DELTARUNE / Spamton Character Analysis / A Nuanced Tragedy

[@Dan280974]

another thing that makes this even more tragic is that, if spamton were to succeed at achieving his goal and were to steal kris's soul. he would still have someone pulling his strings. that person being us. there was no possible way for spamton to succeed...

[@JaruJaruJ]

Very true!

[@nick_299]

If the first Spamton fight is anything to go by though, he probably has at least some ability to resist us, what with not allowing us to refuse the final deal. (Side note, I think that when he's saying "I won't force you" he's specifically speaking to Kris. When the player refuses, him saying "wrong" might indicate that Kris had already accepted.)

[@Dan280974]

@@nick_299 true that. but if we control him he could only give the soul back to kris but if he has to kill kris to get the soul he is now in the predicament of kris.

[@quelquun8885]

And even us aren't free, bounded by the story line 😕 The only free person in this game is Toby

[@transientlattice]

playable spamton sounds fun

[@aetherinfuse]

He couldn't become a big shot again in game, but he truly has become a big shot in the community

[@Angelik_]

As a spamton fan,I can confirm that he's truly a [number#1 ratedsalesman] in our [heartshapeobject]

[@OneBrokenEgg]

True that

[@Data-Expungeded]

@@Angelik_ he’s finally reached so far to see past the stars, into [heaven]

[@Barakon]

Yeah UwU.

[@draw2death421]

Funny enough if you think about it. He did put his head above the coulds and looked into heaven wich is our world. We bolstered Spamton up irl making him truely a big shot!

[@erikm8373]

Personally, I have always thought the reason Kris is so upset after the Spamton fight isn't simply that he worries about not being able to cut his own strings, but rather, because he saw what happened when Spamton _did_ cut his strings: he collapsed, dead. I feel like that moment made Kris think "what if that happens to me? what if this soul controlling me is also what's keeping me alive?"

[@JaruJaruJ]

Oooo, interesting point!

[@Cappuccino_Rabbit]

Considering Kris looks weaker whenever they take off the heart (the player soul), i think Kris is already aware they can't live without the soul even before meeting spamton, however seeing spamton collapsed/paralyzed and helpless after getting his own strings cut is just a reminder for Kris how they can't be free no matter what powers they have Hence Kris seemed to scream when picking "No" (when ralsei asks you if you're ok), Kris knows if somehow they lose connection with the soul, it'll be the end. If spamton's "death" (i mean he doesn't die really) is connected to what happens if Kris and the player soul are fully disconnected, then i call this great foreshadowing.

[@questionmark8991]

friendly reminder that kris uses they/them pronouns :')

[@awfultwine9455]

@@questionmark8991 ok

[@riflezen6049]

@@questionmark8991 (i probably shouldn't, but i can't resist) They/them is used when you cannot specify or ascertain someone’s gender. Source: Primary School. Nowadays, with the whole gender and sexual revolution, the pronouns they/them have earned an additional meaning, which is to refer to non-binary people. And in Undertale, Frisk was always referred to as "they"- does this make Frisk non-binary or demigender? No, because the fandom seems to almost universally agree Frisk is female and she/her. Just because a character is exclusively referred to as "they" doesn't canonically mean they're non-binary, unless it's expressly stated in-game- which it isn't, in DeltaRune's case. With this logic, I could also claim Kris is mute because they're a silent protagonist without any spoken dialogue- just like how some people think Link, for example, is mute because HE doesn't have any spoken dialogue, only various grunts and shouts. If you want to headcanon Kris as non-binary, that's perfectly fine- hell, that's what I headcanon. But don't claim it's *canon* that Kris is non-binary, because there are zero direct sources confirming that.

[@StanleyG23]

Even if Toby confirmed that the merchandise is not canon, the "SPAMTON'S SPECIL FUN PAK!!!" shows past (non-corrupted) Spamton in a red suit inside a "cungadero". P.S. My favorite line from Spamton comes from the SnowGrave route and it feels like it's a direct parallel to Spamton's life (think about the YOU/YOUR referring to Spamton): "GO AHEAD, [Kid]... CALL ALL YOU WANT! NO ONE WILL EVER PICK UP GO AHEAD AND [Scream] INTO THE [Receiver]. THE [Voice] RUNS OUT EVENTUALLY YOUR [Voice] THEIR [Voice] UNTIL YOU REALIZE YOU ARE ALL ALONE THERE WILL BE NO MORE [Miracles] NO MORE [Magic]. YOU LOST IT WHEN YOU TRIED TO SEE TOO FAR.... ... YOU LOST IT... YOU MAKE ME [Sick]!"

[@JaruJaruJ]

It's a really good line. Definitely showcases Spamton's worldview and life experiences perfectly.

[@HollyfromtheHollow]

Indeed, @@JaruJaruJ. It really seems to me that Spamton likes projecting, like with his first introductory pitch.

[@ashes_to_ashes_dust_to_dust]

* Your worthless friends... * ...can't save you now" * Call for help * I dare you * Cry into the darkness! ''Mommy! Daddy'' ''Somebody help!'' * See what good it does you * ... * *But nobody came* Seems familiar, doesn't it?🤔

[@OneBrokenEgg]

@@ashes_to_ashes_dust_to_dust Deja Vu

[@Data-Expungeded]

spamton’s projecting

[@Heavenly9999]

The original version of the Pinocchio story ends with Pinocchio being hung from a tree by a noose ... which is kind of like a string. Also the person that makes him into real boy is a BLUE fairy while another blue person prevents Spamton from becoming one.

[@JaruJaruJ]

I hadn't even thought to draw the noose comparison between the original Pinocchio and Spamton. Great catch!

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

@@JaruJaruJ not to mention spamton's long nose, being a desperate salesman he probably lied a lot in his time

[@Rayimyth]

Not true. I read the original Pinocchio novel and he is hung midway through the book but doesn't die.

[@Heavenly9999]

@@Rayimyth in the original serialized version of the story the chapter where he was hanged, chapter 15, was the ending but the creators editor requested that there be more chapters which were chapters 16-36.

[@draw2death421]

​@@TheRealSuperKirbyi mean he does lie curently too in someways lol.

[@ArcaneOblivion]

I'm literally a pointy-nosed salesman with slicked-back hair. I constantly struggle with the idea that my best days may be behind me. So, you can imagine how uncanny it was for me to see a pointy-nosed salesman with slicked-back hair struggling with their fall from grace. This great analysis helped be appreciate Spamton even more, in a way that I never expected. I never expected such a relatable character.

[@JaruJaruJ]

I'm glad you found this relatable! And if you really fear that you may be heading down a similar path, then all I can advise is that you don't make Spamton's mistake! Make sure to surround yourself with people you care about, and who care about you as well! We can't control the suffering we face, but we can control whether we face it alone. I hope things go well for you. x)

[@massiveedgelord5945]

try not to contact the man who speaks in hands

[@dustinstage3192]

Really I also relate to Spamton too.We have similar Hairstyles,Wear glasses,Society is not meant for us and our friends are too busy doing stuff when really they just abonded us.

[@menolikeyou805]

Yknow, I can relate to Spamton too, kinda. And I'm not talking appearance. (okay there are some similarities, appearance wise but anyways) A few months ago I had like a month long mental breakdown. And looking back at it, I realize that my entire breakdown, surrounded the idea that I could truly never be free, that society turned its back on me, my friends and family turned their backs on me, and that I had to get back at society and that I had to gain my freedom. I had a lot of pretty dark thoughts going through my mind during that time. And my lack of sleep made it 100x worse. Me and Spamton probably would have had similar thoughts to each other. So sadly I would have related to him, mentally. Don't worry though, I'm doing a lot better now! But in the end it wasn't Friendship that saved me, it was just a little luck. My mental health got better not because of therapy, family or friends, but just because it all suddenly got better. No reason at all, it just got better somehow? My mental health improved out of nowhere. I wish Spamton was luckier. Today, I sometimes think about what would happen if I started getting unsuccessful and business went down. Would I just break again? Would I become like Spamton? Eh, honestly who knows, might as well enjoy myself now LOL.

[@dustinstage3192]

@@menolikeyou805 Good for you kid

[@ralsei3157]

Spamton is certainly gonna be one of the many five other wacky side characters in Deltarune, time will tell if he'll be usurped, but I still feel he's special when it comes to just the eerieness of him alone.

[@Brwigames]

Omg it's Ralsei

[@ralsei3157]

@@Brwigames Omg it's Gustavo Fring!! From Chiccen Brothers!

