Destiny Debates Former FOX AND FRIENDS Co-Host

[@DonJosesito]

It's good to see a cordial chat between two powerful and independent women.

[@catharinrin]

a win for white women representation

[@DonJosesito]

@@dzed5579 I bet you wish you could be funny just once.

[@MarillSweatshirt]

People like a good catfight.

[@Nobody-pv9jt]

@@dzed5579 If you did, maybe your wish might come true

[@nmk5003]

She has no idea what she is talking. She lost the healthcare debate in first five minutes.

[@LNMBEATS]

As a highschool dropout i can confirm that its fucking hard to get anywhere without that piece of paper that means nothing to her

[@Silverwidows]

I did a degree in computer science, but I run my own unrelated business. That degree though is still there if my business fails, and it also lead me down the path of finding cryptocurrency early which paid for my house. Thanks to university for that

[@andrewcox5873]

Take two resumes that are exactly the same, except one has a college degree and the other one doesnt, and see which one gets more interviews. Simple as that

[@andrewcox5873]

@Savior Money Skin color might matter more, but you cant change your skin color, you can change whether or not you have a college degree. Its a hypothetical so for the sake of discussion assume its a STEM degree in a relevant field

[@bigcrackrock]

It's about having a solid plan. Without one you'll most likely be fighting an uphill battle either way. One of my old friends dropped out first chance to start building up money and has been doing pretty good for himself for a while now. A lot of people live rent free for years and could easily pay off a house by 30 with almost any old job but choose to piss that time and/or money away instead. If you're young and know college isn't for you then start saving up money as soon as you can. Especially if you have the chance to do it while not paying bills. Owning property and avoiding a lengthy mortgage by the time you hit 30 will put you ahead of a lot of uni grads.

[@brian8507]

@@Silverwidows nice flex

[@arms7260]

"Billionaires send their children to universities to get indoctrinated" is truly a genius take

[@jakefreas4794]

LMFAO right, this is hilarious

[@jiveturkey333333]

I mean...the reason the very wealthy send their children to these expensive universities is two-fold. One is to get a degree from a renowned university, and the accreditation which accompanies that. The other, and possibly more relevant in the given scenario, is the access to networking through various organizations with all of the alumni whom were prior graduates.

[@hotlinewav]

@@jiveturkey333333 who asked

[@majesticpbjcat7707]

@@hotlinewav I did, but my question got shadow banned.

[@jiveturkey333333]

@@hotlinewav Who asked what? Your question is very vague so it's difficult to answer, but I presume you're questioning why I commented what I did? If that is an accurate presumption then my perception after reading this was that the OP and "first" were in unanimous agreement that Jedidiah was owned by Destiny upon making this statement, but I thought some additional context and perspective could be beneficial to them or any other viewer parsing information in the comment section. I laughed when he made the comment, but that doesn't mean his comment is the only relevant framework of interpretation for that gotcha question.

[@Moped_Mike]

My father was a PhD, English Professor and HS Principal. He always told me that the most important thing a college degree does is show you’re teachable.

[@r-pupz7032]

Yes, exactly. Other than specialised fields, employers just look for any degree as it shows you are teachable and have other basic skills like organisation and the ability to apply yourself towards a goal.

[@bods4dadsaquil912]

At the expense of owing well over 50000 dollars at a job that pays enough to make payments to you die

[@didriketholm6852]

You learn how to learn.

[@JoeJ4684]

“Where are their more miserable people at? Miserable people getting their masters at Columbia? Or miserable people that are doing waitressing in New York City” Nailed it, crushed her on that question. That noise she makes at 13:43 says everything. She knew she got caught, then tried to cover by saying “Well everyone I worked with was happy.”

[@yuriajones]

I came to the comments looking for someone who referenced this point, because it really stuck out to me. Her take on college education is wild, to my mind. And Destiny truly nailed it with that question.

[@pyrosupreme4473]

Well one of them is in six digits of debt, and one of them is trying to live in New York City on waitress wages. They're both pretty fucked

[@matthewroberts3125]

I laughed so hard when she made that noise 😂

[@MondaysMakeMeVomit]

Hahahahaa that was great and of course she had to reply with an anecdote, and not even a good one. Like her fellow waitresses were going to come to work and tell her how unhappy they were if they were having problems.

[@Villifyable]

"Why can't colleges make my kid a rational free-thinking adult that has my exact same opinions about politics"

[@jorgeenchilada]

that's always bothered me about the "school is indoctrination" crowd. You just want them to believe what you believe. They don't even hide it by trying to say they want them to learn the truth or anything at this point.

[@ProperlyGaming]

Lmao "if you dont think exactly like i do then youre not rational or a free thinker"

[@taravanova]

"Everyone comes out of school and they are all saying 2+2=4. They are destroying free thought and making everyone think the same!" - This lady.

[@AK4525]

It was particularly revealing when she was blown away that destiny could hold a traditionally left leaning view (puberty blowers) and a traditionally right wing view (ritenhouse) at the same time

[@bradm6287]

And wtf is this nebulous "think for themselves" thing they always say. Come on guys, just reference your ignorance and anecdotes to figure stuff out. Think for yourself!

[@gabecoomes7841]

The "yeah i was a business major that didnt do a single internship - college is a scam" kinda speaks for itself

[@dbz287]

EXACTLY. Majoring in Spanish and marketing ??? College can feel like a scam if you major in something you just half ass pick without researching how available jobs could be.

[@amazin7006]

She tried to do marketing in fucking NEW YORK of all cities- the most competitive marketing sector in the world. What a worthless anecdote lool.

[@ll2323]

@@dbz287 literally why her husband does, who graduated from rice university.

[@jamesbarnett6772]

@@dbz287 You're highlighting the problem though. People are told they need to go to college to be successful, but many don't know what they want to do they only know they NEED to go. So they pick a useless degree without many opportunities at the end. Potentially wasting years of their life. Such people might still do better than average in lifetime earnings regardless, but I think that has more to do with the demographic of people who have the option to waste years on a useless degree. Most people from poor working class families with limited support can't jerk off in college for years to get a degree that leads nowhere. They have to go work a deadend job to make ends meet, so it's not the 'useless' degree helping, it's the background of the demographic. With the exception of stem or high demand qualifications. Virtually no one doing underwater lesbian basket weaving studies is doing better in life BECAUSE of that degree, it's due to them belonging to a privileged enough demographic to jerk off for years and still land on thier feet. Can virtually guarantee nobody from an unsupported background is better off because of a useless degree like this, assuming they had the luxury to waste years in the first place.

[@thomaswalmsley8959]

@@jamesbarnett6772 so since lesbian underwater basket weaving isn't a real thing, what are the degrees that sit in the set of "worthless" degrees?

[@BohemianKitsch]

she takes her own intelligence/education for granted, as if she would be just as informed, critical, and articulate had she never gone to college.

[@wardonthestreet]

True. But you don’t need to spend $60k to be articulate lol

[@BohemianKitsch]

@@wardonthestreet you also don't need law school in order to take the BAR exam and become a lawyer, but name 5 lawyers in the last 100 years who didn't go to law school first. in other words, just because it's possible, that doesn't make it probable. most often what you get is Dunning-Kruger morons who believe themselves to be smarter than they are.

[@wardonthestreet]

@@BohemianKitsch that was a wild comparison lol to speak as well as her, you just need to read a little bit everyday.

[@BohemianKitsch]

@@wardonthestreet what good is reading if lack a developed comprehension or critical thinking capacity? how do you develop critical thinking and comprehension unless approached directly as a discipline or challenged in debate by someone skilled? what you just described is PRECISELY what i'm criticizing. you're not making an argument, you're just repeating your opinion without considering my response. that's not intelligence, but you seem to feel like it is. that's the very problem with your idea.

[@wardonthestreet]

@@BohemianKitsch I was specifically mentioning being articulate. Paying $60k+ to be articulate is overkill. As far as "critical thinking" goes, you just simply need to be present. Once again, $60k+ to learn how to "think critically" is overkill. I wasn't here to make an argument. This is basic common sense that can be herd in the speech of prisoners before their stretch of doing nothing but pushups and reading books and after getting out. I did consider your response. That's why I said it was a wild comparison. A very poor analogy. You shouldn't have deleted it. It's ok to make poor analogies bro, destiny does it all the time lol.

[@macromunji]

The way she is hammering home her thesis, making a coherent argument, and the rhetorically effective method of bringing everything back to her main idea with 3 main "hooks" is something she probably learned in an advanced writing or public speaking class at university.

[@artilleriman]

When you realise you can learn from other places and be knowledgeable without going to the universitities

[@upbnap2119]

Probably not, I imagine she just learned it on the go in her career.

[@tyrantsmisery]

Doubtfully.

[@nathanknight6042]

No, she learned it on the job working at a news station. Not at Snowflake feminaz! University.

[@tyrantsmisery]

@@nathanknight6042 Doubtful.

[@rtmordecai1]

She’s insanely claiming that the language skills she learned in her 4.0 degree didn’t help her in MEDIA!! In her Job as a co-host!!! I can’t believe he didn’t immediately turn that around on her.

[@Silverwidows]

Very true. That spanish degree means not only did she learn about communication, she can take those skills and x2 her job oppertunities in media to a massive section of the world who speaks spanish. She could of also got very high paying jobs within government for translation, getting her to travel all over the world and translate for spanish politicians, which is a very saught after job

[@resisttheslavemind2127]

she got hired by her look not by her degree

[@wrhnews5369]

The worst lie that she told was that all her waitress friends were happy 😭😭😭😭😂

[@MarillSweatshirt]

Forreal

[@wrhnews5369]

@Millennial Smark I’m just memeing, waiters and waitresses kind of have a culture of suffering lol, but family dollar would be more like retail my dood

[@hurkamur1]

She really does make one second guess higher education though 😂

[@DirtCobaine]

@Millennial Smark that’s far different than being a waitress in New York City lol where rent for a shithole studio apartment is 2000 a month

[@damroyalty]

my exact thought as well 😂

[@stephen_blake]

Finally debating a woman, good to see Jedediah branching out

[@TheButterAnvil]

These jokes are overdone, but somehow, I didn't see this one coming

[@Mountainclimber-zv4u1]

Can someone explain this jedediah thing

[@TheButterAnvil]

@@Mountainclimber-zv4u1 think that's the woman's name. The joke is that you hear "debating a woman" and think "oh destiny is debating a woman." But actually they're referring to destiny, because destiny is a woman's name

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@@TheButterAnvil most of them are. But you can still find a diamond in the rough like this one sometimes.

