Delta PLANES COLLIDE at Atlanta | "The whole tail is off!"

[@VASAviation]

Better late than never. I've been out for my Type Rating Recurrent focus and unable to edit but here it is. If you'd like to listen to more of the subsequent aftermath audio, we can bring that up as well. I didn't want the main video to be so long. Thoughts on this collision?

[@Nicolas_Rangel]

It's unbelievable how severe an aiplane can be damaged even when speed of plane A is 0 and plane B taxying at about 15-20 km/h.

[@mlcochran78]

This is an indirect consequence of a closure of 9L/27R (construction) - the longest runway at the field which usually accommodates international widebody departures like DAL295. So the use of the north complex for these flights (8R/26L) is highly unusual. This was the very first day of the 9L/27R closure.

[@TheEDFLegacy]

​@@Nicolas_Rangel Makes sense when that A350 weighs about 600,000lbs; it was about to fly halfway around the world, so it would have been near its MTOW. Based on the wing damage, I also think the A350 hit the CRJ's vertical stabilizer, so that would have been maximum leverage on a near-perfect adjacent angle.

[@elcastorgrande]

Victor, whenever you get to a video, we know it will be worth waiting for.

[@toldt]

Hard to imagine the Delta crew not being at fault. It's not like the RJ backed up into their path. While ground controller may have prevented this, the A350 pilots should have realized they might not have enough clearance to pass - they should be aware of where their wingtips are.

[@regould221]

When threatened, the CRJ900s tail is supposed to come off to distract the predator, giving the rest of the plane a chance to escape.

[@user2kffs]

😂 And then grow it back

[@kevinkeating9034]

I will now forever say that CRJs have lizard tales

[@FishBaitBlue]

😂 well done sir

[@DontUputThatEvilOnMe]

Not when the hydraulics are leaking.

[@Queen1midas]

😂😂😂

[@aarontrueblood4340]

That was the most competent airport ops guy I’ve ever heard on the radio

[@toldt]

Better then the ARFF and certainly not Delta tug 2😂

[@tafan321]

OPs should have made the decision to roll trucks. - OPs Supervisor C.M. Have had aircraft go off runway and normally, tower lets you know, but you have to have active listening skills to the radios too and as OPS you make the command decision to roll trucks. Better to be safe than sorry on Alerts of all types.

[@jyggalag169]

They usually dont make the recording due to being too low to be picked up

[@ItsEricAZ]

@@tafan321 I agree he should have just declared a ground emergency due to extent of damages. But, there were no major leaks and things otherwise looked 'normal' so I can see why he likely didn't think to do it with this once in a billion type accident.

[@Alessandro---]

Also, it was the first time I could hear ground ops so clearly -- they always seem to have inherited the radios from a car boot sale!

[@feetperminute]

‘Just take a bit off the top’ The barber:

[@moody491]

LMAO

[@jackielinde7568]

More like an older brother slapping the hat off a younger brother.

[@BenderPY]

LMFAOOOO

[@rookie5240]

my favourite moment is the other guy in the a350 cockpit saying ‘oh boy’ in the background at 1:33 😂 he foresees paperwork in their future

[@nomenclature9373]

Looking forward to reading the eventual CVR transcript. Probably had a "WTF was that?"

[@consortiumxf]

Totally did not hear that on the many times I've listened to this audio....the tone of his voice....yikes!

[@PInk77W1]

U got better ears than me.

[@ItsEricAZ]

They'll be lucky if it's JUST paperwork.

[@PInk77W1]

@@ItsEricAZ I think the only thing that mite help A350 capt is the CRJ was way off the line. But it’s still 100% his fault

[@nalyf]

It’s quite astonishing how many comments were condemning the CRJ not holding all the way up towards the hold short line. Let alone the fact that there’s no requirement how far you’re supposed to stop from the hold short line, a senior training captain once told me that you should always be stopping where you’re able to see the whole hold short line from the cockpit, that gives you enough room to clear and eliminate the risk of even an inch of your nose sticking out to the hold short line.

[@HeliportLJ]

Have been waiting for this one since it happened…

[@tristantriton8115]

The A350 just gave a friendly slap to the CRJ's butt with a "Have a nice flight".