[@pancake3027]

omg ralsei! grind my bones.

[@TheFlyfly]

@@pancake3027 omg a pancake!! i really like pancake :)

[@pancake3027]

@@TheFlyfly damn im popular

[@anexistingperson8540]

I'm happy to see this video call to attention that Spamton actually cares about Kris, I haven't seen anyone else mention it.

[@JaruJaruJ]

My pleasure!

[@joshshrum2764]

He still uses him for his own gain kind of like flowey, but admittedly more noble since he just wanted to be himself again, and of course be a [BIG SHOT], but he wasn’t evil like flowey, before you get him too come to his senses as Asriel.

[@joshshrum2764]

He still uses him for his own gain kind of like flowey, but admittedly more noble since he just wanted to be himself again, and of course be a [BIG SHOT], but he wasn’t evil like flowey, before you get him too come to his senses as Asriel.

[@draw2death421]

​@@joshshrum2764well... He does say just like HIM, we TOO are 'desperate' so he allready was hinting that he was willing to do anything for his goal even betray us if need be.

[@habukichan]

I'd like to point out that spamton ain't dead It's like how Jevil morphs himself on the Jevilsknife, Spamton still has his mind attached to the glasses (dealmarker) or is a part of it in some way, and can most likely perform acts with the spirit of spamton as a glasses, like how the Jevilsknife smiles at Noelle. This is further proven by the fact that when you fill your [[INVENTORIUM]] with 48 [[Half Price Salami]], Spamton fucking yells at you for destroying that one moment where he regain sanity and is on a fucking character arc

[@meem6154]

Kris you son of a bitch, you have so much max inventory and you couldn’t fucking make room for me. YOU HAVE A BLACK HOLE OF SPACE KRIS, YOU CAN’T FILL UP A BLACK HOLE. I’LL BE IN THE CHEST OUTSIDE, BUT I WILL NEVER EVER FORGET THIS. (Translation of spamton’s dialogue after the fight, aka what he really wanted to say.)

[@FiSH-iSH]

mfw they fill 5heir inventorium with half price salamy just to keep me out (what the fifty percent off bro)

[@sebastianwatches7095]

@@FiSH-iSH yeah man, this a real [Hyperlink Blocked] moment

[@EvilAutisms]

I’d love to have him and Jevil talking to each other sometimes

[@thomascreegan6813]

DevilsKnife

[@nightwatch3889]

Just yesterday I was in deep thought over the character of Spamton. For the first time I truly grasped the disturbing eeriness of his character and backstory. In one moment, all my views of his ridiculous, broken humor-filled dialogue shifted from absurd comedy to the ramblings of a character with a broken mind, driven to insanity by hidden knowledge that still torments him. It took time, but on that day I believe I truly grasped Spamton, at last. The next day, this comes out. I couldn't be more excited to dive even deeper into the intrigue of Spamton.

[@JaruJaruJ]

Awesome! Yeah, Spamton is a very sad character that people often overlook as just a goofy little dude. I hope to showcase his tragedy here. x)

[@elver2218]

@@JaruJaruJ The paralel with adventure time reallt got me very true

[@Kjf365]

Lol my brain literally shut off whenever he spoke when I played. It may as well have been Amalgamate dialog in my perception. It was only when I watched let's plays that I realized he was actually saying real things that make sense. No idea why, I don't usually have problems understanding funky writing styles lol.

[@personexisting123]

Also, I think something interesting you can interpret about spamtons character is the puppetscarf description says “For those that abandon healing”

[@JaruJaruJ]

Oh no. That's so sad! ;-;

[@solarpunch333]

This is, by far, the best analysis of Spamton I have ever seen. I'm glad you talked about his perseverance/determination, and how he will always be destined to fail; really interesting points that people rarely bring up when talking about Spamton. I'm also happy you talked about how real his story is. As you said, he isn't an evil leader, or a demon from an alternate universe, he's just a guy. What happened to Spamton is something that happens to a lot of people. Whilst I was expecting you to touch on this a bit, I did not expect you to go into such great detail. I'm really glad you did, as I think it's one of the most important aspects of Spamton's character, and really is the peak of Toby Fox's writing When I heard you were making a video on Spamton, I was expecting some sort of complex, far fetched theory. I was expecting that you'd come up with insane theories that nobody has ever seen before, and again, I'm glad you didn't. Spamton's story is actually very simple: He was just an Addison who got famous, and later got that fame stripped away from him. Sure, it's complex in the sense that there are a lot of missing details, and that the story given to us is very vague, but overall it's a simple, realistic story. It's so realistic it's scary And of course, this incredibly unfortunate and tragic story comes from a character who's full name is 'Spamton G Spamton' and has the most poorly drawn shop art in the game. I can't wait to see what Toby Fox has in store for us next

[@JaruJaruJ]

You are far, far too kind! Thank you so much for the kind words and comment! It really means a lot to me. x)

[@justarealisticpotato1622]

@ SolarPunch33 I completely agree and I also hope for more theories talking about Deltarune from different people but I’ve never seen a KZbinr go into such detail and observation like Jaru does. Even if I don’t completely agree with Jaru on his theories, he always finds a way to explain his reasoning for why he thinks that way. I definitely look forward to more videos from him

[@pineappleudh6561]

This was incredible. I'm shocked that this has managed to make me appreciate Spamton as a character even more (and he was already probably in my top 3 favourite Deltarune characters) You hit everything I would want an analysis of Spamton to hit and more. Really exited to see what you have in store for the other parts.

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you! I'm very happy to hear that. x)

[@AmericanBurger99c]

ok honestly tho full review on 2d metroid doors is better

[@BastetMusic]

Having been homeless for years now, and having tried to fix that through trying to "make it big" myself, Spamton hit extremely close to home once I learned about the entirety of his story. It's sobering, having been on both sides of the fence now...

[@JaruJaruJ]

I'm so sorry to hear that. It's not fair what's happened to you. I promise, even though I might not make a difference for years, I WILL fix this crisis. If it's the one thing I accomplish in this life, I WILL find a way to end homelessness. I'll find a strategy that works. A safety net needs to exist, and I'll make sure it comes to be even if I have to build it myself. And if I can't end it myself, I'll at minimum set up a framework so that others can carry on my work. I'll be praying for you, for what that's worth. Again, I'm so sorry.

[@TheLarryDungeon]

Homie, bro, amigo, my man, bud. I hope nothing but the best for you, I have almost been homeless before. I have seen what being homeless is like and what it can do for you. Push onward and I hope you get the lucky pull you need

[@jungvxyy]

i can relate to you and spamton in a spiritual level, literally (except for the homeless part, but i am currently in a very similar situation like you and i hope for the best in your life)

[@KitKatHexe]

I and each of my siblings have been homeless at least once in our lives, and I have to say one thing: Do NOT give up hope. Hope is the one thing that can keep you going through your darkest hours. You don't need to "make it big" to be worthy of a decent life. You are worthy. And I'll hope _with_ you, every step of the way, that that life finds its way to you. Peace be with you friend.

[@lucashampton3486]

I've been homeless before too. It's a very crushing experience. I'll keep you in my prayers. Keep your head up, friend.

[@jaredcramsie182]

One thing that has stood out to me is that the phone in the back of Spamton's shop is always ringing. We know that Spamton left mid-conversation the last time he spoke to the person on the phone. So it's likely that they didn't abandon him after he left the mansion, they wanted to stay in contact but he declined answering. Knowing Spamton's themes it is probably because he didn't want to act as their puppet anymore.

[@JaruJaruJ]

True, true! That would make a lot of sense! Although, since that phone disappears when Spamton uploads himself to the EmptyDisc, it's also possible that the phone wasn't real, and much like the sunny background that also vanishes when he uploads himself, the phone may have just been an illusion he generated to remind himself of happier days. Still, interesting point!

[@Nexter-Lie]

@@JaruJaruJ although we see him use the phone in his fight, and at the end the bricky wall covers everything. I just interpreted that as when he was downloaded onto the emptydisk the wall and phone where also downloaded (as they also vanish with him.)

