Destiny 2: All My Burning Frontiers Questions, So Far

[@turboash78]

I kinda hate that I don't give a crap anymore.

[@insomniaddictesp]

I think given Bungie’s track record, I wouldn’t buy what they say is going to be delivered in the way anyone thinks. They are perpetually evasive and not transparent until they are caught in the lie.

[@BahamutBreaker]

I’m surprised by this comment. There definitely HAVE been instances where Bungie was very opaque and unethical, like the past era where Bungie throttled EXP gains to slow down the Bright Engrams drop rate for dedicated players. However, in general, and especially during the most recent era, under Joe Blackburn, I feel like Bungie has been mostly transparent and mostly committed to staying connected to the players’ community. Your comment stating that Bungie is “perpetually evasive” honestly is bull crap. I am not suggesting that Bungie is overly transparent and never makes mistakes. However, you’re going too far in your comment, and, to me, you sound immature and not particularly well-informed.

[@Axe01994]

​@@BahamutBreakeris just an opinion like everybody does. SHUT THE F*CK UP

[@aidenboyle3573]

@@BahamutBreakerthey refused to explain to us how many dungeons or raids we would get, despite everyone wanting to know. They didn’t even confirm the dungeon cadence for this year, even though everyone was asking. People are asking what the story rollout is gonna be in the future, no answers. These are all questions that needed to be answered

[@BahamutBreaker]

@@aidenboyle3573 You’re trash.

[@mycroft174]

​@@BahamutBreakerdamn dog take the Bungie boot out yo mouth

[@Aces8932]

My main concern with these expansions and updates is price point. My fear is that each will be sold for 60 or bundled for 100. If 100 gives all of the content (battle passes and such), then I'm okay with it, but I worry they will be charging more for less overall content. I'm also one of the players who are just so fatigued with the game that I'm not sure how interested I am anyway. I have been telling myself since act 2 of the current episode that I need to get back on and play to at least complete the pass, but I've had close to zero desire to actually do so.

[@LaLloronaVT]

Thankfully with doing the seasonal challenges you can blitz way past the seasonal pass tiers, that being said I’m also very fatigued with bungie’s bullshit, I genuinely still love this game and despite the gameplay issues we all know I still enjoy playing, I’m however sick and tired of management’s dumbass decision making and how just being the bare minimum of honest would be enough but they choose to be dodgy and deceptive, I’m tired of needless corporate bullshit and drama

[@martyk656]

This is 9 months to a year away. Don't worry about it and expect to be disappointed no matter how low your expectations.

[@Forcer69]

So, I’ve been doing a bit of background research and I can actually answer a few of these questions. (Gonna edit this as I watch the Video) 2:10 You actually were the one who confirmed this back at the start of August. Both Apollo and Behemoth will have a new Destination and Raid. For Dungeons, my prediction is if they’re going back to the shadokeep design (like you said) then dungeons will be part of the DLC. I can see them removing dungeon keys to clean up the monetization, but also as a way to increase expansion price. Apollo may be a $20 DLC, add the dungeon now it’s $30. 4:18 They didn’t mention raid lairs in the post, but that seems unlikely since they discontinued raid lairs for dungeons. A lot of people don’t know this, but Dungeons are pretty much identical to how raid lairs used to be, from length, loot and encounter design. Only difference is one is for 3 players the other is for 6. 4:57 I kind of answered this above, but at minimum each DLC will probably be $30. ($20 DLC with a $10 Dungeon). I don’t know what they’re doing for the deluxe edition since seasons are free, but the 4 battlepasses are still paid. They honestly may just sell these DLCs like they did with CoO and Warmind, where you just buy the $30 DLC and that’s it. 6:50 This is actually a leak from the day or day after the layoffs, but this new model is staying until Bungie is financially stable. Another thing to add from that leak. - New Model is a success, but Marathon is a flop (We permanently keep the Frontiers model) - New Model and Marathon are a success (We get big DLCs again) - New Model flops but Marthon succeeds (Destiny gets less support) - Both flop (probably expect the worse) This comes from the leak server, but this post was part of some of the frontiers leaks that came true. 7:06 Story is only part of the expansions now, the 4 updates that happen every 3 months are pretty much going to be like Into The Light/Forsaken seasons where it’s gameplay focused. But, from what I heard, there is one opening mission that just explains why you’re doing this content. 8:18 Yes it does mean new patrol zones. Another thing to add, D2 Mars is the third smallest patrol zone in the franchise (right behind Titan and Mercury). So we’ll probably get 2 small destinations a year instead of a medium size one like The Throne World or Neomuna. 10:23 The only content I believe that is confirmed is the Harbinger exotic mission. Back at the start of 2023 they said Hawkmoon and DMT would be added to crafted, we got DMT and the return of presage. Harbinger is also the only “Traditional,” exotic mission in the DCV, so it’s probably a higher priority than other content. 11:37 I noticed this with the start of TFS, but it seems Bungie is putting way more resources into exotic mission content than previous years. For example - Beyond Light had 2 (Harbinger and Presage) - Witch Queen had 2 (Vox Obscura and Seraph Shield) - Lightfall had 2 (Avalon and Starcrossed) technically 3 if you include Wetstone, but it’s not a traditional mission - The Final Shape will have 4 (Dual Destiny, Encore, and one for both episode 2 & 3, this is confirmed via the episode promotion they made) I can see the exotic missions for Frontiers being free content releases that just randomly release like Whisper and Zero Hour. 12:05 It’ll probably be the same pass as before, the exotic is instantly unlocked for paid or tier 35/45 for free. Legendary weapons will most likely just be some static rolls. I do want to note legendary weapon ornaments. This is something Bungie actually discontinued with Beyond because of sunsetting, so getting legendary weapon ornaments back in the battlepass makes me happy. 13:28 I think the tier system was confirmed for Echoes loot and onwards only. 14:40 I got nothing here. My prediction though, is probably just more powercreep. I can see them letting us get 6 x100 stats with Tier 5 armor.