[@ohauss]

With the effect of "no flight today" for both of them :P

[@roadrunner6224]

The heavy pilot is like me when I got my excuses lined up before handing my mom an exam I failed miserably

[@thereissomecoolstuff]

The heavy tried his case on the radio. Will be an interesting investigation.

[@jonathanbrady5243]

I feel like a lot of airports have long enough runways for these big aircraft but the taxiways aren't sufficient.

[@Andygarrett357]

@@jonathanbrady5243 Runway was being used because 9L / 27R closed for maintenance I saw the same day.

[@adrenalinowner7992]

Second in command wasn’t watching

[@tommaxwell429]

Did he? He said he was on the centerline, but does that release him from the safe taxi of his plane and maintaining separation.

[@cageordie]

Pictures show the CRJ held short of the hold short line by something like 50 feet. If they'd been where they were directed this wouldn't have happened. But the A350 crew should have seen. There is blame to share.

[@maanmohammad8459]

Long time ago there was a plane trying to park in Frankfurt airport when the wing hit another plane.Later on I heard that the co pilot was telling the captain that it is to tight and not possible to go in,the captain replied"you wanna bet?".The captain was demoted for 6 months.

[@MichaelOfRohan]

It appears the plane on the intersection stopped way short of the hold short line. There would have been enough room assuming heavy was on center line.

[@jonathanbott87]

​@@MichaelOfRohan but only for that combination of plane types. It seems crazy that they would try to figure which planes can pass each other each time instead of just not ever having two planes pass there.

[@PInk77W1]

A 747 was landing at nite in the fog in Spain. The computer voice said “Lo terrain pull up.” The pilot thought it was a comp. Error. He said “shut up gringo” His last words

[@tdj5245]

That reminds me of a short gunsight video from a AH-64 crash - grainy NVG heading for a stand of trees, pilot asks "Think I can make it between those?", CPG says "Nope.". Few seconds later, hard landing.

[@Suppagappa]

@@PInk77W1When and where? Sounds like an interesting read!

[@ardeladimwit]

Delta new take on "Working your tail off"

[@crazedpilot747]

"Whoopsies" - Former A350 pilot

[@Andygarrett357]

9L / 27R was closed for maintenance. I was on the Delta return flight from Toronto that was directly behind the A-350, the pilots saw it occur. Chatted briefly with the FA. Lucky my aircraft was able to leave ATL on time.

[@Longstaffdk]

Where are 'Delta Tug 2' then you need him?? 😂

[@brettstowell4029]

My favorite tug!

[@jackielinde7568]

Kennedy, I believe.

[@justme5384]

Still waiting for clearance from Steve. Might take a while...

[@brettstowell4029]

@@justme5384 Last I heard he was working the ramp after retiring from the FAA.

[@macmedic892]

Still waiting on clearance to cross the runway

[@luv2fly452]

It would be great to hear all ATC comms one or two minute before the mishap. I heard that the CRJ-900 had a problem and thats why he didn't pull up closer to the hold short line. Also the A-350 had a problem as for the reason he was taxing past taxiway hotel and holding short of victor.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed.

[@mikeknowles8017]

I'd want to get that CRJ in a zero loaded condition on jacks, pull the engines, and run an alignment and symmetry to see of any permanent twist was induced into the aft fuselage. It's going to take a lot of disassembly and NDI work to get that airframe back to airworthy. I imagine the vertical attach points are all damaged. Not a simple fix.

[@N1120A]

It's not gonna get fixed

[@Andygarrett357]

Would it be worth it to even try, and could Delta get insurance after so much damage?

[@N1120A]

@@Andygarrett357 Airlines the size of the US3 have no problem with insurance.

[@jaysmith1408]

It’s a CR9, they’re not fixing it. Down payment on an Embraer.

[@moody491]

they will probably scrap the parts to a new fuselage and recycle the broken parts. It's cheaper to do that than to try to repair the aircraft

[@novamyth9]

As soon as I heard about this on the news I immediately wondered if you’d gotten the audio. Lol. Great work and the graphics help.