[@khalilmuhammad6823]

The amount of blatant lies this lady told is amazing. "All my waitress friends in New York were happy... Doctors don't tell you to eat right and exercise..." LMAO

[@DB-rp2gj]

I mean my GP just hands me prescription meds when I talk about any issues I have. Never asked about my diet or anything, but I would still say that holistic is bs.

[@joewagner4593]

I have never seen someone move the goalposts of their OWN argument more than her.

[@Elizabeth-yy8ri]

🎯

[@Raydensheraj]

Just watch a Creationist debate for Creationism....

[@dragonore2009]

I too went to university, but it was STEM. Went for a Comp Science degree, got it, was hired as a computer programmer the week after I graduated. I too did the things Destiny mentioned, did some side projects, computer programming related and sure enough the employer wanted to know about it, showed them, and they obviously felt comfortable enough in hiring me. Still with the same company 3 years later.

[@soccerwizard975]

I did a similar path with Biochem. While my major classes built my ability to try to conceptualize and learn to ask the right questions to solve problems, my liberal arts courses, like philosophy, really injected a fresh perspective and left a more profound impact on me today.

[@tomselleck5560]

Similar story but instead of getting a comp science degree I lived in my moms spare bedroom for 5 years and became gay

[@RayCromwell]

Speaking as someone who has been an software engineer for 30 years (Math degree), I would say unless you are a dropout with a very impressive set of GitHub repos and previous work, you need a degree. Not just because the employers look for it, but because computer science is rapidly changing and simple professional training won't cut it anymore. If you want to work at a company like Google, Apple, or Microsoft, and pull down $200k+/yr or more, you need a background that prepares you for these changes. For example, take data science. AI Models are rapidly moving into low-end code generation, and it may very well be in 10 years, a lot of low hanging programming work is simply automated and fewer programmers are needed because of the amplified productivity the tooling will give. If you went to college and studied a lot of "useless" courses that don't apply to everyday corporate enterprise software, you may very well find yourself prepared for this future. When I studied Math in the 90s, it was because I *loved* math, I was passionate about it, not because it was a highly sought after degree. Back then, a Math degree got you a job as an educator or at the NSA. By serendipity, the internet revolution happened, and a lot of Math overlapped with a lot of advanced computer science. My first job out of school was working at IBM TJ Watson research on cryptodigital digital currency and checking, a predecessor to cryptocurrency today. I would say go for Breadth, rather than Depth. Learn from a wide variety of areas to maximize your chances. Just narrowly focusing on a professional degree training in one field may end up dead-ending you if the future turns out differently. College should be about exposing you to a wide variety of ideas, people, and teaching you to learn how to learn. Steve Jobs created the Mac based on a "useless" Calligraphy class he was exposed to that gave him a fascination around fonts. This conservative woman too narrowly thinks of the purpose of college as job training. I think of it as character building. And to pooh-pooh the humanities? One of the reasons why US still dominates in innovation and creativity over places like China is that the Chinese educational system is ruthlessly professional driven and regimented, they don't have the concept of "liberal arts". It is at the intersection of humanities and STEM that we see innovation. To study languages, art, philosophy, politics, psychology AND a technical field makes you better able to address the needs of people. I get why she's mad, she was deluded to think an English degree meant she could work in insurance automatically. Why didn't she do an internship at an insurance company while still in college then? Sounds to me like she just went to class, got her 4.0, but didn't do anything else?

[@tonytanner3048]

@@RayCromwell look into apprenticeships programs for skilled labour in the uk I also am a math degree holder but she is right that in the job market degrees will become 1 and undergrad will be replaced with fast track masters. Into research .

[@RayCromwell]

​@@tonytanner3048 Degrees are already declining in importance in STEM, they get you past the initial filter in a stack of resumes and into the interview, but when I interview people, I'm less concerned with your degree, and more concerned with how you do on the whiteboard, or what previous projects you've worked on. I've interviewed people who have had fantastic, pristine resumes, and then when I asked them to solve relatively simple problems, they couldn't do it. One guy I interviewed from a defense contractor had 10 years of software engineering experience, but couldn't implement a heap, or a recursive decent parser for JSON. And that's kind of the difference between 'professional' training in coding, going to do a few week course to learn HTML/JS or Java/Ruby, etc and someone who has done years of actual computer science classes. Many enterprise companies might be happy with the former, but FANG companies tend to look for 'generalists', and they want more of the latter. However, with a professional training in coding, there are ample jobs out there in the Fortune 500 space.

[@hunterdavis2896]

It’s so frustrating arguing with someone whose entire argument is based off personal anecdotes

[@Travenport]

Was also going to comment this. She made a couple valid arguments, then diluted it with her personal anecdotes.

[@LipSyncLover]

She did this debating with Hunter Avalone too. Anecdotes are fine to weave into things here and there but not when the conversation is focusing on general numbers. She doesn't know when to switch. And uses anecdotes to falsely extrapolate into generalizations

[@robbiedontmiss]

It's always art students and business majors that did no collaborations, no internships, walking around and saying college is a scam. Like of course as a marketing major, your grades don't fucking matter, your ability to market matters. Which is why every career fair at my university has business internships out the ass. Internships matter more to business majors then anyone else.

[@Wallychans]

Yup agreed. Student Loan debt relief is an abisolite scam...

[@DonkeyKongaGuru]

1,000,000%. That being said, just about every white collar job the last 2 decades requires "4 year degree or equivalent work in related field" so literally the paper of the degree is more valuable than what you learn in those classes. I'm a guy who got a 4 year degree in business economics then became a Database developer and got a second 4 year degree after working as that database developer (employer paid for the second degree) for 7 years. Job experience is way more important to employers than your degree if you've been working for any amount of time. But there is no doubt that a degree is a way more approachable and sensible path to starting a career than finding a business who will take a risk on a high school graduate and let them work a job in a field they have no experience in (or just exploit you by getting you to do a job that typically requires a degree and just pay you 20k less)

[@Wallychans]

@@DonkeyKongaGuru What you said at the end is very common. They will pick a regular kid and just pay less. Also, some employers prefer this route as college grads seem to carry higher expectations with them. They demand raises more frequently and have a lower threshold for tolerance, and bosses can’t stand folks who they know will constantly have HR down their throats.

[@majesticpbjcat7707]

Abisolitely!

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

All careers have marketing involved. I'm a mechanical engineer, but your advancement and impact are directly correlated to your ability to market your ideas and yourself. A person can be an amazing individual contributor, but they're going to be very slow to get promotions and raises if you struggle to get others onboard with your ideas or sell yourself as a person who can fulfill those high impact positions.

[@snowwoah9908]

As a medical student, listening to this discussion was infuriating. I have worked as a medical scribe in several different offices including orthopedic surgery, psychiatry, and family medicine. The notion that doctors "prioritize prescribing medication over natural solutions" is ridiculous. If a patient comes in and their blood pressure is a little high one time (controlling for white coat syndrome), the recommendation from every doctor worth their salt (lol) is diet and exercise. When patients come in a 2nd or 3rd time with HTN, then they get a diagnosis and a recommendation for medication. It is only after the failure of conservative treatment that we go to medications. Also, this kind of "conservative treatments first mentality persists in surgical settings as well. Unless you have a severe injury that requires immediate attention or a chronic history of disease with FAILURE OF CONSERVATIVE TREATMENTS, we generally recommend things like PT, weight loss through diet and exercise, braces, or local injections. No doctor is excited to jump to the biggest gun in the drawer. I can personally say that in medical school, we are taught a method based approach to treating diseases starting with the lowest level intervention first. As a side note, a lot of insurance companies won't cover medications or surgeries without failure of conservative treatments first. Sorry, for the long rant, but damn this talking point really pissed me off.

[@sadecallum]

Maybe the standard in which Dr's do things have changed. I went to over 10 Dr's this year. So many wanted to diagnose me with anxiety and fibromyalgia. I got so many prescriptions luckily I never took it. I eventually went to a chiropractor after going to a neurologist and the chiropractor figured it out. You are probably one of the good ones but I was really frustrated with my experience this year.

[@darkarchonisme]

What in the quack fuckery did a chiro do that actually helped you that you couldn't have had done by a physical therapist?

[@Michael-kp4bd]

But have you considered the convincing counter argument, “Nuh uh! Doctors don’t. Believe me.”

[@gargle0n264]

it depends on the doctor. If you are talking about a private practice, sure. If you are talking about more corporate medicine, no, you are wrong. In that case the M.O. is churn em and burn em.

[@Jim-km1xt]

@@darkarchonisme Depending on where they live, I can see that happening simply because the 10 Doctors were a mix of inept, arrogant and overworked. In rural Canada, where I live, it's not uncommon for serious conditions to go undiagnosed because the only doctors in the area are 80 years old and suffering from dementia or overworked young doctors that ignore their patients until they end up in the ER. Sorry for the rant, but regardless of how crazy chiropractic practices are, they're nowhere near as dangerous as actual medical doctors that prevent people from getting proper care.

[@dsihfisod]

Seeing that people like her managed to get into Columbia really helps my imposter syndrome

[@missinterpretation4984]

Cures it 😂

[@Wow-673]

Destiny the moment she said “watch what is gonna happen in the next 10 years” is the moment you won the debate. Conservatives rely on that argument because they can’t prove their points in the present. The data proves them wrong, they know it, so they rely on this “the future will prove me right argument” there’s no way to argue against it because it’s completely absurd to say something like that. She was 100% engaging in ego defense at that moment. Unwilling to admit she was wrong and spatted out that BS.

[@kidinnumusic]

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[@Nahstee]

Yuup. A la "QAnon"

[@laurentbergeronmusic]

I mean, Destiny has outright said that a lot of the anti-SJW stuff has proven itself to be right with time. So it's not like they have a bad track record with seeing where a slippery slope is going.

