinking too! if one grass/dragon type can use its giant neck to bludgeon things, why cant the other grass/dragon use its giant neck to bludgeon things?

[@xiaoperior2153]

I agree. If tropius can learn it, why not meganium?

[@iantaakalla8180]

Honestly, if they were going to do worse Baxcalibur they could have flavored it like a lumbering strong defensive dinosaur Pokémon

[@snowlepiexists2091]

Give Lumineon Quiver Dance or Tail Glow since its based on a butterfly fish and tail actually does glow

[@shadowkirbae4289]

Yea a lot of romhacks already do that too, giving it Quiver Dance most of the time so I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned in this video, only Calm Mind.

[@umwha]

This idea is much better than what they did in the video

[@MrYouSerious]

Because they don't take the inspiration of the design in mind, mostly "what is good in Smogon singles"

[@a_rat_named_mouse]

For the stats, I was surprised to see the boost to Defense. I would have kept it Specially oriented, with its Defense being left as an exploitable weakness. Boost the Hp and Sp. Defense, then give it Quiver Dance to let it be a bulky set-up sweeper. Potentially very dangerous with a solid defensive typing and strong STAB combination, but a glaring weakness to priority, wallbreakers and revenge killers. If you can't get it off the ground, it won't be super useful.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Honestly, Lumineon could work as Water Volcarona. It is specially defensive enough, but it can’t get going, so you deploy it in a situation where it can, and then try a sweep. This feels close to how people try to use Lumineon anyways.

[@Eclipseon197]

Ditto should be given an attack stat of 341 to buff struggle. This will certainly raise its usage.

[@unaffectedbycardeffects9152]

Speed of 666 so you don't have to run imposter and trace as ability, to copy zacian's attack buff 3 times

[@wilmahandfit]

​@@unaffectedbycardeffects9152 Trace wouldn't do anything since the stats of the opposing Pokemon are copied

[@unaffectedbycardeffects9152]

@@wilmahandfit you are right, I was just testing this on showdown

[@ValToadstool]

They should make a pokemon with an attack stat that high that only learns one move with one pp

[@charaselect]

​@@ValToadstooland it's Revival Blessing

[@fknee9111]

Maractus I would say it needs to keep Strom Drain if we make it a Ground-type. A water-type thinking it is safe to spam water attacks will get a rude awakening when it realizes it just boosted Maractus's Sp. Attack.

[@SuperWiggler]

Why would a Water type use a water attack against a Grass Pokemon? Wouldn't they just use Ice attacks instead?

[@reallygoodsnusnu]

I would give I something that works like thick fat, call it desert heat or something. Being 4x weak to ice when people run ice to handle dragons is just a death sentence

[@marzbar5877]

@@SuperWigglercuz they weren’t using the water move on the cactus, but the teammate that was in before it, silly goose

[@silvermasamune100]

@@SuperWiggler It's neutral damage on a grass/ground type. Storm Drain synergizes with that typing by granting immunity where a resistance would be canceled out taking on a ground secondary typing (in this scenario anyways). Worth noting that the immunity would grant a free switch in and stat boost (Whereas Water Compaction doesn't grant an immunity for some reason even though the one evolutionary line that has it is WEAK to water). Though I guess the real question is which stat boost is preferable.

[@SuperWiggler]

@@silvermasamune100 So why wouldn't you go for the doubly SE Ice attack instead?

[@camilogarzon2849]

How good was Nemona as a thumbnail ACTUALLY?

[@peet-janissen5838]

ok i guess

[@jasonkeith2832]

Depends on the artist.

[@generalsynnacle23]

Anything Goes trembles before her.

[@Triceratopping]

"UNFORTUNATELY..."

[@CosmicPlatonix]

Nemona, in search of a new rival, has decided to challenge the True Queen of Being Clickbaited: Jaiden.

[@ademalawerfn]

Iron Gosling is how you know BKC wrote this script 😂

[@spritemaster8980]

Update: Charizard has reached untiered status, among a host of other Pokemon swept up in the waves of Gen 9 powercreep. However, Iron Gosling has been quickbanned from SV OU for being too oppressive for the metagame.

[@cgyh68748]

Based

[@tsynthetic]

I love how these get more unhinged as the video goes on

[@samuell8721]

I like how Ledian is so bad that now actually everyone start remembering its existence

[@ragnaricstudios5888]

With Z-A coming out, maybe they’ll give it a mega

[@erlkinglook4824]

My idea for buffing Ledian: Un-Dexit Comet Punch, and change it so that when Ledian uses it, it always hits 30 times.

[@georgecortes3416]

@@erlkinglook4824It would become a Flying-Type move (comets "fly" through space, right?) and have 13 power because when you multiply that with the 30 hits, it adds up to 390, Ledian's BST!