[@realtuber101]

This honestly makes me wonder: If the mobile game is indeed real, what exactly is its place in it all? Will it help fund both games or not? I'm also curious if that's even possible to release it BEFORE either Frontier's starts or Marathon's release, seeing as we don't have a confirmation and thus no idea on how far along in development it is if it's real

[@kamilandzi]

>but this new model is staying until Bungie is financially stable. Didnt that leak also include something about people in general not being big into purchasing one massive expansion a year anymore? Or was it something else and I'm misremembering. And that being a part of why they're downsizing honesty I hope they would keep this model and maybe experiment with it further rather than go back to one big expansion and year of seasons.

[@novamorph]

i highly doubt it will be 20-30. $40 for base and $60 for the big edition or $60 base $80 big edition is what id expect from the pricing management at bungie ( they said itll be around shadowkeep size, not CoO and Warmind size)

[@The_Gravemind]

I've also been doing a lot of research and have come to the conclusion that the entirety of the destiny fan base is riddled with Stockholm Syndrome and absolute incompetence. You're one of 'em. 🤡🤡🤡

[@hectornieves537]

"D2 Mars" most definitely smaller than Titan or Mercury patrol was. I actually had stuff to do then now we "patrol D2 Mars" to just shape weapons.

[@CyberZero232]

Maybe I'm miss remembering but i thought Bungie had said that making a reprised raid is nearly equal to making a new one with how much work it is. So if that stays true, it wouldn't completely surprise me if we are getting two raids

[@JPOG7TV]

They said that for armour. That’s why we almost never get d1 armour back in Destiny 2. They basically have to build it up again from scratch.

[@Welverin]

@@JPOG7TV They've said it about everything. The engine update that came with Shadowkeep precludes them from just straight porting old content into the game.

[@SpeedroidTerrortop]

What about an old D2 raid? D1 raid makes sense tho

[@EliteEpicGamerz]

Im unsure if it has been said specifically about raids but this is true. They have to rebuild the entire arena and encounters from scratch and we've seen how they even have to redesign encounters too. I think the easiest part of making the reprised raids for them is they can skip the drawing board phase which i can imagine takes quite a bit of time

[@Welverin]

@@SpeedroidTerrortop Same thing, anything from before the engine update that came with Shadowkeep needs updating before being added or brought back.

[@TheSmurf1973]

Who really thinks we're getting 2 raids and 2 dungeons every year??? That's just dumb.

[@kingdomkey2011]

We all know Bungie can’t release 2 good/ decent DLCs back to back. On that note, I don’t have high hopes for Apollo unfortunately.

[@Votrae]

So much discussion around content quantity, I'm more focused on replayability and mileage. WQ, LF, TFS Campaigns were a huge amount of content for players, and consumed huge dev resources (per Bungie). But how often do I replay them? Almost never. It's not Bungie's fault that I fell in love with roguelikes and procedural-dungeon ARPG games. But it's still making really it hard for me to enjoy handcrafted, hard scripted D2 activities. Living challenge and actual exploration is what hooked me on Destiny-adjacent [3rd person sci-fi looter game]. I think it could do wonders for this game

[@sauceinmyface9302]

I have to agree so much. Part of Destiny's eternal issue is content churn. We eat through content so fast, that they have to try to make a bunch of filler. Cutscenes of basic character animation and dialogue, flying back and forth to talk to NPCs, repeat a mission each week with maybe some dialogue changes. Part of this design philosophy is based on MMO Design. In a game like FF14, once you have all the loot from a raid, you don't really have a reason to go back, except for helping others, which I'd argue is tied more to the social elements of the game. And so, the game keeps adding new content, while old content kind of fades away. Just like Destiny. This is why I'm kind of sad they never had a gamemode they just kept updating. Like, could you imagine if Dares of eternity or onslaught actually got seasonal updates. New enemies, new factions, new bosses, new arenas, new loot? Just an absolute roulette wheel of variations of what can pop up.

[@affenpissse4740]

i pretty sure there will recycle as much stuff as possible from the vault and sell it as new

[@YoNumLet]

"i pretty sure there will recycle as much stuff as possible from the vault and sell it as new" Oh boy, you are betting on a sure thing there my knowledgeable friend.