[@inspector4133]

You all are the best! Good luck on your type rating.

[@VASAviation]

All done on the recurrent. One more year of rating

[@vito774]

The amount of people who think it’s ok for the A350 to just slam into anything because they had a taxi clearance is astonishing 🤦‍♂️

[@VASAviation]

Very much

[@qbi4614]

The A-350 was following Endeavor for 8R takeoff. They then requested a spot to stop and troubleshoot an issue and needed to be park. Ground gave them "short of Victor" and they tried to go past the CRJ instead of waiting.

[@da40flyer]

​@@qbi4614 It falls on the A350 crew to decide if they can safely do that with the CRJ in front of them. There's no way for the controller to judge the wingtip clearance.

[@jonathanbott87]

​@@da40flyerbased on how a CRJ is one of the shortest planes, no one should be cleared through there if someone is holding.

[@pattyhaley9594]

Right? Astonishing is the word., and or maybe just ignorant? I dunno. Never underestimate the power of defense mechanisms. Same for denial.

[@justme5384]

Insurance company: "You hit WHAT?"

[@georgee6303]

Here at Farmer's Insurance we claim to know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two...

[@xqzh8936]

Some years ago, there was a Taiwanese plane losing power and hit a taxi on the bridge right before ground impact. The taxi driver called his family members about being hit by a plane, and his relatives thought he was crazy... until they saw the dash cam video of the car behind the taxi on TV.

[@gumnaamaadmi007]

'Tis but a scratch'

[@chrisharkins6929]

Yeah....should buff out

[@jackielinde7568]

"A scratch?! Your arm's off!"

[@Geoff69420]

@@jackielinde7568 "No it isn't!"

[@Wolfeson28]

@@jackielinde7568 "Your tail's off!"

[@jackielinde7568]

@@Geoff69420 ""Well what's that then?"

[@violetpotato7072]

Look here, this "Delta-on-Delta" violence is far too high! Meanwhile at Beoing HQ: "YES! Not our planes! (This time)"

[@meoka2368]

If it was a Boeing, the tail would have fallen off on its own.

[@autopilotairborne]

​@@meoka2368😂😂😂

[@jcheck6]

@@meoka2368 LOL now that is funny!

[@erichusmann5145]

@@meoka2368 Or not been installed.

[@andreyv116]

​@@meoka2368before or during it getting towed outside the environment?

[@spicemasterii6775]

Tower: Ops. Dispatch a roll of duct tape to RJ on F2

[@sarahalbers5555]

I think this will buff right out.

[@tom201090]

And some Cable Ties as well!

[@user2kffs]

Nothing wrong with duct tape, they use it all the time

[@Pistolpete147]

This almost exact scenario happened at PDX where I work out of back in 2004. One of our Horizon air q200’s was trying to park and was turning in and a Northwest A340 (NW was still around in 04) was taxing past and the left wingtip of the A340 clipped the Q200 and darn near took the tail off. Damaged the NW heavy and the Q200 was out for months, but it did get repaired and returned to service a year later. The NW heavy taxi back to gate after incident, cancelled flight, and ferried next day to MSP without the left winglet (torn off during strike) I didn’t have cell camera phone back in those days, wish I did!

[@PInk77W1]

I had no clue NW had A340 ?

[@Bothomas-vm5hz]

@@PInk77W1 they didn't, I think he might of been referring to an A330 which they did have

[@Pistolpete147]

@@Bothomas-vm5hz okay guys maybe I got the plane wrong it was a long time ago and like I said I didn’t have a smart phone so I had no way of getting pictures or a reference to it. I may also have got the year wrong, it was a long time ago. I was a ground worker for Horizon air (QX) at that time of my life and it was during one of our busy afternoon hours with several inbounds and outbounds, the Q200 was waiting to park, and the NW 330 was taxi past however the Q200 was not pulled in to the gate yet and the passing NW heavy thought they had clearance but did not and struck the tail of the Q200, and damaged it badly along with the winglet of the A330. The force struck the Q200 so hard it actually turned it and tweaked the main gear and plane had to be towed to the hanger.