[@Joey15811]

No pokemon is forgettable anymore bar some from the newest 2 gens but all gens 1-7 mons have had time been in numerous forgotten or bad videos that they just are aren’t forgettable anymore

[@odinjaynes5003]

@@Joey15811 idk sometimes I forget araquanid is a pokemon and I grew up with gen 7

[@darkmega5477]

In this video, FSG crew decides to have theorymon Thursday on Sunday

[@DarkAuraLord]

Theorymon Thunday. Check your calendars, folks.

[@Charleyyy678]

This video is honestly more of a joke than a theorymon anyway

[@zacherytaylor]

You know who's really forgotten? RELICANTH. It went so long without being seen that scientists considered it an extinct species. I can only imagine the team at FSG have made a similar mistake as they continue to ignore the the primal paladin of the primordial pool.

[@oliverdavies2022]

primal paladin of the primoridal pool is such a badass name for a fucking rock fish

[@pacmanboss256]

ok but gen 3 regi puzzle

[@spacewarp5850]

You can tell they’re forgettable if they didn’t appear in this video. I was hoping to see Grumpig

[@misteral9045]

Relicanth got a video years ago, STAB head smash + water moves = ok

[@benikujaku4567]

What do you mean? It's already the perfect lifeform!

[@TheGreatSpanishBaldwin]

Summary to this video: “We decided to give more Pokémon mega evolutions. But then we thought that would be repetitive(?) so we took away 15 BST, kept everything else the same in the script, plus they can hold items so now some of these will get banned.”

[@backpackerraden6268]

Here I thought when Iron Gosling was revealed, its ability would automatically play The Nice Guys and your opponent can't skip it. Timer paused of course so everyone can watch it with their leisure

[@Nethaura]

Naaaah bro turned plusle into Flutter mane 😭

[@iantaakalla8180]

This version of Plusle is called Positive Charge

[@cap6795]

We’re not going to give them a new evolution, we’re just going to buff their stats about as much as a new evolution would get

[@noahberan6498]

I actually prefer that

[@jonathanmercado8468]

You don't need to evolve every pokemon just start upgrading, new moves and typing is the best

[@JaceGarrdok]

610 BST Meganium. That's way above any starter paygrade, dont you think? Considering the highest BST of them all currently is Swampert at "just" 535.

[@cgyh68748]

Grass starters usually get the short end at 525. Btw venusaur had the higher BST in gen 1.

[@neros_soren]

That's why this is a joke. Iron Gosling didn't make it obvious to you?

[@bernardyes6792]

Meganium being given stats to make it stronger than a pseudo-legendary is crazy lmaooo

[@goGothitaLOL]

and Adaptability on top of that

[@PillzmansFox]

April Fools day was 2 1/2 months ago

[@neros_soren]

You're not allowed to make jokes beyond that one day? Damn...I have to rethink my whole life!

[@appliedatoms7066]

Forget calm mind. Lumineon is meant to be reminiscent of butterflies with its design. Just give it quiver dance.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Furthermore, given that Lumineon is so mid it really would not help it much. It still needs that turn to do Quiver Dance, and you can easily kill it at that point.

[@grrgrrgrr0202]

It'd also need a better HA and a better SAtk/Sdef. But being a Water type with Quiver Dance definitely makes it unique.

[@stylinsandwich]

​@@iantaakalla8180 Give it simple

[@facesoffearbrewing1229]

Wait... Where is Relicanth?!

[@雪者]

Hold on.. You're right. Where IS Relicanth!

[@Kael4king10]

Meganium but no Relicanth is unhinged

[@Blanktester685]

Relicanth is at least known for being needed for regi puzzle in rse

[@Luna-pg6xd]

Reli-who?

[@facesoffearbrewing1229]

@@Luna-pg6xd You really-can't tell me you don't know who.

[@AndrewBurris-pj3wl]

Lumineon is one of those mons' whose design I love that is useless. Welcome to club Absol.

[@Wildcatt1999]

Lumineon is so horrible in competition that it's not even getting its own episode of "How BAD was this Pokemon Actually?" Ouch...

[@typhlosion7872]

One mon I never heard even one single person bring up despite being the ace of a character in the anime is Turtonator. An honestly pretty fucking cool design and it's just forgotten

[@theflaminggroundon632]

would say its rather a new pokemon... but yeah, its kind of there to be honest

[@The1andonlySorom]

What if lumineon had dazzling, shed skin makes sense for singles, but dazzling would be an interesting buff for doubles and it makes sense

[@grrgrrgrr0202]

Yeah, Dazzling and Quiver Dance... that'd be pretty sick.

[@adamaba3433]

We won't be giving these mons evolutions just a modest 85 BST increase, new typings, and new abilities That's just an evolution with extra steps

[@bellaander]

April Fools video idea: The Vaporeon Theorem - Why Context is Everything

[@amateraceon5202]

The most memorable thing about Lumineon is it’s the Pokémon with the most base stat values of 69

[@benwarped7272]

The most "nice" pokemon.

