Demon's Souls Dissected #2 - Sixaxis Motion Gestures

[@CallN0w]

ok nevermind the rest of the video what is the PAD MAN menu for

[@illusorywall]

Sadly, it's a more-boring rabbit hole than the sixaxis display! There are three different menus for showing which buttons are currently being pressed; There's nothing like options or things to change or toggle in there unfortunately. Here are some screenshots with further explanation- imgur.com/a/qtsTe4E

[@CallN0w]

@@illusorywall Aw. I was only joking around because it sounds like a weird superhero, but thank you for the explanation nonetheless!

[@illusorywall]

@@CallN0w lol. I was considering saying it's the secret final boss, "Pad Man"! Should've stuck with that explanation then. :)

[@JohnSmith-fq3rg]

Or a supervillian, The Tampon Terror: Pad Man

[@ascung]

"If it seems simple it's because it is" By the way, don't forget to memorise these arcane sigils and make doubly sure the ritual site has the correct architecture

[@ObsessiveBadguy]

Ill never forget the time when i was playing a fresh character on DS3, and after progressing Greirat's quest to the point where hes curled up and lamenting the death of his lover, i managed to activate the point down gesture while pressing X to skip his dialogue.

[@d3vitron779]

Bruh...

[@fatfuck2384]

Pretty based

[@3EyedGemini]

I ban him

[@Piemanding]

That is not his lover, but his mother.

[@mirrorblade6268]

Maybe she owned him money. The canned estus soup venture didnt succeed.

[@heyguys2002]

Me: Shakes controller out of frustration Character in game: *Starts and skips gestures*

[@leyrua]

You shake your controller in frustration and your character has a seizure. 😂

[@holyhex6520]

Pretty much, it doesn't work well

[@vansdan.]

>if it seems simple, it's because it is! >goes into an hour long explanation on how to use it properly

[@Betsujin]

Usefulness of this video can compete with Limit Breakers. And I love it.

[@Taktwo2]

collab when

[@davidepastore5600]

This is peak useless data, and I love it

[@Betsujin]

@@ramrodbldm9876 Now, this is the type of comments wich will bring smile.

[@beneathsands]

God, DeS looks so nice upscaled!

[@illusorywall]

This is my first 4k video, but I don't even own a 4k monitor yet to be able to see the benefits fully! :p

cries in 480p KZbin mobile...

[@Sandderad]

@ 480 is enough for a phone screen...

[@agoodjoe6910]

@@Sandderad no, just. No. Not KZbin anyways. Think about bitrate...

[@kattn01]

Looked so good I thought I was playing Dark Souls III for a moment. (1440p screen with youtube at 4k for bitrate)

[@sanfransiscon]

This was something that took me forever to realize was in Demons Souls. I remember wondering why every now and then my character would do a gesture if I suddenly stoop up or moved around with the controller. As vestigial as a lot of motion control features are, I appreciate how the temporary craze around them also allowed the technology to find its faults and improve, rather than its experimental nature being shut down from the start and never explored.

[@GMHX77]

Loving the demonssouls vids

[@x54xHantamachine]

This brings me back to my days working with the ps4 dev kit and trying to make sense of how the values from the sixaxis are recorded/displayed. Modified one of the physics demos that come with the devkit into a game of jenga. Vid is technically on my channel, but unlisted for NDA reasons. Fun fact, that duck from that ps3 e3 demo is used in many of the demos on the ps4 dev kit. Seeing it immediately brought me a great wave of nostalgia.

[@illusorywall]

Woah that's really cool.

[@infamoushacker4chan883]

Somewhat unrelated to the video at hand, but thanks for mentioning Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind when talking about Ash Lake's design in a previous video. I'd never heard of it and ended up watching and really enjoying it.

[@GuruVasile]

This is literally the best series about DeS/DaS.

[@KirkWilliams300]

Guru Vasile id have to agree (cries in corner)

[@AnthonyDoesYouTube]

Tru

[@bollywongaloid]

If you haven’t already check out From The Dark by ENB... it’s one of the best out there too and he helped write the official guides for DS1, DS2 and Bloodborne so he knows his stuff.