[@sebastianwatches7095]

i think its important to note that Spamton's depressed/sane dialogue is always in normal case and uncorrupted all-caps dialogue is shared between Spamton and Jevil, enforcing their connection, but Spamton's loss of caps at the end may show a change in heart, a change in mind

[@blazingtrs6348]

Jevil is always insane ever since he came across who is most likely Gaster. Spamton speaking clearly is his true, sane self showing up after years and years of madness and constantly fighting

[@Its_Versus]

The pacifist ending paints a very grim picture of Spamton, the other endings also never end well. Defeating Spamton NEO through violence makes him convinced the body is able to transform into an EX form, however, the body explodes shortly after. In the snowgrave route, Kris helps Spamton not only obtain the smooth taste of NEO, but also take back what he lost to some extent. He had taken over the mansion, and nobody was gonna stop him except his only friend, who had given him everything. Spamton has helped Kris on their quest to committing atrocities by giving the party hints, as well as the very powerful Thorn Ring. Kris/The player's betrayal forces him to attempt to stop Kris from sealing away his ideal world, only to be turned into a chunk of ice by Noelle. I think having him be the final unskippable boss of the route is very fitting. Very depressing all things considered

[@PrivateLZG]

Dang... That went scarily real, really fast. That part about real life society hit hard, man. Well, I live in Germany's countryside and don't really khow what it's like in the biggest cities here but everytime I go to some bigger cities for college or whatever I always struggle to think about the people "living" on the side of the streets. I'm not exactly the richest guy as some young adult trying to learn a job but I still try to do something by dropping a couple bucks but is that really helping those people? Idk... By the way hyped for the rest of this "Series" of yours, just don't crush, aight?

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you very much! I'm glad I was able to inspire some real emotions in people. If we all try to help those in need, we could make a big difference. I'll definitely attempt to organize such a mission later in my life. Regardless, thank you for the kind words and support. x)

[@thezestfall1st107]

My junior year of high school, I made very fast friends with a person who’s become one of my best friends. They were a senior at the time, and practically as soon as they legally could their parents kicked them out, with from what I know basically no support no planning, parents just wanted them gone. Luckily they have a very supportive friend group and partner, and were able to settle with them. Human compassion isn’t always given as it should, and we should always strive to compensate for what others don’t give.

[@JaruJaruJ]

A perfect example of the importance of compassion. Thank you for sharing. x)

[@adamandom]

It'd be even more tragic if Spamton recognised Kris was being enslaved by the player, and sought to free them from us by severing their connection to the soul - just not realising that it would kill Kris in the process.

[@theflyingspaget]

Like us cutting his strings?

[@literallywhy6162]

On the prediction of each secret boss having a different reaction to their lack of true freedom, I think we’ll see someone who is apathetic to it. It would be another extreme-my choices don’t matter, so I won’t make any. That could also be further split into two sides of the same perspective, with one being hopeless and empty, and the other being sort of zen.

[@freybrann]

One other approach that I think will be *very* prominent in a later chapter is a religious approach to this mentality. The themes of religion and gods are already very apparent to Deltarune, and many forms of religion contain the recurring philosophy of "god's plan / will", where the followers' actions truly do not matter because every major aspect of their life has been laid out, like a script for a movie. In the context of video game creation and the reoccuring theme of "your choices don't matter", I think Toby Fox's approach to this evangelical, hopeful, and depressing character will be super potent.

[@jewbearidk]

another stance that one could take from "your choies dont matter" is the flipside and trying to do everything all at once

[@eliptical7033]

We already have that character. It’s Sans. While not 100% aware he’s in a game. He’s aware that a entity has the power to reset timelines, start new ones, or completely stop them. He becomes depressed and is lazy because anything he tries to pursue can be set back to 0 in an instant.

[@zax246]

My choices don't matter... So i'll take your abilities to make them, so you can feel my despair. Which is fitting with next chapter direction. Imagine being a celebrity that can't choose what to do, forced to do what is expected of them, do same song and dance for years. And then you decide to overtake the studio over. Now you call the shots, now YOU are the director and everyone does what you say

[@pixelator5312]

the secret boss of my fan chapter is closer to jevil's end of the spectrum, using the knowledge that their choices don't matter to justify placing a curse on themselves in order to eventually get what they want

[@TheFlyfly]

this is definitely one of the best spamton analyses i will ever see. people often like to reduce spamton to just being a wacky salesman, but i think your analysis shows just how much of "A Nuanced Tragedy" spamton's story is. for a character that many people will never interact with outside of the first encounter, toby fox really put a lot of thought into spamton.

[@JaruJaruJ]

I'm glad you feel that way! Thank you for the comment and very kind words. x)

[@Le-cp9tr]

I feel that Spamton was always meant to be an allusion to Arthur Miller’s Death of a Salesman, given his role as a failed salesman constantly trying to make it big in the world with the existentialist themes that come with it and his association with phones. If you make another video on Spamton, I think it might be interesting to explore this connection and how it explores the existentialist themes of Deltarune

[@julesnar1175]

Something to further solidify the bond between Kris and Spamton - After Kris brought the disc, he completely believed that Kris is geniuenly trying to help him - he "uploaded" himself into the disc, ultimately getting rid of his previous body and becoming defensless. If Kris wanted, they could just stomp on the disc to break it, killing Spamton. Spamton must have truly trusted them to just straight up giving him the control over his body - especially given how important freedom is to him. There is so much in deltarune you can read into and I love it. Great video!

[@standardhuman8675]

hey jaru.... you good?? who am i kidding, of course you arent after this emotional trainwreck. but yeah, that societal neglect is why i always keep a box of granola bars and a case of water bottles in my car. nobody should have to be worried about the next time theyre gonna eat. if any of you out there can do the same, please do. aside from the horrifying reality check, this was an excellent analysis. not as goofy as i expected, but you pull off this tone well. keep up the good work (:

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you very much! And on behalf of all the people who need that support, thank you for showing kindness to them. If everyone was like you, things would be a lot better for these poor folks. God bless!

[@Issengan]

Personally i have a bunch of granola bars, maruchan ramen, and juice

[@jackiex2480]

These kinds of things are good individually, but no amount of individual giving solves the core problem: that our society does not protect its most vulnerable. Until we are willing, as a society, to genuinely and fully address inequality, there will always be someone who suffers so others can prosper. Spamton will always exist in our current social structure, and it's profoundly inhumane. We try to do our parts to give to people in need as well, but I can't fool myself into thinking it's actually helping lift them out of poverty. All I've got is a band aid, and I'll happily give that, but band aids don't fix hemorrhages.

[@standardhuman8675]

@Jackie X i literally started punching the air when i read this because finally someone else understands. until im able to overthrow the current capitalist system, this is gonna continue to be an issue, and no amount of granola is gonna stop it. theres always gonna be spamtons out there, and i hate that fact. but until the collective society decides to help, these little bandaids are the best we can do. im glad other people get it though, because a surprising amount of people i know seem to disagree that its a societal issue

[@jackiex2480]

​@@standardhuman8675 Making the issue into a personal fault is the greatest lie capitalism ever came up with imo. What better way for a system to self-sustain than simply create a reason it's not the system's fault, it's the individual who's down on their luck who is the real problem. It's even more perverse that we accept that lie and are okay with not just failing to support fellow people, but also with kicking them while they're down to justify why they're down and not you. Even though it could be you just as easily as them.

[@beep_the_foolish]

