Deleted Star Wars Footage CHANGES Mace Windu

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

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[@cielthefangirl2876]

Are you and Theory friends or you hating on him too? Did u join that stupid group? The truth will come out. We will see where your true allegiance lies.

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

@@cielthefangirl2876 lol I am no fan of Disney and the woke mob… I’m on his side

[@84seahawkfan]

Ah yes another one who flings around a word they can't define.​@@StarWarsAnalyst

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

@@84seahawkfan how do u know I can’t define it?

[@biddygames]

I just bought a saber I hope it will be worth the 280$

[@GrantGilmour]

I feel as if Mace Windu was like that teacher in school who is hard on you and holds you to a high standard because they see potential in you and want you to succeed

[@Crispy_DAWG]

Honestly, I wouldn’t doubt Mace saw a little bit of himself in Anakin regarding his potential. Mace was confident and gifted, but strict in the Jedi code. Anakin lacked that same strict level of devotion to the Jedi code and thus he treated him with discontent. Of course this is just my interpretation.

[@rodrigobarba930]

Nah Mace stay hating on Anakin

[@n.w.1803]

Exactly, and Mace, along with Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and the Jedi in general, are a bit provocateur. They're willing to 'spring the trap,' as Obi-Wan says at some point, to find out who was pulling the strings, trusting in the Force to guide them through. Mace, if not as much as Qui-Gon, was ultimately willing to run the risk of having a trained & powerful Jedi Knight be out there, but possibly be emotionally unready to avoid the temptations to the Dark Side, just to see if it would work out. It's as though they rather ironically should have trusted in their own wisdom and experience more, and put less blind faith in the Force to see them through the crises...only Yoda seems to be properly doubtful, suspicious of adventurism, you might say, in his old age.

[@Zeithri]

Or a father who never tells you what you want to hear, tries to push you and you never understand why and you become resentful of him, until you learn from your mother that behind closed doors, he says all those things he never tells you and how proud he is of you.

[@Calypso694]

everyone can sense Anakin is a little bitch POS. Obi one just didnt want to believe them all.

[@JacktheStripper-tc5pn]

"Your skills have never been brought into questio, it is your maturity"

[@thecatfather857]

2D Clone Wars

[@adnanbey4871]

Rare line from 2D Clone Wars

[@TheGoldenConnorific]

​@@adnanbey4871Yup I just watched it yesterday

[@BradSpiceFX]

They need to make extended editions, with all the cut footage added

[@funkmasteryoda8323]

Yes please! More scenes of people sitting and/or walking and talking! Why don't they just make the prequels into a radio broadcast instead?

[@grinvich.76]

​@@funkmasteryoda8323 I don't know, I would love to listen to it

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Considering the Episode 3 book I read when I was younger had all the deleted scenes carefully inserted into it (the creation of the Rebel Alliance for one thing), you can just go read the old novelizations if you want that straight through. Or someone will make an edit of all of them.

[@bigferd4534]

That’d be to easy. I’d be a all for it 👍🏻

[@nyrangersfan6325]

@@funkmasteryoda8323episode 2, actually had a lot of battle scenes and action scenes cut out, in fairness. And should have been kept in.

[@finrodbrs]

Mace Windu never hated Anakin. A better description of their relationship was one of student(Anakin) to overly-strict teacher(Mace).

[@LordEmperorHyperion]

So what kind of a teacher barges into the Chancellor's office, and tries to murder him is setting the right example? Plus Windu alongside the council decided it was a great idea to spy on the Chancellor, obviously their relationship is called into question isn't it, the Jedi aren't to be trusted.

[@STANDupPhilosopher73]

Mace would not have been a good teacher either, he was far to over confidant and blinded by this.

[@davidmcaninch4714]

It doesn’t matter. Star Wars is dead.

[@jesuspernia8031]

Exactly. He just didn’t trust him. And can you blame him? Especially if you consider TCW in the G-Canon, then that’s EVEN MORE of a reason for Mace to treat Anakin like that. Anakin was a casual war criminal and it was played for laughs. But TCW is suuuuch a good show right…

[@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441]

@@jesuspernia8031 and also because of anakin joins the dark side. geos are basically extinct, clones become homeless and at some point no more clones, all jedis are pretty much gone by the time first order saga a thing unless rey revives the jedi order. and so forth. so yea I can see why people dont trust anakin

[@gabethebabe3337]

The sad thing is that when Mace is about to kill Palpatine he has utmost faith in Anakin to side with him. He only goes to sense Palpatine’s Shatterpoint. He never even considers trying to sense Anakin’s. In that moment he believes the Chosen One will fulfill his destiny. Unfortunately he hasn’t made it clear that he trusts Anakin as an equal. That small bit of information would possibly stop his death. Both characters were in the wrong during that scene and Palpatine used that to his advantage.

[@josephnelson9020]

I feel like he did bring the force to balance, by slaughtering the Jedi and bringing it (mostly) down to 2 Jedi, 2 Sith. Perfectly balanced, in a Thanos sort of way.

[@mpnuorva]

@@josephnelson9020 Two guys trying to keep the Force in Balance and two guys throwing it out of Balance makes Balance? Howsabout fuck no. Also has nothing to do with Thanos, try Michael Moorcock next time. That's where this idea is ripped-off from.

