Destiny vs Communist

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0:00 - Liberals side w/ fa$cists meme
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Lefty Arc

[@ambatukoom]

They're not gulags, they're just reeducation centers that we force our class enemies to live in indefinitely. PEPE.

[@user-gh1vc9kb4e]

Separate but equal

[@sudafedup]

Yeah, just because it is a priso-I mean camp that brainwa-reducates people doesn't mean it's a gulag.

[@user-gh1vc9kb4e]

@@sudafedup You never did tell me why you reject genocide when more people benefit than are harmed. You expressed a utilitarian inclination with regards to public/private ownership, but then you rejected it with regards to genocide. Care to explain?

[@sudafedup]

@@user-gh1vc9kb4e did you not read my other comment? Like literally at this point and time, I take no positions really on anything. I can't. I've already lost my views on socialism, I've already lost my views on ethics, I've already lost my views on basic self defense and putting pineapple on pizza. I just don't care to argue this because I dont have a position. I don't care. I'm apathetic right now to (almost) every position I used to hold. I'm fucking in the middle of reevaluating so much shit right now, I don't care. That's it. Edit: Qualifier. Almost.

[@user-gh1vc9kb4e]

@@sudafedup Okay... but you did say that you have a position on genocide, yes? I won't push the issue anymore, but it would be an understatement to say that your behavior has confused me up to now. I thought my questioning could have helped you find new ground. But if you are not willing to entertain it, then so it goes.

[@e.d.5766]

"Sometimes liberals help fascists overthrow communists" And sometimes communists help fascists overthrow liberals, or help liberals overthrow fascists. Sometimes within the exact same war.

[@ElNoobWithinV5321]

Sometimes

[@christianfox7431]

What war are you talking about?

[@e.d.5766]

@@christianfox7431 In WW2 the Soviets invaded Poland with the Nazis and went on to fight against them, eventually seizing Eastern Germany.

[@christianfox7431]

@@e.d.5766 well yeah, if I'm not mistaken the Soviet Union had a non aggression pact with Germany, and then Hitler tried taking the initiative and just attacked the Soviet Union, leading them to join the allies and retaliate against Germany.

[@jonsmith590]

Kind of ironic that some leftists call Trump a fascist, not disagreeing with that description, then unironically claim leftists should vote for Trump to spite America, and then they say that Liberals are the ones supporting fascists. That's a pretty funny meme right there.

[@TrentonF505]

If we ever get put in re-education camps I want this guy to make the training videos

[@harrisonhutsell1072]

He’s the camp counselor that we need.

[@Odinsday]

It would make concentration camps 100x more bearable

[@Americansikkunt]

Who would do that? GLAAD and AOC are already calling for lists of Trump supporters, to blacklist from employment. This is how groups end up in concentration camps....

[@SUFHolbek]

@@Americansikkunt I too believe in random bullshit I read online

[@MrMango331]

@@harrisonhutsell1072 But don't deserve

[@ReddoFreddo]

Note to editor: take the audio of some of the completely quiet parts of Destiny's stream, known as the "room tone," and use it so you don't get dead sound every time a curse word is muted.

[@BrandonMitchell10205]

This is the only thing this editor could do better. Literally perfect otherwise haha

[@landonech]

Well I mean...he was listening to music. That would be mad time consuming for this specific stream.

[@rreeeekk]

But the dead sound makes it more clear a curse is being muted, right? I don't know anything but it seems like the room tone might get a little confusing when they just stop talking? Maybe not.

[@ReddoFreddo]

​@@landonech You don't have to account for the music because that would be infeasible. It would be less distracting if room tone was applied, but music stopping and starting isn't as annoying as room tone stopping and starting. You don't notice the sound of your refrigerator until it switches on, and you don't notice the lack of your refrigerator sound until it switches off, that stuff is really distracting, music is different because you are aware of it, your mind doesn't drown it out, so when it's turned off, you're not going like "Wait what just happened?"

[@ReddoFreddo]

@@rreeeekk A shove in the back is more clear than a tap on the soldier, doesn't mean the shove in the back is always the better option. The transition from room tone to dead sound is very noticeable, I agree, but that's also what makes it distracting.

[@gountaa]

" i expected we could have a good faith discussion about our philosophies" TL:DR : "i was hoping he wouldn't challenge any of my claims"

[@ilovetoeatoff]

True.

[@pengwin_]

For real. It was also very condescending to think he was going to "enlighten" destiny one some "ideas".

[@bobjenkins4925]

'He didn't let my girlfriend Luna go on an extended monologue full of dubious claims so I was shocked at how disrespectful he was'

[@thecoaltrain666]

sick minecraft gameplay bro

[@Maitraya01]

Good meme

[@pergrinepi3130]

Watching it through chat

[@WordUser]

I watch destiny for Minecraft widepeepoHappy

[@Yargasblarg1]

What's the reason it's blocked off?

[@DanielEidi]

@@Yargasblarg1 wanted to ask the same thing. It can't be due to legal reasons

[@Zonno5]

You know, Stalin was like really liberal.

[@holyflygon]

yea really liberally ending populations and draining lakes causing famine.

[@Green-tf8uw]

@@holyflygon he took the liberty to do whatever the fuck he wanted, his "liberalism" aplied to himself only I guess lol

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

"Stalin was a liberal cuck, he's not a real communist like me." - NonCompete

[@olksdr3989]

Yeah, look at how easily he sides with fascists in 1939-41.

[@levvy3006]

The Non Agression Pact was not "allying" with the Nazi regime. Why do liberals keep these lies alive. North and South Korea have a Non Agression Pact very similar too the Soviet and Nazi pact. It's not allying with them.

[@jsgdk]

"The reason my system does not work is because other systems exist"

[@viero13]

Took longer than it should have for me to realize this isn't Peter Coffin

[@Gametastica]

This isn't Peter Coffin!?