[@Crabgar]

Honestly I remember it for having storm drain in mystery dungeon and absorbing my water moves from halfway across the map

[@amateraceon5202]

@@Crabgar OH TRUEEEE everything you recruit just becomes absolutely USELESS instantly

[@zachpro5475]

Nemona in the thumbnail 10/10 video

[@雪者]

nice eh?

[@misteral9045]

People really will simp over anything and everything.

[@memekyu_memes]

​@@misteral9045 so true man. I don't even get the thing with Nemona.

[@generalsynnacle23]

​@@memekyu_memesHot [borderline-] yandere passionate Latino gf 😩

[@aldwych285]

@@generalsynnacle23😦

[@Moss_Dude]

Maractus has become one of my most personally memorable pokemon because there was a long time where whenever I tried to think "what's a forgettable pokemon" it immediately went to my mind, and soon became not forgettable anymore. Now it's just cute.

[@Minishroom123]

I honestly think that Pokemon could use more individual gimmicks like signature moves and abilities to make each mon stand out at least a little. Even if the gimmick isn’t strong, it’ll at least give each pokemon something more interesting to work with than just being outclassed, and I’m glad that a lot of Paldean pokemon have seemed to be a lot more experimental with playstyles

[@memekyu_memes]

Yeah, but I think they kinda went a bit overboard with some. The new Pokémon are pretty broken...

[@AlfredoPuente8]

Paldeaan pokémon are super broken, is like having 100 Shedninjas.

[@asierx7047]

The Shiftry school of fixing early gen mons: give it a cool new thing to do

[@TheFlashyLucario]

@@AlfredoPuente8100 shedinjas honestly is pretty awful, especially with hazards (although boots do exist now I suppose)

[@padelleinsalamoia]

​@@TheFlashyLucariothe 100 Shedinja when a flying grain of sand hits them 🫡

[@VerbalLearning]

Considering Meganiums long neck and it's newfound hypothetical dragon typing, i think giving it Alolan Exeggutors signature move Dragon Hammer or whatever it's called would be appropriate over Glaive Rush.

[@WhiteoutKyurem]

The only reason I remember Lumineon is because Lumineon V in the TCG is used a lot as a consistency option since you can search out a Supporter from your deck when you put it on the bench (yeah it just does that, mostly dead weight afterwards unless you can get it off the bench, fitting isn't it?)

[@SynSpiderz]

I swear with all the buffs suggested over the years for Meganium, the FSG crew must secretly be Mr Stake fans

[@tomasprochazka7840]

This feels like an April Fools joke

[@nukingitout7591]

Give Maractus Thick Fat, since cactus survive the hot and the cold of the desert.

[@GerryRead-sl9tf]

It's weird that i always hear people talk about lumineon being a favorite because it's super cool design but then everyone also says it's forgettable. I'm on the side that loves it.

[@iantaakalla8180]

I think they mean the design is very good, but there is no reason to get one in-game or competitively. That is, when you look at the design, it is memorable, but you would never want to acquire a Lumineon except for collection purposes.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Alternatively, you could play Shadows of Almia and help another person collect Lumineon, but then you would hate Lumineon for another reason.

[@Hax_R_Us]

We're going to pull a Gen 9 is probably one of the funniest things I've heard on this channel😭😭

[@skeetermania3202]

Quite a missed opportunity not giving “the Beautifly of the sea”, as the Pokédex calls it, Roost and Quiver Dance.

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

Meganium just needs a mega evolution that gives it half fairy typing and goes all in on defense. No offensive boost, just raise its HP and defensive stats sky high with an ability like regenerator. That’d work.

[@Celon549]