[@Pistolpete147]

I looked it up and found the date to be Aug 29, 2005 so I was close. Also there was a major storm over the airport at time of the tail strike so that could have been a factor as well. A couple years later NW was purchased by Delta

[@PInk77W1]

@@Bothomas-vm5hz ok. That makes sense

[@robertbutsch1802]

I believe the A-350 was following Endeavor for 8R takeoff. The A-350 requested a spot to stop and troubleshoot an issue. Ground gave them echo short of victor. Not anything they likely ever would have done before. Maybe no A-350 has. They were taxiing on the yellow stripe on past hotel to their hold spot. Whack! I’ve heard pilots say this part of ATL will probably be labeled a hotspot in the future.

[@PetrolHeadBrasil]

That's what happened!

[@jackielinde7568]

Except that the A350 flight crew (both captain and FO) should have seen the CRJ900 as they approached that intersection. They didn't even know what they hit, which says they lost situational awareness. You can't get complacent inside a cockpit. That's how people die.

[@thesmallerhalf1968]

@@jackielinde7568you are making assumptions. They have no place in investigations.

[@utbigpapa]

​@@thesmallerhalf1968 This isn't an investigation. This is a Wendy's.

[@ThePHLMerc]

Could not for the life of me figure why the A350 taxied past the taxiway for takeoff.

[@chudez]

The tail fell off... That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.

[@McKennasFeverDream]

Hahaha best comment!

[@ksbear2]

Delta pilot was covering his ass.. "Not our fault. We were on the center line." LOL

[@bumrocky]

The Tail fell off. That's not very typical I'd like to make that point.

[@keyswelch]

These are built to very strict engineering standards.

[@justinlord6194]

Another airplane, at an airport? Chance in a million!

[@jonyerger3803]

It’s not typical for a wide body’s wing to collide with a vertical stabilizer either so what’s your point 😅

[@keyswelch]

@@jonyerger3803 r/woosh lol look up Clarke and Dawe - The Front Fell Off

[@WillyGrippo]

"Endeavor 5526, do you require any assistance?" "Yeah, we require a tail..."

[@Alessandro---]

@vasaviation your videos are the best!

[@VASAviation]

Thanks for watching

[@dwaynebrietzke]

Dayum.... knocked that tail off like a little tinker toy! Glad no one was injured!

[@feynthefallen]

Love how he's trying to cover his ass right away. Not gonna work though. If you are pilot in command, it doesn't matter what control told you, if you hit anything, it's on YOU. Even if the controller yelled and stomped and threatened your family, it's STILL on you. The only safe option is to tell them "No can do until that plane is gone or you send out a wing-walker.

[@cageordie]

@@feynthefallen The CRJ didn't hold at the line. There is blame to share.

[@TangoDelta8111]

Why blame the Rj? The heavy can see it in front of him and he is pic. Figure it out!

[@vito774]

@@cageordieno

[@jackielinde7568]

@@cageordie Maybe, but the crew of the A350 is in trouble either way. It's like a rear-end collision. It doesn't matter why the car in front of you stopped suddenly. You still have a duty to make sure you're driving your car in a way that you can stop safely and avoid the car in front of you. The crew lost situational awareness (didn't even know the CRJ900 was there, let alone a potential hazard) and they failed to maintain visual separation (struck the CRJ900). The NTSB may conclude the CRJ900 wasn't close enough to the Hold Short line, even though a lot of people are stating that there's no regulation about how close to the Hold Short line you have to be. I have questions about ground radar and proximity systems that are supposed to alert people to these kinds of things. I think KATL is equipped with them. Be an interesting read. Either way, the A350 flight crew is screwed.

[@Bothomas-vm5hz]

​@@jackielinde7568 excellent analysis, Ive been a pilot for 12 years now and a instructor once told me in flight school if you are not sure of something you stop and communicate. Those two words always gives me reassurance.

[@hallkbrdz]

Blind side monitoring with autobrake would be a nice feature on new aircraft for taxi issues.

[@kiwiwhispers]

CRJ Pilot: “Honey, I’ve got a tall tail to tell.”

[@macmedic892]

That CRJ is payroll deductible!