[@KhaanMuadDib]

DREWWWWWW

[@halfbloodprincess989]

I think it's the slimey-guy, I got into a 'debate' recently with one of his fans, who told me my liberal takes are very wrong and I should watch a thoughtslime-video on anarchism. *This dudes fans are too lazy to even articulate their own points!* I watched the slimey video the guy lnked, it gave me aids.

[@Wot-pu7su]

lol i thought you said peter griffin at first

[@halfbloodprincess989]

@Aaron Hackett Hahahaha

[@spencerbuck1074]

This said anarcho communist in the title when I got the notification

[@Nsaf_UKR]

Vaush would get clicks

[@ataridc]

Prove it

[@spencerbuck1074]

@@ataridc how can I send you a screenshot? Are you on the destiny discord?

[@alexxander9428]

I did too lol

[@anthonytom-duyquang3558]

It would be far better if he kept the original title, so people might realize that there are other forms of communism besides Marxism-Leninism.

[@farisabuain6832]

I used to be an unironic AnCom; and then I turned 15. Oh how woefully ignorant my younger self was.

[@aagh8714]

forreal its weird how you have 13 year old kids these days who are full on anarchocommunecapitalistfascists who spend all their time talking about political conspiracy theories instead of playing football or world of warcraft or whatever normal kids do

[@SailorGeorge]

destiny: i'm done with the lefty arc also destiny:

[@benross9174]

The lefty arc never ended, my dude

[@spencerbuck1074]

The election is over, we can watch lefties get ripped apart all we want

[@RJG7203]

@@spencerbuck1074 In other words back to brunch. I wouldn't be surprised seeing some dems forget about kids in cages.

[@Dinobot2]

@@benross9174 That's his point. It never ended despite Destiny's insistence in the past that he was done with it.

[@caseypdx503]

The lefty arc never ended, because lefties never stopped REEEE-ing

[@ekmopon]

minecraft gameplay (SevTech modpack)

[@Quargame]

minecraft gameplay (SevTech modpack)

[@JWTiberius]

minecraft gameplay (SevTech modpack)

[@hah1738]

whats the point of hiding it, is it copywrite? lol

[@xbaneet3969]

@@hah1738 ye why wtf

[@legaliseme]

X BANEET because otherwise like 50% of the comments will be asking what modpack he is playing instead of anything to do with the discussion lol

[@rabidnative0000]

"i did not want to debate Destiny, i just wanted to show him some ideas and get his opinion of them"

[@kallzor8675]

Can’t believe how GIGA BRAIN that super well read that comrade is! I hope I can send him tons of money since he’s a real hard working-class man!

[@kallzor8675]

@Tomislav Puklin mate, acting poor on Twitter while making bank is not a good look for anyone. I’m not saying he shouldn’t make money at all. I don’t hate people for being rich so why would I? I’m making fun of his and other lefties pathetic attempt to fit in with their fans as “fellow working class” while they’re making 30K a month on patreon lmao.

[@GreyKnight7777]

At least he knew the CIA was involved in Chile and didn't say the exact opposite of what really happened. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@SaborSalek]

@Tomislav Puklin I mean, the Soviet Union fucked over Anarchists in Spain - *THE* socialist movement there at the time - and effectively handed the win over to the fascists because they were anarchists and not Marxist-Leninists. If it weren’t for Soviet interference, parts of Spain could have been an anarchist society today... Also not to forget how the Soviet Union sided with the Nazis to fuck over Poland. Really classy. Or when socialists in the Weimar Republic preferred a Nazi government over a SocDem one thinking that after the Nazi reign „our time would come“ according to the leader of the communist party, Thälmann - Said before he was put into a concentration camp right afterwards - believing in the nonsense „theory“ that was „social fascism“. We can sit here and pretend all day it never happened, but socialist movements historically aligned quite often with fascists because „the Libs were the real fascists“.

[@anthonytom-duyquang3558]

@@kallzor8675 I have no problem with you arguing against his points but trying to invoke the tu quoque fallacy is not the way to go. Trust me, it's getting repetitive, you can't empathize with the fellow people when you are rich? Seriously?

[@SaborSalek]

@@anthonytom-duyquang3558 You can emphasise with them, but don’t Play the aesthetics of being poor just for clout. That’s what quite a lot of them are doing and why they are now hiding their Patreon money.

[@beejcarson]

That intro made me dumber just for hearing it.

[@Mightyzep]

If liberals weigh less than a duck, then... they’re a witch.

[@topy706]

quite some mind gymnastics in the intro

[@illestvillain1971]

I'm afraid it's the opposite. You can't have a thought process if you are brain-dead.

[@djwithdk7084]

@@illestvillain1971 GOTTEM

[@AmineSamus]

Destiny it's true that the CIA didn't install Pinochet, but they did assist in overthrowing Allende and the military junta. Also i do think he has a point about capitalists stopping socialist government. If you just established your economy, it's extremely prone to being overtaken by already long established economies because the former hasn't had time to strengthen their defenses. I don't think your argument there is good.

[@sammygreco]

What do you mean "strengthen their defenses"? Every communist society has self-imploded. Communist societies fought wars to BECOME communist societies, and then miserably failed in the aftermath. Destiny is absolutely correct in claiming that if your economic system crumbles just due to the sheer fact that another one exists, your economic system is bad.

[@civilengineer3349]

@@sammygreco Your claim is wrong. Cuba is a communist republic that hasn't imploded. Iran was becoming a communist republic but it was destroyed by a CIA backed military coup. The cases of self implosion such as the Soviet Union had much more to do with the people demanding democracy and protesting against dictatorship rather than big popular support for capitalism.