[@suchheroicnonsense7804]

I liked when the yearly update was the same cost as a new game. It made more sense that way imo.

[@justincampbell1213]

We have to switch up the armor chase w/ some combo of armor perks, set bonuses, bespoke armor mods and rare cosmetic pieces ..pls bungo

[@savagedrew]

I’m not going to lie Paul, I feel like this time next year you’ll be like “here we go again” So I’m not going to get my hopes up for anything. The fact that you or anyone has questions after that dev insight just shows they have an idea but are making the rest up. I mean that article was supposed to be what’s going to and really show us they are going to bounce back. Again, open ended answers that leave more questions.

[@YoNumLet]

Marathon is the roadblock at the moment for Bungie. After Marathon's release we will know a lot more about the future of Bungie and Destiny, you can bet on that, and it may be all bad.

[@MrProbeNWatch]

I really dont need to sit through another rotation of destinys identity crisis only for them to come out and say it was "too much work and hard to keep up" The final shape ended so well, and I'll park that there and wish them the best

[@oroborus4113]

i know a lot of weird people say mean things to you but ive gotta say it thnx for sticking with us on a hectic declining game.

[@DissObey]

A big burning question that has not been asked yet is "What are we loosing to make room for all this?" Remember a while ago Joe mentioned something about loosing both EDZ and Nessus along with all activities on the destinations, Sunsetting 2.0 is in the future and that went down so well the first time...

[@ShaBoop11]

I'd support sunsetting or a hard reset. Most people are using the same guns and the same gear even if new shit comes out so might as well wipe it all. You d2 nerds are way to attached to your gear

[@ogLenas]

Cite your Joe claims.

[@DissObey]

@@ogLenas Was said during a stream over on twitch after the state of the game outcry where joe was communicating while playing d2, under the "destiny2team" account which does not save past streams. I will try to find a reupload version of it.

[@markwarnken4711]

Hopefully playstation 4 and Xbox one ...

[@robbier3785]

Losing?

[@GeremyG]

So it sounds like a hybrid of the current seasonal model and the old release strategy of launch D1 and D2 with smaller DLCs like Curse of Osiris and Warmind.

[@Welverin]

Yes, but I expect these expansions to fall between those DLCs and the yearly expansions we've been getting.

[@AzraelAvern]

Give two perks to each piece of armor and make high stat armor a little more reliable so that getting good armor perks on a bad stat roll doesn’t ruin it having armor perks would literally give an incentive to seek new armor, not as substantial as an exotic perk but enough to feel worth it

[@liquidrufus]

Alot of talk hopefully they can execute. The part that rubbed me the wrong way is they kept bringing up things we have good associations with (dreaming city) Yeah thats neat but Luke Smith said himself to never expect another Dreaming City.

[@Dryvlyne]

They should really just put the franchise on pause for a few years until they can make Destiny 3. I'm just exhausted of it all at this point. Also, there's no way they will be able to keep their promised release schedule.

[@calebwurtz]

My favorite part of the video was when Paul said “ it is my destiny 2 get these frontier questions answered. Will you join me guardians?” 0:21 I literally shed tears

[@Benjiizus]

Real 🥲

[@The_Gravemind]

play in heavy traffic 🤡

[@robbier3785]

Lmaooo!!! Whhaatt!?? 😂😂

[@steveworthington9485]

My guess after getting to know Bungie is, Its basically gonna be 2 seasons and 4 balance updates per year. 1 raid/reprised raid n maybe a new dungeon per year. And its absolutely not going to be cheaper!!

[@momomichael2262]

thanks paul PLEASE keep talking about the equal(ish?) pricing despite the cutback on quantity and quality of content (this is not sarcasm)

[@nickg8100]

We definitely aren’t getting 2&2 You’re correct. The plurality comes from a raid and dungeon, not multiple if each. The only way we get 2 raids is if they pull one out of the vault and dust it off

[@fyzxnerd]

I feel like Bungie has just overreached and really needs to trim down things that are similar in the game and focus those efforts. The "Exotic Missions" are basically dungeons without an Armor set, I enjoy them on the same level, and I don't think that's a bad thing. When they said "They built the biggest Exotic mission evar!" I just asked... "so why isn't it a full dungeon?." Focusing on Solo, Fire team, Raid Team, "Brigade" (12 person activities) is a great way to divy up the content and I think can really help to streamline the matchmaking and rewards. That being said: Battlegrounds are Strikes, they need to stop kidding themselves on the name distinction unless there's some Legal reason they can't call them Strikes. I would love to see them make a playlist that includes past Seasonal activities, sprinkle a little bit of text/voice that makes them feel repeatable, and throw it in a playlist that cycles 1 minute between the end of missions.

[@danielwareking]

The biggest way they could fuck this up is not just rolling dungeons into the cost of the expansions. Like that is such a no-brainer.

[@AlphaSilverhawk]

The thing that does not make sense to me is their commitment to 2 expansions a year. They essentially already tried to do that (Curse of Osiris and Warmind), when they had Activision behind them, with lots more access to development resources. Now that they have much less resources, especially after the layoffs, I don’t see a world where they make high quality expansions twice a year, when they were already struggling to make one a year (pushing back expansions). I just think they’re biting off more than they can chew with their roadmap, and I anticipate that this will change as we get closer to the first expansion.