[@joefission7179]

@@laurentbergeronmusic I think Destiny is like half wrong/right on that but the difference is that the anti-SJWs were predicting a further increase of a trend they were already seeing whereas this person’s claim is going against the trend that’s occurring.

[@countdooku75]

Totally brain dead. If you look at what hard right conservatives were saying 5-10 years ago about where’d we be right now, they were almost 100% right.

[@Luke-te2ez]

"I could thiiiiink" "I could talk" "But I had no practical skills" - Literal Podcast Host

[@richarddixon6352]

You murdered her! We’ll played sir

[@cakeisgayandtiktokgirlsbelike]

One for me daddy

[@derrekgillespie413]

As a person who is obese and has had diagnosed high blood pressure for 15 years I have never been to a doctor who said "oh, everything is fine. Just take this pill." Literally every single doctor I've ever had has said something along the lines of "hypertension is caused by a combination of genetic predisposition and how you treat your body. You are obese, which is likely the primary driver of this hypertension. You need to get your diet and weight under control. You can take this pill in the meantime, because all of the time spent with high blood pressure is slowly damaging your arteries, but the root cause of this disease is your lifestyle"

[@Silverwidows]

Even when I go for an asthma checkup, they always say exercise is important to strengthen your lungs. I live in the UK so maybe it's different, but most doctors here i've seen always check your lifestyle before giving you the drugs.

[@resisttheslavemind2127]

how about going to the gym and lose fat instead of taking pills like a bot ?

[@kingofnara]

why are you obese and for 15 years, please go to the gym, I also had that same situation I no longer have to take my pills and can keep my bp at a normal rate but I have to consistently workout and not eat crappy, like I cant eat chinese food probably more than once a month

[@spudgun3268]

Same here! I have multiple chronic pain conditions, which means I'm on a lot of medications sure, but my doctor also supports me taking some supplements as long as I discuss it with him first. My urologist has even recommended some supplements to me. I'm also always told about the importance of exercise, physical therapy, eating right. Sure, my doctor isn't going to give me a detailed diet plan to follow, but they can refer me to a nutritionist if needed and can at least give me the basic run-down of basic stuff to eat and avoid.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@kingofnara You can't outrun a bad diet, what you eat is way more important than going to a gym/exercising for losing weight. And the overwhelming majority of people once they become obese never get back to a healthy weight across their lives. Our infrastructure is really sh'tty for helping people off of or just preventing the issue from developing. It isn't just a simple "why not do it?" No one wants to be overweight, it just takes herculean effort to get back to and maintain a healthy body weight. People should do it, but it isn't simple.

[@Whiffl3]

Ole Jed is a prime example of “this is my one personal experience, thus this is how the world works”

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@Dik Zak did you watch the video? The context is right at the start: Destiny's discussion witj Sneako about college education.

[@simoneriksson944]

I hope you reported her. "Regular medicine does not yield results or work. They make people sicker. Innovative and holistic medicine yields results and is working".

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@Dik Zak fair enough

[@narutofan4545]

And what's Steven an example of

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@@narutofan4545 an example of "here's the data, your milage may vary but generally that is most sensible solution overall according to that data" 😉

[@IGiveTheBestTakes]

You know someone is out of touch when they say everyone was happy at the waitressing job lol

[@Hooga89]

The entire debate is badly framed anyway. The reason someone with a master's degree is usually happier is because they get paid better, have better benefits, and less hours in the job they have gotten as a result of their education, but in a hypoethical world where waiting actually didn't have absolutely dogsh*t pay and benefits, there would probably be a lot people who were perfectly happy doing it. In other words: The problem isn't the job itself, it's what you get for doing it.

[@Hooga89]

@Shawn Brink Compared to an engineer with a master's degree, being a waiter definitely pays terrible. And even if you have some nights that pay well because of tips, you have zero benefits or vacation days.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

She didn't say everyone.

[@the0nlytrueprophet942]

She had a great time waitressing 20 years ago mate. It’s all good. Wonder why she even went on tv after those dizzy heights

[@draunt7]

Its absurd that she says her masters from colombia didn't get her anywhere, when she's literally a former co-host on America's largest network.

[@missinterpretation4984]

Dude I fckn can’t hardly stand to watch it. I would’ve given a limb for a degree from Columbia. She is so arrogantly clueless.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Yeah, even as Destiny is rising towards the mainstream now and has been super successful. It still says something that: She was on mainstrram television for years super successfully and had a college degree. Destiny dropped out of college and has had to spend almost a decade working his way up to here.

[@emertron2743]

I work in the medical device industry as a engineer. Every design conversion we have loops back to how could this feature improve outcomes for patients, usability for users, decrease or mitigate risk, etc. We do tons of validation testing, have very strict quality controls, and much slower release cycles because of the FDA. We can’t make marketing claims unless we have data to back it up and neither can our competitors. Everyone I’ve worked with takes patient safety extremely seriously on an individual, design, and process level. I think the industry selects for people like this, but I think having a regulatory body looking over shoulders is a good thing.

[@roachofdoom1234]

So tired of being gaslit into thinking I can’t think for myself because I’m not an NPC conservative

[@jacksonelmore6227]

🧂🥨

[@moralobjection4836]

funny, the npc meme wasn't made for controlled opposition conservatives lol.

[@patrickjessup8172]

Just ignore them, they'll flounder to their grave and everything they stand for will die off with them

[@willjapheth23789]

It feels like they are either trying to cope with the fact that so many intelligent people disagree with them or they are being the manipulative slims balls that they are accusing others of being.

[@yourgrammarisnotverygood1827]

TBH, you probably can't. I haven't seen anything to prove otherwise.

[@truthofevolution]

She’s attacking government in healthcare but simultaneously attacking big pharma for making a profit which is literal capitalism and she’s not able to square that circle

[@0Nafod0]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:01 🎓 *College Scam Debate* - College as a reliable path: The debate starts with the assertion that college is a scam, with the main argument being that most majors are a waste of time. - Illusion of productivity: People pay for college because it gives them an illusion of productivity, making them feel they are doing something, even if they don't know their career path. 01:10 🧑‍🏫 *Teaching Experience and Liberal Arts Defense* - Teaching experience: Jedediah Bila shares her teaching background and defends the value of liberal arts education. - Specialized education: Discusses the importance of specialized education, especially in STEM fields, differentiating from liberal arts degrees. 02:22 🎓 *Practical Skills vs. Liberal Arts* - Lack of practical skills: Jedediah recounts her personal experience, highlighting that despite her academic success, she lacked practical skills after graduating. - Specialized education benefit: Emphasizes that specialized education in fields like engineering can provide marketable skills from day one, unlike some liberal arts degrees. 03:47 🌐 *Alternatives to Four-Year Degrees* - Alternative pathways: The discussion shifts to alternatives to a four-year degree, advocating for practical skills acquisition through specialized programs. - Changing landscape: Recognizes the changing perception of traditional degrees, emphasizing the importance of practical skills over a four-year degree. 06:11 🤔 *Conservatives' Role in Education* - Conservative engagement: Addresses the role of conservatives in education, encouraging them to participate in liberal arts and cultural discussions. - Cultural impact: Argues that avoiding liberal arts leads to cultural conservatism's diminishing influence, especially in institutions. 08:18 💼 *Hiring Preferences and Practical Skills* - Hiring preferences: Discusses personal hiring preferences, expressing a preference for practical skills over a traditional four-year degree. - Real-world experience: Highlights the importance of a strong portfolio and real-world experience in gaining employment, challenging the significance of degrees. 09:43 📈 *College Degree and Wealth Inequality* - College and wealth inequality: Argues that the pursuit of college degrees contributes to growing wealth inequality. - Economic impact: Predicts a continued trend where college degrees become even more important, exacerbating societal divisions. 11:06 🏛️ *College Campus Issues and Parental Concerns* - College campus issues: Discusses problems on college campuses, including ideological polarization and cancel culture. - Parental concerns: Addresses parental concerns about the value of college education, emphasizing the need for a productive and free-thinking outcome. 13:31 🌐 *Elite Education and Social Impact* - Elite education impact: Discusses the choices of elite families in sending their children to top universities, even when critical of college systems. - Social influence: Examines the contradiction between elite families sending their children to prestigious universities while expressing concerns about education. 14:54 📚 *Education Beyond College* - Education beyond college: Raises questions about the value of education beyond a certain point, challenging the notion that education's importance diminishes after college. - Relevance of education: Debates the correlation between education and skills, questioning the conventional wisdom surrounding the significance of degrees. 15:35 🎓 *College and Alternative Paths* - College may not be the best fit for everyone. - Alternative programs and trade schools can offer valuable skills. - The decision should be based on individual circumstances, interests, and goals. 18:08 🏛️ *Government Role in Health Care* - Strong disagreement on government involvement in healthcare decisions. - Concerns about government overreach in medical decisions. - Advocacy for individual freedom and decision-making in healthcare. 19:06 🌐 *Transgender Issues: Puberty Blockers and Sports* - Nuanced view on minors accessing puberty blockers with doctor approval. - Opposition to trans women competing in sports with cis women. - Concerns about societal manipulation and dangers of puberty blockers for children. 21:10 ⚖️ *Personal Decision-Making in Health* - Strong emphasis on parental rights in medical decisions for minors. - Opposition to government interference in personal health choices. - Distinction between socialized medicine and government dictating individual health decisions. - Critique of the pharmaceutical industry and its role in perpetuating illness. - Advocacy for addressing root causes rather than relying solely on medication. - Personal experience with alternative medicine and distrust in traditional medical approaches. 27:03 🌎 *American Exceptionalism in Healthcare* - Criticism of American exceptionalism in healthcare as a downfall. - Comparison with other countries' successful healthcare systems. - Emphasis on the need for reform and a more effective, accessible healthcare system. 31:48 🏥 *Medical Practices and Big Pharma Dependency* - Chiropractic practices don't require medical school. - Individuals from traditional medical backgrounds sometimes transition to innovative medicine. - Discussion on the dependency society and the need for certain therapies. 34:40 💉 *Socialized Medicine Poll and Financial Perspectives* - Poll results: 67% believe in switching to socialized medicine. - Destiny's perspective on financial choices and personal happiness. - The idea that people often sacrifice relationships for materialistic pursuits. 38:15 🎓 *Education Choices and Relationship Challenges* - Marcus's comment on elites' schooling choices for networking. - Financial decisions related to education and relationships. - The challenges of balancing a serious relationship with demanding careers. 39:11 🦖 *Frogs vs. Dinosaurs and Viewer Questions* - Viewers' humorous questions about frogs, dinosaurs, and Steven's preferences. - Light-hearted discussion about exotic foods like frog legs. - Brief mentions of viewer comments and questions. 40:23 🤝 *National Divorce and Ideological Homogeneity* - Discussion on the concept of a "national divorce." - Observation of ideological homogeneity within political groups. - Highlighting the need for diverse perspectives in decision-making. 46:01 💉 *Vaccine Mandates and Experimental Status* - Debate on the experimental nature of vaccines. - Destiny's view on individual freedom and vaccine decisions. 47:25 🤝 *Assumptions of Good Intentions and Political Interactions* - Emphasis on assuming good intentions in political discussions. - Destiny's experience with diverse perspectives, like his mother's. 48:20 🌐 *Social Division and Media Influence* - Cable news thrives on division and sensationalism. - Political polarization reinforced by media makes it hard for people to see each other as allies. 49:30 🌍 *Impact of the Internet on Social Dynamics* - The internet provides the ability to find like-minded individuals globally. - Increased connectivity can lead to echo chambers and reduced exposure to diverse opinions. 51:40 🇺🇸 *The United States as an Experiment* - The U.S. has been an experimental nation for over 250 years, aiming to bring diverse people together. - Discusses the importance of liberalism and the challenge to the concept of diverse coexistence. 52:54 🗳️ *Speculation on 2024 Election* - Speculation about Biden's potential candidacy in 2024. - Debates on potential Democratic candidates, including Gavin Newsom. 54:32 💰 *The Impact of Taxes on Migration* - Discussion on people moving to states with lower taxes and more opportunities. - Consideration of reasons for leaving high-tax states like California and New York. 57:51 🎓 *Education, Opportunity, and Financial Independence* - Reflection on the impact of financial independence on decision-making. - Discussion on the ability to provide better opportunities, like choosing schools, with higher income. 01:04:12 🤝 *Tension Between Liberal and Conservative Perspectives* - Discussion on the classic tension between liberal and conservative views in the United States. - Liberals tend to focus on top-down solutions with government intervention. 01:04:53 💼 *Finding Balance in Governance* - Acknowledgment of the need for a balance between local/community efforts and federal government interventions. - Recognition of situations where communities can address problems more effectively than the government. 01:05:22 🤔 *Reflecting on Thought-Provoking Conversations* - Emphasis on the value of thought-provoking conversations and diverse perspectives. - Acknowledgment of the need for more constructive dialogue in society. 01:05:36 🤰 *Abortion Debate and Acknowledging Complexity* - Acknowledgment of the losing argument for liberals in the abortion debate. - Highlighting the importance of recognizing the real and special nature of the process inside a woman's body. 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[@KennyBare]