[@josephnelson9020]

@@mpnuorva yeesh

[@zxKAOS1]

@@josephnelson9020 Yeah, it's like... "Luke: _You told me that Darth Vader betrayed and murdered my father._ Obi-Wan: Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be the Jedi Anakin Skywalker and "became" the Sith Darth Vader. "

[@smartalec2001]

@@josephnelson9020 It feels like the Force would be bigger than just the people using it.

[@PataDePerro713]

"In light of the fact that this is the 37th time today you've submitted your fucking application, you're on this council"

[@deomartinez77]

LOL!!!🤣

[@InfernosReaper]

Ah, a thesis of culture

[@ggt47]

​@@InfernosReaperDang it,Inferno. You stole my joke.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@ggt47 Strong am I with the force, except when I'm not. Such is dichotomy

[@kenm3245]

The language was unnecessary

[@indigostudios7851]

I always viewed Mace relationship towards Anakin not as hate but rather viewing him as a wild animal that appears to be tamed, not hating him but always keeping a thick air of caution around him.

[@matthewk4912]

That's exactly it. But the Mace and Jedi-hating fans don't understand that and ramble.

[@1987AnimeBoy]

Like how Albus Dumbledore felt about Tom Riddle when he first met him?

[@SoN_oF_oDiN76]

I like the analogy kind of but instead of wild animal, I maybe go with wild card due to Anakins unpredictability. I agree there's a lot of Mace haters out here and I viewed Mace wanting Anakin to wait in the council chambers as 2 fold. 1. To protect Anakin. 2. To see if Anakin would follow a simple direction.

[@andrewross5454]

The deeper consideration here is how Mace is uniquely in control and harnesses his dark side with deliberate discipline.. he's aware of how dangerous Anakin because he had to overcome similar qualities inside himself.

[@lotuslife3239]

​@1987AnimeBoy ya except Albus was never rlly that mean to Tom. Tom was a prodigy and like other prodigies at Hogwarts he gets access to the restricted section by 16. And he didn't have to fight on the front lines of a giant war he didn't fully understand to get that recognition. Tom also showed a lot of arrogance and even tho he was a slytherin everyone gave him the benefit of the doubt. How Snape treated Harry was a lot closer to how Mace was with Anakin. But you know, overly religious ppl can sometimes be real assholes.

[@jesavius]

In the prequel novelizations and in Shatterpoint you learn that the tragedy, of many, was Mace Windu believed in and wanted to mentor Annakin for a bit with Obi Wan's blessing. Mace would've been a perfect mentor to Annekin to learn how to control his rage. Sadly the Clone Wars prevented this since all the Jedi were busy fighting. But that was the genius of Darth Siddious' Clone Wars; distract the Jedi so they couldn't train and save Annekin and have Annekin fall to him. I heavily advise everyone read the prequel novalizations because nothing's cut in those book. The fall of Yoda after the battle with Darth Siddious in the sentate tells you all you need to know.

[@DavidC_92]

Those aren’t canon anymore.

[@alexrenxa7700]

@@DavidC_92 meh, i choose for them to my own version of canon, i hate most of the new crap

[@kamuiwarp1784]

​@@alexrenxa7700Tbh I think everyone does that now

[@LegoSnoopDogg]

Why are you spelling Anakin like that?

[@pip25hu]

The scene should be viewed in context. Though Obi-Wan was talking about Anakin's issues, Anakin was not there - it were actually Obi-Wan's own doubts and fears that needed reassuring. He was (perhaps with good reason) afraid of leaving Anakin alone to protect Padme, as he felt that his padawan wasn't ready. Yet, he nonetheless had to leave on another assignment. In this position, even if Mace 100% agreed with all of the concerns Obi-Wan gave voice to, admitting as much would have been foolish and counterproductive. Obi-Wan had to believe in his padawan so he could do his own job properly - there really was no other option. So Mace gave him the reassurance he needed.

[@scottb3034]

it was a mix of both. It was his doubt in his teachings but also a doubt in Anakin as a result of his concern that he didn't train Anakin well enough. He clearly thought Anakin was unprepared, dangerous and ill-suited to be a true Jedi in addition to his own reticence as Anakin's master.

[@AuspexAstarte]

I think it would make the movie more complete since when Yoda exiled himself near the end of 3, I had to believe it was because he was just being hard on himself for not being stronger because it was so sudden yet still fitting for his character. But with more scenes like this we might get a more relatable view of the guilt Yoda must have felt for all of it. This scene alone makes Mace a complex character too.

[@danielk5780]

Mace Windu is being seen as the archetype of the political Jedi - and what was wrong with the Jedi Order of the Old Republic - these days, but that's merely a caricature of him, given this scene showing some form of true wisdom.

[@panamajack5972]

@@danielk5780 yeah, if it wasn't Lucas's intention then it's essentially fanfic style writing

[@talon532]

Have you watched the Clone Wars? There's a few scenes in Boba's revenge arc and the Zillo Beast episode where Mace is shown to be kind and even light- hearted to Anakin to the point where they're joking with each other. Mace want an asshole, just strong-willed and deeply rooted in the Jedi Code.

[@conradhawkins4606]

Mace is the worst example of the Jedi code. He sees himself as Judge Jury and executioner.

[@joechapman9518]

If the fans think mace didn’t like Anakin then they’ve never been in a team situation. Greatness has to be earned not granted based on talent

[@nahor88]

I think Mace saw a bit of himself in Anakin, and it scared him. Mace is established as being one that taps into the Dark Side more than most Jedi. The way he brutally slaughters a helpless Jango... I couldn't see another Jedi doing that besides Anakin. Yoda only does it when their backs are against a wall. Mace was strongly tied to the light, and thus believed he had enough control to avoid giving himself to the Dark Side. He didn't trust Anakin to have that self-control.