[@sammygreco]

@@civilengineer3349 Nice singular example of a country that has had over 1 million citizens flee to America when the population of the whole country is less than 12 million. Sounds like heaven. I don't care about "on their way to be" or "almost could have been". That's just speculation. All communists can do is argue strictly in theory, because all real world examples have been shit compared to capitalist counter parts. And then communists will cry "it wasn't real communism" and turn around and point fingers at western nations and their corruption, as if they are the whole and pure examples of capitalism. Communists argue in theory only in defense, and then when it suits them criticize the untheoretical examples of states of "capitalism", as if these states are the 100% embodiment of the theory of capitalism. It's disingenuous at best. Pathetic mental gymnastics is more accurate of a statement.

[@ashiok]

@@sammygreco *1 Million Cuban citizens fleeing due to an embargo (which is the doing of the states, by the way) + members of the previous upper class who are obviously going to dislike communism. Pretty much nobody advocating for communism ever claims that the bourgeoisie and their intelligentsia + state-military apparatus associates are going to enjoy living under communism--of course they will flee/revolt. But these 'Capitalist counterparts' being fled to are the furthest thing from heaven imaginable--your broader point about the theoretical vs. the practical is incoherent in the sense that we too are critiquing the real-world examples of capitalism, by the same grounds (i.e. judging the real world) that you are critiquing communism (judging real examples of its implementation). If you want to make the claim that these capitalistic instances, with all of their inherent faults, do not count, and that we instead ought to examine capitalism's *theoretical* justifications extraneously scrutinized apart from their failed real contexts, then you are committing the same 'fallacy' you accuse communists of committing. "And then communists will cry "it wasn't real communism" and turn around and point fingers at western nations and their corruption, as if they are the whole and pure examples of capitalism." ... so, your implication here results in the same theoretical posturing that you fundamentally take issue with, to justify an economic system. This is patently hypocritical. So, which is it? I won't argue for the merits of communism from a theoretical standpoint; rather, I will affirm that the prior historical instances of it were predominantly positive. Yes, this is including and doubling-down on death counts (which are not at all exclusive or even exceptional). The 'theoretical' aspect to this real-world set of citations isn't there--I am not arguing in theory here. I'm only offering appraisal from a real-world standpoint. The difference is that I don't see the aspects of communism that you consider to be failures, as failures. There is nothing objective about your value judgment, and should you protest this point, then you necessarily commit the act of engaging in 'theory' (which you so deeply detest doing). Where you might make the mistake of conflating the ideological lens that biases me, however, is in labeling the ideology by which I derive ethical suppositions to be coterminous with the 'theoretical', but this would be a category error, since ideological frameworks understood in approval of readily existing states of affairs is something conceptually different than the theoretical pontification over what does not, and has not, ever existed. Furthermore, if we extrapolate your statement that all communists can do is argue in theory due to our examples being 'shit', we're immediately confronted with a loaded value judgment, which bears no relation to anything neutrally factual, and is instead your imposed interpretation of the facts as they relate to communism's conditions. For example, you or I can both say something like 'X ideology resulted in Y deaths', and that would be factual, but the value judgment made in relation to that thing cannot be derived from the fact of the matter. We cannot, on the sole basis of that fact, claim with equivalent factuality that the idea itself, relating to that fact's context, is 'good' or 'bad'. This is philosophically classical and standard--that you cannot derive an ought from an is (and if this might be considered too 'theoretical', know that this philosophical principle of logic is in no way intrinsic to communism or communist actors--it is a basic principle of logic that operates independently of any political association--it so happens to apply here because you have implicitly suggested the conditions of something to be negative as if they speak for themselves--i.e. that they are an ought from an is), is something long-established. Were I a capitalist, I could still point this out with equal significance, because your own error here is, again, just fundamentally one of logic, irrespective of my actorship. And lastly, your entire premise boils down to 'might makes right', in relation to Destiny's core point. Funny, given that here we encounter an overlap with a certain political system starting with the letter 'F', as the subject matter of the contested video concerns. I think what is disingenuous is that you obviously have no mind towards ever ceding your neoliberal worldview, and so choosing to engage in a dialogue in which all the opposing side can anticipate from you is vehemence and vitriol is, much to the surprise of noone, going to be a worthless endeavour.

[@sammygreco]

@@ashiok tl;dr

[@BartJBols]

The wikipedia article on pinochet does state the CIA was instrumental to the coop. Combined with several sources proving at least political to somtimes material support before the coop.

[@bigsoso20]

I like Destiny a lot but he's so dishonest when it comes to discussing socialism

[@Zafraud]

@@bigsoso20 yeah it's pretty ridiculous the actual CIA released files from 2000 literally have a section titled "Propaganda in Support of Pinochet Regime". It really pushes me away from his content because it's not just with socialism I've found so many inconsistencies and him just blatantly spreading misinformation.

[@Leinja]

"Make their economy scream!" - Richard Nixon, discussing what to do with Chile

[@_audacity2722]

Pinochet was simply a part of "Operation: Condor." 100,000 working class brothers and sisters were killed in Chile and Argentina throughout the 70s. The well runs much deeper than you think. Learning about the ways the US has exported and propped up fascism across the Third World is exactly what radicalized me to become a socialist. Capitalists will NEVER stop until the last stone and the last worker are bled dry. It's a system that devours itself.

[@jelmargerritsen]

It doesn't appear to be such a clear-case though. The article on Pinochet does push that there was CIA involvement (though not direct, as in "they created the conditions for the coup", and the "evidence" is pretty weak all-around), but read the wiki page on "United States intervention in Chile" (which the Pinochet article links to for more info) and you'll see that it's an active discussion without real concensus (a common criticism is also that the situation isn't 100% black and white like "US/CIA did or didn't do it", and treating it as such is too US-centric (internal/other external factors also matter)). Compared to other CIA involvement of which there's more evidence, this one is iffy imo

[@dallasmoorenumberone]

"It was liberal democracy's that actually ended fascism too' Communist Soviet Union would like a word about your take on WWII history.

[@aagh8714]

fascism fucked itself over with CRIIIINGE takes like the four year plan, which didn't even happen for four years and was garbage

[@partychairman5882]

@@aagh8714 who got to berlin first?

