Demon's Souls Dissected #3 - Level Range Formulas Explained

[@mitchdouglas9844]

Aneed4peed and ballsdeepdan are the real heroes of this story

[@somekindoflandcow]

You mention at 1:20 that magic deletes ragdolls, which seems true on first glance, but it actually just renders the ragdoll invisible; it's still there and can be moved around, and any item pickups are still tied to it and can be moved around as well. I haven't personally tested if these invisible ragdolls count towards Leechmonger pit spawns, but I see no reason as to why they wouldn't.

[@boxlessone1046]

I literally see a comment right above this one with Illusory Wall responding to someone with 1 subscriber.

[@boxlessone1046]

Wait, fuck, pp storm is just a troll

[@EnfieldsMikeP]

I want all scholarly work to reference sources like "aneed4peed" and "ballsdeepdan"

[@Bluecho4]

I'm honestly delighted that, in the age of the Internet, any academic work related to it will have the chance of documenting for posterity Internet usernames. And that further, someone somewhere will need to defend a university dissertation or give a lecture and have to say the words "as derived by Internet user ballsdeepdan" in an completely serious context.

[@CrowCrojoINTJ]

@@Bluecho4 "..for this example, I will discuss the information obtained from my source I found online; ballsdeepdan."

[@philo-]

All you have to do is start doing some sort of research on a team that publishes papers (or do it yourself) and change your name to something ridiculous. Ride a brilliant scientist's coattails to fame and have yourself credited as "Christopher Cockslapper III."

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​@@philo-My father was a Cockslapper, and his father was a Cockslapper. My son will be a Cockslapper. Throughout time there will always be Cockslappers.

[@nelsomsmae]

07:18 >using the unused owl enemy for a quick "who"/"hoo" gag brilliant

[@usagi_z184]

20:40 okay that made me literally laugh out loud, nice simple edits like those always get me

[@hollowinvasion8624]

Hahaha, that Old Monk triple team. Hilarious. So weird that you were fighting the host for so long before they entered

[@illusorywall]

Exactly, I had no idea they were on their way!

[@ScythesCartoons]

that delivery of "I wrote" when talking about the calculator wiki page had quite of bit of punch to it, it was so matter-of-factly, I audibly said "damn right you did"

[@junkszy912]

Please do a video explaining DS3 poise. there's a redit post going into detail on how it works and it's a massive post.

[@illusorywall]

The reddit post also doesn't cover everything IIRC. I'll talk about it eventually! edit: Not to diminish the awesome awesome work that was put into that research, but just saying there's a few more weird angles to it! :)

[@RengokuGS]

@@illusorywall praise the wall!

[@igornaimoli7321]

On Reddit he answered me he will talk about it at some point

[@yanli111]

Could you also cover impact level and stop power? I’ve heard that impact level determine what type of stagger is dealt( like astora ugs charged 2h r2 and zwei 1h r2 behave differently than other ugs r2 because of this), but that dosent explain why certain atttack with the same impact level have different hit stun (like regular dagger 2h r1 vs murky 2h r1), and this is suppose to be caused by something called stop power? And this just broke my brain

[@lightinstinct707]

@@illusorywall You’re too good to us

[@LEWIS1992]

More Demon's Souls content please!! Absolutely love this game, by far my favourite Souls title.

[@illusorywall]

The next video is going to be another Demon's Souls episode! :)

[@Cmygo]

19:56 You hear that DSP? The invader back then wasn't "infinite level"!

[@Around_blax_dont_relax]

Why am i poisoned..? WHY AM I TAHXIC?!?!?!?!?

[@AnnieBee43]

You're the only youtuber who could make all this random info about my favorite series so interesting

[@NatetheNerdy]

How to not be invaded. Step One: be a god.