[@jurgenvermeulen5355]

Well, yes, but that doesn't mean Windu couldn't have disliked Anakin. He can be hard on Anakin for the reason you point at, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't dislike Anakin

[@SJ-yf9xy]

and anakin earned it.

[@hafabee]

that's really well said and I think it's wholly applicable here. Anakin might have worked hard to improve his lightsabre skills and his ability to weld the force but he never worked hard to humble himself, be a team player and also endear himself to his fellow Jedi. He was arrogant and entitled and unstable.

[@YnotNomis]

It wasn't the Jedi ALONE that failed Anakin...George Lucas have said on a 60 minutes interview that it was EVERYONE around him that Failed Anakin including Padme. Palpatine (obviously) and in some ways even his mom.

[@mpnuorva]

Do you know what he also said? That's it's about responsibility. The one who let down Anakin the most is Anakin himself.

[@funkmasteryoda8323]

So why didn't he flesh that out in the movies instead of needing to explain it in a TV interview? He really put as little effort in the story and characters as possible and thought CGI would do the movie making for him. What a disappointment

[@BqgWyy]

Exactly no one treated him with respect or equality, since childhood, with the possible exception of senator Binx.. Luke was the first person to admire and respect him unconditionally. This brought him back I AM A JEDI LIKE MY FATHER BEFORE ME. That's the line that snapped him out of it.

[@rodrigobarba930]

​@@BqgWyydang didn't see it that way. Good point!

[@BqgWyy]

@@rodrigobarba930 Watch the Star wars theory Channel defense of annakin

[@BarneyBoggs-gk9nb]

George should've fleshed out more Mace and the Jedi Council members. We don't really get much of them, and even then Yoda and Mace dominate those council meetings. Kind of why I like the pacing of The Clone Wars TV show.

[@nahor88]

I honestly believe if George were to make special editions of the Prequels, he would add more character development with extended and additional scenes. I think because Clone Wars exists, he never did it. The issue is he was trying to tell a tightly focused narrative on main characters the way he did in the Originals. However, it was a different era in the galaxy. There weren't just "bad guys and good guys".

[@jibril2473]

There’s a regular scene in the film where Mace says the same thing except Yoda is with them.

[@scottb3034]

that's why this was deleted from the film.

[@59rlmccormack]

I like seeing one’s humanity.

[@BeneathTheGold]

Obi wan~ “you were right. Anakin was too old to start his training” Also Obi Wan~ “I’ll wait till Lukes almost 20 to start his training. I’ll send those daft Tusken raiders to beat him up and I’ll swoop in and save him and them I’ll commence with the jedi grooming”

[@yankeesrule587]

oye , he didnt wait , and didnt plan on training him. If Artoo wouldnt have went out there , they prob would never have met.

[@BeneathTheGold]

@@yankeesrule587 First off - I’m surprised I need to say this- it was very clearly a joke. And second yes they would have ended up together. They literally say at the end of ROTS “go and watch over him until the time is right” or something along those lines and even if that wasn’t their plan the force willed it and they would have got together somehow.

[@yankeesrule587]

@@BeneathTheGold you clearly dont know how to write jokes. Try harder. In Obi-Wan Kenobi he wanted to start training him when he was a young boy, but Owen said no. So it wasnt "something along those lines". You could infer or speculate that Obi-Wan reached somehow sensed Artoo, and called to him, leading Luke out to where he was. But he wasnt intentionally waiting 20 years to train him

[@gc3k]

Luke was their only hope at that point. And maybe the traumatic events of the prequels changed Obi Wan's perspective

[@apexnext]

​@@yankeesrule587arguing semantics? You look bad, my friend.

[@christophermanley3602]

Walking and talking, stop, turn to each other, continue walking

[@andrewtc95]

Thought the same thing. Btw, do you have a pizza roll you can send me?

[@俺は誰でもない]

mace windu was a father figure for anakin. a real father doesnt doubt their children's potential, they test their children and push them to be better than they are currently. mace windu never doubted anakin could be the chosen one, he could just see the problems in anakin and wanted to make him better. which is something most people fail to see about their own fathers. our fathers push us to make us better and that is usually the reason we resent them because we cant see our own potential from their eyes

[@marco2709djr]

ooooff...so much to unpack here. for your therapist

[@俺は誰でもない]

@@marco2709djr nah for yer mum

[@guyverjay1289]

Lol what a hot take

[@slicer940]

He didn’t like Anakin but from what I learned it was actually Yoda who denied Anakin entry into the order initially and Windu actually wanted to let him join. I think it’s somewhat of a tough love thing because as the clone wars shows us they work together several times pretty well.

[@lilacocto9103]

Realizing that Mace was going to grant Anakin the rank of master if he had just stayed put in the Council chamber, just makes Anakin's betrayal sting even more. Mace finally got around to fully believing in Anakin, but it was far far too late.