[@realtuber101]

It's a combination of things. First, those were trying to add more gameplay AND story AND cinematic cutscenes that built up the story AND new gear. Whereas with these, they've already confirmed it'll be more playable stuff than anything else. So there's no need to write an expansive story through and no need for indepth animations. I could MAYBE see us getting more of those onxy stone type of cutscenes but it'll only be 1 per. If you take all of this into account and remember that since then the engine has changed and at least SOME stuff it still there with more experience under their belt with developing for the game.

[@Votrae]

For argument's sake I gotta disagree about the reduced resources you mentioned. Bungie was in a binding contract with ATVI, and that expanded their toolbox, yes. But Bungie IS Sony now, and with that, Sony owns the Destiny IP entirely. Sony has vast dev resources, and obviously they aren't beholden to a Destiny = Bungie whatsoever. Maybe not in Bellevue, but Sony could 100% be building Destiny 3 in a different studio of theirs. COD does this every year, hell even Fallout did it.

[@FlashesSoccer011]

​@Votrae your comment is just nonsense. Part of the Bungie acquisition by Sony was the understanding that Sony wouldn't interfere with destiny 2. This game is going to fail no matter what happens. And COD is one of the worst gaming franchises over the past half decade or so. They just completely ripped people off with their last "new game" and should have been sued for it. Referencing them does nothing to reassure anyone that Destiny has any sort of a future.

[@FlashesSoccer011]

​@@realtuber101all of this is just further confirmation that these expansions will be horrible. No one is paying $40 or more for a smaller expansion with no story line.

[@FLINTZ]

And so goes the vicious cycle of this game that so many fall for. Game does well, nothing happens, game does badly, Bungie makes statement on how to make it better again. This has got to be like the 10th or so time this has happened. Forsaken, Sunsetting, Curse of Osiris, PvP, Gambit, FOMO, Transmog, Eververse/monetization, mods, crafting, formulaic seasons, layoffs, Episodes/Acts, Bright Engram XP throttling, Festival of the Cost, The Dawning, Removing Crimson doubles and it goes on and on. And every single time Bungie talks about "fixing" the game, most people believe them... even after everything that's happened. I'll say this, so long as Parsons is in charge, Destiny 2 is screwed.

[@jibbibious]

It’s closer to the 50th time this has happened

[@FLINTZ]

@@jibbibious Seriously. Like when is it enough? I get people love this game and I even though I quit playing almost a year ago, I still love what it is at its core. But aren't they sick of it being rebooted 6 billion times? It's one of reasons why I ditched the game entirely.

[@OldBoydudeman]

At this point, I think that over the course of the next year or so Bungie are going to be throwing a whole lot of shit at the wall to see what sticks as they have a hell of a lot of clawing back to get people on board with the game again.

[@mr.gameandteach7197]

Destiny is literally one of the best games ever made, but bungie haven't solved the problem of meaningful reasons to play the game. Once we get the loot we want (armor and weapons) what else is there for us to play for? They took strike specific loot/cosmetics and locked them behind a paywall. They took the joy out of getting exotic items, they took the joy out of cosmetics, and they took the joy out of the gameplay. If bungie would stop worrying about content to play and shift their focus to meaningful rewards, I think they'd get a good number of players back. Bring back shiny weapons and give us a new rarity of weapons and armor. Rework armor, please God. I've had the same armornon for 3, almost 4 years. All other armor is instant dismantle. Give us some kind of endgame system like paragon boards from Diablo 4. Or even the champion system like ESO. Give us a reason to play again. Add a weapon attachment system from division 2. The game is fun, but when you are at the end of the game you don't have anything to grind for even though you have so much content to play.

[@sauceinmyface9302]

I think they have a very hard challenge of balancing meaningful grind and QOL. Remember how we used to need to farm kills for our crafted and red border guns to make progress? Or how the transmog system was way more complicated before? Technically used to be reasons to play, even if it was just farming kills. But it was annoying as hell, so they fixed it. Same goes for rewards in general. A lot of stuff drops vendor specific engrams now, rather than direct loot. So instead of checking a roll before you dismantle it into oblivion, you throw it onto the stack of 99 engrams you'll never focus. Technically QOL, but lessens the loot chase. I agree that there needs to be more layers of RNG to armor and weapons. We have too much control over them with weapon crafting and high stat focusing. And at this point, crafted weapons are so powerful that the only thing to powercreep them is more crafted weapons. But I do have to say, the content we have right now kind of sucks. There is limited replay value for most of it, and there is a lot of churn. Stuff that is made is not incrementally improved, instead being replaced by new stuff. Dares of Eternity, Onslaught, Pantheon, Menagerie, Forges, none of it really got updated with the times. Even the Nightfalls playlist doesn't get updated as often as they should. My hope is that the loot is improved with more incremental variations, with more rare cosmetics to chase, and a focus on activities we have that can be updated instead of replaced. But Bungie has been unable to do that over the last 5+ years of seasonal updates, with more staff and more money. So... I don't know.