[@pious83]

Step Two: Play offline

[@HalfLifeOfHumanity]

Alternatively Step One: Set Your VPN Location to North Korea

[@karenamyx2205]

Sl1 playthroughs are fun! You can actually become a lot stronger than you think. Most of your damage comes from weapon upgrades, and using infusions that give raw damage at the cost of scaling (which we don't care about at low level). So you end up hitting plenty hard. Then just use rings that boost hp and stamina and stuff. And make sure you are decent at I frame rolling and.. boom! It ends up not being that different in gameplay feel than a high level character. An it's fun! Try it!

[@karenamyx2205]

@@HalfLifeOfHumanity That's pretty funny.

[@JesterPatches]

It's always great to hear you talk again about Souls things. Well done.

[@pendantblade6361]

Astounding video as always! Can't wait for that DkS3 poise video!

[@cooltacos123]

Im glad you did the review in the beginning, it had been a while since i’d seen the originals

[@-42-47]

I'd like to suggest Irithyll of the Boreal Valley for the screen saver series. It doesn't offer anything in the ways of machinery but such a beautiful place with several patrolling enemies and those blue ghosts are also cool.

[@nathanh8469]

Always so excited to see another video of yours pop up! Glad to be so early this time too

[@HaVeNII7]

Just dropping in to say thanks! Your videos allow me to enjoy the games in a more complete manner. I really appreciate the work you put in, along with your extensive knowledge on the subject! I had no idea passwords reenable PvP in DeS. Going to be taking advantage of that from now on! Super excited for that.

[@asd-du3ey]

Great video as always! The intro midi music is dope.

[@mitchsz]

You deserve more subscribers, it's a pretty cool work that you do in this channel.

[@malachimusclerat]

i hope you know how much of a flex "i wrote the wiki page" is

[@latewizard301]

Been looking for a channel like this for weeks now!

[@vaultt309]

I'm always most excited to see Illusory Wall videos show up in my subscriptions! 👍👍❤👍👍

[@personman1148]

They should make it an option with the classic filter to have the original sound track.

[@illusorywall]

Agreed! I actually mention that in ny upcoming video (currently recording and editing the audio). There's some good stuff in the new soundtrack but I would prefer to hear the original in most cases. And certainly the option should exist.

[@ImDemonAlchemist]

A bigger advantage to Passwords opening up multiplayer in areas with the boss killed: You can still brighten World Tendency with help from another player even after you've finished a world.

[@hesiolite]

Awesome video, i always look forward to your content. I really liked the dark souls screensaver. One made with the original Demon's Souls would be awesome too.

[@ericsbuds]

damn i totally missed this video. thank you for making new stuff. love your channel.

[@homersimpson90210]

I love your vids, keep it up!

[@Chimera-man-man]

I don’t know how you made niche match making formulas interesting but wow well done

[@effervescentsoliloquoy914]

Great video but you forgot to mention the weapon level matchmaking that was added in the DS1 remake which was borrowed from DS3. Also would've been nice to throw in how level matchmaking worked in DS3 but maybe you'll do a separate video for that in the future?

[@illusorywall]

Oh yeah WL is definitely intended for a future discussion, so I didn't even touch that can of worms for this episode. :)

[@GalleryOfChameleon]

Love your videos! Do you have any plans for any Bloodborne or Sekiro dissected videos?

[@crestfallenwarrior5719]

Hey man, can you look up, where Ornstein in ds1 came from in his entrance cutscene? Is it possible to get there? Is there collision? Is there a room or something?

[@jacthing1]

Doesn't he literally just drop down from where the bonfire is on front of gwynevere?

[@crestfallenwarrior5719]

@@jacthing1 yes, im a retard. Why asking?

[@AllisonByProxy]

Another great video! Quick question: When first entering NG+ on the remake I was Invaded (and killed) during my fight with the Phalanx Demon. I didn't think invaders could enter the boss arenas during fights so was this a glitch or intended behavior I hadn't ever seen before?

[@illusorywall]

That has to be a glitch! Though even then I have no idea how they could've gotten inside the boss room after the fact...