[@yami122]

Particularly since the rank of master was not actually what Skywalker wanted he didn't really care about the title by that point he only wanted the rank so that he could Access forbidden sith records and try to find information on how to save his wife As by the point he was denied the rank of master he had already stopped giving a damn about the Jedi due to him being such a huge war hero and them treating him like such crap his basically entire time being a Jedi

[@michaelr3583]

You left out the damning scene where Mace flat out says he doesnt trust Anakin and how dangerous it was for him to be with palpatine

[@terrancehall9762]

Mace wanted to train Anakin

[@Brewbuu]

@@terrancehall9762on what evidence

[@terrancehall9762]

@@Brewbuu in the novelization of the movie he said he wanted to train Anakin.

[@Brewbuu]

@@terrancehall9762 I meant in the movie

[@terrancehall9762]

@@Brewbuu I don't think so.

[@CATDRL2]

Yes, you are correct in your assumption. Good job. Many deleted scenes are done to speed up the story and/or trim to fit a certain overall movie length for the theaters. This particular scene is not for those reasons, but to show that Mace was always on Anakin's negative side, and to make the impact of what Anakin did to Mace at the end have the impact George was looking for.

[@T0pMan15]

I disagree, if they included this scene it actually makes Mace Windu’s death more sad because deep down the audience knows that Windu always believed in him and Anakin betrayed him!

[@CATDRL2]

@@T0pMan15 Good point. Thanks.

[@scottb3034]

Actually it was deleted merely because they reshot the scene with Yoda involved and reworked some dialogue. Also this movie IS the longest in the saga and had pacing issues, so that may have actually been a secondary consideration.

[@wufako]

Great channel. Brethren. My dad and I absolutely love it.

[@showxating9885]

Wow. Talk about a major turnaround... Mace has been hated on since the movie's release for what appeared to be a couple of rash, impulsive reactions that now completely redeem him.

[@mikebliss3153]

I wish this scene was included in the film proper.

[@passikappi]

It's more common to see the Jedi in a bad light these days. But in fact, despite they tended to be a bit arrogant at the end, they wanted to do the right things. Mace was no exception from that, he had to be strict to protect the order. And fact is, that Anakin never learned the lesson to be patient. I see it like this, if he wasn't as egotistic as he was, he would have gotten to where he wanted to be at the point where things turned.

[@Revkor]

the road to hell is paved with good intentions. the order became arrogant and lacked Empathy.

[@yami122]

I also find it interesting that it in many ways justify Skywalkers anger towards his master as trust him is thus very likely holding him back and it's something that creates kind of an endless loop where the Masters distrust and holding back of the student simply causes the student to grow more frustrated and lose faith in their master which causes the master to distrust them even more and it can quickly spiral out of control as it demands that one of the two stop the cycle by showing trust in the other which can be almost impossible as both simply put don't trust each other and stop viewing each other as allies and more of as obstacles in particularly apprentice is going to start viewing their teacher as an enemy something to oppose and resist and fight back against rather than something to learn from

[@Enraged-Gecko]

A wise man knows when to question and when to put doubts aside.

[@skeletorrobo]

Why was it cut? Maybe for length, but no proof.

[@cyrusq5999]

Lucas, could've released extended cuts of the SW chapters on home video (like THE PHANTOM MENACE); where the run times wouldn't matter, but he chose not to. MENACE, has some extended beauty shots of the cityscape and the extended pod race, but nothing that really adds to the human drama - no real character moments - that I recall. Some of the more interesting footage (Bonus Features deleted scenes) were left out.

[@VaciliNikoMavich]

Wish all deleted scenes, stayed in their movies. They usually help so much and add important information.

[@koro_kokoro]

If you think that you either never saw anakin and obi-wan arguing over what R2s beeps mean in episode 3… or what’s worse… you incorrectly thought that was a good scene

[@VaciliNikoMavich]

@@koro_kokoro I like deleted scenes.

[@koro_kokoro]

@@VaciliNikoMavich they are deleted for a reason. Lucas was a good idea man but he needed a filter… and the best filter he had quit after empire strikes back due to a falling out

[@naterksmr]

It's weird to think if Mace had been Anakin's master instead of Kenobi. Anakin needed a strong teacher, and Qui Gon was easily the best candidate. While Kenobi did his best, he was more like an older brother to him, and even Kenobi knew that he needed a better master than himself. I think Mace may have been a close second behind Qui Gon. Unfortunately, the tough love and discipline that Mace gave him was only seen in small pieces as they didn't spend extended time together like Kenobi did with him.

[@inyalgaico1563]

The issue was not he did not have hope in anakin its that the war changed him like everyone and he like anakin and other jedi tried to hold things in place to get a sense of comfort and reassurance that they can trust in something. But you can't have belief in someone and then put them at arms reach hoping they do what you want

[@Cailus3542]

The end of the Shatterpoint novel (yes, Legends, I know) says it best. Mace truly does believe in Anakin, hoping that the prophecy is true, vowing to support Anakin as best he could. He just never actually expresses that to Anakin, who resents Mace's stern demeanour, until the very end. When Anakin tells him who Palpatine truly is, Mace views Anakin's attachment as a liability, yes. However, he also wants to spare Anakin the pain of fighting or even killing a close friend. Bear in mind, though, that by ROTS, Mace Windu and many other Jedi were flirting with the Dark Side. The Council had become deeply corrupt, playing politics, even planning on enacting a coup before they knew Palpatine's true identity. Mace was an integral part of that corruption. Years of war changed him and the rest of the Jedi, just as Sidious hoped, to the point that Mace tried to murder an unarmed and seemingly defenceless prisoner. Mace failed the Jedi Order, but he did not fail Anakin. The blame there lies with Yoda and Obi-wan, and really, Anakin himself, as he himself admits years later.