[@mr.gameandteach7197]

@sauceinmyface9302 I totally agree. They listened to the community about the annoying aspects of the game without asking what would happen to the loot chase and rewards if they do what they do. Destiny has turned into a currency simulator more than a looter shooter. Overall, Destiny 2 needs a face lift, and this "frontiers" is the perfect time to do it. Give us layers to armor and weapons. Create new alien armor and weapons. Make the players sunset our old gear. Sunsetting has been part of gaming since the beginning of time. It was always up to the players to do it, though. The devs would create more exciting loot to chase, and we would naturally leave our old stuff behind without feeling like we wasted our time. I think a cool idea that bungie could implement would be an infusion system, but instead of just infusing for a number, we could fuse gear together to create new weapons and armors with new effects. Take attributes and such from one weapon and give it to another one. Other MMOs do something like this, and it would really step the game up and keep the loot chase alive. No loot would feel useless. To increase weapon levels and such, we go back to the old days of leveling them and even leveling the actual perks. I feel the content in the game they have currently is good. They absolutely could bring back some sunset stuff and put a fresh coat of paint on them. Lastly. I think procedural generation is in bungies' future for Destiny. Running the same areas doing the same things is tiresome. Procedural generation is the next evolution in destiny's future. Bungie has a great product and needs to refocus on the player engagement and reward factors. Right now, we have a checklist currency simulator. We need an engaging game with meaningful rewards dropped from activities we do. The tougher the activities, the better the stuff. Not stuff dropped in engrams.

[@sircosta6200]

Imagine crafted armor!!

[@mr.gameandteach7197]

@sircosta6200 you missed the entire point. Relying on crafted gear solely kills games. There has to be a bit of RNG in games, or else the chase evaporates like it currently has. Crafting needs to be seen as a means until you get a better item from a endgame activity. It should be an entry weapon but not the holy grail.

[@Mbaron623]

As for the armor grind, if they added a few perks that can roll on armor similar to the seasonal perks but are in affect all the time I’d be content.

[@icarusrising2787]

I really wouldn't mind smaller size locations that open up more as time goes on

[@ryanlyvers8145]

getting reprised D2 raids before machine would be crazy

[@FlashesSoccer011]

They have said in the past that raid is never coming back.

[@ryanlyvers8145]

@@FlashesSoccer011 they have said and done alot of things and went back on many of them. my statement stands

[@ryanlyvers8145]

@@FlashesSoccer011 they have said in the past that "ice breaker" is never coming back. Just one example lol 🤣

[@velkana]

d2 raids you cannot play anymore, you can play wrath of the machine right now. there's no reason to bring back the d1 raids before raids that we cannot fucking play anymore.

[@ryanlyvers8145]

@@velkana play on a less played game with outdated systems and mechanics on an outdated system i agree we never should have gotten destiny 1 raids brought back to begin with but rather then give any time to bringing back whats been done away with make new content even over destiny 2 raids coming back. but my statment still stands they should bring back/update wraith before bringing D2 raids back. just because you can play it on ps4 is kinda meaningless when we are talking about reprised raids in the first place seeing as how they have already brought back raids you can play on destiny one.

[@MichaelZeagler]

Id really like it if they brought back the mission from season of the splicer where we take down Quria. It was a big lore payoff, it was a great encounter with unique mechanics, and the voiceovers were top tier. Such an absurd thing to throw out.

[@whiterose2321]

I always thought that mission could’ve been a whole new strike, it’s got the pacing and layout of one

[@MichaelZeagler]

@@whiterose2321 totally! It'd fit right in in the vanguard playlist.

[@masterSageHarpuia]

They have been two raids a year, a new one and co a reprised one. It seems plausible that scourge of the past would be the next raid since they brought the marauders back.

[@kanon6362]

I 'm concerned about them overloading the Eververse...sure fashion is cool, but they've de-valued the items by overloading us with waaaaaaaay too much shit. It doesn't help that there's no way to focus for things we ACTUALLY WANT, and it's especially egregious that a lot of stuff CAN'T even be earned, only PURCHASED WITH SILVER. Ugh. So stinky....

[@ek9750]

Honestly 2 big updates a year is what I've always wanted for destiny 2 instead of the seasonal slop but given that it's bungie and the current situation I will be very skeptical

[@BahamutBreaker]

These are mostly good questions, Paul. You do know Bungie has, like, nine months to answer these questions (and more), right?

[@naiko8412]

Just don’t think about it honestly its over a year a way lets see if we even get to that point cause if the episode content doesn’t keep us going for the entire year then it wont even matter and if the player counts continue to fall it wont matter at all

[@Dryvlyne]

Also, here's a hot take, they should STOP making Raids. They take a disproportionate amount of time & resources to make and only a small percentage of the already small remaining overall population plays them.

[@icarusrising2787]

I'd thought to agree but yk what else takes a disproportionate amount of time away from other things in destiny? The four or five incubation projects they had going while destiny was funding it all.