[@KirkWilliams300]

bollywongaloid my goal is to become an expert on those things as well so I follow him

[@RandomPerson-tu3pj]

I always enjoyed the SIXAXIS controls for the Souls games, as I'm kind of a maniac with keyboard shortcuts with everything I do. As for the rotating motions, I've always had great success doing them by rotating the controller very quickly in a similar motion to turning a steering wheel in a car; only horizontally. Got very good at it, and it was very rare that I did a different one on accident. Wish we had it on the PC ports, but From would have to support the Dualshock natively on PC. Which they have for Sekiro, but Sekiro also doesn't natively use the SIXAXIS features at all on any platform. Guess we'll have to see what From decides to do when Elden Ring comes out.

[@arabidllama]

I think this is the intended motion - "thrust forward left" may be intended to mean "thrust *the left controller handle* foward", which is a weird way to describe a "steering-wheel right turn" motion.

[@CorrosiveFox]

Personally, I hate the sixaxis gestures. Thanks for reminding me that I have in fact been killed by this system multiple times!

[@redline841]

Just stay calm and don't shake. Fr tho, I'd probably ask for a sensitivity slider for how strong of a shake it should register. I would like this on PC to do a faster Kill>Prayer combo taunt

[@faeIzada]

Almost 2k hours of soulsborne and never died to that (PS3/PS4 player on SIXAXIS)

[@Amphivian]

hey, I just wanted to say I love your videos no matter how obscure the subject. I love deep dives into super specific game mechanics like this.

[@jasminmustafic5997]

Love your content man! I'm glad you're touching on the niche stuff instead of regurgitating the same things people have been saying about the Souls games for the past 8 years.

[@arabidllama]

Thanks for making these videos!! I imported a copy of Demon's Souls on recommendation, and it fascinated me in a way only a handful of games ever have. This is exactly, EXACTLY the kind of content I desperately wanted back in 2009, and I'm happy to have it in 2020!

[@gir2195]

The algorithm pushed your Lordran vid to so of us that love SoulsBorne content. I got it, my wife got it, all of my friends got it. We're not disappointed. You make great vids!

[@kurtallen12]

Even if it's not a topic quite as interesting as the Lordan video, I enjoy all your videos on these things. Even the mundane stuff is interesting and you pace yourself very well and deliver explanations succinctly. You do a great job man, keep em coming!

[@vaultt309]

This is for real one of my favorite series on youtube!!

[@gtothee5723]

Recently found you and love love love your videos. And yes, excellent glorious DeS quality right here.

[@cowboytv7903]

hey dude, just want to say really love your videos, you deserve more views! keep them coming

[@kienesel7]

“It seems simple because they payed me to say that!”

[@TheArnoldification]

"it's simple guys" *super mario 64 theme starts to play ominously in background*

[@anthonyiodice]

I cannot stress this enough, you’re intro music is BOMB.

[@Popebug]

*your

[@resin2092]

Yo'rue

[@Ryan-op7yd]

@@resin2092 y'roue

[@fernando47180]

yur'oe

[@orc001]

This is some awesome work you put in here! You gotta wonder what they were thinking when they came up with this.

[@lunnefisk4344]

If I had to boil FromSoft down to two things, it would be that they're massive pranksters and love weird mechanics. "Moving your controller might lock in an uncancellable animation mid fight" is just so perfectly on brand for them

[@WarMomPT]

I'm totally happy to watch anything you make - I have a passing interest in what goes on under the hood in games, and videos like the Quelaana one show that as much as a game looks polished, under the hood it's all sort of held together with duct tape that *usually* looks convincing enough to reach the intended effect.

[@Rc3651]

I got into DeS before even the NA release and this mechanic has always been a mystery to me. Thank you for the clarity on something I'd always wondered about! I've very rarely accidentally activated them but couldn't ever do it on demand. Looking forward to messing around with it someday when I replay it!