My favourite part of spamton is the shop music, despite how wacky and creepy he is, the music is melancholy. It's slow and haunting, it gives me the feeling of something lost and/or broken. It feels like it should be playing over those pictures of old, abandoned shopping centres in the liminal spaces compilations. Spamton isn't dangerous because he's powerful, because he's crazy or because he's got unique knowledge of the world; he's dangerous because he's desperate. He's so desperate for freedom that it's eroded his mind, his personality, and his morality. We obviously don't know what he was like before, maybe he's always been able and willing to hurt others, but I think the fact that he was playing by the rules for so long, not trying to cheat or swindle his way to the top, means that he was originally a decent person. If he didn't fall so hard, if someone had taken him in, given him food (do darkners need food to survive?) and shelter, maybe he'd just be bitter and depressed, but not desperate enough to encourage a mass murder just so he could use the distraction to sneak into Queen's mansion. Then again, I don't think that's the whole issue, figuring out what Spamton is trying to say is difficult but it seems he's trying to escape something greater than just poverty and societal neglect. He seems to believe that he's trapped on a much more fundamental level, and he recognises Kris as being in a similar situation. My theories are that Spamton is either trying to escape the Dark World, seeing it as a kind of prison or lesser world, and is trying to reach the Light World, which is where Lightners, who are apparently like Gods to the Darkners, reside. If the Darkners are really just meant to serve Lightners, then Spamton could see it as slavery that he needs to escape. Almost all of the other Darkners seem perfectly happy with the arrangement, or at least don't seem to think about it or care, so Spamton feels stuck in a world of happy slaves where he's the only one who wants out. If this is the case, it makes sense why Spamton doesn't seem to care about other Darkners, or even Lightners other than Kris that much. They're all blind and happily ignorant to the fundamental injustice of their existence, and trying to teach them otherwise makes them hate and ignore you. After a while, it makes sense that he'd eventually see them as barely alive, barely real. Encouraging Kris to manipulate his friend and slaughter Darkners is fine, Spamton and Kris are the only ones who 'get' it, who understand what things really are, and if everyone else refuses to see what's in front of them, then that's their fault. Alternatively, and perhaps more interestingly, Spamton could be aware of something much greater and far more terrifying than that. Something that entraps them all on a far more deeper and fundamental level. There are constant moments that give the impression that something is pulling the strings, something is making things happen for a reason and moving the world of Deltarune into a dark fate. There seems to be a constant undercurrent of impending doom. That the end is near and can't be avoided or stopped. We know about the Roaring, but that could theoretically be prevented. Things seem to be getting darker and darker, but exactly why is unknown. Obviously, Gaster, he's one possible reason. Gaster could be manipulating things behind the scenes to reach some goal, or to setup/continue an experiment. Maybe he's testing Kris (and us) and so appropriate obstacles need to be placed in our way to observe how we handle them. It would explain why Gaster would drive Jevil and Spamton insane, to provide a challenge for us to overcome. Maybe the theory that Deltarune's world was created by Gaster as an experiment is true, and driving it to ruin was always intended. Exactly what he would get from doing so is unknown and hard to figure out, but perhaps he's focusing on the Player. Clearly he is aware of the Player's unique power and influence on the world, and Deltarune is a safe way to study this strange entity and their capabilities without it affecting any other world. The Player as a outside force affecting the fictional world has been done before, but I think Deltarune is specifically calling attention to the strangeness and inherent horror of it. To the characters in Undertale and Deltarune, we are some invisible force, intelligent and sapient, that manipulates and controls aspects of their world that they can't understand. They don't truly comprehend what we are, or our motivations, or our actions. We know we're just some fat nerd playing a indie game about furries, but they only see the effects of our choices. Noelle doesn't know that Kris is being controlled by a person playing a video game, but she knows that a voice came from Kris that wasn't Kris's voice told her to keep killing and she could not disobey. I think Gaster is fascinated by the Player, and he clearly seems to know about us and how our control over the world works more than anyone else. While it could be purely out of scientific curiosity, it wouldn't be a stretch to suggest that our ability to insert ourselves into a world and inhabit it has special interest to Gaster, who may be struggling to accomplish exactly that. On the other hand, our ability to control the fate of a world and it's narrative is extremely powerful. The potential wouldn't be underestimated by someone as smart as Gaster, whether it's to allow him to save others from unavoidable fates, or to make himself into something greater than ever imagined. There are other things it could be, rather than just Gaster, but at the moment there's just not enough evidence. We still barely know anything about Gaster, whether he's got good intentions or not, his main goals, his personality, his true appearance. I'd say that most evidence seems to paint him in a bad light, I can't say that he's ever had a good impact on anything so far. Everything he does seems manipulative or so vague that any potential good is hard to find. His dialogue to us seems polite and respectful, but that wouldn't be hard to fake. If he is the one who spoke to Jevil and Spamton, then the fact they ended up insane, and seemingly abandoned in Spamton's case, makes him seem sinister and malicious. If Jevil was the only one driven insane, then I'd suggest that Gaster might have tried to explain how the world works out of good intentions, but the knowledge was too much and broke the mind of someone who couldn't handle it. Spamton seems deliberately abandoned, his rise seemed planned and his fall was either deliberate or caused by a massive lack of care about Spamton's wellbeing. It's really hard to justify Spamton's abandonment as something with good intentions, or an accident. If Gaster wasn't the one behind Jevil and Spamton, then that instantly makes everything SO much more complicated. We really don't have the evidence to explain it yet, the only option is crazy theories that really fall into absurdity. Wow I didn't think I'd type this much, I really got away from my original point. I was just gunna say that I liked how his shop music changed the tone of the scene from pure surreal comedy into a tragedy, and makes his creepiness shine through so much more due to the unsettling feeling.

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you for the extensive comment! And I agree that I think Spamton is afraid of something more fundamental and all-encompassing than just the Dark World. I'd recommend checking out my other videos, as I go very in-depth covering exactly who and what I think it is that is pulling the strings in this world. x)

[@sanscipher435]

I also want to point out that, after spamton got evicted, he was lucky enough to have clothes left, but even those clothes were his Swatch impersonating clothes. He didn't even have clothes to call his own. The iconic look that we all know and love spamton for _isn't even his_. One can make a case for his music too which has leitmotifs from other bosses, that too isn't fully his.

[@JaruJaruJ]

True!

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

A simple black suit isn't really swatch's And the deal maker likely came from somewhere else as evident with the face in the basement

[@painzilla7573]

the part where spamton is put down on the electric chair.. breathtakingly sad

[@JaruJaruJ]

Bruh, that woulda been less sad than his actual life. xD

[@Bobinsox]

Chapter 5 spoilers

[@blackninja1595]

He was put down??

[@lucasgibson2131]

I loved when when Spamton said “it’s spamin time” and spammed all those guys

[@ashes_to_ashes_dust_to_dust]

@@blackninja1595 he had rabies, sadly we had to put him down

[@thisisasupersayin376]

When the flavor text mentions "The Audience" it's an allegory for Spamton's changing perspective on relying on others. After phone man abandons him, he's desperately looking to anyone else he perceives as a loving supporter to keep his business afloat. "Spamton begs to the audience. Spamton prays to the audience." but now that he's not successful anymore, everyone is leaving and taking their support with them. "Spamton begs the audience to stop taking the furniture out of his room." It's only after this that Spamton realizes the truth. "There is no audience."

[@beheeyemite]

dude it makes me so happy all the little things about him you mentioned in this video that rattles around in my brain that most analysis/normal playthroughs miss. especially the friendship themes god his relationship w kris is so :( i love how you mentioned that he wasnt trying to hurt them in the first fight, that even as neo he wasnt trying to kill them in a way thatd cause them to cease to be. and also... i feel like spamtons ending in the neutral run (especially w the pacifist context) is so. like hes not living for himself anymore hes living for himself and his friends. so he can give up on goals of freedom to help kris whos got a better shot at it by becoming an item. man.

[@JaruJaruJ]

I'm glad you enjoyed! And yeah, Spamton is really, really sad. x(

[@KingBenzilla]

just reading the title of this one i know im gonna love it. I've always saw spamton as the most tragic and honestly the most relatable character in all of Deltarune. Probably my favourite videogame character of all time. Gonna watch this one while [soaking up the acid]

[@JaruJaruJ]

I hope you enjoy!

[@Snukkuri]

You know what, I like the assumption of Kris and Spamton actually being true friends. Even if it is a tragic relationship I honestly find it heartwarming I kind of want it to be my headcanon

[@_gremlinboy]

I fully gasped in delight when I realized how long this is, I haven't stopped thinking about spamton since chapter 2 came out

[@MaddieS659]

I will now exclusively concieve of the genocide route as a manifestation of the idea "what if the power of friendship were used for evil?"

[@JaruJaruJ]

Perfect! xD

[@pastadog5029]

VERY fond of your focus on the "the broad strokes of Spamton's story is a very normal and common thing in real life" angle. People get so caught up in the humor and charm of his more surface-level [QUALITY]s that the unrelenting, overwhelming tragedy of his story and its themes are often forgotten. I think Spamton's lack of friends is partly the result of coincidence, having not been given a very large amount of opportunities to make them, but I think it's mostly the result of his main character flaw: his one-mindedness. Despite his loneliness, and his apparent generosity and goodwill towards the friends he's had, Spamton does not seem to make any effort to befriend anyone who could not help his ultimate goal in some obvious tangible way. Every relationship of his that we're shown or told about (which is to say, Mike is still up in the air for my little theory) carries at least a subtext of being transactional. In every relationship, he's only ever buying or selling. Spamton only acts friendly to people who help him. People who can get him further along his chosen path. He only approaches people he wants something from, so it's fitting that once he's at the top that the world treats him the exact same way. At the end of the day, Spamton wants freedom. He wants to stand above everything, ascended to Heaven, unburdened by any limitations or obligations. Rich, powerful, unencumbered. Flying free, without strings. And I think, for the purpose of my little metaphor, that connections with others are ultimately just another type of string. One that, ultimately, at the end of it all, he would not hesitate to cut. Spamton's story is the tragedy of a society that sets people out on an impossible quest for an unattainable ideal, one that punishes their attempts to achieve it; it's the story of someone who truly believed in the [crap]italist [American] Dream and gave everything they had to achieve it. He was sold on a lie, and as a result of believing that lie he was doomed from the very beginning.