This woman's ivy league degree is why she became a powerful media figure. Conservatives telling their people not to get their credentials are deliberately disenfranchising their people

[@monas]

Yup, Jed is an older woman who is a hypocrite. She got married at 40 and her first child in her 40's. She is now 45. She is the same feminist she talks about. For 22 years she put her career first. If she was such a traditional woman, she would be taking care of her toddler instead she is chasing the bag with her podcast. Her voice is very loud for a so-called traditional woman.

[@jonwill2371]

I love how she calls supplements and stuff like that “Chinese medicine,” as if you get cancer in China and go to the hospital and they give you acupuncture.

[@ChipCheerio]

They would probably incorporate traditional medicine into their other medical programs. It might not help as much as modern medicine, but the placebo effect is pretty powerful and it could also offer some pain relief.

[@K_Shawn_Webb]

@@krisortega2874 Ive heard tht it actually does make ppl feel better. Havent seen conclusive evidence to see if its something physiological or if its just placebo.

[@komlat253]

Traditional medicine is up and down. Chinese people in China only belive it because of pride but they will never actually use it. Unlike Americans Chinese people will run to the hospital for literally anything but unfortunately there are many medical scams in China because people have too much trust in doctors and medicine, if seen friends get lied to so bad .. Probably good that we have a right wing group that's so crazy about distrusting or we could end up like that

[@03e-210a]

They do often do that. Their way of prescribing drugs is completely different from USA, and they incorporate TCM into their work

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@K_Shawn_Webb Feel better yes, make your cancer go into remission no.

[@JimC607]

She is such a snake. Love how she subtly moves the goalposts every time Destiny starts to pick her talking points apart.

[@jocksharerock7318]

Yep! She wound the discussion from parents decisions about their children regarding transition and puberty blockers to national healthcare. As Destiny knocked down every nuanced argument, she just moved on.

[@MarillSweatshirt]

Literally anyone that works with or for Fox is like this not even up for debate.

[@amazin7006]

Lol the fucking rob noerre tactic. Ive been noticing it every time since Destiny pointed it out, he should have made her verbally concede before movibg on.

[@GR33TINGSEARTHL1NGS]

@@amazin7006 It's better that he lets her off the hook this time so that she can think it over later without being attacked or embarrassed, then she might invite him back and they can both go a little bit harder.

[@Emerild]

bro, that is what everyone does when you are winnin

[@nicememes7570]

"I went to school to learn stuff, and then I went to work and I didn't know on day 1 of my new job how to do everything so therefore college failed me"

[@randomyoutubecommenterr]

When she went on to use her SPANISH DEGREE...... to literally TEACH SPANISH. How is she going to say she wasn't prepared when she literally did the job..... did she not know spanish after going through school for it?

[@nicememes7570]

@@randomyoutubecommenterr so Different schools can have different procedures and tests You wouldn't get taught the specific schools computer UI (if you haven't worked a job with a computer you just wouldn't understand, two hotels COULD share the same logging system program, or they could have completely different ones, I feel it's very easy to assume this is the same for any job) You can't be taught how to deal with the dog girl 6th grader barking at people and the like (actually had one in my class) Like bro, we all took English class, just write books for a living right? If you took a degree for creative writing to try and learn what makes Steven King so good so you can be famous next, the class wouldn't teach you about getting a publisher or an editor, it would teach you literary techniques and history.

[@Scawtsauce]

"250 years later still an experiment" went right over her head

[@brandonden795]

Most democracies need 1000 years of experimentation you know!

[@zq672]

I love how she says government stay out of my health care only minutes later to say a medical treatment should be illegal

[@motorhead48067]

She gives me the overwhelming impression of someone who adopts certain opinions and ideological leanings because they support and justify the kind of person she wants to project herself to as to the world. Her opinions seem so bound up in her personality in a way that suggests she’s not starting with first principles.

[@lalareal180]

lmao and homegurl Destiny Childs isnt? haha

[@jones2277]

and that's why all of her support is anecdotal.

[@monas]

Jed is an older woman. She got married at 40 and her first child in her 40's. She is now 45. She is the same feminist she talks about. For 22 years she put her career first. If she was such a traditional woman, she would be taking care of her toddler instead she is chasing the bag with her podcast. Her voice is very loud for a so-called traditional woman.

[@Sandybowls_9001]

"I got a four year degree in Spanish and no one is hiring me", is def a take.

[@randomyoutubecommenterr]

Can't stop saying it in these comments. She literally was hired and taught spanish hahahahah.

[@jonasc1221]

I love the position he put her in when his argument for hormones for teenagers was "the government shouldn't decide for me". She almost felt left-wing at that point and it must've hurt.

[@thomxAristy]

Yeah but socialized medicine will also come with rules and exceptions that might include his under age child. I think if puberty blockers and hormone treatment have multiple long term harmful effects on kids why not wait until adulthood. We have laws against tattoos for kids under 18 and these are far more harmful and invasive. Add to it the monitory incentive because it involved a life time of follow ups and you see why it’s being pushed. I’m for universal healthcare but there should be limits to elective, cosmetic surgery. Even Europe requires you to get a diagnose from a real doctor showing you have a mental disorder before you get approved for the surgery.

[@daytripper1023]

@@thomxAristymany states allow minors to get tattoos with the consent of a parent/guardian. If the minor believes that the treatment will improve their mental health and life in general, the parents/guardians give their consent, and a medical professional prescribes puberty blockers as a medical treatment; I trust that decision over the opinions of people on the internet. Whatever negative outcomes you believe exist, I guarantee you that those are being considered by the medical professional who is responsible for giving their patient the best possible treatment.

[@thomxAristy]

@@daytripper1023 3 states and they’re IDAHO, Florida and Louisiana. We understand it’s wrong to make a life long decision with an under developed brain.

[@daytripper1023]

@@thomxAristy not sure where you’re getting your information, but every source I’ve seen lists significantly more states than the 3 that you listed.

[@cmp6]

@@thomxAristy By that logic no one should be allowed to make life ling decisions until about 25. Can't let these underdeveloped brains decide on college.

[@Colyers]

Love how she flexs getting a 4.0 GPA multiple times yet counters herself by saying college is worthless. Which one is it?!

[@packers256]

I don't think those 2 things are mutually exclusive at all

[@ethancarey7476]

As someone who works at a company that hires for entry level positions based primarily on the fact that you have a 4 year degree in basically anything, I can say she's full of shit. I mean, this is a run of the mill scenario. Sure, there are fringe cases but her argument is so out of touch with reality. It's really frustrating watching otherwise decently intelligent people make these same provably false arguments. Her 'measureable skills, gained as a waitress are dwarfed by the promise of literally any 4 year degree in the eyes of the average hiring manager

[@drueger]

Destiny is 100% correct that if youre not sure you have a plan that you should go to college. I grinded packhandler/warehouse supervisor work while doing tech classes at community college. I found out I was good at wiring and shit and got a job at Siemens making more than people with full degrees. You dont have to get a degree at college to find direction from it. Its a good starting point.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Yeah. Sure, there are examples of people without degrees earning plenty. It's the numbers game tho. On average people with degrees outearn people without them. Simples.

[@drueger]

@@sathrielsatanson666 that doesnt contradict anything I said. the end result of that path I was on was an electro mechanical degree from a partnered state school. I dipped for better opportunities but I only had those due to the college

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@@drueger yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with you.