[@U20101954]

1:33 that 'oh boy' in the background🤣

[@tsobf242]

damn! saw the picture online but nobody knew what happened. that's rough

[@Andygarrett357]

Juan Browne said on the big heavies pilots can't see the wingtips from the cockpits. Cameras might be helpful.

[@jackielinde7568]

@@Andygarrett357 Except the blind spot around the wingtips doesn't excuse the A350 flight crew. They rolled up to the intersection where the CRJ900 was, so both the Captain and FO should have seen the plane with its tail out long before the plane entered the A350's blind spot. The flight crew didn't even know what they hit.

[@UKV1452]

Nah sorry guys - not ATC and not the CRJ - its the Pilot In Command's responsibility to maintain wingtip clearence, no one elses.

[@qbi4614]

The A-350 was following Endeavor for 8R takeoff. They then requested a spot to stop and troubleshoot an issue and needed to be park. Ground gave them "short of Victor" and they tried to go past the CRJ instead of waiting.

[@David-ud9ju]

Kind of sounds like it is definitely ATC's fault. How can a pilot know exactly where their wings are? If you've been given clearance to taxi passed another plane, you'd expect the airport to be designed to allow that to happen and for ATC to know you can pass there.

[@UKV1452]

@@David-ud9ju Oh gee, I dunno, how about the camera mounted in the tail especially for that purpose? Besides, if you're not 100% sure, you STOP

[@BouillaBased]

I don't understand why external cameras for monitoring more than just the status of the landing gear haven't become more common.

[@VASAviation]

Because they're not really that useful

[@kcgunesq]

@@VASAviation Until they are.

[@VASAviation]

@@kcgunesq why don't aircraft have 20 tires with 20 brakes to improve braking action and weight support? Because it's been demonstrated that 6-8 are enough for most runways and surfaces all around the world. Same here. Putting wingtip cameras for what? 5-10 wingtip clips a year? Not worth it.

[@swilleh_]

​@@VASAviation2 cameras vs expensive wheels and breaks.

[@VASAviation]

Simple cameras, with all the wires with all the new design and engineering with all the new construction of the wing to fit in wires all along inside it. Then design buttons, system and even a new display to view the cameras in the cockpit. Good luck having that done.

[@JamesLightning]

That pilots new call sign will be “Cut-off”

[@DarthEvilicus]

We were on the centerline (translation it shouldn’t be our fault. Typical Delta)

[@christophelemaire4551]

The real question here is if they were cleared to taxi that close to the CRJ. From the communications in that video, i'm unable to state about that.

[@matthewrammig]

At the end of the day, this whole incident is all gonna come out of Delta’s pocket or out of their insurance.

[@driftlesstrekker4709]

Thank you Captain Obvious.

[@matthewrammig]

@@driftlesstrekker4709 Dear Asshat, it’s not that obvious for people that don’t know that Endeavor is owned by Delta.

[@frzstat]

Bombardier headed for the Cathouse! (Cathouse is where Bombardier gets it's tail.)

[@kisaragi-hiu]

That's a clean hit, wow.

[@mariosouto2668]

This occurrence is not exactly an occurrence that an aircraft owner would want to have in his flight log.

[@Datamining101]

Wow. That wasn’t even close. I thought it was just the winglet from the reporting, but the pip video makes it clear it was well inboard from that.

[@GearboxEnt]

The CRJ's position shown on the runway diagram in this video is wrong, though - if you watch Blancolirio's video about it, you can see in the images that the CRJ was over 40 feet further back from the hold short line than is represented here

[@kuebbisch]

But if you look at the inset photo of the A350 wing at 0:41 it looks to me that only the winglet is damaged by impact. The outboard slats don't seem to be damaged. Altough I guess the A350 wing and frame needs an inspection for hidden damages at the attachment point of the wing root to the frame also. But for chopping off the tail of the RJ the A350 seems to have remarkably little damage.