[@BlooCollaGal]

Funny how the Soviet Union is communist when they do things you like and a Stalinist Dictatorship when they do things you don't. No true Scotsman, eh?

[@TheVideoRepo]

US has put far more fascist regimes in power than they have removed. In Greece, Brazil, Argentina, Chile. It's amazing how little Americans know about their own country's recent history.

[@BlooCollaGal]

@@TheVideoRepo Bunch of countries nobody in America gives a crap about. I'd bet most Americans couldn't point to Argentina on a map.

[@M2Capital01]

Just a minor pushback, I would say that blm currently does have this socialist/anti capitalist system connotation when speaking about police issues. As an african American who sees on social media this weird musing between socialist anarchist language into black twitter when speaking about blm. I appreciate liberals who for arguments sake seperate the two but i think blm at this point is connected to a weird sort of marxist framework. The 1619 project as well as the way people talk about mass incarceration I would argue come from a marxist framework. I would love to discuss this more with you as a black econ grad student.

[@lholliday198]

Hit him up on email buddy, that sounds like an amazing conversation. As an Anti-Marxist BLM supporter, I would love to hear your thoughts

[@skullthunder3181]

Well, marxism in itself does not inherently lead to socialism, it is just a lense to critique the capitalist world through. So it would make sense to adopt the ideology of dialectical materialism when looking at institutionalized racism in america.

[@kgm4556]

That sounds like a really interesting discussion, hope you reach out.

[@lholliday198]

@@skullthunder3181 it's like cancer in text form

[@danporter1176]

@@skullthunder3181 why does it have to be about marxism or capitalism as destiny states in the video, both can be, and have been racist.

[@culaso2000]

CIA had nothing to do with 1973 coup? Love u buddy but really bad take. Not to say i have some special authority on the matter but as a Chilean we go through this in highschool

[@Jazzyluvsyou100]

Any reliable source?

[@Porky7805]

@@Jazzyluvsyou100 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile#1973_coup

[@Jazzyluvsyou100]

@@Porky7805 this literally says that there is no hard evidence that us intervention affected the coup

[@Godofhandles]

​@@Jazzyluvsyou100 yeah its called a google search literally did a google search and found a nyt article about it www.nytimes.com/2017/10/14/world/americas/chile-coup-cia-museum.html

[@Porky7805]

@@Jazzyluvsyou100 "CIA had nothing to do with Pinochet coming to power" is what Destiny said, which is false. He would be correct if he said "CIA did not stage the 1973 coup" but that is not what he said.

[@keanucoetzee8627]

Yo, where de heck is my minecraft letsplay. I'm sure I left it here. Hell, I even marked it. 5:30 found it!

[@doesntMetter1]

The logic in that opening video if _x ≠ y_ then _x=y_

[@DonVoghano]

LOL the CIA had nothing to do with Pinochet. They just undermined Chile for a century and failed a first coup. But nothing to do with Pinochet specifically. Good take Steven.

[@ParkrinkBeats]

1. The cia had nothing to do with Pinochet 2. They undermined Chile for a century Pick one

[@DonVoghano]

@@ParkrinkBeats That is my point exactly. I think Destiny is going with the declassified cables mentioning that in the second and successful coup the military moved on Allende without the CIA, which was informed less than a week prior to the coup. Even if we take this fact at face value it takes a special kind of cognitive deficiency to say that the CIA had nothing to do with it. By then they had multiple coup plans, a failed coup, isolated the country financially and diplomatically by all means conceivable and heavily financed and directed political opposition for decades.

[@imkrut]

@@DonVoghano Exactly, even if we take everything at face value, and go with the premise that the US/CIA didn't directly intervene on the specific day that the coup took place, are we seriously going to act like they had nothing to do with the events that occurred (despite those being explicitly recognized in several documents). What a fucking joke of a take, illogical from top to bottom.

[@justaboi4791]

Whenever destiny tries to recall history after accusing leftists of revisionism you can bet 20 he's about to do some grade a revisionism

[@legaliseme]

Uhhhh I dno about destiny’s take on Pinochet either, the British were definitely giving him help, and we don’t get to do nothing no more without a nod from the yanks...

[@WarhaulAndy]

I see whoever made the thumbnail has a lot of passion for graphic design. Great work!

[@jack-eu2jz]

no ones gonna mention how he's wrong about Pinochet 🤔🤔🤔

[@freedom_mayor]

what the hell "Do Rightwingers kill each other?".... Google Night of the Long Knives plz

[@AatamiKankurin]

Imagine not realizing that your position is so detestable that your ideological opponents would rather align with fascists than you.

[@AatamiKankurin]

@@williams1704 I'm saying that from the communist's point of view, he's mad that liberals would rather side with fascists than him. How reality plays out is irrelevant.

[@dylangeorgeson6580]

The lefty dude was an embarrassment to leftists but Destiny defending "might is right" is pretty cringe

[@Lewa500]

He did that to trigger this guy's wife. But he's not wrong. If your system is so weak it falls apart the moment it gets challenged, it's not a good system.

[@TheHadMatters]

​@@Lewa500 It doesn't fall apart "the moment it gets challenged", it falls apart the moment it gets challenged *by a majority.* (Of force or number, depending on the method) The same would apply to capitalism. I don't have a problem with nuanced takes on the benefits of capitalism, but this is just a terrible take. All it would require in this regard for communism to be ready to be employed is more people to support it.

[@erikprantare696]

@@Lewa500 idk Vietnam managed to beat the fucking US though

[@666Kaca]

@@Lewa500 Pretty sure usa lost the war btw

[@chrisp4908]

He’s comparing early stage socialism to late stage capitalism. It’s literal baby brained shit, but libs gonna lib.

[@moselaw2]

people on the left literally just define any non-democratic capitalist system as fascism. He said South Vietnam in the Vietnam war was fascist?? in what world??