[@JaruJaruJ]

I'm glad you enjoyed my analysis! There's definitely a lot to appreciate about this sad, strange little man. x)

[@cornucopiaassortedfruits1618]

We have not seen what happens when a darkner actually obtains a human soul yet. What would have happened if Spamton completed this process? That would be an interesting theory.

[@TheYeetedMeat]

I feel like the dark fountain serves as a form of soul, BUT because those that don’t “fit” in certain dark worlds turn to stone, it can be assumed the will of the dark fountains is applied upon the darkners, so spamton could possibly be able to exist in the overworld with one.

[@flourrrr]

i have to say, this is the most touching video ive seen to date this whole video actually managed to make me cry. i dont usually cry anymore so if this manages to bring out just even a singular tear, it just goes to show how powerful this message is what i love about spamton is that his character is so real, hes just like you and me, a man, with a dream, who tried to make it big, but he was ALWAYS doomed to fail, this man. had the will and determination of a thousand suns, he tried tried and TRIED for anything to work, after years of pure torture, abandonment, neglect and wrath. he could never get anywhere. the thing is like you mentioned, he was never harmed, nor he was helped, everyone just watched him suffer. it was merely "just business" the theme with determination is that it can get you everywhere, notice how spamton DID indeed become a big shot with the person behind the phone, but he never found his true freedom, the power to choose his own fate, he couldn't set himself free but the real thing that made me cry was "the heartbreak of lonliness" section notice how he gets far, but the moments he actually gets places is with kris, their only friend. the part where you said they were most likley willing to sacrifice themselves for spamton's plan really got to me, cuz kris really wants to help spamton. what i love is that with the sheer compassion and empathy, they were able to almost reach what spamton calls "heaven" after everything hes been thru, kris managed to get him to the biggest place he could get, by sheer compassion. kris helped spamton when no one did, everyone just idly watched him rot, as he changed and morphed into a corpse that bearly represented himself anymore, just a husk of nothing. but with kris's help, he finally was able to be happy for once the phrase "nows your chance to be a big shot" holds so much meaning, because he after all the betrayal, he was still willing to help kris to be big, to reach heaven, he truly had good intent, after how much his mind was warped and dismembered from his hardships, he just wanted them to BOTH be free. and the aftermath of spamton neo REALLY shows how far the power of friendship can actually get you. you cant defy fate, but you can find your "freedom" the part where he accepts his demise, is one of the best things to happen to him, because kris *finally put him to rest* after everything hes been thru, hes been fighting a war that was predetermined, a war he could never win, but the moment kris helped him get big and "set him free" he stops. hes satisfied. because after all that, he finally found a friend, someone who could help him, relate to him, but mostly someone who was just _willing._ spamton, after everything that happened to him, was finally put to rest, not because he gave up, but because he was _satisfied_ satisfied that *someone was with him in the dark.* i could never find my favorite character in this game, but i think i have one now truly. thank you for this video, the effort, the metaphors, the meaning, everything. truly. thank you, just note that in your toughest times, we're with you in the dark.

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you very much!

[@manderic5436]

Currently mid video, just wanted to add a few notes to Spamton's first on screen appearance: It's vaguely hinted that Spamton was stalking Kris around Cyber City, similar to Flowey in Undertale. If true, the fact that Spamton seems to recognize our puppeteering 'immedately' after meeting Kris would make sense. The introduction dumpster ally was likely a split second decision because Kris was alone for the first time since catching up with Noelle. On the more speculative side, it does seem like Spamton has a metagame awareness like sans and Ralsai, but the only clear hint at this capability is that Spamton pops out of the dumpster not specifically because Kris is passing by, but because he senses our ingame view hovering over the dumpster. However, that doesn't mean he has metagame understanding. He could have just noticed our presence overlooking Kris all the time and concluded that it's the view of the puppeteer.

[@alexis_electronic]

Metagame understanding? Like sight above? Maybe not. But metagame awareness? Definitely, for sure, oh yeah. He knows not only of the Knight, but certainly of WDG. And, also, of the character trapped in the game - the one who he, "didn't hear," but knew they were talking to us, who has been in the game's debug code since Chapter One. ... and what does he think Heaven is? "The Light World"? I don't think so, as he refers to us as "LigHtnErs

[@t.k.5088]

"[Spamton] started out believing he was a real man with real agency, but as his life went on, he started to realize that his freedom wasn't as real as he had thought." Extremely and unfortunately relatable. Except I didn't go mad pursuing freedom, just depressed 😂

[@JaruJaruJ]

Sorry to hear. Good news is, there'll probably be a secret boss in a future chapter who represents the depressed/apathetic response to their choices not mattering, so at least you'll get representation in a Toby Fox game! xD But seriously, I hope things go better for you.

[@t.k.5088]

@@JaruJaruJ lmao thanks! I'm looking forward to see how Toby will handle that. For now I've kinda felt like Sans' nihilistic attitude somewhat represents me 💀 we'll see what/ who else the annoying dog has in store for us

[@omegadragons321]

dont give up!! freedom is inevitable!

[@reformedorthodoxmunmanquara]

I knew Spamton was tragic but this video really made me realize it's more tragic than I initially thought. I have a newfound appreciation for the funny salesman

[@JaruJaruJ]

Perfect. I'm glad to hear. x)

[@tepig2828]

Your videos make me realize how much I have been sleeping on Kris’ character. I now can say that Kris is what I consider one of the most interesting Deltarune characters.

[@JaruJaruJ]

That's awesome! Always really happy to hear I've helped people appreciate this amazing game. x)

[@StormyDeltarune]

I get what your saying about Spamton and nobody being at fault but I still feel the Addisons are partially to blame. Sure you don't have to be freinds with everyone but they were freinds with him and left him behind out of jealousy. They know he lives in a dump and he isn't just a random stranger to them and yet they won't even try to help him out by simply being a freind. I don't know what it's like to be in the position of the addisons but they didn't do a single thing to help him. Also btw, there's no reason to believe Gaster didn't cause Spamton's insanity on purpose so if he did then he is absolutely the villain.

[@zixvirzjghamn737]

Can’t prove he didn’t is just as strong as can’t prove he did

[@birb2330]

in Undertale as in Deltarune there is no "villain" everyone is partly good and partly bad, only has different ideas, dreams and ambitions, often contrary to other heroes.

[@l.o.x.2780]

Holy moly, a one and half hour video from Jaru! This day can't be more perfect

[@foofgam220]

The very end of his story was ACTUALLY kind of tear-jerking. This was incredibly well done, and I can't wait for more of these kinds of videos. Great job.

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you! :D

[@potatoboy6094]

I want to give him a hug, poor guy. At least he had a friend in the end

[@TheXell]

Man, it's so great to relax after a week of work with a nice cold drink and some good food. It couldn't possibly get any bett- *3J uploads* LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@JaruJaruJ]

xD

[@QueenofWaifus]

I walked in expecting memes. I came out with tears and a whole new perspective on people down on their luck. This is a masterpiece of a video 💕

[@SiminaInest]

I would like to pick up this line from my another most favorite game to sums up Spamton's life arc. “Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects.” Atlease Kris is the last one who show him sympathy, no matter how Spamton try to do any ludicrous plan again and again.

[@gaymedievaldruid]

Brb gotta go write an au where Kris accepts spamtons soul deal and helps him heal mentally. Did I hear anyone say platonic intimacy?

[@PhantomGato-v-]

How did it go?