[@shiina_mahiru_9067]

Both planes seems to be at their supposed positions, so it might be just a simple geometry problem. Planes with long wing span should have some kind of detection sensor on the wing to avoid such collision

[@tigerman1978]

"Cutting" it a bit close it seems :o

[@davecrupel2817]

So the CRJ was where he was supposed to be. And so was the 350. Its as i suspected. The a350 has such a monstrously big wingspan that its mere presence is a standout collision risk with surrounding aircraft.

[@pal2011]

Give ops6 a raise

[@charlie7mason]

Very competent, alert, and professional. Might've been doing this a while.

[@most-average-athelete]

Question for insurance purposes about who is going to pay a hefty bill after this :) If DAL295 was in fact running perfectly on center line is this still it's fault? Are pilots expected to visually judge the taxi path considering their whole wingspan? I know there are no rules how much before the hold short line, you are supposed to stop.

[@patheddles4004]

More general principle, I reckon - if you're operating an aircraft in a non-emergency situation and you hit a stationary object, then you done screwed up. Doesn't matter what the stationary object is or how much it shouldn't have been there - you ain't supposed to hit it. Same deal with driving a car honestly - traffic signals function a lot like ATC clearance in giving us permission to move in certain places, but ultimately as the driver you're responsible for not running into anything.

[@TidalWavesLion]

I knew this would be up on here when i heard what happened. I've been waiting to hear this.

[@SweetToastSugar]

Keep Climbing

[@NiallMiranda]

Anybody wondered why A350s headed to Tokyo-Haneda have been ending up with collisions this year?

[@seantaggart7382]

Jeez I thought metal was strong but aluminum is Pretty flexible at times!

[@thatguy7085]

First officer on the AirBus… his fault. He was responsible for clearing the wing.

[@diegorhoenisch62]

You are high. Captain has the tiller, it's his aircraft.

[@MichaelOfRohan]

Friendly fire, ouch!

[@athgt6630]

southwest saw it coming and were taxiing just below V1

[@jake_]

There was this screeching sound of metal being stretched and teared up , the plane shaked and moved to the left and the passengers are probably terrified. . No need for immediate assistance, we might need a tow though.

[@KILAH4716]

Why are there sirens for vehicles on the runway when everyone's communicating with radio chatter anyway? Not to mention the sound of airplane engines would wash out the sound of the sirens, and as displayed here, no one can communicate through radio chatter if sirens are blaring.

[@kevindavis8175]

0:55 Is that the same controller that said something along the lines of, “You’re in Atlanta. Get it together?”

[@TheGospelQuartetParadise]

Blancolirio did a report on this and pointed out that the CRJ had stopped well short of the hold line and had he stopped AT the hold line the 350 probably would have cleared the tail. In the video it is quite obvious that the CRJ was stopped and not still taxiing. Maybe airbus needs to start making folding wingtips like the triple 7x. Perhaps there should be a ground TCAS or wingtip cameras so the pilots of big jets can see from the wing when they are closing in on something obstructing their path. Great report.

[@vito774]

No

[@da40flyer]

There's no requirement that says how far from the hold bars the aircraft must stop. The CRJ was stopped, holding position as instructed awaiting takeoff clearance.

[@GearboxEnt]

@@da40flyer The point was, it was not in the position shown in the video above, it was 40+ feet further back.

[@TheGospelQuartetParadise]

@@da40flyer Runway Holding Position Markings on Taxiways. These markings identify the locations on a taxiway where aircraft MUST STOP when a clearance has not been issued to proceed onto the runway. Generally, runway holding position markings also identify the boundary of the runway safety area (RSA) for aircraft exiting the runway. Runway holding position markings are shown in FIG 2-3-13 and FIG 2-3-16. When instructed by ATC, “Hold short of Runway XX,” the pilot MUST STOP so that no part of the aircraft extends beyond the runway holding position marking. When approaching runways at airports with an operating control tower, pilots must not cross the runway holding position marking without ATC clearance. Pilots approaching runways at airports without an operating control tower must ensure adequate separation from other aircraft, vehicles, and pedestrians prior to crossing the holding position markings. An aircraft exiting a runway is not clear of the runway until all parts of the aircraft have crossed the applicable holding position marking. Do you stop half a block away when at an intersection?