[@l3fari0us42]

I don't think that removing an experience that made Destiny special is the right call. Plus although its population is smaller compared to the rest of the game, most content creators and players that are extremely invested in the game tend to enjoy them and by removing them you risk losing these people

[@NevinDouglas82]

I’m theory, I am 100% ok with no more campaigns. Bungie’s track record with campaigns since D1 is abysmal. They did a great job with Taken King, Forsaken’s campaign was good (it’s the post-campaign content which made that expansion so great IMO), Witch Queen had decent storytelling but the campaign itself is wildly overrated, and Final Shape had a very good campaign, but again not as good as the hype around it suggests (all IMO). All the other campaigns have been bad or worse. Considering how much of the studio’s manpower and resources have gone into those campaigns over the years, one could easily argue that all that dev power could have been better spent on other content.

[@joerogo92]

Armor needs some TLC. Once you have a decent set with artifice, your builds are golden and any marginal changes you'd see by upgrading a few stat points aren't worth the chase it would be to get it. Ive been using the same armor sets for over 2 years now and haven't needed or wanted to change it

[@raysolo137]

I want them to focus on innovating Ritual playlist. It is something that people play when there is nothing to do but 2/3 of it has been abandoned for 4 years now. I'm fine with less content. Quality > Quantity. Edit: They already confirmed that there won't be any timegating. They don't want to stick to one formula. Instead of bending the story to this formula they are going to tell the story the way it is supposed to be told.

[@Golet234-2]

funny thing is the answer is RIGHT THERE, i loved how strikes in D1 could have different variations, really wish they would do stuff like that

[@agalianar]

This mofos will want 40€ for each "expansion"

[@atiskidd]

Bungie still have two more episodes to develop so not counting on the future being so bright as Bungie is trying to convey with the future of Destiny. I can't imagine the "major expansions" being any larger than Episodes now considering the other things they want to proptoype like roguelike elements and the like. In any event, they will have a hard time bringing in new players and retaining the old. Going into the Final Shape, half the core playerbase was decimated already and from the sounds of it, they're only going to continue to make Destiny a harder game which means casuals will just throw their hands up and move on.

[@FaolanKitekaze]

It really only seems Bungie is changing up how content is delivered and not the content itself

[@ColeVanWieringen]

Here is my quick armor rework. All sets have an intrinsic trait that has a percentage increase based on the number of the set you have equipped. Maybe have the full set be a big enough increase that you might consider not using an exotic. You may choose a hybrid of sets for stat boosts etc Anyway, stand alone SRL game please.

[@CJM738]

Non linear is probably close to the start of D4. Can do Act 1-3 in any order but the end is linear.

[@KitkatSarge]

I say a whole leviathan raid and make it a whole open space(like 6 man patrol team) add thr raid lairs as secret bosses to fight if we do certain hidden secrets along the leviathan and we fight Calus Bot at the end or maybe a whole new boss fight for why we have the leviathan back.

[@kd-pt1zy]

Bungie needs to show more action then words espically since what happened post final shape. With too many questions isnt enough to win players back. They also said sudject to change. Main because of lack of resourses. I just want to see more. If I am going come back after the last episode. Again thank you. I always enjoy hearing your content.

[@crithon]

yeah, I'm curious about Armor chase, I'm still rocking gear from Season of Worthy. Sure you can get random rolls or high stats from difficulty.... but there hasn't been anything like 72 pts on new stuff. Build crafting is still a lot harder than it looks, and some of the rolls we get are still "meh" and it's been 3 years since something good has droped

[@bachpachary]

I can see a world where they shift monetization focus to cosmetics, where we will see most if not all of the good=looking cosmetic items in Destiny put in the shop with more gameplay content being made free/cheaper to drive a higher player count

[@bobbycorno5800]

They charged us more and gave us less in TFS. I’m not spending anymore. Fun 10 years but it’s time to move on.

[@Jon0387]

For new locations, there’s still a lot of moons we haven’t visited yet in Sol. I don’t think we are going outside the system with the scale this update.

[@juicyzuesy722]

Why are people accepting reprised gear and re used assets?! People are paying for content they've already been charged for months and years ago, if I pay for an expansion I expect all new gear and assets, it's supposed to be an expansion of the existing game not the same game with different skins and shaders!

[@christopherlandrith658]

I wonder if i will ever get my raid jacket with all these lay offs and the cluster fuck at bungie ill be luckiy if i get it in a year

[@darrellhood5430]

I stopped playing last year because I was over the paying for things I already paid for and now I bet they do it more....pay $100 for 2 raids and 2 dungeons and we get 1 new raid and a old raid....STOP BUYING STUFF WE ALREADY PAID FOR

[@silviofancyboy]

I agree these questions need to be asked and people are so fearful of bad news they have their ears plugged and are ‘la la la I’m not listening’ And I think you’re right I would bet it’ll still be $100 for way less content, probably giving us 1 raid and 1 dungeon the whole year. These are things that Bungie need to be more clear about

[@TelosBudo]

There'sx definitely going to be story gaps for 6 months, with an exotic mission spaced out between

[@nickg8100]

Bungie turns up the grind much more or separates the power gap much more they’re going lose even more people. I like that once I have grinded good armor I don’t to go back.