[@gaymedievaldruid]

@@PhantomGato-v- struggling a bit with the canon that Kris can live without the soul... If they were to give the soul to Spamton, all that would happen is Kris would probably due a bit later, and then the player would control Spamton, so he'd still be a puppet. But I'm working on it! Great thing about video games is they can't tell you what the truth is... Sometimes you need to ignore the obvious interpretation to get your happy ending

[@moshimeshowu747]

I know I already made a comment a week ago about this, but I was thinking about your analysis of spamton again. So much of the time on KZbin, an "analysis" video is basically a plot summary with the creators opinions thrown in to make it feel like the creator is analyzing something. The fact that you first summarize the plot, but then go so *deep* into what makes his character so impactful makes me think you are genuinely one of the best analysis channels on KZbin, you actually analyze stuff thoroughly and that makes all the difference, keep up the *fantastic* work

[@jackatk]

2:47 Spamton used to look normal. He had a red jacket, as seen in the merch. Then it’s implied he shrunk in the acid in Queen’s mansion, and then started cosplaying as Swatch to become popular again

[@mr.monkey354]

He was cosplaying as swatch to get his hands on neo. Swatch himself says this

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

@@mr.monkey354 personally I believe it's a cover up, the face in the basement (which is absolutely not spamton) has the same eyes as spamton's glasses which would imply their origins are from else where, and swatch even sells spamton's stuff, so I think swatch actually took spamton's style and covered it up with a lie about impersonation

[@PhantomGato-v-]

@@TheRealSuperKirby that... Is very, very interesting.

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

@@PhantomGato-v- my cover up theory has been confirmed by the spamton Q&A (now I'll be honest it was kinda hard to understand) but he said swatch stole something from his friend so yeah

[@dakota6050]

I have a mini theory that I cant directly back up but makes sense to me: The person on the phone IS mike, but mike isnt some tv menace, hes someone who manipulated a friend into doing illegal business to his own benefit. I think that spamton fell off because he was doing illegal things but was able to bail and live in the dumpsters. This is very low level but I feel like it could fit somewhere

[@disturbedpictures12]

The desperation of spamton is also another good character analysis on him

[@disturbedpictures12]

Spamton was shortened by the battery acid btw (just in case)

[@ShootAsword]

I can tell, you’re the type of kid to get a 115% in English, when the teacher originally says no extra credit

[@willieshark]

A thought that popped up when I was watching was with the whole concept of "You literally cannot win unless you have the aid of friends", might serve a huge purpose in future chapters. While Kris had little to no friends in the beginning, after chapter two, they gained so many friends after their adventures. If Kris never became friends with Susie and Ralsei, the player might as well been under their control for the rest of their life. Now that they do, they have the chance of freedom. On the other hand, who doesn't have any friends in this world...? You don't. No one knows of your existence except only for Kris. And most certainly, Kris doesn't see you as a friend. Also, unfortunately, Susie and Ralsei are most likely not going to be very friendly of you after learning what you have been doing with Kris. At the end of this story, unless you somehow make yourself present without malice, everyone is going to have a happy ending.... except for you, the interloper of this world.

[@Barakon]

Your choices don’t matter, at last given context. Or was it?

[@ralsei3157]

Well by that logic that would mean, how dare I, play this game, how dare we the Player, buy the rest of the game to help Kris get their friends in the first place?

[@willieshark]

@@ralsei3157 Same reason why people played the genocide route. We're so curious to see the end of this story. We will never give up even if there is absolutely no benefit to persevering whatsoever. Like Sans said, we will keep going, not for any desire for good or evil, but because we think we can. And because we can, we "have to".

[@ralsei3157]

@@willieshark very good! I guess I just had to wrap it all around myself for a bit, I was confused about what was theorized in the vid.

[@Atellas]

Babe, wake up, Jaru uploaded a new video

[@Thiniff]

🗿

[@coldcalzone7071]

another day another Jaru banger.

[@plantmom1587]

I’ve recently discovered your channel and I really, really liked your videos. Hour long videos have always been my thing, but the way you explain characters and your theories are just amazing! You also seem like a very kind person! Sending love from Brazil🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you so much! I'm glad you've enjoyed! x)

[@hannahbrown5465]

I don’t know how long the patreon has been open but I just now noticed, I’m so glad bc your deltarune videos are the best and I can tell how much effort goes in

[@JaruJaruJ]

It's a pretty new addition. This is actually the first video I've made since opening my Patreon! Even the support I've received thus far is already very meaningful to me, so I'm very happy. x)

[@skeletonlover3214]

You're a true (BIG SHOT) for making these super long videos just for us. Thank you!

[@alzhanvoid]

2:52 Right off the bat, I will say this was not how he originally looked. Acid shrinks, after all. 25:07 Masterful story telling on that whole section. I actually teared up a little when Spamton gave up, and I knew the whole story already! Well done. 42:18 This is the point where I disagree. While Spamton becoming destitute and living poorly has no true villain to blame. *_Throwing a homeless, mentally ill man into an acid river, listening to his screams, begging for it to stop burning, as he slowly shrinks and deforms is incredibly cruel,_* even if he was attempting to break in. A prison would have been a much more humane and understandable punishment for trespassing. The fact that this was approved or even commanded by the Queen, and that Swatch seems to carry no particular regret for that event, is clearly inexcusable behaviour. This is worsened by the fact that it is very likely that they literally tried to do the exact same thing to Rouxls Kaard, as said by yours truly, Swatch. (Look below in the replies, I'm not requoting it) Still I agree with the rest of your point, societal neglect clearly seems to be central point Toby is trying to make, just needed to point that out, some are MUCH more to blame than others. 47:07 And so, Jaru called out the entire world for their hypocrisy and willful ignorance... including himself. 59:28 Heh, guess it explains why Kris needs Noelle's help to finish off Spamton even in the solo Snowgrave battle. 98% done through determination alone, need that push to finish them off. (This comment will be edited if this point is acknowledged in the remainder of the video, worry not Jaru) EDIT: The video has ended, it has not been acknowledged here, as such I won't remove any of these points. Probably the final revision.

[@popatochisps1198]

Where in the game does it say Spamton was thrown into the acid pool?

[@alzhanvoid]

@@popatochisps1198 Ah I'm glad you asked. People sometimes ask me this same question, so I should have a comment stored somewhere explaining this... aha! Here it is: Queen Dialogue: Ralsei: How would anybody benefit from this? (Referring to small villas during swan ride segment) Queen: Shrink From The Acid Spamton Dialogue: I USED TO BE NOTHING BUT THE E_MAIL GUY, NOW I'M THE [It burns! Ow! Stop! Help me! It burns!]] GUY! VACATIONING IN [Burning Acid] WHILE YOU SOAK IN THE [Hyperlink Blocked] Addisons dialogue: He was... like the rest of us. (Note the height difference between regular Addison and Spamton) Swatch dialogue: What a pity... to think he was once a valuable customer. (Referring to Spamton) I am afraid that person... has now been banned from this establishment. And may have suffered injuries as a result of his err.... rather swift ejection. (Referring to Rouxls Kaard) Rouxls Kaard: _Found in the acid battery lake_

[@JaruJaruJ]

I had never heard the Acid-Melted-Spamton theory before! Very interesting! Just further adds to his tragedy, if it's true. Very cool comment and thank you for the very kind words!

[@alzhanvoid]

@@JaruJaruJ I feel like it is almost certain it is a fact, and not a theory. There is just _too much_ evidence in favour of it, with several characters corroborating to this event. Check my reply above with that evidence displayed.

[@helentriantafillou6352]

After being shrunk by the acid spamton seems to develop an obsession with becoming big. Not big as in a big shot, but big enough to wield physical power so that he can truly be free. Presumably spamton would be competing with Queen for power and her final form is the massive giga Queen. After becoming spamton neo he also remarks about how he is still not big enough to see past the darkness. Perhaps after being shrunk by the acid spamton forms an association of size with power because as spamton was being shrunk by the acid he was losing all success he had.

[@koko-hh2bq]

Friendship is a pretty underrated literary tool - or rather, it's very misused in alot of media. Toby uses it very beautifully in both Undertale and Deltarune.

[@bluekel615]

Can we just appreciate this man for putting self made subtitles in hour long videos?

[@jargontrueseer]

The art cretique segment at the end is like therepy for years of art school and posting online 🥺

[@JaruJaruJ]

I'm glad you enjoyed! x)

[@PleaseLeaveMeAlonee]

I do not have any add or some theory to write here, I'm sure there are already enough comments writing about that. The only thing I'm here to write is a thank you:) I've watched lots of other videos about Spamtom G. Spamton already and they've all portrayed the man so... unrealistic for him. I'm very very glad you managed to get his character correctly and explained how bad his unlucky life just is. So thank you so so much for making this video and i bid you a lovely day^^

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you so much! I’m very happy to hear you enjoyed. You have a wonderful day as well! x)

[@meliodas8409]

I know this is an old video, but I just wanted to let you know that your speech about how real Spamton's story is and the social problems we face, instead of making me sad, gave me motivation. I feel motivated to resolve my own issues quickly so I can start helping others. Thanks for the video.