[@AllisonByProxy]

@@illusorywall I was very surprised!

[@illusorywall]

@@AllisonByProxy It's super strange, I'll be looking forward to seeing if a way to do it on purpose is ever figured out. Oh, do you recall if this was before or after the most recent patch?

[@AllisonByProxy]

@@illusorywall I tweeted about it on Nov. 18th.

[@sawarunan]

This video made me remember seemingly insane level ranges I used to feel like I was experiencing using the Blue Eye Orb in Dark Souls 1, so I looked it up, and the Wikidot says: "It can invade other players within co-op range upwards, but it can invade downwards using x - (50 + 0.2x), where x = the invader's level. This means a level 100 player can invade the levels of 30 through 120." Good to know I wasn't imagining things. You generally felt OP as hell doing those invasions.

[@geoffhirst13]

You explain things very well. You really should be a math teacher!

[@JKSmith-qs2ii]

I'm happy you recorded a lot of the original game. I personally don't like the changes in remake, so it is great seeing footage recorded still. Keep miyazaki's legacy going!

[@illusorywall]

Thanks! Yeah moving forward all videos in this series will almost certainly include footage from both. The next one I have planned requires lots of closer examinations of the original...

[@Charnel_Heart]

Aneed4peed repping the CLASSIC era of demon's souls on gamefaqs.

[@leftpersona2518]

People that bring 2 summons into Old Monk are why I got the Foe's Ring, a +5 Sharp Katana, and depression.

[@sinaolaei]

Thanks man. I recently got into souls like games and wanted to replay Demons Souls Remake and DS3 before EldenRing with my friends and I was worried that I needed to start a new game and check my level and weapon reinforcements every time. That would be really tiresome. Thank you so much. The password system seems awesome. Although still not as seamless as Nioh2’s Co Op but it’s Ok.

[@maartenboy37]

7:25 that is super interesting! I would love to know why they changed this in Dark Souls and reverted it in Dark Souls Remastered. #PvP120ForLife

[@DritzD27a]

Isn't the Ringed City Spears of the Church the most direct comparison to the Old Monk? I was under the impression you could be stolen from any summon sign into the fight at a low chance. Perhaps I'm misremembering though.

[@YEs69th420]

Nah, that's the Spears of the Church covenant. Though Fextralife says summon stones can do that anyway.

[@andreworders7305]

20:40 you can have multiple companions in demons souls?

[@illusorywall]

Yup! All Souls games let you summon at least 2 players for co-op.

[@leaflizard8485]

The game Hellpoint is interesting with multiplayer. You can coop anywhere, even areas that boss is dead.

[@landoncube769]

Dude put effort in an intro and calls it clickbait. Something here is wholesome 🤔

[@Ashlevon]

Demon's Souls best Souls

[@snail2755]

Do you plan on doing a sekiro dissected video?

[@MercurialStatic]

You are the nomad colossus of Dark Souls.

[@paualamar]

Me, doing a Pyro Level 1 in Dark Souls Switch anyway. Sooo, i don't need to worry about invasion either?

[@cube_cup]

I was sceptical of the new range, but looking at the list of ranges, the invader still has a clear disadvantage at early levels when the host isn't that familiar yet with the game.

[@HalfLifeOfHumanity]

Off-Topic, but: Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the Fast-Roll Stat or Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First-And-Last-Rolling-IFrame Stat or DS2: Stats of the Fallen Sequel or DS2: Stat Obliteration; The First Sin Dark Souls 2: Scholar of Tenuous Frame-Invincibility Systems

[@BlazeStorm]

Oooh now I played the remake I can watch the other ones

[@BEYONDTHESPIDERFILMS]

Still can't get over my friend and I killed 4 invaders back to back in the mine. We would drop one and as he died, another took his place

[@brendanmonshall9834]

Been eagerly awaiting another video from you bro! Only 20mins though. 😭 Waa. Haha

[@aureateseigneur5317]

"GOD NO!!" I felt that lmao.