[@rundylaw6212]

0:53 Lmao that editing is perfect

[@illusorywall]

Haha, thanks! The original content was begging for a cut that immediately contradicted it. I even had to use some restraint, it could've gone on longer. 😆

[@dantetugaoen5836]

I like that attitude of providing content not much for the money but for the passion Don't worry man cause whatever you upload, I'll watch it as long as it's from souls games Keep up the best work and have fun

[@NatetheNerdy]

Thank you for explaining this!!! I have no idea how many times I gestured to the Doll while mashing through her dialogue and I could never figure out how exactly to trigger it.

[@KTGromwell]

I actually never knew how to do the motion gestures until I saw this, but I definitely did them on accident quite a few times. Only in DS3 though, for some reason, which made me think it was a new feature for that game.

[@alexradice8163]

You never saw the movement instructions for ds1?

[@peterprime2140]

@@alexradice8163 It doesn't tell you to hold down X, I only found out how to do them from this video.

[@AndoLarousse]

Played Demon's Souls since its release and I often like looking for videos explaining bizarre and deep or niche things about it that I might have not known. This series of yours seems to be doing a pretty good damn job for it. I would like to see more of these. Thank you for providing.

[@SeiPlays]

love the demon's souls stuff

[@Lucy-eg9nm]

Please do more Demon's Souls Videos , i really love this game and find people still talking about it in current year really warms my cold heart.

[@viesty]

Are you gonna do a video on the pure bladestone droprate? There is no good information about it online aside from your reddit post.

[@GuardianOwl]

Or just a video about drop rates in general that includes information about the pure bladestone. How world tendency, luck, and large sword of searching interact to affect it.

[@xXLunatikxXlul]

@@GuardianOwl this is an incredible video idea! Hopefully He pins this comment and takes it into consideration.

[@illusorywall]

@@GuardianOwl Oh this is all on the 'to do' pile for sure.

[@SmittyWerbenJag3rmanJenson]

@@illusorywall I love demon souls stuff, dark souls has been dissected down to an insane level but demons souls still feels like it has suprises or interesting bits in store for us still. Bladestone drop rate would be rad

[@mrblinkylight]

Just farm the like 2 enemies that drop it until you get it. I'm at about 40 hours with doing and wearing everything I can to up the chance of a drop and still nothing. Only one more to go...

[@theworstbird]

You're doing the dark lord's work Illusory

[@iain2080]

Played DS 1-3 and Bloodborne and never figured out how you were meant to activate the gestures by motion

[@ThisisKyle]

Same, now since I'm on PC it's kind of useless to me now

[@churro5322]

You would need atleast 1 brain cell to figure it out.

[@leonardoa5201]

Very interesting and well-presented video, thank you for making this.

[@SleepyPitou]

kinda funny to see that Elden Ring still has the motion controls, with the toggle you suggested in the video

[@PrimordialNightmare]

Great video, really interesting bits of information!

[@TheSeventySin7]

Man, I just had this video recommended to my out of the blue and I must say: I am perplexed with the video quality and I will certainly watch your other videos. +1 subscriber

[@ShinkeiDEI]

I do use the motion gestures all the time since DeS. It is cool to trigger 'Silent Resolve' when killing a boss without going to the menu.

[@zugernat]

That intro literally made me forget what was i actually watching until Demon Souls appeared LUL

[@KirkWilliams300]

When you are in pvp and you accidentally jester and your opponent is a bro and doesn’t attack you

[@sawarunan]

Make a 2 hour long video about the Demon's Souls 'Dull Rat's Ring' having the same effect as the ring given to you in Dark Souls 3 by Greirat (grei [grey.. a dull color...] rat????)

[@kattn01]

lol

[@cheesi]

i entirely forgot what i was watching after the first 2 minutes then it was a pleasant surprise when i realised it was demon's souls related :)

[@MGlBlaze]

I'm in the UK. No fucking wonder I was never able to get those gesture motions to work!

[@ozanozkirmizi47]

Thank you friend... Looking forward to see the next video...

[@lovablebutcher6265]

I love your content and the way you present it! Keep on:)

[@beanbottler]

Demon Souls videos in 2020. I love it!