[@JaruJaruJ]

That's incredible! I'm very happy to hear that. I wish you the best of luck in your pursuits!

[@naahwhat]

You don't understand, i watched every single video about deltarune that you made I'm addicted fr Doesn't matter how long they are, they always catch my attention usually i put them in background when i draw but then i stop drawing to listen at it better for how interesting it is if you know what i mean This new video is also in fact a blessing because since i finished them all i ran out of drawing background sound to put😎👍

[@JaruJaruJ]

I'm flattered to hear that! Thank you for the very kind support. x)

[@oodlesofdoodles7281]

I literally did like the exact same thing xD

[@chara9535]

Elloo

[@chiconpeach]

Not me tearing up at a spamton analysis video 😭 But for real, wow. Toby is a twisted genius, and your analysis is really really great

[@JaruJaruJ]

Wow, thank you! :D

[@RemnantCult]

I'm double dipping on comments, but really great main route analysis of Spamton, Jaru. Can't wait to see what else you have to say.

[@maxmanly3122]

Not gonna lie, laughed when you said the reason you felt those themes of Spamton is because you... care so much about people. Really sounded like a setup for "i also have been kicked out" or "because I also am a homeless person"

[@JaruJaruJ]

Not the best part of my script, I'll admit. xD

[@tobysinbad]

I thought this and also found it funny though having been homeless, I am glad you just care bc you care. there aren’t points for suffering

[@countlessofvoids]

I like how you just hinted at Gaster instead of going "It was Gaster all along!!" It gets tiring sometimes when almost every Deltarune theory videos' conclusions are something about Gaster. Keep up the great work man!

[@JaruJaruJ]

My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed! x)

[@uraynuke]

I found this to be an amazing analysis on Spamton's character! though, I found it a bit lacking in terms of what kind of freedom that Spamton was trying to get at, same with Jevil. Darkners are beings made out objects, who don't seem to know that facet of their existence, and knowing about such things would likely drive someone mad as they try to escape this realm that they're trapped in. it has a lot of parallels to how Monsters in UNDERTALE were seeking freedom from the underground, and they only achieved this by ceasing the war on humanity and start to understand each other... meanwhile, in Deltarune, as King puts it: "Your very existence goes against our own". Darkners are made from Lightner's stuff, but as it's going right now, it seems that their very existence was made to not be one that was fair or mutual, but rather one that is put in favor of the Lightners who can just completely ignore the Darkner's struggle and live their lives normally! all the while Darkners are *dependent* on Lightners. if I were to say that there was an essential aspect of this that you failed to mention, it is Ralsei's dismissal of the entire event. as you said in the video, we turn a blind eye to people in need and just say: "That was just a homeless person, it's not my responsibility to care." which was very similar to Ralsei's "he was just a corrupted program". there seems to be many of these Darkners who become aware of their existence, go mad and then are just forgotten. now, to get into THE MEATY STUFF: I believe that Ralsei is one of the people who this theme of freedom is referring to, as he seems to know a fair bit on how Darkners truly work. while Jevil has gone insane and come to the conclusion that nothing he does matters and thus "I CAN DO ANYTHING!", then Ralsei would be one that has come to the conclusion that nothing he does matters and thus "I'll just obey." rather than coming to the conclusion that nothing he does matters and trying to search for that freedom like Spamton, Ralsei is simply *complacent* with his nature and thinks of Darkners as objects to serve Lightners. I will spare you the rest of my thoughts, but if I were to guess at a new character with this sort of theme, I would go with one that is nihilistic, one that doesn't think anything they do matters and they might as well not do anything. either way, that was what I wanted to say.

[@JaruJaruJ]

The actual meat and potatoes of what kind of "Freedom" it is that they want is a bit too far into theory-crafting territory, and since this video was just meant to be a narrative analysis, not a theory-crafting one, I side-stepped any questions like that for the time being. I'll definitely tackle that in future Spamton videos though! That much is for sure. Thank you for the kind words and comment. x)

[@TheFlyfly]

i also think ralsei might be one of the freedom people. with his knowledge of the legend, the roaring and deltarune's game mechanics (aka possibly knowing that he lives in a video game), i wouldn't be surprised if he also knew about the futility of his actions. i think ralsei wanting to be kind to everyone is his reaction to knowing that his choices dont matter; he started caring more about the journey rather than the end result

[@uraynuke]

@@TheFlyfly no UNDERTALE character knows they're in a video game, I wouldn't think this would suddenly change in Deltarune

[@pepperwithlegs5979]

At the end of ur comment. Wouldn’t that be sans? Spamton:found out he has no freedom and went insane trying to get it. Jevil:found out he has no freedom and went insane over it but decides that if he has no real choice why not do whatever you want and he freed himself from his morals. And sans:found out he has no freedom but instead of going insane he more goes into a depression and is just like “if nothing I do matters then why really put any effort into anything when it can be gone in a instant”.

[@uraynuke]

@@pepperwithlegs5979 the difference between UNDERTALE's situation and Deltarune's situation is that Sans' entire existence isn't inherently made to serve another species. knowing the true nature of being a Darkner and knowing timeline stuff isn't the same thing at all!

[@ordoor]

Let’s go! Time to see what wackiness Jaru can provide for us this time.

[@JaruJaruJ]

I'm a bit short on wackiness today. Would Spamton-induced sadness work instead? xD

[@skeletonwarlock5741]

@@JaruJaruJ I am sad now thanks (this ain't sarcasm this is honest) I learned a lot

[@JaruJaruJ]

@@skeletonwarlock5741 Sorry you're sad. Glad you learned though! x)

[@skeletonwarlock5741]

@@JaruJaruJ btw love your theory's even if they are sometimes a bit wild sometimes but hey you theorise about toby foxes games so that would be the case lol enjoy existence

[@jahmocha9542]

I dare anyone to watch this video and not want to hug Spamton at the end of it all. It's impossible. I really hope the secret bosses get to "wake up" from their item state by the end of the game, I need to see them one more time before the ending and say goodbye 😭

[@gary1086]

I i i i usually dont feel much emotions, but i think I am feeling something

[@dianacraft_gaming]

Same

[@DyxoXinoro]

"I'm gonna be splitting this video into parts. Today is Part 1." He says, at the beginning of an hour and a half long video.

[@pineappleudh6561]

This ought to be interesting, I've been hoping to see a spamton analysis for a while now.

[@felledoesYTiguess]

OK TELL ME WHY THIS ALMOST MADE ME CRY

[@JaruJaruJ]

xD

[@dreamcity7514]

why is this man on the internet making me cry so many times talking about a robot cartoon character

[@JaruJaruJ]

xD

[@dogthedog1338]

Commenting for engagement! The video is insanely good , you've managed to show so many aspects of Spamton's character and his story. Thank you for this amazing video:)

[@JaruJaruJ]

My pleasure! Thank you for the kind words and support! :D

[@samala2931]

1:08:02 - 1:08:47 just bookmarking this for myself bc I'm a sucker for discussion of how Spamton could have been an uncle figure to Kris. If only he, yknow... wasn't fixated on the whole Heaven thing. And in turn didn't attempt to game over the kid. Also, excellent video, can't really say much besides all the praise every other comment has already worded beautifully.

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you! x)

[@sharpeningtheaxe]

I love when you show and talk about the fan art so much, and you giving a content warning for one of them made me cry because it shows how much you care about making your videos a safe and comfy place for everyone. Your videos make me so happy and I appreciate so much how accessible you make them to me and to everyone else.

[@JaruJaruJ]

I'm glad you enjoyed! While the nature of my theories is rather dark, and thus invites rather dark fanart, I do try to discern what might be too dark or gruesome for the average viewer and forewarn them. I doubt I'll always be successful, but I'm glad me putting in the effort at least made you happy. x)

[@atuliyengar9638]

i love how accurate this is to the real world we have to give toby big credit for this. i'm going to do some theorycrafting on jaru's next episode, which he mentioned is all possible meanings of [[Hyperlink Blocked]], which might involve the song-of-life located in the files of the game (also known as [[BIG SHOT]]), if not having a seperate theory dissecting that by itself. how i think it's going to play out? i can never tell. jaru is an unpredictable force.