[@da40flyer]

@TheGospelQuartetParadise Show where in that reg is specifies a distance from the hold bars (hint, it doesn't). The hold bars are the limit, the PIC can stop wherever they want to prior to that point.

[@Jcshh]

Cleveland Brown running tower

[@triviszla1536]

I hope my flight never ends up on the channel

[@TSKseattle]

It doesn't look like either plane was in the wrong spot, they just shouldn't have been there at the same time. the exojet should have been cleared forward first

[@brekiarnz161]

221 passengers is a lot of people to reaccomodate. And to go to Tokyo is not a small hub. That probably ruined a lot of connections.

[@ehmha3641]

It's been a long time coming...

[@kaboom9081]

Just wondering, would the CRJ sound an alarm for missing the tail or would they try to take off if it was dark and nobody noticed the accident?

[@da40flyer]

CRJ would get an alarm for loss of hydraulic pressure.

[@kaboom9081]

@@da40flyer thank you

[@ManoliGreek2640]

Just passing by & giving a love tap that’s all lol

[@silviadragoness5904]

Between the video I saw and some of the still photos taken after the incident, I'm pretty sure the CRJ was not pulled all the way up to the hold-short line. Also, clarification: I read elsewhere that the CRJ passengers were disembarked on site and bussed back to the terminal, while the A350 was able to taxi back to the terminal (either under its own power or by being towed) and disembark its passengers there.

[@Jeffhuebner]

Whose fault is this? The airport, the tower? One of the pilots?

[@Marco1970_]

​@Jeffhuebner Pilot not stopping on the hold line.

[@ChaseB1896]

@@Marco1970_ There's no requirement for how close you must be to the line. A350 pilot's fault for not checking clearance. The moving aircraft is the one who must check clearance, this is not the CRJ's fault.

[@maanmohammad8459]

@@Jeffhuebner No question it is the Airbus fault.

[@vito774]

@@Marco1970_no

[@Queen1midas]

What kills me about this is why don't all planes have cameras or at least proximity warning devices in the wing tips to warn the pilots? We have them on cars and these planes are way more expensive to fix. This could have been completely avoided.

[@davisflyer]

While it's great that he was on centerline, centerline doesn't guarantee clearance from other aircraft!

[@mee247]

Endeavor to Delta ready to copy a number

[@tfbond8687]

I predict an upcoming policy change by Mayor Pete. He has a lot of knowledge about tails getting bumped.

[@patheddles4004]

Wait, what does he know a lot about and why?

[@Taylexwow]

I am not a pilot and I have an honest question. A350 said he was on the centerline......I'm assuming the CRJ was in the correct place to hold short......so if blame is to placed....where does it go?

[@da40flyer]

A350 crew. On centerline or nor, its the crews responsibility to ensure wingtip clearance.

[@patheddles4004]

Yeah, A350 flight crew. Pilots /really/ aren't supposed to collide with anything, and if it's a stationary object like a stopped plane then there's really no one else to blame.

[@willyum42]

I guess we know what he picks if asked heads or tails?

[@collectorguy3919]

People are saying the CRJ is a total loss. Opinions on the A350 damage? It doesn't look bad, but that might not mean anything.

[@charlie7mason]

As a layman, I wonder if it means they'll have to replace the whole wing because that might be easier depending on the materials involved, or if subsections of it can be replaced. I would imagine it can be replaced in sections, so they'll just have to test the rest of the wing for fatigue and stuff.

[@NicolaW72]

That was a bad day in the office/ cockpit for all involved in this incident. Fortunately nobody was hurt. Probably one CRJ has to be scrapped, but the outcome could have been much worse.

[@myvidedits]

When did Cleveland get a job in ATC?!

[@davidpearson3304]

There will be an investigation(s) by multiple organizations. Then, depending on what the actual investigation discovers (not that social network “experts” think) this will be handled quietly. My guess would be, the A350 crew will be allowed (or “encouraged”) to retire if they are found to be at fault. Probably even a quiet agreement with the union to not pursue any further actions such as termination without pay if they agree to head off into the sunset quietly.

[@PInk77W1]

So u think the A350 captain is out of a job ?