[@skullthunder3181]

Well, capitalism by default is undemocratic. Usually only hardcore marxist leninists will say anything that isnt socialism/communism is "social fascism" (regarding social democracy) or something along those lines. But basically the idea is capitalism supports and leads to fascism, which is why some lefties will call socdems like Destiny social fascists or even just call regular neolibs fascists

[@dt_msys454]

When I was flirting with lefty ideas, NonCompete's video series on anarcho-communism was always recommended. The series that the "peaceful reeducation facilities" shit is from. I can't say I was convinced. But then I found Destiny's content from the same people arguing about whether Destiny was left enough. Thanks, BreadTube subreddit.

[@wren4077]

I'm the same in a sense. I was really into the stuff Jordan Peterson was talking about but (not the sjw owned compilations) just so I didn't let myself be surrounded by an echo chamber, I would look for stuff against him, people talking about stuff he's wrong about and that's where I found destiny. Who knows, I might've fallen into the Crowder Shapiro type trap next. Honestly, I'm happy to listen to Peterson for some of his stuff with the criticisms Destiny and other rational viewers lay on him knowing the underlying implications of what some of the things he talks about, might have.

[@postmodernneomarxist3056]

Destiny has fairly good policy takes, but his spite over the left is insane. Yes, there are dumb lefties as there are dumb libs. If you want to hear good leftist theory, look up Richard Wolff or Noam Chomsky. Vaush, Ben Burgis, and Michael Brooks also do/did great content. Reality is, progressive libs and socialists should be aligned on almost every policy issue, and given the right conditions, I think most progressive libs would make the move to socialism anyway.

[@clonosfreid6658]

@@postmodernneomarxist3056 He has spite over both "leftists" and "rightists" and this is watching just a few videos of his. Just wanted to clear that up since it's not hard to decipher that.

[@postmodernneomarxist3056]

@@clonosfreid6658 I think you need to watch more, because there's a huge difference. He dislikes conservatives because he disagrees with their policies. But he makes these weird bad faith attacks on leftists and gets in ridiculously heated arguments that you don't see with anyone on the right. Here's a few examples. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6Cnl6eegZeqY7s kzbin.info/www/bejne/qojTgoKogJWcaqM

[@valipunctro]

Slips towards fascism are more common than you think, basically every country in Europe has a semi successful fascist party. And the example of Hungary should scare us all,a liberal democracy in the EU,fell to it.

[@vision2dark]

They are not fascists, they are just taking away freedoms, while being ultranationalists, anti gay, anti foreign/refugee, islamophobe, destroying freedom of the press, denying the holocaust ( até least in poland). Kill me

[@NoRace]

You're wrong about Pinochet.. John Perkins Proves you wrong

[@lholliday198]

SHIPPED TO REFORM CENTERS LOL

[@erdemoztarhan6376]

Wow, that re-education guy doesn't sound like a fascist at all...

[@postmodernneomarxist3056]

Tankies are essentially alt-nazbols, or in other words, fascists. They're class reductionist authoritarians who want command economies. Leftism is essentially about brining democracy and equality through the opposition of hierarchy and aligning peoples class interests. Tankies don't stand for any of that.

[@pnkcasperr1369]

@@postmodernneomarxist3056 last time i checked re-education was a an-com not a tankie but okay?

[@RisenSlash]

An-com's don't generally support re-education camps because that type pf thing requires a state to enforce it. It seems like a lot of people that call themselves anarchists "aren't actually" anarchists.

[@postmodernneomarxist3056]

@@Vertimadable You're doing quite the mental gymnastics to justify these "reeducation camps". Whether or not it's state run is irrelevant. You want the government forcing adults into "reeducation centers" because they disagree with your ideology. That's literally what fascists do.

[@TonyIsntGood]

Why aren't the livestreams being added to the playlist August and Tiny?

[@JakisNojus]

2020 destiny would end this guy’s career

[@karimshebeika8010]

is 2020 Destiny a mythical fighter concept? Like JDS with Hair or Daddy Cerrone?

[@JakisNojus]

@@karimshebeika8010 yes

[@andrejjelcic3675]

Blood sports!!! LMAO

[@ViteloElyos]

Nah, 2020 destiny is good in making people's careers. Unfortunately. He gives them a platform, who then gather an audience, just because they say stuff that the audience already agrees with.

[@Crunkz21]

the re education camp sounds alot like that house where my great grand father was shot for not changing his mind

[@didymus3348]

Strange how people who accept and champion non-binary gender identities have such a binary view of politics.

[@ian-ik8fe]

Buddy doesn't know one thing about Chile

[@Zafraud]

@Hggg Ggg The CIA literally reports they spread propaganda in support of the Military Junta Regime. They didn't care who the leader was but that doesn't mean they didn't help Pinochet get into power when they clearly spread positively reinforced propaganda for him and his group. The section is literally titled Propaganda in Support of Pinochet Regime like what LMAO www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/chile/#9

[@Zafraud]

@Hggg Ggg If spreading propaganda in favor of someone after removing the prior party from power isn't directly assisting him into that now open position of power then idk what to tell you it's just semantics at that point. They very deliberately and clearly assisted him to power even if they "didn't put him in power" Destiny also stated the CIA had absolutely nothing to do with Pinochet which is just blatantly incorrect regardless of they "put him into power".

[@curtisyue182]

10:57 "When she discussed the harm inflicted orn her country..." Brett Keane is that you???

[@michaelgordon7204]

Material conditions are different for each state. Poorer countries are susceptible to outside influence. But america is the strongest imperial capitalist power in the world. Who do you think would interfere with america if it became socialist?

[@FlippinT]

The 3am upload for today

[@SyntheticMew]

Reading the comments is weird. I remember reading the comments under that debate and y’all were not on destinys side at all

[@LightSkinnedSuge]

that is that “you gah-nome fuck” clip from.. i want to play it when the gnome annoys me in my next game

[@CrazyCircles1]

Anarchism? That dude would flinch when I enter the room. He would be one of the first guys who would be held upside down by their ankles, getting their gold coins shaken out of their pockets.