[@VellarVT]

I live in New York, and to be honest, for here at least, other beggars are also at fault for why homeless people that legitimately just want help don't get it. Because there are beggars that lie (as in the beggars that are scamming people and don't want money because they need it, but rather just for a free handout, and refuse food people offer them), steal, and threaten people or attack people that legitimately do want to help. And there are shelters with room available to people that actually do want help, but many homeless people know that some other homeless people are violent, so refuse to live in the same place as them, even in the current climate where they're not actually any safer living on the streets than living in a shelter, as there are just as many people that may kill them for no reason there, as people that may attack them in homeless shelters. (For example there's been so many stabbing incidents here this year without any motive as to why they targeted the particular person, just they happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time). Of course that doesn't apply to every state, but It's a cruel cycle started by people that don't need help scamming people for money. I believe many people would be more willing to give money if they knew it would actually go the the right place, and not result in their own demise, from giving it to the wrong person who will stab them to death immediately after, or waste the money on something they don't need.

[@whim165]

Great video. A character to Spamton is so cool because of the themes, and this did not disappoint. I wonder if Spamton haven't actually truly give up, since Spamton projects a lot of himself in Kris, and after failing to, well, be [Big Shot], chose to follow Kris and make them achieve freedom, like if he can't win he will persevere now for Kris. Perhaps like a friend. This to me would be interesting, specially since Darkners are said to find meaning in the Lighteners Also, I wonder if Spamton didn't already know that Kris would be there. He had time to plan and met Kris while alone, even in Snowgrave he don't seems surprised. But I could be mistaken or forgot something

[@FlareBlitzBanana]

Something I noticed while watching this video is that Spamton's plan of power absorption happens, but in reverse from his intention. When you defeat Jevil, you're given some of his equipment. But when you defeat Spamton, he BECOMES equipment for you to use. He wanted to absorb Kris' power but was content with letting the reverse happen because that still gives him and Kris a shot at freedom. He's visibly disappointed that his plan didn't work out, but I don't think that means he's given up hope. I think he believes that Kris is more capable than him. Since Spamton believes him and Kris are friends, it makes sense that he trusts Kris with his power. I think that if you beat Spamton NEO in chapter 2, he may pop up again in future chapters since he's now part of your inventory. After all, Lancer did the same, so why not him too?

[@TheFlyfly]

slight correction 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓: the devilsknife is jevil and you get the devilsknife if you defeat him by attacking. we can visibly see him transforming into it (or becoming the devilsknife through "metamorphosis", in his own words), which is how we know it's jevil.

[@FlareBlitzBanana]

@@TheFlyfly We see him turn into it during battle, but when it’s given to you, he flies up and drops it. So it’s not 100% confirmed that the knife you’re given is the same one he uses in battle. Plus, the tail isn’t implied to be him at all. Jevil seems content living in his cell, so it wouldn’t make a lot of sense for him to join you.

[@purpleshutin]

That last bit at the end made me tear up, and I really want to write something about the two of them growing a really close friendship. My heart hurts, thank you/gen

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you for the kind words! I'm glad my video was able to stir emotions. x)

[@jacquelinezecher3279]

This is by far the best, most thought provoking and emotive video I've seen in a long time. Absolutely stellar! Can't wait to see your future analyses!! :D

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you!

[@thesardonicrenegade]

It's heavily implied that Spamton used to be the same size as the other Addisons, but after one failed attempt to break into the basement, whether it was accidental or on purpose, Queen knocked Spamton into the acid river, since she has a line that mentions the Acid making you shrink, and Spamton on multiple occassions talks about burning acid.

[@awesomeguy_2323]

This video is going to be a real treat! Thank you for working so hard to make these videos!

[@Paledoptera]

your videos have such an incredible amount of effort put into them goddamn

[@opiomin]

i have never met someone so thankful as you are for fan content. i am an artist myself and it brings me joy every time you complement an artist. you never skip anyone, you give everyone attention and love... i truly appreciate you. even if its not my art i still feel warm inside knowing someone gives their time to spread love and creativity. keep it up

[@JaruJaruJ]

It's absolutely my pleasure! Getting honored by artists like this is a blessing far beyond anything I deserve, and showing some love to them for that is the least I can do. x)

[@張謙-n3l]

BTW, Spamton's success of being a salesman also relies on the aid of others. He is always determined to achieve his goal, but he has never success until he received the help from the unknown man he called or called him.

[@tylluanfathomless1628]

after this i am never gonna unequip the deal maker from kris again

[@rompevuevitos222]

The community is not ready for the rest of the chapters. Seriously, we are like 2 years in and we still haven't finished analyzing this chapter

[@birb2330]

We'll be Analyzing every chapter forever and Toby doesn't have to rush , by the way, the closer to the end of the plot, the more we will be able to learn about the final plot of Deltarune.

[@rompevuevitos222]

@@birb2330 I tought that too, that with more info, there will be less to upturn But i doubt it, Toby hides too many secrets and those also combines with other secrets to bring even more possible conclussions. We will spend less time trying to predict but we will spend more time figuring out what everything means

[@antoneeee9284]

Counter point to the argument that every Undertale character achieving freedom: Asriel never achieves freedom; he never gets a "good ending" like what all the other Undertale characters get to achieve. even in the true pacifist ending, Asriel doesn't get the freedom he desires.

[@JaruJaruJ]

True. But he also never has any friends. He had the determination, but not the support. Of course, that’s due to him struggling to feel emotions and connect with others, but still, he failed to live up to the Toby Fox ethos. xD

[@neko8431]

The social neglect talk rlly hits home, cuz my family has always been struggling with financial isuses. But even tho that was the case we tried our best to be on still help people and be on the giving and donating side as much as we can. World can truly suck for some ppl and as much as the world can blame those problems on the goverment or on the actual people who struggle because they didnt "try hard enough", some ppl just cant be a big shot no matter how hard they try :(

[@JaruJaruJ]

I'm really sorry to hear that Neko. Remember to stay strong! Determination can carry you a long way so long as you don't give up hope! I pray things get easier for you.

[@neko8431]

Thank you, i really appreciate it! You basically became my favorite youtuber with the amount of quality you put into your videos so you responding to my ramble really made my day lol

[@JaruJaruJ]

@@neko8431 It's the least I can do. Thank you for watching my stuff. x)

[@nightshards1028]

Your videos are amazing, and they just keep getting better. I've always felt that Spamton as a character was super relatable because he could be ANY of us. All it would take is an insane run of bad luck. Having people in your life to support you really can be the thing that holds madness off. The fact that you take a character like Spamton and take a deep, in-depth look at his themes and why he hits home more than a lot of previously more popular undertale/deltarune characters is great. Its way more refreshing than other videos that basically say "spamton is crazy dumpster guy that want machine body." You're one of my favorite KZbinrs and you just continue to improve. Thank you so much for your content, and I look forward to future videos.

[@JaruJaruJ]

Thank you very much! I’m glad to see that folks can enjoy my content even when it’s not theorycrafting oriented. Thank you for the kind words and support! It means a lot to me. x)

[@daemy2170]

I remember once I talked to some guys about determination and if Frisk alone was the only one responsible for everything that happened at UT, honestly, it didn't make sense to me that Frisk alone was capable of everything, I did know of their power, but I felt there was something more and you gave me the answer I was looking for

[@birb2330]

consider why Frisk is able to cross the barrier without Asgore's soul, and Toriel Soul, since It takes a Monster + Human soul to cross the barrier, then remember what Flowey said about Char Reincarnation, and you will understand the simple logic of Frisk , it's banal and scary at the same time, it is simpler than in Deltarune.

[@supersillystuffs]

You’re gonna become like those out of context MatPat clips. “The real reason Spamton is so unnerving is because Spamton…is real.”

[@MisterLambda]

24:48 The narration and buildup of this scene is so very powerful Jaru, but I can’t help but to remember that after all the hardships and trauma - being so utterly spent and defeated, that in a moment of lucidity, he offers his last remaining life-force to aid in the restoration to his possibly only true friend’s freedom- Only to be hit by the sheer display of absolute audacity by Kris who has nothing in his forty eight slot inventory but glow-wrists.

[@alzhanvoid]

Kris: ... I never sympathized with you. I was just bored and wanted to see what would happen.

[@JaruJaruJ]

XD