[@KamenRiderGumo]

One of MANY reasons that Disney Wars is inferior to what came before - inferior to the point of not being worth consideration. The original Expanded Universe got it right.

[@charliesage7004]

"Corrupt". "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” Jedi weren't "corrupt", they did not take bribes or engaged in self-serving lobbying. You just repeating Palpatine lies. Same is with the word "coup". Jedi duty to the Republic is to protect democracy, including from people like Palpatine, and yes, there were some heavy-hearted talks about the possibility of needing to oppose the Supreme Chancelor in case he will become the dictator. The only one who called that a coup was Palpatine, and that's the angle he ran with when enacting his genocide and subversion.

[@keithkahler1327]

@@charliesage7004 they had no authority to subvert the senate and that is what they did, when they attempted Palpatine's arrest without a shred of evidence presented to the judiciary,

[@charliesage7004]

@@keithkahler1327 Really? You do realize that Jedi went to ARREST Palpatine so he could stand a trial before the Senate? It all turned violent only after Palpatine hiself turned it violent. Furthermore, when Palestine said "I am the Senate" it was not an empty boast - he meant it. At that point he was effectively a wartime dictator with unchecked authority and had a hand in every pie on a personal level. And he also was the Sith Lord who orchestrated the whole conflict, and who in no uncertain terms showed that he was not gonna surrender. So no, your attempt at "Jedi were wrong" does not hold up to any critique.

[@scottb3034]

Palpatine was not unarmed or seemingly defenseless, ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Playing politics and removing a politician that had broken their oath and committed high treason is not a coup and it isn't dark, it is just. And the blame lies squarely with Anakin, he failed the Jedi, he failed the Republic and he failed his wife. The Jedi, Yoda and Obi-Wan failed the Republic.

[@rgdconstruction]

That’s a reallly intersting video Really gets you thinking

[@kevinhunt1202]

Damn why is now the time to buy sabers🤔 u and stars wars theory have deals same time same real🤯

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

My deal >

[@D00R]

I want a version with everthing in it for more context

[@highlanderc]

well.. its deleted for a reason. same goes for the deleted plot of anakin being jealous of obi wan and padme.

[@Rocket1377]

Exactly. Lucas wanted to make it clear that Anakin did what he did because he wanted to save Padme's life. He didn't want the audience to be dwelling on things like Anakin accusing Obi-Wan of getting too close to his wife, or undermining his friendship with Obi-Wan by having him say he doesn't trust Anakin. Those elements were interesting, and made things more complicated, but they also took the focus away from where it needed to be. It's also better to have someone more distant like Mace be the one who didn't trust Anakin, since he didn't know him as well as Kenobi did.

[@scottty795]

These clickbait titles are getting so annoying. This scene does not change Mace Windu at ALL. Why cant people just create a title like, Deleted Scene Mace Windu and Obi-Wan?

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

Because the video is literally about how the Mace Windu in this deleted scene is DIFFERENT from the Mace we usually see. Therefore this deleted scene CHANGES his character… pretty logical actually

[@kyloren8133]

​@@StarWarsAnalyst George doesn't want to portray Mace this way. That is why it is a deleted scene. It is only 1 scene. doesn't change anything.

[@Darth-Nihilus1]

They should have kept this scene in the movie. I wish I can get the movie with all the cut scenes still in it

[@scottb3034]

it mostly is still in the movie.

[@nektariosg4310]

He may not have hated or even disliked Anakin, but he never trusted him. If I was Anakin, after all the years I had fought side by side with the Jedi, done whatever they asked, and I hear in so many words, I don't trust you, who cares if you like me.

[@yami122]

Something that episode three really got wrong is that Skywalker has been such a war hero and has gotten so many great things for the Republic that respect would naturally be given to him you don't give shit to someone who's done that many dangerous combat missions Seal team six members have done enough that they can demand Respect and it would be considered incredibly rude and actually could ruin a career of a officer if a superior officer was a Dick to a member of seal team 6 so I always thought it incredibly unrealistic the way the Jedi treat Skywalker in episode three when By all means he has earned The right to Demand that respect

[@nektariosg4310]

​@@yami122But I think that is the point. What should have happened didn't. Anakin likely had the respect of other jedi, and likely the Clones as well as your average citizen of the Republic. It was the council, save for Obi-Wan, that didn't trust him. They didn't trust him because he has always represented the unknown to them. They were apparently awaiting the fulfillment of the prophecy, and as long as it doesn't come they can continue on as things have been for a thousand generations. What happens if it is fulfilled? The Jedi have no idea, and fear the outcome. Therefore I don't think it was handled badly or incorrectly.

[@yami122]

@@nektariosg4310 Again it's not betrayed in the actual movies what you say is all well and good but the movies don't actually betray that they just show them being dicks to him You take the movie from the context of if you only watch the movies You see him save the supreme leader of their government The chancellor And defeating killed the enemy army's leader Only for him to be treated like crap and have other jedi admit they don't trust him and like I said what you said is a good explanation but the movie doesn't actually say that over trade that that's why they're being such dicks there's really no reason given in the movies other than a vague I don't trust him from Mace windu And then being annoyed he's friends with the chancellor

[@nektariosg4310]

@@yami122 I honestly got my perspective from watching the movies and much of what I said in reply to you was based mostly on The Phantom Menace. I have never really paid much attention to the lore outside the films. Also, I am not trying to be combative. I understand your perspective, I just happen to personally disagree.