[@TheRadPlayer]

Compassionate Re-Education Camp Commissar Non-Compete reporting for daily spanking.

[@Cronhour]

"Liberals have only sided with fascism like three times" except post war All of the middle East, South America, Asia etc.

[@rifter0x0000]

The Ba'ath sided with Nazis even though they claimed to be socialists, but I have seen the claim they were influenced from the beginning. Certainly by the time they got actual power they were doing things that were aligned with fascism and of course their antisemitism helped with fascist acceptance. I'm not sure they ever really implemented socialism though but my knowledge of middle eastern history from that period is kind of weak. I don't think Imperial Japan counts as liberal or neoliberal, and as far as I know the South American governments who supported fascism were right wing extremists.

[@Cronhour]

@@rifter0x0000 I'm taking about European and American foreign policy enabling dictators over democracies and socialist states for the last 70 years. Iran, South Korea, Argentina, Boliva. The list goes on.

[@didymus3348]

Most of those regimes were not fascist. Not every non-communist authoritarian government is fascist.

[@Cronhour]

@@didymus3348 sure. You can try and make an argument that many of those nationalist, right-wing authoritarian dictatorship's that regimented society and their economy (often to our benefit,) and who violently suppressed opposition weren't facist. You can can try and do that. It's just a little ridiculous.

[@didymus3348]

​@@Cronhour I don't have to try. Hardly any experts on fascism call them fascist.

[@TypetwoAbsolute]

I have no skin in the game in regards to politics but the fact that the US was involved in the planning and monetary support of the Chilean dictatorship coup is plainly known knowledge among the people of Chile and Santiago, now how directly they were involved is up for debate but Destiny is wrong here.

[@yoboi267]

also when the fuck are people going to realize "I wasn't prepared for a debate" is not a good excuse. If you know what you're talking about you should always be prepared for a debate.

[@ChaseFace]

He pulled out like 4 excuses for his poor etiquette, he hearts every comment shitting on Destiny, super sore loser.

[@GreyKnight7777]

Destiny got the bit about the CIA in Chile completely wrong. They were actively involved in his rise to power, and it's thoroughly documented in their own declassified documents.

[@israXDD]

This

[@justaboi4791]

Whenever destiny tries to recall history after accusing leftists of revisionism you can bet 20 he's about to do some grade a revisionism

[@Vizceral]

As a french viewer, I can't believe you've done this

[@smiff513]

Why is the minecraft blocked out but I can see it in chat background is it scuffed ??

[@maxcleghorn]

Why did you censor the minecraft gameplay? Like it literally just takes away from the video rather than adding anything

[@TheFearnax]

man it bugs me when they're discussing how there have only been 2 and a half fascist regimes. I can't tell if it's a joke or if they're entirely ignoring history.. also the meme that "fascists are allied with socialists because their common enemy is the liberal" c'mon bruh you have to realize that socialists (and hopefully liberals too) realize that an enemy of your enemy is not your friend necessarily.. I'm probably taking something meant to be a meme too seriously but it's frustrating lmao

[@dexter21380]

NonCompete may be exagerating a little bit. Is excessively anti-liberal. Anyhow, was it technically liberal democracies that ended fascism? (Like Destiny says) I VERY much doubt it. Thats without even counting that in fact in many countries it was the communists within them (within the liberal democracies) that were the majority of people who opposed fascist troops. This undoubtably was the case for my own country, Greece. I'd think you need to keep up on your history Destiny.

[@baragsen]

Destiny really just has dumb takes on history. Nazi Germany would have never been beat without the USSR and the communist uprisings in many countries in Europe

[@justaboi4791]

Whenever destiny tries to recall history after accusing leftists of revisionism you can bet 20 he's about to do some grade a revisionism

[@legaliseme]

The Molotov Ribbentrop pact kind of a bit more nuanced than that but yeah.... something about how soviet union basically knew the Germans would invade Poland regardless and it made more sense for them to control the parts of Poland that they ended up controlling than letting the Germans either come right up to their borders and be within shooting distance of their industrial centres, or just have some useless rump polish buffer state. There’s also some conjecture that maybe the soviets wouldn’t have ended up going along with Germany’s designs had they not been excluded by France and Britain from conferences relating to the annexation of Sudetenland because they were afraid it might lead to war with Germany, which they were trying to appease at that time wheras the soviets were by that point one of the only major military supporters of Republican Spain, which was effectively serving as a communist vs fascist proxy war between Germany and the Soviet Union. Basically there was blood on every bodies hand at that point in time, and due to the fact the actual pact wasn’t even known about till the end of the war when the western allies captured German documents, I am kind of doubtful that it would have had any effect on American communist political movements or their support, as destiny claims here. Also the historical occasion where the nazis ended up killing a bunch of other nazis, right wingers and basically any political opponents that Hitler deemed a threat to his hegemony, was called the night of the long knives, the most famous victim of which was Ernst Röhm, the head of the SA (the brown shirts/stormtroopers), at this point he had already exiled or imprisoned most of the left wing elements within political society, and this was a good 4 years before kristallnacht, or the night of broken glass which was the beginning of the pogroms against the Jews, well ... the beginning of the Holocaust really....

[@Leo501st]

1:13 that *CRIN-ggggge* hit so much harder than it should've

[@illistas]

I like his weird pokémon logic.

[@MCFinest2013]

14:57 yea so I went on Wikipedia like destiny said and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile#Pinochet_regime Either he’s lying or he’s wrong

[@Oaki_wan]

Destiny said the CIA had nothing to do with Pinochet coming to power, the Wikipedia article also stated that the CIA supported the junta *after* the overthrow of Allende. How's he wrong?