Whenever I mess with Pokemon's base stats, I try to keep them a fair bit more reasonable based on when they're obtained and evolution level/method. I know Lumineon is a legendarily bad Pokemon, but I feel like giving it a BST higher than Milotic is really excessive. Not everything needs to be OU viable, just viable enough to do something is good. So with that being said, here's my take on these mons. Lumineon - For its stat changes, I gave it +10 in HP (69 -> 79) and Speed (91 -> 101), and +30 in Special Attack (69 -> 99) for a BST of 510. I prefer the idea of Lumineon being a somewhat speedy offensive threat with utility options in the back pocket to support its team. So it can still use Defog and Tailwind, but it can also deal decent damage now too and get a jump on base 100s. But I wanted to go further into it being offensive by giving it a boosting move. Calm Mind is cool, but I'd prefer something a bit more exotic. I could argue Quiver Dance, due to Lumineon's fins looking like butterfly wings (not to mention it'd be unique as a Quiver Dancing Water-type). Tail Glow could also be argued since Lumineon's whole deal is glowing. But, it'd just be a budget Manaphy at that point. Also, I'd get rid of Water Veil for Illuminate, just for thematic sake. Maractus - Maractus being more of a Special Attacker than a Physical Attack strikes me as odd, especially since it has a much better physical movepool. So I dropped the Special Attack down -30 (106 -> 76), while bringing the Attack stat up by +20 (86 -> 106). HP gets a +10 (75 -> 85), while the defenses get +20 each (67 -> 87). For moves, I gave it Swords Dance to potentially serve offensively, High Horsepower as a Ground-type move for coverage that's stronger than Drain Punch. and Toxic Spikes for some extra hazard utility. Since I decided Maractus should be a physical attacker, I changed its Hidden Ability from Storm Drain to Rough Skin, since it baffles me why none of the cactus Pokemon have a contact-harming ability. Plusle and Minun - Yeah, I kinda got nothing for these two. They're gimmicks to the end no matter how minmaxed you make them. Meganium - Meganium is held back by the fact that Game Freak gave the Johto starters the same stats as the Kanto starters, just rearranged. My take on Meganium is actually very similar to FSG's, making it more physically focused. However, I made it slower and bulkier, dropping the Special Attack down by -11 (83 -> 72), the Speed down by -10 (80 -> 70), while raising the HP by 15 (80 -> 95), and the Attack by 16 (82 -> 98). It can hit mildly hard with Power Whips, Knock Offs, and Earthquakes now, but that's not its main purpose. Meganium is a bulky support/cleric mon, who's Aromatherapy can cure the status ailments of its teammates. So on top of that, I gave it Wish so Meganium can heal its teammates in Singles. Flower Healing can do the same thing in Doubles formats. I also gave it the Grass-type staple, Sleep Powder, which makes more sense for Meganium to have than Poison Powder. I also changed its ability from the extremely situational Leaf Guard to the excellent Flower Veil. I considered Natural Cure initially, but Flower Veil blocks status for the Grass-type user entirely, as well as working like Clear Body and preventing stat drops on top of that. It's a busted ability that's seen no use in Singles because it's stuck on mono-Fairy-types instead of being on Grass-types like it should be, and it thematically suits Meganium. I think these changes for Meganium would make it quite excellent in formats like RU or even UU.

[@neros_soren]

Right, let's ignore that Lumineon was originally found in the last area of the game, eh? :)

[@oravlaful]

the video's new plusle and minum are definitely no gimmicks, they're broken

[@axlr8deathpls294]

​@@neros_sorenNo it wasn't, you could fish for it around the waters near valley windworks.

[@Celon549]

@@neros_soren I mean, not really. Sure, that's probably where a lot of people first found it, but you could get Finneon as early as before the 3rd gym in Platinum.

[@neros_soren]

@@Celon549 Well, considering they don't implement changes in retrospect...mostly because it's not even possible, your initial post doesn't matter anyways. If buffed that way, it would be placed accordingly. Learned something new tho.

[@Spark31Gaming]

The true most forgotten Mon is Elgyem I swear. When was the last time you ever thought about that evolution line? I didn't until I went through the entire dex like a year ago.

[@Nin-Saber]

"If Crawdaunt can get Adaptability then so can our theoretical Meganium" Yes but Crawdaunt has the defense of a loaf of bread compared to the proposed 100 hp, def, and sp def juggernaut grass dragon type lol

[@skeetermania3202]

Plus Meganium already has a pretty decent Speed stat, while Crawdaunt doesn’t.

[@ForestX77]

Flygon. Do I suggest giving Flygon more BST? No just give it contrary has it’s hidden ability. Now I know someone will say “but they can learn draco meteor and super power! That would make Flygon way to op” and to that I say yeah, that’s the point. If Syperior can have contrary and petal blizzard then Flygon can have contrary with draco meteor and super power especially when their competition is so fierce. Have garchomp and dragonite that are tanky enough to be set up sweepers and you have dreepy that is just so powerful right out the gate Flygon needs something crazy just to even think about being used.

[@Wahligma]

I think for Meganium the Radical Red approach of giving it fairy type with triage and draining kiss is actually quite large enough of a buff to make it quite an insane Pokemon.

[@theflaminggroundon632]

hear me out... Grass/Electric... and give it electric moves

[@erlkinglook4824]

Leaning into Meganium's defensive profile: instead of Leaf Guard, Meganium should get Flower Veil - it prevents Grass-type allies (including yourself) from having your stats lowered as well as non-volatile status and Yawn. Right now, only the Flabébé line and Comfey have access to this ability, so Meganium will definitely have a niche as the only Grass-type with access to it, and it gives it some utility in Doubles too. It's also a straight upgrade from Leaf Guard, which only protects yourself from status in the sun.