[@yami122]

@@nektariosg4310 Same here i type using a voice recognition Software noise leads to my comments sending a lot more aggressive than I intend

[@IanHunter78]

This scene was re-shot, to include both Mace and Yoda. Some of the same dialog was actually used.

[@christianbaer2897]

"This deleted scene paints a totally different picture, than all the other scenes with that character." Maybe there was a reason to delete that scene...

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

No shit

[@docdaytona108]

I always thought that Episode I and II were setting up a reveal that Mace was Dooku’s ‘mole’ still inside the Jedi Temple and his actions toward Anakin were meant to stoke the boy’s already fiery spirit, to push him away from the Jedi way. The purple (red + blue) lightsaber, Windu’s use of Vaapad, Samuel L. playing it with a hint of, well, underlying menace, the whole matter of who actually erased Kamino from the Jedi Archives, and so on. It would have made Anakin’s turn at least a little more sympathetic and shown that the Dark Side had actually infiltrated the Temple long before Order 66. Bonus detail: Jackson also played Mr. Glass in ‘Unbreakable,’ which was released between Episodes I and II. Same kind of ominously calm mentor figure.

[@cernstormrunner7263]

This just reminded me of a fake spoiler that was going around before Attack of the Clones came out. The fake spoiler was that during the Geonosis battle, Jedi would basically be throwing themselves in front of blaster bolts trying to protect the life of "the Chosen One." The idea was that they believed in the prophecy and Anakin so much that they knew they had to sacrifice themselves to keep him alive to bring Balance. Kind of wish that had been in the movie.

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

Wow I’ve never heard that before… would have been awesome!

[@cernstormrunner7263]

@@StarWarsAnalyst yeah there were a couple "spy reports" back on aint it cool news back in the day. the other one i liked was that when Anakin fell to the dark side, he unbalanced the Force and no new Force-sensitives would be born. Which is why Luke and Leia were so important, they were basically the last potential Jedi (or Sith) in the galaxy, until Anakin re-balanced the Force.

[@c.s3369]

​@cernstormrunner7263 thats actually such an interesting idea 🤔✅️

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

This would've made so much more sense of Mace's arc. He was full of himself like the rest of the Jedi were in Episode 1, this scene would've shown him warming up to him and Episode 3 proved the conclusion that he was fully willing to accept him (and that he wasn't just gonna hand the title over after one big display of power, but a truly selfless act that solved all their problems). But from the Order's ways, Anakin couldn't see it that way. It just adds to the tragedy.

[@johnmitchell4043]

Anakin should have been trained by the entire high council

[@SideWalkWalking]

I never thought about that! Mace probably was going to grant him rank. That makes sense. I wish they added more to that.

[@jacobsausage-fingers5377]

I keep having to make sure a new Star Wars video I’m watching isn’t coming from ‘Star Wars explained’🤢🤮. You’re good though👍😂

[@satchm05]

Mace is probably the most misunderstood character in the saga. Possibly followed by Owen Lars. Also, I believe that Anakin’s talk with Yoda in RotS reinforces what Obi-wan says in RotJ, basically that if Anakin had had more instruction from Yoda earlier on, he may have been better prepared for future temptations.

[@chrisporter4993]

It's all well and good to think about what could have been if these scenes had been included, but there's really no indication anywhere outside of them in either the films or The Clone Wars series that Mace Windu felt anything but skepticism and condescension towards Anakin. It seems fairly evident that Lucas cut the scenes because they muddled a clear portrayal of what Mace and the other Council members thought about Anakin, and it was already fairly clear that they were failing him both as teachers and as leaders from the rest of their portrayal throughout. Anything that didn't make it into an official cut of the films or series isn't really canon.

[@inotaishu1]

the jedi didn't simply fail Anakin, Anakin chose to let everyone else burn and die just to safe Padme.

[@Revkor]

oh they failed. as a therapist said trhe order lack the tools to address Anakin's issues

[@kevlark3184]

Anakin did bring balance to the force by killing most of the Jedi. Then killing the only Sith other then himself.

[@matthewk4912]

No, that's false. George said Anakin is the Chosen One and fulfilled the prophecy by destroying the Sith. He said that the Jedi restore the balance, that's why the movie he restores balance in is called "Return of the Jedi." And the Jedi in that movie live forever as spirits while the Sith don't, and Luke goes on to build a new Order. The balance refers to getting rid of dictators that try to rule over everything because then the scales are tipped too much toward the dark.

[@toodlepop]

i can never get enough of these clips that i haven't seen. it makes me feel like they're still making actual star wars. if AI can one day give me more star wars movies like the ones i love then i'm all for AI. bring on the terminators.

[@chaz2187]

I’ve always thought that in that moment in RotS Windu was planning on giving Anakin the rank of master. It’s only inferred, but if true makes Anakin’s fall even more tragic.

[@alexrosu4405]

2:10 I don't think Anakin was ever confused about whether he wanted to do the dirty with Padme or not

[@steveleeart]

Whose sabres are better? Yours or theories?