[@Porky7805]

@@Oaki_wan en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile >In September 1970, President Nixon found that an Allende government in Chile would not be acceptable and authorized $10 million to stop Allende from coming to power or unseat him. As part of the Track II initiative, the CIA used false flag operatives to approach Chilean military officers, to encourage them to carry out a coup. >In the Chilean coup of 1973, Augusto Pinochet rose to power, overthrowing the democratically elected president Salvador Allende. A subsequent September 2000 report from the CIA, using declassified documents related to the military coup, found that the CIA "probably appeared to condone" the 1973 coup, but that there was "no evidence" that the US actually participated in it. >Transcripts of a phone conversation between Kissinger and Nixon reveal that they didn't have a hand in the final coup. They do take credit for creating the conditions that led to the coup. Kissinger says that "they created the conditions as great as possible." Nixon and Kissinger also discussed how they would play this event with the media and lamented the fact that, if this were the era of Eisenhower, then they would be seen as heroes. >The U.S. provided material support to the military regime after the coup, although criticizing it in public. A document released by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in 2000, titled "CIA Activities in Chile", revealed that the CIA actively supported the military junta after the overthrow of Allende and that it made many of Pinochet's officers into paid contacts of the CIA or U.S. military, even though some were known to be involved in human rights abuses. tldr: there is no evidence that the CIA perpetrated the 1973 coup but the CIA supported coups against allende and helped create conditions for a successful coup.

[@GKJusticar55]

How did this guy take so long to make a response video?

[@leepinlepin]

Remember, non compete wanted creators of KZbin to boycott the platform...and we all know how successful that was....😂😂

[@instakillgaming]

Grilling

[@Twistedhippy]

Early af

[@civilengineer3349]

I used to think anarchism is to rebel against bad rules. These "reform centers" are a nightmare. They're prisons for crimes such as being a capitalist (private business owner). I agree that socialism is a good economic system if one defines socialism as public goods and worker cooperatives. I don't understand whats with the hate against liberals from communists. I don't think every capitalist is a liberal. Many private business owners are conservatives who oppose liberalism. If anything, many communists including Karl Marx himself were liberals at some point and they agree that liberalism is a necessary prerequisite for communism.

[@MrPumaralant]

Yo yesterday I got recommended a video of "This feels so idealised... Destiny Debates NonCompete"...KZbinr algo can predict the future omg XD

[@gregbrohl8340]

The U.S had nothing to do with Pinochet's rise to Power...... Don't tell Nixon that haha

[@weebtrash6119]

Left always eats the left

[@aagh8714]

i'll let you decide who's the enemy, who's the enemy who's the enemy

[@userSoulguy]

This is the best minecraft gameplay (SevTech modpack) I've ever seen!

[@r3dlavigne]

left stop eating their own challenge (impossible edition)

[@TinkXIII]

A bit disingenuous to mention Hassan without mentioning that he DEFINITELY made it clear that tucker is no ally.

[@harryb12993]

Hes more condemning Hassan for praising someone for saying something thats just popular. “Eggs and bacon tastes nice.” “Oh wow, hes right, kinda based, woah.” Hes not saying he loves Tucker now, he just doesn’t agree with him showing praise for such an obvious comment.

[@maka8551]

@@harryb12993 stfu

[@joex90]

what is that sound effect at 20:20?

[@realsocratease]

"Every extreme is on the same team" as the kids say.

[@TyckledPynk]

Is Minecraft tos now?

[@55Noco]

These people love their word play, "Reform Centers" if they agree, "separated indefinitely" if they don't lol

[@roberteriksen6434]

I always feel it's all so ridiculous when they talk about worldwide economical changes, and immidiately unironically change to 'is Destiny allowed in'. It's like they are talking about a treehouse in their backyard, but with re-educationcamps.

[@SilverTemplar]

The CIA themselves even admit to backing the Pinochet regime and created propaganda against Allende and in indirect support of his regime. They also admit to working closely with several of his officers and likely continuing to fund then in private due to previous arrangements (although they ceased funding Chile directly by June 1974). The CIA admitted to helping the coup against him and even assassinated the commander-in-chief who supported the constitution and vowed to keep the military apolitical. To say they did not back Pinochet's regime is a bit misleading. I'm saying this as literally a liberal too. www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/chile/

[@vladrxpx]

That time Destiny used the argument "well why did your system fail if it was a good system, durrr" was very sleazy. Kinda makes sense, since he usually states he hates history and knows nothing about it. Then with 200% certainty claims that CIA had nothing to do with Pinochet.

[@chrisp4908]

This dude literally cannot grasp the materialist conception of history, but petite bourgeois gonna petite bourgeois I guess.

[@vladrxpx]

@Jack take into account history and geopolitics, wars, struggles in the region, especially when you have foreign intervention that works against that system.. it's easy to boast on the other side when your country was founded on racism and slavery, and now all you have to do is virtue signal to everyone else about your woke pronouns. but durrr iT dIdNT wOrK sO I CaN EaT My Buwgew at McDawnalds durrr.

[@Originalchili]

@@vladrxpx it didn't work though, are you seriously arguing that good ideas are all suppressed by bad ideas? You think socialism/communism doesn't work because capitalism just won't let it?

[@hospod163]

Liberal democracies ended fascism when most of the fighting happened in the soviet union : |

[@beejcarson]

It times kicking the fascists out North Africa and Italy and Imperialists out of the South Pacific, Polynesia, The Philippines, South East Asia and China. The coms did their part and we did ours.

[@MClaudiusMarcellus]

@@beejcarson Something like 80% of German casualties were at the hands of the Russians.

[@betohax]

Yeah you're right. The ussr could've single handedly ended world war 2. The US didn't end the war nor did they need to get involved. Huge brain take there.

[@beejcarson]

@@MClaudiusMarcellus I'm not arguing that the Russians didn't do a lot of heavy lifting on the eastern front, but that was possible because of the material aid sent by the US and the Russians not having to split its war effort to fight the nazis AND japan which the US DID while supplying all their allies with mountains of material aid.