[@endlessgaslight]

totally agree that u should only go to college if u have a VERY clear path in mind e.g. doctor, teacher, pharmacist, radiologist.... very bad to go and do some vague crap like business, finance etc. where you arent really sure what you'll do after

[@drueger]

@@endlessgaslight I didnt say that at all. In fact my comment was about going to explore and figure stuff out

[@justanaverageguy912]

10 minutes in, she completely moves the goalpost from "college bad" to "there may be some people out there that can get a viable career through programs offered by non-university entities". one of the quickest steamrolls i have seen on this channel so far, she clearly never thought about any of her positions beyond incredibly surface level arguments, and her entire position on every single problem can be summed up with "my feelings don't care about your facts."

[@therockbottomcarpets3475]

Isn’t Destiny kind of moving the goalposts when he says “I know more people who went broke on crypto than with a stem degree” or whatever? I mean, nobody is calling STEM degrees a scam. People are saying the litany of other degrees universities author in the humanities, social sciences, arts, etc. are scams. I still agree with him, but to pretend like people feeling tricked after graduations isn’t a massive thing is silly.

[@samferrell7757]

She's not sneako she never said college is a scam for everyone, the problem with destiny is he attributes other people's beliefs to whoever he debates if they bother claim to be conservative.

[@Nnm26]

@@therockbottomcarpets3475 because sneako was introducing people to crypto as an alternative mean to make money other than college. That’s why he mentioned it.

[@CallMeWoodstock]

Watch it again, you misinterpreted the interaction

[@justanaverageguy912]

okay, just as a reminder to everyone who thinks this isn't the case: she literally said, after destiny nailed her down on the point that college bad and how nobody needs degrees, that this is something that will change in the future, and literally without any proof to point to. just so she doesn't have to admit that going to university is a good thing. this is as "feelings over facts" as possible. literally dismissing all proof in front of her, admitting to it, and then saying "bUt It WiLl ChAngE" as if that will somehow manifest that change out of the blue. if you don't see how irrational, entrenched and self absorbed this person is, then i am sorry, but you are part of the problem. stay in school, don't be one of those delusional clowns.

[@crawlmanjrable]

My biggest problem with debating any conservative is their incessant "that's not happening." This particular conversation it happened at the 29:00 mark. Every doctor me or my immediate family has visited always talk about what is actually causing ailments (ie: inactivity, too much sleep, not enough water etc). The idea that Doctors reach for a pill first is ridiculous. Unless this lady is going to one of those top 1% doctors that just cough over an opioid prescription for a cough

[@Silverwidows]

Those holystic "doctors" love people like her. Quick, give the rich white lady all the supliments, we eating good tonight

[@jocksharerock7318]

Swervy Number 1, love that name. Excellent post for those in the real world and understand how doctors, nurse practitioners, and those in the medical profession deal on a case by case basis, and can only go with the facts given to them. It’s embarrassing((or should be) that this Jedediah woman would talk about her case, which is anecdotal, when millions of cases are brought in daily, from primary doctors, specialists, to hospital internists, to our emergency services. For those of us lucky to know many in these fields, and to see this profoundly ignorant woman on this subject just yapping away, we can only facepalm and hope there are enough Destinys out there to set the record straight.

[@lalareal180]

So because it doesnt happen to u? As someone poor, and doesnt have good medical DR, if my blood pressure was high during a first time checkup with a PCP I was told to get a prescription for high blood pressure, even tho I told them I have white coat hypertension always, as soon as I get home it goes down... So your experience isnt universal either. Dr's do reach for pills, they need to release a certain amount of scripts in order to make certain amounts of money. For you to say it doesnt happen is doing the same thing you said this conservative did. Dork

[@ZeroStateReflex]

Fascinating to see how fast both of them talk, it's like we're reaching a point where ideas are so complicated and need to be so nuanced, that if both people can't explain their ideas fast enough we'll just say f*ck it and drop off. One of Destiny's strengths is how fast and accurately he can get his point across.

[@bigcrackrock]

His weakness is that he sounds like a screeching auctioneer when doing it. He's way more tolerable when he slows it down a bit. It reminds me of how I used to argue with people as a teenager when they had me pumped up on ADD meds.

[@ZeroStateReflex]

Fair point!

[@redshift912]

“EVERY waitress was happy “ Suuuuure

[@kevintheshane]

Dude thank you for always taking up this fight. People dog on college so much but for most people who go and graduate. It’s totally worth it. She talked about “no practical skills” outside of knowing how to think and talk. This is actually true in my STEM job too. When I hire, I’m not always looking for someone who can contribute on day one because they’re already familiar with all our software. Im looking for someone who has general intelligence with a base understanding of fundamental concepts. Stuff you can and do develop in college. If you also became a matlab/excel guru, that’s great too. But I can teach a new hire that stuff MUCH faster than I can teach statistical inference or something.

[@kevintheshane]

Also I’d bet a good amount of money that she sends her son to a four year school in 14 years. I’d say it’s also likely that she sends him to a private liberal arts school. She knows the value of a college degree. She lives and breathes it every day.

[@soggymarshmallow]

Focussing on hard vocational skills actually severely limited my potential RoI on my STEM training. If I'd progressed to a MSc I'd likely still be profiting from that investment, if I enjoyed working in that industry. I chose instead to invest in a much more personally interesting and rewarding career.

[@briano9397]

I wish more than anything someone like destiny told me this when I graduated. No degree and in the best dead end job I can get. Go to school kids

[@Earthad23]

It’s retard cope

[@kevintheshane]

@@PunkRockWhatElse she totally does. If she hung out with any median high school graduates, she’d know that. But listening, you’d think everyone without a college degree is Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, instead of a waiter at Chili’s, busting his ass for ungrateful customers. If your fail state for college is graduating and working a handful of above median income jobs where you don’t speak the Spanish you learned, until you make a name for yourself in show business, then you must not know many poor people, lol.

[@__-bk6mm]

It's actually fun to see two passionate opinionated people debate, the way she smiles when he challenges her, and the way he gets excited about firing his point back is interesting.

[@Meatwad650]

Too bad her opinions are, you know, shit.

[@lampad4549]

Really? I taught it was pretty passive aggressive, I felt as though she just dismisses everything destiny says by simply nodding her head and saying no and not even consider his point of view, but maybe thats my misogeny. Cant believe she couldn't tell the difference between socialized medicine and the banning of puberty blockers.

[@ll2323]

Nah, she only likes to hear herself speak. It’s frustrating how fast she speaks over her guest.

[@runch21]

the way they look at each other.... you can tell they are in love!!!

[@GR33TINGSEARTHL1NGS]

@@lampad4549 It's really hard to admit you're wrong in a setting like that, she was good at transitioning away when she knew her point was losing. Other than that she seemed pretty good faith and reasonable.

[@jayperz]

I used to be on the "college is useless these days" train but I've recently moved from there to realizing that the entry level job market is actually where the problem lies. I have a college degree, and I'm glad I do however finding entry level work has been SIGNIFICANTLY harder than i was told it would be. Over the past 3 years I've applied to about 200 entry Level jobs in my area of study and have gotten one interview in that span of time and was ghosted by the company that interviewed me after follow ups. I don't think college is the problem, it's the job market. But everywhere you look people will tell you the entry level job market is flourishing. Bullshit.

[@TrentonF505]

I’m in the same boat. What field do you work in?

[@jayperz]

@@TrentonF505 graphic design

[@TrentonF505]

@@jayperz ah well keep it up! I think a lot of companies are doing hiring freezes right now but I’m hoping that changes soon

[@jayperz]

@Trent thanks man. I'm sure things will smooth out eventually

[@khetto1]

I had the same problem years ago. Couldn't get an entry level job let alone a management job at a local video store I was overqualified for, so decided to go back to school for more skills. I immediately applied for an internship in tech. I still work for that company and have become more successful than I could've imagined. Management is impressed by the degrees, but admit I only needed one. Coworkers without degrees are nearly always of the first to be cut and don't get the best raises.

[@scourge8097]

"I could think...I could talk...but I had no practical skills." What a stupid contradictory statement. If you can present yourself well and articulate yourself, think for yourself, be a critical thinker...those are pretty fucking valuable in EVERY field. Is that gonna make you a great plumber? Obviously not...but it's going to prepare you for pretty much every job in the business field. Jobs are going to train you. If you already have the social skills and can communicate in a professional manner, you're gonna do well in life.

[@szirsp]

30:00 "Cannot compare socialized healthcare systems other countries have to America because America is different" ... because big pharma is making people sick. You know why some doctors prescribe some meds? Because big pharma is paying them to. You know what would help against that? If a large body of experts (instead of a single doctor) evaluated pharmaceuticals on their merits, which ones are the most effective (do the most good for the least cost) and made a decision which one to recommend, support, finance and if they had bargaining power against pharmaceutical companies to lower cost. That's one of the property of universal socialized healthcare systems. So the solution to the "problem" that America is different is to have socialized healthcare system, then it wouldn't be.

[@challajuzalei6126]

As someone who is going back to college at 32, Destiny is 100% correct about a degree becoming more and more of a requirement (even for jobs that don’t NEED a degree). Anyone who says otherwise hasn’t been in the traditional work force in a long time. Even for places that don’t require a college degree you have to be so head and shoulders (either with previous experience or by your performance in the interview) above the rest in order to land a half decent job. Do I agree that more people should consider working in the trades? Yes. Do I think that even with a degree that some of the additional experience requirements are a bit insane? Yes. I shouldn’t need 6 years of experience and a degree for an entry level position. Do I think college is for everyone? No, but pretending like it isn’t a huge factor in making more money is asinine.

[@yawgg]

I love how she goes from "College is a scam" to "College isn't for everybody." When Destiny points out her position has changed, she fumbles around trying to make it look like it didn't.

[@michaelrunk5930]

Actually both statements can be true and are true. Colleges are a scam for people who go for useless degrees thinking the degree there getting is going to be usefull. Which is what she pointing out. It also true college isn't for ever one. I never went to college it wasn't for me. I hated school had no desire to get a degree in anything. Some people go to colleges because they find different avenues for continuing there education such as community College or a Technical college. So both can be true at the same time.