[@starkraven1148]

My guess for reprised activities is probably sundial or escalation protocol. We already have the play space for ep on the mars battleground. That would be far easier to drop

[@pharcyder7554]

Game gonna be on life support by then

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

tier systems are just gacha chase crap.

[@EliteBlackSash]

If they truly plan to give more content for free, then I can absolutely see them selling Dungeons and then developing 2 Raids so they can sell them in a pack. Dungeon Pass, Raid Pass, Season Pass and a Bundle of all 3.

[@edgecrusherhalo]

It’s good that they gave us the info that they did, but it’s really vague and doesn’t instill a lot of confidence in me about the next year like when they showed us named expansions leading up to Final Shape. That being said, they did say they wanted to bring back a sense of mystery and exploration and in that case they can’t be detailed. I like that they want to do that and I hope that they can pull it off but I still don’t have a lot of confidence in the future of the game at the moment.

[@bourdieufan7433]

well done paul tassi

[@roryshields3805]

Why does "burning frontiers" sound like a cooler name for this?

[@oliverseiler2871]

Just let the game die.

[@CaptainCanuck68]

How about you just walk away and let the rest of us continue to enjoy it?

[@oliverseiler2871]

@@CaptainCanuck68 sorry if you are upset because of a comment about a game.

[@daltonthomas5723]

​@oliverseiler2871 sorry bungie ruined your life lil bro I hear warframe is good try that lil buddy

[@oliverseiler2871]

@@daltonthomas5723 you are salty because of a comment about a game. Thats sad.

[@daltonthomas5723]

@@oliverseiler2871 not even bro, Im rubber youre glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. Who salty now playa

[@Metal4ever69]

What ever they put out I will buy becuase I love this game

[@scottholland4415]

And that's part of the problem. People are weirdly fiercely loyal to bungie and I just don't get why. If it was any other company pulling these shenanigans, they'd rightly be called out for it. Bungie seem to get a free pass for some reason.

[@Metal4ever69]

@@scottholland4415 that because some of us love this game in all of its iterations. Destiny is the best it’s ever been. You don’t like it? Go play something else

[@scottholland4415]

@@Metal4ever69 if that's your defence, it kind of proves my point...

[@martyk656]

@@scottholland4415 For sure. "Go play something else!" - Over 100 million have done just that since 2014. Imagine if Bungie had capitalized on the potential of Destiny instead of slowly pissing it all down the drain. But the addicts keep telling their fellow gamers to leave because they can't stand hearing criticisms of their beloved.

[@scottholland4415]

@@martyk656 they also assume that we don't like destiny either. Do they not think that we do and that we know bungie can do better than this?

[@Dredgen_Rell]

Am I the only one who says "Damage" instead of "D-M-G" when talking about Dillion?

[@nickg8100]

Dungeon weapons need to be craftable. Change my mind.

[@minghoe-zv9ph]

It will cost more

[@blakebigred]

They also have to make a new exotic for Wrath if it comes back since Outbreak has been in D2 forever

[@FlashesSoccer011]

They already said it's not coming back. People need to let it die.

[@flyingparkinglot1530]

They’re going to twitch con to hire more staff 🤣🤣🤣 All these promotions and trips and charity events…this money has to be coming from somewhere 🤔 Almost 300 laid off and they still have the cash…Seattle is something else I tell ya. All I know is the airports always smell like piss, it rains a lot and it’s a hipster breeding ground lmao

[@Vkenlly]

Anyone interested in a Halo 3 WetaWorkshop, Destiny 2 fallen captain, or Harley Quinn statue ? All 3 pieces need a new home + love the videos ❤

[@Spiderjohn138]

Will they still bundle both expansions together and attempt to monetize them like they always have? Or will they keep them separate?

[@VidWasTaken]

There has literally never been a single instance of two new raids being 1.5 years apart. Where is that math coming from??

[@uniqueidentity1362]

Their delivery will be excessive hard content...which most players left cause content is so difficult even on normal modes...and that doesn't give a large player base the chance to enjoy the game....let the die hard gamers that want to die to one shot enemies and splash damage have it in master BS but give your bigger player base a enjoyable chance to do things in this game.

[@chantos14]

Given a choice between WOTM returning or any of the D2Y1 raids coming back, I'm gonna want Wrath to take priority. Idc if it doesn't fit lore-wise or why there's been no mention of SIVA existing up until this point. Just give me Wrath back. Sigh, idk. This all is a giant mess that Bungie leadership has made, and anything that the dev team says will be HEAVILY scrutinized. For better or for worse. I don't know if there is anything that they could realistically do to win back the player base that planned to leave after TFS was over & done with. All the articles they dropped very much seems like more of the same vague, empty promises we've been through before. People are tired of it. I get it, everything they announce is subject to change, but how many times can they regurgitate the same talking points over the past 10 years before we stop rolling our eyes until we see actual proof? I hope whatever they have planned is genuinely awesome. But anything short of genuinely awesome will just be another L Bungie takes.