[@erikprantare696]

@@betohax This but unironically

[@rockandrollbit]

Judging by the host’s eyes, the production of his sleep has been seized, jesus dude, take a nap lul

[@Veggum]

Why cut out the gameplay... TF is this.

[@mishka300]

Because only deviants try and make money off of another person's work. /s Honestly, NoDuckingClue.

[@fmmveatsa8608]

remember when the liberal molotov made a pact with the fascist ribbentrop?

[@Sam-qz1jh]

Why do you think that was buddy

[@quatreraberbawinner2628]

I think anarchists have the best critique of capitalism, but I'm not entirely sold on the dream of a an entirely egalitarian, non hierarchical society, it works as a framework maybe I like emericam johnson, his videos are usually better Edit: 3:00 the soviet union signed the non aggression pack after begging the west for help, and being ignored

[@beejcarson]

If only they hadn’t executed the czar, then the democratic government that followed, gulag people and let Ukraine starve

[@quatreraberbawinner2628]

@@beejcarson if only the U.S had delivered the economic aid they had promised after the soviet union defeated nazi germany nearly single handedly

[@beejcarson]

​@@quatreraberbawinner2628 if only the Soviets hadn't started gulaging and murdering anyone who didn't agree with them in every country the red army 'liberated' while the war was still on going, the US might have though giving them economic aid would have done something other than enabling more gulaging and murder

[@quatreraberbawinner2628]

@@beejcarson or maybe they were just looking for a boogie man so they could institute their own neo liberal hegemony, whose to say I wasnt there

[@beejcarson]

@@quatreraberbawinner2628 systamtic gulaging and murdering anyone who doesn't agree with you sounds like something more than just a boogie man, whose to say I wasn't there

[@brendandevlin4165]

That point about socialism's inability to defend itself as a point in favour of capitalism is super dumb. Would capitalist countries as poor as Vietnam be able to defend themselves if the richest, most powerful countries in the world constantly worked to destroy their system? No. It's not a matter of the system, it's about the level of economic development and the resources at these countries' disposal relative to the US and company. This point only makes sense if you ignore the history of capitalist powers enriching themselves by de-developing the colonies over the past few centuries, well before the latter ever tried socialism.

[@TheKilogram1000]

The guy at 5:33 looks and sounds like Adam Eget on the Norm Macdonald show.

[@browk2512]

I was on board until destiny started saying pinochet and the cia had nothing to do with one another.

[@partychairman5882]

destiny lets his hatred of communism keep him from knowing any leftist history

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

The re-education camps video is unironically some 1984 shit. It's like "Oh no, this isn't the Ministry of Torture and Death, this is the Ministry of Love, where we torture and kill people."

[@shahnawazsherwani947]

the background music is ocarina of time's title theme right?

[@mrgreenguy5193]

Does anyone know what his new twitter is?

[@note4note804]

Really makes sense why this guy is called NonCompete, because the only way his notions would survive in the marketplace of ideas is if it was a monopoly.

[@basedcentrist3056]

Fascism was actually born out of socialism. Mussolini was a scholar of Marxism. This is why they seem indistinguishable at times. Most people just don't know their history. Nazism is also socialism, TIK did an amazing 5 hour video proving this with a plethora of primary historic sources

[@MrBassmasta92]

Beginning song is "Time moves slow" by BADBADNOTGOOD

[@murasasme]

Regarding Pinochet's rise to power, the CIA concluded in a report issued in 2000 that: "The CIA actively supported the military junta after the overthrow of Allende but did not assist Pinochet to assume the Presidency." However, the 2000 report also stated that: "The major CIA effort against Allende came earlier in 1970 in the failed attempt to block his election and accession to the Presidency. Nonetheless, the U.S. Administration's long-standing hostility to Allende and its past encouragement of a military coup against him were well known among Chilean coup plotters who eventually took activities of their own to oust him." Taken from Wikipedia, I don't know if you meant to say they didn't have a direct relationship which seems to be true, but the CIA helped Pinochet interests and vice versa.

[@freyjaplaysgames3293]

I'm so glad there's someone on YT that is my brand of being on the left. Thank you destiny for being the centering force of the moderate left. Much love to you & yours!

[@noahscheffey5636]

Ironically, what you think is moderate left is still further left than what center actually is. You know how I know that? Because you guys think Tim Pool is a conservative and you call anyone right of center fascist. You aren’t the voice of reason you think you are.

[@user-wu1us1yh3n]

@@noahscheffey5636 i know this is not related to the topic, but do you believe that trump actually won the election?

[@freddydrongo4612]

@@noahscheffey5636 I think Tim Pool said he was voting for Trump? (He is not fascist for mine) but I don't think he is left wing either... I like policies like: a base level of health care for all, a progressive tax system and the right of workers to collectively bargain... are these moderate left policies? please describe or link the moderate left as I am keen to learn more, also apologies if I am miss quoting Tim Pool, I only catch some of his stuff. Cheers

[@angeltonny1746]

Sounds a bit worrying. You shouldn’t be watching channels because you want to be circle jerked.

[@angeltonny1746]

@@noahscheffey5636 Also, Tim Pool isn’t a centrist just because he says he is. It’s like saying Vaush or [redacted] from [redacted] are centrists...

[@kevlon_]

I guess I'm a fascist now?

[@wetbubbles1538]

Don’t feel bad man. Anyone to the right of joeseph Stalin is a fascist :)

[@Gametastica]

@@wetbubbles1538 stalin was a fascist, further left

[@wetbubbles1538]

How about the smurfs? They’ve been living under pure communism all of their lives and they seem pretty peaceful.

[@ubiguy2137]

This guy is somehow worse than Vaush. Like this guy must be insane. I fail to believe that someone in this world could be this malinformed and unintelligent. Either he's just a massive troll, or I guess that's just the sort of level of thinking usually present at the extremes. This guy makes flat earthers seem somewhat rational.

[@browk2512]

Most fascists aren't anticorporate holy shit