[@ke6944]

If moving the goalposts was a person. 😭😭😭

[@doghouse010]

thanks a lot college - you didn't train me how to specifically do the first random job I was going to get immediately after graduation

[@richardanthony7855]

Thanks college for getting you the job

[@hdudidi]

@@richardanthony7855 exactly

[@hdudidi]

she said she had a liberal arts degree then worked in insurance lmao who would’ve thought u don’t know how to be a salesman with a English degree

[@roymarshall_]

College is basically just an easy filtering mechanism. It's kind of dumb but it doesn't necessarily have to prepare you for a job. It's an entrenched system that is much bigger than us, but sometimes it's better to just do the dance. It's a bunch of suffering for a piece of paper that gets you in the door. I use exactly 0 of the things I learned in college for my job.

[@spacetoast7783]

@@roymarshall_ Part of the point is that your degree shows you can learn skills quickly for 4+ years.

[@joesalgadSF415]

She’s telling others not to college because it’s a waste of time. But she went to college herself and she went for FREE. Also do you think this lady will take her kid or herself to a doctor that didn’t went to college specially if a surgery is needed?

[@PhuutThaiMaiDai]

I am so sick and tired of people using their own limited experience to form their entire worldview, without even considering facts, statistics, or the fact that the majority of people may have different experiences than she did.

[@disaintoscar]

we’ve entered a era where a lot of conservatives and red pill ppl when confronted with stats just say “i don’t believe those stats because the government blah blah” or scream like they seen the boogie man when confronted with real peer researched stats…now alot of there arguments rely on “well my brothers aunts sisters boyfriend had this happen so that means”…just like how when destiny told her she’s wrong about calling the vaccine experimental because it’s FDA approved then she says “oh how convenient” insinuating what i just explained

[@MrAdamo]

I hate the idea that people aren’t going to college because they will get “indoctrinated”. I’ve had this argument coming from my parents when I showed them my coursework. I’m in computer engineering. They also said this in high school.

[@jacksonelmore6227]

My college unironically made me attend a Black Lives Matter meeting

[@MrAdamo]

@@jacksonelmore6227 that sounds pretty stupid imo, but what made them say I was “indoctrinated” was showing them how to do statistics for science papers. Conservatives think every school is as woke as yours and then dismiss all intellectual endeavour.

[@breezyn]

@@MrAdamo , you're generalising in the same way the conservatives you bitch about do. Most schools in Canada have become indoctrination centers and you're lying to yourself if you think that it isn't happening in American ones too. This shit spreads like a mind disease. Just because you happen to be lucky enough to be in a field of study that isnt entrenched in the shit like other subjects do, doesn't mean it isn't happening. Also, most people arent going to college now because they literally cannot afford to, not because of social contagions or indoctrination.

[@fakechuck7659]

@@jacksonelmore6227 and how did that prevent you from being a free thinker? Is there no value in exposing you to that even if you dont agree with the people at the meeting?

[@spacetoast7783]

@@fakechuck7659 Would you be okay with a college forcing students to attend an America First meeting?

[@PatrickHyland]

I have a four year degree in ancient and medieval history. I'm working on the software development space currently. I can say that without a doubt that collegiate education definitely provides a good framework for thought and understanding how to think, even across disciplines (like from history to software development.) My education in history and anthropology also helped me identify early on that Destiny is a girl's name.

[@lalareal180]

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[@nickpurcell5651]

I’m so sick of sneako and others lying about how expensive school is. The average graduate is leaving school with $30K in debt. Obviously, that’s too much, but it’s a far cry from $50K a year. And if you are strategic, you can leave school with less debt (community college for the first two years, going to a less prestigious college, etc). And if you graduate with the right degree, you will have little difficulty paying it off. There are obviously many issues with colleges in America today, but it is far from a scam!

[@therepublicofdave1498]

"but socialism, but socialism, but socialism" isn't a rebuttal of "the law has no right to prevent medical care"

[@teewhyeee]

Destiny made me care about college and university much more. It's still very important even if it's just for the experience because it teaches you to be motivated and work hard to succeed at something. My kids will 100% go to college or university. Even tho i still think student debt is terrible and a huge weight on our society.

[@resisttheslavemind2127]

and than your kids turn into trans

[@andrewcox5873]

As a middle manager at a big company who does a lot of hiring... degrees help. They dont mean everything, but it can be the difference between getting an interview or not. Not saying I agree with it, but thats just how the world works right now.

[@zipzip6677]

i'm 21 and currently finishing my 4 year degree. if my parents didn't push me to do college I don't know where I would be. My mom and dad both had stem degrees and expected that I would go to college, but that push to do well in high school so I could go to college was the most important thing they could have done for me. if I didnt try in high school I would have not done well in college at all.

[@IL_Bgentyl]

I’ll strongly advise my child to avoid it. Military or trade school. Welcome to do what they want but in regards to ROI. College is ehh, there’s no rush and trades are hurting for labor. There’s no rush to finish school.

[@wwlittlejOfficial]

I love how she uses her fear as some sort of rational thought process for a global conspiracy. She's a literal mouse trying to eat crumbs and shaking in her boots while she tells u her way of life is the absolute best!

[@MarillSweatshirt]

It's almost as if she worked for Fox News....

[@debrachambers1304]

*figurative

[@Wallychans]

Equivalent to the BLM and LBTQ crowd. “We commit suicide all the time due to depression, so we beg of you to cater to us like children, but also, you should join us cuz we’re oh so proud and strong”

[@wwlittlejOfficial]

@@Wallychans That is the weakest equivalence argument ever. Work on that.

[@Wallychans]

@@wwlittlejOfficial Is it? Both are cowards with blatant self esteem problems attempting to lure stupid people in under the guise of self pride and confidence... May not have been worded the prettiest, but the point is valid.

[@delornegg]

I'd say if your child of 18+ goes to college and has their mind warped/re-programmed, then you've just failed as a parent in that regard up to that point. If you taught your child to be a critical free thinker then you should have nothing to worry about.

[@richarddixon6352]

All that teaching she did requires a degree, she did marketing and chose not to go into that field

[@Spoteddy]

Destiny is restraining himself so much from starting a shouting competition xD

[@kpopsicles3]

I read an article about high school teachers and the main thing they wanted the parents of their students to teach their children is that they need to start thinking independently in high school you don't start thinking independently in college that's stupid. Middle school is where you find out who you like and you see what groups of people you mesh well with. If you are only starting to think for yourself in college that's a problem because That means you didn't learn anything or won't taught anything when it comes to being independent in high school and thinking for yourself and not subscribing to certain ideologies or trends and peer pressure and stuff like that.

[@MiserableEffect]

She’s taking big losses during the healthcare and pharma convo. Ultimately resorts to condescension when she’s corrected about the “revolving door” at FDA and then swiftly pivots to “let’s move on to another topic. All smiles while dying inside.

[@jocksharerock7318]

Yep! When she said “it was a late stage diagnosis” regarding Lyme disease and doesn’t go into why it took so long, which doctors prescribed what, without knowing if she’d been bitten by a tick, or the 50 different reasons she was feeling the way she was. There’s testing for antibodies in blood regarding Lyme disease, but I suspect Jedediah wasn’t being truthful as to why it took so long, and the rationale for each doctor prescribing what they did. That said, yeah, doctors over prescribe sometimes and alternatives aren’t always utilized. I’d love to hear here her whole story. My feeling is that we never will

[@jasoncanadian]

University is about Education, but US Ivy League schools -- it's more about WHO you know ... versus WHAT you know. I've gotten most of my jobs, from the people I knew ... not what I knew -- be it family, friends or as it pertains to University: It's your college buddy's family or friend ... at Major Corporations -- that got you in the door, for the interview.

[@APD089191]

Madam you got your degrees and they put you on a path where you got not only the gigs/salaries that go with them but also the name recognition and the connections. Your son might be able to do great in the world because he will more likely use your connections to do so. The average people don’t have the connection and without any kind of education they’ll be struggling.

[@iAmCymba]

Her entire stance on college is disingenuous. This is like when rich people say money can’t buy happiness.

[@kamii_999]

Money can't buy happiness anymore than a drug could bring happiness

[@fakechuck7659]

@@kamii_999 if you think money can't buy happiness try living with no money. Obviously there's a ceiling to the effect money can have on happiness, and the wealthy have already hit it

[@kamii_999]

@@fakechuck7659 Again money does not buy happiness. Money can grant you access to items that could give you a dopamine boost but eventually you become desensitized to material possessions. True happiness must be maintained through good relationships and good mental fortitude. Happiness comes from within not from external sources.

[@fakechuck7659]

@@kamii_999 it's six or a half dozen. If you can't afford to survive, you're going to have trouble having meaningful relationships and personal fulfillment. If you can't afford to eat, then you have bigger problems than buying a dopamine hit. Money buys opportunity and flexibility to actually pursue those things that you consider "happiness". It's very ignorant to say that happiness is entirely internal. Try telling that to someone without a roof in the dead of winter who can't afford a meal.

[@kamii_999]

@@fakechuck7659 That's has nothing to do with money that is a lack of resources issue. Money is not necessary for these things you mentioned and boxing yourself into a mentality where money is a necessity in itself you are setting yourself up for failure. No one is saying you can't have a job and usually it will cover necessity. No one is saying don't make money or use it but let's also not be over zealous and infer that money is required to gain happiness. The truth is that is actually pretty ignorant to believe money is the end all be all for happiness. From your logic one would say that happiness didn't exist in the times of cavemen because there was no money and only resources to trade. Happiness is an emotional reaction based on internal biological factors. If we make happiness external you set yourself up to be miserable more often.

[@mistermr.7830]

I am a college drop out, I do not even have my associates, but I got 2 Cisco Certifications in High School and had an internship from my state’s Chamber of Commerce. Went from that internship to an Old Navy gig to a Solar Panel Retention gig to an Advocacy group under WebMD. Destiny is spitting facts; if you do not have a good Resume, you’re gonna have a bad time.