[@shiruotakuno28]

Meganium should be doubles tank with supporting moves, I've been saying this for a long time. Moves like Pollen Puff and especially Revival Blessing would work miracles for it. As the cherry on top, add 10 to its HP to give it the same BST as Swampert.

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

"Like offbrand cereal" Oi, oi. Offbrand is often better than the brands.

[@DarkAuraLord]

only real ones know about Marshmallow Mateys.

[@yserareborn]

The truth is brands often contract the same factories to make different cereal. It’s all the same.

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

@@yserareborn Yup. Which is why Offbrand is usually the best.

[@The_D_ray]

Give Purugly Copycat. Because it's the only cat Pokémon who does not have it. And because I can "Explode chain" with that.

[@doug-goat]

I came here from “how good was arceus actually?”

[@klodpraisor]

Don’t forget to give lumineon misty surge as ability! …wait Seriously, wow, buffing a pokemon by making its stat higher and a secondary typing… how creative

[@SaberSevenGFX]

I remember back in October 2012 this one guy who swept a PokeTuber with a choice banded Lumineon. A week and a half later, I brought one to a Gen 5 Ubers match and ended up pulling off a 4 KO endgame sweep with it. I was cackling in disbelief that this happened. This is what I remember Lumineon for. A forgettable Pokemon with an unforgettable memory.

[@madjester9844]

Oh no FSG has been taken over by Theorymon Thursday posters Edit: nevermind I got to 13:45, this was definitely the work of Stinkpost Sunday posters. Fitting as it was posted on Sunday lol

[@20oxide36]

Bro turned Plusle into Regieleki 2.0 💀

[@corvax8644]

Literally the only thing I remember about maractus is one gem 5 trainer used acupressure and got a x3 evasion boost and swept my entire 12yo team😂

[@Wazzamaniac]

Plusle getting the fluttermane treatment and getting banned instantly

[@PierrePsst]

This Meganium is going straight into Ubers.

[@Besh091]

"Iron Gosling" oh y'all are DEEPLY unserious, i love it here

[@c.m.9369]

So, what you are saying is: If these pokemons had different stats and abilities, they would be better? Soooo... if they were essentially different and better pokemon, they would be better? Certainly a take. Thanks for this.

[@greyk9646]

I'm sorry but giving 85 stats is just too much, i think the biggest stats increase was 40 for masquerain you should have probably chosed that because yeah of course meganium is going to be better if it has pseudo legendary stats .-.

[@neros_soren]

/woooosh

[@DarkAuraLord]

too much for what? A theoretical idea meant to address an extremely flawed 'mon that wasn't even good when it debuted TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO?! Lmao.

[@munchrai6396]

Personally I think 50 is a reasonable cap for what to expect for Pokemon stat buffs before considering evolution. there's also the fact that Meganium is a starter Pokemon, which means its stats have to fit into a rough range up to 535. You could stretch that a little, but more than 540, just feels unrealistic

[@neros_soren]

@@munchrai6396 Doesn't matter, tho. FSG has a past of being upset about Meganiums state, hence the REALLY overtuned buff. Everything past Maractus is satire, made obvious thanks to the new version of Charizard.

[@munchrai6396]

@@neros_soren He gave 85 stats to all of the Pokemon, an amount that might as well be a new evolution for most of these Pokemon. IMO it makes the speculation less interesting when its not realistic

[@eccodorado9245]

Meganium: "I don't want viability, i want vengance"

[@LilGian1]

I vote purugly. It’s often times unobtainable in games, it was stuck on the 3DS until BDSP and Arceus, and now is still stuck in those games. It’s forgotten about by Pokemon themselves. And the games they are native in, it’s an exclusive that’s found SOOOO late in game. It is very fast and yet nothing can be done with it. It needs a buff!!

[@suiway]

Random useless fact about Purugly! In Pokemon Go, the word 'ugly' isn't allowed in pokemon names. Even for Purugly. It won't let you rename a Purugly with the name Purugly. To reset its name you *have* to leave it blank and then cancel the rename.

[@AIDcyt]