[@indiedreamsmedia]

Thank you for making these

[@tovlasek]

The hardest boss in Demon's Souls is literally doing the proper gesture... I wasn't even able to do Beckon and Point (original game on PS3). But thanks to you I actually found out what I am supposed to do since my game says "tilt up" and "tilt down"

[@BradenSG]

This is good content Keep up the good work brother

[@MultiWolfLink]

Holding down x in bloodborne was always a thing that got me killed!! Its really cool seeing WHY they made that choice :) great video!

[@HiCZoK]

FINALLY someone explains this!

[@tehtonym]

Need more demon's souls dissected!!!

[@SolarbearChiptune]

u've done it again u madman

[@barronTV1]

Can't wait for Dark Souls VR so i can point down with my own hand

[@TheSleepySlug]

Great video! For me the point of motion gestures is to add some flair when showing a Souls game to a newbie. Magically having your character turn and wave at the camera with no menus involved is freakin' cool (although you gotta memorize or setup the gestures ahead of time).

[@EggBastion]

In that regard it's great for skilled LPers.

[@Scyzzles]

For the forward left/forward right motions hold on to the controller, perpendicular to the wall in front of you, with only the hand corresponding to the motion you're trying to do and flick your wrist back so the side of the controller opposite of your hand makes a 90 degree arc from right to front/left to front. Yes, it is stupidly finicky to do the motion with your left hand because the button you're supposed to hold is on the opposite side of the controller. My best guess is that the motions didn't always require you to hold a button, but that was changed at some point because no one wants to accidentally be performing gestures while trying to play the game, while the motions remained the same.

[@cubialpha]

back in the day, i played this game enough to land a spot in the pantheon, and i still never knew you could do this 😲

[@Aetohatir]

I think you saw my previous comment, but I'll mention it again. It would be cool to see a video about the stockpile Thomas item dupe. Also a video on the broken archstone would be cool. The motion gestures were always the bane of my existence. But I guess they're funny.

[@jkomodo]

BRU THX SO MUCH! I COULDN'T FIND HOW TO GESTURE IN DEMONS SOULS... NOW I CAN!!!

[@DoctorDex]

Wow I never knew this feature dates all the way back to Demon's Souls!

[@thegreatone4948]

I’ve played all the souls games and this is the first time I figured out you have to hold X to activate motion gestures

[@ReverendBishop]

Hey, they actually listened! Or at least you predicted the motion control changes for elden ring. Either way, good job! :D

[@hugorodriguez5149]

Moar, this is great

[@TeuCat]

I was so surprised when I realized I could do motion activated emotes on RPCS3 with my PS4 controller! I always thought it was just a Bloodborne thing until I played it a few months ago. Never knew the Dark Souls games had it though.

[@woodchucksquirrel]

I genuinely love the motion controls; so much easier than opening the menu which doesn't work when there is a message on screen.

[@HearthguardHG]

Great video. Although I think they could just improve the menu selection for gestures (or almost anything in the souls series). Why not hold down a given button and then flip your analog stick to the gesture you want? Addendum: I’m so looking forward to the next Souls geography lesson!

[@illusorywall]

Thanks! And yeah that does make more sense honestly. There are other ways we could trigger gestures without using the menu nor motion controls. And that way we could have it work on all platforms, too.

[@EggBastion]

_"...or almost anything"_ IKR!

[@freshbazuble]

this has caused many deaths in blood borne

[@RazzleTheRed1]

Man I wish there was some way to turn it off, I can't remember the amount of times I've went to pick up an item in Bloodborne only for my character to sit down, also happens a lot when I try to skip through dialogue

[@leyrua]

STOP BEING PETULANT AND LET ME PICK UP THE DAMN ITEM ALREADY!

[@KarmaSpaz12]

Might have to try this tonight in DS3. Always wondered what these were and always assumed they were shortcuts but never figured them out. Been almost a year and still no Elden Ring.

[@casedistorted]

So sixaxis gestures work in latest version of demon souls emulation.. while in 60fps and network play. It’s crazy what day we live in.