[@mistermr.7830]

@@SkeleTonHammer Being self-taught is a resume since you have those skills listed on your resume for things you can do. That's why I had computer familiarity on the skills part of my resume. Ambition is great but it means nothing if you don't actually know what you're doing. Also, anybody that brags about High IQ really puts too much effort into it, it isn't about how high your IQ is but what you do with it

[@pookz3067]

@@SkeleTonHammer there are too many skills you get at a good college that aren’t learnable anywhere else. I’m sure you’ve met some computer science whizzes from top unis whose understanding of the fields they discuss comes from deep patterns of thinking imparted to them from people at the top of their field (these top people can be found at pretty much any top 50-70 college), and is simply not in any textbook and difficult to learn simply by working in practical projects unless you are a creative genius. Of course you can get a degree and not get much out of it, but the resources available to college students are so astronomical and irreplaceable. Every year I work in industry proves this to me more and more. More and more things I thought were useless come up, and I wish I had time to go back to college.

[@zipzip6677]

@@SkeleTonHammer I am currently in college and about to graduate with BS in electrical engineering. I agree that not everyone needs to go to college. A lot of my friends I have met in high school and different places i've worked are doing just fine taking a similar path you are. however, I have to disagree about college just being for the piece of paper. There are definitely certain doors that you cannot open without that college experience. In my case, its been the people you meet and the extra resources a good college gives you. I was fortunate to have experiences in high school that gave me the opportunity to see I wanted to do something in engineering. Initially I thought I wanted to be a mechanical engineer. It wasn't until I started taking courses at university and getting involved in engineering clubs at my college that I realized I wanted to do something in electrical engineering. These connections have allowed me to meet a lot of people who have all given me opportunities in my career I would not have had if I didnt go through a 4 year degree. Then there's the keys to doors you can only get with a 4 year degree. The FE exam is a big one. There are a ton of STEM jobs you will never be able to get without that 4 year degree and the FE exam to back it up. Then there's the jobs in stem you can only get through connections with people at a university. For example, I had a strong passion to do something in the micro-electronics field. My university has a lithography lab open to engineering majors where we can make microchips. That experience is something I couldn't have gotten without going through an engineering degree. The professors who have connections to lots of hiring managers in the micro-electronics industry I would not have met if I didn't go through an engineering degree. Overall I think if you have no strong interests, going to college can allow you to meet people who will change your outlook on what you want to do with your life. However, college is only as good as what you put in. If you just sit around partying, not pursuing internships / co-ops, not participating in extra curricular events, you will get very little out of college. For those who are interested in a topic and want to pursue it as a career, college gives you opportunities you will not get without it.

[@evansuarez5432]

@@SkeleTonHammer good for you but most people don’t have that drive to be self-taught, self-sufficient, curious, or high IQ. Some people definitely benefit from the structure, hard skill as well as soft skill lessons that college provides therefore we can’t say that college is “scam” or is a “waste of time”.

[@gerrymaines2633]

Post secondary education instills discipline and offers new experiences. Employers recognize the grit it takes to make it to a degree level.

[@Dr_Taco_MD]

Nothing like hearing someone who got the jobs she has had because of her degree, saying her degree is worthless

[@robertlipsey1160]

As an electrical engineer, she does not know what engineers come out with. You have tools in your toolbox, but there’s still a strong learning curve for putting those tools to use and knowing what you’re talking about. Your first years as an engineer are further education.

[@Moonninja420]

As an ee myself. I know that college is a long iq test. Jobs are not allowed to iq test.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Yeah, it's clear that for her college was a waste because she is still stupid as hell and have little idea about the shit she is spewing.

[@resir9807]

As someone in a highly practical IT program, I have the same experience. IT is so vast and diverse, what I learn at uni is infinitesimal. Any job I can take would require me to spend weeks learning some highly specific tool and internal company system, of which there are hundreds and which can change on a yearly basis. Employers aren't stupid and so they don't expect you to be able to sit down week 1 and already participate in whatever project. They like seeing your degree and knowing you have some type of certified experience in IT, which they can build on when educating you for your specific task

[@hdudidi]

@@resir9807 ya they act like you should be able to be a surgeon after taking a few 101 classes lmao obviously u also need on the job training. Idk why they shit on higher education when it’s just a stepping stone to where u wanna go

[@uncleanswer6488]

Imagine thinking this lady was referring to engineering and IT related jobs lmaoooo are you sure y'all even graduated lmaoooooo

[@dankesttoast]

I worked for a medical device manufacturer and the FDA was the regulatory boogeyman. They were supremely strict about following safety guidelines, documentation protocols, and marketing regulations. You absolutely could not influence their decision or investigatory process. I hate hearing people talk out their ass about the FDA

[@IsaacLungu]

"In 1992, Congress passed the Prescription Drug User Fee Act, which allows the federal agency to collect fees from companies that "produce certain human drug and biological products,"

[@dankesttoast]

@@IsaacLungu “with those funds designated for use only in Center for Drug Evaluation and Research (CDER) or Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) drug approval activities. In order to continue collecting such fees, the FDA is required to meet certain performance benchmarks, primarily related to the speed of certain activities within the NDA review process.” Also, nowhere does the law imply that the FDA can be selective on who they choose to approve to meet these regulatory standards for performance. Medical devices are also subject to plenty of administrative fees during the 510k approval process.

[@othmaneelmansouri6314]

These people do not understand that the only reason they can buy food from a supermarket and eat it without worrying that they'll get poisoned is because of the FDA. Conservatives are braindead, nothing we can do to help them unfortunately.

[@idontgetthejoke4813]

Am I high or right at the beginning did she say that she hated and loathed her time in Colombia, and then a few minutes later say she loved studying in Colombia?

[@elliottmain4226]

I think she meant she loathed Spanish class

[@luckartist]

Does this woman always talk about things on the most surface level and is allergic to actually talk in depth about a topic? Seems like every time they might go into a deeper convo about a certain position she holds, she just pivots to something else. Never think deeper, never concede, just pivot if surface level point was contested.

[@questioneverything8572]

Imagine picking a language as a freaking college major and then have the audacity to blame its uselessness on post-highschool educational establishments as a whole LOL

[@RR-qf9re]

On one hand she raves about how great our American health care system is then moments later starts complaining about how horrible our healthcare system

[@hdudidi]

she said she had a liberal arts degree then worked in insurance lmao who would’ve thought u don’t know how to be a salesman with a English degree

[@Silverwidows]

It sounds like she could of benefitted from a business degree and a public speaking degree. Could of been a pretty good insurance sales person

[@az2man]

She said she studied Spanish and hoped to work in international relations but couldn't make it. I think it's okay to fold back to working in an insurance company, but if she got hired in the first place, it was most likely thanks to her experience and her degree. This segment was very confusing to me, I couldn't connect why she shouldn't have gone to university in the first place...

[@joefission7179]

@@az2man I’m starting to figure it out. She says a lot of different things here but I think the only things she actually believes are that a degree “is just a piece of paper” and schools are just for liberal indoctrination and every other opinion is downstream of that. And then she throws in a lot of anecdotes to support it and only engages with the actual facts destiny gives in a dismissive hypothetical way, like when she says stuff among the lines of “oh college might be good for specialized fields”, whatever that means. Its all very infuriating to listen to but I think it highlights the mentality of somebody who can’t waver from their opinion that college is a scam. But its a little confusing when she says it. If you work a manual labor job it makes sense that the only people you know in your life didn’t make use of their college degrees. The people that use their college degrees aren’t working in those low skill manual labor jobs and they aren’t living in the same areas they are either. But this person is working in media where a lot of people are using their degrees. So she’s either just hyper fixating on those few anecdotes that she has to the contrary or (and this is the less charitable option) she knows its stupid but is saying it for her audience. I don’t know enough about her to say for sure.

[@internethero83]

@@az2man it doesn't really take experience or a degree to work as an insurance salesman. you just have to pass an exam and they start you at $11/hr, you move up based on your success and can boost your pay with commission. no offense but the idea that you would need specialized education to do it is kind of hilarious to me as i've worked the job before. i think destiny may have only researched 20 minutes in google and made a bunch of inferences because he went up against someone with a loose narrative. ive also worked in customer service jobs with basically zero experience where ~40% of the people in my training class have a 4 year degree. the sentiment that college is a racket has been around for decades, but it has nothing to do with marxism. it's moreso the idea that you're told the piece of paper is a free ticket to a job, so you can go through any program and there will be a median salary waiting for you. then you have destiny with zero experience or a degree talking to someone from an MSM outlet and making 6 figs. you can say the degree helps bolster your resume, but the compensation you're getting with certain types of education does not match what you spent on it and it can take a really long time to get out of the debt.

[@ke6944]

@@Silverwidows usually, public speaking, a value social skill, are mandatory courses for English majors. Hence, why college degree are still more marketable than not having one.

[@pooshoveler]

Wow! She's smarter than doctors too. Seems like she's smarter than everybody. It must have been that basic four-year degree she got.

[@bendeguire6965]

“I went to college for a liberal degree and it didn’t work so therefore I can accurately say college is not worth anyones time.”

[@Hooga89]

I mean, how is this wrong? It demonstrates that liberal arts degrees aren't desirable by the market at all, so it begs the question why they should exist.

[@bendeguire6965]

@@Hooga89 one piece of personal experience is not be suitable for making mass prescriptions. example: my friend lost their arm in car accident because they were waring their seatbelt, therefore i think no one should wear their seatbelt even tho data says on average it is much safer. im not arguing that liberal arts degrees are good or useful but her method of argumentation is very poor for actually convincing me at least. if her goal is to persuade people from going to college she should back it up with data that isnt just "it didn't work for me".

[@DanLee8884]

The way she debates makes no sense. "College is a scam...but I am not saying everyone shouldn't go..." Huh? So she wants people to get scammed? Why does she say the most inflammatory thing and then backtrack? "Big pharma wants you to buy their drug..." uh...yeah...that is what they make and sell. I grew up in Korea and I do occasionally get non traditional medicine and treatments. I choose it acoording to what has worked for me. When I twisted my ankle playing basketball and the doctors couldnt do anything and it wasnt healing, I got acupuncture and it healed in two days. This is not always the case. No doctor has ever told me to do this or told me they exsist and I dont expect them to. Her argument seems to be that everyone needs to tell her all the options even big pharma and if they dont, they are out to make u sick. They can only offer what they have to offer. Just go do it if it works for u! Why blame them for ur woes? My wife basically has to prescribe medicine to kids for mental health. You dont blame her for doing that, if u want something else, go find someone else. In the end, my wife also didnt like that being the only thing she can do so she quit. "I learned more from waitressing than college..." hearing her talk makes me believe it. It's like she talks in click bate.