[@ravenofash9234]

Thanks for this video it is really useful. I have a doubt regarding password summoned blues. Can you tell me if they are downscaled in any way? I think I remember that they weren't in a DangitJM video, but that video is now unlisted. Can you confirm this? Thank you!

[@illusorywall]

There's still no downscaling! Summons can be super OP.

[@ravenofash9234]

@@illusorywall Thank you for answering!

[@redseagaming7832]

Can you explain what happens during a loading screen Demon Souls PS3 version and what happens during the PS5 loading times how did they achieve such fast loading. My question is not about how fast the SSD loads it I just want to know what exactly happened when something is being transferred from the disc or storage from the HDD or the solid state drive to RAM

[@diegonei]

There is... a private server for Demon's Souls? Wonder if I can bring my DsS laptop experience online...

[@illusorywall]

Yup, it works on PS3 without mods (just have to change a few settings), and also for the emulator as well. The emulator was offline only for a while but online capability was added sometime last year.

[@diegonei]

@@illusorywall It worked! Well, now I just need to buy a PS4 and I'll be able to play all Soulsborne games!

[@illusorywall]

@@diegonei Awesome! Bloodborne is really cool. I hope it eventually gets a framerate and resolution patch for PS5, but still worth playing regardless.

[@pious83]

The only thing I remembered about summons etc from the original, was that it never worked. A simple step forward after touching a summon sign and the connection was lost...

[@illusorywall]

Strange, I did not have the same issue (US servers at least). I found it behaved very consistently and predictably when going back to test the level ranges. It was like "wow this works so much better than Dark Souls 1", even.

[@pious83]

@@illusorywall For the European Servers, I never really knew what the issue was? Maybe because the DeS servers weren't that populated? But after a while, you just learned to ignore summon signs. As they were largely pointless. Still, it gave me the mentality to play through and finish the game solo. Which I continued, until I tapped out of the main series with Dark Souls 2.

[@thaias9654]

Now there’s a solution to being invaded while waiting to be summoned! Just be level 2! Like really, I can’t spend 5 seconds not being invaded in [invasion hotspot] while at [average matchmaking level for area]

[@chan4est]

I thought they disabled soul gain from killing invaders because of the luck glitch, right? You could kill an invader who did the glitch (aka a person over SL 999) and get billions of souls. To prevent that from happening a stop-gap solution was put in place where invaders just don't drop souls at all.

[@illusorywall]

The thing is, they patched that the same time they removed password matchmaking for the Black Eye Stone, so they were already making that impossible regardless. You're probably right in identifying their line of reasoning, but it's kind of overkill!

[@junoglrr9119]

phantoms and hosts not dropping souls kinda kills random invasions? most ppl just gonna dc. nothing to be gained

[@ExaltedUriel]

A mechanic in Demon's Souls not being well thought-out? Say it ain't so

[@junoglrr9119]

@ remake removed it

[@andreworders7305]

Have you done any Bloodborne dissected?

[@Dramallamastrikesagain]

illusory wall ft. Sylvester the Talking Cat

[@LucRio448]

Did you guys ever consider the possibility for DS1 that X + 10 + 10% can be read two different ways as well? Like, rounding explains Demon's souls and Dark Souls 1 Remastered. Sure, perspective explains Dark Souls 1 Original, but there is another option: If you assume the range is X + 10 + (10% of your now new evel), or in other words, if we assume X + 10 = Y, and you then ad 10% of Y to that, that also explains it. To go bakc to your example, 59 + 10 is 69. 10% of that is either 6 or 7 - depending on rounding - which brings us to either 75 or 76. Did you try to see if DS uses maybe this method all along, in both the original and the remake, just with different rounding? Just out of curiosity. Because as a maths guy, I knwo people tend to look for confirmation of their theory and leave it there, instead of looking for contradictions, which is what you'd normally do to proof your formula^^ In the (unlikely) case that you did not consider it, I could try'n come up with a few level ranges to test that would tell you which one is the case