I don't like how you approach buffing mons, I understand it's all theoretical but I do want some realism when buffing mons. So stuff I didn't like: 1. +85 to the BST is completely unrealistic, as +40 is the max, and I'm guessing they won't even consider anything above +50. 2. They're not gonna retcon a type, unless they'll add a new type in later gens, especially for mons this old. 3. A lot of the buffs you gave to these mons just made them a Xerox of another mon, that function in the same way. I'd like it if they're all unique in what they do. 4. In gen 9, all besides 4 evolution lines (Cetitan, Clodsire, Squawkabilly and Flamigo) got either a signature / semi-unique ability and/or move (semi-unique examples: Toxic Chain, Quark Drive, Last Respects, Revival Blessing, Comeuppance). So I think you should've maybe thought about giving them unique moves and abilities instead of the generic buffs. How I'd fix them: 1. I won't be adding to the stats or typing at all, I like to see what can I work with with the stats given. 2. I will be changing abilities and add moves to mons, and some will be signature. The moves will make sense thematically. 3. My goal is to make the mon unique and bump them up a few Smogon tiers up. Lumineon: looking at it stats, it's somewhat fast with bulk being better than the offenses, and moves that include Tailwind, Soak, Encore and Charm, it seems to want to be a fast utility mon. New moves: regains Defog, Roost, Flash, will gain Lovely Kiss, Whirlwind, Wish, Quiver Dance, Hurricane. New ability: Water Veil → Illuminate (changed) (Prankster immunity and dark type moves resistance) Summary: so instead of a Tapu Fini clone (how does Shed Skin make sense on a fish idk), I made it a pivot that disrupts the opponent, also has the ability to sweep with QD. Maractus: pretty strong, can be fast under sun. has some utility moves. New moves: Scorching Sands, Sludge Wave, Heat Wave, Sandstorm, Desert's Sun (110BP, 10PP, special, grass move- 2 turn charge move, +1 SpA while charging, requires no charge in either sun or sand) New ability: Water Absorb → Sand Rush Summary: instead of making it a worse Torterra, decided to lean into the sun sweeper, and thought "there really are no special sand sweepers (Probopass? Gastrodon?), so why not make this a demon with both weathers" and hey, if a move like that got Archaludon banned to Ubers, maybe it'll make this mon at least RU. Plusle: somewhat fast, offensively leaning, a lot of support moves. New moves: Electrify, Burning Jealousy (because it's missing electrons I thought it's funny). Summary: Electrify will make this a little demon if it got an Agility up, means that if you target it with any moves, it gained +1 SpA instead of taking damage. Minun: same as it's brother but more defensively leaning. New moves: Electrify, Eerie Impulse Summary: much like it's brother, but gains HP instead, so can stall mons out of their strong stabs, and weaken them with Charm and Eerie Impulse to make them useless. before starting Meganium, buffing it's stats make no sense- all the starters get about the same BST, and you wanna give it mythical-legendary stats. Meganium: Good bulk with great support. New moves: regains Aromatherapy, gains Yawn, Calm Mind, Nature's Heart (10PP, status, grass move- sets up Ingrain, +2 Def) New ability: Leaf Guard → Flower Veil Summary, thanks to Flower Veil, it cannot be statused or get it's stats lowered, making it pretty hard to take down if it got it's defenses up, especially with it's signature where it cannot we sent out, can now also support the team back with Aromatherapy So instead of a Flapple, but good, I made it a Taunt/Trick-bait sweeper, which is not really seen on grass types.

[@wooloosupremacy9484]

💀

[@pezyg]

I will always remember Lumineon because it was the only pokemon I missed back in the Pearl days to get the NatDex

[@maromania7]

Same!

[@DGAvalon]

I'm really glad that they covered Charizard. It's been a long time since game freak thought about the fire lizard.

[@lazerith84]

Feel like meganium buff was kind of weird - it basically became a legendary and lost its starter stat line - would have liked to see the stats redistributed instead

[@neros_soren]

Missing the point, aren't you?

[@lazerith84]

@@neros_soren Not really Incinaroar rules the meta with BST of 530, where Meganium is forgotten with a BST of 525. The issues for Meganium are the distribution of the stats the lack luster ability and an uninspired design. I didn't have an issue with other pokemon on this list because they are not starters. Starters have a clearly defined Bst between 520 and 535 (only Swampert's BST is 535). To say that Meganium needs a BST near 600 to be relevant makes it a psudo legendary and not a starter which takes away what little identity it had. I believe the spirit of making a pokemon memorable means staying true to the pokemon itself - like they did with Plusle and Minum.

[@lief5957]

@@lazerith84 They didn't even really do that with Plusle and Minun though they kinda just turned up the stats and bs abilities and called it a day. A good way to fix Plusle and Minun is to lean in on their doubles inspiration and make them busted specifically in doubles and mediocre in singles. Plusle is no good in doubles still with the buff if we're pairing it with Minun still as Minun has NO redirection moves, so they can just one and done Plusle, and Minun sucks in singles still because its just Shuckle-but-a-little-better now, high bulk but can do little offensively. Meganium was just weird all around, a Dragon secondary typing is cool (not really now its 4x weak to ice and has a new weakness to fairy with only removing a fire weakness in return) but the stat buffs are way too much and the moves don't make sense? Meganium was always about that peaceful life, its based off of the stereotype that the brachiosaurus was an herbivore so its chilllll. Even with the new inspiration in mind, why give it Glaive Rush? Dragon Hammer is right there and it fits with the theme of every pokemon knowing that move having a long neck. Honestly just leave it at that. Give old pokemon new tools to work with instead of minmaxxing their stats, there's no creativity if every pokemon is just minmaxxed to do the ONE thing they were intended to do, let people be silly with their builds.