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

His are from China

[@zeruel31]

@@StarWarsAnalyst forget that short lasting crap

[@chancebrown106]

OOP

[@AJadedLizard]

The EU always treated Windu with respect. He was a good leader and understood being a leader meant having to do things he might not have personally agreed with. I can't help but think he knew putting Anakin on the Council and not promoting him would be an insult, but it was the will of Council and it fell to him to tell Anakin, even though he didn't necessarily agree. Windu told Anakin to stay at the Temple _specifically_ because he knew how attached he was to Palpatine, and because he didn't want to put him in a position where he'd have to choose between the Order and his surrogate father. He was harsh, but it was out of compassion for Anakin's mental state. The current continuity has just made him a dickhead because it hates authority figures who aren't women, but we won't talk about that.

[@Eclipse_Graphics]

You have to check out the novel Shatterpoint and the ROTS novel to truly understand Mace. He should have had more scenes in the movies.

[@Mavnels10]

If Mace Windu was the most competent warrior, then why didn't he just stab Dooku or Jango Fett in the back when he had the chance?

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

@@Mavnels10 that wouldn’t be the Jedi way

[@MaxwellHunter-ke5xp]

Mace Windu wanted to kill neither of them. Neither of them are exactly evil, but only for the sake of self defence

[@khatack]

Must be hard to sell lightsabers after what Disney did to the franchise.

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

I could only imagine how my company would do if Disney actually put out content that made fans excited

[@khatack]

@@StarWarsAnalyst As an ex-fan of Star Wars, I feel your pain. My excitement at seeing a lightsaber is just a distant echo of what it used to be. Fingers crossed someone will revive the franchise after a decade or so and retcon out all the Disney stuff.

[@stephenbreen7570]

I truly believe that this movie should have been 3hrs long

[@Doofwarrior88]

That conversation was edited to be inside the jedi temple with yoda

[@keshhan6412]

I seem to recall that just before or around the time these prequels were released there was a hue and cry about a scarcity of black characters in Star Wars, then Sammy Jackson was hired. Mace Windu is a Jedi DEI.

[@FJohn-i9w]

1. Tensions are high and potentially on the brink of war. 2. Prophecy was not viewed favorably because it wasn't understood by most. (Dukoo was obsessed with it and decided to stop as it was effecting him and Quigon during his apprenticeship.) 3. They've just found out the Sith have possibly returned. So, "this boy", was low on the priority list as far as training him was concerned. Especially since he was considered too old. I think one of the reasons they changed their minds is because of Anakin's JarJar moment on the Trade Federation ship. 4. Lastly, Lucas is a story teller, above all. He's not a writer. Which he gave liberty to actors to portray their characters as they saw them within Lucas's guidelines. The point being Sam Jackson may have decided to portray the Mace Windu that we see. His interpretation of the character.

[@clxmasisland6724]

When Mace told Tom Cruise he was the “chosen one” in the Matrix, I almost cried.

[@thetikijam]

No no, your thinking of the jet li movie, The One. Where Mace told the other Mace that he's the dude playing the dude that looks like the other dude, then Tom came cruising in on a couch and became Chinese.

[@mace9930]

I loved Tom Cruise as Corbin Dallas in that movie!

[@clxmasisland6724]

@@mace9930 when he tells the terrorist leader "YMCA, MR. FALCONI" The whole theater cheered!

[@1077mikev]

Mace Windu's statement was hypothetical.

[@Cujo5]

Deleted footage my ass. That was in the movie.

[@scottb3034]

a different version with different dialogue was.

[@janmeisinger6882]

I love the final cut of the whole trilogy but there are so many deleted scenes that would have made it so much better.

[@nicholasbelladonnapapajohn7950]

wake up babe, new ROTS deleted scene dropped

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

@@nicholasbelladonnapapajohn7950 AOTC

[@Foxtrot5]

Just give us the scene, don't stick trashy music on it and keep interjecting your thoughts

[@StarWarsAnalyst]

Then do some research and find the scene yourself. I cannot just upload only the scene… my channel would be terminated

[@trainfire2008]

@@StarWarsAnalystomg….Trashy Music⁉️….. this is just a Troll‼️ Great video

[@AdanFortitude-CastilloAbysmal_]

Love or Hate; Faith or Destruction; Loyalty or Betrayal; Every Master is Defined By His Teachings: Adamistan_Christ

[@AdanFortitude-CastilloAbysmal_]

0:02

[@AdanFortitude-CastilloAbysmal_]

😇

[@Frankie5Angels150]

I always thought it was the abysmal acting skills.

[@feralaca123]

Even without this, I feel the council failed anakin.

[@travishooten3442]

I hate when people post a video like hey check out this cool scene then it's just some guy talking instead of just showing the clip

[@legomaster9190]

Still waiting on that super-hyperspace extended edition on Star Wars that will have all these deleted scenes on it... Will it ever see the light of day, who really knows.. In the meantime, we'll have to settle to the deleted scenes from the discs main menus.. Would be awesome, though. That would be like LotR level of epicness but in Star Wars!

[@funkmasteryoda8323]

No amount of analysis will take away the fact that this deleted scene is yet another scene of people standing and talking in front of a green screen. That's all these movies are: sitting and talking, walking and talking, walking then pausing to talk before walking again, and so on.

[@benburk7765]

Mace would have been the perfect teacher for Anikin because Mace knew Anikin without even knowing him, plus Mace was the voice of rule that’s why he was on the council

[@paulnelson2112]

I wish they would have kept this scene in

[@aramisone7198]

They deleted many important scenes i dont understand why.

[@yodudeyo100]

It's so frustrating knowing things probably would have gone so much better if Anakin would have just stayed behind like Mace had asked.