[@illusorywall]

Oh yeah I tested pretty heavily looking for contradictions, I'm confident the perspective did flip for Dark Souls 1 and that it otherwise rounds the same way Demon's Souls does. "Leaving it there" after some quick testing is how we get so much bad information and speculation added to the wikis, I always try to break my own level range predictions to see if they actually hold up. :)

[@Slayer-ur5pu]

😃😃😃

[@JustinOliverMusic]

Can anyone here tell me if Weapon upgrades affect invasion ranges?

[@illusorywall]

They don't in Demon's Souls (original nor remake), there's no Weapon Level matchmaking at all. A little surprising it didn't get incorporated here.

[@JustinOliverMusic]

@@illusorywall Thank you SO much. Was really worried about it.

[@fb1179]

Why is this so interesting wtf is wrong with me

[@WarzoneCasual423]

Where is the ds3 #2 episode?

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[@Fenrakk101]

Wait... the Majalis Duo...?

[@Saturnus_Ouranos]

7:20 is that the cut Owl magician? Lol Edit: 10:20 that old one lol 😂

[@joker345172]

Math and demons souls? Sign me up!

[@curupa66]

How come your original demons souls look so good?

[@effervescentsoliloquoy914]

Because he's using a PS3 emulator that upscales the resolution to 1080p and can also do 60fps.

[@jephedelphuego]

Your boy over here is just waiting for a Demon's Souls screensaver vid.

[@VileLasagna]

Honestly, the one glaring flaw Demon's Souls Remake needed to fix seems to have gone unpatched. 0/10, thankfully I don't have a PS5 so I don't have to farm for Pure Bladestone again. For real, though, it seems a pretty obvious oversight when there isn't a single one available as a pickup where every other upgrade path has one. Heck, there's like 3 pure suckerstones (?). I remember going into NG+, duping Old one soul to level up to 99 luck and then spending 3 days farming the bloody skeleton for it... super fun. Never dex

[@illusorywall]

Ah, well thankfully Pure Bladestone is less of a nightmare now. They increased its drop rate!

[@VileLasagna]

@@illusorywall Don't tempt me... if I somehow ever get my hands on a PS5, I WILL immediately get this and I WILL plat it again. It's for my own protection XD

[@Rubbish_]

I vibe to the 8bit music adaptions way too hard

[@C3lticlord]

Post your music again please :)

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

Dark souls 1 and 2 need the Demons Souls remake treatment with official mod support.

[@GMatt193]

Woof

[@mayakirkhouse84]

Woof

[@Myrskylintu]

Woof

[@NiGHTSnoob]

I personally would definitely consider invasions being more consistent to 100% be a downgrade to the system. Especially in Demon's Souls of all games in the series. Invasions are so awful in that game. The level design and grass system absolutely do not like giving you any real chance against people who want to play dirty, and if they do kill you it punishes you with a World Tendency drop, which, if you're a newbie who doesn't understand the system you are the last kind of person who needs to be hit with a World Tendency drop.

[@illusorywall]

I'm not really sure what you mean, other than you really dislike PvP in Demon's Souls, lol. It's not like it was less reliable in the original in such a way that it would help protect hosts from getting invaded. The different invasion range not being well understood caused some mismatches for things like fight clubs, but it's not like invasions got "fixed" for the remake in such a way that they're now working and significantly more common in the remake. Invasions worked fine in the original, so I'm not sure what downgrade you see there being.