[@lazerith84]

@@lief5957 I didn’t really think about the fact they didn’t give minun redirection - that would have been a nice add for the duo

[@neros_soren]

@@lazerith84 Still missing the point... I would suggest you to rewatch the video and actually pay attention. And then I also suggest you to check if, BY CHANCE, FSG has a history of loving Meganium, which might have made this OBVIOUS over buffing happen. Spoiler below: (hint: everything after Maractus is pretty much satire/ a joke aka...you missing the point. But I guess someone saying that Charizard needs a new version because it's so forgotten went over your head.....somehow)

[@qweschuning]

This one HAS to become its own series

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

Not a fan of randomly slapping unfitting types onto Pokémon in the name of fixing them, but interesting video regardless.

[@Lunar1314_]

If they can make Plusle an Electric/Ice type with Flutter Mane ass stats, Meganium a Grass/Dragon type with Adaptability, Dragon Dance, Swords Dance, and Galive Rush, and a Paradox Charizard named Iron Gosling and you still aren't able to get that it's a joke, then I don't think the video is the problem

[@Blackheartgamer1]

Lumineon: Bulky support add fairy typing, update ability: illuminate (works as a passive follow me 30%), buff Hp and both defenses, water veil -> oblivious

[@hombrebotella6911]

I think Lumineon should learn Tail Glow, which could make it similar to a lower tier Manaphy, and I think it's pretty fitting

[@gamerargus9391]

I love Maractus so much. I just wish it had sand rush instead of chlorophyll, so it had the speed boost while being immune to sandstorm. It'd also be unique since no grass types have sand rush as an ability, so sand teams would have a good option for an offensive grass type.

[@Unfaux-compte]

In my opinion you need to chose. Changing type, stats, move pool AND ability is neither balanced nor healthy. For example, a balanced way to boost Lumineon : +30 boost stats in total, give it roost back and give it quiver dance. Arguable on what you give it but the idea is nothing more.

[@marcorodriguez8792]

Damn it FSG. I did such a great job in forgetting all these trash Pokemon and you just had to bring them up

[@catsinhats31]

The meganium slander WILL NOT be tolerated

[@iiKeis12]

Who's gonna tell em...

[@Luna-pg6xd]

It aint slender if it true tho

[@king_of_rats_Monfernep]

As a fan of Meganium, I completely agree

[@king_of_rats_Monfernep]

15:47 and his stat total is higher than Charizard's

[@catsinhats31]

@@king_of_rats_Monfernep crazy

[@TheBlueArmageddon]

They are really stretching the definition of Theorem

[@mechatec2992]

I’m glad you worked with your fans to make a video everyone can enjoy, instead of rolling out a thoughtless joke video. It shows you care about their ideas

[@calvinmatthews1527]

Here's a list of some neglected mons I want for future videos like this: Bellossum Sandslash Sawsbuck Probopass Dusknoir Banette Fearow Dragalge Zangoose Arbok

[@mogaku776]

Me trying not to think of BKC's balls during the manscaped sponsor

[@LancerNobu]

Mawile. After her mega was removed she kinda fell back into absolute uselessnes. Honestly i would make mega mawile, just mawiles normal evolution and increase her base hp to 90, so that her decent defensive stats actually matter. I would give her either the new ability "double maw" to double her attack stat but makes her unable to hold an item or she keeps normal mawiles abilities and gets an extra 45 in her attack, putting her at 150 base attck. I think mega mawile with huge power and an item would be to much, even inculding the the fact that she would no longer ve able to come in, intimenate and then mega evolve. I would also give her better recovery moves.

[@thesparrow1116]

I can't tell if this entire video is just a satire piece on other youtubers trying to "fix" pokemon that are supposed to be unremarkable by giving them unreasonable buffs, or if this is just the final boss of said annoying videos.

[@jonathannushi9183]

13:52 I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that BKC is responsible for this section but I can’t quite put my finger on it

[@napalmblaziken]

I always imagined leaning into the defensiveness of Meganium. Making its stats 110 HP, 95 Atk, 110 Def, 50 Sp Atk, 110 Sp Def, 50 Spd. As well as changing its typing to Grass/Fairy, and giving it Magic Guard or Regenerator. In terms of new moves, aside from fairy moves, give it Wood Hammer and Dragon Dance.

[@solitare4602]

I like this build, but you could give it Grassy Surge too. Make it a bulkier Rillaboom. Maybe give it Reflect and Light Screen. Oh, I know! Give it a signature move that's the Grassy Terrain version of Aurora Veil. That would basically make it a Grass/Fairy version of Alolan Ninetails, except tanky.