[@CRAgamer]

To this day, in every single fromsoft game I've played, this mechanic always finds a way to kill me in the worst of times.

[@gabrielbattisti6563]

Do a video dissecting boletaria’s layout too

[@paualamar]

I have been playing dark souls for about 3 years... i have used gestures like 3 time i have no time to bring up the menu before the other players leave the world and I only remember the motion gesture feature when I see it... maybe from now on ill be more mindful of it. Thanks.

[@theFriendlyGhst]

I actually had a knockoff controller with no sixaxis in it. It didn't bother me except for when I tried to play Siren: Blood Curse which required it only when you were under attack.

[@cacomeat7385]

4:52 i was not expecting a sound effect from the original Binding of Isaac, neat

[@illusorywall]

Nice catch! I tried googling stuff like "angelic choir", "choir synth hit", etc, and didn't find anything appropriate. I wanted something more like the Binding of Isaac sample, until I just caved in and used it.

[@tims.1615]

I always knew about this feature, but never knew that you had to hold the X button

[@fortnj]

I always accidentally make my character sit down playing Bloodborne because I’m not used to the motion controls. This will probably be the same when the Demon’s Souls remake comes out

[@KaedeLanyo]

There's so much to talk about in regards to DeS. I'm guessing demystifying world and character tendency is planned, similar to sin.

[@jamesliu8101]

I savor every drop of your videos. Is there any way to support you other than on Patreon?

[@LovelessDogg1]

Ahhh, the U-Force :^)

[@Tarofel]

god yeah, this mechanic plagued me in bloodborne. i swear a lot of the time i'd only be tapping the button and not be moving the controller, but i'd still emote and die for it.

[@illusorywall]

It's been a while so I can't recall if I elaborated on it in this vid, but I've always wondered why it seemed like a bigger issue in Bloodborne. I feel like it happened to me more in Bloodborne than anywhere else, but it still probably only happened a couple times so I don't have a lot to go off of. But still, anecdotally speaking it just got a lot more complaints. So I wonder if their first transition from PS3 to PS4 (DS2 didn't have this) converted the motion inputs in such a way that they could be more subtle by accident? They were moving to a new controller afterall. Maybe the initial time requirement for holding the button was shortened too? I'd love to know more but that level of detail isn't something I'd know how to find. :)

[@LUNCHQUEST]

ive never been able to get this six axis function to work on command. usually i run up to and npc and enter their menu while yelling "Here!" in their face as their dialog starts

[@The-Anti-Midas]

The one in the middle in dark souls where u do something X2 is confusing to me. I spent 2 mins trying to do it last night lmao.

[@illusorywall]

Exactly. It really is a confusing mess! I stand by my suggestion that there should've only been 4 motions available, move up/down or left/right, then it'd actually be pretty reliable.

[@stainedboxerz]

Can you do a video on dissecting Luck in accordance to item drops.

[@redeyespaladin296]

I'll tell the truth, I found out about this channel because of this video, not the lordran layout, and I want more weird stuff

[@TheParachutePeople]

Having played through demon souls on PS3 and ps5, I had no idea that they were gestures!

[@algi1]

Wow, this is very interesting. I wonder if this works with PS Now on PC.

[@Metadaxe]

It’s a shame they messed this feature up in later titles. Removing it in dks2 and making it so easy to accidentally input gestures in bb and dks3. I learned to do it in DeS to avoid the delay of opening the menu, and have used it ever since. But with people getting killed in Bloodborne because they shift their controller around a little bit while trying to open a door, it’s understandable that the feature is so resented nowadays. I hope it returns in Elden Ring, but with the DeS/DkS style implementation.