[@NiGHTSnoob]

@@illusorywall A larger level range inherently means they will be more frequent. There's no way around it. If there's more people in the viable pool using Black Eye Stones you're objectively more likely to connect with one of them, and that's most negatively going to impact newer players that don't fully understand the mechanics. In a game where their World Tendency can easily get completely screwed before they seek any sort of help making the game much harder for them at no real fault of their own. For veteran players they'll just kill themselves in the. Nexus to avoid it if they so wish and not risk the World Tendency drop, which only further screws new players as it means there are less potential targets in the pool to invade. As for setting up fight clubs, Red Eye Stones work fine as you already said in the video so... what's the point of making the black stone more consistent? I see it as a net negative. The positive side is irrelevant when another method exists and is more consistent for the stated goal of a fight club already.

[@JacobWHill]

being an invader freaking sucks in this game.

[@ThePluralApostrophe]

Good.

[@congregation8845]

Dark souls 2:3 when

[@Johneyap]

Edited: he's right

[@illusorywall]

You should only need the password to host after the boss is dead, unless some exploit or workaround has been discovered. I haven't investigated if the host can turn the password back off after they've been invaded. I imagine they probably could, which might explain you getting summoned as a blue without knowing what the host was using. But yeah invading or becoming the Old Monk doesn't involve a password so no surprise there.

[@Johneyap]

@@illusorywall you are totally right, I'm being summoned.

[@ggyuno9698]

That's more like it, no screensaver!

[@GhostyChives]

I guess order of operations has lost all meaning.

[@illusorywall]

Oh probably, I'm not very good at math. But if you understand how it should be better written, then hopefully that means I explained it well enough.

[@GhostyChives]

@@illusorywall Was just making a joke lol. Love your content.

[@r.graves5531]

Honestly fuck that remake. They changed everything. Art Direction, atmosphere, character faces, characters clothes, lighting, monster designs, and even the damn music but they didnt wanna create a 6th arch stone because they didnt want to take "creative liberties". Ruined everything and added nothing.

I don't think they ruined everything honestly, and I say as a Demon's Souls fan. They did fuck up a lot of enemy and boss designs for the worse, and the music was made too bombastic, but I don't think is a horrible rendition. Now, the 6th Archstone thing is fucking stupid and it's the worst part of the remake; they clearly had the possibility and the talent to create it. Unless Miyazaki didn't want them to make it.

[@r.graves5531]

@well lets see the uhh Music is wrong Lighting is wrong Enemy design is wrong The architecture is wrong The character design is wrong The armosphere is borked What did they get right exactly? Now most people who play demons souls are playing an inferior version. Thats fucked up. They shouldve just gave it the same treatment as dark souls remastered.

[@eldonhill4840]

@ This reply is way too level headed and fair for the conversation, what are you trying to pull here dude

[@fireemblemfanatic2363]

Yo the video with no audio

[@fireemblemfanatic2363]

No fr tho I tried listening to this with headphones and with speakers and the audio turned all the way up and couldn't hear a thing lol

[@40mm-Grenade]

Video has audio.

[@usagi_z184]

It has audio, if you're watching on mobile close KZbin and open it up again, that usually fixes it

[@SqualidsargeStudios]

It seems like from soft doesn’t really care about their player base anymore

[@cal5365]

shame some of the redesigned monsters and sound design is so shitty in the remake

[@lewisbirkett4428]

Creatively super lazy remake. Why go through all this effort to make a 1:1 copy that looks a bit nicer, remake should actually change bad shit from the original and bring it to modern standards

[@lewisbirkett4428]

@ Exactly. I agree REmake is a fantastic game without changing too much just touch ups. But yeah demon souls already was a great game but it did have plenty of flaws. They didn't even have to add new content but they could have improved upon weaker areas/bosses and it would have made so much more impact than waiting 10 years for a texture pack

[@lewisbirkett4428]

@ I appreciate them it's just the weird and badly designed elements that are the problem. and then stuff like dragon god which really needed a complete redesign

[@lewisbirkett4428]

@ yeah its just dragon god is the face of the game on the marketing and the fight is so underwhelming. Even as a puzzle boss its not great imo you just go to the right then to the left then smack the spike.

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