[@justinebautista1383]

@@PInk77W1he will definitely be in trouble

[@GearboxEnt]

While you can argue that it might or might not make a difference in responsibility, the position shown for the CRJ in this video is incorrect - it was about 40 feet back from the hold short line, not right at the line as represented here. If it had been pulled forward to the line as represented above, there would have been no collision (the Blancolirio video on the topic is a good resource). Again, not talking about responsibility, just pointing out that this video shows the positions and scale incorrectly

[@qbi4614]

Blancolirio is wrong. The A-350 was following Endeavor for 8R takeoff. They then requested a spot to stop and troubleshoot an issue and needed to be park. Ground gave them "short of Victor" and the tried to go past the CRJ instead of waiting.

[@GearboxEnt]

@@qbi4614 you're not understanding. The position of the CRJ is visible in all the pictures from the incident, and discussed in the Blancolirio video. You can see that the CRJ is 40+ feet from the hold short line. Not sure what to tell you.

[@CapStar362]

@@GearboxEnt doesn't matter, the A350 crew has to maintain clearances of other smaller aircraft, its THEIR responsibility as the "passing" aircraft the ensure they made sure they wouldnt strike the CRJ Knowing they were going past him into much smaller taxiway spaces. Victor is restricted to B767 size and smaller

[@GearboxEnt]

@@CapStar362 apparently you chose to disregard both the first and last sentences of my comment

[@CapStar362]

@@GearboxEnt apparently you dont understand CFR and Pilot/aircraft responsibilities, so who cares one YT Video has a incorrect position. that does not change the fact thereof.

[@999soareagle]

We just hit something. "Its only the tail, we still have wings and engines. So no problem." The future...

[@mer2705]

I have never gotten a piece of tail at the airport

[@RCleve]

Centerline or not, it is your responsibility to not hit other aircraft. What a silly attempt at a CYA. I couldn’t believe he had the gumption to say that.

[@Malignant88]

At least they have the same insurer.

[@keita2282]

yikes, and that splash of hydraulic fluid? jeez

[@christophelemaire4551]

Because of tail hydraulics, that makes sense i guess.

[@katisugarbaker7349]

This sounds just like HOOVER of pilot debrief. He flies A350s out of the southeast.

[@JnH7903]

can you tell me, whats the different between Alert1, 2 and 3?

[@da40flyer]

Alert 1 An aircraft is experiencing minor difficulties, such as an oil leak or a single engine out. A safe landing is expected. Alert 2 An aircraft is experiencing major difficulties, such as an engine on fire or faulty landing gear. A difficult or crash landing may be expected. Alert 3 An aircraft has crashed or is likely to crash, or the pilot has indicated the landing gear will not work.

[@JnH7903]

@@da40flyer Thank you, but I was more concerned with the consequences. Of course more ARFF is sent, but how much more etc.?

[@borisbadaxe9678]

We just hit something on the taxiway. Yes, you just hit your early retirement age.

[@pwayne3580]

Git yer hawt scrap iron fresh at 8R!

[@weston9106]

Didn’t know Cleveland Brown became an ATC

[@Peteliao]

ATL Tower sounds like Cleveland Brown

[@ChasingMyTravelDreams]

Why US ATC when handling situations like this never proactively give a discreet frequency or advise all parties involved on what frequency to be? When you listen to EU ATCs they always issue a frequency or advise everyone to stay with them.

[@PInk77W1]

How often does an A350 hit a CRJ in EU ?

[@shockysocky5396]

Is that Brian Calen trynna fly that bigger delta plane?

[@Kni0002]

This is the second time a a350 is collided with another plane this year or ever..

[@PInk77W1]

JAL

[@Steven-qi4gm]

Cleveland from family guy working the tower 😂

[@JSBIRD69]

A bit of a goat rope event...the collision and after.

[@monkeym0n8]

"I was on centerline".... doesn't mean you did not hit another plane there old-timer

[@16MedicRN]

How this could happen and couldn't be foreseen is crazy. I'm glad the pilots realized they hit something? Is that extra credit or normal 😂?

[@PInk77W1]

Meanwhile the space shuttle was given clearance for re entry with a big hole in the wing. Yikes