[@denischiaravalle1793]

She's a little misinformed when she said people who don't go to college aren't disgruntled. I work at a steel mill with a bunch of guys that don't have a degree and make six figures but are still disgruntled with their job.

[@bowmigow9893]

Something people don't understand about college, is that even for business degrees for example, they teach you about background theory and general knowledge, not necessarily practical skills because that is your job to go out there and get internships etc... Now, somebody with that amount of background knowledge is actually able to change between jobs and change career directions very rapidly, because they don't have to start from zero again to get and understand the skills required for their next job. However, somebody that has learned a certain practical skill on their own, will have to start all the way from zero again if they want to slightly switch fields. College, imo, gives people the basis to many jobs, and then it is the students' job to build and perfect the practical skills they need for the job they want to do. This, on top of the argument that college builds a competent worker, is why I think it is necessary for all disciplines.

[@Nessal83]

It's very clear to me when you compare salaries of people with STEM degrees versus art degrees, the pay difference is staggering. So I get what Destiny is saying that art degrees shouldn't be put down but at the same time, those who get an art degree shouldn't complain that they get paid less because the data tells you what you are getting yourself into.

[@LukeNichols19]

Man the no keep the government out of my healthcare and life statement that immediately transitions into her support of making puberty blockers illegal might be my favorite npc moment of all time 😂

[@NBA_Dunk]

Gracious words are like a honeycomb, sweetness to the soul and health to the body. Proverbs 16:24 ESV

[@sevensages5279]

14:35 Ben Shapiro entered the chat: " Um, excuse me, I have a Harvard degree and my wife is a doctor. " 🤣🤣🤣

[@lloyda6873]

I can almost guarentee she learned to think and form arguments from having to write papers and defend her views (right or wrong) in college. She's a great orator and that doesn't come from nowhere especially considering her degree had a bend towards language. So she's attacking the very thing that likely helped propel her to the position she's in. She said it herself. She's had numerous roles teaching and you can't do that without a degree. So I'm not sure what her ire is unless she's driven by political ideology and wants to stem the wave of people that learn opposing views in college and get the experience of being around thousands of people unlike themselves and become more world minded.

[@agonzalez8924]

I think she's just trying to get in on the grift. The ideas and arguments she's making are not her own, her talking points have been making circles around conservative bubbles for years.

[@omaro_6R]

Thanks for standing up for the College peeps! I'm tired of people shitting on universities. Yes they need to fix things, but every job I apply to still asks if I have a college degree.

[@Rushfan102]

I agree with both Destiny and this lady quite a bit. As someone who is currently going to college, and working a full time corporate job, its very obvious that most larger organizations wont take anyone seriously without a 4 year degree, however on the flip side of that College is WAY too expensive for what you receive. The requirements to take classes that may have nothing to do with your career path is insane, and a COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY AND TIME. While you may earn more with a degree, racking up thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) in debt is not helpful, and quite scary tbh (this is debt that will follow you most of your life, and it only grows as time passes). There needs to be a serious shift in how much it costs or what is required in order to graduate. I genuinely learn more working at my corporate job than I ever have at college, but if you aren't already in a decent company, or don't have a degree, good luck.

[@TheJuggernaut88]

The lady starts off really strongly opposing colleges as liberal indoctrination money sinks then slowly moves the goal post to a nuanced position as Destiny gives his arguments. Destiny's argument for college is much more compelling. The ultimate answer is obviously there are some people who succeed in college and others who succeed in other paths. HOWEVER, college IS STILL the most viable option for a student out of HS that does not know what to do in life and has no skills. The factual statistics support having a degree that cannot be taken away, demonstrates your ability to be teachable, and gives you access to college resources gives college students a major advantage over non-college students. Colleges provides connections via career fairs, on campus interviews, and internships that would otherwise be almost impossible to achieve without attending college. What you expect to achieve in college depends on how much effort you put into it. College isn't a no effort place to getting free jobs. I don't agree with the lady at all, she has a heavy bias that stems from her own bad experience and assumptions about college campuses.

[@guybrushthreepwood2910]

You cannot have a serious debate while at the same time defending "holistic medicine". Holy shit.

[@Ryuu44]

I love Destiny's approach, and I think there's one argument that's missing from his arsenal that would be very effective. Conservatives like this lady love to talk how they don't think gov is a perfect and all powerful god, and they point out problems they have with how American gov is right now. The thing they should understand is that government is meant to be run by the representatives of the people. So when she says "the community should organize and help" you answer with "yes, and they most effective, optimal way with measurably better outcomes is through the government". The government sucks? Yeah, cause it's reflecting how WE suck. Limiting government won't help the community suck less, but it will effectively rob a lot of people, and poorer communities from whatever agency they had left.

[@im_aleey]

I felt like that was an easy rebuttal as well, the government isn't just some shadowy cabal of powerful people, the government is literally composed of the people, and key positions are occupied by elected representatives. If things suck, maybe examine who you're voting for to represent your interests.

[@TheKmagz]

I think it's genuinely unhealthy to listen to people like her for too long.

[@hugster2000]

He is interested in the truth. She is interested in winning

[@bradleybergeron1740]

Only seven minutes in, but I think Destiny kind of nailed the point about college; If you go in and screw around all you have done is wasted the experience. More importantly for the discussion from the way this woman talks about college and her own experience in it, it almost sounds like she wasted her own experience, realized as much when she got out into the workforce, and refuses to now admit that she might have fucked up along the way. Again, only seven minutes in, but that's definitely the vibe I'm getting. I'm in college right now and I have been given shitloads of opportunities to get experience in my field and I am just a lowly history education major. The students in my school's business department get tons of hands-on training too and I imagine most schools that offer business degrees are the same.

[@dylaroo24]

38:50 I hate this superchat. This a fundamental misunderstanding of how things work. They think that because a doctors spends a lot of time explaining the drug side of things that suddenly the exercise and dieting becomes a footnote, that’s not how it works. Everyone understand how dieting and exercising works, you don’t need a doctor to explain that to you, whereas medicine is hugely complicated. So of course the doctor is going to spend a bunch more time explaining the drug side of things. It’s like having two solutions, a simple one and a complicated one, and then saying “the simple solution is a footnote” because of how long it took to explain the complicated one. It also hugely depends on what issues you have too, it might be that you have a problem that dieting and exercising can’t fix on their own, but they do help a little bit. So a doctor prescribes you a drug to help your issues and says “you should exercise and diet too, it’ll make the healing process faster”. It’s crazy how many people think that doctors don’t think doctors suggest natural remedies to things. I can’t count how many times my doctors have told me I need to exercise more. I have stage 4 nerve cancer and I’ve had it for nearly 2 decades. I have been to hospitals all across Australia and America, I have visited hundreds of doctors and gotten their opinions on my crazy situation. Natural remedies and such were suggested many many times. Cause unfortunately these kids and adults going through cancer are extremely low on hope, so even if these remedies don’t actually work, just giving the patient hope is a huge benefit in the doctors eyes. If you disagree with this you simply don’t know anything about oncology.

[@Dubinski2382]

So what should everyone eat? And why are cancer patients so low on hope if "standard" treatments are effective?

[@dylaroo24]

@@Dubinski2382 They are low on hope cause you are assuming that these “standard treatments” are effective. If they are so effective then why do I still have cancer after 2 decades? Why do I know at least 10 other people who have also had cancer for around 2 decades like me? Why is the survival rate for stage 4 cancers so low? Why are people so terrified of having a doctor telling them they have cancer if it’s so treatable? You know clearly know absolutely nothing about this topic and didn’t understand a word I was talking about. The point was that treatments don’t work, so kids and adults alike have no choice but to try everything, that includes to natural remedies stuff. Some patients report good effects, other report no effects, but it does no harm so doctors have no problem with it. The doctors often suggest it even as just a way to give people hope, it often happens after a failed treatment. For example I had 14 rounds of chemo therapy, that’s 2 weeks a round and you feel like you are dying cause you literally are. You think after 28 weeks of pain like that and not being able to eat properly that someone will have hope afterwards? You are insane if you think anyone would have hope after going through something like that, certainly not a 8 year old child. So yeah, doctors will try anything to cheer their patients up, even simple things like “Drink this fruit smoothie everyday, they say it has good effects on such and such”. It’s such simple logic it blows my mind you don’t understand it.

[@dylaroo24]

@@Dubinski2382 As for what people should eat, for normal people I would say eat a balanced diet. Do you need me to explain what a balanced diet is? If you have specific issues with certain nutrients or vitamins, then ask your doctor what you are lacking and look up foods to supplement that thing you are lacking, very simple shit, doesn’t require a very long explanation. The conversation can literally be as simple as: Doctor - “you need more fibre in your diet” patient - “So what should I eat then?” Doctor - “Well you could eat fruits like pears, strawberries or apples, avocado is also a good choice, but I recommend you do some research online to find what’s right for you.” The conversation is literally as simple as that. So of course talks about medicine is going to be a lot more complicated then this, but that doesn’t mean dieting an exercise become footnotes, that’s absurd.

[@codywilgus5243]

Yea as a pharmacist who took tons of classes with MDs we literally start every single disease state with ways to help without medicine including diet and exercise.

[@rumbletown69420]

I feel like she just likes to start the argument, make a couple points, and then backpedal and move on to the next. Still interesting and I think they should do more shows. There's a friendship brewing here, I think they both (really) enjoy arguing with each other.

[@SoulOfTorment]

Practical skills from being a waitress > MA in Spanish...I didn't take enough calculus to begin this proof. She sounds out of touch telling girls to go get a waitress job instead of education. Would she rather have women serve? Even the military is led by officers that are all educated. Steven's right when he says the right need to integrate liberal art degrees.

[@NateTripp]

I didn't hear "diet" or "exercise" even once during the pandemic. Seemed pretty important, but never heard it said in the mainstream.