[@Sorran87]

Mace believed Anakin was the one from the prophecy, but it was the prophecy itself that he questioned the most

[@jamescousins9216]

I think that Mace's doubts about Anakin from the Naboo crisis have pretty well disappeared over his training into Attack of the Clones. The reason they came back up in Episode 3 was that Windu smelled a rat. If you look at how Windu talked to Palpatine in ROTS, he's already more formal, slightly pushing back. Palpatine saying "oh yes, now Anakin is my personal representative" was incredibly suspicious, why would the Chancellor choose Anakin if there wasn't something going on with the two of them? Windu never had any issues with Anakin's skill in the traditional Jedi roles. But this espionage and intrigue was never was most Jedi trained for, and whatever scheme was going on, Anakin looked to be pretty deep with already. Windu said he didn't think Anakin could handle it because he thought Skywalker was already compromised. Hence why just sitting in the Council chambers after reporting Palpatine gets Windu's trust: Anakin would've broken whatever attachment he had to Sideous. EDIT: And of course, the scenes from the Clone Wars TV show add even more reinforcement to Windu seeing a plot.

[@hadorstapa]

It's important to be careful when using deleted scenes to gain insight into actual canonical events. Deleted scenes are deleted for a variety of reasons: runtime, pacing, story shape. But they're also deleted sometimes because the makers decide they don't work right. It might be that this deleted scenes reveals something true about Mace and Anakin's relationship, but it might also be that this scene was ultimately deleted because it misrepresents Mace and his relationship with Anakin.

[@chrissangenette6359]

Good analysis but I don't buy it. It seems like he was just telling Obi Wan what he needed to hear to accomplish his mission and to keep his mind focused and not thinking of Anakin. If Mace truly trusted Anakin he would've used Anakin in the fight Against Sidious instead of side lining him. And we've seen Mace do this duplicitous shit with Asohka when he tosses out of the Jedi then tries to cover it up when he finds out he's wrong with " The force testing you. This was one of your Jedi trials."

[@symbolofpeacetv1578]

Deleted scenes aint cannon

[@imrgohard270]

How can ppl say mace was jealous when what his suspicions turned out to be true.

[@HistorianMogruith]

Why are your sabers so expensive bro? Of course its buy ONE get TWO.

[@tsunamisands]

It's like when you have a job and you feel that you work hard, your peers say you're good and should be promoted. That peer pressure drives you nuts and you go to the boss and ask for a raise and promotion only to be hit with a "no, you're too new still. we have a process for all employees to scale a ladder you should follow." Instead of helping you understand and achieve those goals, they shut the door on you, maybe give you a title without pay. You start thinking I work harder than anyone, I do so much, why won't they listen. Then comes along some other company like, hey I noticed you got skills and I like you, how about you come work for us, I'll put you up at the top and here's a bonus. So you jump ship to screw over the company on your way out, and later find out the new place wasn't a great idea either. Now you've lost everything and are stuck in a place you can't get out because bills gotta get paid. Poor Anakin... economy sucks.

[@mikevanroy9356]

It was the Council's decision to initially not train him and then to put him on the Council but not promote him. Mace was just the one who said it.

[@KK-sg5gl]

Doesn’t “bring balance to the force” actually mean that all the Jedi would die because there were way more Jedi than Sith? But they just didn’t know what it meant? So he did fulfill that prophecy.

[@russellharrell2747]

The council didn’t promote Ani to master because they hadn’t chosen him for the council. It was Palps that forced them to place him. Given time they surely would have elevated him to master and granted him a seat, but the Jedi council probably felt the need to blunt Sheev’s ever growing influence and thus Ani became a political pawn twice over.

[@soyevquirsefron990]

Or Mace did hate him, didn’t believe Anakin was the chosen one, but he knew Obi did believe and Mace was manipulating Obi to send Anakin out to fail and get rid of Anakin one way or another

[@prometheusmodelow8322]

Windu was right, being powerful isn't enough to be a Jedi Master, you need to have wisdom to back it up.

[@scottb3034]

some wacko fans seems to think otherwise.

[@Revkor]

wisdom they lacked. the best answser would be to outright reject the request. and make it a point its about Palpatine trying to influence the council not on anakin

[@prometheusmodelow8322]

@@Revkor That doesn't seem very smart, that way the Jedi have no way to spy on Palpatine, in the movie is only thanks to Anakin spying on him that they found out he was the Sith Lord, making Anakin their spy was the wisest course of action given the information they knew.

[@_cloudiiskxy_158]

Why didn’t Mace just pull rank and oversee Anikins training

[@ivandovranic5834]

That "not granting the rank of master" line was actually directed at Palpatine and his attempt to force that promotion upon Jedi Council, I feel stupid as hell for taking so much time to realize that🤦‍♂️

[@eastbeastfilms]

It's just bad writing and inconsistent role reversals on George Lucas's part. He never developed any of the character's relationships much because everything was an overconfident first and only draft

[@KicktheSky34]

This conversation would've saved the whole order, of course they cut it.

[@gc3k]

It's still a deleted scene. Generally speaking you should judge a movie based on what's presented to you, like evidence in a court case. But maybe the prequels didn't make it clear enough that Mace wasn't hostile toward Anakin

[@keithtorgersen9664]

I’d like to believe this is the truth but a counterexample is the deleted scene of Anakin killing Shaakti, and people claiming that this means her death is canon.