[@napalmblaziken]

@@solitare4602 Meganium already has Light Screen and Reflect. But Grassy Surge or a signature move would be good too.

[@exclamation744]

I wonder if changing Leaf Guard to function the same as Hydration would be good.

[@napalmblaziken]

@@exclamation744 Leaf Guard definitely needs a change or to be removed. Unless Koraidon, Torkoal, Ninetales, or Groudon is on the field, it's not likely for a sun to pop up.

[@exclamation744]

@@napalmblaziken the same can be said for Hydration. The point is that, despite seeming like functional equivalents, they're not. A Leaf Guard Pokemon can't run a calm mind rest set under the sun because Rest fails while under the sun. This is not true for Hydration in the rain; Tail Glow + Rest Manaphy, for example, is cured of the sleep at the end of the turn after Rest. Stuff like that is what I am referring to.

[@johndoe9343]

3:08 It may or may not be funny, but it is nice.

[@gabrielmarchena1755]

Seaking is the original luminion 😂 of the world

[@Watch-0w1]

They both should evolve

[@erlkinglook4824]

For real, Seaking is just fish with horn. It has some interesting gimmicks like Megahorn, Drill Run, and Lightning Rod, but 95 Attack being its highest stat, along with 68 Speed has held it back for so long.

[@gabrielmarchena1755]

@@erlkinglook4824 he's way too average almost the worst water type for generation one along side Golduck and dewgon

[@silverloop9029]

dewgong

[@Sethafella]

I could never forget Maractus because of Pokepark 2 where it would roll its R. It was very cool when I was young

[@netexcavator1927]

I wish Minun could be Electric/Ground purely for the pun

[@sagacious03]

IMHO, these weren't given enough consideration from a design standpoint. You ignored & sacrificed the Pokemon's distinctions, often at the detriment, in support of making them more "competitively viable". Good effort, but I'd say "Undercooked", needs more work. 4:40 Lumineon learns it (& only by TM/TR/Tutor, among MANY other non-Fairy types!) as it's a light-based move & Lumineon's thing is luminosity! Not for being Fairy. Its only Fairy-type moves are Alluring Voice former Normal-type status moves Charm & Sweet Kiss. It's more a Light-Pokemon which is broad in type, not really Fairy. 6:48 Thematically fitting how? AFAIK, it's a fish & not known to moult, & I'm not even sure there are biolumniscent species which moult! 10:15 Isn't that just making it akin to an Electric-type Flutter Mane, minus the Special Defense? 12:55 I know this is for making it competitively viable, not to actually be cohesive design, but just slapping on Fairy? Dedenne's wrong doesn't make cute = Fairy-type a 2nd time right, & where's the sense when paired with Plusle's new Ice-type?! Heck, thermodynamics says cold is the OPPOSITE of high energy! FIRE-TYPE WAS RIGHT THERE! The burning passion in cheering! You could then do some kind of offensive Ice-type for Plusle, maybe with a stat reduction gimmick based on thermodynamic energy reduction! Minun's new ability seems like a weird, kinda complex Rough Skin, albeit, one that modifies damage by type match-ups. Not sure I like it. Also, an ability that works best with lots of switching is questionable if the pair is made for Doubles, where relatively less switching happens than in Singles. 16:58 Again, two wrongs don't make a right, let alone stealing a newly introduced signature move. Also, Swords Dance can't justify Glaive Rush anyway, because SD isn't literal swords, it's a frenetic dance (Or in non-FR/LG Gen 3 games, "fighting dance".) to uplift the fighting spirit, per its description. 17:17 You earlier described it as revenge of the neglected starter. Something that takes negative circumstances by raging doesn't seem that great an adaptation; As a species, constantly rampaging is not often a sustainable strategy.

[@HasanK00]

If lumineon and maractus are known for being forgettable, doesn’t that make them memorable in a way?

[@AGuyNamedRex]

Gonna say Meganium has a long neck so it'd be a perfect canditate for Dragon Hammer.

[@Mudcrown]

false swipe gaming more like bad take gaming

[@neros_soren]

More like I-didn't-get-the-joke-crown.

[@Mudcrown]

@@neros_soren no no babes i did 😭

[@_RedRightHand_]

There _really_ needs to be more tiers. That's the solution to make every Pokémon viable.

[@averytubestudios]

I’m a simple man. I see Maractus, I click.

[@iWantOreoz]

I see we are not so different, you and I

[@YesImJoeKing]

That guy has always given me the dancing scarecrows from the legend of Zelda ocarina of time and majora's mask vibes.

[@asierx7047]

I find it funny how most pokémon's changes turn them into their Random Battles counterparts. Like, Lumineon and Minun are so intertwined with Alluring Voice that i keep reminding myself that they are, in fact, NOT fairies already