[@JamieMcG7]

A reprised raid definitely doesnt take as much effort as a new one, you literally know what it looks like and are copying it, i mean even it they cant port which I doubt as the Out of Bounds on Kings Fall were identical to D1's, Faplen Saber having Collision issues and weird lookiny enemy darkness doors I think it would be easier maybe not much but definitely a bit easier

[@absencesilhouette8048]

I hate watching destiny content videos from this dude now... i feel like Paul gets lost in the weeds to much with direct comparisons to things we've alrdy had... in doing that... the scale back on content almsot to people that think about this and other specifics to much aswell as scale. Feeling like he's asked alot of questions that are almsot uneeded and or self explanatory.

[@kcisthe1st]

If your critique then in any way it's harassment. Since 2021 Bungie has made it very clear they are making a game(s) THEY want with little regard to the community. They just want our money to make stuff that they want to make. Notice none of those new projects were tailored for the D2 community all those projects were to create new communities.

[@LegendOfFarore]

from what i understood the only story is coming from expansions. the seasons have no story at all and are literally just an activity to do and that's it. with no time gating that means we have like 2 weeks of content to play each expansion until we have everything done and just nothing to do after that like we did is coo and wm. coo was finished in 3 hours then there was literally not a single thing to do until wm came out6 months later. bungie CANNOT afford for the game to be that dry again if player engagement is the biggest problem so my bet is on the positive side it's looking like this new model may get 8 to 12 weeks gameplay total for the year. maybe a 3 to 4 weeks per expansion then maybe a week or 2 for the mid-season update. on the bad end it would be just a week to finish the expansion and seasonal mission then no reason to play at all again till the mid-season update which will probably be only another week and that's it. people hate time gating but without it there's nothing to do after the first couple weeks. i didn't mind time gating at all. gives you a reason to log on every week.

[@johnromando61794]

In regards to the story part, it really feels like there won’t be story components to the major updates and what they hope will keep players around is the activities they make and that the replayability of those activities

[@naiko8412]

Just don’t think about it honestly its over a year a way lets see if we even get to that point cause if the episode content doesn’t keep us going for the entire year then it wont even matter and if the player counts continue to fall it wont matter at all, also my bigges question is how focused is the Macro transactions

[@Dredgen_Rell]

4:10 didn't raid lairs just end up becoming dungeons?

[@Bladedanced]

I stopped playing during act 1 because well... it was terrible. Been playing since the beginning and the more time that goes by, the more content i am letting the game go completely. Destiny's path forward is nothing good for us gamers. Less content, more paid stuff, no story, lack of raids. (Reprised raids dont count. As far as im concerned they should all be re released alongside new stuff.)

[@FlashesSoccer011]

Its over, guys. Nothing about frontiers even looks remotely promising (most of it looks pretty bad actually), and id be surprised if the game even makes it that far. Everything since episode 1 started has been a massive failure. All of the balance and sandbox chsnges have been shit, the episode activities are shit, the episode story is even worse than shit, and the new exotic mission is bad. Finsl Shape was awesome, but it was so clearly the end. This game has no future.

[@robertdewolfe1654]

Im assuming the tier (5) weapons all begin at the currently "enhanceable" type of weapons. And the soft sunset happens to all non enhanceable

[@ravenouscadaver8]

Paul, I am once again asking you to say "burger king foot lettuce" in your next video

[@seanoconnor3164]

I bet these do come out on time, they're not changing the game anymore. Its all maintenance now.

[@mattyv4381]

I'm assuming by "raids and dungeons" they mean one expansion will have a raid and the other a dungeon. So 1 each per year.

[@adrianyoyo3635]

If it's still 100 bucks it's dead

[@dominush4056]

Bungie sucks.

[@AJG7304]

bro did you see the content map? def doesn't look like less than we have been getting.

[@scottholland4415]

Two shadowkeep size dlc is not as big as one full expansion.

[@AJG7304]

if the are dialing back on campaign stuff, two raids makes since cause they'll have more resources to dump into them. i think, like usual, you are wrong and overly negative.

[@jamesfinley5339]

Good job Paul bungie seem to be over optimistic as usual . It's getting to be that you need a PhD just to play this game effectively. What happened to fun and intriguing story mode. Too much looter shooter not enough story depth and engagement. Now we can wipe a whole screen with a push of a button ? Where does that story lead and why no guided narrative so we know what the he'll we're doing. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose . Vote for more and get less

[@ShadowDragon410]

Gernaderjake on his stream like 30 minutes ago said he went to a creator summit and he's super hyped about the future of the game. I'm curious about what's coming, or if they just sold them on frontiers instead.

[@kcisthe1st]

Grenader Jake is a shill. Anybody not telling Bungie to get rid of the romance stories is a shill. From reading comments and playing with people in lfg I have never once heard that anyone likes the romance/emotional stories.

[@BlackKnight345]

How many times we get that "super hyped" quote or something similar from a Streamer and then goes to shit.

[@theknightjester]

Paul Shilly excited for more Destiny. Maybe theyll throw another woke faction in there for you kitty. 😂

[@mcleary9615]

Give us a forge world type mode plz n thx