[@Metadaxe]

Also I will add, the rotate gestures (shrug, pelvic thrust) are 1000x easier to do on ds3 than ds4. I had to spent a lot of time practicing to get them back down when switching to Bloodborne (and later DkS3), and still can’t do them 100%, while on ds3 it was fairly trivial. Ime you have to be very careful to rotate it without moving it up, down, left, right, or pitching it. And doing that while moving the controller vigorously enough to get it to do anything at all is a struggle. I always used tilt up/tilt down for point/beckon. Works fine on all titles, so idk if it was really explained wrong, even if it’s not technically what the game’s code is looking at. It’s how I learned to do it, despite having the NA version of des. It’s cool seeing a look under the hood at what’s going on here, in any case. I’m surprised that there’s nothing to detect pitch (or is that part of rotational data?) since rotating upward/downward is such a consistent method for getting point and beckon ime.

[@EmberGyaru]

Accidentally triggering motion gestures. UGH! Especially in Demon's and DS1 when you couldn't cancel. Balls!! 😖

[@leyrua]

Especially because you tend to frantically jerk the controller around when you have one HP left and the boss is near death.

[@VileLasagna]

Shoutout to Folklore, the title that did motion controls in otherwise standard games integration perfectly

[@illusorywall]

Ooh I'll have to look that one up, I'm not familiar with it!

[@VileLasagna]

@@illusorywall The game overall is pretty enjoyable. An action rpg type that does looks pretty good, from what I remember. Well worth a try

[@ethanryan6161]

It was really interesting to see the input graphs for the motion control inputs - it looks like the programmers were making the best of finicky input devices. Still, After a few minutes of digging, it looks like Sony was using something pretty state of the art for the era - the accelerometer used in the sixaxis controller was developed in March of 2006, and the PS3 was released just 8 months later. Apparently the first developers to use it only got the controller 10 days before E3 (probably due to the relatively new tech).

[@illusorywall]

Oh yes that was my understanding as well, based on some old forum discussions I found. Not sure how accurate it is, but someone was expressing the opinion that while it didn't match the quality of high-end accelerometers in expensive machinery from the time, that it was impressively good considering how much cheaper it was. Like there wasn't anything quite like it before that. edit: Reminds me of the Kinect. A failure as a gaming device/ console interface, but an impressive device for those who found a novel/ niche use for it.

[@ethanryan6161]

Yeah, and it was apparently pretty energy efficient - the ps3 controller's charge life still amazes me. Speaking of the Kinect, did you know that a Japanese company used Kinect tech as inputs for their $1.4 million dollar novelty mecha tech? Just look up Kuratas on youtube - I didn't realize people were actually doing stuff like that until recently. It all makes me wish I had gotten into electronics earlier in my life - still, it's never to late to learn about this stuff. Here's a very brief tech article praising the accelerometer back in September of 2006: www.powerelectronics.com/technologies/passive-components/article/21859731/piezoresistive-sensoraccelerometer-operates-in-three-axes

[@satans_scrilla4844]

I had no idea motion controls were a thing and I played a lot of dark souls

[@cptnoremac]

Thanks for helping to clear that up! Funny story: Just today I started playing through Dark Souls Remastered again (NG+4) so I could test out my new back button attachment for the DualShock 4. The right button is mapped to circle, so I can run and move the camera at the same time. The left button is mapped to X, just by default. I decided to do a no-hit fight with Ornstein and Smough to put on KZbin. In one of my attempts, I accidentally bumped the left button while moving the controller and did a long gesture, but somehow my character just barely stepped out of the way of Ornstein's attack and I got off unharmed. It was amusing enough I added it at the end of the video of the successful no-hit fight. tl;dr Yeah, they should really let you disable the motion controls

[@jamesliu8101]

This reminds me of the Morning Jog DS3 boss runs by Daniel N. Check that out if you haven't.

[@cptnoremac]

@@jamesliu8101 I've seen those! Fun to watch, for sure.

[@octaviogonzalez8794]

sooooooooo interesting /s

[@cptnoremac]

@@octaviogonzalez8794 Never would have guessed it was sarcasm if not for the /s

[@octaviogonzalez8794]

@@cptnoremac I got u beb

[@mrshnarbs8067]

YOU HAVE TO HOLD X?

When I moved from 360 to ps4 one of the 1st things I had to do was remap the controller because the whole of the 1st week on DksR I would accidentally motion gesture mid fight when I actually wanted to toggle my weapon